Piers Morgan Uncensored - "Do You Just HATE Muslims?!" Piers Morgan vs Randy Fine + Mehdi Hasan

Episode Date: February 19, 2026

Congressman Randy Fine incited rage online this week when he posted to X indicating that he’d choose dogs over Muslims. Gavin Newsom called him a “racist slob” and Megyn Kelly a pathetic, sweaty bigot. He joins Piers Morgan to discuss what he meant by the comments and whether he stands by then. Then, editor in chief of Zeteo News Mehdi Hasan joins Piers to give his reaction to Randy Fine’s interview before discussing the latest developments in the Epstein scandal, AOC’s Taiwan word salad, the midterms and why for him TDS means Trump DENIAL Syndrome! Piers Morgan Uncensored is proudly independent and supported by: Oxford Natural: To watch their full stories, scan the QR code on your screen or visit https://oxfordnatural.com/piers/ to get 70% off your first order when you use code PIERS. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I have to choose between having dogs which are part of the fabric of the United States and a group of people who want to come here and say, I can't have them. They can go home. Sharia is coming and I'm simply saying we aren't going to put up with you. Do you basically just hate Muslims? This is the Republican Party of today. It's a far-right fascistic, white supremacist party. Should the U.S. actually commit U.S. troops to defend Taiwan?

I think that we are moving in all of our positions to avoid for that question to even arise. Donald Trump's sentences make AOC look like the most eloquent woman in history. But one of the reasons Donald Trump got reelected is that you guys have got literally Trump derangement syndrome. You have TDSP, you have Trump denial syndrome. Congressman Randy Fine has become a bet noir for those who believe that Israel has undue influence on American politics. It's not only the fact that he supports Israel, which they don't like, but rather the way that he does. A post by the congressman on X this week stating that he chose dogs over Muslims drew a ferocious backlash from across the aisle. Gavin Newsom called him a racist slob.

Megan Kelly, the conservative commentator, said he was a pathetic sweaty bigot. Well, here to justify what he did is Randy Finder, Republican Congressman in Florida. Congressman, welcome back to Uncensored. Thanks, Pierce. Thanks for having me. So it takes quite something to unite Gavin Newsom and Megan Kelly. And what it was was what you posted on X. You said

if they force us to choose, the choice between dogs and Muslims is not a difficult one. To which I responded to you when I read that, you disgusting prick. To which you responded, Piz, what is disgusting is a major

New York City Muslim leader saying we must give up our dogs because NYC is coming to Islam. We will not be shamed. into being conquered like the Europeans. I choose my dog. And you said, I know my first appearance on your show didn't go well for you,

but if you want to try again, I'm happy to administer another beating, which I'm very pleased to see that you've decided to do that again, me now having recovered from the first one. The comment you were responding to was by someone who'd been on my show a few times, Nardine Kiswai.

She's the co-founder of the pro-Palestinian group within our lifetime. She wrote this, Finally, NYC is coming to Islam. Dogs definitely have a place in society, just not as indoor pets. Like we've said all along, they are unclean. She later clarified, also clearly trying to weigh in on an issue unaware of the current NYC discourse,

where we're collectively jokingly hating on dogs, given all the visible dog shit in the unmelted snow laughing my ass off, followed by lashing my ass off at the Zionist frothing at the mouth of this, thinking they're doing something. It's obviously a joke. I don't care if you have a dog. I do care if your dog is shitting everywhere and you're not cleaning it.

So she says she made a glib comment, which is intended as a joke. I certainly read it that way. But your response, the reason it enraged people so much, was just so brazenly bigoted. You made no attempt to even hide it. The choice between dogs and Muslims

is not a difficult one. Explain what, what possessed you to do that? Well, thanks, Pierce. First, I would sort of clarify what's actually occurred here. That woman made that comment. There was nothing funny. There was nothing sarcastic about it.

It said, finally, Islam is coming to New York. Dogs are unclean, and we should not have dogs as indoor pets. No reasonable interpretation could find that funny. Several days later, after millions of people had seen it, she tried to backtrack by saying that it was a joke. And my response was clearly in response to that. And you left out the important part of it. I said, if they force us to choose, I don't want to choose. If Muslims want to be in the United

States and they want to practice their religion and go to mosque, that's great. But if they make us choose, as this woman would like us to, between owning a dog and having our neighbors say, you can't have a dog, the choice is not a difficult one, I think, for me and the overwhelming majority of Americans. I think that's simple. I don't. I don't know how in this country, that's exactly what I said. I don't know how in this country we reach the point where not only do we have to let people come here, but we then have to change how we live in order to make them happy. I don't agree with that, and I'm not ashamed of saying it.

But you see, if only you had phrased yourself exactly how you've just phrased yourself, it wouldn't have caused half the outrage it caused, because you qualify it by saying Muslims, Muslims who hate, Well, no, you just qualified it by saying something you didn't actually say. You said Muslims, you hate dogs or whatever, you qualified it. Actually, what you tweeted, and I'll repeat the whole thing in full, if they force us to choose, the choice between dogs and Muslims is not a difficult one. As Alexandra Orcazio-Cortez said about what you said, this is genuinely one of the most disgusting statements I've ever seen issued by an American official.

It should not stop shocking us that the Republican Party openly embracing, is this. Fine should be censored and stripped of committees. To ignore this is to accept and normalize it. Gavin Newsom, California governor said, resign now you racist. You read Gavin Newsom's comment already, Pierce. I think you've read it three times now. Look. Okay. But let me say that. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on one second. Let me just finish my point. Rocahanna said we must call this what it is, disgusting bigotry. Fine must be censored. It's about morality and decency, not politics. But then crucially, as I said earlier, Megan Kelly, who is a prominent conservative commentator. I understand.

You would never normally... Hang on. Hang on. No, I'm going to read her whole quote. Somebody you would never normally stand behind any of those three people said, what I figured out, you pathetic, sweaty man, is when an idiot Muslim says no dogs in NYC, instead of attacking the person or the policy, you went full bigot. Fuck off, she said. Now, that's the truth.

It's the way you phrase, what you posted gave no equivocation, no clarification, no qualification, no qualification. You simply said dogs against Muslims, gosh. I know it's your show and I try to be respectful, but I'd like a chance to speak. What you didn't do is in my post, I immediately posted the comment that I was responding to. So the context was there and it was obvious for anyone who wanted to read it. The comments not being made out of the blue. I'd also note, I'm not saying that Muslim or dogs are better than one or the other. I'm saying if you give me the choice

where I can only have one, if you're going to tell me I have to change how I live, I choose to tell you to go home. And look, if people are upset about it, that's up to them, but the point remains true. I don't want to make that choice. And look, these people can lose their minds.

AOC can go to Germany. So let me ask you this. You know, so I just a bunch of gibber. All right. So let me ask you this. What religion do you practice? I am Jewish and I would note this. I do not expect people to change how they live because I am part of a religious minority. I don't. Fine, fine. Okay. So would you say the same thing? If somebody posted if they force us to choose, the choice between dogs and Jews is not a difficult one. How would you respond? That's a great question. Absolutely. Yes. But the different Here is that Jews are not asking people to give up their dogs. Jews don't eat pork,

but we don't tell people that they can't sell it. One of the things that people are learning through all of this is this dislike of dogs is not unique. This is a mainstream Islamic view. And I'm not criticizing it. Different religions like different animals. Hindus worship cows. Good for them. Muslims don't like dogs. That's okay. I'm not criticizing that. But they are the one's asking us to submit to their faith. And that's not okay in the United States of America. There are 57 countries where you can live under Sharia law. It's my job to make sure we don't become number 58. Where did anybody say that you had to do this? Make that post? I think you can make that argument.

No, no. That post doesn't say that. Where did anyone say who to do what? I'm sorry. Where have you got the entire Muslim population of billion people saying that the dogs all have to go. Where have I read that? Pierce, in Morocco, they're shooting 3 million dogs in order to get ready for the World Cup. In Judea and Samaria, a mayor paid $5 a dog for everyone that was hunted down.

The videos are out there. This is not, and again, I'm not criticizing it. You're allowed to not like an animal. If that's part of your faith, I'm not criticizing that part of it. In your own country, there have been articles and discussions about Muslims not wanting dogs in certain parts of it. They are allowed to not like dogs. That's fine. But what they're not allowed to do is to come to my country and tell me I can't have one.

And this woman is not unique in her views about that. It is important that we stand up and we speak to that place. Where did anybody say you couldn't have a dog? Her tweet specifically says, Islam is coming to New York City. Dogs are not clean. They should not be held as indoor pets. I mean, I think it's very clear what she is saying. And again, that is not a unique sentiment from many who share that faith.

So I'm just saying, come here. Live your life. Live in privacy. Hate dogs all you want. That's okay. Just don't tell me that I can't have one. Don't tell my constituents that I can't have one. Again, if I have to choose between having dogs, which are part of the fabric of the United States,

65% of households have one, and a group of people who want to come here and say, I can't have them. They can go home. Moving to America means that you are going to assimilate into America, not that you're going to make a change for you. Just to be clear, it was one Muslim who says she was joking, and it certainly read like a joke. No, no, no, no, no. And she didn't talk about...

Two days later. a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, she didn't talk about you or your dog or anybody else's dog, right? And you decide to respond by branding all two billion Muslims as people you would rather not have if it comes to a choice between dogs and them. Yeah, well, what I said again is if I, if a group of people says, we want to live in your country, but you can't. own a dog, which is again, what she said and what many said. Who said you can't own a dog? By the way, that's why 2.6 million people had seen the comment and lit her up before I said anything. My view on this is not unique. I don't have an outlandish view on this. This is what she said. And I'm simply saying, I want people in my country who want to assimilate into my country

that don't force it to change. And you should understand this. In your home country, having to make accommodations for groups of people. I saw the debate in parliament over whether cousin marriage should be allowed. If people want to move to the West, they should agree to live by Western standards, not make us change to the ones from where they came. If they want that, they can go home. And I'm not going to apologize for that. We never thought 25 years after 9-11 we'd be hearing the call to prayer in New York City. But we are now hearing that. This is coming. Sharia is coming, and I'm simply saying we aren't going to put up with it.

But anything that's practiced by Jews in New York City, which has more Jewish people living in it than any place outside of Tel Aviv, that's all fine. It's just anything to do with the Muslim faith. And by the way, I am not aware of Jews asking non-Jews to change how they live. When I was a kid and I went to Passover and I brought matzah because I couldn't eat bread,

I didn't expect the school cafeteria to give up bread for the eight days. If I don't want to work on Shabbat, I don't expect other people to do that. As Jews, we understand what it is like to live as a minority in a Christian world. And we're okay with it. That is America. Other people who come here with their own religions need to make the same choices. They need to respect where they come from, not force that place to submit. Today's show is sponsored by Oxford Natural, makers of the optimum day and optimum night all natural supplements.

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your first order. You're 70% off with the code peers. Last week you call for the denaturalization and deportation of New York's new Muslim mayor, Zahran Mamdani. You labeled him jihadi Mamdani. Do you have any evidence that he is a jihadi Islamic extremist who wants to commit acts of terrorism? Yeah, he campaigned with part of why this woman is so interesting. The woman he campaigned with advises him is the woman that you're speaking in general, who is responsible for globalized the antifada, college, college radicalism, and all of these other things. He won't say globalize the antifada is a bad thing. He stood up and he stood up and he He said that America needs to model its immigration policy off of the way Islam does it,

yet non-Muslims can't go to Mecca. I mean, it's crazy the sort of things that we're seeing in New York. And yeah, I actually think I've got a real issue with him as mayor. I don't think he was honest to become a citizen. I think he should be denaturalized and deported. And I've said that for a long time. Denaturalized and deported, because the Mamdani I've been listening to has been since he was elected mayor, talking in a very inclusive manner

about all people who want to live in New York. I've not heard a single jihadi sentiment come out of his mouth. In fact, quite the opposite. He's gone out of his way, for example, to try and mend a lot of the appalling bridges that have gone up between Jews and Muslims because of what's happening in Gaza, for example. That's all I've seen.

Are you... Are you kidding me? I'm not seen... I mean... Every single person... coming man. Every single person he appoints has the most horrific backgrounds, involvement with care, which has been designated a terrorist organization in Florida and Texas, saying the most horrific things. I'm astounded that you would make that statement. And again,

saying that he is not going to work with ICE because he wants to follow the precepts of Islam, which say non-Muslims can't go to Mecca. So I don't, how you could, even make that statement. It's an absurd one. Do you basically just hate Muslims? Not at all. Not in the least. I like radical Muslims. So there are Muslims who want to live in peace with us. Not every Muslim wants to take our dog away. Many come to America for freedom and opportunity. And I think that is fantastic. But I don't like those who want to come to our country and fundamentally change it. And by the way, I don't care if they're Muslim. I don't care if they're anything. If you want to come to the United States, you should love this place, share its values,

and want to be a part of it. You should, you should not demand that it's going to change to be you. But I have seen the most horrific things. October 7th radicalized me. Watching on October 7th, Muslims in Tampa, Florida have a rally celebrating while people were being killed, listening to voicemails of parents, of children, calling their parents, enjoy because they had shot and killed 10 people. I saw what aspects of this culture are capable of. That does not mean they are all like that. They are not. But the problem we have in the media is they categorize it as though it is this tiny teeny weeny fringe. It's not. It's meaningful. It's also not 100%. But it's also not 0.1%. And I think that we have to have these discussions. The examples are too great. The

Muslim mayor in Dearborn, who told a Christian preacher, you're no longer welcome in our city, the call to prayer in Minneapolis at 3.30 in the morning. I mean, these are not things that are simply okay in the United States. And I think we should say, come here, become part of us, don't come here and demand that we change. What percentage of Muslims do you think want to come and take your dogs away? I don't know the answer to that, but I do know there's polling that shows, for example, And by the way, my colleague, Brandon Gill did a spectacular job of walking through this data last week in a congressional hearing. There is a very large percentage of Muslims who supported Hamas, American Muslims, not forget the ones over there. There's a very large percentage of American Muslims who want to live under Sharia.

The fact that it's not 100% does not mean that it is not a problem. And it's also not 1%. These are meaningful percentages of people. who are demanding we submit to how they want to live. Again, if I have to choose between my dog and people who tell me I can't have it, the choice is very easy. And by the way, I think that is the view of 98% of Americans.

If Democrats want to take the, you're a bigot, if you're not okay with giving up your dog argument, then fine. We'll campaign on that all day. But I know that's not where the American people are. I think the reason you managed to inspire such revulsion across the aisle was because you didn't qualify that it was about Muslims who want to take away people's dogs.

It absolutely was, here. No, no, you just said, you just, but hang on, you just said Muslims in their entirety, two billion of them. And as Nadine pointed out to you afterwards, Christy Noam bragged about shooting her own dog, You may remember the story in her memoir She has a dog called cricket

And I don't think it's okay Who was apparently Well hang on Who was untrainable and dangerous She led the dog to a gravel pit And shot it It wasn't a pleasant job But it had to be done

Should she be deported I think you're conflating two things I don't think shooting a dog She shot a dog But Christy Noem is not telling me I have to shoot my dog That's the difference.

It's not that Christy Gnome doesn't like a dog. It's not that Nardine and so many others don't like dogs. It's that they are telling me, Islam is coming to New York City. You're not going to have a dog. And I don't want to shoot. All right. So just to be clear, if Christy Gnome was coming to New York City, you wouldn't be worried about a shooting everybody's dog.

You don't think you should get in first. Not in the least. No. And do I think she should have shot her dog? Of course I don't. But she's not saying, I demand everyone else shoot their dogs. That's what's happening.

You know the difference? No, the difference. That's not the difference. The difference is if Christie Nome was a Muslim, you'd want to deport it. Randy, fine. Thank you very much indeed for joining me. I appreciate it.

Thank you. Well, the botch release of the Epstein files has tested a patient to many of Trump's most law supporters. For his fiercest his critics, has been a field day. Medi Hassan, editor-in-chief of Zateo News, has broken world records for tweet per minute over the past few weeks.

on X, and he joins me now. Many, welcome back to Oncensored. Before we get to your world record burst on X, and I can understand why, by the way, just your response to Congressman Randy Fine, who basically

thinks that if it comes to a choice between dogs and Muslims, he'll choose dogs. You've heard his explanation. What did you make of it? I mean, it's a nonsense explanation, which, as you pointed out, he would never accept for any other minority group, including his own, including for Jewish people in the US. I'm glad you pushed him on his horrific bigotry,

although I would say that one thing that was missing from that interview was the context, right? Anyone watching Randy Find for the first time might think it was just this one tweet that we're debating. This man has a long history of bigotry peers, as you know. A day before, he tweeted about picking dogs over Muslims. He tweeted, Palestinian is a synonym for evil. All Palestinians are evil, according to him. In the past, he's called for the new king of Gaza. He said starve away when people have talked about Palestinian children starving. He cheered and celebrated on Twitter when someone sent him a picture of a dead Palestinian baby.

He said, thank you very much. The man is vile. He's racist. His rhetoric is genocidal. And he lied to you, Pear, when he said, I'm just against radical Muslims. He's, again, on record, go check his Twitter. He says, mainstream Islam is pure evil.

That means the Islam practiced by all 2 billion people around the world is evil. This is what he says. So this is the Republican Party of today, peers. I've been trying to tell you about it for the last two years on your show. It's a far-right, fascistic, white supremacist party. If Randy Fine said that about any other group, we would be saying that is Nazi rhetoric from the 1930s and 40s.

Well, I wouldn't judge the whole Republican Party board what Randy Fine says. I do think he's an outlier not on his own. Why haven't they called him out? They're complicit. But, Pierce, they're complicit. Well, they should. I agree, they should.

Silence is complicity. And when Meghan Kelly, never done anything to Randy Fathers. But when Megan, when Megan Kelly lined up to condemn him, that was a good thing, right? 100%. And she's a podcaster, though. The actual elected Republican Party and the president in the White House, your pal, won't say anything about this. And the problem is because they've all said similar Islamophobic things. It's not just Randy Fine. He mentioned his friend Brandon Gill, who also says ridiculously anti-Islamophobic things, calls for me to be deported, Mamdani to be deported. You have people like Andy Ogles who said horrific things about Islam and Muslim. So the rot is across the entire party, unfortunately. This party now has embraced Islamophobia and racism of all kinds, anti-Semitism, anti-Semitism, anti-Semitism, and anti-black racism we saw with the recent Trump post. It's a problem for the party as a whole.

Fine is just the most egregious, repulsive avatar of it. Let's turn to the Epstein files because it seems to me, this is, as I've said a few times recently, this is the biggest political and royal scandal of my lifetime and seems to be getting worse, not better as it goes on. It reminds me a bit of Watergate with bells on. Watergate began as a very slow burner, took a couple of years to really explode.

And you're seeing the same thing with the Epstein files. And you're seeing a lot of people hoisted by their own partard, by their own lies with all the documentary evidence coming out showing how they lied. Have you ever seen anything quite like this? And what do you feel about Attorney General Pam Bondi saying, that's it. You've had all the files, even though we know

there are many redactions in the ones that have been put out. some of them totally baffling. And we also know there are apparently a 3 million more files that they have no intention of releasing. Yes, without a shout over that, the biggest political scandal of my lifetime. I'm 46 years old.

You mentioned Watergate. I mean, Watergate in the US, the perfumo affair in the UK. These look like Walk in the Parks compared to what we're seeing recently and the number of powerful people globally have been caught up in this. A United Nations panel of experts this week,

Peers said this could amount to a crime against humanity. Just what we've learned from the redactors, files. They talk about it being a global criminal enterprise that is systematically engaged in the trafficking of young girls and women. And yet you have Cash Patel, the direct to the FBI, going in front of Congress last year, peers, and saying, there's no evidence Epstein trafficked anyone, right? That's what he said on growth in front of the Senate. You have Pam Bondi, as you say, saying that's it, no more, her deputy saying nothing else to be seen. We know that Donald

Trump's name, thanks to Jamie Raskin, Congressman, who went and looked in the files underdacted, he says he saw a million references in his searches to Donald Trump. According to New York, times in the redacted files, we have 38,000 references to Donald Trump, his wife, Mar-a-Lago. So that's 96% of the mentions of Trump are missing from what you and I can see. That's a huge scandal. Richard Nixon was, you know, organizing a burglary at the Democratic National Committee headquarters. Donald Trump is accused in these files. I want to be clear, he's a very litigious man.

There's no evidence of criminality on Donald Trump's part. But there are accusations from people the FBI interviewed in the files, claiming all sorts of things about Donald Trump having allegedly done sex acts with children, assaulted children, threatened children. We have no idea if they're true or not. I have no evidence to say they're true. But shouldn't they be investigated? Well, hang on. Hang on. This is where you have to be careful. Well, hang on. This is where you have to be careful because we do because in the more extreme cases like that, they've been investigated and they've been ruled out as fantasy staff or people trying to be malicious or whatever it may be. Not all of them peers. Actually, everything in relation to

I agree with you. Well, no, everything in relation to Trump that involved alleged criminality has been ruled out. And the reason I'm comfortable in saying that is I interviewed David Boyes yesterday. He was Virginia Giffrae's lawyer, one of the top criminal lawyers in modern American history. He's looked at everything and he says there's nothing criminal against Trump. But I do think it's important to say that. I don't think his motivation, Trump, in trying to shut this down, is about himself. I think it's actually about a lot of people he knows.

knows. Well, I agree with that. And he told Marjorie Taylor Green, according to MTG, that you're going to hurt my friends, which in itself is a massive scandal. I think you would agree if he is covering up for rich and powerful friends. We know how many Trump people are in the files in very awkward positions lying about their relationships from Elon Musk to Howard Lutnik, Mehmet Oz, that's why Thomas Massey is now calling this the Epstein administration. But just on Trump, I just want to mention a couple of things. I just brought this along just to remind myself, Donald Trump traveled on Epstein's private jet many more times. that has previously been reported or that we were aware. That's an email from one of his own DOJ lawyers in 2020. Trump lied, Piers, when he said he never went on the plane. He went on the plane eight times. We know, for example, that Epstein wrote in 2011, Donald Trump spent hours at my house with a victim. He referred to Trump being at his house as the dog that hasn't barked.

He said in 2019, Trump knew about the girls. Now, he could be lying Epstein. He's a horrible convicted sex offender. But the point is, we've not had full investigations. The media has barely touched this, Pete. There's been a lot of coverage of Prince Andrew and Teal and Elon Musk and Reid Hoffman and all sorts of people. Katie Couric, there hasn't actually been that much coverage of Donald Trump's own relationship with Epstein as much as they should have been. If this was any other president or politician, this would be a huge scandal.

And I agree with you on the kind of we haven't got evidence of criminality, but I just want to show this is in the Epstein files, right? This is page 21. This is a 21 page FBI PowerPoint presentation. This is the page they have from last summer called Prominent names. Donald Trump's at the top with two allegations in there. I'm not saying those are proven allegations, but the idea that we as a media that the American public is not even familiar with those allegations, I think we need to be talking much more about what a huge scandal this is and how many lies have been told by the people in power, not just Donald Trump.

And I know Bill Clinton is going to have his day to talk about what were his relationships with Epstein as well. Peers, I'll say this. One last point. I no longer can just laugh at people who come up with conspiracy theories anymore. I can't. I used to be very dismissive of conspiracy theories. No, I agree. I said this.

We have seen the lies in the cover up. Do you know what? I said the other day, I would literally now be prepared to believe any conspiracy theory relating to the Epstein scandal. Because so much of it is actually coming true. Who the hell knows, right? I mean, I just think the idea... Although you're quick to defend your pal Donald Trump, who was close to him. No, no. I'm only quick to defend him about one part of this, which is there's a lot of stuff in those files that is clearly fantastical, malicious and was investigated.

and immediately ruled out because... No, no, I agree. I agree. But there's no... How do we know? There's been no evidence. The full extent of this. Well, it's a perfectly valid point. Agreed. But there hasn't been a full investigation. But there hasn't been a full investigation.

I agree with that, you would agree with that, Pierce. And I'm with you. You have Cash Patel and Pam Bondi shutting it down. Why is a direct to the FBI and the Attorney General to shut it down? Medi, you're preaching to the choir. I've been saying the same thing. I love it when we agree. I love it when we agree, peers.

I always feel a... I always feel a... I always feel a bit disconcerted, but me agree. Let's talk about something else. It's interesting because let's assume a scenario here, which plays out. I said on my show on Monday, we were talking about the polling for Trump and the midterms coming up pretty soon now, all right? We're nearly in March.

You've got midterms in November. It is highly likely the way things are looking that the Republicans will get a big beating in the midterms and there's something extraordinary happens, which it might, but if they do and they lose control of the House, then any president in that position pretty much becomes a lame duck president. And if that happens, it's a free-for-all for what happens next, both amongst his own party and, of course, the Democrats. The Democrats don't really have yet, to me,

anyone clearly coming through in the way that Bill Clinton did or Barack Obama did, which is a massive problem for the party. One of their leading lights is Alexandria Ocasio, Cortez. And I watched this clip of her. She went down to the Munich conference, I think, to sort of show her global, you know, aspirations and how smart she was and so on. And ended up getting pretty well ridiculed for a few things. But one of which was her explanation when she was asked by a friend of mine, actually, would and should the US commit troops to defend Taiwan if China were to move? And she said this. Would and should the U.S. actually commit U.S. troops to defend Taiwan if China were to move?

You know, I think that this is such a, you know, I think that this is a, you know, I think that this is a, this is, of course, a very longstanding policy of the United States. And I think, think what we are hoping for is that we want to make sure that we never get to that point. And we want to make sure that we are moving in all of our economic research and our global positions to avoid any such confrontation and for that question to even arise. Now, if Donald Trump had come out with that, you'd have gone, what the fuck is he talking about? That is a load of gibberish word salad nonsense. So in the cause of intellectual honesty, Medea, Sam, would you say that what we just heard was a loaded gibberish word salad nonsense?

No, I think what we heard was not her finest hour in terms of articulating an answer on a very complicated subject. I was awkward watching that. It's obviously not great to Amonah for 20 seconds. I wrote a book about public speaking. You know that I've addressed these issues and people who do public speaking. It wasn't a great moment for her. But the idea that that summed up her presence at Munich is actually, but I would question the premise of your entire discussion.

You just played a clip from an account. I noticed where you played it from. It's a well-known right-wing-bagger Twitter account. The right of very good peers. Aided and abetted sometimes by your good self in pushing narratives about democratic politicians to brand them. What is it matter where it came from?

They did it to... It does because, for example, she gave fantastic answers on inequality, on Gaza, on authoritarianism. She spoke to a packed crowd in Berlin the next day. She met with the SPD. She met with the Farley. No one mentions any of that.

Instead, everyone in the US media is talking about this because the right wants you to talk about this. That's my first point, that this is a very manufactured narrative. And number two, it's not at all equivalent to Trump, Pierce. Trump could never say even half of what she said about Taiwan. Her answer, actually, at the end, which is we shouldn't get to that point, is actually the right answer. When Trump, I checked, because I knew you were going to ask me about this,

I checked before I came on air, Trump was asked about Taiwan a few months ago, and he couldn't answer a question. He said, it's a secret. I can't tell you what my position is. Well, that's much better. In fact, this week, Pierce, forget rhetoric. Do you know what Trump said about Taiwan? He told reporters on Monday that he's checking with the Chinese president before he sells arms to Taiwan. That goes against a 42-year longstanding U.S. policy on Taiwan that Ronald Reagan set up. Not me, Ronald Reagan set up.

So you can go on about AOC's 22nd U.Ming and I, which wasn't great for AOC, I admit. Or we can talk about the fact that Donald Trump has a very bad policy on Taiwan that goes against U.S. traditional national security policy. And we can talk about that Donald Trump's sentences make AOC look like the most eloquent woman in the United States. history. What are you talking about? Have you heard Donald Trump rant about shark attacks? About the size of Arnold Palmer's penis? About toilet flushing? AOC's never said anything like that. Donald Trump, hold on, I haven't finished. Don't you. Don't know. Did you play the clip of, did you play the clip in the interest of fairness and intellectual honesty, to quote you, did you play the clip of Donald Trump in Davos calling Greenland, Iceland again and again and again? He went to Davos and embarrassed himself, calling it Iceland. And by the way,

worse than calling it Iceland, he wants to invade Greenland. No Democrats has ever suggested anything as mad as going to war with Denmark as Donald Trump. So please don't come here and talk about gibberish and intellectual honesty. Your pal is the most deranged person to ever get close to any top office anywhere in the West. Do you know what? I haven't heard such a strident piece of apology since Comical Ali in the Iraq War when he was trying to explain why the Americans were not in. Everything I said was true and you can't dispute a word of it.

Did you play Donald Trump's clip at Davos? Did you play on this show? The Americans are not. On this show, on this show, Peters, did you play a clip of your pal, Donald Trump, saying Greenland is Iceland? Yes or no? Medi, yes, multiple times. And more than that, I interviewed the prime minister.

Wait a me, yes, and more than that, I interviewed the prime minister of Greenland as well. Did you? So? So, what's that got to do with either? What's the matter with you? You have run cover for Donald Trump. Pierce, Pierce, do you agree, do you agree that Donald Trump? Trump is mad, nuts, deranged, and mentally unfit for office.

Do you agree with that? Do you agree with that or not? Why do you just say, Medi? It's a simple question, Pierce, people are watching. Do you agree that Donald Trump is mad, deranged, nuts, unfit for office? Because those are your words, Pierce. Those are your words.

When I come on your show, those are your words. When I come on your show, when I come on, you call Donald Trump, deranged, mad, time out. And nuts. When I, I know. And occasionally I think he is those things. you know, I've said it when I think he is. And when I think he deserves praise, I give him praise. My point is, though, that you're...

Overall, you're blinking about AOC. No, I think sometimes he's perfectly normal and lucid. Sometimes he does nutty things. Most of the time. Come on, Piers, this is a man who rants about shark attacks, who talked about Arnold Palmer's penis at a rally, who did an impression of someone doing oral sex on a microphone at a rally. There's been no president like this. I hate George W. Bush, but I would put George Bush, 100 times above Donald Trump in terms of intellectual and mental fitness for office. You cannot question any

Democrats intellectual fitness for office when you have supported this man, the most deranged man, your words, deranged mad, nuts man in office. Just to be clear. This is a man who couldn't find Taiwan on a map which his life dependent on it. Medi, Medi, here's the problem.

I'm afraid. Listen, you know I like you, I respect you and very much. You've built an amazing business with Zetaio. Congratulations. But one of the reasons Donald Trump got re-elected is that you guys have got literally Trump derangement syndrome. It plays into his hands. I prefer to be more even-handed with him. I prefer to praise him when he deserves it. And I prefer to whack him when he doesn't. When you're so blindly enraged by everything, including silly jokes, he says, you're so deranged about him. Actually, in the end,

you managed to achieve the unthinkable. You managed to help get Trump reelected. Hold on. Hold on. He got re-elected. with a bigger majority. So, do I get to speak? So, hold on. Let's just deal with a couple of things. The reason he got re-elected, I would argue, is the media gave him a pass.

People like you, I came on your show on the eve of his election, and you were telling me all sorts of things. Oh, don't call him a Nazi. Don't call him a fascist. Meanwhile, we have masked funds. He's not a Nazi. He's not a Nazi.

He's not a Nazi. He's not a Nazi. But I was right about his fascism. You were wrong about his fascism. I was right that he would try and stay in office in 2021. You were wrong about that. His people are shooting Americans. He didn't stay in office in.

in 2021. Everything that I said would happen in a second term. He didn't stay in office. And you said he was nuts for that. He's not a Nazi. And he's not a fascist. Oh, my God. Pierce, you in January 2021 accused him of trying to stay in office. You said he sent an armed mob to the capital.

You said he should be removed from office and never be president again. You change your tune once he got back to the presidency. I get that. That's fine. I've been right about everything I've said about Trump. And as for being Trump derangement syndrome, it's the very opposite. Even I didn't think he'd be trying to start a war with Denmark. Even I didn't think he'd be shooting Americans in the street

14 months into his presidency. Even I didn't think he'd be this corrupt on this level so openly. So in fact, he's been much worse than those of us who allegedly have TDSs. You have TDS, you have Trump denial syndrome. When I say to you is Trump racist, you say, no, he's not racist. Even though he calls Somali's low IQ, peers. Do you agree that Somali people are low IQ? Is that not the most racist thing?

Just to explain, Medi, just to explain, this is not your show. Do you think Somali's a low IQ peers? No, no. Medi, it's not your show. You don't get to interview me for half an hour. It's not your show. I think people are worried about your silent. When I haven't been silent about any of these things,

you should watch my show more. I criticise Trump calls Somali's low IQ. Is that not a Nazi thing to say? Is that, okay, not ask you a question. It's not a Nazi thing to say, no. I think, I think, yes it is, yes it is, white supremacist rhetoric to call black people garbage and low IQ.

The problem is, it's amazing that you're defending. Okay, Medi. Let's not talk at the same time. No, it's what I'm defending. When people like you on left keep calling Trump a Nazi or comparing him to Adolf Hitler, that is exactly what I'm talking about

about Trump derangement syndrome. It is so ridiculous, so offensive, so inaccurate. Adolf Hitler and the Nazis murdered 12 million people, including six million Jews in a Holocaust. There is zero comparison to be made. Then why are they pumping out Nazi propaganda from the DHS Twitter account? Why are they using literal Nazi themes and quoting Nazi books? Do you know that they're doing that?

Have you checked that out? Go check it out. I wrote about it. Why are they trying to... Has he murdered 12 million people? A man who says, why is he... That's not the definition of a Nazi. That means Nick Griffin's not a Nazi because he didn't murder.

You know perfectly well. You don't have to be Hitler to have Nazi views. These are Nazi views. When you put someone in front of Congress right now, they're trying to confirm someone to the State Department peers who says that we need to address the Jewish question. that Jews are victims, that white people are being erased? Are those not Nazi views? Are those not far-right views?

Are those not views you want to condemn? This is your friend. You say, Donald Trump is my friend. I'm asking you, Donald Trump, your friend, is friends with Epstein. Medi. Donald Trump, your friend, says Somalis are low IQ. I'd like you to condemn that.

Medi, Medi, I don't have to condemn it because I did condemn it when he said it. My team have just sent me the monologue the day after he said it about the Somalis. Do you want to hear what I said the next day? Sure. Did you call him a racist? But just as it's absurd and abhorrent to argue that every British Muslim man is a rapist, it's clearly wrong to say that every one of 116,000 Somalis in the US are thieves or low IQ. That's why many are unhappy with some of the rhetoric pouring from the White House. I did criticize it.

I don't hear the word racist there, Pierce. Do you don't think it's racist to call all but... You just... No, no, but you didn't call it racist. Of course you criticized it. Did you call it racist? You will refuse to use it. the R word I notice. I think absurd

and abhorrent says it all, Medi. You just didn't know I said it, did you? No, I don't think it does. I don't think it does. I think if you call all Somalis garbage and low IQ, I think that is white supremacist, I think that is racist. If you post a picture of the Obama's as apes, I think that's racist.

Okay, you're entitled to think that. Who do you think is going to be the Democrat nominee? No, no, Medi. Who do you think is going to be? I don't know. I don't do predictions anymore, Trump. In 2016, in 2016, I said there wouldn't be Brexit. Who in the Democratic ranks is impressing you? Who in the Democratic ranks is impressing you? Yes.

So Gavin Newsom impresses me because he's been very good at attacking Trump. I'm not impressed with all his policy positions, but I think he's been very strong in taking the fight to Donald Trump, which is what Democrats want from a leader. Democrats are fed up of having a spineless party. And I think the next nominee is not going to be about left or right. It's going to be who's a fighter and who's not a fighter. I think Newsom has done very well.

I think AOC is insanely popular with the Democratic Party. She's won over everyone across the Democratic political spectrum, center left, far left, everyone. I think she will be formidable. I think Ro Khanna is a progressive voice who's done so much good work on the Epstein Files, has won a lot of goodwill across the political spectrum. I think there's going to be a lot of strong candidates.

The question is going to be, you know, who are they going to go up against? Yeah, I think that's a really interesting question. It won't be Donald Trump, I can tell you that. It might be somebody else called Trump. We don't know that for sure. Who might fancy a run? We don't know that for sure. I'm not sure.

I'm not sure. I ruled out the idea that Donald Trump tries to stay on past 28. Of course. But my, you know, who I think is the most impressive operator of his whole team is actually Rubio. Yeah, I mean, Rubio rebranded himself very well. This is a man who once used to call Donald Trump a con man mocked Donald Trump's penis. Now he's a loyalist going to Munich to push the MAGA or what I call the mega message.

Now he went to Munich and said, let's make empire great again. Let's bring back empire. He was praising the empires of the past and saying the Europeans need to get on board with that. He then went to Hungary and endorsed Victor Orban, a man who he used to criticize. So Rubio's done a complete 180 like J.D. Vance. We'll see both of them are kind of fake

when it comes to their MAGA credentials. It'll be interesting to see if it is Rubio v. Vance, who the MAGA base believes is more of a believer, because neither of them were believers until about two minutes ago. The only reason I would like to see Donald Trump try and run again is purely to see your face. No other reason. I mean, my face would say,

see, peers, I was right again and you were wrong again. Have you ever been wrong about anything, Medi? Yeah, I was wrong when I said Donald Trump would win in 2016 and he won. Medi, I love arguing with you. Always good having an uncensored. Thank you very much. Thanks, Pierce. Pierce Morgan Uncensored is proudly independent.

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