Piers Morgan Uncensored - “DISGRACE!” Piers Morgan SLAMS Travel YouTubers Promoting ‘Taliban Tourism’

Episode Date: July 15, 2025

Taliban-linked social media accounts have been amplifying a promotional video which aims to persuade US tourists to swap Cancun for Kabul. However, the US State Department and the UK’s Foreign Office advise people to not travel to Afghanistan, under any circumstances.And now a rising number of adventurous content creators have posted videos showing themselves visiting and breaking bread with extremists. So, is tourism really a viable means of reviving a desolate economy in a country scarred by decades of war? Or is it just whitewashing an evil regime that mistreats women appallingly? Piers Morgan and Sky News presenter Yalda Hakim take on YouTubers Arab, Nolan Saumure (Seal On Tour) and Harry Jaggard, who have all garnered millions of views from uploading videos of themselves smiling with the radicalised in Afghanistan. Piers Morgan Uncensored is proudly independent and supported by: Incogni: Take your personal data back with Incogni! Get 60% off an annual plan at https://incogni.com/PIERS and use code PIERS at checkout. Ridge Wallet: Upgrade your wallet today! Get 10% Off @Ridge with code PIERS at https://www.Ridge.com/PIERS #Ridgepod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We have one message for Amrariqa. Welcome to Afghanistan. Women are out in the streets. They're out and about. We have more rights than men. While earth would you peddle such delusional, disingenuous crap to the world? It's easy to look at it from just a single perspective.

What did you see that you broadcast to the world on your channel? The women were very happy from what we saw. In their family homes? In their family homes, yeah. But you've been. Have I been? Women being happy, being locked up in their homes in Afghanistan. One of the reasons I became a journalist.

I find it quite emotional listening. Now the tide of journalism is changing. You're not doing journalism, Arab. Do me a bloody favour, mate. The attitude of these tally bros. I don't agree with any of these things, of course. Oh, boy, you're at Ballerbro and you put women in cages, don't you? Didn't you say to a young girl back in your cage in one of your...

clearly sarcasm. Are you opposed to the radicalization of young children? Of course. This is from your trip entitled, The Young Taliban, Train Me for War. The U.S. State Department and the UK's Foreign Office could not be clearer. Do not travel to Afghanistan for any reason.

Ever since the disastrous U.S. withdrawal, media coverage is understandably focused on the rapid rollback of rights and the atrocious plight of women under Taliban rule. The Taliban, however, thinks we've got it all wrong. Taliban-linked social media accounts have been amplifying this promotional video which aims to persuade U.S. tourists to swap Cancun for Kabul. We have one message for America. Welcome to Afghanistan.

No, American souvenir. Oh, it's not even on safety right now. 10 pound wrong and fat. Probably worth reminding ourselves as we watch that promo video. It's now 1,396 days since the Taliban banned teenage girls from going to school. And 936 days since the Taliban banned teenage girls from going to school. since the Taliban banned women from going to university. So is tourism really a viable means of reviving a desolate economy

in a country scarred by decades of war? Was it just whitewashing the Taliban, a rising number of adventurous content creators, dubbed Tally Bros, think it's the former? Well, joining me now is Yadahakeem, who's a presenter of the world on Sky News, and three YouTubers who've all spent time in Afghanistan. The Lebanese American Adventure traveler calls himself Arab,

the travel YouTuber, Harry Jagger. and the Canadian YouTuber Nolan Samyur for the channel Seal on Tour. Well, welcome to all of you. Let me start with you, Arab, if I may. Do you want to give us your actual name, or is that the name you prefer to use? I mean, I took over the word Arab across the majority of social media is by being called Arab, so I think that's a powerful responsibility and we'll go by that name. Okay, well, I want to play a clip that you gave the world.

Let's take a look at this. Big, big ass machine gun here. Holy! Follow me along this journey as I sit with suicide bombers, generals, scholars, and the protectors of Sharia law as they try to convert me to a jihadi warrior for the next seven, eight. I think it's time. Time for what? Pledge of legions, my friend. Pledge of Legion.

Are you ready? As I sleep in their homes by standing on my beliefs but respecting. the culture, I will put all biases aside to document the Taliban from a perspective of humanity and earn respect amongst its elders. Guys, this is not, this is insane. I'm surrounded by you. Women are out in the streets. They're out and about.

The whole they don't have rights thing here. We've just learned that they have more rights than men. Women can travel to. Women can travel to Afghanistan. And women will be safe if they travel to Afghanistan. So my question for you, Aaron, and I'd say this with all due respect, But why on earth would you peddle such delusional, disingenuous crap to the world, given the statistics I just read out to you?

Which, by the way, I only know those statistics because Yalda, who was born in Kabul, actually promotes these figures on a regular basis to update the world about what is actually happening to women there. So my question of you is, why be part of the Taliban's propaganda machine? What's in it for you? You know, it's easy to look at it from just a single perspective, but as travelers, as travel YouTubers, what we tend to do is we go to places and we try to see the humanity in it all in order to bridge a gap of peace through the humor, through the humanization, through being able to talk

to people from different cultures. If we constantly peddle the same sort of narratives that are always pushed on Western media, what then tends to happen is what you're seeing happen in the world right now, where everything is being bombed by everyone and everything. And that's not really what we want to do. Now, because of the power of the Internet and the ability to hold the entire universe in your hand, you have travel YouTubers spawning from all walks of life, influencers who are now using this little device to start documenting their lives.

and they're seeing that this whole news narrative that we've been pushed our entire lives is false because you attract what it is that you put out into the world. And so if you're going into these places and you are coming from a lens of coming to enjoy this place, experience it, etc., you'll get a completely different thing than if you're coming. So just to be clear, all right, sorry, just to interrupt me, but just to be clear, Did you see girls going to school? Did you see women going to university? Did you see women playing sport at representative level?

What did you see that you broadcast to the world on your channel? We did go to schools. We did go into family homes where the women were very happy from what we saw. In their family homes? In their family homes, yeah. They have a different society. Okay, maybe they're cultures. They wanted to go to school and university.

They don't want to. They're all quite happy. In many different places in the world, many women want many things, right? I'm just asking you, in your experience in Afghanistan, with the Taliban, your experience was women are quite happy to be stuck at home, unable to go to school or university. That's your takeaway from the Taliban regime. When you want to word it like that to sensationalize it.

It's true. It's actually true. Those are facts. Right, but you've been? Have I been? Yeah. No, but funnily enough, Yalda has. Let me bring Yanda in here. Yadda, just for those you don't know your story, I do,

but just very quickly summarize you were born in Kibbalt, what happened to you? Well, Piers, I find it sort of quite extraordinary, actually, and frankly, quite emotional listening to Arab or Addison, whatever you call yourself, speak there, about women being happy, being locked up in their homes in Afghanistan. One of the reasons I became a journalist is because, I, as a young girl growing up in Australia, and my family were pushed out of Afghanistan because of the Soviet invasion of the country, I saw what happened to young Afghan girls during Taliban 1.0. The fact that they weren't allowed to go to school, the fact that no one knew in the outside world. And you're absolutely right, Arab, when you talk about having mobile phones now where these things can be documented. So today's Taliban is, frankly, no different to the Taliban of the 1990s.

But the difference is we now know what they're doing. We can now document the fact that they aren't allowing girls to go to school. I myself come from a position of privilege because I was able to be educated in the West. My family raised me in Australia, and I became a journalist because one of the reasons was because of what I saw Afghan girls go through in Afghanistan. But the schick here for these people, peers,

and frankly, it is a schick. go to dangerous places and glorify what's going in there because going on there, and frankly, because it's not a hell hole they have to live in. Yeah, I mean, I just find it incredible, Aramette. You were surrounded by men, and you don't seem to understand what's actually happening there because they don't want you to understand,

or worse, you totally understand, but there's no money in it for you in telling the actual truth. The money is in being part of the Taliban. The money is in being part of the Taliban. propaganda machine. We've all got these guys wrong. They're the nicest people you'll ever meet. They gave me a nice meal. They took me to meet their women in the homes. Do you not understand that you've been used here? One thing that I've in common with Harry and Megan is that we all value privacy. If you've ever Googled your own name, discover bits of your

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No, since the beginning of time in media, there have been people that go to places. And now the tide of journalism is changing. Old journalism is no longer a thing. New journalism is going through. You're not doing journalism, Arrow. Do me a bloody favor, mate. You're not doing, you're not doing, you're not doing journalism. You're a travel PR for the Taliban.

I've been to the top favela leaders. Whoopi-doo. A journalist goes to Afghanistan, mate, and they report the truth. But the reality is that other journalists have never been able to reach these top levels. You're not a journalist. They're always come in with some sort of specific. I'm sure if I said to the Taliban, hey guys, what I'm going to do is come and say what a lovely place is and what nice guys you are and why the women all love to be at home and not at school and university or playing sport,

I'm sure they go, oh, that's great peers. Right. Come to our country and we'll take good care of you. Let me bring in... That's not what I said. Let me bring in Harry. Actually, you pretty much did say. I saw the video.

Harry, you're English. You went to Afghanistan in 2023. You say you found the Taliban to be shockingly friendly. Let's take a look, a clip of you there with a local Afghan child. What do they want to be when they're older? Uh-huh?

Mojahed. Oh, wow. He wants to be Majohet. I remember that word. Wow, amazing. I said the war is over. Does that mean the soldier? Yeah.

Oh, wow. Is he educated in normal other subjects? No. At the madrasa, they study on religion. No mathematics, no science. Nothing? No computer. So that's all they do.

They just read the crime all day. That's super interesting. Super interesting, and they were shockingly friendly. Didn't see many women there, Harry. Were they all being happy at home, or what was the deal? I felt like you've taken. a lot of content and you've just nitpicked like the only negative

interaction I've had. You posted it, not me. Yeah, but there was I thought three hours. I'm not here to post every single minute of content you've ever put up. I've chosen an example of something which a little bit like Arab, I think what the trouble is with you, Tali bros, which is a disgusting

term anyway, is that what you're doing, and you may not even realize it or maybe you do. Like I say, I don't know. Only you know your motivation. But you're going in there saying the Taliban is shockingly friendly. The Taliban are shockingly disgusting. They're one of the most repressive regimes, particularly for women, that we've ever seen. And it arguably second time round, they're worse than they were the first time round. And as a result, women are trapped in the home. They cannot go out.

They cannot go to school. They cannot go to university. They cannot represent their country at sport. The whole thing's a bloody disgrace. And there's you talibros dancing around with the Taliban, like this is all a bit of a party. Like it's all a bit of fun, Harry. So justify yourself. So if I was to not go to a country because I don't agree with some of the rules and regulations. What do you think you're a journalist or two or not? I'm not saying that. What do you think you are? You're interrupting me, Pierce.

So if I was to not travel... I'm a YouTube, I'm a content creator. Okay. I just travel and I document what I see. I went to Afghanistan with zero agenda. I'm not working for anyone. I work for myself, had zero agenda, and I filmed what I saw. And what I saw was they were nice to me.

Were they nice to me for a reason because I'm making contact? of course they were. I realise that. But I can only tell you what I saw. I can't tell you what was going on behind closed doors or anything. Do I agree with all their rules? Of course I don't. I've been to North Korea. Do I agree with their rules? Absolutely not. But I saw what I saw and I had a positive experience.

So am I going to tell you I had a negative experience? No. Well, tell me some negative things about the Taliban while I've got you. Of course I don't. I don't agree with how they treat women. Of course I don't. What do you think of the way they... What do you think of the way they treat women? Speaking as a Taliban.

I'm not going to not travel to Afghanistan because of that. Tell me what you really think of the way the Taliban treat women? Well, I didn't go to, I didn't go to Afghanistan. I'm not asking you right now. Tell me what you think of the way. It's not funny. So I wonder why you're laughing. I'm just challenging you to tell the truth.

Look at you all laughing. This isn't about all. I'll come to, no, no, no, in a moment. Just to be clear, none of this is funny. It might be funny to you. to and that's fine and you get your clicks and you make your money and you make your money propping up an evil regime. That's funny to you. It's not funny to me and it's not funny to Yalda who has run a foundation, a brilliant foundation for a long period of time helping poor young girls in

Afghanistan who are being repressed in the most shocking, disgusting manner. So let me again go to Yowda. Look, I just find this, the attitude of these tally bros almost offensive as offensive as the propaganda, they spew out. You are a Taliban, whether you like it or not. D'Alda, your response to Harry, who thinks the Taliban are an oldest, shockingly friendly to it. Well, the fact that they think they're friendly or they're laughing about this situation just shows the extreme privilege. You know, being a Westerner, frolicking around these places because you think you can,

frankly. And the women of these countries, and especially Afghanistan, in the 21st century, it is the only country on the planet that as a matter of policy, the de facto government has decided that girls and women should not go to school and should not go to university. The fact that they won't allow mothers to take their children to parks. But I'm glad you guys were having a good time. And as far as having access to the top aspect of the leadership of the Taliban, I have sat down with members of the Hakhani network,

one of the most brutal wings of the militant wings of the Taliban, where different points in the last 20 years when the Allied forces were in the country, they, at any given time, they would launch a suicide attack in the center of Kabul and kill up to 100 people. So the fact that you guys think maybe the country is now safe because the Taliban are no longer launching suicide attacks on the country, or you somehow think this is the culture of a country, the fact that they're repressing and oppressing women. And then you think it's actually funny when you talk about it is frankly a disgrace. Yeah, and Harry, let me just remind you, I don't know if you know this, but in November 22, the The Taliban announced a new slate of extreme laws, banned women from parks and gyms, reintroduced public flogging and executions.

Like I say, barred women from university grounds and tutoring centres, and stoning. We will flog the women. We will stone them to death in public, said the Taliban, supreme leader in an audio message issued in March 2024. I didn't see any of that in your YouTube content. I mean, did it not make the edit, or did you not want to look for that stuff? No, I... Again, not funny. Stonings aren't funny, so try and take it a bit more seriously.

I'm... You keep laughing as if it's all a big joke. No, I find it funny how an amazing country, there's 40 million people in Afghanistan, and obviously they don't all support the Taliban, and I absolutely do not support them, and I completely... I think the funny thing is, is that we're on the same page

in that I don't agree with any of these things, of course, but you're making it seem like I do agree with them. Oh, bro, you're a fallib, bro, and you put women in cages, don't you? Didn't you say to a young girl back in your cage in one of your... Like, clearly sarcathom. Like, it was so obviously sarcasm. It's not sarcastic for the... It's not funnier or sarcastic for the women who are literally in cages right now.

And women who are being stoned to death in Afghanistan probably don't share your glib sense of humor about it. Let me bring in Nolan. So, Nolan, you've got a slightly more nuanced text. thankfully let's play a clip of what you put up I'm gonna be honest and this is gonna come at no surprise but it's a complete sausage fest in here I got all these gentlemen surrounding me but never in my life have I been surrounded by women hello sir good to meet you I'm good hello sir well sir I'm gonna eat some hand sanitizer

his hand is getting a little touchy. Maybe we could go play some volleyball. I have like a huge team of people I could play volleyball with. Seal and his Legion of Doom. Oh my God. That was funny. I don't know why his friend hit him. I have a new name for my posse. It's a seal and his Legion of Doom.

Where are we going? Me and my Legion of Doom are going to go play volleyball. We're going to kick some ass because we just have numbers, you know? So let me ask you, No, Land. Clearly, very few women again. You know, do you understand that all of you guys in different ways are helping the Taliban with the content that you largely put up? Or are you prepared now, for example,

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I think you guys came down pretty hard on them. The fact of the matter is when you travel to Afghanistan, I know Harry and I know his content, and he just wanted to be a tourist, and he just wanted to document what the country is currently like. And when you're returning to Afghanistan, you can't avoid the Taliban. You're always going through Taliban checkpoints, and you're always being invited to talk and have tea with them.

Regardless, if you fundamentally disagree with their beliefs, which I personally do, it's unavoidable. Sorry, can you return to your original question? Well, would you happily condemn the Taliban regime now? No, and I didn't in my content. That's my point. That's my point. So you guys are getting used because it's impossible for any rational human being not to condemn the Taliban. I don't think, I think, I think Her in Arab, in certain circumstances when you travel in Afghanistan, you know, a lot of people try to travel to this country and be very apolitical.

It's hard to ignore what's going on there, but some people truly just want to see the beauty of this country. but regardless, you can't move through this country without meeting the Taliban, being involved, going through their checkpoints, even being invited to sit down and have tea with them. Right, but the reason you're not prepared to condemn the regime is I assume because you may want to go back there and you know what may happen to you if you do.

I was one of the only YouTubers who actually came forward and talked about the current state of women's rights. It wasn't the clip you just showed. But that was more me kind of having fun with the situation at hand with I have a hundred gentlemen following me. But there was many moments where I was in public spaces that women couldn't frequent. And I decided I wanted to comment on this. Okay. There are also many times, Pierce, in the content where I went to a women's market and sarcastically the same way she saw me say, get back in the cage.

I started wearing the burkas and laughing at how oppressed is the word that you would use. but how covered the women are and how they treat them. But you wouldn't show that clip. Okay, well, here's your chance. A little piece and then call us Talibros when that word isn't even for us. So do you condemn, you are known as the Talibros, whether you like it or not? Because if people think you're being used as a propaganda tool, and I can quite understand why.

I mean, I'll ask you, Arab, again, Arab, just to be clear, do you condemn the Taliban regime unreservedly? I don't go around the world and condemn people. Okay, great. And you've answered my question. Because of my job. No, no, you don't get a do-over. My job is to sit with some of the deadies.

You either condemn evil regimes or you don't. You've made your position clear. Your content is more important to you than telling them a truth. Much as I can about their personality. Sure. That's what I do. Let me help you with the personalities of a Taliban. They hate women.

All of that. Yeah, okay. Let me bring Yalda back in. Yalda, the terrible withdrawal under Joe Biden of American truth. We all watched it on furlorn on television, but it had an instant and cataclysmically bad impact, particularly for women in Afghanistan, didn't it? Yeah, absolutely.

You quoted the numbers there, peers, 1,400 days almost since Afghan girls over the age of 12 haven't been able to go to school, almost 1,000 days since women haven't been able to go to universities. One by one, their rights were taken away. Women can't go to salons, for example. I talked about the fact that they can't even take their children to the park. I've traveled, as I said, to Afghanistan multiple times across the country, down to Kandahar,

been to madruses where young boys were being radicalized. I've gone on an ISIS raid with the Taliban, where they were going after ISIS suicide bombers. But frankly, this is still an incredibly dangerous country. And as you say, there is a reason why the State Department, the FCDO, has put a travel ban on the country. So the fact that these guys are going there and glorifying the situation and not giving a full picture of frankly the dangers that so many women and girls and men who speak up against the Taliban continue to face and linger in prisons, detained and tortured,

if they come out and protest against these groups. But to sort of think it's funny that you tell little girls to go back into their cages when, frankly, in the next few years, they won't be able to go to school or they'll be subject to child marriage or they'll be subject to another form of oppression, you know, because you get a lot of clicks on your YouTube videos, you know, is something to think

about. Yeah, and Arab, I mean, just for the record, are you opposed to the radicalization of young children? Of course. Okay, let's watch a clip then. This is from your trip entitled, The Young Taliban Train Me for War. We're witnessing

a young Taliban Mujahideen class. This is crazy. And the Sheikh is about to lead them all. So get closer than, they'll start saying like, they'll start having Okay, okay. Okay. Okay.

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Wow, Wow, If I'm going to spin it's about it. If I'm trying to spin it's going to say it. That I'm not up around it. Hilarious, right, Arab? Actually, yeah. When I saw that with my own eyes,

I couldn't help but laugh because it was so funny how radical it was. Yeah, so you actually do just find it really funny that young kids get radicalized. How I've survived in the craziest place in the world is finding things funny. And this is the root of the problem with you, Arab, isn't it? Is it to you, it's all a bit of fun content.

But there you've got a bunch of young kids being radicalized to be killers. What I'm telling the world is that there is no point in invading this country because you can't win. All you can do is kill more people. Because invading this country, they start training at age six. They're not going to lose because they believe they're fighting for God. And so what you're doing is you're sending U.S. soldiers or Western soldiers or whatever, and they're dying and you're killing people. So what I'm doing with my content through the humor

is showing you that it's literally this fucking crazy. Actually, you know what? Had you had this tone, had you had this tone in that clip, very different? How am I going to have that sounded that concerned and that angry and that impassioned? That's one thing. But you don't know.

There ain't no money in you being a proper journalist. The money comes to you laughing. That you're training these kids. The money is just, isn't this funny? Isn't this funny? Under Taliban in front of me, hey, guys, come on. Sorry, when I went to southern Afghanistan to Kandahar, and I went to a madrasa where children were being radicalized,

I took them on. And I was thrown out of there with these little kids about six or seven years old, chasing me down the street with pebbles. So if you want to be a journalist, you've got to ask the tough questions. And you do have to take those risks and ask the questions and confirm. front them rather than say, how can I ask these questions in front of these Taliban with guns? Well, you know, I did that. So if you want to be a journalist, they're the sorts of risks you have to take. If you want to give a full picture to the world.

Does it hit the current generation? My way of talking does. That's why it does hundreds of millions of views. And that right there, right there is the problem. And that's the problem. It's why so many young people have a such a chronically ill-informed view of the world. Because you, You've got clowns like you laughing on your YouTube channel about kids being radicalized. And you have the audacity to criticize someone like Yalda is one of the best correspondents and now anchors in the country, right? Who's actually born there and been there many times. And you have the audacity to say no one cares about the way you report this. That's the problem.

You're telling us that we have an ill-informed view of the world. when we've literally traveled the world and our sole job is to survive through talking to people in different languages, cultures, different societies, and actually surviving with them in a new place that might be completely dangerous in the unknown that we have no idea and we've come out completely untouched, all of us. Yeah, but when journalists like you, who call yourself, when people call themselves,

and rather you get your view of the world from being in a studio, reading statistics off a screen, we actually experience it. Oh, really? You went there for 10 days, Arab, you know, and that's your perspective of Afghanistan, a 10-day travel blog, you know, with the Taliban. And guess what happened?

And guess what happened in those 10 days off-camera? Every night I sat with 20 Taliban generals and suicide bombers and they tried to convert me. And you know what they told me every time they tried to convert me? they said, hey, although we want you to be a Muslim, you're a guest in our country, and that is more important than anything. And so we want you to know that you're safe in this.

I wish they'd say that to the women of Afghanistan. I wish they'd allow the women of Afghanistan to travel across the country without a male chaperone. Some women can't in certain villages in Afghanistan, according to the Taliban's new edicts, can't travel 70 kilometers without a male chaperone. I wish they'd afforded the same luxury to the women. Let me ask, Harry, is anything that Yowda's been saying made you think harder about this?

Yeah, of course. No, I think it's very important what she's talking about. And I think what you're talking about is very important. But I think we're missing the point is that I didn't travel to Afghanistan to, to like, chill out with the Taliban and, like, become friends with them. It was obviously, because you see them every day, you have to see them every day. so you spend time with them naturally. But the point of going to Afghanistan was to see the people of Afghanistan

show the side, the history, the culture. Of course, there were parts where I had to integrate the Taliban and everyone, like you're making this show about, everyone wants to know about the Taliban. So it did become a part of the YouTube video, but that wasn't the focus. And that's not that, you know, I went to North Korea. Like, do I agree with their politics?

Of course not. Okay. And final word to you, Nolan. Has anything Yalda said made you rethink perhaps the way that YouTubers approached this kind of issue? What I'd like to say is that I respect all journalists and all form of journalists. And I do think what Arab did is something that no network could achieve. Arab inserted himself into certain situations that you couldn't do with the news network. and I think he provided footage that has never been seen by the world.

Real candid conversations, yeah, that no one has ever heard. And I think it's only possible by kind of low-key YouTubers that aren't part of a network. Regardless if he fundamentally disagrees with them or he doesn't support him, I do think that he definitely went in there and he definitely came out with footage that, no, the world hasn't seen. That's true. That's true. Definitely, I hadn't seen people laughing at young kids

being radicalized like that. So that was definitely true. I hadn't seen that before. It's so wild, Pierce, it's funny. Actually, you know what? If you can't show that, because your stance on the show has to be that you're angry and... No, no, no, I don't...

I spend a lot of time very happy, Before I did this segment, England just won a big cricket match. I was thrilled. You know who couldn't take part in that cricket match? Afghani women couldn't play cricket for their country. They're not allowed to. They're banned. So there's no joy for Afghani women

who want to celebrate a cricket match because they're not allowed to play cricket. That's why it's not funny. And that's why you'll glib constant hilarity about all this. Jaws with me. And that's why I don't think you're a journalist. You're a YouTuber. You're making a lot of money.

You're getting a lot of clicks. And what you're doing is being used. whether you know it or not, either Taliban as an arm of their propaganda. And if you're comfortable with that, that's fine. Yadha, final word to you. You're the founder of the Yalda Hakim Foundation. It supports education for disadvantaged Afghan girls. Is there any hope, do you think, in the short to midterm for these girls?

You know, Piers, Afghan women and girls are ultimately incredibly resilient. And I went and saw a number of secret schools that they're operating, you know, with the threat, facing the threat of civil. punishment if they are discovered. And you realize, actually, they survived the first Taliban regime, and their resilience, their strength, they will continue to persevere and fight for their rights, regardless of what the YouTubers think is funny or not. So I do have hope, no matter what happens in Afghanistan next.

Great to have you, Yadda, on Unsensit. And thank you to the three gentlemen for coming on Uncensored 2. I appreciate it. I just hope next time you go, you just take on board some of the... the things that we've discussed here, and there's a little bit more edge to your journalistic work. Thank you very much. Thank you. Piers Morgan Unsensit is proudly independent.

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