Piers Morgan Uncensored - Does Trump Deserve Nobel Peace Prize? Plus Piers Morgan DESTROYS Democrat in Trans Row

Episode Date: October 14, 2025

President Trump’s historic role in ending the Hamas war has drawn plaudits from even his most embittered opponents, with even Hillary Clinton commending him for brokering peace. However, it hasn’t been enough for him to receive the Nobel Peace Prize - is it an accolade he’s deserving of, considering his close relationship with Netanyahu? Joining Piers Morgan to debate this and the Gaza situation is streamer Destiny in his first appearance in Uncensored’s London studios, plus YouTubers Brandon Tatum and Tara Palmeri, pro-Israel broadcaster Emily Austin and pro-Palestine activist Nerdeen Kiswani. Then, as the press just gets worse and worse for California governor runner Katie Porter, Piers is joined by two of her opponents, Republican Steve Hilton and California Democratic Party vice chair Betty Yee. However, the discussion takes a wild turn when Piers asks Yee her thoughts on trans athletes… Piers Morgan Uncensored is proudly independent and supported by: Ground News: Ground News: Go to https://groundnews.com/PIERS for 40% off the Vantage subscription and find the truth mainstream media doesn't want you to see. Oxford Natural: To watch their full stories, scan the QR code on your screen or visit https://oxfordnatural.com/piers/ to get 70% off your first order when you use code PIERS. Birch Gold: Visit https://birchgold.com/piers to get your free info kit on gold. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Person who actually got the Nobel Prize called me and said, I'm accepting this in honor of you because you really deserved it. He created a relationship with the Israeli prime minister that has that no other president has in decades. I have an idea. Mr. President, why don't you give him a pardon? I think Trump addressing the Kness just proves how absurd this whole conversation is. He bragged about moving the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem.

He rewarded Israel's illegal annexation. He praised Miriam Adelson while also calling her Israel first. Seems to me the MAGA base is increasingly anti-Israel. We see that with Tucker Carlson, with Candice Owens, and others. What's that about? Well, let me correct you on that. I don't think it's anti-Israel. A lot of it's anti-Semitic.

I mean, people are losing their minds. We're talking about giving the Nobel Peace Prize, hopefully, to a guy who is declaring war on his own cities. Destiny, you won. You have Trump's Arrangement Syndrome. Congratulations. So are you suggesting that you would allow trans athletes to compete in women's sport in the Olympics if you were governor?

Look, everyone is competing in a sport, and they come with abilities, and perhaps there could be kind of a different lead for them. I think we may just have seen another California Democrat candidate torpedoed their campaign for governor. I mean, extraordinary. President Trump's historic role in ending the Hamas War has drawn plaudits from even his most embittered opponents.

Hillary Clinton commended. Trump for brokering peace. President Obama was randomly criticized the failing to mention him in his long statement. Politics is turbulent and above all fickle. But history won't really have much to say about the daily squabbles. We spend so much energy debating. It will, however, vividly remember the remarkable scenes of the past few days in Israel and what may prove, and it's a big may to be the biggest deal of Trump's life.

So is it time for Trump's harshest critics to recognize that even their least favorite president, if not human being, is capable of doing. some good things. Is mutually lauding Netanyahu a good look including among the MAGA base? And does Trump deserve the Nobel Peace Prize? Join me to debate all this? It's from the Office Tatum podcast, Officer Tatum.

TV personality Emily Austin, host of the Tara Parmary show, Tara Parmary, and Nadine Kizwani, the activist in the Within Our Lifetime protest group. And here in the studio, making his debut in my studio here in London is the streamer, Destiny. Welcome to you. And welcome to all my guests

joining remotely. Well, Destiny, let me start with you, given you're here. I was watching it from early this morning, and it's very hard not to get caught up in the euphoria of the hostages being released, the families, their joy on the Palestinian side and end to the bombing, certainly for now, the return of thousands of prisoners from Israeli jails and so on.

You know, it was a day of great celebration. Did you feel celebratory today? I mean, it's always good when war ends. It's good when conflict ends. It's good when hostages are brought home. I think regardless of how that came about, I think it's always a good thing to celebrate. What's the downside for you? Well, I mean, it depends on what part we're talking about. I think that, you know, if you're looking for some kind of comprehensive peace between Israel and Palestine, this deal doesn't even come close to it. Remember, this is the second time the president has told us there will be peace in the Middle East. The first time was the Abraham Accords, and clearly that didn't work. Yeah, Trump is really good at putting together these plans that are not plans at all. They're just like backbones of plans. Well, when you say it didn't work the Abraham Accords, I mean, it stood with the countries that signed up the Abraham Accords. You know, they have had a good working relationship with Israel as a consequence of that.

Saudi Arabia has indicated it would like to join them, but it can't, when this war was raging, understandably. They're looking to expand the Abraham Accords. The amount of unity from Arab countries and... Muslim countries like Turkey to this peace plan has been pretty unanimous in the region. So I'm not quite sure if this plan is unworkable, what would have been a better plan? I mean, anything that actually leads to a long-term permanent solution between Israel and Palestine. I mean, when you say the Abraham Accords worked, I mean, that's because they were involved in countries that weren't really fighting with each other.

I think that a lot of the Israeli peace process with other Arab states is just trying to extricate Palestine from any overall peace arrangement with any other country. The Abraham Accords did that. They kicked the can down the road. October 7th happened. It was just like the second in Tefat after the failures of Oslo 1 and 2. And now we're getting a deal that kind of looks like

an Oslo 3 piece framework where it's a bunch of vague stuff. Nobody really knows what it means. And basically Israel has like infinite reign to kind of like play with it how they want. Like what does it mean to de-radicalize the Palestinian Authority or de-radicalize the Gaza Strip? You know, who knows?

Emily Austin, you know, I felt a lot of joy to see. the hostages after two years of utter unrelenting hell, finally being released, 20 of them, back to their families and the scenes with the reunion with their families is incredibly moving. I defy anyone with a heart to not be moved by it.

And I also found the scenes of jubilation amongst the Palestinians and seeing families returning, albeit back to their bombarded homes, with at least the hope now of being able to rebuild their lives, hopefully. You know, all of that I found very euphoric. I had to say, I did blush, not at Donald Trump being celebrated in the Knesset, but by the kind of mass adulation for Netanyahu,

because I don't think he's showered himself in any glory this year. Explain why you think I'm wrong. Well, honestly, I always say my fight as an American Jew is to make sure that Israel and Jews are safe and there's not all this false information going around in America. But needless to say, Israel is very torn between supporting Netanyahu or not. There's a joke that Israeli support Trump more than they support their own prime minister, which right now definitely feels that way in Israel. I will add, I don't think Netanyahu gets any credit when he does something right at all.

I think whether it's something as precise as the beeper attack, he'll never get the pat on the back for doing things the right way. When it's his involvement in signing the agreement and it's Hamas who wasn't signing it, BB will always take the hits for that. Now, whether you like him or not, I just feel like you need to give credit where it's due. But I think, to be honest, I thought, Emily, he did get a lot of credit

for the Hezbollah Pager attack. That was widely seen... I would like to have thought so, but I would say, just to finish that point, I would say that he was widely credited with having launched a very precise, very carefully planned, expertly executed,

dismantling of Hezbollah using pages that did not lead to mass civilian casualties. Similarly, I thought the attack on Iran, which many people thought would be catastrophic and launched World War III and so on, actually turned out to be a short-lived war, which was very precise again in his targeting and, again, did not involve mass civilian casualties. The problem comes with the way he has prosecuted the war in Gaza, which has been to do none of those things, to be not remotely surgical, but to be, in many people's eyes, utterly indiscriminate, leveling 80% of Gaza to the point of total destruction,

killing 67, 70,000 people, including many tens of thousands of civilians, including over 20,000 kids. It seems to be a completely different way of waging war against your enemy to the way that he is rightly, in my opinion, got due credit for the way he dealt with Iran and his Bala. Yeah, I'm a numbers girl. I like to think, not emotionally, with facts. And I recently found something really interesting, and I'd love to hear your opinion on it. According to UNRWA's numbers, which I'm reluctant to trust to begin with, according to them, 73,000 structures were destroyed, right? Sixty-eight thousand people were dead. By the way, I'll add, the Hamas spokesman said 58,000 militants were killed, so that math is not really making sense.

But per UNRWA numbers, if that is in fact true, and there were 73,000 structures destroyed, and 68,000 people dead, then their racial racial... of structure to person. I'm talking buildings was less than one person. It's 0.9 people per structure. Emily, you've seen the pictures. You've seen, I mean, look, one of my biggest bug bears about this is Netanyahu refusing to this day

to allow international journalists to operate freely in Gaza to verify what's been going on there. But we've all seen the very few aerial shots that have come out in the last few weeks and months. And they've been utterly devastating. You know, this idea there's just a few structures or one for one and so on.

It's for the birds. They have leveled three quarters of Gaza. Pierce, I can't deny the facts. I've saw the videos of Gaza. Anyone who's denying that it's inhabitable is lying to you. However, I will add that when Hamas has done a phenomenal job since 2005,

embedding themselves into civilian infrastructure, into schools, into nurseries, into hospitals, al-Shifa hospital was a Hamas HQ, for God's sake. They don't really leave Israel with much of a choice. Listen, I know you're critical of Netanyahu, but I've yet to hear anyone give me a better answer than if they were in your shoes and you're fighting a military

that has fully embedded themselves into infrastructure that belongs to civilians, do you now lose a war and surrender because they've made it really, really difficult to attack? I'll tell you what Israel has done. They've done them the courtesy of dropping leaflets every single time they're going to make a strike, which, by the way, I'll add,

no other military will ever do that in any form of war. They have let aid in despite people denying that. That's a fact they've let tons of food and aid in. Again, no other military will ever do that. Well, they waged a three-month. Well, hang on. They waged a three-month illegal blockade of food and aid in February this year, which was a breach of all conventions.

And in my opinion, was a war crime. I mean, I think a lot of stuff... Before those three months blockade, they allowed enough aid in to last them? Well, you know what? It should never have happened. It was that you cannot do that. Why is it Israel's responsibility

to feed them to begin with if they're in a war? It's a war crime. It's a war crime to have a blockade. That's the point. October 7th was a war crime too. Yes, it was. You won't get any argument from me. I've always said that Hamas are a despicable terror group

who committed one of the worst atrocities of modern times and they can have no role in in Gaza going forward. It's not just how the news is told, but what's left out, which concerns me. And when a friend of the business recommended I try ground news, I gave it a go. Quite honestly, I was impressed.

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vantage plan and see what everyone else is missing. That's groundnews.com slash peers. It is incumbent on the only democracy in the region to actually behave at a higher level. And I've always taken issue with Israel's claim that they behaved on a on a superior moral plinth to any standing army. I just, you know, the best way to prove it is to let the journalists in. It's very easy to make all sorts of claims about... Journalists will have died in Gaza because when they are going to announce that they're striking and Hamas is not going to allow people to flee. Why do you think Hamas would have given the journalist the courtesy of fleeing? Emily, that's not the concern of the Israeli government.

They're not concerned about the safety and welfare of journalists. It is down to the individual media companies who employ these journalists about their risk assessment. But the fact remains that no journalists from CNN, from BBC, from Reuters, from AP, from any reputable news agencies are allowed into Gaza to report freely on what's happened. And until they are, the suspicion remains that they are up to stuff which they don't want the world to see. So we will see. I fear we're going to uncover a lot of very bad stuff. There's videos coming out of Gaza left and right.

I think the safety of the journalists was their concern. Well, they've killed a record number of journalists on Palestinian journalists. So I don't think they actually... Unfortunately, Pierce in Gaza, they throw on a vest that says journalists. But actually, many of them were genuine journalists who were not members of Hamas who were brutally killed. And that is an outrage. Here, are you aware Israel drops leaflets every time they're going to commit an airstrike and Hamas does not let them evacuate? Listen, you won't get me defending Hamas about any of this, but the idea that all the 200...

To the specific point, I just asked. The idea that all the 200-plus journalists had it coming because they were fake journalists is bullshit. I never said that. Well, you're implying it when you're saying they're wearing the shirt. A journalist, they all had working cell phones, by the way. The claim that Gaza has no electricity was completely a lie. The leaflets warned them. They literally had sirens letting the note to leave.

How much more of a warning should Israel give before they're going to strike? Which, again, I'm going to repeat all of the military. I'm going to bring another panelists in. I think it's more not about the warnings. It's more about how much more bombing does it take to make your point. Let me bring in Tara Pomerri. I mean, Tara, this has been a very, you know, I've tried to be fair. with this war from the start.

I always recognized Israel's right to defend itself. I felt it had a duty to defend itself. I think any other country in the world that was attacked in that way would have done something similar, certainly early on. It's the scale of what happened, particularly this year,

to me, became increasingly indefensible. When you start blockading and starving a civilian population in the way that Israel was doing, when you just carry on just relentless bombardment and destroying most of Gaza, when you're not achieving your aims of hostage release or defeating Hamas, none of this made any sense to me.

And when you have people like Smodrich and Ben-Gavir on the Israeli government, openly talking about ethnic cleansing, kicking all the Palestinians out and taking them a land, I began to feel that the mission creep was changing very, very fast. What is, I mean, that's why I'm so thrilled that we got to where we did today, really, you know, unexpectedly. But what is your overview about this war? I agree with you. If there was nothing to hide, then why not let international journalists in?

I mean, international journalists have covered every war. They're covering the war in Ukraine, Iraq, Afghanistan. They take risks. They die. But that is the way that people find out what is actually happening on the ground there. The fact that you couldn't get aid, the blockades, people traveling for miles, for days, for just like chickpeas. I interviewed a father in Gaza that was traveling for days for that. It's just so inhumane that it's hard to even remember the start of the war why this even started, which was an incredible aggression, horrible act of Hamas, you know, just attacking Israel, brutally stealing hostages and killing them. But then when you get into the atrocities against the Palestinian people and how many children have died,

you've really lost the plot in so many ways. And then, you know, there are some of these videos where you see Benjamin Netanyahu sort of like berating these creators that are pro-Israel. And they're saying you have to be, you have to, you really have to protect us more in the press. You have to be pushing our side more and more. You realize it's really become a propaganda game in a way. And Israel lost. I mean, the rest of the world is, can. condemning them for war crimes, you know, UN organizations saying it's a genocide.

I don't, it's a wonderful day that the hostages have been returned. It's an amazing day. It's an amazing celebration. But I do think that, you know, we can't look at Netanyahu as some sort of hero in all of this. No. We have to understand that this is a breaking point. We could, I think. I mean, one of my biggest problems with the way, on both sides I've had this, right?

So early on when I was defending Israel's right to defend itself, I had a lot of extremists on the Palestinian side, saying I was a pro-Zionist monster and so on. And then this year, I've had the complete reverse where I've had very extreme Zionists who have come for me in big numbers, and their tactic has been to brand any criticism of Netanyahu or his government, some of whom are absolute headbangers like Ben-Gyver and Smodrich, that if you criticize them at all, you must be anti-Semitic.

You must hate Jewish people. As a Jew, I want to say that's foolish. I don't correlate criticism with anti-Semitism. I just want to make that very clear. I know you would never do that. But I'm sure you've seen it, Emily. It's been a really insidious thing to have to experience because I have never had anything but positive thoughts

about Jewish people, about Israel, actually. I love the country. I've been there. And the idea that you can't criticize a government. I've made the point. I led the campaign against the Iraq war in the UK. I was running the Daily Mirror newspaper, which was a Labor supporting paper. I took on the Labor Prime Minister, Tony Blair.

It didn't mean I hated the British people, although I hated my country. It just meant I hated what my government was doing in my name. So this kind of thing that you must be a Jew hater, if you've criticized Netanyahu, I found disgusting. Brandon, let me bring you in here. It's been an interesting split in Trump's support. You know, the base seems to me the MAGA base is increasing. anti-Israel. We see that with Tucker Carlson, with Candice Owens and others. Others are very much pro-Israel, but there's a real split there. What's that about? Well, let me correct you on that.

I don't think it's anti-Israel. A lot of it's anti-Semitic. I mean, people are losing their minds. And I almost had a stroke listening to the capitulation to the foolery in Gaza and Israel. Israel don't owe them anything. Why are we, why are we confused about this. They came over and they slaughtered all these people, they took people hostage. They don't owe them nothing. They could starve on a death if they wanted to. That's their decision, in my personal opinion, because they're reasonable, they send out leaflets, and the lies about the media. They don't allow journalists in. Where's all this propaganda coming from? They don't allow them. I see videos of kids. I see buildings coming down.

They don't allow it. Look, listen, but it is a real, it is actually a fact they don't allow. journalists in. No, but I interviewed unless you are a friendly journalist embedded with the IDS, you're not allowed in.

It's inconsequential because there's enough information because how do we know the truth? I believe it's inconsequential. You know the truth. You see a propaganda

coming out of Gaza. You see, and then journalists get killed and people are complaining. Propaganda is not true. I see propaganda on all sides and in my experience of propaganda in war

the only way. But hang on, Brandon. We will find out in the city. Brandon, the only way to counter propaganda from all sides in a war because it comes from all sides. The only way is to allow independent journalists

to do their jobs. They don't do their job in America. So they lie every day in America. So I'm not, I don't really care about that. At the end of the day, we will see. Let's talk about people lying. Let's talk about people getting $7,000 in the post. Let me finish.

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You're 70% off with the code peers. And so what I'm saying is that I think it's inconsequential. I think people are jumping. They don't have to feed these people. They could have starved them to death if they wanted to. But they didn't. That would be a war crime. You could say it's a war crime anyway.

Well, no, I'm not saying it. It would be a war crime. innocent people in Israel. But Brandon, it would be a war crime. You could say it doesn't matter. They killed all these people. It does matter. Hamas is abetting.

Brandon, it matters. Hamas is embedding themselves in the population. Yeah, Hamas are disgusting. Hamas are disgusting and they commit endless war crimes. What are you expecting to do, Pierce? How do you fight a war? I'm sorry. When they're embedded in the people.

Sorry, but there are international rules relating to warfare. And if Israel breaks them, they are as culpable. as Hamas or anybody else? Did Netanyahu commit war crimes trying to fight this war when you have Hamas embedded in with the people? I believe he may well have done, yes, I do believe that. What else is he going to do then? Not fight? No, no, you can fight, but you have to abide by the rules of war.

Well, what are you going to do? Well, this is why we have... Yeah, but Brandon, this is why we had the Geneva Convention set up after World War II. Brandon, after World War II, they set up at Geneva Convention because the world concluded that a lot of the stuff that went on in World War II simply crossed the line. And therefore, for future wars and conflicts, you had to have rules of engagement recognized by the international community. And if you don't have those, then anything goes that anyone can

do anything. And you, I'm sure, would agree, would agree with me. I agree, that way insanity lies, right? And total mayhem. I agree, Pierce, but I think that this was a unique situation where you're fighting an enemy that's embedded in with the people. They literally have headquarters at hospitals. They're having military weapons and doing all this stuff. Some of their journalists are terrorists. Some of the people are terrorists.

They're not even fighting with uniforms on. How do we even know who's a combatant and who's not a combatant? When they release the results of how many people that died, they're not telling you how many people are combatant. When they say that there's children that died, the range of children is from 17 all the way down. How do we know how many 17-year-olds that they've recruited to fight on the side of Hamas?

So it's ridiculous to act. What did we actually? that out. If we had journalists in there, exactly. What did we actually point? The journalist's going to have a burst in the hand? Give me a break. No, if we had, if we had journalists in there that were from every country all over, you can have, you can have your

dispute with American journalists. You don't think they're independent. They would be getting killed. They would be dead. They will be starving, right? Let me just interject for a second. I want to point something out I noticed after the ceasefire is that before the ceasefire, if you look at the videos of Gaza,

appears plenty of them were coming out, not from journalists from civilians in Gaza, you saw no men in uniform. It's almost like Hamas did not exist in Gaza. I actually thought Israel had gotten rid of them. Suddenly, after Israel withdrew its troops, every single man, actually, let me add, teenager and adult man suddenly has a machine gun and is in uniform.

Excuse me, the woman in the red, I forgot your name. Actually, really respect your opinion. Tara. But I do believe that these Hamas militants, if you're a journalist in Gaza, and they're dressed as regular innocent civilians. You don't know who's who. So what are they going to do?

Okay, you look like a normal kid. You look like a normal kid. You could be Hamas, I'm not sure. They were literally, as Brandon's trying to say, embedding themselves in civilians, not just in their resources, in uniform as well. They're dressed as how much. They obviously were doing all of those things.

Let me bring in Nadine. Nadine, you and I have talked a lot during this war, often in some very contentious circumstances. But today, how do you feel? I mean, the war appears to have ended, now, Palestinians are returning to what remains of their homes. They appears to be a joyous feeling of at least the war is over, and they can try and get back to their lives.

They haven't been expelled, as many on the Israeli government would have liked to seem. Do you give Trump any credit for this? I mean, I sincerely hope that the war is over. Palestinians have been through enough, through starvation, famine, entire bloodlines wiped out families that'll never be the same again. And, you know, I just think these ceasefires aren't necessarily proof of peace. So far, they've just been pauses in the project of genocide and ethnic cleansing that began over 75 years ago with the NECPA and continues today.

Under Trump, countless of Palestinians were killed. They were starved. They were displaced. And the so-called ceasefire plan didn't even include Palestinians negotiators at all in the construction of the plan. Instead, Palestinians were forced into submission through starvation, blockade, and these U.S. administered Gaza humanitarian fund sites where people were rounded up and targeted by Islamophobic biker gangs. And now part of these deals demand the disarmament of Hamas, which is literally impossible, since most of the weapons that Hamas happens now were delivered

by Israel itself in the form of unexploded ordinances and munitions dropped on Gaza. So it feels like, you know, So this is all just a setup to extract the hostages, which Hamas said early on in October 2023 that they were willing to release all of the civilian hostages in order to just continue killing people in Gaza. You know, just last night, another Palestinian was killed, was shot by Israel, and also proxy militias that are being funded and protected by Israel in Gaza are also continuing to kill Palestinians, like the Palestinian journalist Salahed Jafrawi, who are also. who was murdered. And I think another thing that is important to mention here is that Israel systematically

you're a compulsive liar. $7,000 we get it. You get your pay. Keep saying that. That's a long sort of. Who's getting paid? Who's going to mention that Israel systematically destroyed more hospitals, schools, water and sanitation systems. Amaz headquarter. And other essential infrastructure right before withdrawing from Vezda leaving the process. We'll talk at once. Nadine, let me ask you a question. Out of interest, what should Israel have done on October the 8th by way of responding to the worst terror attack of modern times? What should Palestinians have done to respond? No, no, that wasn't my question. That wasn't my question. What should Israel have done? They're not a lawyer. I'm not sure why she's continuously interrupting me. I know you get $7,000 to sit here and spew propaganda, but that's not going to work here.

Aren't you a lawyer, don't you know what defamation is? You have any proof that I have ever gotten one penny from Israel? No, if you're going to make an accusation, back it up with facts. Do you have one receipt that I received one dollar from Israel? I'm trying to respond to his question right now. I know you want to. Well, Nadine, I think it's a fair, hang on, hang on, it's a fair question, Nadine. You made an allegation against Emily that she's taken money to talk up for Israel.

Do you have any proof of that? This is widely reported, and I would like to actually focus on the question that you talked about in regards to Gaza. At the end of the day, I don't need to obtain a act. Have you been paid, Emily, have you accepted? Have you, have you been paid, Emily, to talk up in Israel's favor? No one sense. Zero. Nothing. Okay. So we've clarified that. Nadine, answer my question, though, what should Israel, not not the Palestinians, what should Israel have done after this appalling terror attack? I think the only way that there can be peace in the Holy Land is through a time. and through justice, not through genocide. By committing this genocide, Israel hasn't stamped out Hamas. But I'm talking about the attempted genocide that Hamas waged.

So let's talk about that first, right? What should Israel have done following the mass murder of 1,200 of its people, the wounding and maiming of 7,000 more and the kidnapping of over 250, including Holocaust survivors and babies? What should Israel have done? What would have been the proportionate, correct response by, Israel after that attack? Negotiating a hostage exchange and in return for the Palestinian hostages would have saved

a lot of bloodshed on both sides. And let's not forget that Israel employed the Hannibal directive on October 7th. Much of the damage that have been done could only have been carried up by Apache helicopters and, you know, weapons of... Okay, but do you think what Hamas did... Okay, but do you think what Hamas did on October the 7th was justified? You constantly ask me this question every time I come on your show as some sort of gotcha. You know, I think that repression and oppression breeds resistance.

I'm not living at the opposite end of a barrel of an Israeli gun. I'm not having my home destroyed to rubble. So I'm not going to tell people that have constantly faced this prior to October 7, 2023, that, you know, resisting it is wrong or how they resist it is wrong. That's not my place. A terror attack is not resistance. It's a terror attack. Peers, Peers, this is clear.

This young lady is a propaganda. You ask me, how should of Israel respond? He does not have common sense. I'm asking you, peers, now, how should Palestinians respond to 75 years of displacement? For over 20 years of- displacement? It's not just a few months. Okay, it's funny.

You're such a hypocrite. You're talking about me interrupting you, and now you're constantly interrupting me. Pierce, okay, because it's getting crazy what you're saying. Constant incursions on Gaza to the destruction of refugees. G camps in the West Bank to the denial of the right of return to countless war crimes. How should have Palestinians responded to that? Well, my answer, my answer is that committing a terrorist attack of that magnitude is never, ever resistance or defensively.

So what's the answer? So how should they resist? Well, no. You're just saying what they shouldn't do. I'm making the point that an act of terrorism is never the correct response, ever. Gold is up by more than 40 percent in value since the beginning of this year. and today's sponsor, Birch Gold, is marking Veterans Day with a tantalizing offer, buy gold, get free silver.

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Do it today. What's the correct response? Let me bring Brandon in here, Brandon. Okay, you can answer the question that you tried to ask me. I want everybody to get a chance. This young lady is clearly a propagandist. She will not deny or will not say that Hamas is a terrorist organization and they killed innocent people.

And then she won't Kamas to be fighting and killing innocent people. And then when Israel come back and whoop their socks off, she acts like it's a genocide. They haven't been committing a genocide. I don't know what world you live in or any other person that's living in and think this is a genocide. You don't feed people in a genocide. Irrational. You don't provide a genocide.

The population doesn't grow during the genocide. 75 years the population is grown. What are you saying? Are you guys smoking or what? 75 years, the population has grown. That's not a genocide. It's not what the definition of genocide. Could you even define genocide?

You clearly can't even define that. Well, I'll tell you what the... Name another genocide. Let me just say something. You want to say something. The reality, and I've learned this by talking to genocide scholars, is that no country or state has ever been found guilty

of waging a genocide. I was surprised by that. I didn't know that. The bar for a genocide is extremely high. And that's why so far, no country has ever been found guilty or convicted of committing or waging a genocide. I didn't know that before this war broke out,

but I do know that now. So the bar is very, very high for a... Even in Rwanda, they did not, in the end, classify that. as a genocide. Now, we might have a view, we might have a view that's wrong, but my view of what's happened in Israel

is that if you believe people like Smodrich and Bengavir, they were operating on a basis of ethnic cleansing, seizing the opportunity created by this appalling attack to actually expel Palestinians, kick them out of their homes, and take their land. That's ethnic cleansing, but I wouldn't categorize that as a genocide, which is how many people have tried to make me call it,

but that's my explanation. Let me bring Destiny about you. You're waiting, I've got to say, unusually patiently, desperately, which I appreciate. Look, what people are talking about now is the future, whether there can be lasting peace. If it turns out, this is the catalyst, the lasting peace. And a lot of that may come down to the Arab and Muslim countries here. We seem to be very actively involved in trying to get a lasting peace through this. How much credit would you give Donald Trump?

Should he get the Nobel Peace Prize next year? And he thought he deserved it this year. It is unusual to have a Republican-American president who wants to forge peace, not war. But he talks about peace all the time. He's trying to find it in Ukraine. He seems to have found it in the Middle East. I'm not sure what else he has to do,

given that Barack Obama got the Nobel Peace Prize eight months into his tenure in his first presidency for basically making a couple of fancy speeches. But it seems people don't want to give him the Nobel Peace Prize because he's Donald Trump. Yeah, I don't think Donald Trump is an interesting. He just wants to get rid of problems and move on to the next thing. Again, we already had peace in the Middle East with the Abraham Accords,

and we saw where that led. Now we've got whatever the ceasefire is, the 20-point plan, I think is kind of a joke. I mean, he came in saying that he was going to figure out all these issues on day one. He hasn't. He let Israel wage basically maximally the war they wanted to wage. They were able to eliminate essentially every enemy. All the top grass in Hamas, like twice.

You know, they bombed Qatar. They got the United States to bomb Iran. They, you know, Syrian regime, Bashar al-Assad. his regime collapsed, they killed Narsarala, they got rid of Hizbollah. The idea that Trump has come in and brokered peace after Israel has essentially eliminated all enemies, and then the peace that was brokered is this insanely one-sided favorable deal to the Israelis. I mean, I feel like they're just setting themselves up for some other terrorist attack in the future, and then we're all going to be scratching our heads looking around like,

I can't believe this is happening again. Tarrad, Destiny, you won. You have Trump's arrangement syndrome. Congratulations. Well, are these destinies here prepared to talk about it? I mean, the people... You know what? The dean is right, $7,000. I see it now.

There's the... Is that a monthly payment or a yearly payment? Honestly, I wish I got it. I really, really wish I did. If someone else is making it, I would love the directions of how I can get the money to. But thus far, I haven't been offered,

nor have I received. But thank you again for a baseless accusation. Okay. To be clear, you just baselessly accused me of having Trump deranger syndrome. I think my criticism is pretty pointed. There is no concrete plan for what this is going to look like afterwards.

Israel got to end the war. They got to eliminate all enemies. They're getting to do damage to the infrastructure of the West. By the way, they didn't. Moss is everywhere all over Gaza, flaunting how they've won this. What is Israel?

I've been doing for two years, if they're still everywhere. How many more places do they need to bomb? Did you see the videos coming out of Gaza that Hamas is cheering and parading? Do you not see what's going to do out there? I don't know how much more time you need. I don't know how many more bombs you have to drop.

Like, I mean, at some point, your war is over. Like, you figured it out. Like, you can't... At some point, Hamas needs to surrender and, like, demilitarized. Did you ever think about that? Oh, well, a complete surrender demilitarized would have been a good thing for Trump to arrange

more than, you know, a year into his presidency. So that's why I don't give him any credit for it. All right, Tara, let me bring you in here because you're probably, I would say, the neutral member of the panel in many ways. It does seem there is a double standard about Trump, Nobel Peace Prize, credit for forging peace. I mean, do you think there is a double standard?

I do think, you know, like you said, noted that President Obama got the Nobel Peace Prize in eight months. It's probably more of a symbol. a lot of ways than what it actually represents. Will this actually lead to peace? I think he should apply again because the application date was around January when he was not even inaugurated. How could he be, you know, how could he put his name forward before he's even president yet? And even in this case, it's a little early days, I think. We need to see if there is actual peace. I mean, next week, this could all be broken. As we've said, Hamas has yet to give up its arms.

Gaza is still occupied by Israel. There are lots of unanswered questions, but I do find it extraordinary that Bernie Sanders, for example, so vocal about Trump, right? Last week, in the last seven days, 16 anti-Trump posts on his ex-account. He hasn't mentioned the Middle East at all.

Bernie Sanders, a man he ran for president, hugely big figure in the United States political arena, hasn't mentioned this on his feet. All he's done is relentless Trump bash. about other stuff. And I'm like, you know, it's so transparent that. You talk about Trump derangement syndrome. How does that manifest itself?

If you are a senior politician in the United States and you can't find it in yourself, even Hillary Clinton gave Trump credit for this because she knows how difficult it is to get to this place. Yeah. You know, I just think to Bernie Sanders, I asked him directly, you know, what's stopping you? Saying something, anything.

You're very vocal all day long about Trump. And the reason is he doesn't want to say, anything positive about Trump. So we'd rather not talk about this incredibly historic moment in the Middle East, which is an example of just how unhinged

a lot of Trump's opponents become. Well, this is all political theater at the back Trump. Well, let our respond. Yeah, I mean, ultimately, I think it's the fact that it feeds President Trump's ego, they find him detestable, the fact that he needs these plotts and awards, they don't like him as a person.

It's political, obviously. But yeah, this is, a big deal. He got Benjamin Netanyahu in the Oval Office to apologize to Qatar. Huge. He created a huge. He created a relationship with the Israeli prime minister that has, that no other president has in decades. And he was able to almost strong arm this moment that we got to right now. And yes, he deserves credit for it. But the whole question is, does it hold up? And that's why this year-long evaluation for his noble peace prize makes the most sense. He probably hate study has to wait for it but i think it will show if this holds up and i think

oh we slightly lost you there tori there sorry sorry sir we lost you for a couple of seconds on this issue and that there tara just repeat your last point because you were frozen oh yeah i'll just finish on this last point if i have yeah yeah my last point is that i hope that this period of time that it will take for them to decide if he deserves the nobel people prize will keep him fixed on the Middle East and will not just be something he can check off and, you know, say, I did this, that it will make sure that there's actual follow-through on this 20-point plan. Yeah, Brandon, do you feel there's a double standard when it comes to giving Trump credit for this kind of thing? Oh, a thousand percent. I mean, I think Trump derangement

is the real thing. I think these people, like for me, if there was a Democrat that negotiated this, I don't care how much I don't like these Democrats. I'd be like, this is great, man. That's a win. If Barack Obama does something good, that was great. I like when he do things well. It's our country. So I'm hoping that he went and gets victories. But look at it. Look at what happened, Pierce.

You see people that Trump has negotiated peace, the ones who claim it was a genocide and their babies are dying. He's gotten it to stop, and they won't even celebrate that because they hate him so much. This should be a celebration at least in part. Donald Trump is not God. And to be honest, the only threat of this backfiring is from the Palestinians. and from Hamas, it's not like Israel's going to go back on it. They're going to do another terrorist attack, is the fear.

But, you know, I hope that it works. And we should all be cheering for it to work. We should all be giving input on, you know, what's the next step here? Because Trump can't control everything. No, I agree. Also, Emily, I mean, I just feel that it gives you much more credibility, whoever you are, if you're prepared to just look at the big picture and give your opponent credit where they deserve it.

It just gives you more credibility. You know, I think one of the problems of social media it's got so tribal and so toxic that even when a new fact comes out about your side, which is obviously very damning or wrong, people will try and pretend it isn't because they think that that shows weakness. When in fact, to actually criticize your own side

from time to time or to credit the other side is a good thing for democracy. And I wish we could get back to a place where we could all do that quite freely. I criticize Trump got regularly. but I praise him quite regularly. I think that's the right. I was the same with Obama.

I just think that is the way that is the way a proper democracy works, right? But when people are so intransigent about giving any credit to someone like Donald Trump, whatever he does, I just think to me they lose credibility.

I mean, I think you can give credit, just give credit where credit is due. It's been like six Israel-Gaza wars. 2008, 2014, Cass Led and Protective Edge. These were huge, you know, wars that had ceasefires. them. The conflict has been never ending, well, basically, since the inception of the state of

Israel between Israel and the gun-strapet-ins-traff in Israel. We've never had this number, destiny, of Arab and Muslim countries come together to team up in this way. But they haven't come together to team up. The letter that was written, the unifying letter, all of it was, we hope that they, you know, abide by international law. No, they endorse the Trump plan, though. I mean, the words that they're using are saying, we hope that something, actually comes from this. This is like all the plans that Trump had, all the trade deals. The United States has no trade deals. There is no lasting peace right now between Israel and Gaza.

This is like the framework of one. Well, actually, America does have a lot of new trade deals. We have none. Well, actually, it has a lot that is signed. No, that's not true. It's true. It's not true. It's not true. It's absolutely true. The UK, you're sitting in the United Kingdom. We have a trade deal. You do not have a trade deal. Yes, we do. No, there is no trade deal. These things are not one page signed and posted on Twitter. There are extensive things that encompass entire markets and tons of writing for it. Like, there's no trade deal. We have agreed a 10% tariff on UK products to the United States.

That is a trade deal. That's not a trade deal. That's an entry on an Excel spreadsheet. A trade deal is a comprehensive market encompassing thing that actually dictates terms that you can rely on for, you know, decades to come. It's not a thing that can change on a whim. But do you dispute that Trump has managed to negotiate

a series of deals with countries, which are, in terms of tariffs, more advantageous now to America than they were in January? No, our prices on everything are going up. That wasn't my question. No, they're not advantageous. They're hurting the economy in every measurable way.

Inflation is up, the amount of taxes now. Why are stock markets at record highs? Because the stock market always goes up. It was under record highs under Obama. Of course it does. When he launched his global tariff all, the stock market collapsed. In the long term.

But now, having been promised Armageddon within six months, we've got to the point of six months, and the stock markets are higher than they were before he launched a terrorist. Not as high as it should be, but the stock market will tend upwards. That's how the stock market works. This is the thing. It takes time. You know, like Donald Trump is making an effort to do this, and it takes time to come to fruition. I hope that you will be cheering for it to come to fruition and that Donald Trump is going to realize some of these things that he's put into place.

Some of these negotiations will go through in a better way. Don't you wish that destiny? I think we all want that, right? I don't know what anybody wants. We're talking about giving the Nobel Peace Prize, hopefully, to a guy who is declaring war on his own cities. I mean, I don't know what the actual goal is. You know how ridiculous that is? I do. I agree. It is ridiculous. I'm glad we can agree on that.

You know what's interesting. I was going to be war with Chicago. You know what's interesting? I was watching Don Lemon. I was watching the citizen journalist Don Lemon out with his microphone. And he was talking to people in various cities about putting the National Guard on the streets. You know what they all said to his astonishment? They were all in favor of it.

I would be too if my city was overrun by crime and gangs and shootings and stabbings. and murders. If you feel the police, if you feel the police is under-resourced and ineffective and is not protecting you, then I think people actually have rather liked the visibility of members of the National Guard on the street. And, you know, people can call it the militarization, the creeping fascism, all these things. Or they could actually ask the people that live in those places, how do you feel about having some National Guard people on the streets?

They actually feel comforted by the visibility of National Guard on. them the streets. So maybe... The only people who don't like law enforcement are criminals. That's the reality. Right. The military... These are just politicians that are running their mouth. Just like Black Lives Matter when they want to defund the police.

You ask people that live in the hood, they love the police. They want the police there. They get sick of their kids getting shot in the middle of the street. So most people, go to Chicago. I mean, go to D.C. Remember when they were protesting D.C.? A bunch of white people. You know the majority of D.C. population is black.

None of the black people are out there protests. It's a bunch of leftist nudge jobs and politicians who are pushing this agenda. Most people want to be safe. The property value goes up when it's safe. Stores come into the community. The economy is boosted. Your schools are better. No person on earth want crime to be rampant in their cities.

And when our politicians do nothing, then Trump has to step in. All right. Let me give the last word to Nadine. How do you see things in the next two, three years in Gaza, in the world? West Bank in that region? You know, I think Trump addressing the Knesset today just proves how absurd this whole conversation is.

He bragged about moving the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem. He rewarded Israel's legal annexation. He praised Miriam Adelson while also calling her Israel first. And he also went to Egypt after the Knesset. He also went to Egypt. So, you know, yes, he was at the Knesset. Yes, he got celebrated for getting the hostages release. That's inevitable.

But he also then went to Egypt immediately. right? So, you know, I look at the totality of what Trump has done on this very quick visit, and he's going to both sides. He understands you only get to peace by talking and sitting down and doing deals with all warring partners. It's the only way you do it. I mean, you know, what we've seen is the Palestinian resistance today are the orphans of the past Israeli incursions on Gaza, on the West Bank. The number of Hamas militants, just like, you know, the pro-Israeli, here said hasn't actually decreased since October

2023. It's just about staying the same. So I think that you think that you can't bring, you can't bomb people into peace, you can't bomb people into submission, and Palestinians will continue to resist no matter what because they are facing a genocidal baby killing machine that is built on the blood of our people that's built on the blood. And they're going to keep getting their buscheats.

My village in Palestine was annexed three weeks ago, weeks ago, not a single establishment or legacy media outlet has covered it. Be Thicksa was annexed. You can search this up. And as long as we continue to be dispossessed through our lands, denied the right of return and slaughtered mercilessly, whether in Gaza, whether in the West Bank or even 48 citizens, Palestinian citizens of Israel, Palestinians are only going to continue to fight that. That is just human nature.

That is just human nature. All right. Before we go, Friks, I want to remind you that you had Nardine and I on right after October 7th. Off the bat, you asked her, do you condemn October 7th? She said no. She hardly condemned 9-11. Now that we're seeing each other again face-to-face, Nardine.

It was a second grade when 9-11 happened. You are pro-Israel hot. You have nothing going to tell you. $7,000. Larry Ellison can buy TikTok. They can buy T-EAN. You are not from Palestine. The images of Hamas.

Because when Hamas is a powder. Literally, when Hamas is slaughtered all the gauzenes right now, you're silent. Hamas is killing Palestinians right now and you are silent because you're not pro-Palestine. OK, we're going to say, it's good to see, it's good to see, it's good to see the time. It is good to see that you two have moved on with your relationships since you last appeared in the panel together. And there is a new harmony to it, which was lacking last time. That was Israel, Palestine, in a nutshell, right there. You know what?

Actually, yes. And that's where we need to get. The Palestinian is deranged. Israel, Palestine. Okay. I'm defending my people, my land, and you just have a ridiculous... You know, unusually, unusually, for when a panel includes destiny,

he's ended with the most prescient point of all, probably the most pertinent point of all, which is actually, in a way, that is the problem. And we need to get to a place where we get a mutual respect, and actually, I believe, one day that will be a two-state solution. The starting point is not like a little. The starting point is not crazy.

That's a lot more than that. I think that's the starting point. All right. That's the starting point. I'm going to leave you there, but thank you very much indeed, all of you for the debate. Thank you, Pierce. I appreciate it. One week ago, Katie Porter was measuring Gavin Newsom's curtains

as the poll showed her with a commanding lead in the race to become California's next governor. Then disaster struck. Katie Porter spoke to a journalist who had the audacity to ask her a question. But you just said you don't need those Trump voters. But you asked me if I needed them to win. So you don't think you need to...

I feel like this is unnecessarily argumentative. What is your question? The question is the same thing I asked everybody. That this is being called the empowering voters to stop Trump's power grab. Every other candidate has answered this question. This is not argumentative. And I said I support it. So, and the question is, what do you say to the 40% of voters who voted for Trump?

Oh, I'm happy to say that. It's the do you need them to win part that I don't know. to win part that I don't understand. I'm happy to answer the question as you haven't written, and I'll answer it. And we've also asked the other candidates, do you think you need any of those 40% of California voters to win? And you're saying, no, you don't. No, I'm saying I'm going to try to win every vote I can. And what I'm saying to you is that... Well, to those voters, okay, so you... I don't want to keep doing this. I'm going to call it. Well, Paul is prickly responsible that simple question, said her win probability

on an historic downward spiral cratering in just days from 40 to 60. 16%. The ensuing Porter Pylon has brought with a swirl of claims about disharmony among her team, and millions have viewed this clip of Porter yelling at a staffer who encroached on her Zoom shot. The state could lose. Boy, you're out of my fucking shot. I wanted to tell you that that's actually incorrect. It's not that it's electric vehicles.

It's that if we don't need the commitments under the Paris climate report. Okay. It does. Okay. You also were in my shot before that. Stay out of my shot. Wow. Well, we invited Katie Porter

to have a second go at answering questions here on Unsensored, but she declined. So in the interest of fairness and democracy, we invited her two leading opponents on both sides instead. In a moment, I'll talk to Republican candidate, Steve Hill. But first, I'm joined by the California Democratic Party's vice chair, Betty Yee.

Well, Betty, welcome to Unsensored. You posted on X following that the first interview with CBS. After watching the interview, it's clear. Katie Porter doesn't have the temperament to be governor. As a candidate, I welcome the hard questions. The next governor must be accessible and transparent. No place for temper tantrums.

No place for dodging the public's right to know. And you then added in another post, Katie Porter is a weak, self-destructive candidate unfit to Lee California. Mistakes are too high for it to stay in this race. It's time for to drop out of the race. So no holding back there. What is it about the clips that have come out that sent you over the edge in terms of her ability to stay in the race?

Well, thank you, Pierce. Look, as a woman candidate, I know that we are held to double standards, and I believe Katie Porter failed to hold up to that standard. As a candidate, we reach out to all voters to try to make a persuasive case to earn their support. And I just believe that her temperament and frankly, just not being responsive to the reporter was just not cutting it. I did the Bill Marshow with her a while ago last year and got into a debate with her about Riley Gaines,

who's been campaigning against trans activists trying to erode women's rights in sport. And she got very prickly then. But what I was struck by was that the very liberal audience totally disagreed with her. But I remember then, and we'll take a little look at a bit of this now. Let's have a look first. We talked about people, you know,

using things to kind of get likes and get clicks. That's not what she's doing. I mean, I've got no truck for writing games personally, but all I've seen to do is stand up for women's rights to fairness and equality. She has been... She actually competed against Leah Thomas, and it was obviously unfair. Leah Thomas won one of the races in the NCAA Championships

by 50 seconds against a bunch of biological females who simply couldn't keep up. That cannot be right. It cannot be fair. That is something that I trust, I think our sporting bodies should be dealing with. And by the way, Riley is speaking up for herself, and that is her prerogative, and I respect her free speech. I think she's speaking up for pretty much every female athlete in the world.

Out of interest, Betty Yee, what is your view of trans athletes in women's sport? Well, I think I always want to be sure that we are being inclusive in sports. And so I think there are ways to still have them participate in sports and try to quell just some of the controversy around it. I think everyone has an opportunity to participate in sports. Right. That wasn't really the question. It's whether you think trans athletes should compete in women's sport. Well, I think we need to learn more about just how we can enable them to participate.

I don't look, everyone is competing in a sport, and they come with abilities and perhaps there could be, you know, kind of a different leap for them. Or we can look at just ways not to exclude them, but I do want them to be able to have that same opportunity to participate. Well, everybody wants trans athletes to be better participate in sport. The issue is whether they should be allowed to compete in women's sport

against actual women who are biological females who obviously have a inferior physiology in the main in terms of lung capacity, muscle mass and so on. You think that would be right? They are now part of, I mean, they have been through a transition, a physical transition. And I do believe that they should be able to participate with other female athletes. Wow. Well, you've got the Olympics coming to California, to L.A.

So are you suggesting that you would allow trans athletes to compete in women's sport in the Olympics if you were governor? Well, I think there's still a lot of discussion that needs to happen. I think there's a lot of information we need to learn about what's really happening with the ability of trans athletes to compete. But my statement is about being able to be sure that they can compete. And right now, my question is whether you think they should compete in women's sport in the Olympics

because it's coming to L.A., so it's relevant. I think transgender female athletes are women athletes. Wow. Really? So if you were governor of California, you would support biological males who identify as women competing in women's sport in the Olympics. They are now identified as transgender female. And you think that makes,

and you think it's fair that they should then compete in women's sport? I think they should be able to compete in women's sports, but I also think that there is still some discussion about whether they should compete in the same field. I just want them to be able to participate. Sure, I'm sure you do. Why, out of interest, why do you think we separate the sexes in the Olympics? Well, because they do come with different attributes. in terms of physicality.

So you accept that we separate the sexes because men have a physical advantage over women? I know about an advantage in some sports, yes, and other sports, maybe not. Can you think of a single sport in the Olympics where men would not have an advantage over women, with the exception, potentially, of archery? You know, I think you can see female athletes,

particularly in track and field, where agility is... What? Hang on. Are you suggesting that women... So hang on. You think that women could compete against men in track and field, like in 100 meters, 200 meters, 10,000 meters, do you?

Perhaps. Perhaps. Of course they couldn't. Have you seen the times that women and men record in the Olympics for all track and field events? Have you watched Usain Bolt when he smashed the world record for the 100 meters? Yes, yes. So you think women could run against Usain Bolt, for example, at his peak, and that would be fair? I think, look, I'm just going to say this.

There's a lot of misinformation about the ability of transgender athletes. That wasn't my question. My question was, you've got the Olympics coming to your state. You want to be the California governor. I am actually a resident in California, in Los Angeles. So I'm very curious about your response to how you would want the Olympics to be conducted which would be fair and equitable for women. But it seems to me like you would like to remove any sexual differentiation

between the Olympic sports and let them all compete. It would be gender neutral, would it, if you were governor? Well, again, I want to be sure that everyone has the ability to compete. Right, but would you have a gender-neutral Olympics where you wouldn't have male and female sport then. You just have one that everyone could join in. Well, I don't think we're going to get that tomorrow, but I think it's a conversation worth having.

You think it's a conversation worth having where you have gender-neutral Olympics? Because we need to understand what the attributes are of athletes across the spectrum. But you've already said that you understand the reason they separate the sexes is that men have a physical advantage over women. That is why we separate the sexes in the Olympics.

In some sports, I believe so. Tell me a sport where it would have no impact. I do believe that women are equipped to break records in track and field and some of the sports as well. Tell me one track and field event where a woman would beat a man in the Olympics. Well, if... In fact, let me make it easier. Tell me a single track and field event in the Olympics where a woman would qualify for any of the finals. Well, I would think that in some of the short course track events.

potentially. What do you mean? Like how long? It's not going to be the long, the long races, but the shorter races. What, 100 meters? 200 meters? Could be 100 meter, sure. You think, I'm sorry to Betty, but given that obviously I got you on because Katie

Porder wouldn't answer questions. You genuinely think that we should have a gender neutral 100 meters in the Olympics when it comes to California? What I am saying is I don't know that we know fully. We know fully. But why do you think, we do know fully, because we know that women's 100 metre records compared to men's show that men are much, much faster over 100 meters than women.

That's why we separate the sexes. Same with 200 meters, same with 400 meters, same with 500 meters, same with 5,000 meters, same with 800 meters, same with 10,000 meters. That is why we separate the sexes. If you had men and women competing in the same Olympic track and field events, women would never win a medal again. How do you not know that?

Well, let me just say this. I think we can all agree that we want people to have equal opportunity to participate. I don't know that we know, frankly, just with transgender people participating in athletics, really how they would fare in competition. So I would like to be able to see full participation. and if it means having to put transgender people in a different type of division to see how they perform, we would do that.

As a principle, you would quite like to see a gender-neutral Olympics when it comes to L.A.? If the physicality of the sexes bear true to that, including with transgender people, yes, it should be gender-neutral. I don't think we know enough. You don't think we know enough about the relative physiology of men and women

to work out whether they should compete separately? Certainly when transgender people transition and there are participating in athletics, I think we need to know more. Would you like boxing to be gender neutral in the Olympics? No, of course not. Why not? Well, I'm not a boxing fan and I'm not a particularly big fan of the sport. It is high potential for injury and harm. Really? So, you, How did you feel about Imman Khalif, the Algerian boxer, competing in the Paris Olympics when Imam Khalif had failed to qualify for the world, or had been disqualified from the World Championships a year before

for testing positive for male chromosomes? I don't know much about boxing peers. I'm sorry. I don't have a view about it. Okay. Betty Yee. Thank you very much indeed for joining me. I appreciate it.

Well, let's go to Steve Hilton, Republican candidate for governor. Steve, welcome to Unsensitive. Sometimes I do an interview where I half wonder if I'm being set up, that somebody is answering in a way so deliberately ridiculous that it's part of a prank. But I don't think that was the case. Gender Neutral Olympics is Betty Yee's clarion call for L.A. It's amazing, isn't it, Piers?

I think we may just have seen another California Democrat candidate torpedo their campaign for governor. I mean, extraordinary. I'll just tell you very quickly where I stand on this. In terms of the Olympics, by the way, I think that it's the IOC that sets the participation rules and the California, the executive of the host city or state doesn't have a say, but I'll look into that. I'm talking to Caitlin Jenner, actually, a friend of mine, about all of these issues in relation to the Olympics. She's giving me great advice on that.

Who is, by the way, the most sensible voice on all of this? I mean, Caitlin, when Caitlin identified as a woman in transition, I remember Caitlin saying that she went to compete in her local golf club tournament, and they said she could now go off the women's teas. And she went, well, that would be ridiculous. I'm still six foot three or four. I still have the same physiology I have when I competed in the male decafalon and won gold medal. If I go off the women's teas, no woman could beat me.

And she just said, look, I'll go off the men's teas. It's fine. It's no big deal. That is a pragmatic, sensible way around all these. issues. But to hear somebody who wants to be the governor of California advocating for a gender neutral Olympics, thinking that track and field in particular is where women could compete fairly against men. I mean, completely insane. I was watching it. And it's almost like one of those reaction videos. You know, if someone was taping it in your team, it's like my jaw was literally dropping

and just short form. And as you, I mean, I think I almost said the same words that you did at the same time. What, 100 meters? Are you kidding? I mean, literally, I mean, against you, same bolt at his peak, for example. I know. A woman would literally barely be halfway down the track. It's insane. Look, what I do know, what I can do about this as governor, is go back to the origin of this insanity. And actually, it's a good example of the role that California has played, the negative role that has played across the country, because so many crazy far left things actually start in California and then spread to the rest of America

and then around the world. This all goes back to a piece of legislation. It's the law in California that biological boys have to participate have to be allowed to participate in girls' sports. It was passed in 2013, 12 years ago, AB1266. I've looked into it with my legal team.

The governor can't just ignore the laws, but actually where a piece of legislation violates the California state constitution, the governor can initiate a process of overturning it. And that's what I will do because this law violates the California constitution in two places. Section 28, which defends and protects safety in schools because you're seeing a lot of injuries as a result of this. And Section 31, which prevents gender discrimination. And this is obviously discrimination against girls.

So I'm confident that as governor I could actually overturn that law and bring some sanity back to this whole situation. You know, a couple of weeks ago, it looked like Katie Porter might be a bit of a shoe in. It now looks very different. I mean, I saw somebody on CNN, their stats guy, Harry, saying this was one of the biggest, fastest meltdowns he'd ever seen in an individual's polling to be a governor. I mean, absolute depth charge. Meanwhile, a recent poll by Zogby strategy shows you 6% ahead of her now. There's been a real shift here. Most people think it's impossible for a Republican candidate

like you to actually become governor in California. But is it? I mean, are you beginning to think that the porter meltdown has got a bit of momentum for you that could actually prevail? Look, Pizz, I've always said it's going to be very difficult. I'm under no illusions, but it's not impossible. And here's a couple of things. First of all, after this 15 years now of one-party rule in California,

Democrats have controlled that they've had the governor's office, the state legislature, they run all the big cities. There's no one else to blame, and the results are terrible. And it's not, and people around the world, obviously, the very visible problems of California misrule are very apparent, you know, the homelessness and the crime and so on. But actually, on a daily basis, everything else is even more of a disaster. Right now, we have the highest unemployment rate in all of America

and the highest poverty rate, the highest housing costs, the highest cost for gas, electricity, water, you name it, the worst business climate, everything's a disaster. And so you're seeing a majority now pretty consistently for the last two years or so. What a sizable majority you say the state's going in the wrong direction and we need change. So there's a majority for change. The question is, are people going to support a campaign from a Republican? And that's my argument that actually a non-ideological, positive, practical campaign,

that's what I'm running on, not divisive ideological issues, but simple practical things. cutting gas prices, cutting electric bills, especially cutting housing costs so you can afford a home of your own. I think it is possible. And you look at the other Democrats running, actually, although they haven't had the kind of meltdown, maybe we've just seen one with Betty Yee, as Katie Porter has, but they're all kind of the same thing. It's the same old machine politician that's come up through the ranks. They all tow the party line. They're controlled by the unions. I don't see anyone there who can actually offer the change that we so obviously need in California. And that's why I am confident that I can do it. I'm certain. I mean, the anger management issues with Katie Porter seem to go back a long way because her divorce papers resurfaced this week.

Her ex-husband, Matthew Hoffman, alleged that she dumped a bowl of steaming hot, boiled potatoes on his head, said she was prone to extreme anger, had a quote, history of snapping and screaming at him and the children, and would claw and scratch her arms while blaming him for the markings. he said that Porter wouldn't let him have a cell phone because she said, quotes, you're too effing dumb to operate it. And so it goes on. And then you see the clips of her screaming at Mustafa's for getting her shot.

You see the way she tried to deal with that journalist for asking perfectly reasonable questions that she'd asked of every candidate. And you get an impression of somebody who has a very short fuse, very arrogant, very entitled, and the consequence of all this colliding at the same time is a dramatic drop in her popularity. Do you think now, as Betty Ye said,

before she probably depth-charged her own campaign, do you think it's time that Katie Porter dropped out? Well, any normal person would say that, but what's been interesting, and it shows you how things operate with this Democrat machine in California, just in the last few days since this meltdown, you've seen day after day people coming out in support,

not people, organizations, the unions, to be precise. unions have come out and said, and I'm just telling you the kinds of things they're saying, we don't need someone who's polite, we need a fighter in California. Katie Porter's our fighter, she may not be the most polished, she may be not the most polite, but she's the, et cetera, right? So the unions are, you know, rolling in behind her. So I'm not sure that she will drop out, but I don't think there's any prospect that she's going to actually get to the... We have a system in California that's called the top two system.

So you don't have a Republican and a Democrat primary. Everyone's on the same ballot and the two top candidates go forward. Right now, all the polls show me as being one of the top two. Up until now, it's been Katie Porter. I think we're looking at another Democrat coming in, and it feels as if the machine is moving behind a guy called Alex Padilla, who is the current U.S. senator for California. Seems to me they're trying to recruit him almost to get into the race.

But my argument is it doesn't really matter who they put up. It is time for change in California. How can a Democrat come and clean up the mess that they made? And on balance, do you think Betty Yee may have to withdraw her candidorship after what we just witnessed? Well, again, there is a constituency for those views I'm sad to report here in California. But most normal people, I mean, even in California, the majority who think that biological boys should not compete in girls' sports is very large.

I think across the country, it's like 85, 90s. In California, it's 65, 70%, if I'm right, in remembering those numbers. So I think that, again, the activists and their real core of the Democrat machine will think that she did a good job, honestly, which is stunning, but that's how far things have gone off track. You know what, Steve? I've got a new book coming out called Woke is Dead, and I actually make the point it's not actually dead yet. It will keep popping up with outrageously ridiculous things that people are going to say and do. But the public tolerance of them is, rapidly diminishing. In other words, they're like weeds in a garden. When they pop up, they have to be dealt with.

I've got a feeling when Betty Yee sees the reaction to what she has said about the Olympics coming to California and how she would like it to be gender neutral, particularly in the 100 metres, the ridicule that is going to fall on her head is going to be such that I suspect her position as a candidate will become untenable pretty quickly. And that's because actually the woke ideology at its core is ridiculous. Exactly. And we've just seen a clear example of how ridiculous it can be. Steve Hilton, great to talk to you. Thank you very much. Pierce Morgan Unsencenton is proudly independent.

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