Piers Morgan Uncensored - Dylan Mulvaney: The Debate

Episode Date: March 20, 2024

Is Dylan Mulvaney a secret agent of the Trump campaign - sent to expose the utter lunacy of this cultural moment? That’s about the only thing that would make sense. On a more positive note, there are some truly inspirational women fighting the real fight for women’s rights and equality. Riley Gaines was thrust into the spotlight as the champion swimmer who was brave enough to speak out against Lia Thomas, the formerly male competitor who became a woman and began destroying the competition. Riley and 15 other female athletes are now suing the NCAA. They say it’s time to fight back. Riley joins Piers to discuss, along with Uncensored Contributor, Esther Krakue, Comedian James Barr & Host the Officer Tatum show, Brandon Tatum Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It's a difficult time to be a woman. There are pay gaps, workplace discrimination, the unrealistic ideals of the beauty industry, fueled by things like Instagram, toxic masculinity, the patriarchy. That's on top of the undoubted stress of raising families. And let's be honest, often making the lone voice of common sense in dysfunctional households across the world.

According to my wife, anyway. But fortunately, amid the fray, there are still some inspirational leading women out there fighting the good fight for equality and respect. but is, of course, Dylan Mulvaney, the Google Gemini version of a strong, independent woman. Dylan became a superstar by documenting her gender transition on TikTok, celebrating such core feminist ideals as cute fashion,

frolicking in meadows and falling in love with boys. This brave owed to 21st century womanhood earned Dylan the visit to the White House and an audience for President Joe Biden, not to mention a marketing campaign, but Bud Light, whose client base of extremely normal men revolted with such force that it costs a company more than a billion dollars.

Well, Dylan's pivot to pop music is, of course, much more of the same. It's pink, it's trashy, and here's a serious point. It's packed with misogynist tropes. Many people make the mistake of thinking that all criticism of Dylan Malvaney is transphobic. Of course, they did. That's the refuge of everyone who wants to shut down legitimate debate.

But Dylan's interpretation of womanhood is that all girls are lazy, depressed, promiscuous, over-medicated and addicted to shopping. She's made a very lucrative career out of saying all this stuff. corporate America and the actual President of the United States have decided that you, we should celebrate it. So we have, I think, a right to maybe raise a quizzical eyebrow. I have a few supplementaries. Does anyone really believe that Dylan Mulvaney is a positive role model?

For that matter, does anybody really think Dylan Mulvaney is a beautiful young woman? Is the entire act a joke at our expense? Is Dylan Mulvaney a secret agent of a Trump campaign sent to expose the utter lunacy of this cultural moment? certainly anything that would make sense. On a more positive note, there are some truly inspirational women fighting the real fight for women's rights and equality. Riley Gaines is one such woman.

She was thrust into the spotlight as a champion swimmer who was brave enough to speak out against Leah Thomas, the formerly pretty unsuccessful male swimmer, who became a woman and immediately began destroying women in women's sport. Well, Riley and 15 other female athletes are now suing the NCAA. They say it's time to fight back, and she's right. Well, joining me now to debate all that and much more is my PAC, the uncensored contributor Esther Cracko, the podcast of comedian James Barr,

the host of Outkicks Gaines for Girls podcast, an ambassador of the Independent Women's Forum, Riley Gaines, and the host of the Officer Tatum show, Brandon Tatum. Welcome to all four of you, a superpowered pack, all currently identifying, I believe, as their biological sex, although we can easily confirm that. Riley, great to have you on Uncensor. So we'll get to the legal action you have.

against the NCAA in a moment. But first of all, Dylan Mulvaney, my real problem with this is you've got somebody making an absolute ton of cash by it seems to me mocking women and womenhood despite until mid-20s identifying as a man because she was born a biological man. Well, it doesn't seem to me as a woman myself,

I can tell you that's exactly what Dylan Mulvaney is doing. He's made a killing on mocking woman with his stereotypical misogynistic comments, and you hit the nail on the head, this new song, right, reducing women down to picking up medication, being lazy, not being able to get out of bed, shopping and retail therapy, hooking up with men and being sex craze. Again, as a woman, I have not lived that lifestyle. So that's what this is. It's a mockery of a woman.

And let's be real, I think the most ironic part of this is he looks like a man. If you're watching that video, he looked like a man who was wearing. wearing a wig with pigtails. He's not fooling anybody. Brandon, I mean, it's complicated. I don't, you know, I have nothing but respect for people who transition, for transgender people. I want them to have the rights to fairness and equality. I'm all... Would have stopped money from misgendering, please. I'm going to come to that. That's clearly not true.

I didn't misgender her. No, but you would have stopped her from doing that on your program. Well, okay, we'll come to you in a moment, James. Let's wait. But Brandon, there's always issues, misgendering and so on. What do you make of the wider thing of of Dillan Mulvaney, this cultural phenomenon now in America, basically sending up what it means to be a woman. I think it's absolutely appalling to give credit and credence to a person who's mocking women.

Dillian Mulvaney, I don't think is serious whatsoever. You got a gay man who has a lust for fame, fortune, and what does he do? If being gay is not working out for you, you become trans, and you try to make a lot of money, which is what Dillamovani has. done. Dylan Mulvaney is not an example of women. He's not even trying to be a woman. He walks around with a five o'clock shadow and dresses up in women's clothes and mocks women.

He's berating women. I have never in my life seen a woman act like Dylan Mulvaney. Not one person on this panel can show me a woman that's this flamboyant and radical and twitching and twisting and acting like Dylan Mulvaney. Are you insane? Did you watch the Barbie movie? What are you talking about? What are you to talk about? Who are you to talk about? Who are is. Real life. This is absolutely nonsense. Who are you to talk about that?

I'm not telling anyone who a woman is, but I'm certainly not telling someone who isn't a woman. I've never seen a woman. Do you think Dillam Maldane is doing women a favor with this? Do you know what? Dillam Mavini is speaking to a huge

generation of which none of you understand. Like, you guys are over. That is my generation. I don't know any woman. I've got to say of any age who thinks of anything of the Dillan Maldveni is taking abyss.

Nonsense. So you don't know any woman under the age of what? 40? And they also have been under 40. Right, and you think they all think Dylan is taking the piss? Yes, I do. No, that's insane.

You know what I will say. You've sat here on your show and you've bashed Madonna and Sam Smith and all of these other icons. So Dylan just joins. They're not to me. Dylan just joins them in the hall of the shame. But the central allegation, James, is that what she does, and I think this video clip is absolutely indicative. It's a pop song. Have you not seen to do a leaf music video?

To me, I don't even, I haven't got the energy to get into the mystery. gendering debate, right? I think the whole personal pronoun thing is a lot of crap. But for the benefit of this conversation, let's move past that. I'll call her she, if that's what she wants to be called. But what she is not is a biological woman. Until her mid-20s, she identified as a gay man. And that's the point there that Brandon was making. And for someone who was a gay man to put their hand up and say, I'm now a woman, and by the way, I'm going to make tens of millions... Well, you're misunderstanding what?

Hang on, hang on. So I make tens of millions of dollars mocking women. Which is how many women see it. I think that is... ...was mocking women or Kylie was mocking women or Madonna was mocking women just because they're expressing their femininity. They're women. It's not okay to say that. And you're misunderstanding how difficult it is to discover your identity as a woman if you are.

I don't see Dylan Mulvaney struggling at all. Dylan Mulvaney has documented... Dylan Mulvaney is reveling in mocking womanhood. No. Well, actually, the thing is I don't think Dylan Mulvaney... I don't take offense to what Dylan Mulvaney is doing because it makes sense. In the current media landscape that we live in,

it makes sense for this man, it's a man, to become as flamboyant, effectively caricature of a woman. And I don't take offense to it because I treat Dillam Mald-Borveni like he is, which is a mentally unwell person. He is a mentally unwell person. I don't see him as a woman. He's not a woman.

He's a mentally unwell person. In a case like this, where Dillam Maldon is only identified as a woman for what, two years and was a gay man until the mid-20s. I don't think you... But do you... Do you realize that Dylan... James, I don't think you have any right to compel women to say that this is a woman.

Do you understand how difficult it is to realize that you're trans, to understand the complex... Sure. And how does this help them? You have trans. How does this help? Do you know that it is difficult to find your identity and that people accidentally... Riley has a very good reporter. We've discussed this before. Hang on, Riley.

It doesn't make you right. You mentioned you have no idea how difficult it is to identify as trans. Let me ask you, do you have any idea how difficult it is to be a woman? in today's climate. And then to be entirely mocked by a man merely posing to be a woman. Do you have any idea? That is not true. How do you know? Well, it's not just how I feel. There's been an avalanche of people on TikTok on the left and the right coming out now saying, hold on, this is wrong. And this isn't the first time that Dylan Mulvaney has been under fire. His first days of girlhood, he came out after day 365 or whatever day it was.

You can't compel people to do that. You can't. No, you can't. You can call Dylan Mulvaney. It's discrimination. You can call Dylan Malvaney whatever you want. It's discrimination. Riley, Gaines, of all people. And listen, Riley, I do sympathize with you about how difficult it is. You know what?

Riley, I want to listen to how difficult it is to be a woman because I want to understand that. I know that's tough. As a gay man, I'm also a victim of the patriarchy. We all bloody are. Look, we don't need to do the idea of politics. Let me tell you something. You mentioned. I've read the book.

I understand. You mentioned discrimination. You being a woman. You mentioned discrimination. Let me tell you something. Do you believe that it's okay? No one's allowing me to finish a point. What's your point? I'm going to speak.

Sure. I can't. Okay, fine. I finished. What's your point? Have we got one? My point, no, my point is, Riley, that I understand how hard it is to be a woman and that you fought so hard to be a woman.

And I have so much empathy with that. So I can understand why it is so upsetting when in your view, someone who isn't a woman comes along and says they are because it undermines all of the history of what women have been through. But that's not a trans woman's fault. That is men's fault. Men are the problem, not Dylan, not trans women.

Except, exce. No, lying about objective. Men are the, of course, I knew, we would come back to us. That is what the problem is. Are you saying it's not? Let me tell you something. You, you know, men. Because what are we talking about?

She's a victim of biological men. are not really globally what we're in suffering forever have been a victim of men that is truth no she's a victim of gay man here let me take you back let me tell you what I'm a victim do you know what let's just pick on all the minorities

let me say Megan is a gay man that's doing this you think Megan's a minority I am so done with this conversation let me tell you let me tell you what I am a victim of control everyone's thought no I don't I just want everyone to have a nice civilized conversation here's speech

why is how they speak and how they refer to people. They're not allowed to have their opinions. Only you. You want a man-slain to women what they should be thinking. And at the same time, you want to blame the patriarchy. I want everyone to be kind to everyone. Oh, no, you don't. Yes, I do. Stop right there.

It is not kind. It is not kind. It is not kind to ask a young girl to undress in front of a man. That is not what kindness is. And if that's what you believe your definition of kindness is, you have a totally warped perception. And let me tell you, it's not inclusive to ask a, girl like myself what happened to me and my teammates, it's not inclusive to ask us to

smile and step aside and allow these men onto our podiums. That is not what inclusion is. That is exclusion and it's exclusive to the very female athletes or women in general who Title IX in the women's sporting category was passed to protect and to honor and to celebrate and to uphold. And Riley, for those who... So Riley, for those who... Riley, for those who don't know what's going on with the NCAA, the National Collegiate Athletic Association in America, you're one of many athletes, female athletes, suing them for their transgender participation policy. Why? Yeah, so basically the NCAA, their most basic duties are to protect athletes, both male and female,

to protect their opportunities, to protect their safety, to protect their privacy in areas of addressing. And bottom line is the NCAA is failing on every account of that. by allowing men into our fields, onto our courts, in the pool with us, in our locker rooms. So that's what this lawsuit is about. That's what we're hoping to change here. So again, myself plus 15 other athletes who have been adversely impacted at the hands of the NCAA are now taking legal action and saying what they are doing explicitly and actively and directly is discriminating against us on the basis of our sex.

And so to your point, if we want to talk about discrimination, that's exactly what my teammates and myself and my competitors and girls around the country, again, at the east. hands of the NCAA continue to have happened. But you're also discriminating. But what about lesbians? Are they allowed in your changing rooms? They're biological women. No, but you're talking about women.

They're women. You're worried about women seeing your body? I didn't mention nothing about. No, no. What I have a problem with is I don't want to see a naked man's genitalia. I'm married. I have a husband. You think my husband wants me seeing another naked man

while he also gets to simultaneously, non-consensually at that, get to see me naked? No way. That goes against my values as a Christian. that goes against my values as a married woman. No way. That's what I have a problem with. It has nothing to do with his sexual orientation.

I don't know if Thomas likes men or women or what. Right. I want to play a clip, Riley. This is you on Joe Rogan 12 days ago, which you talked about another aspect of the Leah Thomas story. Does Leah Thompson have sex with girls? Leah Thomas, rather. Yeah.

At the time, again, this is what I know based off of what his teammates have told me. and what really has been public knowledge based off what they post and different things. At the time of that national championships, he was still dating women and active with women. Sexually. So obviously has testosterone. Yes. But now, again, based off of social media, he is engaged to another man who claims to be a woman. So two men, but they call themselves lesbians. So, who knows?

But at the time. So if you're on that team, you're a woman and you have a biological male who's intact, who's having sex with women, walking around naked in the locker room with women. And if you're uncomfortable with that, you should educate yourself. You said it. And learn how to use she, her pronouns and accept defeat. Esther, do you feel educated? I feel the opposite. that I actually feel myself losing brain cells.

I actually thought my brain was going to leak through my nose, realizing Leah Thomas or Liam Thomas, or whatever the name is, dating history. Look, I don't think, the reason why I don't get as worked up or upset about this is because I recognize society's flaw. They have given mentally unwell people the status of being right. They've given the status of validating their delusions. And in other ways, compelling us to validate those delusions.

I'm not offended by Dylan Mulvaney. It doesn't offend me because this is a mentally unwell person. Why should I be offended that this person is tropelling? I actually think a lot of conservative stations make the mistake of giving people like Dylan Mulvaney the publicity that he craves. Because I'm not going to sit here and pretend like I'm looking at a mentally well person. That's a lie. I'm not going to do that. You're gatekeeping womanhood, which is the most manly thing you could possibly do. You want me to start mis-Generies. You were educated at the expense of the British tax.

You were educated at the expense of the British taxpayer and you don't know the difference between a man and a woman. Are you serious? You cannot compel people. I'm not compelling people, but I want people to be kind. I am kind. You're just calling her mentally unwell. He is mentally unwell. That's very unkind.

Everyone on this panel so far is at zero empathy for any of the people we're discussing. You don't want to hear other people's opinions. You don't want to hear other people's opinions. Yeah, Brandon, come in to you. Everyone has an opinion. You may not like the opinion, which is fine. But where's the love?

I don't agree with you. It doesn't matter. It's not lying. That's your, you. You think love is lying to people and deceiving people. I think love is telling people the truth and being consistent across the board. Dillianovaney is crazy. Where's the dignity?

Let me tell you. Let me tell you this. Let's put this in perspective. Let's put this in perspective. Where's the respect? Because I think people get caught up in the gender role thing. Just imagine if a person was white and decided to identify as black and did all of these crazy things that they thought.

This argument has been had so many times. Listen, that they did stereotypically what black people would do. We would be outraged. It would be a sham. I agree. We would not accept it. And so we shouldn't do that. What Dillian Mulvaney is doing is wearing women face.

The person is not a woman. He's not trying to be a woman. He's impersonating negative perceptions of a woman. I can't continue to sit here listening to this absolute nonsense. Riley, I want to ask you a question because a lot of this is to do with sport and how you feel it's unfair because you're up against people with a bigger body, right? So do you think it's unfair that someone who's taller than you or has more strength than you can be in the same team? the argument we're making is that was unfair right man the chromosomes but i'll let riley answer that

the conclusion you're drawing let's look at this for what it is a man on average you take any sport you take track and field you take swimming swimming is with a sport i played let's look at swimming across the field consistently if you look at the world record against the men on the men's side versus the world record on the women's side consistently that athletic performance gap is 10 to 12 percent someone being a few inches taller than me does not does not make up for that 10 to 12% performance gap. We're talking about by having a man competing against a woman. Of course, there are natural advantages

that people possess. But what we're talking about specifically here is beyond comparison to what the conclusion you're drawing right now. The conclusion of drawing is that we should just get with a gender altogether and we should have sports based on body metrics. You would like to have the Olympic Games. Just to be clear, the Olympic Games, you'd have gender neutral. Yes, it would because the only...

Oh, don't be so ridiculous. The only reason, right, surely you agree, the only reason women's sport exists is because men were gatekeeping sport for so long and then finally said, you know what, fine, have your own. But really, if we just remove gender. How many biological women? If we remove gender from sports, please let me finish my point, then we won't have this issue safe. So, I'm sorry. We can make sure that everyone has a fair chance. That is so.

Insane. James, that is so spectacularly ill-informed and dumb. Well, is it, Riley? Wait, are you saying we should- Are you saying- neutral Olympics. No biological women. Okay. Okay. You're missing my point. Let me just had a point here.

Are you saying that we should get rid of men and women sports altogether? That has similar body types, body metrics, bone index. That makes no sense. You clearly have never played sports before. Are you saying that we should get rid of sporting categories all together and have just one big pool? No, I'm saying people should compete against people that have a similar body type so that is fairer? That makes no sense. You've never played sports before.

It never has. If you're saying that's what we're talking about. As you're saying race and best. I've come up with a solution for the problem that doesn't exist. No, you haven't. You just don't understand it. There is no comparison

between the bone density and body mass of males and females. That's why they separate the sexes in sport. That's not why they separate the sexes. If they separate the babies, there's a biological male. There's a reason they separate them. Track it back. If you're saying that we should get rid

of sporting categories, all together, do you support the idea of eliminating the Paralympics versus the Olympics? I think that's a really great question. Oh, my God. I need to look into that as you say. The conundrum. Paralympians to compete against your Olympics. I would imagine not.

To be honest, you are a total. But maybe that's the point. Maybe that's the point. The point is you never play sport. That's very, you see, able-phobic. Hang on, hang on. That is incredibly able-cobics. I don't know.

Time out. Time out. I want to ask Jay's one simple question. I don't know anything about sports. James, have you ever played sport at all? No, of course I haven't played sport. Do I look like a person that's into sport? What he wants is Paralympians taking on Olympics. No, I don't want that.

I want everyone to be safe. I want everyone to be happy. I want everyone to be treated with dignity. James. All right. Actually, you don't. You want unfairness and inequality to rage and ruin women's sport irrevocably. You just had to go at me about that.

You've just said a load of crap. Well, so have you. No, I haven't. Yes, you have. I understand physiology and sport. Well, good for you. You don't. Good for you.

Good for you. But you don't. but you don't understand loving a human being. We wouldn't be having all of this conversation. I understand it enough. I've got three sons and a daughter, and they don't place four together in a fair way. Where's the dignity of respect?

We wouldn't be having it. Wait, let's move on. I want to discuss a couple of other things before we finish. One is Oprah Winfrey. We may even get some agreement on this. We might do. Oprah Winfrey's fought back tears because she was basically caught taking

these weight loss drugs, a Zempick, I think. She said it stopped her blaming herself for being unable to control. her body shape with Wilper. Of course, she was the front woman for Weight Watchers and had to give that up, but when she was caught not actually doing anything the Weight Watchers tells her to do,

but basically taking a tablet to lose weight. I want to play the clip of Oprah talking about this. I took on the shame that the world gave to me. For 25 years, making fun of my weight was national sport. And then I read the headline that Mr. Blackwell, the tastemaker of the table, called me bumpy, lumpy, and downright dumpy. Because when I tell you how many times I have blamed myself

because you think I'm smart enough to figure this out and then to hear all along, it's you fighting your brain. Now, the point Esther about this is I'm afraid. I like Oprah, known her a bit over the years, but she was caught basically defrauding the world, right? Because she was a spokeswoman for Weight Watchers, and yet quietly and secretly,

and denied it, actually, she was taking one of these weight-lost drugs. We think it may have been a Zempeg. It was something similar if it wasn't. But she was just caught. Well, she's playing the same game that all celebrities do. She's following the money.

You would never hear her talking about this if there wasn't a paycheck at the end of it. So I don't actually begrudge her for this. What I do begrudge her for is trying to play the victim and saying that I've taken on the burdens that the world has put on me. It's my fault. your fault. You choose what goes into your mouth and how much exercise

you do. I don't believe invalidating people's, and this goes back to the dilemma of any people's delusions. Things are black and white. Your actions related to your weight are directly because of what your diet and lifestyle. And I'm sorry, you can't blame anyone for that. You can sign a 12 million pound check and advertise

for Ozempic if you want to, but don't lie to the public or pretend like we're stupid. Yeah, Brandon, I mean, to me it was the deceit and the hypocrisy. And I think it's been pretty damaging to Oprah this. I know amount of her tears, pretty crocodile tears, I think. No amount of that is going to change my view that on this one, she really pulled a fast one on the public. And in particular, all those women

that looked up to her and were following what they thought she represented, weight watchers, and their guide to how you lose weight, when in fact she was popping these pills secretly behind everyone's back. This is what they do. You know, she only cried when she got caught. She didn't cry when she was taking those Zimbic pills or whatever the case may be. And then they try to change language. She says she can't change her body shape. Yeah, nobody can change your body shape, but you can change your body weight,

depending on what you eat. Are you in the caloric deficit or not? Are you working out or not? But she was saying she was working out. Giving these young women false hope, and she did it to them, she should be ashamed of herself. But instead of taking responsibility,

which I would have said, fine, you took responsibility. We know people cheat, people do stuff. She made it about her and became the victim. Lady, nobody's putting pressure on you about your weight. That only comes from within. I don't care how much I wait. If I don't care how much I wait, that's on me. They don't have nothing to do with society. So she should be ashamed of herself, but this is what celebrities do. They only cry when they get caught. Yeah. Riley, your thought, Summers? Look, I don't really have a problem with someone taking OZMPIC. There's been a lot of people

in my life, people who I know in love, who have resorted to OZMPIC, people who I know work hard. I know they exercise. I know they try and eat right, all the things, who had a heart. Who had a harder time losing weight and they've been able to keep the weight off with olympics so i i mean you know not necessarily my cup of tea but by all means i guess um as long as you know looking at long-term effects and different things i don't think we know those yet again why i would never participate and granted i'm healthy i'm fit i'm active so i don't have a problem with ozimic but just as you all said i have a problem with deceiving uh the public you know getting people to buy in wholeheartedly um into this program into to what she's trying to sell here which again bottom line what she's

trying to do, is trying to sell something. That's what I have. Okay, let me come and see if we can finally reach a point of consensus, because not even you, James Barr, surely, could say that what Oprah's done here is honorable, has integrity, or isn't anything other than a massive deception. This is a woman who's had to live with so much shame about her body for her whole life. So she's evicted. And now you are trying to give her more shame.

Yeah. What the hell is wrong with you horrible trolls? Wow. Leave Oprah alone. Oh, my God. Who cares? She's committed to lying. Yes, what?

Oprah was being paid tens of millions to promote wait watches. You know what? No, what this really is is that you still are angry at Oprah for destroying your beloved royal family by sitting down with Megan and Harry and it's just a lazy attack.

Oprah did my first show at CNN couldn't have been nicer to me. I've always gone on great with Oprah. What a backstabbing bitch you are because she said it. Hey, hey, James, be kind. I thought who was supposed to be nice. You're not being kind here.

This is Mr. kindness. If you punch down, I'll punch back. I will punch back. Here he is. Mr. Bekind. You backstabing little bitch. Sorry, did you just do a gay impression in me?

Because that's very humble impression. No, that's what you said on. I didn't even know you were gay. Sure you didn't. Your sexual action doesn't interest me. Finally, I want to end with this. James Bond. Apparently, the person tipped to be the new James Bond

is Aaron Taylor Johnson, who is, well, famously, he's married to a director who is, 24 years older than him. He took her name when they got married. He's a kale eater. I mean, all of this is ringing alarm bells to me, I must say.

He says, I'm being a feminist, I'm happy to say I'm a feminist. Being a feminist who's just believing in equal rights, man, woman, gay, straight, black, white, all in it together. So we've got a kale-eating guy with curly hair who took his wife's name. Riley, where do we sit with this? I don't know if this is a good representation of James Bond. but look, hey, I can honestly say I'm not a huge James Bond fan.

I don't know if I'm the most qualified to talk on this, but I do know that's not a good representation of who James Bond. The thing is, the thing, the thing is, I obviously, here's the thing, actors are not required to stay in character

when they're not on set. I'm told he's a very good actor. That being said, I suspect some of his beliefs will filter into the film because the last James Bond film, Daniel Gray, was crying. So I suspect he's waiting to do.

I'm just not sure I can have a kale eating James Bond. Many of the Dutch eat kale actually. It's quite popular gender roles so heavily. What's wrong with someone eating kale? Because it suggests they may have vegan tendencies. What's wrong with that? Can't have a vegan. They're trying to save the planet.

They mean they're soft. They mean they're soft. That's what it comes down after. They mean they're soft. You know, I believe in a man's man. I don't really like these feminine guys who go out. Cale is fiber. God.

Men too need fiber. They don't see, I know it's so. It's okay to E-Fiber. I'm just saying the insinuation that the guy got curly hair. He looked like a softie. Yeah. He was trying to play James Bond. There ain't no real man. Listen, even the, even a gentleman on here that caused himself gay, there is no situation that you have caused himself gay. What is wrong with you? I have sympathy for the people in the comments right now. They're like, what is going to be? Brandon, to be fair, we don't actually know whether this guy is going to be James Bond. One thing we can say with absolute cast eye uncertainty is that Barbara, Barbara Broccoli will not be appointing James Barr as the next 007. Maybe she should. Because there is a limit to what kind of man's man we want as 007 and it ain't James Barr.

Thank you to my panel. That was very lively. It's also not you, Pear. We definitely kept it on sense. Riley, keep up the great work. Go win that case. Let's get some fairness and equality back to women's sport. You've taken a lot of heat for your position on this.

And I'm 100% behind you. It is the new form of doping. Thank you, Chris. It is blatant cheating. Insanity. And women's sport and the integrity of the sport is being destroyed of the altar of wokeery and virtue signaling.

Riley, I send you love. And you are a shining light of courage. Oh, God's sake. So thank you very much. Well, thank you. Thank you, Pierce. I agree it is insanity. Yeah.

Thanks, Brandon. I'm sending you all love. I'm getting the same respect. Remember, be kind, your little bit. Let's stop validating. Let's leave it. Let's stop. Let's stop validating.

It's all my fault. It's not. It's not. It's not. It's not. I've always been like that. Thank you very much, everyone.