Piers Morgan Uncensored - “I Will NOT STOP!” Candace Owens Meets Erika Kirk | Piers Morgan Interview

Episode Date: December 17, 2025

Many people have been enraged by Candace Owen’s theorising on the assassination of her friend Charlie Kirk - but even more have been captivated by her real-time investigation into a colossal cover-up of his murder by his own organization Turning Point. Is Candace searching for truth… or is it all a cynical ploy to exploit the most emotive and consequential story of the year for money and clout? Charlie’s widow Erika Kirk issued a firm message to Candace: “Stop.” And the pair have since had a private four-hour meeting, which is now the catalyst for frenzied speculation that Candace may be having second thoughts. Piers Morgan finds out more about what happened - and asks Candace if she ever will stop with the conspiracy theories. Piers Morgan Uncensored is proudly independent and supported by: Shen Yun: Visit https://ShenYun.com/PIERS to buy tickets and waive fees. Oxford Natural: To watch their full stories, scan the QR code on your screen or visit https://oxfordnatural.com/piers/ to get 70% off your first order when you use code PIERS. PDS Debt: Get started with your free debt analysis in just 30 seconds at https://PDSDebt.com/PIERS Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Let's assume for a moment you're right. And all these Egyptian planes were flying around tracking Charlie Kirk and Turning Point and Erica. Why? What is your theory? I don't know. I don't know. What's your theory, though? You must have an idea. My theory is that we should investigate everything strange that happened on that day so we can figure out what happened. The difference between me and you is that I have the courage to take the risks and ask the questions first.

Okay, before it's popular. You wait until it becomes popular and then you change your mind. Stop. And she made no request to. you whatsoever, Erica Kirk in four and a half hours. Well, no matter what your opinion is about Candace Owens and very few people don't seem to have one, she has a definite knack for commanding attention. Many people have been openly enraged by her theorising on the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

Many have been captivated nightly, but what they see as either a thrilling real-time investigation into a colossal cover-up or a cynical strategy to exploit the most emotive and consequential news story of the year. Several of the Candace Owens' claims are focused on Turning Point USA, the organization funded by Charlie Kirk, and now run by his widow Erica, who last week issued this firm request. She has been one of the main peddlers of these conspiracies, and she is making a huge amount of money on it. She is building her business off of these lies. What do you want to say to her and the other people that are putting these lies out into the world right now? Stop. That's it. That's all I have to say. Stop. Well, shortly after that, Candice Jones was invited to a lengthy private meeting with Erica Kirk,

which is now the catalyst for frenzy speculation that she may be having second thoughts about some of her theories. She's also, I should add, marking the release of her new book, making a sandwich. And amid all of that, she joins me now for her first interview since the meeting with Erica Kirk. Candice Jones, welcome back to Unsensored. It's good to be with you at the end of another year. Yes, and what a year it's been, not least for you. It's fair to say your fame continues to rise. Infamy, some would put it.

But you're always a welcome guest on Uncensored. Let's get to this extraordinary meeting that you had with Erica Kirk. It came right after we saw her say in that CBS town hall, you should stop, to stop with the conspiracy theories. So who approached who about you guys actually getting together? I was approached by turning point after Blake Neff, who works on Charlie's show, sort of fumbled this invite. It was, I almost say like it was a fake invite publicly. And then in the middle of the night, I said, oh, Candace is not able to be here tomorrow.

And they never messaged me. And I think there was quite a bit of public backlash with how they went about it. It just was just not the way that we tried to set meetings. And so what happened after was they reached out to me, said Aaron. said Erica would agree to do a live stream, just the two of us. And then after Erica's PR bullets, they reached out again and said that they felt that it was better for us to meet one-on-one as opposed to us sitting down having Megan Kelly moderate,

which was the idea originally. Right. And so where did you have your summit meeting? At a hotel here in Nashville. And a lot of your, as you know, a lot of your supporters, fans of your show, think that you may have been lured into a trap. Did anything while you were there make you think you were being lured into a trap? I don't know that a lot of my fans think that I was being lured into a trap. I think ahead of time they had some concerns, obviously, because I think in general, after you see a public assassination and you start tracking so many lies that are happening, there's going to be an understandable amount of angst that people feel. And I certainly felt the angst as well.

I've obviously been very clear that I am suspicious of some of the characters that are at Turning Point USA. So I totally understand why the public was concerned. When you saw Erica, she was obviously angry about you in that CBS Town Hall, what was her demeanor like when you met her? Well, I don't think that she thought she was angry

in that. I think maybe that was the characterization from the public. I certainly thought she was angry as well. And she sort of clarified that she was a bit annoyed by the questioning, the way in which Barry had set up the question with the podcaster, Candace Owens, which I think was definitely being driven more by Barry Weiss's feelings towards me, long-running feelings towards me than it was perhaps for the benefit of CBS and trying to pretend to be an impartial journalist.

So I think she was frustrated by the line of questioning is what she explained to me. So how would you categorize the thought? and a half hours. If you were looking at it in totality, what was the tone of the conversation? What do you think you both got out of it? Well, for me, answers to the questions of trying to understand why there were so many turning point lies and why instead of people acknowledging that these are lies, I felt that there was this billion dollar psychological operation to convince people that Katas is just crazy. These are lies. These are made up. And so I was very refreshed that they owned up to the lies. That was.

a great first step. And I think, you know, what motivates that may be because despite having what I would assume to be the best PR agents and crisis PR agents in the world, we're moving toward a different world where people don't really care, you know, if you are friends with the people at, what is it, WME and CAA and what they can do for you. That sort of power is ineffectual in this day and age. And so I think they recognize that and that the public simply doesn't believe the story that they've been fed and the psychological operation to convince us not to believe our own eyes

or to trust our common sense instincts has failed. And I think on their end, they got more clarity on how I figured out certain things, more clarity on why I am convinced that there are people that are inside of Turning Point that are dirty. And I was able to share more with that. off-record and I think that they got more clarity in exchange.

Before we get into some of the specifics, is there not a danger here? I've already seen it in some of the reaction from people that follow you, follow your show. Is there not a danger that in seeking to be the one that exposes the truth? And I don't know the truth about what happened to Charlie Kirk. I work on the assumption that this lone, twisted, weirdo Tyler Robinson, killed him for whatever reason, and I suspect personally that is how much, that is how this will play out. However, I have an open mind in a sense

that we still don't really know what happened with President Kennedy's assassination. I found the attempted assassination of Donald Trump very odd in the way that that's been handled by the authorities and so on. I'm not naive, as a journalist of 40 years, I'm not naive enough to say every single thing you've been saying

is obviously baloney, because I don't know. And we'll get to some of the more specific details. But is it not a danger, Candice? that by having a four-and-a-half-hour private meeting, rather than doing it in public, that all you're really going to do, collectively, actually, you and Erica Kirk, is fuel the conspiracy theories about what you may or may not have discussed in that meeting,

what part of the stuff that you've been broadcasting on your show she agrees with and doesn't agree with, and so on. Is there not a danger that this is the least transparent way of going about trying to get solutions here? Well, I'm a very transparent person. So my preference was to do it publicly, but I took the offer, obviously, to have any conversation because if I hadn't done that,

then I think everything I'm in doing would have appeared disingenuous. Like, oh, Candice is pretending that she wants answers to her questions, but when she got this offer, she suddenly said she didn't want to go because it wasn't public. They would have felt like I was moving the goalpost. So I was willing to take anything. And from their viewpoint, they felt like after the CBS news and the Fox News hits that Erica did,

it was, my understanding was that they felt that it was a good idea to bring the temperature down first by having us sit down and communicate. And that doesn't mean that they necessarily say, well, that's it. Now we're not going to have any other public discussion. I'm hopeful they will. I think they should. I totally agree with you.

More transparency, the better. Who else was in the meeting? Erica was there. Who else was there? Justin Strife, who is the C-O-O-Turning Point USA, and my husband was only there for a portion of it, and my cousin. So there were no lawyers, for example.

No, no lawyers. But they did phone their lawyer because I asked the question. I was like, look, I'm open to being wrong, obviously. If there is something, which I think the media was kind of hinting at, that they had more, but they couldn't share it with the public, I said, I'm happy to keep my mouth shut, and I want to feel good walking out of here that there is something there.

There is some sort of a smoking gun, and I will tell viewers just to be patient. And so they did call one of the lawyers working on this case, and it was not convincing at all. He said, in effect, all we have is what the public has seen. And we won't know more because we're investigating and looking for more. And so that just made me go, why is everybody being so over the top and ridiculous and using words like, the evidence is overwhelming?

It was Tyler Robinson when they don't have anything that's overwhelming to show if it's... They don't have a video of him taking the shot, which I think was something that I assumed, like, okay, there's all these cameras. Maybe they actually have that video and they're waiting for a moment

to release that to the public. They don't have that. Or at least, I can say, Erica's side has not seen that, and the lawyer communicated to me that they would not have access to that until earliest would be May, that right now they're just investigating,

just like we're doing back at home. You said that your motive for going to the meeting was that you would be able to come out and tell the world, Tyler Robinson killed Charlie Kirk. So are you in a position to say that? Do you believe as a consequence of your four and a half hours with Erica, do you believe that it is now most likely that Tyler Robinson killed Charlie Kirk? Absolutely not. I haven't seen one piece of compelling evidence that Tyler Robinson scaled the rooftops like Spider-Man on a college campus that he

didn't go to and fired one shot, a magic bullet shot, and killed Charlie Kirk. I just, I have not seen one piece of compelling evidence. In fact, I've seen more compelling evidence to the contrary. You've seen their vibrant ads illuminating billboards and train stations for many years. Now it's time you actually saw the show. Shen Yun is celebrating its 20th anniversary, a dazzling run which has seen iconic performances and iconic venues like the Kennedy Center, the London Coliseum and the Sydney Opera House. Each season tours to more than 200 cities worldwide.

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adjectives and I don't need a cheerleader. I need someone to be practical and to say, we don't have anything yet. I think the communication should be, we are hopeful that throughout this investigation, we are going to uncover more evidence that links Tyler Robinson to this crime. I do feel confident that he was involved in some capacity on that day. As I have said many times on my show, I was the one who broke the story that he was at the Dairy Queen throwing out clothes, a local Dairy Queen throwing out clothes in a nearby cemetery. And so I do think he was involved and multiple people were involved that day. And I think he did pick up clothes. I had communication with Lance's family. I had communication with Tyler Robinson's family. And for some reason,

Lance is being protected, which I find to be very strange. His own family thinks he's guilty of more. And they find it weird that the feds kind of glossed over him, almost as though he was a Fed operative, like he was working on behalf of them. And, you know, we've caught the feds have lied a lot. It's just a fact. Turning Point USA people have lied a lot. That is a fact, which they have agreed to. They said that these were mistakes, but they, you know, whether a mistake or not, the public was lied to. So I, yeah, I, this obviously, you know, matters deeply to me. And it's just absurd that people would think that I'm doing this for clicks. I know Charlie, I knew Charlie.

Charlie and I were very close. And it has been one of the most disgusting things ever that people first and foremost tried to start this psychological operation that Charlie and I hadn't spoken since 2019. they've lied about virtually everything that I've said on my podcast. I'm not going to let this go. We don't live in a country that is the embodiment of democratic principles if Charlie Kirk gets publicly executed and the media apparatus is doing everything they can to cover the tracks.

I would say to cover the tracks by demanding that there is no further inquiry into what happened on that day. That is not a country that I can get behind. Let's get to some of the details, because it seems to me you've put up a lot of theories. But a lot of them don't seem to have a clear conclusion from you about what you actually think happened. I mean, you've been all over this now ever since Charlie was killed. What do you believe happened to him? Who do you think killed him?

So I can't tell you definitively who pulled the trigger. I'm not going to lie to audiences and just put something out there that's not real. But what I can say is I feel convinced that the feds were involved. I can tell you that. I think the feds were involved in staging a cover-up. I think Cash Patel knows what happened. It did not happen on that day. I am convinced by me being told by people that are feds that he is not acting right

and that he is not wanting to share any information. Just a couple of people are allowed to even see anything. Fed told me that they can't even touch the Charlie Kirk file without risk of being fired and that he, you know, he's grown increasingly mad. The U.S. Marshals that were there when they were doing the quote-unquote manhunt for 33 hours said that Cash Patel effectively sent them on a wild goose chase, which is what was signal to the public when he said, we got them and it was actually the wrong person. And so it caused people to stop looking because they were convinced they had had the shooter.

They felt that that was in order to allow the real perpetrators of the crime. crimes to get away. I obviously... That could just be the fog of the immediacy of these things. We've seen it at Brown University. Exactly the same thing. They thought they had the killer. They thought they had the killer. It turned out to be the wrong person, right? It doesn't mean there's any great conspiracy by the feds to cover anything up. And again, even if what you're saying is true, I don't know, maybe you're right. If what you're saying is true, what is it they're covering up? You've so far intimated,

or inferred something weird involving Egyptian planes. So, you know, what's that about? You've inferred perhaps Israeli involvement in some way. You've certainly inferred a lot of Turning Point USA involvement. That's a lot of people getting involved here in the murder of Charlie Kirk potentially. But what I'm really curious about is, given you've been all over all this and you've been airing all these theories, but which one is it? It can't be all of these things.

Is it somebody, is it someone at Turning Point USA? I mean, who do you actually believe was behind this? Of course, it can be all of those things. And what's really ironic here is that there's a clip of Charlie in the last months leading up to his death where he speaks about a JFK assassination. And he says that multiple countries were involved, multiple people were involved,

the LBJ was involved, the feds were involved. And he's correct. That is what it means. When there is a conspiracy, there are multiple people that are involved. Of course, there's not one person on a grassy knoll who shot JFK. Well, it might have been that.

There are people who had to agree with it. We don't. Hang on. Hang on. The Dallas police were involved. I'm answering your question. I'm answering your question. You're asking, why aren't you just going to point to one person? That, that, to me, even that seems like a part of telling people not to believe their own gut.

Obviously, for this to have been pulled off, there had to have been multiple people involved. There had to have been people at turning point that were complicit in having this happen. Now, who knows what their motivations are doesn't mean maybe this person's like, hey, I'm going to help you. Hang on. Okay, let me stop you. Hang on. When you say obviously somebody at turning point, you are accusing right now people that worked with Charlie Kirk at the company he built, which is now run by his widow, you are directly accusing people in that company of being complicit in his murder, right? I want to just be very clear connecting that dot.

So I said that when there is a conspiracy, of course, there are going to be multiple people involved. So applying that same logic to JFK, right, knowing as I do and as Charlie did believe that LBD, was involved, which then implicates the feds as having been involved, which then implicates the Dallas Police Station as being involved. I believe Israel was obviously involved. They were the ones that wanted him dead for saying that what is now APEC should have to register under Farah. So there's motive. There are people that have to be involved on the ground that day. There have people that have to be willing to allow the perpetrators to get away. There has to be media that's complicit. And that's what literally Operation Mockingbird was. It was established to persuade the public.

Candice, here's a problem. Hang on, hang on. It was established. But here's a problem with everything you're saying. In this massive cover-up. You keep saying, and this is where people think you're prone to endless conspiracy theories for whatever reason. Okay.

Is that you keep using the phrase they have to have been involved. So by that yardstee, what you're saying is with JFK's assassination, and we recently had a lot of the files released, which did not conclusively prove any of these things, right? Now, again, I don't know what happened to JFK, but the one possibility you've not ruled, in is it was just as simple as Lee Harvey Oswald. It might have been.

We don't know, right? So when you say, when you say the media has to have been involved, Lyndon Johnson has to have been. But my problem, my problem is you're stating all these things as fine. We can't do 63. So it's such a nonsense to say that is Lee Harvey Oswald acting by himself. You don't know that? That's just such a nonsense. Again, no, I do know it was not Lee Harvey Oswald acting by himself.

And then that required national security to lock down the files. and that required the Fed to impart the CIA to impart Operation Mockingbird to convince the public that, oh, you can't go against there's a grieving widow. Don't look further into it. Don't believe your own eyes. Of course. But let me just say, this is your, but Candice. It was a grand conspiracy that killed JFK.

And I am going to say that confidently. All right, but Candice. We just think we have to grow up. We have to grow up. We can't keep pretending Lee Harvey Oswald to kill JFK. We can't keep doing that. That is your opinion. Today's show is sponsored by Oxford,

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It's a fact. The whole reason there are still conspiracy theories about JFK's assassination is none of this is a fact. You are floating it as your theory. Because the feds are never going to admit to their own crimes. That is the reason we're still discussing it. That may be the case, but you haven't, you can't prove that. Yeah, well, I can prove common sense that Lee Harvey Oswald did not stand on a grassyroll and assassinate a president. And LBJ, like Charlie says in that clip, which people

should go pursue. Yes, I know Charlie said that. All of the weird things that happened that day that were unusual. All right, but let's get back to, Charlie, all right. Let's get back to, suddenly he reversed course on all of JFK's policies and he was fighting APEC. Israel killed JFK. All right. Now, going back to your point about Turning Point USA. And the ridiculous idea that implicating, this is a $100 million organization. Yeah. Common sense, if this was not even a high-profile political assassination and this was just a guy who worked at a company that was $100 million, right?

Common sense inquiry is, was there a financial motive for this person to be dead? Okay. This is like Sherlock Holmes 101. And this is what I mean when I say that the public no longer trusts the media because you're acting us to be stupid. And we don't want to do that. We actually don't want to pretend that we're. clinical idiots who can't assess things and go, oh, there could be a massive motive here to have Charlie dead,

especially when it seems very strange that BB Net and Yahoo, when nobody even had a clue of what happened, this guy's doing the rounds on Fox News and saying, I didn't kill Charlie Kirk. That's kind of weird. Did you feel compelled to jump on to Pierce Morgan's show and say, just so everybody knows, I didn't kill Charlie Kirk. Why would he say that? Why was he so evolved that somebody who's fighting at 97,000 front war? Candice, I want to get to the reality of what you're actually saying. So when you say that somebody at Turning Point, USA, Charlie's company, was complicit in his murder, who was? I believe that there were multiple people at Turning Point who are, as I have said many times, my exact words are, they are engaged in a cover-up of what happened to Charlie on that day.

No, but who was involved in his murder? I didn't say that they murdered Charlie. You said that people at Turning Point were complicit in his murder? No, my exact sentence that I said was that there were people at Turning Point who are engaged in a cover-up. I believe that thoroughly. Caddice, you didn't say that. You said literally, they were. You said there were people at Turning Point complicit in his murder.

Okay. That's what you said. When you and I were discussing, that's why I said, let's go back. I was applying the logic of a conspiracy to JFK. I said, okay, if JFK, you have people that are complicit. Of course, if you apply that logic, if there is a conspiracy, there's going to be multiple people that are going to be complicit by the time in order for a large stage murder happen. You specifically said, you didn't say complicit in a cover-up. You said complicit in the murder.

Because I said who in turning point was involved in his murder. Let me clarify for you. Okay, you can keep saying what I said or you can listen to what I am saying. Okay. When I was using the analogy of JFK and we were connecting it, I was basically pushing back on you because you were suggesting that, you know, all of these people, being involved would be crazy. So I was applying the analogy of what happened to JFK. Well, you actually, if you go back and listen,

suggesting that a conspiracy note of pay well. You're floating theories. When we started talking about the J&P thing, you're perfectly in terms, let me make it clear. I really think you're not holding on to your thoughts. Candace, let me spell out my thoughts very clearly too. Let me start talking about day. Hang on, Candace, hang on.

Let me explain my thought to you. Let me explain my thought to you. Let me explain my thought to you. Candice. I was then connecting the dots and saying that in order for the JFK assassination happened, there had to have been tons of people that were complicit, right?

I heard what you said. Maybe you're the person who takes the cameras down. Maybe you're the person that told him to drive that day. Maybe you're LBJ. So they're not all complicit in the murder, but they're all at different varying stages

involved in the cover up, right? So that's what a grand conspiracy actually is. And I do believe, so you don't have to go back and we don't have to go through it. I'm telling you what I think about turning point. You know, I am very known for being honest about what I believe. You're not exactly a person

that you've got to pull teeth on. I believe that there are people at turning point who are engaged in covering up what happened on that day. But were any of them engaged in the planning of the murder of Charlie Kirk? I wouldn't know how it was planned. I cannot confidently make that statement. I can say confidently that I know they're engaged in the cover-up because I've been investigating what happened on that day and what transpired thereafter. I've been clear. I've named those people on my show. I've said they are engaged in a cover-up and I've listed the lies. So you don't have to try to make something

out of what I didn't say. I tell you what I think. It's already controversial. We don't need to get more controversial, okay? Do I think someone at Turning Point pulled the trigger? No. Obviously, I don't make someone at Turning Point. Who did pull the trigger? So how did I say that there... Did anybody at Turning Point, in your opinion, know that Charlie Kirk was going to be murdered? There is specifically two people at Turning Point USA, and I have communicated that information to Erica and Justin Strife that I would not be surprised if they had four knowledge of Charlie Kirk being assassinated. But do you have any evidence to that?

I'm not going to name, I am not going to name those people, okay, because it's not right for me to name those people until I know for a fact that they did. Did you give the names to Erica? Yes. I absolutely did. You gave the names to Erica of two employees, current employees at Turning Point,

who you believe were involved in the preparation for the murder of Charlie Kirk. Is that what you're saying? I told them that if I were in your shoes, these would be two employees that I would look further into. And what evidence do you have, that they had any prior knowledge of the murder? Because I don't have concrete evidence

is the reason why I'm not naming them. So I've been responsible. I'm not saying. But you're telling the widow that these two people may have been involved in the murder. But you see the problem? Well, the evidence for it is people that they,

there was not concrete evidence. It's like you're trying to get me to say something that I never said and then asking me to defend it. Not asking you've got. What's actually go to? You're asking me privately, did I communicate to them that I think you should look further?

That's called an investigation, Pierce. Okay. So what you're doing is a strategy of like if somebody, if somebody dies, you're saying to please, you can't ask any questions about anybody unless you have concrete evidence. We're at the stage of investigation. I'm not saying that. Yes, you can. And let me give people in the public permission to do this.

Follow your instinct. If you feel something is off, keep asking questions. No problem. Until you get concrete evidence. And when you have concrete evidence, you should name those people. No problem. I don't have the concrete evidence. I find their inconsistencies.

But you have named other people. peers, you can't ask me questions. You can't ask you questions. Let me finish it. I have communicated to them. their inconsistencies make me uncomfortable. I have communicated to them that somebody else who was a third party gave me some information that I am not yet comfortable as I am vetting it, giving it to the public

because that's the responsibility to do. These are private citizens. And that if I were in their shoes and had more access to information, I would go down that route, okay? Unless I am fully confident that they actually did have something to do, like here is the smoking gun, I'm not going to name those people. But the people I have named thus far are people that I believe. are engaged in a cover-up.

Like I said, hold me accountable for what I have said. Well, let's talk about one of those people. Let's talk about one of those people. Because the Turning Point producer, Blake Neff wrote this in early December. Ever since Charlie's murder, Candice Owens, has leveled a flood of allegations against people at Turning Point USA, people at Turning Point Action, and people who work for this show. She has made them against some of Charlie's closest friends and against some of his most dedicated employees.

She suggested that Michael McCoy, Charlie's chief of staff, knew Charlie would be murdered, was happy that he died. stayed silent because he was told he would be the next Charlie. Now, let's move then to, you said in your podcast that new information was given to you in your meeting with Erica Kirk about Mikey McCoy that's now satisfied you. On a video on the 3rd 7th of October, you devoted the whole episode of this guy and he's supposedly strange behavior. I never said I have information that satisfied me about Mikey McCoy.

Well, that's not a direct quote. Okay, well, you can clarify that in a moment. But let's hear what you said about Mikey McCoy before the meeting. So we decided to slow this clip down. And we're going to watch this clip slow down so you can see that it is exactly 834 milliseconds from the time that you hear the shot. That is how long it takes for Mikey McCoy to put the phone to his ear. Now, why is that precise timing so important? Because there's no dialing.

Mikey didn't have time to dial, okay? You can't dial and put your phone to an ear in 0.8, 3, 4 seconds. Now, what was the new information that you got in your meeting with Erica about Mikey McCoy? So I'm sorry, your gotcha is not going too well, but I never then said, I am now satisfied that bikey put the phone to his ear. What I presented to the public was what Eric needs me. No, no, no. Well, you did say, so you have a question that's satisfied.

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Bureau. Don't wait another month. Take back control in 30 seconds. Get your free personalised assessment and the best option for you at pds.com slash peers. That's pdsdeck.deck.com slash peers. PDSdeck.com slash peers. You inferred on your podcast after the meeting with Erica that you'd receive new information about Mikey McCoy, which had changed your mind. Would that be the best way to categorize it or changed some of your mind? I just presented it. Well, the only thing that I clarified on my podcast,

if that's what they're getting wrong, is that some people thought that he was using a nickname that was his middle name. And actually his real name is Michael, like first name Michael, because I was like trying to find something. And I was like, oh, maybe he's actually using his middle name. So that's what I clarified my podcast.

And you were given call logs, is that right? I presented. You were shown call logs? You were shown call logs? They gave me a printout of Mikey's call logs, and I gave it to the public. that's it. I mean, they're saying this, and then the public obviously comes back. So do you believe

Mikey McCoy had any prior knowledge of Charlie's murder? I can't say that he had prior knowledge of the murder unless I have something concrete. I can't say anything about prior knowledge. What I can say is what happened on that day. Mikey's behavior is weird on that day. I find it weird, like I said in the podcast yesterday, that

what has been communicated to the public is like he called Erica instantly, instantly. First thing you did was call Erica instantly. And that's actually the call logs show that he didn't call Erica. What are you suggesting about this guy? And then he had three ways. And then showing his call log,

showed that Blake Neff actually didn't tell the truth about what happened on that day. But here's the problem, Candice. You have a massive platform, as you know, millions and millions of people hang on your every word. When you devote a large part of an entire episode to the strange behavior of Charlie Kirk's chief of staff, you are putting a target on the guy's back.

You're inferring it has something to do with this or something to do with some cover-up or whatever it is you're inferring. You know what you're doing. when you do that. When you saw Erica Kirk, did you say to her that you believe there's something suspicious about Michael McCoy? Was she able to explain to you why there isn't? Or does she share your view that he is somehow complicit in this in some way? Well, we actually dedicated more time to speaking about his father, who I think is, it's strange

to me that that man called himself a pastor. I communicated fully that everything about that man makes my skin crawl. I think he's a bad person. I think he's involved with bad people. And this is obviously, like, Mikey's a son. And, you know, I asked a bit about Rob McCoy and Mikey McCoy's relationship. I would just like to be clear, I have never, like, I am not going to be emotionally conditioned to believe that asking questions when we aren't getting any answers is the crime itself. The crime was when Charlie got shot in the neck. So, oh, it's putting a target. You've already You said, though, you told Eric, the easiest way to remove, the easiest way, let me finish. You can't ask me questions, not let me finish my first-

You're contradicting what you've just said to me. You said to me earlier, you gave, what did I contradict? You said you gave two names of people in the turning point organization that you believe are complicit in some way. You gave those names, but you wouldn't name them because it wouldn't be right to do that. But you did name this guy, Mikey McCoy, who was the chief of staff. Because his actions are strange. You're two different things. Really, Pierce, I think you're having trouble holding on to two buckets of thought here.

Okay? You said in regards to someone that was complicit in murder, that is a very serious allegation. I gave them names of people that would not surprise me if they did have foreknowledge of Charlie Kirk's murder. You are now shifting gears and you're asking me about Mikey McCoy and why I am raising red flag is about his behavior on my day. Because I believe his behavior on my day was weird. That's, I think it's painfully obvious. So do you believe he's been complicit? I don't know people that don't duck when a shot comes down. So I'm pointing, I'm sorry that I have eyes and I am agreeing with the public that Mikey,

McCoy's behavior was weird on that day. Okay, these are two different things. Now, if I'm going to make an assertion that somebody had something to do with planning this murder, I better be damn sure. And I need, if I said that on my podcast, right? That's all I'm saying. I had never made that claim that Mikey McCoy planned Charlie Kirk's assassination. No, I think like a lot of the claims you're making is it's difficult to work out what you're

actually claiming. You're throwing a lot of mud in the air, including people's names, which immediately then, and has millions of people chasing after these guys on social media. I'm sorry they get caught lying. Like, I'm sorry. What is this? This is like the people, the public is actually being abused. Okay, let's stop pretending that the victim is Rob McCoy.

No, the public is being abused because you're basically saying, stop noticing that people at Turning Point USA are lying. No, I'm not. How dare? No, I'm not. Can this and the public? No, yes, you are. No.

How dare can this is what you're doing? When there's an emphatic repudiation of what you're saying. If Mikey lies. and Rob McCoy lies and Blake Neff lies. And yes, all of these people have lied on record after the assassination. And the public goes, hey, that's kind of a weird lie. You're like, how dare you put a target on their back

by noticing that they're lying? I mean, what weird psychological operation is this? Don't lie. Don't lie. Okay, but do you believe Erica Kirk has been lying about it? No, I have been explicit on my show when people were saying, why aren't you attacking Erica Kirk? I said, because Erica Kirk has not lied. To the extent that she lies, I will call it out.

is why I did call out when she lied, okay? When she said Charlie Kirk never received any text messages the night before saying that he was worried about that he was going to get murdered tomorrow. I instantly said, well, here we have it. That's a lie. He definitively did send out text messages to both Dan Flood and Andrew Colba. And we met in person, she clarified that, okay, yes, that's real. And we didn't know until you said it because he was using a different app and she was checking

his eye messages. So to me, if you lie, you're going to make an enemy of me. Just don't lie. How about that basic requirement to say to people, don't lie about what happened on that day. Don't lie about what you did on that day. Because that's the first clue to investigators that that person should be looked at further. Again, this is common sense. Okay. Let's move to something else, Blake Neff said. He said, Candice has made other stranger allegations involving French paratroopers in maroon shirts, Egyptian Air Force planes flying out of Provo, Utah, a potential underground assassins traveling through unseen tunnels. point in November, she started wildly throwing suspicion on members of Utah Valley soccer team for wearing hoodies. I could go on. There's always something new coming up. None of it ever pans out because from a start, there's been nothing there. What do you say to that? He's lying. And that's the reason why Blake Neff is a suspicious character. I mean, him saying that I pointed to a soccer,

UVU person is complete fiction. I never had discussed that person on my show. Somebody was asking for a clearer photo of the person on X. And I'm I shared it, no suspicion, never said this person anything to do with anything. I never covered him as a suspect on my show of anything at all, didn't ask for more information on his person. That kid instantly responded and said, oh, those are our school colors, and that was it. And turning point tried to turn it into a thing. Why are you doing that? Regarding the Egyptian planes, that's a fact. Why are you saying she said that there was a military Egyptian plane on the ground that day? There was. In fact, there were two. So why are you pretending that

that's like a weird thing to notice? And that is why people have been flagged about these planes. To his other... Let me ask you about the planes. I have never allowed to answer a single question that you say in entirety before you move on to the next question. You can't just keep talking at infinitum. I'm allowed to ask you another question. No, it's called answering. You just read an entire statement of multiple points of place.

It's called filibustering. I got to the second point and you're like, let me ask you a question. No, I want to ask you. You already asked me a question. I'm trying to answer the question that you asked. No, I want to ask you a follow-up specifically about the Egyptian planes given you've now addressed it, which is where is the evidence that any of these Egyptian planes, tracking Erica Kirk.

I am going to be publishing the full document because there's not even just two planes, there's actually four planes that have been flying in and I should be more thorough because I realize that the spreadsheet I posted people. Not that, let's let me, can I just please without you cutting me off without like answer one thing?

Okay, thank you. These Egyptian planes, more broadly speaking, now that we have gone deeper onto the planes recognizing that the reaction to them is not normal, what we can say is, that the Egyptian planes are tied to Israel. They've been flying in that of Israel with their transponder off for years. But regarding the Turning Point USA picture, more broadly speaking, turning point USA faith. Okay. Obviously, Erica has been involved in a lot of the church stuff. It's not specifically tracking just Erica.

It's turning point faith events, broadly speaking. I gave that information as well. I told Justin Strife and Erica, I'm happy to give you this like color-coded spreadsheet. There's no question. There's a correlation here. between Turning Point USA, Faith, in particular, which, by the way, from the beginning of this, I've said something is wrong with this faith contingent, especially because Rob McCoy for a while was heading up that department, and he makes my skin crawl. And so, yeah, I have the evidence for that,

and we're going to actually publish it on our website. There can be no question, which I should have done from the very beginning. But let me ask you. Showing that these planes were tracking Charlie, at various times there where Erica is, various times there where Rob McCoy is. But the consistent thread here is faith. Faith events, like Kingdom to the Capitol tour.

Assuming you're right, and I don't know, but I know Erica, Kurt, when asked about this, said on CBS, if you want to go through my flight log, go right ahead, it's very boring. You, Candice, say I was here on this date. I have a photo on my phone to prove I was actually in hospital having contractions. So that's one thing she's directly repudiated. But let's assume for a moment you're right. And that all these Egyptian planes were flying around tracking Charlie Kirk and Turning Point, Faith,

and Eric O'Conagena. Why? What is your theory? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. What's your theory, though? You must have an idea. My theory is that we should investigate everything strange that happened on that day so we can figure out what happens. But are you suggesting that it's an investigation? Are you suggesting Egypt? Why are we pretending that we don't know why we ask questions? Like, you're a journalist. You know what this is. You're like, what's going on? What's your theory? Why do you want to know why these planes were tracking Charlie? Well, my theory is that we are being sold absolute Fed slop. The media is doing their operation, Bockingbird Part 2 scenario by telling us, well, unless you absolutely have a conclusion,

you can't even ask the question. Yes, we very well, Dan, can't. Keep asking consistent questions until we get a clarified explanation for what happened on that day. And right now, we have nothing, okay? And that is the reason why people are watching my show, because I'm the only one not treating them like their absolute idiots who don't have two eyes, who believe in magic bully theories, and who understand that Egyptian planes should not have been tracking Charlie even three times this year would be an anomaly. They've been tracking him. We don't know where it's going to end,

but we are going to keep asking questions until we get clear answers. Candice, it may be that the person in the media spewing bullshit to the public is you. No, nice try. It's not. It's you by saying, why are you asking questions? Don't you worry about Mikey's feelings?

Everyone knows what this is. And like I said, because we have the example, the concrete example of after JFK's assassination, the media members quite literally being pulled put on the payroll of the CIA, we have a historical example that we can look at and go, we're not doing that again. It doesn't matter how many times you keep telling the public that I'm spewing bullshit, it is only because there has not been anything that has come out of this investigation

that makes any sense that the public is not listening to, I am sorry to say this, peers, people like you. And what I love about you and I sitting down is that this exact same time last year, you were doing the same weird questioning and making all these things when I said that they were committing a Holocaust against the Gossens. And then you changed your mind. Actually, I see this time. I'll see you next year when you change your mind again.

Actually, we have more information about what happened. And you realize that the difference between me and you is that I have the courage to take the risks and ask the questions first, okay, before it's popular. You wait until it becomes popular and then you change your mind. You may remember that one of your courageous moves was to repeatedly tell the world that Brigitte Macron is a man. As you now know, as you now know, we had a $300,000 bet to charity about this because she's a woman. Yes. It's my view. She's not a woman.

We're going to find out, is the point, because it's going to court, they're suing you. And when she proves, as she will, that she's a woman, because it's very easy to prove, and you lose that case. So easy that she refuses to do it for years. But then it will become more obvious to people that, look, I think you're a brilliant operator of what you do. I like you personally. You know that, right? None of this is personal for me about you at all. I just have watched him last year from Bridget McRoe and now into the Charlie Kirk story.

I think you've developed a modus operandi. To put it politely, is you flying what we would call in the world of journalism kites and just seeing what can cause the most merry hell, therefore get you the biggest audience, therefore make you the most amount of money. And people have, as you know, you've been widely attacked now by a lot of people who say that you're just a ghoul, a vulture. You're doing this deliberately. You're inventing things or just flying ludic-cruson-

To make money. I do think you are the wrong person to give an assessment. given, like, you know, your history and celebrity. Can you not interrupt me? But your rule? I do think it's pretty rich. It's pretty rich coming from you is all I'm going to say. That's me putting it very nicely, given your background, your career, your celebrity

involved in, you know, Princess Diana. Wrong messenger is what I'll say right off the top, okay? Wrong messenger. What you are mistaking, or I guess we're not even mistaken because you know what this is. You're talking about power versus the people, and you are always on the side of power first. You're on the side of the Israelis. It's so horrible. And, oh, I'm going to pretend I don't see tens of thousands of Ghazins dying.

I've actually been very critical of the Israelis, as you know where your bread is buttered. Everybody knows regime of the Israeli government. Okay. It's very easy to present photos of 30 years of your life. Brigitte keeps teasing, oh, I'm going to, I'm where I'm going to. Brigitte, we're going to find out, all right? We asked you for some photos and you refuse to do it. And everybody knows that Charlie Kirk was not shot by Tyler Robinson on a rooftop.

I am sorry that in this day and age, there seems to be. to be such a shortage of testosterone that a woman has to be the person that states the obvious, right? I invite you to join me, and I know that you will by the end of next year because they're not going to get away what they did to my friend, Charlie Kirk.

And I am not going to change my mind. Least of all, when I am being called dames by someone who has quite a year, a background and experience in doing things because it's lucrative and not only because it's sensitive. Sure. It's always lovely. You can call me a hypocrite as much as well.

I don't care. It's fine. I'm just simply saying what other people have been saying about you. I didn't say I felt that. Thank you. I'll let you know people are saying about you. I'll keep you post about you. I read it all the time. But I would say that I, like I said, at the start of this interview, I don't know whether any of the things you're saying are true or not. I just do know you're saying a huge amount of stuff. It's making you very wealthy. You're getting millions and millions of people coming in, which by the way. What is this idea that's making me very

wealthy? Can you actually explain that slowly? Yes, I'm going to explain it to you slowly because I had a Huge run-in, for example. This is just like a talking point. No, no, I'm going to explain exactly what I mean. When Sandy Hook happened and Alex Jones began weaponizing the Sandy Hook tragedy and weaponizing the grief of the poor parents who'd lost their children, and I began to attack him in public. And then eventually there was a court case and it turned out he'd been spewing deliberate lies.

And every time he spewed them, they found he made hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars in the immediate aftermath of spewing the repeated lies that it was all staged and the families were actors and so on, which he knew to be lies. And he made himself extremely rich and ended up with a billion dollar defamation finding against him. Because he'd been deliberately weaponizing people's grief.

And the charge... I'm asking you to explain that the actual financial metrics, how was he making money? I'm explaining to the analogy, which is there are, as you know, right now, a lot of people, from Tim Pool to New York Post to others who've come out very strident, in the last week alone at the last week

and say that's exactly what you've been doing with Erica Kirk. Yeah, but you haven't answered the question. So this is just made up as I said, this is a soft fluff. You're suggesting that I'm making money. Did I sign a new advertiser? Are we reading more ads? Do we put this somewhere else? The more views you get on YouTube? The more money you make. Did I sell a T-shirt? Okay, but

come on now. Pears, money on YouTube? Are you kidding me? I was already in a top 10 podcast globally before Charlie Krip was assassinated. And if you think that I would want my friend to be assassinated, could go from being in the top five to being number one, you're out of your mind. No, I'm telling you. I'm telling you. The point is that nobody, everyone who is saying that I'm making more money cannot say how I'm making more money because it's just not true.

Okay, so you're like, oh, she got a bump in viewership talking about Charlie. Well, are your YouTube numbers up? Everyone in the world because it was a public assassination. Are you? Are you? Are your YouTube? In the weeks following and it went back to normal. Candice, are your YouTube numbers up since you've been doing the Charlie Kirk investigations? What I am saying to you is that this is the exact same. argument you guys had about Brigitte. So it can't, and then the same exact same argument you had.

About the Blake Lively thing. Okay, but about the Blake Lively thing. So you can't keep saying that, oh, she's always in the top 10 because she's talking about something. Or I'm just, this is my podcast and it's me. It's just me. People enjoy my podcast because I don't treat them like they're idiots. I don't treat them like they should accept that Brigitte McCrone

just can't present one photo of herself raising her kids across 30 years. It's just too much to ask. Oh my gosh, it's ridiculous. How dare you? intrusion of privacy. She'd rather file a transatlantic lawsuit than to just produce photos and put all of this to bed. Candace, that's different between you and I. So now there's this lie, this repeat lie from Kamala Chronicles, which we did, looking into Kamala's background because it was relevant to the election cycle. Then we did the Blake lively lawsuit and they said, oh, she's trying

to change her brand. That's the only reason her numbers are up. Then we went to Brigitte, which I lost, by the way, I had to get a whole career change when I first covered that story. So jokes on me, if I'm doing this to make money, but I was willing to be fired to tell the truth. And then it's all about Brigitte. And now we've arrived at Charlie Kirk. I feel like there's something about that that actually is just people not being willing to admit

that what people appreciate about me and why they keep coming back is that I'm willing to take risks to tell the truth. No, I think it's... Don't get me wrong. I think it's... I was already sold out on ads to the end of the year because our podcast was successful.

I have not sold a T-shirt, nothing with his name on it. It's just me. Candice. The reason I told the Alex Jones story he did incredibly well out of Sandy Hook with his investigations. But as was established in the court case against him,

brought by the families eventually, and I think we're going to see the same thing with Brigitte Macron and you, is that he was weaponizing deliberate lies for money. And I think you did that... Brigitte McCrone has a penis. Bridget McRone does not have a penis. No, she doesn't.

I'm sorry. She had three children. Did she get it removed? She had three children. Yeah, you can have adoptive children. You can call somebody. But Brigitte McCrone was born a dude named Jean-Michel Trow. No.

And I just feel, I want you to know that. I want you to know that Brigitte McCrone probably stands peeing up. Probably pee standing up is what I wanted to know. The beauty is, we have a big bet. I think Brigitte stands. We have a big bet and we're going to find out because it's going to court. And, you know, you will lose that court case. I think you know you will.

Yeah. I am not going to lose a court case because Brigitte is presenting evidence that Brigitte was born a woman because that's never even been offered. That's just their PR coming out. and saying these things. Nobody believes that Brigitte McCrone is just unable to present any pictures. Nobody's asking for blood. All right.

Let's wait for the court case. Let's wait for the court case. Okay, great. And you will be proven wrong again unless there's just federal corruption. Okay. In the fallout from your encounter with Erica Kirk, Nick Fuentes said Candice Owens is done.

All out. What a letdown. Oh, L.O. Tim Paul has called you evil. He says you're motivated by the... voted by the fact you were secretly in love with Charlie Kurt. Is that true? This is such ridiculous.

This is what I mean when I say like it's like LOL Fed Slop. Oh, did Tim Poole say that I was secretly in love with him? This is, it's so, come on, there's no substance to this. This is so ridiculous. By any means necessary, come out and attack Candace. The New York posted an article that I, it was honestly amazing fan fiction. They even said that I used to work at Daily Wire. I'd throw my keys at my staff that my staff hated to me.

I did not drive to work a single day when I was at the Daily Wire. They had a driver take me there. So we're just now in this weird spot where they're just making things up every single day. They said that my husband had a Qatari passport, and I just ignore it. And I keep investigating because I know what it's meant to do. It's meant to distract me. I'm very aware of what these people are trying to do, and it's not working. So I don't really feel moved by the rantings of Nick Fuentes and Tim Poole.

All right. Which of your theories when you were with Erica, did she think was convincing? We didn't, what do you mean by that? Well, did you think that Israel was involved? Did you think that there were French paratroopers involved? Did she think the Egyptian planes were complicit? Did she believe that Turning Point employees were involved? Which of the many theories you've flown?

I guess, did she think is actually got any merit to it? I think you're characterizing it like I sat down and tried to convince her of my theories. That wasn't the nature of the meeting that we had. I shared information with her and told her, you know, what the feds were ignoring. And these are the things I'm looking into. Obviously, explained to her about the Egyptian plains and this bizarre connection to, you know, turning point faith events and tours. And, yeah, I mean, it was kind of like sharing the information with her.

So there was nothing that... But again, here's my problem, Candace, with the whole thing, is it? Everything is like, you're just asking questions. You're sharing information. You're doing this. But when I actually ask you to be specific about, who do you think did what? That's where it all hits a shuddering halt.

You don't know, do you? You don't actually know anything. Of course, if I actually knew who shot Charlie Kirk, I would be instantly publicizing it. I'd say, I figured it out. I figured it out. That's not how an investigation works. Pierce just doesn't work like that, okay?

You have to follow the clues until you arrive at a conclusion. Of course, I cannot confidently state that it was, you know, John Smith who shot Charlie Kirk from the left side. I don't know that yet. I don't know that information yet. And when I do know it, I will publicize it without question. I just am pointing out the inconsistencies, the lies. He was not shot with 30-od-6, and he did not have a man of steel neck.

And that's completely made up. Well, actually, that's going to be my show today. I do now factually know that that man-of-steel thing was made up and that never came from the surgeon's mouth. So again, we have another lie. We have another lie coming out of Turning Point USA. And put in quotation marks that lie, that it was a direct quote from the surgeon. That was made up.

So, yeah, I'm going to keep track of all of these lies, deliver them to the public, and allow them to surmise. I'm going to allow them to think critically while it's still legal. I know it's barely legal in the UK. And it's becoming increasingly less legal here in the United States. So I'm going to use every opportunity to ask every question. Okay. Pre the meeting with Erica, you repeatedly questioned why we weren't being told where Charlie Kirk is buried, or even if he has been buried yet,

did you get those answers? You have the wrong commentator who questioned that. I think that was Milo Yanopoulos. You've never questioned? You've never asked where Charlie's buried? Nope. I just communicated to the people that he had a Catholic funeral mass, which, because people were saying I was lying about him

going to a Catholic church, which was another random attack that I had to endure. So I never said that people don't know where Charlie Kirk's buried. That's just the wrong commentary, wrong commentator. Do you know where he's been better? I actually genuinely never got to that question with Erica, but I do know where he's... I think the implication that Milo made, again, you'd have to ask him, was that he's not buried. I do know where there is a spot for him to be buried or to be held in a mausoleum, but I never,

that's just, yeah, you have the wrong person on that. Erica was emphatic in the CBS thing, that she wanted you to stop with the conspiracy theories, or maybe you've got it all right. And all of this stuff is true, and it's all involving the Israelis and Egypt and turning point in a mass conspiracy with this young kid. Tyler Robinson brought in, and they're all involved in this dramatic murder of Charlie Kirk. Maybe, let's just assume for a moment you're 100% right. But she did tell you publicly before you met to stop. What's clear is you're not going to stop.

So is she okay with you now, continuing to... talk about your theories, or does she still want you to stop? Well, she didn't ask me to stop. If that's the question that you're asking, is throughout that meeting, did she say, can you stop? So your response to that is what? I'm telling you that then we had a conversation, and I was not asked throughout that conversation to stop.

And to the contrary, I shared information that I had and I got information from them. Right. That helps me to further focus. You will carry on with the theories. Until I feel confident of who killed Charles. Kelly Kirk, I will not stop investigating this. And Erica is okay with you doing that?

I just, I don't know how many other ways to answer your question, other than saying she did not ask me or request for me to stop in person. And when we spoke about that moment, she felt that Barry Weiss was being Barry Weiss. And she made no request of you whatsoever, Erica Kirk, in four and a half hours. Request in what sense? How she would like you to conduct yourself about the murder of her husband going forward? No.

nothing at all. No, she didn't make a request for me to conduct myself in any way. And she expressed no concern about any of the theories that you've been putting out. I think she probably knows me through a lens of her husband, so I don't know if that would be a thing that she would have done. But no, she did not ask me to conduct myself in any way. That seems to just be coming from the media of how I should conduct myself. Am I right in thinking that your mind has taken you to a place

where you genuinely believe that Israel, Egypt, turning point employees, and Tyler Robinson, and potentially others, but they were all involved in the murder of Charlie Kirk. Well, to be fair, I think we're all putting Egypt in parentheses because we kind of don't think that we have exactly a strong Egyptian lobby here in the United States, and there is a lot of historical precedent with Israel kind of using Egyptian planes are using an Egyptian narrative when they want to accomplish things.

So, I mean, I just pointed out that this is an Egyptian plane, but Israel, I got tons of questions about, yeah. I think Israel is a very good place to start when Bibi Net and Yahoo is just denying and just way too involved in the beginning. That was weird. Everyone felt it was weird, and they were right to feel that it was weird. And when Bibi admits that he called him two weeks before and invited him to Israel, like, what's that about?

People are being, also because it's the, it just happens. happens to be that from the very beginning, Zionists don't want us investigating the Charlie Kirk assassination. So it's just, I would say, the usual suspects. You are correct that I have and sent information and it has not been denied by the L.A. Palace, the White House, or the Pentagon, that the French Foreign Legion was on the ground that day, again, something that I flagged to Turning Point USA, Justin Strife, that for whatever reason, the feds don't want this information, which is a bit strange, or don't seem to be interested. or maybe they're pretending to investigate it.

So we add the French Foreign Legion to the list as well? Yeah, but the French Foreign Legion is like a bandit of, you know, I mean, what I've learned about them now is it's like a bunch of different countries. It's not just French people. And yeah, that all sounds about right to me. Is there anything else I can answer? You know, I think we've probably covered it. It's a lot of people involved in this murder.

And my guess, Candace, for what it's worth, is it'll turn out none of that is true. and that it was Tyler Robinson, who for his own politically motivated reasons, hence brandishing the bullet casings with words like anti-fascist slogans and so on, that's why he did it. He believed that he'd been led to believe Charlie Kurt was a fascist, so he had to kill him, which is a different issue about why I feel so strongly that these words shouldn't be banded about, because in deranged young minds, it can have that effect on them.

We see it time and again. But look, if it turns out that you're right and that Charlie Kirk was murdered by a group of people, including the French Foreign Legion, Egypt, Israel, turning point, his own employees, and they were all in on this to murder Charlie Kirk, you will be proven 100% right. And I will be the first to salute your brilliant investigative journalism.

But in return, if it turns out you're completely wrong, then I would expect you to come back on uncensored and admit you were completely wrong. Is that a fair deal? I was hoping that by the time we did this, I'd be able to do that because they showed me something that was so compelling.

That didn't happen. So, yeah, deal is on, as always. Between you and I, the deal is on. Excellent. I'll add it to the list. Candice, I want to wish you a Merry Christmas. We're both Christians. We have that in common. And it's always good to have you on uncensored.

I'll say a bit about you. I'll say this to everyone. You come and do these things. You don't duck them, you don't shirk them, you don't hide away. You stand behind what you say. My only question for you is not for you, to bow you, is when people say to me, do you think she believes this stuff? I don't know.

I don't know if you do or not. I know that Alex Jones didn't. It's just so fun being of a lone person to be attacked every second and every minute of every day that I was just like, you know what, this is so fun for me. I love it. I love the threats of losing your job and people going after your sponsors and having to worry about your security.

It's so fun. You know, it would be so easy. I would be a billionaire. I'd be on the cover of Vogue magazine if I would just say the thing. If I would just be a federal operative and tell people to trans their kids and tell them like Rajit's like a really beautiful woman

and tell them that Charlie Kirk was shot by one person on a rooftop with impeccable luck who scaled the rooftops like Spider-Man. That's the easier route in life. Unfortunately, spiritually I can't do it. I'm just my granddad's granddaughter. And he couldn't lie. I can't lie.

And I don't want my kids to grow up in a world where a bunch of freaks and pedophiles are in power, which is in the circumstances that we live in today. We cannot live in a world where Jeffrey Fstein is being protected by the government and Charlie Kirk is being publicly assassinated. I can't do it. I won't do it. And let the chips fall where they may.

Candice Owens, always good to have you on uncensored. Thank you very much. Always a pleasure. Here's Morgan Unscensored is proudly independent. The only boss around here is me. If you enjoy our show, we ask only one simple thing. Hit subscribe on YouTube and follow Pierce Morgan Unsensored on Spotify and Apple Podcasts. And in return, we will continue our mission to inform, irritate and entertain.

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