Piers Morgan Uncensored - “Headed For TROUBLE…” Is The UK Being ‘Invaded’? Debate Feat Lowkey | Plus Gad Saad

Episode Date: February 20, 2026

Many American politicians and commentators have a very bleak view of Britain, viewing the UK as ‘fallen’ and a nation of Sharia Law, grooming gangs and censorship. Many Brits agree with this too, going by Nigel Farage and Reform UK's popularity in national polls. Plus Elon Musk, who says a civil war is inevitable and often boosts anti-Muslim content on X, is endorsing another new party which pledges to “reverse” migration. And last week Sir Jim Ratcliffe, the billionaire owner of Manchester United, said the UK has been “colonised” by immigrants. Casual racism seems to be having a resurgence on social media - so, what’s behind it all? Has the UK really lost its culture to an Islamic invasion? Joining Piers Morgan to debate this is Reform UK’s candidate for London Mayor, Laila Cunningham, Heretics host Andrew Gold, rapper and activist Lowkey, author and black studies professor Kehinde Andrews and The Young Turks’ Cenk Uygur. Piers also speaks to author of ‘Suicidal Empathy’, Professor Gad Saad. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

There's a growing narrative that the UK's been invaded by radical Muslims and taken over. These lies around quote unquote grooming gangs, which is not even a criminal category. What? Did you say the gaming gangs are not a criminal category? It's not a criminal category. You're raping young girls. It's not a criminal category. People are not prosecuted on the basis of grooming gang. That's a media turn.

Sorry, I can't let that go. It's a coincidence that in the middle of the Epstein fire All of a sudden this scandal comes up again. Oh, look at that squirrel. Oh, shut up. Sorry, excuse me, this guy is beyond unbearable. Oh, grooming gangs. I would like to say, I would...

You're picking on random stuff that have no relevance. I gotta go. Bye, Piers. Unsensor viewers will be one aware that many American politicians and commentators have a very bleak view of Britain. The UK, they say has fallen. The nation of Shakespeare, the Beatles and the Magna Carta has become a nation of Sharia law, grooming gangs and censorship.

Megan Kelly articulated this view last week in her usual excoriating style on my show. This attitude that you have right here is why you in Great Britain have lost your culture. You seated your culture to a bunch of radical Muslims who came in and took over, and now it's gone. We're not allowing that here,

whether it's Hispanic, whether it's Muslim. It's not happening in the United States of America. That's why President Trump was elected. Now, whether you agree with her sentiment or not, and I don't, the fact is that many British people do agree with it. Nigel Farage's Reform UK is leading in national polls. Elon Musk, who says a civil war is inevitable in the UK

and often boosts anti-Muslim content on his platform X, is endorsing another new party, which pledges to reverse migration. Leader of that party, Rupert Lowe, was to ban Berkers. Well, last week, Sir Jim Brackleff, the billionaire owner of Manchester United, said the UK has been colonised by immigrants.

And just as it is in the US, there's been a social media-fuel resurgence of casual race. There's a big debate in the UK about whether Rishi Sunak is really English. Tommy Robinson's views have been mainstreamed and normalized. Robert Generic, one of Nigel Farage's new recruits to reform, was recorded complaining that he hadn't seen another white face while visiting an area where most of the residents are Muslim.

All of these things were considered beyond a pale a few years ago. So what's behind it all? Has the UK really lost its culture to radical Islam? Here to debate this, perform UK's candidate for London mayor, Leila Cunningham, rapper and activist Loki, Andrew Gold, host of the Heritage's podcast, Black Studies Professor and author of Nobody Can Give You Freedom, Cahinde Andrews, and Cheongueh, the founder and host of the Young Turks, an outspoken critic of online Muslim ashing.

Okay, let's start with Leila Cunningham, who is a candidate to be Mayor of London. Welcome to Unsensor, we've not had you on before. This narrative, which a lot of American, an American guest of mine, friends of mine, people I know, people are respected. There's a growing narrative that the UK has been invaded by radical Muslims and taken over, and that people like me can barely leave our front door because of this radical invasion, which I think is a ridiculous overreach of what the real situation is.

But what do you feel it is? So I think it depends which part of the country you're in, which part of London you're in. I think the real question people are asking themselves is who right now sets the cultural norms in certain parts of the country. And who adapts to whom? Should it be the host nation that adapts to those that arrive or should it be the new arrivals that adapt? And people feel that as a host nation, we haven't asked new arrivals to adapt. We haven't asked them to assimilate or integrate. And mass immigration has caused rapid demographic change. And that has created certain people, you know, British people to feel that they're not. way of life has changed in where they live.

And, you know, some people say it's racist to notice this. And others say it's authoritarian to bid for big discussion about this. But, you know, I say that it's not racist to want to preserve your way of life. It's not racist to want to preserve your values. It's patriotism. You know, you're like, hang on, there's so many people here. My town looked completely different. The shops are in a different language.

And it's just not the town I grew up in. And I want it to stop. I don't like it. I don't think there's anything wrong with pointing that out. Low key. Welcome back to uncensored. Sir Jim Rackcliffe, billionaire owner of Manchester United, notwithstanding the fact that I think he's a bit of a hypocrite because he himself is an immigrant to Monaco, where he resides for tax reasons.

And also has a team in Manchester United where the majority of their starting 11 are economic migrants to the UK. So there's hypocrisy there. And I didn't like his comments about Britain being colonized by immigrants. I thought they were crass and inflammatory. But there were some points he was making, notwithstanding again that he got some of his facts wrong, but there has been a very large increase in the UK population

from the turn of the century to now, nearly 20 million more people. That has had an inevitable impact on adding huge pressure to our infrastructure and public. services. That is unquestionable. And there's been obviously a massive influx of immigrants to the UK in that time as well. So it's understandable that some people are putting all this together and blaming the influx of millions of migrants to the UK. What is your pushback to the people that make that argument? There are three points to take into account here, peers. Number one,

people have been disaffected by de-industrialisation, by the process. privatization of key state assets and state functions. They know that their services have essentially been siphoned off to private interest, but they are disaffected by that and then misdirected into diagnosing what exactly the problem is. And on top of that, there is the 20 years of war on terror, which in terms of the essentially billionaire tax haven Epstein class has necessitated propaganda against Muslims on an industrial scale. And unfortunately, one of the key individuals in that

has been Rupert Murdoch, who himself, according to reports, despite generating billions from the UK, went 11 years without paying corporate tax. But you have to also look further at Christopher Harbourn, the key funder of Reform UK, somebody with multiple business interests in the Cayman Islands, in the tax havens of the Channel Island, and others. And what about Jeremy Hosking? Another individual that funds reform UK, who has

business interests, marathon asset management, along with Harbourn, is of course based in Jersey, which is a tax haven. When you look at who profits from the railways in this country, they are largely companies based in either other countries or tax havens. So people have been disenfranchised and disaffection is real. However, they have been encouraged by individuals like Murdoch and others to divert all of that energy onto the shoulders of the most vulnerable. Only 0.18% of this country are refugees. If they do have recourse to public funds,

which over a million people don't, it's £37.50 per week. Who is a bigger burden on the people of this country? Is it a person sitting next to you in the doctor's surgery? whose name you can't pronounce, whose borders were defined in the lifetime of your grandparents, or is it the person selling you the newspapers who is siphoning off the money into a tax haven elsewhere?

That is ultimately who is pushing this complete propaganda and fact manipulation. This is not a real reflection of events, as you yourself here's not. Okay, but my response to that would be, questioning the validity of your criticism of billionaires, that's fine. But it's not really going to the heart of what my question was, which is where the Jim Rackleff, when he said that this country has had an unsustainable influx of migrants coming into the country, both legally and illegally, which has made the population massively higher, put huge burden onto our public services,

but also led to a lot of, I would say, unrest in... parts of Britain where there is a sense that the culture of individual towns or cities has been completely changed by the influx of migrants. And, you know, all these things can be true at the same time. So in relation, just before I move to the rest of the panel, in relation to those points that he made, would you concede that we've allowed too many people to come in? Only 1% of the land in this country is used for house building. There is about one in every 65 people in London who is homeless. You're right, there is a strain on public services, and that's because austerity, which has been a bipartisan orthodoxy, a necropolitical bipartisan orthodoxy,

is believed to have led to the deaths, the preventable deaths of at least 130,000 people. That's according to Danny Dalling of Oxford University. So yes, there's a strain on public services, but it's certainly not because of people getting £37.50 per week, or people that have no recourse to public funds. It is because there has been a death by a thousand cuts mentality practice towards public services. And people have that perception because they've been propagandized with it on a daily basis by a media which is almost pogrom pushing peers, to be honest with you. It's a miracle that more people haven't been attacked and harmed in the streets with the level of propaganda that people are subject to in this country.

Okay, Andrew Gold, you know, I live in West London in an area which has a lot of rich people, a lot of very poor people. And I walk up and down my local high street. It's incredibly multicultural. Pretty much every store, every, like hairdressers or dry cleaners or restaurant, whatever, is manned and owned and staffed by people from all over the world. It's an extraordinary place to live, and I love it. I don't recognise the depiction of the part of London. I'm in as being overrun by radical Muslims.

In fact, the opposite. Now, I accept there are parts of the country which are predominantly Muslim in terms of population demographic and that people who may live there who are not Muslim feel like things have changed very fast and not necessarily in the way they feel comfortable with. I accept I don't necessarily live in one of those places. But this idea that we've been overrun by radical Muslims,

as Megan Kelly put it, I do think is a massively wild exaggeration that is not, to me, bearing a relevance to reality. No, I don't know if we've been overrun by radical Muslims. That might be a bit strong. If we continue the way we're going, that probably will happen. I mean, we just have to look at historical precedent of what happened in Iran, Afghanistan, Lebanon. Once it starts, it's unlikely to stop.

I think those who are not concerned about Islam simply don't understand what Islam is. They don't understand extreme religion. I grew up, I'm a Jewish person, I grew up, and I know what the Hasidic Jewish community are like. I know that they are, in many cases, a law unto themselves. But they're a tiny, tiny proportion of the country. If there were five or six million of them, and they were having more and more children, bringing more and more people into this country, I think we'd all have a huge problem with that. Now, when these people come into this country and have an entirely different culture to our own, and then they are encouraged not to adopt ours,

but in the name of multiculturalism, to celebrate their own, then they're going to bring their culture with them. And that means, just like in the 50 to 55 countries that are Islamic, there is no homosexuality. Maybe in one or two, it's kind of allowed, but it's frowned upon. Women are treated as second-class citizens. Loki made the point about it being a miracle that more Muslims aren't attacked on the streets.

Well, we are seeing Jews attacked on the streets day after day. We even had a little Britain guy was just screamed out on the street. That is literally happening day after day after day. We get people from places like Pakistan. We get tens and tens of thousands from Pakistan. According to pure research, the percentage of people in Pakistan who dislike Jews or have unfavorable views of Jews is 99%. So Jewish families that I know, they take down any identifying features that show they're Jewish.

That cannot be, that is not the Britain that I grew up in. That is not the Britain of the 90s and the 80s. We're headed for trouble right now. Unless we stop this now, unless people start taking it seriously, then things are going to get progressively worse and people are going to have to leave not just this country, but Europe. Well, that's got to Chechn Nugo, who's across the pond. I mean, it's been very striking to me that, you know,

Elon Musk just in recent months has posted on X, civil war in Britain is inevitable. has had 58 million views. When reposting a graph showing foreign national sex crime arrest rates, Musk commented the rape of Britain. Remember to drop a white feather for the cowards who failed to stop this. Again, if the current British government is not on the side of the people of Britain, then are they, by definition, traitors and so on and so on.

Very highly charged inflammatory language. And again, a lot of mythology about this. For example, you know, Musk is right to say, the grooming gang scandal in the UK was an absolute disgrace, particularly in relation to Rotherham and Telford, where thousands of predominantly young white English girls were sexually abused and raped by largely in these particular scandals British-Pakistani Muslim men.

That's undeniable. But if you actually look at the wider percentage in terms of the whole country, you would find, according to the police and the Crown Prosecution Service, that if you look at 2024, for example, for all serious indictable offences, including rape, 83% were committed by white people, 7% by black people, 6% by Asians, the majority of child exploitation, sexual exploitation suspects, 83% and victims, 85% were white. Data from 2024 indicated that only 3.9% of agreement.

group-based abusers were of Pakistani heritage, 85% were white. Now, statistics can tell myriad stories, but I think the point I would make in telling you those figures is that if you listen to some people across the pond, there's a sense that all the sexual abuse in the country is being perpetrated by Pakistani Muslim men. That's simply not true. We've had some disgusting scandals,

which were terribly badly handled, and covered up by governments and, authorities who thought it was too racially incendiary to reveal who was perpetrating them. But that doesn't mean that Britain is awash with these people perpetrating these crimes on a gigantic scale across the country. So there's a lot going on here. But my overriding sense, living mostly in the UK, is that this characterization is false. What do you make of it? Yeah. So look, almost all of our corporate media, pundits, that are in the, you know, establishment media, our politicians, et cetera, do propaganda.

And this is propaganda. Now, let me explain why. They say, oh, my God, we might have a Muslim takeover of our countries. Israel's already taken over all of our governments. And it's not just this. It's real big pharma, to Loki's point, all the donor class, the Epstein class. They've all taken over our governments. They've certainly taken over the American government, the British government.

The Irish seem to be free. thank God for that. And then they go, it's the Muslims. I mean, it's almost comical. It's comical. And then they, we're talking about, wait,

grooming gangs, going after kids or whatever. Oh, that comes out just as everyone's talking about the Epstein files and how a bunch of pro-Israeli figures raped American girls.

Oh, oh, it's the Muslims. It's the Muslims. So next time you hear it's the Muslims, I guarantee you that it's Israeli propaganda, trying to divert, you from something that's in the news now. And everything is constantly subverted and inverted, right?

So, oh, like, Israel is the right to exist? Wait, Palestinians don't... Palestine doesn't exist. Israel does exist. Everything in our media is utter propaganda on behalf of Israel. So I warn you about all of these topics is to try to drive up hatred

against Muslims, against immigrants. Now, if you're in Europe to address some of the points here, and you say, hey, you know what, I want Germany just for the Germans or the French just for the French. I'm not German or French. That's your business, okay? But I'm an American. And in America, we believe in equality.

That's the core thesis of this country. And the country is made up of almost nothing but immigrants, Jewish immigrants, Muslim immigrants, Italian, Irish. And we become the number one country in the world because of that diversity and that equality. And the pro-Israel forces that control our government hate that. And they're like, no, don't let it. any more Muslims in. And if they criticize Israel, arrest them, take away their liberties. Now they've got a religious liberty commission that's taking away religious liberty if you criticize Israel.

I mean, it is over the top absurd. And if you say, hey, wait, I'm concerned about a lot of Muslims in Britain. Okay, maybe I believe you if that seems to be your concern. But wait a minute, they say the same thing about America and there's barely any Muslims in America. So that's how you could tell it's propaganda. Because it's not really related to the facts. It's related to news events around Israel. Whenever the Israel is in the news in a bad way, you'll see a whole heap of people attacking Muslims in UK, US, and everywhere else, as if they're the real problem. Muslims in the West have almost no power. People who support Israel have nearly infinite power. These are obvious facts. Okay, Kahendi Andrews, a lot to unpack there from Cheng.

And I'll come back to you later in a moment because you are a practicing Muslim, which is interesting given your perspective on this. But, Cahinde, you know, in answer to Cheng's point, I would make this point, and I say this without any comment about it, other than it's just a statistical fact. Britain has pretty much the same number of Muslims as the United States,

despite having a population of 67, 68 million to America's 340 million. So we have a significantly higher percentage of the population is Muslim, and is rising pretty rapidly, actually. There's no doubting the statistical reality of that. Is that a cause for pause, for concern? You know, would you be comfortable if Britain became, for example, a majority Muslim country in 40, 50 years time? Do you understand why,

you know, white Christians in Britain are fearful of that prospect because they feel it's going against what the inherent culture of the country is? No, I mean, I think we have to really understand the history here. Why does Britain have a large Muslim population? as we said countries like Pakistan which were part of the British Empire one of the biggest problems we have in this discussion is that actually Britain was never these this little island Britain was the largest empire that's ever existed in the entire world and we are here because you were there this is why Pakistani people come here this is why there's a large Muslim population so we talk about what Britain

is the fact is the Caribbean Africa Asia actually massively contribute to what Britain is anyway so it's frankly a historical to say well look they're coming in with these different values because I promise you these values have been part of the nation since before people migrated here. I would also say, if you actually look at the evidence, I mean, it is frankly ridiculous to suggest that Britain is going to be majority Muslim at any point. That is not going to happen.

What you actually find is you have high levels of concentration of minorities in particular areas. And the reason why areas, I mean, I live in Birmingham, the place where Robert Jemrick came around and said, oh, there's so many Muslims. Actually, most of the people in Answorth are not Muslim. It's massively diverse. You find very few areas in the United Kingdom,

which are 100% Muslim. The only areas, in fact, you're finding in the United Kingdom, which have more than 100,000 people and one ethnic group is white British people, because most of the country is white British people. The reason that areas like

Hansworth and inner cities are so diverse is something called white flight. When I'm into my neighbourhood, there are loads of white people. When we move in, they move out. And then we all live in concentrated, mostly concentrated poverty in the cities, and then people complain about how the country's changed. It's completely ridiculous, fabricated,

nonsensical, and it is all just driven by like Loki said. This is about the actual reason you can't get a doctor's appointment is because they change the tax rules so that billionaires are taking all your money There have been lots of immigration over the last 20 years, but the GDP has gone up because of that immigration We have more money in the country because of immigration the problem is the mosques the people like that the Jim Ratcliffs the frauds You probably appears as well A benefit from these tax repoles which means that now the things are underfunded Complete nonsense the whole it the whole point of this is to misdirect from the fact that it's actually the rich

Maybe israeli in some extent but certainly the rich are actually actually taking it. And you're just blaming on immigrants. Well, Andrew Gold, you're laughing there. Why are you laughing? Yeah, because all three people, we're talking about immigration and Islam in the United Kingdom, which is a very serious issue. And all three of these guys have inexplicably blamed Israel. There's nothing to do with any of this. And to suggest that it's not anti-Semitic. I don't like to go around throwing anti-Semitic. I don't like the whole victim game. But it's the one tiny country in the world that's Jewish. And they're saying the reason that

we're thinking about this is because of Israel. Meanwhile, the left, I'm sorry, the right, are constantly saying to us that it's Israel and the Jews who are bringing the Muslims in. So the Jews are simultaneously bringing all the Muslims in because we love multiculturalism so much. And at the same time, it's all of us who are the ones who are blaming them. It's just utter nonsense. Israel and Jews. Israel and Jews. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Now, it's complete. Not every, peers. Yes. I would like to respond. Leila. Yeah, honestly, listening to some of your panel is makes me, it's so infuriating.

Calling concerns about immigration, propaganda is really disrespectful to the ordinary person. It assumes that they can't think for themselves. It assumes that, you know, if only the approved narrative is allowed, people live with the consequences every day of mass migration, housing, wages, schools. That's not propaganda. I have a response. Can you hear me, sorry? Yeah. Hello?

No, it is propaganda. Yeah, we can hear you later. It doesn't mean you have to believe it. No, no, hang on, can I just finish? The British public are not sheep. You know, they don't need permission from commentators, like the ones on your panel, to talk about what's happening in their country. And the reason why we have massive demographic change in certain parts of the country

is because right now, refugees, asylum seekers, when their claim gets deemed approved, become refugees. And they are put to the top of the housing list because they are deemed most in need. and they are put in certain parts of the country in massive amounts of numbers. And when you do have immigration in massive amounts of numbers, they don't integrate, they tend to dominate. And that's what you've seen. And to say that it's due to propaganda is, frankly, really insulting.

And I don't know, one of your guests said that, you know, what's the big deal about the grooming gang? As you guys all insult Muslims 24-7. Yeah, you have actually. Now you're going to catch feelings over getting insulted. Well, I am a Muslim. I am a Muslim. I am a Muslim.

and I'm insulted. I would like to respond to Layla, please. Hang on. Hang on. I am a Muslim, and I'm insulted. I'll tell you what. And you know the difference between the grooming gangs and everything else, and it might have a relation to Epstein, is that, yes, we do have white people committing grooming and sexual assault. The difference is is that the state overlooked it.

The difference is that these girls were groomed right in front of social services. They were picked up from schools. Counselors knew. The police knew. And they were failed by the state. The cover-up is just as big as the abuse that happens. And that is because we have politicians who are bowing down to a blobed Muslim vote. And the sooner we recognize that, the sooner we can deal with an issue. Right now, we have government that I try, we have a child rapist.

We have a labor government. We've gotten away with it because they are super powerful. And those same child rapists are now trying to blame Muslims. Yes, the same year. To distract you because not one of them has been held accountable. We're not talking about the U.S. We're not talking about the U.S. We're not. Okay.

Hang on. Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, look, just to be clear, hang on, hang on, can I just be clear. As a Muslim, as a Muslim, please. Everybody time out, time out for a moment. Time out, Chank. I want to make a point is that it's actually disingenuous to say that the grooming gang scandal is in any way connected to Israel or what's happened in the last few years.

This is a scandal that's been 20 years. Not one percent is ingenuous. Almost every piece of anti-Muslims propaganda is driven by Israel and their allies and About Chink. But Chink, we're talking about a scandal that's 20 years old, and the real scandal was not just the appalling abuse of these girls by these predominantly British Pakistani Muslim men, but it was in various towns.

So rest of them. What is the controversy? Hang on, Chank. Hang on, I'm finishing my point. But also the cover up by the establishment from bottom up to the top, because people were worried about saying who was being.

perpetrated the crimes for fear that it would cause racial hatred towards the British Pakistani community, which was in itself a scandal. But it had nothing to do with an Israeli lobby. It's been going over 20 years. Okay. Can I speak, Piz? Yeah. So listen, sorry, I have a point to make. You're telling me that it's a coincidence. It's a coincidence that in the middle of the Epstein files, that all of a sudden this scandal comes up again. Oh, look at that squirrel. Oh, shut up. Sorry, excuse me, this guy is beyond unbearable. Okay, I would like to say, I would like to say, I would like to say, I would like to say, I would like to say, I would like to say,

Okay, don't talk at once. Do you think that Pakistani Muslims have more power than pro-Israel people in the UK or the US? Because I'd love for you to make that point because that's a hilarious joke. You're obsessed change. The people who have more power of the MC class, not one of them has been prosecuted. Not one of them. Let me. Well, they should be.

Yeah. Let me bring in low-key. Loki, your response. Okay. The point here is that Reform UK is funded by Christopher Harbourn, who is a resident of Thailand and has an alternative name that he uses. Reform UK is also funded by Jeremy Hoskin, who is a resident of Ireland. Both of them have business interests all over tax havens. Why are they unpatriotic?

That is insulting to the people of this country. The second point to address what was mentioned before, there's a book by the name of the Islamophobia industry social movements from above. There's a chapter in it by Sarah Marusik. She analyzed the Islamophobia industry, which includes a plethora of think tank like the Henry Jackson. I am Muslim. I haven't interrupted you. I haven't finished making my point. Please allow me to finish. Everyone else did.

I don't need to hear about a book that's full of propaganda. 75% of the organizations that fund the Islamophobia industry also fund the building of illegal Israeli settlements in violation of the 4th Geneva Convention. That is a material historical facts. What are you talking about? We have thousands of British white girls who were tortured and raped by Pakistani Muslim rape guys.

child sexual exploitation in this country are male. Are you interrupting now? Are male. The majority of those carrying out sexual crimes in this country... I'm going to have to... In this country... Let me finish her point. That is a...

I mean, his challenge a myth by you and others like you. Let Layla finish her point, please. Look, I am a Muslim, right? And I do not appreciate... We have a Labour government that's trying to push Islamophobia laws, trying to criticize and criminalize any criticism of Islam. That is not what Britain's about.

Britain is about freedom of speech and the freedom to criticize everything. We have Pakistani Muslim rape gangs that were ignored to protect a Muslim block vote. We do have Islamic radical terrorism in this country, no other kind of terrorism. And I have to speak out because I recognize that there are millions of Muslims like me who don't feel that way. We don't associate themselves. But to pretend that it is not happening in this country, is actually a danger to this country. We have people who are convicted...

According to Chris Hunter... ...who are convicted... ...can you just be quiet for a second, for Christ? We have a convicted terror bomb maker from the Muslim Brotherhood, from Egypt, who arrived illegally on a boat and that was planted asylum, put in a hotel in London at the taxpayer's expense.

There is something fundamentally wrong with the way we discuss radical Islam in this country. And I agree. not taking over the country. Of course not, but it does represent a national threat. And Muslims in general, the majority of them come here to integrate and assimilate and they are like me. But there are some that come to Britain and expect the country to change for them. And if it doesn't change for them, we get people like those on your panel calling it racist. There's nothing racist about that. It's called patriotism. And people who come here have to recognize that they are moving

to a British country. Okay, let me, okay, let me bring in, let me bring in Kehinde. Let me bring in Cahinde. Chek, I'll come back to you. I'll come back to you, Chek. I want to bring in Cahendi, Andrews there. You know, I've traveled a lot to the Middle East. I've been to Saudi Arabia a few times in the last year, to Qatar several times, to Dubai and other places.

One thing's for sure. If anyone tried to go over there and it's still their culture and their cultural values or their laws in a country like that, they would be very quickly dealt with. And I think what people feel here is, for example, does it concern you that there are estimated to be 85 Sharia councils in the UK that manage disputes between Muslims and ensure Islamic law is being upheld?

Now, they have no legal force under UK law, but they have a lot of influence. Here's my question. This is for KENDA. This is for KENDA. Hang on, Loki. Kehindi, I will come back to you. Everyone must get a chance to speak.

So, Kahindi, my question is, should we tolerate that? Should, if we genuinely believe in having an inclusive multicultural society, is it right that we tolerate? As many people feel very uncomfortable about it, should we tolerate the existence of Sharia councils? So I think the question misses a massive point. How can the UK, the largest empire in history, remember, talk about going to other countries and instilling

your values. I mean, it's completely ridiculous, completely nonsensical. British expats are probably the worst going to places and colonised them and expect them to be to pick the inside of the present. Just to be 100%. That him finish his point, please. Let me finish what I'm saying. Let me finish his point. Secondly, the idea, again, the idea that there are, there's a minority, Muslims are a minority in this country and there in particular areas. And because of white flight, like I said, this is why we tend to be congregated in the same area. What does multiculturalism say, it just says that you should, you should respect people's

cultures and values? As you said, There are 85 Syria councils. They have no basis in law. So if a group wants to come together and say, can we manage things internally, that is fine as long as they're not breaking the law. And there's no evidence that any of these Syria councils are breaking the law.

It's a confected, made up nonsense that the idea that Muslims are incompatible with the West. This goes back thousands of years, by the way, and it is a deeply racist idea that somehow suggests that Muslims are incompatible. And if the issue actually was about segregation, why don't you listen to the nuance of an argument? I'm not, I am as in myself.

Exactly, and I've just heard you somehow, and I've just heard you say, look, there are bad Muslims, there are bad people who are Muslim, there are bad people who are Christians. And it's got nothing to do with religion. Of course there are. The idea that you would be then saying, well, let's stop, let's stop, let's stop. How could a Muslim, how could a Muslim straightforwardly actually come on and say,

we don't need laws against Islamophobia? And we know that Islamophobia is a huge problem with hate crimes, etc, etc, etc. That's nonsensical. I hate crime already. You just said it. There is the legislation. Can I ask a question? We make all this issue about Muslim areas, Muslim. A, they don't exist. Like I said, they're actually very diverse. If it's actually about segregation and about what one group of people living together in the UK, the only group of people that is, is white middle class people who do it all the time. They separate themselves off. They go to the best colleges. They go to the best schools. They live in the... Why isn't it a problem when we have so many parts of this country which are isolated with white middle class people?

I'm sorry, because I have to go. Why is that no problem? Why is somehow Muslims a problem? I would ask, seriously. I'm not going to sit here. I'm not going to sit here and argue with this guy who has no idea what he's talking about. I'm Muslim.

I know millions of Muslims like me. And we do not like radical Muslims coming in here and giving up. I don't like radical. He can't understand that maybe he should go. The treasurer of your party, Nick Candy, is in the Epstein files. Did he know Galane Maxwell?

What's your response? And, and has he done any wrong? What's your response? And has he done any wrongdoing by being in the... The question is open. You met him for a business deal. Right. We're not talking about...

Number one, we're not talking about Nick Candy. We're talking about immigration. How is that related? You cannot argue your argument. So you're picking on random stuff that have no relevance. I got to go. Bye, Piz. That's exactly what you're doing.

Oh, no, you can't force a debate. No, you have to run away. This is not been pure Israeli private. Hang on, Hang, can I solve it? Can I solve it? Can I solve it? You guys, it has been, it's unbelievable the answers you guys have been given, because it's just been all deflection every single time. But what about Epstein?

What about Nick Candy? That's exactly what this entire story is. But, Chenk, I'm a Jew, right? And I've already sat here and I can say there are huge problems that I find in the Hasidic Jewish community. Why can't you guys, when we talk about the grooming gangs, when we talk about Islamism, not just in the UK, The way it's spread across the Middle East and Europe,

the things that are going on in Iran right now, and I haven't seen one tiny morsel of, you know what, there are some bad issues here. Every single moment has been deflection, so no wonder Layla's gone. She can't be bothered talking to people with an IQ about seven. You have the IQ of this desk. Oh, yeah, oh yeah, I know, I know.

You guys are super smart. Well, talk about something other than Epstein then, because you're being asked about swimming games. Talk about something else. Let me solve it. Let me address it. Let me address it. Okay.

Can you address it? Chen, before you do, let me just ask you, can you address it? Can you shut up and let me address it? Can you address it without mentioning Israel or can you address grooming gang? No, because that's the whole reason we're having this conversation. Brilliant. Brilliant. Because your Israeli buddies wanted a distraction from the Epstein files. That's why they threw this garbage into the media. Wait, Pierce just explained to you, in an adult way. Pierce just explained to you that that's been going on for 13 years.

Will you shut up and let me address it? You're asking me a question and I'll answer it. You're asking me a question. question and I'll answer it. This is super easy. Why don't you arrest everyone who's committed a crime? So if Pakistani grooming gangs exist, and I'm sure they do, then arrest them.

Where's the question? If there's a gang of white people, they didn't. They didn't arrest them. If there's people, shut up and let me finish. So if there's a white gang of people who are raping people, arrest them. If there's a bunch of superpowers,

powerful people who are raping American girls arrest them. This is all super simple. But when we go to arrest anyone, demand to arrest anyone in the Epstein files, they go, oh, the Muslims, they're raping, it's the Muslim, it's all the Muslims. Everybody hate the Muslims. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's an obvious diversion. That's why we're bringing up Israel in the Epstein files, because in the midst of the biggest story

that there has been, maybe in my lifetime, all of a sudden, the grooming gangs pop back up. You want me to condemn them super easy? I condemn them 200%. I hope they're in prison. I hope they never get out of prison. But that's not the issue. You're not bringing it up because you're concerned about victims. You're bringing it up so you can say,

the dirty Muslims did it. Now, let me explain something to you, okay? If we had the same exact conversation, but you took out the word Muslim and you put in the word Jewish or Jew, and we had a whole debate about should we ban the Jews? Are the Jews a problem in the UK? Do the Jews have the wrong kind of culture?

We would all be canceled. We'd all have our careers ruined. None of us would ever work in media again. But here we are having a conversation of, is the problem the Muslims? And should we ban the Muslims? And the Muslims have the wrong culture. And the minute you ask,

is what you do, and you're doing fine. These guys have literally bought our government. They have contributed, contributed, to bribe, 94% of Congress, and you're telling me that the pro-Israel forces don't have any power. The real problem is Muslims who have, like, almost no money or no power in the UK and Europe or in America. So this is a joke. This whole conversation is propaganda by Israel to distract you from the Epstein files. Okay, okay, Andrew, I want to hear Andrews, I want to hear Andrew's response to that, please.

Andrew. Well, it's just absolutely nuts. You've been going on for half an hour there just about, oh, you can't say anything about the Jews or whatever. If there were 5 million Jews in the UK, now there's actually about 200,000. If there were 5 or 6 million Jews in the UK, if there was a kind of a grooming gang thing involved with the Jews, I would be the first person and most Jews would be as well. The idea that also, there's this idea of Muslim- That's not true at all.

This reverse racism that you're doing the whole time, right? There are two billion Muslims worldwide. They are in some of the richest countries in the world, and they are some of the most powerful people in the world. Qatari influence, you might say about Israel, I don't know. Maybe you're right, because I can admit that people who are more on my side might be doing nefarious things. I don't know.

You seem to have a total blind spot about Muslim power in the world. There's all of these, you know, the Church of England, all of these different organizations, these religious organizations, have different kinds of power that they assert in the world, okay? And we need to look at all of them. to look at any Jewish ones. I'm happy to look at all the other ones. The fact is there is huge Qatari influence in American universities and British universities and you don't want to know this. And you keep portraying Muslims as these impoverished little...

No, I... There are many impoverished... Andrew, Andrew, you've defended Israel relentlessly over the genocide in Gaza. That has consisted of sexual crime at insane levels. The raping of Palestinian hostages in Israeli military camps. That's not true. So that's not true. Okay, so you don't actually do what you say you do, which is you call out everyone in a

legal way. But you're a conspiracy theorist, but you're a conspiracy theory, so I don't know what to do with all of these conspiracies. You are, all of your arguments, all of your arguments are this person's linked to that person and I'm going to say some names. Aside from your feelings, what have you cited? Give me some documents. Why not read Dr. Ella Cobain and what she's written about these lies around quote unquote

grooming gangs, which. which is not even a criminal category that has... Look at who the majority of people... Ella Cobain, Dr. Ella Cobain, read her writings and understand these things, rather than working from the space of feelings. Did you say criminal category? It's not a criminal category.

It's not a criminal category. You mentioned the church. Eureka. This is what. The raping young girls is not a criminal category. Well, hang in a second. It's not a criminal category. People are not prosecuted on the basis of grooming gangs.

That's a media term which was used to promote this Islamophobic idea of the world. Sorry, no, no, just somehow had the previous position to carry out sexual crime. Sorry, just to be clear, just to be clear, the grooming gangs was a criminal activity. No, no, same. Criminal category by law is not a criminal activity. No, no, no, obviously it's a criminal activity. Sorry, the rape and abuse. The rape and abuse of thousands of young, largely white English girls

by a group of largely British Pakistani Muslim men in places like Rotherham and Talford was absolutely a criminal activity. That's not why all the perpetrators have now been in prison. I didn't say there wasn't a criminal activity, Piz. Listen to what I'm saying and then interpret it. I am saying that by law, a criminal category does not exist for the crime of grooming gangs. read Dr. Ella Cobain's writing

Well, that's the label given to the people who were paraphrating here in gangs. Let me jump in here because it matters. All right, well, let's just call it a bunch of, let's call it a bunch of, child sexual exploitation, which is child sexual exploitation, which is the term that experts use. Read what experts have to say,

not podcasters shouting loudly on YouTube. You know what, you know what? Loki, look, hang on, hang on, please. the bottom line with grooming gangs as a label is it was entirely accurate. You had gangs of people, largely British Pakistani men, Muslim men,

who were grooming young white English girls to abuse them. That was what was happening. It was covered up. Did it happen on an industrial disgrace? It remains a national disgrace. And you trying to explain that grooming gangs is not a criminal activity

is, I'm afraid, disingenuous. It's a category. And, peers, to know what, to be honest, to be honest, we haven't, we haven't spoken about the fact that you reported me to the Metropolitan Police fear. I appreciate, yeah. You reported me to the Metropolitan Police

peers. They were going to act like that didn't happen. It was a criminal activity. I've got to leave it there. A criminal category. Okay, we run out of time. Guys, thank you all very much. Well, joining me now is Dr. Gad Satt.

He's a scholar at the Declaration of Independence Center for the study of American Freedom at the University of Mississippi and the author of forthcoming book, Suicidal Empathy. Gag, great to have you back on Unsense. Thank you so much for having it, Pierce. Look, this is obviously, as we've just heard, a very emotive issue.

It's a complex issue. It's a multifaceted issue. You know, there's no doubt there is an interesting comparison to be made about sheer volumes, for example, of Muslims in the UK and US. It's about the same number, around 4 to 5 million, but the US is 6, 7 times as big as the UK. So clearly we have a lot more Muslim. in the UK, we have a tiny fraction of America's Jewish population.

I think America has 7,8 million. I think it is. In America, we have about 250,000. So they're right there, just statistically, we have a very different setup in terms of Muslim and Jewish populations of our respective countries. But in terms of this whole debate, fueled a lot by people on the conservative right in America,

that Britain has been invaded by radical Muslims. Megan Kelly used that phrase, last week with me. And we've lost control to radical Muslims. I just see no evidence that that is remotely true. That's not to say, I don't think there have been big issues with the huge influx of immigrants to the UK in the last 25 years. That is indisputable. It's gone way too far. We lost control of our general immigration policy. But that doesn't mean we've lost control of the country to radical Muslims, in my estimation. Look, if you take it, any disease, say diabetes. When you're first diagnosed with it, we're not going to amputate your

leg tomorrow, but we know that there is a trajectory whereby we can predict that within a certain time period, things will go wrong if you don't resolve your insulin issues, right? So it is absolutely true, you're right, that today Britain remains a non-Muslim country. But if we continue along the same patterns, will it improve or will it worsen? if the current immigration policies remain the same. And let me draw an analogy. There are currently 56 countries that are part of the OIC, the Organization of Islamic Cooperation. Each of those countries, once upon a time, started with zero Muslims.

Then you close your eyes and you open your eyes, and in many of those countries, you have zero percent non-Muslims. So, for example, Egypt used to be a largely Coptic country, Coptic Christian. Today, it's 10% cops. My own country, within my own lifetime, used to be majority Christian country. Today, it's majority Muslim country. So it's not as though everywhere that Islam goes, they just engage in an orgiastic killing of everybody.

But in one way or another, once Islam enters, the goal is for you to Islamize the society. And it doesn't take a fancy professor to understand those historical patterns. I mean, it's interesting what you say. I would argue back at that that the vast majority of Muslims I know in the UK are very happy to be part of a multicultural Britain in which they assimilate quite happily with their neighbours of all types, of all creeds and races and religions and so on. I just don't see this hotbed of radicalism. Now, I would caveat that by saying that most of the terrorism in the UK in the UK. this century, for example, has been perpetrated by radical Islamists. That is indisputable.

But it's been sporadic. And I think that's important to stress. It's not something that's happening like it was with the IRA, for example, in the 70s and 80s on a regular basis. It's happening sporadically. So there are an influx of some radical Islamists who perpetrate bad things. That's indisputable. But that doesn't mean we're a country.

under the control of radical Islam? Yeah, so let me, I think I might have mentioned this stat last time, but let me mention it again, and then I'll draw another analogy to, in pathology, in pathogen studies. There have been, this is a lower estimate, there are other databases that place what I'm about to say at a much higher number. Since 9-11 alone, there have been nearly 48,000 Islamic terror attacks in nearly 70 countries, right?

48,000. If you take all of the other 10,000 religions combined, it doesn't add up to the number of fingers that I have on my two fingers. So the fact that you and I could fully agree that there are millions of Muslims who don't do this doesn't negate the fact that if you allow Islam to take a foothold in a place, we know what the outcome will be. So now I'm going to draw the analogy that I promised earlier. The shingles virus is something that you and I, given that we're roughly the same age, is something that we should be concerned about. It lays dormant in you for 20, 30, 40 years.

And then there is a catalyst that then can trigger the shingles virus, and it results in a very uncomfortable situation for you, even though it lay dormant in you for 40 years. So when Islam is only 1% of the population, or two or three, they don't yet have the numbers to be able to do the things that would otherwise worry you. But once they become 20%, 30%, 40%, then we can exactly predict the trajectory as we would diabetes. So again, you have to have the imagination to extrapolate into the future, and then hopefully, inshallah, the light will come to you.

Right, but there'll be lots of people who hear you, you know, compare, Islam to a disease who will find that incredibly offensive. And there'll be many millions of Muslims in the UK because statistically the absolutely vast majority of Muslims in the UK do not commit radical acts of terrorism. So 99% at least are living in peaceful harmony and not engaging in this. And in fact, a tiny fraction of British Pakistani Muslim men, for example, were engaged in the grooming gangs.

albeit their behavior was disgusting and reprehensive on the cover-up was just as bad. So my point being, as I read out earlier to the panel, the vast majority of sex attacks in the UK are still perpetrated by white men, for example. Right? So, you know, statistics can be twisted any way people want. But this categorization of Islam as a disease in a country like the UK, I just don't sense that. Of course, by the way, I don't know if you're doing this willfully or not.

categorizing Islam as a disease. I'm drawing an analogy. The definition of an analogy is to draw exactly a comparative mechanism of how things might proliferate. So I'm not saying Islam or Muslim. Yeah, but you were direct, hang on, gag, go, gag, there's not be disingenuous. You were directly comparing it to the impact of having a disease that spreads. No, what I'm saying is that there, the, the phenomenon, whatever it may be, may lie dormant until there is a tipping point that serves as a catalyst. So if you don't like me comparing it to Islam, if we were to have millions and millions of Orthodox Jews that come into an area, there will be a number when the likelihood of teaching evolution in the schools where there

are tons of Orthodox Jews would reduce because they don't believe in the theory of evolution. So in this case, I'm not arguing that Jews are a disease. I'm drawing an analogy. But let me me come back to the point of, but most Muslims are lovely. Most men do not commit rape. We can agree on that. And certainly the statistics would be no different than saying most Muslims don't commit terrorism. But if you and I have a daughter and that daughter is about to cross a dark alley where there are a few men that are loitering, would we tell her, sweetie, statistically, most men are not going to be rapists. So even though you're wearing that really alluring miniskirt,

don't worry about it because it's only a very small number that will commit rape, right? We wouldn't say that to them. Or let me give you another analogy. You and I have had young children. Well, no, the analogy I would use. Yeah, but gad, hang on, hang on.

Get, get, my response to that would be that, you know, statistically, 83% chance that you'll be attacked by a white man. Right? So if you want to get into numbers and probability, yes, I would not want, I have a daughter, I would not want my daughter to walk across a park late at night. But actually, statistically, she's far more likely to be attacked by a white man. That is just a reality in the UK. That's why, that's what, well, that's statistical reality. So the framing of this debate, when people try and say, well, look, you've been invaded and overrun by radical Muslims. They all hate women. Therefore, it's become a, a very dangerous place for women because of radical Muslims, I simply throw back statistics, which is 83% of serious crime in the UK, remained perpetrated today by white men.

Pierce, 96% of Scotland is white. Therefore, obviously, most of the rapes that are committed in Scotland are going to be committed by white men. It's this little thing called per capita adjustment, right? I want to draw another analogy for you, because you didn't like the rape one. when you and I were raising our children and had to look for a babysitter, did we typically go and look for 35-year-old men as babysitters, or did we look for a 15-year-old teenage girl? Because we recognize that statistically speaking, 15-year-old girls are much less likely to molest children than 35-year-old boys, men. Now, that doesn't take away from the fact that it is exactly true that most 35-year-old men, will never molest. But life is about navigating statistical regularities. The one who understands

those regularities comes out on the other side without being raped. The one who lives in unicornia will wake up one day while he's being put down on the floor being gang raped. So statistics matter. Most Muslims are perfectly lovely. Islam is not necessarily congruent with Western values. Those two statements are perfectly consistent with each other. Well, except I would come back to this. Statistically, there are, I think, nearly five million Muslims living in the UK, a population of 67 million. And there was an absurd, like response last week, because Megan Kelly, after our interview blew up, posted to me on X that the most popular boy's name in the country last year was Muhammad.

Right? And this was immediately seized on as evidence we've been overrun by radical, Muslims. Well, having the name Muhammad does not make you a radical Muslim. One. Secondly, it is very, very, as everybody knows it's got half a brain, it is very common for Muslim men to include the name Muhammad in the name of their sons, right? It's a very common thing. It's not as common for white guys like me to choose the same name for all our sons, right? So Noah was the second most popular, which is a popular Jewish name, for example. People that happens to be invobeyed, I think it's the most popular name in the US at the moment is Noah.

It wouldn't be most popular in the UK because of Jews, because there are so few Jews. However, it's not surprising to me that Muhammad tops the list of boys' names simply because so many Muslim families like to call their sons Muhammad, right? So these statistics get seized on and twisted to create a false narrative

that because the most popular boy's name in the country is Muhammad, even though the numbers are, was pretty low, that that means we're being overrun by radical Muslims. I'd have to find that a ludicrous, ridiculous, you know, journey to go on intellectually because it makes no sense to me. Can I take another shot at, you know, navigating through statistics? If I told you today that there is millions of guys named Moshe that are moving into Brighton,

Would that increase or decrease the likelihood of there being a greater preponderance of kosher places? All other things equal, you would argue they'd be an increase. Because since we have brains that engage in causal reasoning, I would say since Moshe is a prototypical Jewish name, and since many Jews wish to adhere to kosher laws, I can undoubtedly, unequivocally, unassailably say that if there are more Moshees in Brighton, there's more likely to be pressure to have kosher food. But there'll be other Moshees that completely decide to eat a shrimp soup, right? So I am Jewish. I'm very much steeped in my Jewish heritage. And yet, I eat bacon. It's not because I practice a more gentle form of Judaism. It's because I choose to ignore those parts that don't adhere to my daily lives. So most Muslims

are lovely because they are innately lovely. They are nice Jews and mean Jews. We're talking about Islam. Islam consists of a set of codified doctrines that are consistent with the foundational Western values. If the answer to that, Pierce, is yes, then we should quickly accelerate Islamic immigration because we're going to be enriched. If the answer is perhaps no, then maybe you need to put on your statistical reasoning hat? Well, my statistical reasoning hat says, how much inter-religious warfare do we see on the streets of my country? Elon Musk, you know, I know someone you know well, constantly fuels this sense of there's going to be an imminent civil war because of the Muslim problem. But I see a lot of Hindus over here. I see a lot of Muslims.

I see a lot of Christians. I see all sorts of different people, of different colors, creeds, religions, and so on. And I don't see warfare everywhere. I don't see civil war erupting everywhere. I don't recognize the kind of depiction of my country, which Elon has, and he's a guy who's barely set foot in my country, right, as far as I'm aware in the last few decades. So I don't what he's basing it on, other than this is a narrative that's been fueled and picked up by a lot of people in America. And I say to Elon, Elon's not even American himself, right? He's an immigrant to United States. You know, there are five million Muslims in the US, most of whom live perfectly happily and peacefully amongst the communities they live in. There's no Muslim problem in the US.

There's a Muslim radical terrorist extremist problem of terrorists coming into the country or perpetrating acts of terrorism against Americans around the world. Yes, and that's why there's been fights against al-Qaeda, ISIS, and other terror groups. But to somehow then say, well, then all five million Muslim Americans must be a danger to society would be ridiculous. And I use the same argument to apply to Muslims in the UK. Yeah, we've got nearly five million Muslims. Actually, the vast majority are peaceful and assimilate very well into our society and live alongside Christians, Hindus, and the rest of it. Why should I be people? particularly exercised about the fact that their religion, Islam, has different criteria and creed to

my Catholicism, for example. It's fine, I can respect both, but I don't respect radical Christians, and I don't respect radical Muslims, and I don't respect radical Hindus. I don't respect radical people, full stop. They are dangerous. Terrorism comes from people who get radicalized. I just don't see in the UK that we have a mass problem with radical Muslims you've taken over the country. I think it's bullshit.

Because the strategic template on which Islam has operated is when in the minority act meek and like a victim, but when in the majority smite at the neck and show no mercy. That's why I drew the earlier analogy with shingles. It takes a tipping point in numbers for some of the... the things that you're not yet worried about to materialize, right? Lebanon was perfectly fine until there was an infusion of PLO terrorists and the demographics started shifting, and then it didn't go well. That applies to the 56 countries that I mentioned earlier. You also mentioned, by the way, there are no problems in the United States. Well, why don't you go tell some of the

people who live in Dearborn whether there are any problems that are brewing in the horizon? Or go tell the people who live in Minneapolis. Again, it's a question of numbers. And if I may, I'd like to flip it to you. You're the host, but if I can play host for a second, what would be the pattern that Pierce Morgan would have to see for him to say, send Gadsad an email and say, oops, God, I think you were on to something. Just give me a sense of what the data would need to look like for you to be concerned. I would have to see clear evidence that we were getting overrun by radical Muslims, not Muslims, radical Muslims with radical ideas that were fermented around violence. If I saw genuine evidence that that was becoming more widespread, I would be seriously concerned.

I don't see it. You know, I see, we were talking earlier about 85 Sharia councils being set up, who operate amongst Muslim communities up and down the country. But they have no law under British law. And therefore I don't particularly. Today they don't. So my point, right. So here's my point, God.

I don't think that we should turn a blind eye to potential issues. I'm not saying some of the things you've raised historically around the world have not manifested themselves. And I think it would be prudent to listen to that. You're a very wise, ma'am, very knowledgeable. I completely respect that. I do think it would be prudent of British governments, for example, to take the potential issues here, seriously, but let's not get ahead of ourselves and say we've been overrun by radical Muslims. Let's make sure we protect our values in this country, make sure that people are genuinely

assimilated, and make sure if we sense that there is a rising tide of violent radical extremism from any part of our community, that we stamp on it very quickly. And that, I think, would be a prudent way to deal with a problem that is not evident to me yet. But as you say, Who can predict the future? Gad, I'm going to leave you there. Fascinating conversation. I love having you on Our Sensit. Thank you very much.

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