Piers Morgan Uncensored - "He’s NOT Hitler!" US Election Final Days Debate Feat. Kevin O'Leary

Episode Date: October 24, 2024

With the US election mere days away, Donald Trump seems to be gaining momentum, at least in the public eye. However, most of the polls show the race is still too close to call. Can Kamala Harris pull off a comeback? And what exactly does she need to do to shore up Democratic support? Well, Piers and his panellists have some thoughts. Joining Piers Morgan for an analysis of the state of play, is Shark Tank star and businessman Kevin O’Leary, host of The Officer Tatum Brandon Tatum, former Democratic Presidential candidate Marianne Williamson, YouTuber David Pakman and Barron Trump's best friend Bo Loudon. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We're not stupid anymore. We're sick of these people promising things that they're never going to deliver on. And Kamala Harris is now rolling out Lizzo. Kamala Harris needs to be talking to people who are skipping meals in order to make it. She needs to be talking less about Donald Trump. That's why he's eating her life.

Joe sees what an embarrassment Kamala Harris is. You can watch his podcast. He talks a lot about how embarrassing she is. On her pricing policy, of which I have many investments, what the hell is she talking about? I got to call Cuban for the answer. He should be the president. I do know better, and I will tell you,

the contrived issue that almost no one cares about in every single opinion. Wow, you see, I think that's incredibly deluded. Donald Trump has already been in office as well. If he was going to be a fascist, if you're going to take over the country, he's going to be a dictator, he's going to be Hitler. He's going to be Hitler.

The October surprise in the 2024 presidential race may simply be, there is no surprise because nothing can surprise us anymore. This week, John Kelly, a White House chief of staff under Donald Trump, claimed the former president is a fascist. Well, I'm looking at the definition of fascism. It's a far-right authoritarian, ultranationalist, political ideology,

and movement characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized hypocrisy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy. So certainly, in my experience, those are the times of things. would work better in terms of running America. Well, Kamala Harris addressed that in an extraordinary statement.

It is deeply troubling and incredibly dangerous that Donald Trump would invoke Adolf Hitler, the man who is responsible for the deaths of 6 million Jews and hundreds of thousands of Americans. All of this is further evidence for the American people of who Donald Trump really is. This is a window into who Donald Trump really is from the people who know him best,

from the people who worked with him side by side in the Oval Office and in the Situation Room. In bygone years, that kind of intervention might well have met the criteria for seismic October news event with the power to move a needle and dead heat. But not anymore. Trump has taken so much incoming fire

in some cases quite literally. He's starting to look a bit like Superman, but it's a rebounding of his chest, like ping-ponged. And that's because the market for shocking claims about Donald Trump is pretty saturated. Once you've been called the new Hitler again and again, well, the rest kind of doesn't touch the sights. It's all been overfed and overstuffed like a prime goose. There's almost nothing that could be said about him that most voters now will find even remotely surprising or shocking.

The Democrats seem to move away from the dictatorship and democracy narrative in the wake of the butler shooting. But now's back with venom and President Joe Biden's entered the race for this year's Hippercritical Black Pot Award. It sounds like I said this five years ago. You'd lock me up. We've got to lock him out. Politically, he said desperately when he realized what he'd said. He didn't mean that, though, didn't it? He meant literally.

Carmela Harris, meanwhile, is still struggling to distance herself from Biden's disrepute and from the coup, but unseated him. You never saw anything like what happened at the debate night behind closed doors with him? It was a bad debate. People have bad debates. He is absolutely... But that's the reason why you're here.

not running for the top of the ticket. Well, you'd have to ask him if that's the only reason why. What do you think? I am running for president of the United States. Embarrassing. I compare that squirming awkwardness with the way Donald Trump answers questions. In this clip, he slown as Harris are taking a day off to prepare for that very NBC interview. I was going to hit her really hard on the trail today, but now I don't have to because she's off. She's off.

No, I can't get over it. Who the hell takes off? You have 14 days left. And she'll take a couple of more days off, too. You know why? She's lazy as hell, and she's got that reputation. She's a radical left lunatic. She's further left than Bernie Sanders or Pocahontas.

Now, Pocahontas, because I think... It's very liberating. You better say exactly what you're thinking, as Trump does 24-7. Leave me. I know that feeling. Donald Trump's appearance on Joe Rogan now appears to be confirmed for Friday. I think it'll be riveting.

He can sit and talk freely for hours without any fear that he'll offend donors, voters, voters, friends or advertise. That's why Joe Rogan is the number one podcast from the world. And Carmelha Harris really do the same. She follows Trump now onto the biggest podcast of the world, as some reports suggest you will.

That'll be the biggest surprise in October for me. Well, to debate all this, I'm joined by the chairman of O'Leary Ventures and Shark Tank Star, Kevin O'Leary, Brandon Tatum, host of the Officer Tatum, Marianne Williamson, who challenged Biden and Harris for the Democrat nomination, and the host of the David Patman show, David Patman.

Well, welcome to all of you. Kevin O'Leary, I'm just getting a feeling like I had in 2016 that this is Trump's to lose now. What's your feeling telling you? Well, you know, there's, and I get this data pretty well every morning, there's 43 counties in seven states. 45% of the population hates Trump, and 45% of the population loves Trump.

And so we're down to this 10% that's floating. And that's why you're seeing these candidates go to these counties, at least they were, very intensely last week. And I expect they will this week as well. My guess this is going to be an extraordinary election outcome because it may be decided by less than 10,000 votes. And so, you know, it's very hard. You know, there's a lot of media attention around momentum each side each week, and Kamala's having a bad week right now, according to media.

But that's not what the polls are telling me. The polls are telling me within the margin error of 1.7 to 3.2 percent, you can't bet. And I'm in the business of betting. If I knew a certainty Trump was going to win, I would be going long energy right now at six and seven P stocks. I'd be putting a huge amount of money into U.S. energy stocks. And I can't get any of my fellow investors to go with me there yet. simply don't know. Yeah, Marianne Williamson, it is incredibly tight, and there are obviously bigger picture

questions about why American elections now come down to literally a few thousand votes in a few counties and a few swing states. It does seem absurd for a nation as big and powerful as America that this keeps happening, but we are where we are with this one. How are you reading the election at the moment? Well, obviously, for Democrats, it's way too close for comfort. And this should be assigned to the Harris administration to do something different in these next two weeks. What they need to do different in the next two weeks is to stop talking so much about Donald Trump.

They seem more obsessed with Donald Trump than they see him sest with gaining power in order to improve the lives of the average American. They need to be talking to the average American, not about Donald Trump. People know who he is. They have their opinions about who he is. And many people who know who he is are going to vote for him anyway because, they feel that that's how their lives will be improved. Kamala Harris needs to be talking to American people about the fact that over half our bankruptcies

are medical bankruptcies, about medical insurance and how many are underinsured. She needs to be talking to people who are selling their blood plasma or skipping meals in order to make it. She needs to be talking to people about the fact that they can't live on just one job, the things that she's going to do to make things better,

talking to them about their lives and talking less about Donald Trump. That's why he's eating her alive in certain ways, and they have got to make a fundamental change over the next two weeks if they want to win. Carmela Harris is at the Vice President's residence, and she's making another address about Donald Trump, and she's invoking the whole Hitler narrative

because of what General Kelly said about Trump being fascist and him talking about Hitler's generals being loyal and so on. And I think it's such a ridiculous act of self-harm to constantly compare, well, A, to constantly talk only about your opponent, as you say, but also to keep comparing him to the most genocidal monster that the modern world has ever seen.

Because even if you hate Trump with a passion, he's not Adolf Hitler. So most people in the middle who are not tribally attached to one side of the go, well, he's not Hitler and they're not Nazis. So if you're going to call him this all the time, it puts me off. Well, I personally don't think that the comparison to fascism is illegitimate at all. My problem is the fact that John Kelly, every day, he remained in the White House legitimized the Trump presidency. The time to talk about all this was years ago, literally.

And the fact that they didn't, the fact that they didn't sound the alarm when they should have, I believe, is what's making it now kind of like, oh, he's not Hitler. He was president before. We survived. Our democracy survived. And once again, like you're saying, it's not working. Stop talking about Trump. Talk about voters and what they need.

and the America that we could create that the Democratic Party should stand for over the next four years. That's what she should be hammering every single hour of every single day over the next two weeks. Right, but Brandon Tatum, here's the problem. I don't think she knows how to articulate what her vision for America is. Every time I've seen any long, more substantive interview with her

where she's asked about what she really has planned to run the country, she just falls apart. I mean, I've nothing against her. I met her once. She's perfectly nice. She's obviously intelligent, done very well with herself. you know, excellent in the Senate and so on and so on. But at some point, if you're going to run the United States of America, but the deal of the free world,

you've got to articulate actually what you're going to do. And she just cannot do that in a way that, to me, is resonating at all. Hence the constant pivoting to Trump bashing. Because on that, they're on safer ground, they think. Well, Pierce, I'll tell you this. A wise man has said, you can never trust a person that promises you something

that they're going to do tomorrow that they could have done yesterday. These people have been in office and they've been feckless. Donald Trump has already been in office as well. If he was going to be a fascist, if you're going to take over the country, he's going to be a dictator. He's going to be Hitler. Then he had already been Hitler. So you could believe them for what their track record has shown. And I think Donald Trump actually has a plan for the people.

And I think it's genuine. That's why he's connecting. He's not connecting because he's so brilliant. He's an older man. He's slowing down. He's connected because he genuinely believes it. Hillary, I mean, not Hillary Clinton, but Kamala Harris is not connected because they don't really care. I do not believe they care about.

about the middle class people. I don't think they really care about the individuals who are struggling or suffering and things that they could actually address. They do not have a plan for you. And I wish that America will wake up. The only reason that they're polling close to Donald Trump is because of propaganda. Major news outlets are just pumping lies. I see them every day. Lies about abortion, lies about Trump, sending the military against the American people. It's just straight lies that they're pushing. That's the only reason they're closed. Okay. I saw you laughing there, David. Here's what I was. say before I let you respond. The reaction to Trump going to McDonald's was fascinating to watch

from here across the pond, because I can't think of a smarter stunt, frankly. Given all the furority over whether Carmelah ever did actually work at McDonald's, and honestly, from everything I've read, I don't think she did, because absolutely no one can remember her ever being there. But putting that to one side, he goes there and he does this stunt. But it's, you know, McDonald's such an iconic piece of Americana. It's the kind of all-incolns. It's the kind of all-incolns. inclusive place where everyone can afford to go there. Pretty much anyone could end up running a franchise if you work hard enough and you'd get a bit of luck

and a fair win behind you. And there he is, in his hatch, having fries and fries, handing out packages. And yet all I saw from the left was a lot of scorn and mockery as if somehow him doing this was something to be laughed at. I did not see it that way. I thought this was really smart politics by Trump. And actually what the Democrats should have done

was just very quickly move on and find something better to talk about rather than looking like they think this is somehow all rather demeaning because that's not how regular Americans would have seen it. Discuss? Yeah, listen, I mean, I spoke about this five minutes on Monday and I've moved on, so I agree with you.

I mean, I'm only talking about it now because you brought it up. I don't think it was as brilliant as maybe you're suggesting. You know, they closed down a store and hurt that store financially on that day in terms of sales. And Trump at the end of the day saw it as something to help him. Of course. If he had gone there, well, hold on a second.

I'm one sentence in. If he had gone there and said, I put on the apron, I did the friolator, and now I recognize that a 725 minimum wage, which has been the same almost 20 years, isn't going to cut it. That would have been really interesting

and shown he cares about someone other than himself. Instead, it was about rehearsed drive-through and wearing the apron and pretending to know what's a problem. I'm going on. And it's Kamala Harris who said, I support a $15 an hour minimum wage. Are you familiar with the phrase clutching at straws? I hope that's... I'm sorry, you glitched. What's the phrase? Does the phrase clutching at straws cross the pond in a way that you understand?

Pears, you brought this topic up. I'm clutching nothing other than following you. You're saying the only way it could work would be if Trump banged on about the minimum wage. You're missing the point. I mean, I'll bring back Kevin here because you're a business guy, you're an entrepreneur, just as a pure business. of political theatre. I thought he was genius. Utter genius. Honestly, I did. I mean, most of this material is seen in 15, 30, 45-second visual bites. And I think for him, it worked. I mean, yeah, people are talking about the fact that Secret Service

had to check out the people in the car that took the bag. But I don't think the majority of people that watch that on TikTok or Instagram, give a damn. And I think these things are viral for about 30 hours. My team monitors all this stuff because we're involved in the same kind of social media for many companies. And it really worked. It got a tremendous amount of views. And so it's already burned off and we're on to the next thing. But Trump has become masterful at mastering the art of holding on to viral videos for longer than almost anybody else. And some of the things he says are outrageous and people have known him now for close to nine years.

And if you hate him, you hate him. It just doesn't matter at this point. You know, I have the same divide in my own family. I mean, I got a family cut in half. I have to listen to this stuff every night at dinner as one side blast the other. But that is the American kitchen table today. And I would say one thing about this that people should start considering because the outcome, as we've been discussing, is unknown. But we're just literally days away. I think the takeaway from this election that is going to be looked at for a long time if the Democrats lose.

and the history that will be made is circumventing the democratic system by actually not allowing the democracy to choose the next later after Biden was stepped aside or was pushed aside, whatever you want to call it, would be a huge mistake if she loses because she was not a successful candidate in 2019. She was not a successful candidate in 2020. And if she's not a successful candidate now, it'll be because the same reason that 88% of investment advisors can't beat the S&P 500, Obama can't beat the index that is made by his own democracy, his own Democratic Convention. He picked her, maybe Hillary Clinton picked her, maybe some movie stars picked her. We simply don't know. She was anointed, and if she fails, it's their fault. And they're

going to own it. And it happened to Hillary Clinton. too. I remember I was there in Pittsburgh when she was anointed and Bruce Springsteen sat on the stage and sang about, boy, it's going to be great while she's president, and she got smoked. She was also an anointment, so I think that's got to stop.

They got to stop trying to pick stocks and let the actual party decide. Yeah, I mean, Marianne, just hold fire for a moment. I want to bring in another guest just briefly. This is Bo Loudon, who's described by Vanity Fair this week as Baron Trump's best friend, and the driving force behind Donald Trump's podcast offensive.

Well, Bo, great to have you on uncensored. I've got to say, I've been very, very struck by the sheer volume of very different kind of media stuff that Trump's been doing, culminating, of course, in the big one, which is Joe Rogan on Friday. But doing lots of other interesting ones, some that wouldn't be that well known, perhaps, to people who are not in that podcast community and so on. And you're apparently one of the driving forces behind this. So what's the strategy?

Well, I think the strategy is reaching an audience that, you know, maybe isn't being recognized or an audience that loves Trump and they're just not being acknowledged. And, of course, it's funny because, you know, every time Trump does something, Kamala Harris follows right along and tries to do the same thing. I'm sure she'll try to go on Joe Rogan. And, of course, Joe Rogan obviously picked President Trump before he picked her. So, you know, that was great. And I would like to say that I hope I helped set that up, too.

I definitely talked to some people about that. But I think it's great, and I think it's reaching those audiences that aren't being reached. And a whole generation that, you know, is tired of being kicked around, tired of being told that we're stupid by Kamala Harris. And, you know, tired of just sitting there, feeling we don't have a president that cares about us. You know, we want to be able to afford groceries. We want to be able to buy our first houses, you know? So I think it's great.

I think that's why Trump's doing this type of things. And as you can see, when he does them, it blows up on the internet and everyone's talking about it, left or right, because it's very interesting. And it's something that no other president has done in history. And he's known for these kind of things. He's known for being the first of everything. Yeah, it is interesting, because I've known him a long time

and I've had long conversations with him. What's interesting to me is the format of these longer form podcasts really suits it because actually in that environment, he relaxes. He can be very funny, very entertaining, it can be very charming. We didn't see a lot of that in his, run in 2016 or his tenure in office because he preferred to be the kind of, you know, big, tough commander-in-chief. And also because the format of the media he did is a bit more wham-bam than he's

now doing. I think it plays to his strengths, which a lot of people who don't like him won't want to see. But I've always said, look, he has a very charming, funny side to him. And these podcasts are definitely bringing that out. Yep, 100%. And that's why, you know, he's up 11 points among Latino voters. He's up another two points among Arab voters. And he's just, he's dominating in the polls and the press and everybody likes it. And, you know, Kamala Harris and her whole campaign is sweating in their boots trying to find out what interviews they can get on. But then she just goes on Brett Barron completely embarrasses herself, you know? So I'd love to see both Kamala and President Trump come on, come on your show as well and talk to you. And we know you'd hit them with

some hard balls and it'd be easy because Trump would pass them off. He knows how to take hard questions. He knows how to answer them. He knows how to how to how to defend himself on national television. Unlike Kamala Harris, who, you know, goes and sits there and she can't tell you what ROI is. Like, she knows it's very embarrassing. Well, he did, in fact, he did promise me last week he would do another interview with me. So if you're the driving force behind the podcast machinery, Bo, I expect you to put a good word in after this very interview. We'll do. We'll do. I got you. Donald Trump uncensored. I mean, who wouldn't want to hear that?

Talk to me just quickly about Baron Trump. Don't know much about Baron. I've met him a few times when I was doing The Apprentice, actually. You're good mates of his. It can't be easy having been Baron the last few years. But how influential has he been, do you think, in his dad's ear with some of this stuff? Because I'd imagine, rather like my sons, who are all in their 20s, they listen to all this stuff all the time.

Yeah, you know, I think he's definitely playing a hand. And that's because unlike the media will tell you, President Trump is very close. with his children. They all love him. He calls them regularly. No question. I'll be on the phone with someone and he'll be five minutes before he goes on stage to speak and he's calling his kids, asking how they're doing, asking if they're watching, you know. So he's very close with his kids. And I think Barron, you know, he's in my age group. He knows who's popular at this time. He knows. So when he talks to his dad and he tells him, hey, I think you should go on with this guy. I think it'd be really great. His dad listens and he's able to play a hand in that too. And he's very smart.

He knows his history. He knows his politics. He's very educated, very, very well-mannered, very well-raised kid. He's a good kid for sure. Tell him, he's working at college now, and he's doing his work. Tell Baron, I remember him when I was doing The Apprentice back in 2008, and I was very nice to him then. Time for him to return the favor.

I need the bow and Baron double-headed to get him on. And I would love to do Carmelaharis, too, by the way. I think it'd be great. On relation to Joe Rogan. I would love to see that. Yeah, it'd be great. Joe Rogan is due to take place. on Friday, and I imagine we'll air pretty soon after that.

You know, that's the big one. Joe Rogan, I mean, I've got a clip here. I want to play you just because it's funny. But it's Joe Rogan saying you'd never have Trump on. Take a listen. By the way, I'm not a Trump supporter in any way, shape, or form. I've had the opportunity to have him on my show more than once. I've said no, every time. I don't want to help him.

I'm not interested in helping him. I mean, that's an interesting perspective, because he's now having him on, and it will help Donald Trump. What do you think has changed? you know, maybe his numbers are dropping a bit, you know? Maybe he needs some of that clout. He sees that Trump is going on all these other shows, and they're gaining millions of followers just for having him on.

And it's the biggest episode they've ever done. You know, he has the record for the number one stream of all time when he did it with Aiden Ross. So I think maybe Joe's like, I want some of this clout. And also I think Joe sees, what an embarrassment Kamala Harris is. You can watch his podcast. He talks a lot about her, how embarrassing she is. You know, I didn't think we could get someone

you know, that was more mentally handicapped than Joe Biden that can't put a sentence together. But, boy, I was wrong, you know. So it's really embarrassing. And I think Joe gets that. And I think that's why he wants to have President Trump on now because he understands, you know, it's good. And I hope he gives Trump some hard balls,

and I hope it's good. But I think it'll be a very great interview. And you know what? I do hope he has Kamala Harris on too, because that will also be very interesting. Yeah, I agree. They should all do it. But hang with us.

We're just going to keep on the panel for a bit. I want to go to Marianne. It is very interesting, Marianne. I think Trump's strategy with the media this time around compared to the last two times that he's run. Very different, much younger, many more of these podcasts. I think it's really effective. And it may not be obvious to people,

particularly if they're just lassoed to mainstream media. But as someone whose own sons in their 20s consume a lot of this stuff, this is a big deal. You know, when Trump does things like Joe Rogan, and it's going to be massive and potentially a big vote winner for him. Absolutely. He's going after his base. And Kamala Harris should be going after her base. She's making many people in her base feel like they don't matter.

When you're out there talking more with Liz Cheney than talking to people who are thinking about the progressive issues that have been so important and core to the Democratic electorate, you know, they're talking already about the problem that they could have with Joe Stein, just like they had in 2016. And yet they are ignoring the concerns of the people who just might vote for Jill Stein, almost acting as though they're embarrassed

because they're always reacting to Donald Trump. Donald Trump says that she's left of Pocahontas. The Democrats should be running on that. Well, we don't know what Connoisse's politics are, but we believe in this or we believe in that. There are too many people, now even what they're talking about with their black agenda, their Latina agenda,

it comes across patronizing. It comes across almost descending. Why are they talking about criminal justice? Why aren't they talking about mass incarceration, the numbers of black men and Latino men who are filling up America's jails? Donald Trump is talking to people who can vote for him, who feel passionately about the issues that he is talking about.

You know, people will go for false hope before they'll go for no hope. Yeah. Come on, needs to get out there and talk to her bait, not just to people who might be disaffected Republicans. I think you're so right. Brandon, I do think this is right. I think the problem for Kamala Harris is she got parachuted in to this gig,

coronated, you know, in a weird way, where I thought it would have helped the Democrats a lot more if they'd had a proper broken convention, where other people threw their hat in the ring and they juked it out. It would have toughened her up, perhaps, for the battle against Trump. What do you think about that? They should have allowed others to maybe get involved in a race against her to replace Biden?

Yeah, Pierce, 100%. First of all, she shouldn't have been an affirmative action hired the first time. They should have gotten a qualified black woman that was very successful, very intelligent, that can add value to the presidency when Joe Biden chose his running mate. They didn't. They just picked a black woman. And I think they picked the wrong one. And then you go down the list and say, okay, now that Joe Biden dropped out in the 11th hour,

they just put her in there. She's incredibly unpopular. She's incredibly unintelligent. This woman is a terrible candidate. She laughs and she cannot articulate a clear sentence about her policy positions. And then she gets on a campaign trail and runs on, I'm a woman. I'm going to do this for black people. Ma'am, you have never done anything for black people.

And you're not a clear representation of a good quality woman. And we can go over history, but I'll save that for another time. But these people are patronizing young black men. Obama comes out and says, well, you, y'all are against women. That's why you don't want to. No, we're not stupid anymore. We're sick of these people promising things that they're never going to deliver on.

And Kamala Harris at the 11th hour is now rolling out Lizzo. Big Lizzo got on a private jet cussing and swearing in her lyrics are degenerate. You got Eminem as degenerate. You have all of these celebrities. Those are not the average everyday person. These celebrities are not worrying about

what they're going to eat in health care. They're extremely wealthy. And they're not connecting with the people. And that's why Donald Trump is kicking. her butt. And if it wasn't for lies and deception and coercion by the media and all of that, Donald Trump will be winning by 20 points right now. Right. But the truth is he's not, and it is very, very close. We bring you out David here. David, the thing is, I want to play a

clip from MSNBC. Obviously, you hate Trump with a pathological violence. But they went out and spoke to people in the street, and this happened. Trump talks about this a lot. He says, you know, Kamala Harris became black when it was community. in. Can you talk to me about, do you feel, do you agree with him on that? Do you feel like she's wearing her blackness? Absolutely. She's sworn into the, when she swore into the Senate, it was as the first Indian American.

Thank you. Which is, it's fine. We don't care. We all know she's not black. Let's understand it. We are all clear of that. But my point of view, like I told you early, she's already been there. She's in office right now.

I mean, David, that's pretty devastating when you hear that for Kamala Harris, isn't it? They all think she's a bit of a phony who's basically using them as a community. Those two people did say that, but if you look at any public opinion survey, this is not ranking anywhere. And there still seems to be confusion about the concept of being biracial. But no, I don't think that that's really devastating at all. And in fact, I think that I don't know what interviews Brandon's been watching, but she just did an interview yesterday with NBC where she was almost goaded by the interviewer Why aren't you talking about being a woman and being black?

And she said, people can tell what my identity is. I'm running on policy. And then people can judge the identity however they want. She's stepped away from identity politics, which I think is fantastic, by the way. David, let me ask you this. I don't agree with identity politics as a cudgel. David, let me ask you this. One of the things she stands for, along with Joe Biden,

is she has done nothing while they've been in office to stem this, in my view, horrendously unfair situation of trans athletes competing in women's sports. And an astonishing survey has just come out today by the United Nations that reveals that female athletes have lost 900 medals to transgender rivals competing against them in women's sporting categories. This is a UN report. There's 600 female athletes in more than 400 competitions have lost nearly 900 medals in 29 different sports.

When the average American sees that both Joe Biden and Kamala Harris now support this unfairness, and that's what it is. It's just unfair. It's nothing to do with being transphobic or anything else. It's just unfair. I mean, it's supported by a report like that from the UN. That's one of her problems too, is that people think they're supporting the indefensible.

They lack basic common. What do you say to that? I'm struggling to think that you're taking this any more seriously than as something that might generate clicks on YouTube, Pierce. Wow. You don't think that's serious? Hold on. Peers, I can't even get a sentence out.

You don't think it's serious? Hold on a second. The vast majority of those instances in the UN report are outside the United States and have nothing to do with the president or vice president of the United States at its face. And secondly, I would challenge you to tell me the quotes that Biden or Harris have put forward wherein they have weighed in on how sports leagues should be handling these decisions. But 92% of that study is not even in the U.S. So I don't even know why you're bringing this up other than to generate clicks on YouTube.

What's that got to do with the principle? I'm sorry? What's that got to do with the principle? Well, the principle is you're saying Kamala Harris and Biden have come out in support of this. They do. They support policies that they support that. They support policies that protect transgender athletes performing in women's sport. And I think that is madness.

You're saying, well, because most of these things of this UN report were outside of America, it doesn't matter. It does matter. What I'm saying, it's a completely contrived issue that almost no one cares about in every single opinion. Wow. You see, I think that's incredibly deluded. People do care about it. They care about the integrity of women's poll. It just doesn't show up in any opinion poll as a primary issue, not top 10, not top.

They care about it, but it doesn't show up in a single poll. What's your view? Do you think it's fair? I think that it depends on the sport, and I think we need to talk about this for probably 90 minutes to really have a productive conversation. Really? So when you saw the Paris Olympics and you saw two gold medal winners and women's boxing who actually were born with biological male chromosomes, you think that's right? That is not the truth as far as I understand it. I don't know who you're talking about. If you can name them, then maybe we can get into more detail. I'm talking about. It was well-publicized. Well, tell me. Tell me who you're talking about.

I can't remember their exact names. There were two gold medal winners. Well, I can find them now. If it helps you. I don't know why the names matter. The one who was the source of a lot of viral articles was born a woman, always lived as a woman. What was her name? What was her name? Imani something.

All right, so you don't know either. So don't be quite so patronizing if you don't know either. But the truth is... Well, you're bringing it up here. See, here's the thing... Hold on a second, Pierce. Hold on a second. You do this all the time, Pierce.

You bring something up. You bring something up. And then you evaluate your guest's opinion as to how much it matters. You brought it... If it doesn't actually matter, don't bring it up. No, no. Just to be clear, you were haranguing me

for not remembering the name. I said the name's irrelevant. What's relevant is whether the gold medal winners have biological male chromosomes when they're getting into a boxing ring, are punching women in the face so hard that one of the women competitors, a female, quit after 45 seconds. Yes.

In that instance, there is nothing, nothing to the story that the boxer that prevailed was ever a man. Wow. Just nothing. And yet you know that there's no evidence. You know that boxer. Well, hang on. Hang on. You know that boxer was banned from the world championships precisely because there is evidence.

You know that, right? Yes. Do you know the details of that, Piers? Do you know, tell the full story. Go ahead. Tell the full story. That boxer was banned, along with the other one, from the World Championships, because it has been reported that they tested positive for male chromosomes, right?

If you know better, tell me. That's not the full, I do know better, and I will tell you. That was done by a Russian lab who had an interest in disqualifying her because it jeopardized the undefeated record of a Russian boxer. That's all they have, and it's totally debunked. Peers, I thought you were better than this. It's not debunked. And you'll regret saying that because it's true.

Let me go to Kevin. Kevin, I have a common sense test with this stuff. One of the things Trump is very good at, his instincts are very common-sensical. You can hate some of the rhetoric, and I do when he goes off sometimes at people. But what you can't deny is instincts for what average Americans are thinking.

Normally pretty spot on. And he said recently, like last week, he would ban all trans athletes from women's sport. Do you think it matters or not? You know, I actually enjoyed that narrative you two just had, and I have a solution that I think you'll both agree with, and I think we could settle this issue forever globally. We know almost 40 years ago that we started testing for doping, for example,

and we exclude cyclists in Olympics that are doping, and we found other drugs that we exclude tested by Olympic testers. So why don't we just settle this in? create the transgender Olympics. So if you started in one gender and you switch to another, you join this third category and you go at it. And I think everybody would agree with that.

And I think it'd make it very easy and it's tested by DNA. And that would be it because I also agree. It's kind of unfair if you take a man and change him into a woman using today's technology and he pounce the crap out of somebody in a boxing ring or he, she does. That's not fair.

It just doesn't make common sense. And that goes through to this thing you're talking about with Trump. He's authentic. You know, I had this narrative with my daughter yesterday in New York, and we really were heated. And I said, do you agree that he has no filter? He just puts out what's on his mind, and you know with certainty that's what's on his mind. And she said that, I agree with. He has no filter, and he's authentic.

Now, if you don't like that, don't vote for him. The people are going to decide. But there's, I don't feel the same way about the other candidate. I respect VP Harris. But it seems to me she's trying to process every single sentence. And I'm a little worried about something. For me to get the actual data on her pricing policy, of which I have many investments in food services, I had to call Mark Cuban and ask him, you're obviously stumping for her.

You're a shill for her. What the hell is she talking about? should I be worried? And he said, no, you don't have to worry about this. There's a crazy policy. It'll never happen. Okay, well, that's not good. Why can't she say that herself or 28% taxes or unrealized gains on capital?

I got to call Cuban for the answer. Luckily, I know the guy. Maybe he should be the president. Yeah. You know what? At least you probably have the answers. I mean, Bo, let me flip it around on you here. For your generation, what are the things that Donald Trump does or says,

which you don't agree with? I mean, when you're having an honest, frank discussion with him, do you tell him what you should steer clear of? Yeah, 100%. I think a lot of the vaccine stuff, you know, I wasn't too fond of. Some of his more pro-choice stances I wasn't too fond of because I'm very pro-life. I do think it's funny how the media paints him as someone who's too pro-life

and on all these things when, you know, I don't agree with a lot of his. He's pro-choice in many ways. So, you know, I think there's some things that my generation and myself definitely agree with. But I think most of all, you're 100% right when you said he hits on those things that we really care about. You know, I don't know what David thinks. He's saying when he says that no one cares about transgender athletes in sports, that could not be further from the truth. You know, I was just talking to a UFC fighter last night, Colby Covington.

And he said it's awful. You know, it's brutal. We have men transitioning to women and they're joining, like, UFC thing, not Dana White's UFC, but they're joining MMA in other leagues. and they're beating their crap out of biological women. And it's brutal. And I mean, I guess, you know, on a certain point, you know, it's just what our country is going to allow to happen, allowed to happen.

And he's acting like it's nothing to do with Kamala Harris and Joe Biden, and like they don't support it. But, I mean, it was Kamala Harris's VP pick, Tim Walts, who was putting tampons in men's bathrooms, you know, in boys' schools. So, you know, I think we know what they support and what side they're on. And I think that Trump has 100% done a perfect, more than phenomenal job showing us his policy, showing us what he cares about and what he's passionate about, and showing us that he's not going to let this stuff happen.

Marian, two things for you. One, the clip we showed earlier of Joe Biden saying lock him up about Trump, I thought that was pretty ill-advised. He tried to scramble and say, I meant politically, but actually he said what he said, and we know what he meant. He does mean it. He would like to see Trump locked up. That's not going to help anyone in this race, is it?

No, of course it's not. It was a mistake. He knew it was a mistake. But let's remember also this man is a convicted felon, and he's yet to be sentenced. So on the issue of whether or not Biden should have said that, obviously he should not have. But he shouldn't be a convicted felon for the offense that they went after him for.

I thought it was pathetic and embarrassing that the first American president to ever be dragged through a criminal call is dragged through a criminal call over shuffling a bit of paperwork over an alleged one-night stand with a porn star 18 years ago. That is just completely demeaning to America. And the fact that it was allowed to happen and encouraged and promoted by Democrats, I thought was, again, a stratosphericly bad act of self-harm. Because most average Americans are like, really? Really? You're going to try and put an American president, have only been 45, 46? You're going to try and put him in prison for a one-night stand with a Pawn Star 20 years ago? Have we gone nuts? And if you're going to start putting people in prison

for that kind of thing, how's Bill Clinton still out there? Well, I agree with you that it was an active self-harm on the part of the Democrats. But the larger issue is about the issue is not about that. The larger issue is about the things that he stands for now. There's been a lot of conversation over the last few minutes about the things that matter much more. I agree with Kevin. What Kevin was talking about a transgender, for instance, Olympics, I agree with that. And I've been saying that for a while. I think there's an issue here about Trump's authenticity that people talk about. He is authentic,

but sometimes he's authentically a jerk. And what the president of the... But that's what happens when you're authentic, Marriam. I think that's the point Kevin is making. You can hate him for it. You can hate some of the stuff he says. And yes, he is a jerk sometimes. But he's a kind of honest jerk.

He just blurts out what he thinks. Yes. Well, the point is, if you're just going out for dinner with someone, you have a drink with somebody, and they're authentically a jerk, it can almost be amusing. what the words of the President of the United States says are important. But the larger issue here is Kamala Harris.

We need some of that core passion coming from her. We need to hear, you know, even on the transgender issue, sometimes people don't care what your policy issue is, but they want to hear your passion about it. Donald Trump talks to people about the things that are going on. For David Packman to say, oh, Americans aren't thinking about the trans issue. I'm sorry, David. They're definitely thinking about it.

And she, regardless of her beliefs about things, go out there and talk about your beliefs about things. Don't just say I come from the middle class and I care for an opportunity economy. Talk to people about what's going on in their lives, about food. The day that Bobby Kennedy endorsed Donald Trump the next day, the Democratic Party should have come out with a food security issue that would knock your socks off. when President Trump went to McDonald's, which was, I'm sorry, a brilliant move, the things that David said, Trump should have said, no, Kamala should have said.

She said, let's talk about what the real truth is, about the economic conditions about people who work at McDonald's. She needs to get out to punch, and she needs to speak from her heart and from her passion, and that is how the Democrats will win to me. Okay, Kevin, I want to ask you quickly about Elon Musk, because you mentioned Mark Cuban, who's been having an old ding-dong with Musk for quite a while now.

Musk is now promising daily million-dollar prizes to registered voters in battleground states who sign a petition which is produced by his Donald Trump supporting political action committee. Let's take a little clip of Elon talking about this. I have a surprise for you, which is that we're going to be awarding a million dollars to randomly to people who have signed the petition. every day from now until the election. One of the challenges we're having is like,

well, how do we get people to know about this petition because the legacy media is warrant to report on it. You know, not everyone's on X. So I figure, how do we get people to know about it? Well, this news, I think, is going to really fly. I don't know about you, Kevin. I feel slightly uneasy. about the world's richest man just chucking millions of dollars of people to register to vote.

What did you think? Well, again, for full transparency and disclosure, my son works at Tesla in California for Elon. And I've met him a few times. You know, just some background on this. I don't believe it to be illegal. What he's basically saying is, I want to motivate people to go out and vote. He's not telling him who to vote for. He just wants them to think about being part of.

of the democratic process. Now, you know with certainty that Trump would like to get Elon Musk, should he win, into a role in the administration to seek efficiencies. And there are different kind of people in life that I've learned in investing in many managers and entrepreneurs and working for some of them. And I would say there's the idea of signal and noise. And so if you think, I work for Steve Jobs. Not a very nice guy, but he was 90% signal, the day and 10% noise noise being distractions that he would agree to be distracted by during the working day and his working day was 20 hours and um he wasn't that social a guy and look what he achieved now now musk Elon Musk i know his certainty is 100% signal i've never met a man like that

and look what he's achieved it's unprecedented and he would be a profound force if set free to go work on government to find inefficiencies. And I'd like to see that happen. But he's, you know, got social issues around being 100% signal. But do I think he should be involved with Trump? Does it make Trump a better administrator? Does it make his administration more powerful? 100%.

We don't know how much Elon will be engaged. But you can't deny what this man's achieved. There's never been an entrepreneur like him. Yeah. I agree. If you look at Tesla, SpaceX, Neuraling. I mean, all of it is unbelievable. I listened to him.

I met him in... Well, I say, release the hounds. Release the hounds. Release him onto the hill and let's see what happens. I think it could be absolutely fascinating. Bo, when Elon did Joe Rogan, he famously smoked a spliff, a marijuana spliff. Donald Trump famously has never had a drink, never had a drug.

Is this a moment when he finally got to doobie out? Well, that'd be interesting for sure. Might win him some voters. And that's another thing, actually, Trump, I think he, I believe, I might be wrong on this. I believe he's going to say yes on a thing in Florida that's going to legalize marijuana, which I personally don't agree with, but I think it's interesting. I think, you know, young people are very interested in that, too, of course. So that'd be very interesting for sure to see on Joe Rogan, but that Elon clip was pretty funny.

It was. I've got to leave you there. Great panel. Thank you all very much indeed. Appreciate it.