Piers Morgan Uncensored - Exclusive: Ed Sheeran's Cousin Jethro Brands Him a 'Snake' & 'Coward'

Episode Date: September 25, 2026

Ed Sheeran’s cousin Jethro Sheeran launches an astonishing attack on the Shape of You singer, branding him a “snake” and “coward” following the backlash over Macklemore being booted from his tour. In this exclusive interview with Piers Morgan, Jethro claims his megastar relative instructed his lawyers to remove a back catalogue of music they’d written together and says “80%” of the family stands by the blistering attacks he’s put against Ed on social media and in this very show. Piers Morgan asks the questions everyone’s thinking, including whether Jethro is jealous of his cousin’s success in the music industry... watch to see how it unfolded! (00:00:00) Introduction (00:01:45) Macklemore controversy (00:04:00) ‘Ed’s a coward’ (00:05:20) Is Jethro jealous of Ed’s success? (00:14:00) Jethro’s views on Israel/Palestine (00:14:55) Would Jethro have dropped Macklemore if he was Ed? (00:17:15) Jethro Sheeran RAPS (00:20:55) Jethro accuses Piers of being ‘bitter’ (00:21:34) Piers asks Jethro how he thinks the interview went Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

I'm feeling all of my friends and family and people I know abandoned me. I'm at Jethro Sheeran, he's Edward Sheeran. With both Shirans, we're cousins. Seeing what he did to MacLamore, I believe that he kicked him off that shirt because I've witnessed him being a coward for almost 10 years and lying. He's very talented and people think I'm jealous, jealous of what? His looks, his guitar. I don't hate him at all. I wish him the best and I really do.

Sounds like you really do hate it. I was very, very brave not to respond to Ed because he was doing all this on Tick sort of putting his hands down his trousers putting his fingers in bins you're the kind of prince harry of the whole thing aren't you sticking into your family right when i first started this rapping shit i felt pressure from haters became evaded with sedes and just developed a heater radar made for the stars kept my grind in the dark can i be honest man i like ed sheer in music what you just did to me is illustrate why he's a global superstar and you're not but he he rapped exactly that you ever watched the office uh you're going to say i'm the david brent

music. A bit, yeah. Yeah. I think you're a bit silly yourself. Well, Ed Sheeran returned to the stage at the weekend. His first performance since the McLemore Free Palestine controversy became a global debate. Here's what he told the crowd. I'm feeling all of my friends and family and people I know abandoned me and I look at the end of the week and I see 50,000 people who haven't abandoned me. Well, many have speculated that Ed's friends and family reference may have been about his former collaborator and cousin, Jeffrey Sheeran, who berated the singer as a coward on social media. It's a feud that maybe even the UN might struggle to settle.

But let's have a go. Jeff Rochiren joins me now. Well, Jesser, welcome to Unsensitive. Thank you very much for having me. It's a pleasure. I'm a big fan of your show. Thank you. Just for those who don't know the exact relationship,

your first cousins, your fathers are brothers. Exactly that. And in the early days, you were both musicians and you had a good relationship. Yes. How would you categorize it? I was living in Bristol, I was making hip-hop music, he was doing more folk-y guitar stuff. We came together, we joined forces to make a label called Urban Angel, which I have still today. And we were performing together, and we kind of, I took him on stage for the first time.

I took him to the studio for the first time. And then he just kind of went his own way. You know, he was doing all my shows and supporting me there. and then he kind of went and just blew up and then just completely left everything that we built behind. But not only that took everything down, 48 songs, many that he wasn't featured on from Spotify and Apple, blamed his manager, blamed his lawyers and his record label. And then my lawyer finally got a response saying, Edith Trin requested and instructed us to take down these songs. So of course, I was very disappointed in him.

And seeing what he did to Macklemore, I believe that he kicked him off that show. I believe he did it with his team. And then he blamed the promoter. And the promoter went, he did a Scooby-Doo. Like, it was you. I mean, we don't have evidence for that. And it's clear that Robert... It's my only personal opinion.

Right. I mean, Robert Kraft, who was the owner of the stadium, has not denied that it was him saying, along with other stadium owners, we're not going to allow these shows to happen with Matlabel. But you think it was Ed Shearish. I do think that because he's done it to Wiley. There's evidence and, you know, he's dropped Wiley in back in the day.

There's evidence on one extra where Wiley's whiling out on BBC Radio. He left scorched. The whole grime scene myself, we built him up and he turned his back on all of us. When you hear him say that, you know, he's been let down by family and friends, a lot of people said, well, he's probably talking about you. Maybe. Because you came out and you did criticize him. publicly, you called him a coward.

Yeah, I do. I mean, if there's someone who's your cousin to publicly brand him on social media, a coward, it's a very strong thing to do. Yeah, it's because I've witnessed him being a coward for almost 10 years and lying. And that's just my own truth. I'm here to tell the truth, and it's my truth

and my experience is with him. And I believe he's done the same to Wiley, and that's why Wiley has his own reef with him, and I also think he's done the same to MacDor Moore. So I commented, I think it was a coward move for him to do it, blame the promoters, and then the promoter turn around and say, well, and then Maclemore himself said, Ed kicked me off the tour, and now Ed said that he begged him to come on the tour.

And he just turns his back, and I think he just wants anything to gain here for himself. And I'm his first blood cousin, and he's done so much bad things he's written. When did she last talk to him? I don't even remember, but it's many years. How many years? Six, seven or something, so it's been a long time. But you were close? We were pretty close, yeah.

But early on, I saw the snake in him, And, you know, he was, he's very talented. And people think I'm jealous, but jealous of what? His looks, his guitar. Well, people say that because obviously Ed's become a global superstar. Yeah. He sold 200 million plus records worldwide, 14 UK number ones, four Grammys, a net worth of nearly half a billion pounds now.

Yeah. And they say, look, by contrast, you have obviously had a far less successful career. And actually, what's behind all this is jealous. But it's not at all because I don't see success. as fame and money, its fulfillment, success, is happiness within. And I have that. I have, I own my own songs.

I've got a 560 songs, a massive catalog. I have creative control, I have my own record label. I'm just about signed to Universal Records. I'm very happy with my life. I do not want to sing songs. I'm not into his music. I'm a rapper, I'm a hip-hop artist, and I'm not jealous. Jealous of what?

Money? I don't, I'm not money motivated. What, goodness of record sales, fame, fortune? No, doesn't follow me. I've got songs with two-packed. with Snoop Dog with, you know, I've got one coming out with Bob Marley. These are the type of people, Bob Dylan, Bob Marley, too. How have you done a song with Bob Marley? He's dead.

Yeah, because that's another story. But there's some tapes been found in a hotel. There's another story. But there's some tapes that have been found from three performances from the rainbow, something in the 70s. And there's some songs that have... And you're going to do what with them? Produce them and go to Jamaica with his family.

I've got a number one billboard in America. If you look on Wikipedia, I'll tell you that. I've had great success. And number one, with Damian Marley, Stephen Marley's sons. I'm speaking to this state. I know Moprim Shakur. Two-packed Shakur. I've got a tattoo here.

They gave me permission with Universal. Have you been so successful? How wealthy are you? I'm wealthy in heart. So I'm not going to speak about how... But if you've been as successful as you're telling me, you would be wealthy. The Daily Mail said that I was living in a box room with my mum.

No, it was Brexit. I had pneumonia. I had a three-bedroom. house in Denmark. I've been living in Denmark seven years. I had a range rover. I had my daughter living with me. How wealthy are you today as we sit here? I don't want to talk about my financial. I'm here to defend myself from the hate. You're betraying yourself as the reason, one of the reason is you're not jealous of his money is that you've been very successful. Why would I be jealous of his money? Because it's like I don't need five cars, two yachts, six houses, whatever.

I mean, I honestly don't. Why are you reluctant to say how well off you are? Well, what, okay, my castle is probably worth about 1.6 million. Really? Yeah. Who's valued at that? Duetti. These are your songs? All of them. I own 100%. Ed owns none of his songs. I own 100%.

So why do you care about what he's doing? Because I think he's a coward. Why is he a coward? He's moved on to... Well, you said it yourself. You just said yourself that he's a coward, didn't you? No, I was reading out what you said. No, but you said he was a coward

and you said that speech that he made, which was crocodile tears. And he's not actually... I haven't called him a coward. Other people have. No, sorry, you didn't call him a coward. That's right. But you did say that that was a poor... You've called him a selfish individual

with malicious cunning ways. Yeah. You said he mocked your mental health. He did. He did. He did. Can I speak, tell you why? Sure.

Yeah. So there's a song called A Little Bit More. If you actually go into that song and listen to it, that song's about me. And it talks about, he just flipped it. It's quite clever because he was saying, move out your dad's house. And my brother, he was talking about a sister in it. He says, we're going to die someday. Until that day you die, I will hate you just a little bit more.

I will hate you, hate you, hate you, hate you. So for him to have it, even if it wasn't about me, it's just the most hateful songs. So listen to those lyrics and see why I responded the way I have. And I have my own reply and it's called eject and it's coming out in two weeks. And that's where really my kind of talent is to speak back on it of how he's treated me and others. And there's a history of the way... What do the rest of your family think of what you've done here? A lot of them.

I mean, when he instructed Warner... What is your dad thing? Is he still with us? Yeah, I just spoke to him recently. What does he think about it? He wants to stay out of it. He actually told me that I was very, very brave not to respond to Ed because he was doing all this on TikTok, singing that song,

putting his hands down his trousers, putting his fingers in bins, doing that to me, basically. And he mocks my mental health. I suffered from PTSD from a very bad trauma from years ago. I've got ADHD, hence I'm talking very fast. So I apologize for that. But, you know, this is my truth. And I just follow one person, and that is Jesus.

and I believe in God and I tell the truth and I'm not jealous of his money and or I mean the Telegraph reported that you had previously accused Ed of using you to get a toehold in music. He did. And then ditching him when he became successful. He did. But they also said that over the summer you waded in on speculation England football team were underwhelmed when they visited their training camp. You said on Instagram, absolutely no hate. Wish my Cuzz the best. They definitely chose the wrong Sheehan to play this gig. Yeah. Wish my Cuzz the best. I mean, But I do wish him the best because the thing is, right. You don't really. You're calling him a nasty, malicious, cunning coward.

He is that. But also, I wish that kind of guy the best. Because his success will trickle down to my own. Because everyone, when he's number one, everyone searches. The thing is, people think... You're benefiting from his success. No, together we are, because we have songs together, right? I'm a Jeff Roe Sheareran, he's Edward Shearan. We've got a song together with both Shirans, we're cousins.

We've got the song together. Why wouldn't I promote it with Ed's year? And everything saying you're writing his coach. But all you respect, Jess, I've not been funny, but I mean, there is a grand canyon-sized gap between Ed's success and yours. Great. What's your point?

Because my point is... I'm not jealous of that gap. I'm very... The cousin of mine went public, you know, particularly when I was going through a really tough time. I speak out. I'm open. I've got a big heart.

I can't... He is a coward because he won't admit. I found out he lied to me about... taking down my songs. He did a massive Scooby-Doo, and when you point your finger, three, you're pointing back at yourself, and he was pointing all the blame with everyone else. So maybe you're just not good enough. Maybe, what? Maybe that's why he's so successful. If I'm not good enough, and you're not. Okay, why is he rapping my lyrics? Why I've written all his songs? And if I'm not bad, he's written all his songs. Not his own songs. His first album,

he actually says he's me. Look it up. SBT, V, his first thing he thinks, sir. You're sounding very bitter about it. I'm not bitter at all. It's just I'm a passionate. But he says, I'm a lonely star because I'm not bitter about him. I wish him the best. I really do. I don't hate anyone. Why do you think with Mac Lamont? I think you want me to feel bitter.

It seems like you're saying there's this big gap. But say what, there's a big gap between you and whoever. Who? I don't know, whoever. Who? A small journalist. A small journalist? A journalist anywhere.

There's a big gap there. But do you care? Does he care about you? You obviously care about your cousin? I what? You obviously care about Ed, very, very, very, very. I care about him, the truth. That's why I care about the truth. Your version of the truth. He would obviously say something different. Exactly, you're right. My version.

Is your view about him being a coward that he didn't speak out about the issue that Macklemore was talking about? My issue and my comment saying he's a coward is because he dropped Maxwell. You don't know that, do you? You're guessing that. He's done it so many times. Right, but that doesn't mean... But I know him. You don't. I've grew up with him since I was a child. So I've had so many experiences. But my point is you don't actually know he dropped Macklam. Nor do you. No, but at the moment, there's no evidence to suggest he did. I'm saying he did. Right.

That's my point. And Macklemore said he did. What is... You've got someone that knows Ed, who's a family member, and you've got their actual person saying it. So what's the likelihood that he did? How many of your family agree with you? I don't know.

I've got a massive family of a big Irish family. All of my mother's side agree with me. How many in the family, roughly? on one side. And how many on the other? Maybe 25 or something. So, 85 of those, how many agree with you? Probably 80%. 80% of the sheer family.

And you can see that on my social media because they stick up for me because it's the truth. 80% of the family don't like it and agree with you. No, no, I'm saying. They just agree what he did to me was bad. And the song that he wrote about me, even if it wasn't about me, it's a disgusting song, Hate, Hate, Hate, Hate, and wishes me

making fun of mental health and highlighting that to the world. He's the one that started it, so I'm replying. So he's the one that fired. But, you know, I'm not jealous of him. Do you think I want to look like him, play his guitar, sing like him? No, I don't need his money. I don't want any of that.

I'm just passionate about it. You are sticking it to him publicly, and you are his flesh and blood. You're a cousin. I know, because that's exactly my point. So we raise him in this. You're the kind of Prince Harry of the whole thing, aren't you? Sticking it to your family, right? What's that, sorry?

Sticking it to your family in public. People don't like that. I don't care. If they don't like it, it's my truth. And I believe in one person. What is your view about Israel? I'm not a politician. I'm here to, you know, if I was a farmer, I'm up out of fires. I'm not a politician. So if you've been Ed and Maclomwell was your support act, it came out.

I, Ed knew that two months in, before Maxmore came on his tour, he knew exactly what that show was going to be about. Bogeda or whatever, they're the most biggest band, pro-Palestine band. But what would you have done? done if you'd been him would you have dropped macnall then before the tour i would have had a conversation with him i wouldn't have been put myself in that place in the beginning so what would you have done stop my tour you'd have stopped the whole tour if would you have would you have would you have allowed i'm i'm down here so what you said two months before what tour are you talking about if i was him or if i his current tour and i was ed what would i do if you were ed and maclomore was

your support act would you have allowed him to be your support act no because i don't think he's very So you'd have dropped Matlamour too? I would never have had him wrong because I don't like that. So you'd have dropped him? I would never have had him in the first place. You'd abandon him. Sorry? You'd abandon.

I would have banned him. Yeah. I would never have him in the first place. I'd have joined a Lucas or my favorite artist. Why wouldn't I? Because of his political views. No, I don't even know these political views until then. I didn't even know who he really was.

What do you think of his views? Nothing. Should you be allowed to express them? I think I can don't, I don't. Don't condone anything evil in this world. I believe in Jesus and God. Well, that's a... Lovely words, but obviously he...

I know, but I know you want the loop scoop, but I don't... Not really. I'm just asking you what you thought of what he said. I just think Ed's a coward for ditching him, because I wouldn't. 13 years of friendship is more important than getting a phone call who owns stadium saying, hey, he's not allowed to do-da-da-da, and then lie about it, allegedly. That's what I think's wrong. Have a conversation. When you see your cousin in tears...

acknowledging mistakes, apologising to fans. I think he's crying for himself. Well, I'll be finished. Calling the devastation in Gaza catastrophic and unjustifiable. He says an impossible decision. He's even been, you know, falling out with family and friends,

obviously including you here. Yeah. I mean, is it not time to show a little bit of forgiveness to him? I do, yeah. I mean, I don't hate him at all. I wish him the best, and I really do. It sounds like you really do hate him. I don't hate him at all.

He wrote, he hates me. He actually wrote it in a song. I do not hate him. him. I'm just here to tell the truth of my truth. What do you want him to do? I just want him to, you know, his fans to look down the camera three. Yeah. And imagine you're talking to Ed now, because he probably will watch this. What would you say to him? I've got nothing to say to you. I wish you the best of luck just over there. That's it. Finished. It's done. And also tell your fans to leave me alone and stop attacking me, saying I'm jealous because I do not want to have anything

you have. Why should they leave you alone if you're attacking him all the time? Because there's nothing to do with them. I'm attacking him. Why doesn't he respond then? They don't like you calling him a coward. He's a coward. Why doesn't he respond to me calling him a coward? Does that make him a coward? Maybe he just want to talk to a cousin who calls him a coward in public.

Well, that's a coward then. That's a classic, you know? He's a coward and he kind of goes behind his scenes. What's been your biggest hit? Raise him up. With him. Can you sing a bit of it? No.

Why not? So I'm a rapper, not a singer. Can you rap a bit of it? When Nuffa started this rapping shit, I felt pressure from haters became invaded with Cetus and just a very very Lel up to hate a radar made for the stars, kept my grind in the dark, then appeared with a remedy, kicking runs with a melody, Hennessy, shuts and all these thoughts on the block, who said you've got to be a gangster now to ray to the top.

He copied that and took it off me and used it for 10 years on stage. You couldn't have a look at every single, there's a billion views with it. And the only reason I didn't take it down on SBTV is out of respect for Jamal and his dad, Patrick, begged me not to. So that's why. So he stole that. You can listen to him. It's there now. But can I be honest, mate?

I like Ed Sheeran's music. I don't know. So that's just the difference. I interviewed him once for CNN. I like his music. And what you just did, to me, is illustrate why he's a global superstar and you're not.

But he wrapped exactly that. Not like that. He didn't. Yes. He did it worse. Really? Yeah. There's no beat.

There's no performance. You think you're more talented than he is? It rapping, most certainly, and writing. Really. Yeah, I do. I do. You ever watch The Office? You're going to say I'm the David Brent of music. A bit, yeah.

Yeah, I think you're a bit silly yourself. Really? Yeah, I think you're a bit immature, and you're just trying to poke me, and I don't care what you have to say. I'm just here to speak the truth on your platform. And it is your platform. I respect that. I like your show.

I do like you, but I think you're just a bit of a coward to not even agree with anything I say. Is everyone a coward who doesn't agree with it? No, just you and Ed. Just me and Ed? On this subject. Two cowards. I believe so, yeah.

I believe that you have your own issues with other things where you've outspoken that people think you're a coward. A lot of people think you're a coward. Really? Yeah, I think you're a coward now for not speaking up and saying such a stupid thing about it shows why Ed's a big superstar and I'm not. That's pathetic.

I think it does. It's an honest opinion. You're all about honest opinions. Okay. Until you don't like them. Yeah, but I think you have... So you love an honest opinion until you don't like it. Just the same way...

And then if you don't like it, the person who says it is a coward. No. Yeah. That's pretty much what you're like. Not at all. That's your, if that's how you feel, that's great. What do you want Ed Schurin to do to shut you up and stop be calling him to come? I just leave me alone.

You won't leave him alone. He wrote a song saying he hates me and, you know. Do you know the song? Have you heard it? No, you haven't heard it. No, but there you go. So you can't comment on it, can you? Okay, but your argument is his fans.

If you haven't heard his song, how can you say he's criticizing you? You want him to stop the fans criticizing you, but you keep whacking him. A lot of them are supporting me, actually, if you actually took time to look at my social media. So all Ed's fans support you, all your families support you. No. Is it that true? No. You're weird.

I'm weird. You're a bit weird. You just took words out my mouth just to cause trouble. I said some of his fans support me and they support us and they want us to become a friendship again and everything like that. Why don't you let it go, Jeff, I have. I have. Ed went on to global. I listen to peers. Thank you for saving my family.

Just let it go. I will. You're racked up with bitterness. I'm not. And I think you're very jealous of him. I think you'd love to be Ed Shearin. And you're not. You're Jethroes Sheeran.

I'm very happy being who I am. Yeah? Are you happy with yours? You don't sound happy. Are you happy? Are you really happy? Are you really? Absolutely.

About what's happening recently? You seem bitter about that? About what? About the photos and everything. What photos? Well, you know what I'm talking about. What are you talking about? about exactly what I just said, the photos of Diana.

You've got the book there. What about them? Well, you sound quite bitter about that. What do you think I'm bitter about? The fact that he told some truths about you. Truths? Well, you say catechlori, he did this and that, which I don't care. You could be jealous of him.

Here's the thing, Jeffrey, see, just by what you've just said, it shows me that maybe you're just massively ill-informed about your cousin. Because you seem to think I'm bitter. I think you are. Because Earl Spencer published a real factual story about me. Well, you're talking really weird stuff about it. Well, I saw earlier when I was researching, even in the dressing room, and it's just bizarre. So I think you're a bit of a weirder anyway.

Okay. And that's just my opinion. Okay. Because you bash people and that's how you make a living. And I think, huh? Why are you here? Because you've got a massive platform. You're the biggest platform in the world.

So you put your principles to one side for the platform? What do you mean? You're putting your principles about me to one side for the platform? Yes, I am. Okay, great. Yeah, yeah, I am. That's exactly what I'm doing. You know what? I admire the honesty.

Thank you. How do you think you've gone down on this interview? I don't know and I don't really, I'm here to tell my truth and I think, you know. You see, I don't really believe in my truth. I believe in the truth. Okay. Well, I think my truth's a load of old bullshit. I think just because you're rich, not you, sorry.

I just think because someone's rich and famous doesn't make them right. And I also think the hate I'm guessing is not because I'm wrong. It's because my lie and truth is highlighting his darkness. I think that's why you're getting hate, mate. You're getting hate because he keep calling your cousin a coward in public. And people don't like... Which you mean keep? I said it once or twice recently.

You haven't told him a selfish individual, malicious, cunning ways. Yes, I think he has done that to me. If you keep trashing him, people are going to dislike it. All right, welfare. Yeah, I'm just telling him. Very loyal to the family, is it? He's not loyal to his family either. If you knew anything about anything, you don't know anything about my family.

All the Shirons, all my dad, all his dad, all my grandmother. So how are you going to... understand anything who supports me. What does your grandmother think of all this? Well, she's dead. Right. Yeah. So I don't know, but I don't. Your mother with us? Yeah. What does she think of it? I'm not going to comment on that because...

Does she agree with what you're doing? I'm not going to speak on that because that's my mum and it's private, but she's most certainly on my side. Yeah? Yeah. So she agrees with you? Yeah. Wow. So Ed's family are all on your side? Well, obviously not his wife. I don't know. about any of his friends and stuff, but I just think, you know, I am over it.

I think you're just kind of pushing this narrative that I'm bitter and jealous. I'm not. I've got my catalogue. I work every day in my studio. I don't even think about it. I don't even like that sort of music. I think you think about him all the time.

No, I don't. I think that's the problem. You can't let it go. You're just wrapped up with bitterness about him. I think you're jealous about him. I think he's talking about your massive catalogue, but he's been incredibly unsuccessful by comparison. I think he's away.

What, four million streams in the last 28 days? that I've just... But when I said to you how rich are you... He's got Warner that bike streams... You said you got no money. Have you got any money or not? Yeah. Do you want to buy you a pint?

Something? I'm sure you could get me a pint, but how much are you worth? I'm not going to speak on how much you worth. I think you know why? No, you're just trying to get out of me because you're going to say he's worth half a billion. He does stadiums. You're worth 200 million and you do small pubs or whatever. But you're not worth 200 million, right?

Well, you're just going to make trouble. So I'm not going to... Yeah, it's not really your business. is it? I think if you're trying to pretend, I'm not trying to pretend anything, this is not driven by jealousy at his fame, fortune and success, and you're trying to make out your as really successful guy, then I think it's not unreasonable to say, well, how do you? I'm happy for his success. I don't hate, yeah. I just think he's a coward because of what he's done and he's done some bad things. But I'm not jealous. And I swear that to God and my daughter's life.

Like, I am not jealous of Ed Shearol. There's no reason. for me to be jealous of him. I'm disappointed in him. And I think he's turning his back on a lot of people and he deserves everything he's getting right now and everyone is seeing through him. And I think you are a coward because you support him, then you don't,

then you do, then you don't, and you just do it for clickbait so you can have your show. And that's what I really honestly truly believe. Yeah. And you're not going to like that and then you're going to give hate back. Not at all.

No, no, no better way for you to show the world how you are totally opposed to the way I go about my business with my show for clickbait than coming on my show for clickbait. You've just bashed me straight away. Then coming on my show for clipbait. There's no finer way to show the world that this is the last thing you would want than actually doing it. I don't even know. Do you get the problem there?

No, I think you just bashed me and I responded to you. I didn't bash you. I asked you to, I asked you. I asked you questions about why you shut your cousin under a bus all the time. Why did you? And then pretend it's like because you're not jealous of him. Why did you say the bad things about him? About Ed, I think he's a nice guy from my experience.

But why did you say about his speech was bad? I didn't think it was very well advised. Why? I didn't call him a coward. Yeah. But you put it on mine. One of my cousins called me a coward in public. Trust me.

I'd never speak to him again. Good. I don't want to speak to him. Really? No. I've got nothing to say. Okay. I haven't spoken to him in years.

You're getting confused. You're thinking like, this isn't really sense. Look at this picture again. here what do you feel when you see that that's when that's when we were um getting along making music together and that was actually a gig and that's when he fell out with the whole grind scene that um basically he turned his back on them too and if you listen to wiley is it because he's got ginger no not at all why would i hate him for ginger hair i know my family's got ginger hair it's like i'm irish like no now you're just trying to get me to say it's got ginger hair so i hate him

for that. Why do you not like him? Why do you not like him? I do like him. I don't think he's been very well advised, but I like him personally. But we'll have to agree to disagree about that. Absolutely. Jess Risholm, appreciate you coming. Thank you very much. Pierce Morgan Unsensored is proudly independent. The only boss around here is me. If you enjoy our show, we ask only one simple thing. Hit subscribe on YouTube and follow Pierce Morgan Unsensored on Spotify and Apple Podcast. And in return, we will continue our mission to inform, irritate and entertain. And we'll do it all for free. Independent, uncensored media has never been more critical, and we couldn't do it without you.