Piers Morgan Uncensored - ‘I’m SORRY!’ Kelsey Grammer Apologizes To Piers Morgan! Plus Jennifer Welch ‘Trump Facist’ Debate

Episode Date: September 4, 2026

Outspoken progressive commentator Jennifer Welch has gained attention for her fierce criticism of President Donald Trump and Vice President JD Vance, with her provocative rhetoric generating strong reactions from both supporters and opponents. Her approach has sparked debate over whether Democrats need to adopt a more aggressive political strategy to counter the MAGA movement. Supporters argue that Democrats must fight fire with fire, while critics warn that increasingly combative rhetoric risks deepening America’s political divisions and undermining claims to the moral high ground. Welch’s new book, Not Today, Fascists, sets out her political views and examines the battle between the American left and right, the Trump presidency and the future direction of the Democratic Party. Piers Morgan is joined by Welch plus host of the Daily Wire’s Isabel Brown Show, Isabel Brown, to discuss. Then; Hollywood actor Kelsey Grammer joins Piers to discuss American history, conservatism and the state of the United States, following the release of The American Opus, a major work exploring the American story. Grammer, one of Hollywood’s most prominent conservative voices, argues that the American experience has often been poorly represented and understood, drawing on his long-standing interest in the country’s history. Polymarket: AOC’s chance of becoming Democratic nominee - https://polymarket.com/event/democratic-presidential-nominee-2028 (00:00:00) Introduction (00:01:47) Kelsey Grammer interview begins (00:03:37) Grammer talks Trump (00:14:31) Grammer discusses the many tragic events in his life (00:25:25) Grammer on a possible pathway to a Frasier reunion  (00:27:17) Grammer apologizes to Piers for storming off his CNN show (00:31:42) Jennifer Welch interview begins (00:34:30) Piers challenges Welch for calling Trump “fascistic” (00:44:43) “Democrats need to become the party of FDR again” (00:50:00) Erika Kirk (00:59:43) Isabel Brown interview begins (01:05:52) Isabel Brown gives her view on the Lindsay Clancy case Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What a stupid question that is, actually. He is one of the worst candidates I've ever seen. And then I have some other fat drugs. I said, are you taking this stuff? Yeah, I said, it's not working. You look like shit. The president is certainly capable of going back. His ability to be frank and respond in kind.

It's garnered a lot of support from some people and also inspired a lot of hatred from others. Trump's an asshole, and I'm going to call him an asshole. This man is America's Hitler. I might have a tinge of. respect for Erica Kirk if she were to talk about what really killed her husband, which is guns. It is because of normalization of that violent rhetoric that we've seen people take to the streets celebrating Charlie's assassination.

Kelsey Grammer is an extremely rare specimen in show business. He's funny as well as serious. He's conservative as well as popular. And he's the only major star to walk out of one of my interviews before it had even begun. But among his rare in Hollywood quality, is, of course, a sincere love of history. And it was this passion which led to the creation of the American opus, a monumental tome on the American story, which had, according to Grammar, been very badly told. Well, Kelsey, Grammer, joins me now.

Kelsey, welcome to Unsensored. Hi, Pears. How are you? Last time I saw you, we were both attending the London Cigar Smoker of the Year Awards. I said, yes. Boysdale, yeah, right? I'm a regular attendee. It's a fun night. And even though I only smoke about three or four a year, I was delighted to be a winner. Let's get to this extraordinary project. I've got the book in front of me. It's absolutely gigantic. It's 800 pages long. It has a forward by President Trump. Why did you want to get so personally involved in Ms. Kelsey? Well, it's sort of dovetailed. This connection, this relationship I have with the office guys came out of a process.

I was working on started about a year, year and a half ago to build a mobile app. I called it the American Revelation now, which is basically an historical look back, sort of a get acquainted dance between people who do know and don't know what their history is in the United States of America. And we are trying to actually offer up different ideas about what America really is, what it represents, what its history really is. There are certainly certain, let's say, prisms through which our history has been shown to people, and some of those are reflective of goodness, some aren't.

And we're looking for a way to actually introduce people who don't know or reacquaint those who once knew about the greatness of the Founding Fathers and where they're really coming from and what their motivations were. to paint the idea that maybe the founding fathers are basically us, that we aren't that removed from them, that we have the same desires, same hopes for a better place, a better government, a better world in which to live. And so that's my dedication to this. This is how I got involved with the opus guys.

They said, we want to do a book, basically about moments in time and the American story. And this is it. So I volunteered to cooperate. I have a connection with the president, and I've asked if he would be willing to go ahead and write the forward for the book, and he did. You know, President Charles, I've only been a long time, as you have, one thing he definitely is,

is he loves his country, he loves America, and he feels very strongly about the way that he thinks it's gone in the wrong way, and he's tried as he sees it to fix the problems. One of the biggest problems I think is, not just relating to American history, but probably every country, is social media has really directed young people

to think certain narratives about things in a way that I think is really unfortunate. What do you think of the biggest misconceptions that young people in America have about American history? Well, I think it's very, very... there's a monetary motivation through most of these portals and most of these social apps and stuff like that that actually are trying to make money. The best way to make money is to find a side, to pick a side or to create a side that will draw people toward spending their money. I mean, it comes down to that.

And thinking as sort of a group think way. The American mentality was originally designed to honor and encourage individual activity and thinking, to make people individually responsible for their well-being and for the government that they choose, elect. And I believe that the individual is America's most important natural treasure, national treasure. And that's been going out of style lately. Group think is not a good thing, but it is very, very profitable. So we go to these words like racist, racism. I mean, if you've run out of ideas, you just call somebody a racist,

and oh, you've got it back on their heels. Well, that's just nonsense because I know I'm not a racist. I know that. And the weird thing is when people who accuse me that I'm likely a racist, They also know it's not true, but it's a weapon. So we've reduced our ability to get along to an opposition of ideas will lead necessarily to name-calling, name-calling and isolation and oppression of ideas. And I think that's wrong.

And I do think we should actually stop calling each other names and ideas. Somebody wants to ask me a while ago if I actually became the president, of the United States, what would be the first thing I would do? The first thing I would do would be to reintroduce good manners. I mean, you'd have to be honest and say that President Trump himself calls a lot of people names and isn't always the great upholder of good manners. I mean, I do think it comes from the top. Sometimes when I hear him go off at people, particularly like female journalists and so on,

I don't like it. And I wish he wouldn't do that. He can't help himself. And he's always been like that. and he's done it to me. But I don't like it. I do think that there's been, as a consequence, not just of Trump,

but of many people in public life, there's been a reduction in what you, as you just said, of basic manners. Well, it's interesting. I would like to introduce it on both sides. The president is certainly capable of going back at people who ask him, as he often says, that's a stupid question.

Now, is he right or wrong? He's probably right. When he was asked just the other day, would you consider using a nuclear weapon against Iran? He turned and said, that's a stupid question. And it was. So his ability to be frank and respond in kind, I think is something that's garnered a lot of support from some people and also inspired a lot of hatred from others. This notion that he's a despot or a dictator, particularly he's an elected president. And so people are entitled to talk the way they want to talk.

President Trump is the first Republican who's ever gone back at people who say things about them. And so, yeah, is it unattractive at times? Perhaps. But he's the first guy ever stood there and said, no, I'm not going to let you call me that. I'm not going to let you pull down your face and identify yourself and say, is this face offensive to you? I mean, the question's offensive. It's not easy saying anything positive about Trump in Hollywood.

It's a very, very liberal town and a very liberal state. How do you handle that? Well, I'm who I am. I'm an honest guy. I call him how I see them. Like I've already explained, I'm not much into a group think. And I've always been kind of a rebel. it's the old Groucho Marx thing, you know, why would I want to belong to a club that, you know, would accept me? Yeah.

So I'm not really a guy who thinks, oh, I want to think just like you do. I tend to go against that. So when I moved to California 40 years ago now, I realized I didn't want to be a member of that club. So it was most natural for me to be resistant. And I am a conservative anyway. I think conservatively. I think the individual is the most responsible person for our own future. And I would not turn to government for my future, for my well-being in any way.

I want lean, clean, small footprint government. I don't think Social Security administration should be run by 62,000 employees. I think they could do this a lot better. And they keep telling us they're running out of money, and I think there's a reason. were too big. You felt so strongly, Kelsey, about the way schools are teaching kids about America, that you've actually homeschooled at various stages three of your children. You said on the Katie Miller podcast that you believe children are being taught by teachers

America is a crap country, and you equated it to child abuses. You said, so they children end up searching your soul for why you're not a good person, why you aren't good anymore, why our country isn't good, So that means mum and dad aren't very good either, are they? And there's a whole series of questions that come into it that are basically child abuse, which is a really interesting point because we've been sort of bombarded

with, I think, a general sentiment, both in the US, UK, other countries, that we've got to be ashamed of our past. We've got to be guilty about our past. We've got to pay for the sins of our ancestors, even if it means shelling out trillions of dollars to people today who had zero personal connection themselves, of course, to things like slavery.

But no, no, we must feel so guilty for what happened before. Everyone must now get a huge payday off the back of things that happened 300 years ago. What's happened to society where we are being conditioned to be ashamed of everything that happened before and must continue to carry the guilt? Well, I think there's a basic human instinct to try to villainise people who have had success, who've enjoyed success. America is certainly a successful country. We have dark chapters. We have unfortunate consequences of history that have occurred in our country, to which we need to, you know, address them if we want to. But the history of nations is, we all have a barbarous

history. I mean, we all point to savage behavior that basically founded every country on the planet. I mean, every race has been abused by the other in different contexts. So that's, it's just in our nature to assume that we should be apologetic about it, because actually we are still a kind of a Christian nation, at least or a Judeo-Christian nation. We're feeling guilty about ourselves and about our success is a kind of natural impulse. We want to be virtuous and kind and decent and be seen that way. And as long as somebody tells us that there were not that, it disturbs us when we want to answer it. But I think that's where we get into trouble with this idea that you have to apologize for who you are.

I don't have to apologize for my parents. I don't have to apologize to my grandparents. My grandparents were extraordinary people. They survived the Depression. They fought World War II. My grandfather was away from home for 28 months in the South Pacific. This is not a man who has to apologize for who he is. He stood up for this country.

He didn't, even against his will, at one point he thought we were manipulated into this war. He didn't care for how we got into the war. He knew that his best friend was shipped to the South Pacific before Pearl Harbor and was killed in a torpedoing. But that happened deliberately. But he still served. He still served because he understood that this country was the best shot we have. We may fall short sometimes, but we aim high. And in terms of reparations and those kind of words, like, we're just going to throw more money and more money and more money at the fact that, yeah, there was a dark chapter in our past, but it's, we fought a war over it. That did happen. Do the people who have ancestors who were killed in the Civil War owe reparations? Do the Italians who came after the Civil War owe money for the institution of slavery beforehand? Do the Irish who came up?

through Ellis Island and such. Do they owe money? I don't know. I think it's a I think it's just a dodge basically. It's like for instance we just celebrated the the I have a dream speech and there were several speakers and I kept thinking oh, it's been replaced with I have a scheme speech. So we don't really have particulates, but we do have all sorts of blame and rage and disappointment in our country. But we're doing the best we can and I think actually sometimes

we're doing even better than most people thought we could. You know, Kelsey, a lot of people... Go ahead, go ahead. A lot of people in modern society, they love to play the victim. In a way, if you can play the victim, you think you're going to get attention, you're going to get likes on Instagram, whatever it may be.

There's a kind of currency in playing the victim. victim, which never used to be the case, because you wouldn't get the validation that you might today from playing the victim. Of all the people I've probably ever interviewed, there are a few probably more qualified to a claim to be a victim in life than you. You know, for viewers who were not aware, your father was murdered when you were 13. Eight years later, your sister, Karen, was raped and murdered in a trailer park. Five years after that, your two teenage half-brothers died, in a scuba diving accident that was almost certainly a shark attack that was covered up. These are things, individual things, which could absolutely destroy someone's life.

And you've had a load of this to deal with. How have you emerged in your 70s looking so fit, well, positive thinking, seemingly well adjusted? How have you managed that? What's been the the toolkit to navigate your way through so many devastating things. Well, thanks, Pierce. I always called it my limping faith. There were times, and I certainly said, thank you, God, I'm not interested. I don't need your help anymore because, frankly, this sucks.

But I slowly was sort of gathered back toward a sense of faith. And I have proof of... so many good things that have happened to me. I have, I have, you know, this scale of, of horror and, and just unbelievable grief, balanced with extraordinary success and love and a family that's grown. I lost everybody in my family base, and then I built another. It's an extraordinary thing. And I think about, I think about Job, I think the book of Job, you know, it's like, when I sit down sometimes with, with a Bible, and I do do this, I'll think, on a question, I'll open the book, basically.

And some information always comes out. Mostly it's, you know, be not afraid that, you know, I'm with you. God is always with you. But at one occasion, I was talking about, in my head, I was thinking about my sister, and I thought, I wonder how old I'm going to be when I die. And so I opened the book, and sure enough, it was little, it was the last verse, basically, of Job. It said, and when he died, It's the first three words I saw.

And when he died, he was an old man and full of days. And I always thought that was just an affirmation of gratitude. Gratitude for this life we have. It's been so difficult and challenging. But I never asked my government to change that. I think that's where we've gone wrong a little bit. Somehow there's somebody else to blame. Yeah, there's specific actors that you can go after

where you actually have to make sure that they go to jail. I mean, certainly the guy that stabbed my sister should not be on the streets. But I wouldn't ask government to do anything more than that, because he belongs there. That's where he belongs. That's fine. But our life after that, it's our story. We have to fight for the virtue in having lived.

And to fight for the place where my sister, for instance, Karen, is remembered. for the goodness that she brought. I'd had long, I wrote this book about her a couple of years ago, and it was released this year, which allowed me to finally let go of the grief in a way that was really helpful, because for the first time of my life, I'd thought of her as alive and vibrant, and all the good that I remembered about her finally was,

it supplanted the grief that I carried. My image of Karen was always a desecration, Karen and in the past few years I've been allowed to change that and that's that's down to me and my relationship with God I think I remember talking to Joe Biden about his loss in life because he's had terrible tragedy to deal with you know he lost his wife and baby daughter in a car crash his two sons survived one of those both then got brain cancer in his 40s and died as well and I said how do you deal with it and he told me an amazing little story about how his father

when his wife and daughter died had given him a Hagar the horrible cartoon strip and in the first half of it Hagar is holding a trident up to the gods and his boats floundering on the rocks in a storm and he says, why me? And in the other half the gods shout back, why not? And he said in the moment he was given it

he was angry with his dad for what he thought was being insensitive. He bought it in some flea market somewhere. But then he realized what he was saying, which is you can't rationalize things like this. And he said, you know, he said to me, things like this happen to people all day, every day, around the world, right? You haven't been singled out for this terrible thing. It just shit happens. It was really the message of this thing.

Does that resonate with you? It does. My thinking about Joe Biden's political career has nothing to do with my admiration. for his surviving great tragedy. I mean, extraordinary tragedy. And I understand that, you know, everybody finds their own nuance through that. It's personal.

But I had a friend of Catholic priest who once, he was homilizing and I listened to him. And he said, well, if it was a God, God's voice supposedly, he said, these things that happen, I don't do them. I'm not out to get you. I'm here to help.

And that brought into a great perspective for me, just like, because God is there to turn to it as a comfort. And yeah, sometimes you can rail at God. And I love to, I think it was Dennis Prager. I heard say this once, something about someone who said, well, how do he allow the concentration camps to happen? How do he allow what happened to the Jews to take place? And he said, well, I don't really think that's an arguing point for man to,

to do a better job because surely that was a man creation not God's creation Yeah Your father, as I said You were 13 when he was killed And he was killed by a cab driver It was a couple of days after you mentioned this earlier

Martin Luther King was killed There was a kind of political overtone To it all you said And you'd heard years later They actually drew straws on who was going to kill him So an appalling Appalling thing to happen But one of the many incredibly sad aspects of this

was that he never got to see what a massive star you became. One of the biggest television stars in American history. What do you think you would have made of what happened to you? Oh, Lord, I don't know. I didn't really know him. So it's an interesting sort of vacancy in my life. My dad was shot when he was 37 years old, 38, right in there. And I went through something when I was the same age that was kind of life-threatening.

And I thought, well, that's interesting. He was really young when he died. I mean, that was my first real sense of identifying with my dad. He was just getting started, honestly. He had a new family. He had four kids and a seemingly good relationship with his wife. He was teaching music down on the verge of. Islands and somebody didn't like him and they decided to kill him for whatever set of

reasons. So his life was stolen from him in a weird way. He was certainly stolen from me. I don't know if we would have ever developed a great relationship, but my sense of who he is is and whether or not he would have been happy for what I became. I think he would have applauded the fact that I made the best I could of the life I was given. And I'm still working at it. You know, and this whole thing you know that you mentioned about homeschooling.

I homeschool my kids because I want them to grow up being able to read. To have an ability to confront knowledge without a lens of or an overlay of political thinking or have some sort of vibration through it. Because as I said, I'm going to digress for just for a second that the whole note. of our education system has been to leave our children empowered and full of self-respect and self-esteem. And they said, oh, low self-esteem is terrible, but then they tell their kids, they come from a crap country. So I always thought, well, that's a really mixed message. And we hear, you know, I think it takes an extraordinary amount of arrogance and ignorance in a heady combination for people to say things like, well, Thomas Jefferson said, all men are created equal, but he owned slaves. Thomas Jefferson was 33 years old when he wrote what is arguably one of the most important political documents in history.

And anybody who thinks he wasn't aware that he was writing all manner created equal, at the same time he understood that there was slavery in his life, is just foolish. They're underestimating one of the greatest minds that ever, ever, certainly in America, but maybe in the world. And the statement, all men are created equal, was a poison pill basically that said, we're going to have to fight this out. And Thomas Jefferson, in his own presidency, introduced legislation saying we have to end slavery. It didn't pass, but in 1803, the notion of ending slavery was active in his mind and part of his legislative body of at least his attempt. And 60 years later, we fought a war to end it. But it could have ended a lot sooner.

So Thomas Jefferson is not a person we should point out and say just an old guy in a wig. Right. I'm 33 years old when he wrote that. Exactly. It's so true and so worth reminding young people how young these guys were. Yeah. A couple of just, this is fan questions really, but Frasier, I loved it, obviously. You were brilliant in this.

In 2023, Paramount brought it back. Thanks, but not really with most of the rest of the original cast. Although you tried, the show got sort of sidelined in 2025 and may have been, as you've suggested, in interviews, I think, a sort of victim of all the CBS, Paramount staff and stuff sliding between the cracks and so on. Is there any more movement on... A lot of gunplay going on there. Yeah. Is there any movement on that on Frazier? Do you think is it gone now or is there hope?

You don't, you know, you can never bury that guy because he's a pretty... interesting character. He's as interesting as life itself. I think there's still a pathway to resurrecting the idea that Frazier and his son will sort of bookend the relationship that Frazier had with his father, Martin Crane, John Mahoney. There's a great story there still. So as long as there's a story that hasn't yet been told, maybe there's a place where it would find a home. You know, we'll see. I mean, I love Paramount. I've worked at Paramount my whole life. I mean, off and on since, I mean, I walked through the gates of Paramount when I was 29 years old, and I've been working there ever since. So that's a pretty big deal.

You know, the only thing I have in common with you, Kelsey, career-wise, is my first day in Hollywood working was also on the Paramount movie lot through the Melrose Gates because I was a judge on America's Got Talent, and that's where they filmed the first season. So you and I have very similar. Yeah, yeah, it's a great campus kind of, isn't it? It's fantastic. I want to apologize to you personally for leaving that day. There were some things in place that I've been promised by the producer that didn't pan out.

And I said, well, I can't be here. Well, it was funny because you were the only guest over had. He left before we'd even started. I said, where's he gone? What? But we met... You know, why stage a big walkout on camera? Well, it was a great walkout, and I myself have been prone to a bit of walking out recently,

so I can't exactly take the high moral ground. The other thing I want to ask you about is you played side show Bob in the Simpsons. Again, I love that. And they're making a new Simpsons movie. You weren't in the first one, nearly 20 years ago now, despite being a beloved character. There are rumours that you've recorded. lines for this one, or that you did for the first one and they got cut, but you may be in

the new one. Any truth to this? Got it. Not that I know of. You may have a more direct line of the truth that I have, but I've been kept in the dark. Would you like to be in it? I have no idea. You know what? I always love to, but I've always thought that if it's, if Sancho Bob's in it, it's about Sancho Bob. You know, he's sort of a eclipses the storyline as a rule with his murderous presence. That seems to be his note. Let's get back to us to end with this American opus, because it is an extraordinary book.

It's 30 kilograms, like I said, 800 pages long, forward by President Trump. It'll cost $250 or $2,500 for a marquee edition. Trump assigned the first edition, which we're going to give, which we're giving to the first lady, you said for her orphan auction, fostering the future.

Right, to auction for a charity, yeah. Yeah, and it'll have a $1 million reserve. I'm sure it'll get that. So it's a pretty special thing to have. When you talk to your kids, Kelsey, just about America, how do you describe your great country? The land of the possible.

And it enshrines the individual. What you want to try to do, this country will do everything it can to get you online, to get you focused on it and to help you to achieve it. All you have to do is ask and find it and fight for it. I mean, I have in my gym, I work out pretty much every day. I have three photographic portraits of Muhammad Ali. He was one of my favorite human beings. I was so grateful to have actually met him finally.

I met him at the inauguration of George Bush, the second, you know, George Bush W. But he was a magnificent man. And of course, you know, he was, you know, his infirmities had sort of caught up with him by the time I met him. But I had such admiration for him and for his stance politically against the Vietnam War and for his adopting his Muslim name, his black man's name, not his slave name, as he said. But see, he did that. He did that. And America embraced him for it. And, yeah, they fought him for a while.

And there's a great cover on Esquire, which is part of this book, I think. I've requested that it be part of it, where he has the arrows in him. And he told me, when he shot the show, he said, you know, this is Dean Rusk, this is a secretary, this and that. They came after him because he spoke out in a way that was honest and true. And sometimes the government wants to stop you. And I believe we have to always be very cautious about government getting too big, too powerful. And I like where Donald Trump has gone with it. But this is a great country.

What would I tell my children? Dream as big as you possibly can, but be expected to take big action to get there. Don't ask anybody else to get you there. It won't happen that way. That's exactly what I tell my own kids, Kelsey. Great to talk to you again. Always love having a chat. I love this book.

I think it's fantastic. I really appreciate your time, Kelsey. Take care. Likewise. Thank you, Pierce. Good to see you. Well, very few commentators divide opinion as starkly as Jennifer Welch.

Media figures of Verisle described her as the long-awaited Joe Rogan of the left and a miserable, unhinged, radicalized wine mom. Whichever side you're on, she can't be accused of mincing her words. Welch often refers to the president as, quote,

Cancels McTackle's McTac and to J.D. Vance as the smoky-eyed sociopath. Her viral tirades have provoked angry responses from the White House. But some Democrats believe this is exactly what their movement needs. MAGA media is a shamelessly savage place, they say. And it's delivered a shamelessly savage president. Candidists like Abdullah and Saeed and pundits like Welch are finally fighting fire with fire, they say. Well, not everyone's convinced that Democrats can win with a MAGA playbook.

They argue that it's hard to take the high moral ground when you're in the gut of your and that America needs diplomacy, not division. Well, Welch has written a new book entitled Not Today Fascists, and she joins me now. Jennifer, welcome to UnsenSENZER. Thank you for having me. So look, you've written this book, Not Today Fascist, which is an immediate triggering, I imagine, to all those who don't consider themselves fascists. Do you have any limit to what you're prepared to say or do as a political weapon when it comes to

rhetoric? I mean, yeah, I would think that the limit would be saying things that are not true. I mean, it's true that the MAGA regime is fascist. I mean, every historian that I've interviewed on my podcast confirms this. Their policies confirm this. But with this regime, you really don't have to lie. All you have to do is point out what they're doing clearly, sharply, with probably a little bit of and with a 30% approval rating for this regime, it's cut on. My issue would be not the name calling and stuff, because Trump does that to all his opponents. And I kind of think, you know, sometimes you've got to fight fire with fire.

So let's park that to one side. But my issue has been with the Democrats and Trump, really from the moment he first came on the sort of presidential scene back in 2015. The moment I hear people calling him a Nazi or Lerner, liking Trumpism to Nazism, they lose me. And you've done this. You know, you said if any chicken, ship, pearl clutches, get their panties and a ward

because we call Trump a fascist or a Nazi, step aside and let the grown-ups fight. I don't think it's grown up to use an analogy of Trump to Nazis. And the reason is, Adolf Hitler was one of the most despicable genocidal monsters of modern times. He murdered 12 million people with his Nazis, including 6 million Jews and 100. Holocaust. You can hate Trump and you can have a lot of issues about the more authoritarian

style that he's developed and so on. All those things can be debated. No one can look me in the eye with a straight face and say there is any comparison between Donald Trump and Adolf Hitler or Trumpism and Nazism. And I think you lose the argument when you do that. So when I asked you about the limit, you know, I was hoping you might say, well, on reflection, comparing him to Hitler and the Nazis probably isn't a good idea. Well, I mean, by your logic, peers, your next guess should be Jady Vance because he called him America's Hitler.

And I think he was wrong too. And then your guess after that would be all of the neocons that worked with Trump in Trump 1.0. All of the people who were in the rooms that actually provided a guardrail. Trump famously said, I want generals the same as Hitler.

I want generals like Hitler's generals. His ex-wife said he had Minkkopf on his nightstand. There's no question. I concede the point to you that Hitler is just an absolutely diabolical menace in the history book should always be condemned. But I agree with J.D. Vance back before he was purchased by Peter Thiel, that this man is America's Hitler, that he is stoking xenophobia, that he is scapegoating immigrants, scapegoating people in the LGBT-plus community to distract from the fact that he is funneling money to all of these morally depraved billionaires that actually do want to come after wages. I mean, Elon Musk famously said this week that he wants robots to do one robot to do the job of five people.

Well, where do those wages go of those five people? They go to the billionaires. Now, I don't think Trump has major ambitions like Hitler did. I don't think he's as organized, and I think he's far too narcissistic. But I think that people who are exploiting Trump, these billionaires, Benjamin Netanyahu, have clung on to him because he is so unprincipled that they can manipulate him. And Trump just likes to hate on people. It makes him feel good.

It feeds his fragile ego. But does he hate on people any more than you hate him? I mean, again, one of my issues with the way the Democrat... I'm a podcaster. He's the president. No, I understand that. But I know, I'm more liberal than not. My sensibilities are liberal. but old-fashioned liberal, not woke liberal.

And one of my big problems with the kind of woke movement other than the denial of basic science biology and stuff is that they would say the very things about Trump that they want him to stop saying about everybody else. They would behave often like the very fascist they profess to hate most whilst also branding Trump are fascists. In other words, there is an argument, as Michel Obama always famously said.

You know, when they go low, we go high. it seems to me you've made a calculation and many people cheer you on for it that when they go low, we go lower and it's a deliberate thing and you're a podcaster, I get that, and a very successful and popular one. But is it a smart political tactic

to go this way with Trump or is there a better way to defeat him? I wish I lived in a country where we didn't have to speak this way about the president. I wish we didn't have to have this conversation peers about the president and the way he speaks about women, the way he speaks about deceased service members as being suckers and losers, but that's where we are. And the buck

stops with him. Now, as it pertains to all of the wokeism and all of that, I don't subscribe to that. Trump's an asshole, and I'm going to call him an asshole. And Trump's name calling is not nearly as offensive to me as his policies are. Right now, we have concentration camps in the United States of America. We have children appearing in front of judges without attorneys. We have people that are being deported. When you say concentration camps, again, that invokes memories of actual concentration camps in World War II, where millions of Jews were gassed in gas chambers. Why use that kind of language? But because concentration camps were also used in the United States for the Japanese. I mean, this isn't. You're saying it's happening now.

under Trump. Jennifer, where are these concentration camps in America today? They're all over the United States. Concentration camps where they're literally millions of people are being exterminated. Because that's what you're saying. Okay, peers, you were talking about Nazi concentration camps. But historians. I'm talking about prisons in the United States or holding facilities

where they are concentrating people without due process that they have deemed, through the Kavanaugh rule of the Supreme Court, where you can just say, oh, they look like they might be illegal, and then lock them up. But did you feel, were you as angry, though, sorry to interrupt you, were you as angry when Obama did this? Because Obama, as you know, I'm sure you know,

deported more people in eight years, pro rata per year, than any American president in history. Way more than Trump, he put loads of people into cage facilities. He spit up loads of families. He had kids on their own and so on. He did all the things which I see my liberal friends and Democrats raging that Trump does. And I'm like, well, where was the rage about Obama when he was doing it on a far bigger scale? Well, I think that he followed the law.

They had due process. Well, they did many of them. Trump's regime is killing Renee and Nicole Good. And he deported, Obama deported three million people. You know, where was the rage? Legally, did he see people back to their non-country of origin? A lot of people thought a lot of it was not legal. That's the point.

Did he send people from El Salvador to Africa? Did he? Because if he did, let's have that conversation and let's rip him for it. Well, if you care, okay. If you, okay, let's talk about Obama and the law for a moment. Because, you know, I liked Obama. I thought Obama was a pretty good president in many ways. But I thought he also, he was a shameless hypocrite in many ways to, as most presidents

turned out to be. You know, he was a guy who was a lawyer who campaigned in 0809 on shutting down Guantanano. for example, because it was an illegal place, he viewed it. And yet, it's still open today. He had eight years to shut that down and never did. He encouraged the continuation of what many people to be in illegal torture chamber, right? Secondly, he weighed a lot of what many people

view to be illegal drone programs, right, killing thousands of innocent people. And again, it's simply about Trump, when he does stuff, inspires phenomenal rage from people on the left. And I'm always like, okay, but where, was that rage, if you're being intellectually honest, with presidents like Obama,

when they were doing stuff that they were doing, or when they were blinking over chemical weapons, red lines with Syria and Putin, which allowed him to take power there and so on. There were lots of things which I think, if people were being honest, they should have been rageful with about Obama, that they've been saving for Trump.

So I think there's a double standard there. Well, let's be honest. I will critique Obama. I think just giving a pass to the Bush administration for lying and taking us into war with Iraq, not prosecuting war crimes as it pertains to Abu Ghraib was a mistake. And one could even further argue that that incubated, the breakdown in what has incubated this fascism that Trump is governing with. I think the corporate welfare, the government welfare that we gave all of the big banks, set up a, a government where the Democratic Party services corporations more than they do the working class

people. So I agree with you. There is criticism to be had there. And as we look back to a lot of these governments, whether the Republican or Democrat, after the Citizens United ruling, what we see is a two-party system that first services corporations, first and foremost, and then the people get lost. And that's why you see progressive candidates popping up all over the place. But Pierce, you're right, when Obama was in office, I didn't have as many critiques. But I think there's been a great awakening to the policies of Trump, the cruelty, the racism, the watching Renee Nicole Good get shot in cold blood, and then the guy calling her a fucking bitch. And then people in Christy Nome's DHS calling her a domestic terrorist, no investigation into that murder whatsoever.

The same with Alex Pretti. And I think what you're seeing, as an electorate all over middle America that is shifting further to the left away from this two-party system that services corporations while lying to us. But do you feel... I don't think... I wouldn't dispute that. I think that is clearly happening in many places.

I know that you're... I think you're a fan of AOC and Polly Markets market on a Democratic presidential nominees for 2028 as AOC and MLEAD on 20%. I know she's appeared on your... podcast and so on. But, you know, many people look at AOC and they say, okay, you've got the rise of the Democratic Socialists and you've got AOC who's always been a kind of democratic socialists,

I think, now moving very, very fast to the middle, you know, abandoning wokeism, saying woke one was crazy, right? Well, we all called it crazy when it was happening. Now she, having endorsed it all, now says it's crazy. And you see this time and again, I think, with a lot of candidates where I think they're being, again, intellectually a bit dishonest, right? Be true to yourself. But the question then becomes, can somebody use a genuine socialist,

a genuine socialist? Can they actually win real power in America? And can socialism actually work in America? Because historically, around the world, it's almost impossible to find anywhere where socialism has been a success. I don't think that's the proposal. I think the proposal is to have a system

that doesn't prioritize, corporate interests at top. What I would like to say is I think the Democratic Party needs to return to the party of FDR, a party that really regulates capitalism to protect public safety. Right now, we have killer blueberries. We're buying, you know, contaminated beef. People are dropping dead of measles. It's just a disaster. Unregulated capitalism keeps us less safe. But I like capitalism. I've been successful in capitalism. And I think, it's honest to have a fair conversation that this whole free market wealth will trickle down is kind of bullshit. It didn't really work. It hasn't worked. It's created massive wage inequality

and it's getting so much bigger under Trump. I mean, the wealth that these tech oligarchs have made just in two years, the wealth that Donald Trump has made and just two years is really breathtaking. And so I don't see a candidate that is full-blown like I'm a full-blown socialist. I mean, even I live in New York now. I'm from Oklahoma City, but even Zoron is making, reducing regulations to make it easier for small business owners to open up, like the red tape that you would have to go through to open up a business. And so I think the best mixture of this for America is to return to FDR, who regulated capitalism in a way to protect it. But more than that, to protect people, I think the big mistake in conversations like this, is that the pitch, I've never heard anybody, any candidates that's running anywhere that is won,

pitch a full-blown socialist state. I haven't heard that, nor do I know of a candidate that is one that has pushed that from Zoron to Abdul to AOC. I mean, I think they're all, the three you just mentioned are excellent communicators. You know, I watch them performing. They're young, they're dynamic, they're great talkers.

you know, they're very likable, actually, or in different ways, all of them. And I can see why people, while they resonate with people, I'm just not sure what would happen if one of them got actual federal power, right? If one became president of the United States, if AOC became president, what AOC do we get?

Do we get the one that we thought she was? Or do we get the one in our says, wokeism was crazy? You know, I'm a little bit confused. I mean, I think you're giving too much credit to her saying, woke one was crazy. First and foremost, if we're going to talk about intellectual honesty, she said, oh, this friend of mine said, woke one was crazy. I think what she's talking about,

which is something we've all had it with, with you're on the right or if you're on the left, is this just hyper-policing of what everybody says all the time. I don't think there's a, there's a planet in the United States of America, where if AOC wins president, that she's going to dismantle capitalism. I just think that is insane. I think it's a scare tactic that's used. Money talks in this country, and it's always going to talk in this country, but how can we form a government that helps people live out of poverty? I mean, the grossest thing about the United States, one of the grossest things is if you'd like take Walmart. Walmart pays its workers minimum wage. They can't live.

They cannot afford child care, health care. If you get a cavity, they can't afford to get it filled. So then they have to go get on government stamps to subsidize their pay. And the Republican Party does this whole thing. Oh, these moochers, these people that are mooching on food stamps. You know, it's like they have it so good. But really, the moochers in this situation are the Walton family. They have plenty of money.

They have bank accounts that could choke a bull. They could easily, easily pay their employees a livable wage and provide health insurance for them to give them a little bit of dignity. But instead, the system is set up to where we are really, favoring oligarchy and corporate welfare. And that it's just not sustainable. And it created this situation where so many voters, 77 million to be exact peers, felt like they wanted a non-status quo candidate. And they thought, well, Trump can't be bought. He's already a rich guy. So they fell for it. And they bought it. And look at what he's now. He's even richer. It turns out he actually can be bought. And I think the politicians like Abdul, like Zoron, like AOC, are reminding Americans that we do

not have to beg for wages. It's insane what is happening in the wealth gap here. It's immoral that people have to file bankruptcy for medical bills. And it's even further immoral that so many people die because they can't access health care. But yet these corporations and the Republican Party, have the audacity to tell these working class people they're lazy. And that's just a trope that started with Reagan that has continued. And I think there's a great awakening to address these issues and form a government that delivers for its people in a material way. Listen, I don't disagree with a lot of what you just said.

Would you describe yourself as pro-women? Yes. Okay, so I want to talk about two women, where I would, I would quibble with your claim to be pro-women because I don't understand why you've gone after them in quite the way you have. One is Erica Kirk. So we have the case against Tyler Robinson moving to trial now. It looks increasingly likely that he's pled not guilty, but all the evidence is pretty

overwhelming that he did do this. And you've said things like, you know, I mean, there's a sort here. I want to play you of you talking about Erica. I think Erica Kirk is a terrible person. I think Erica Kirk was married to a racist, homophobic, a griff. and I think she has picked up exactly where Charlie Kirk left off. Erica Kirk, I don't know her personally. I've never interviewed it, but she's a grieving widow

who watched her husband and father of her two kids getting assassinated in front of her. It's one of the most harrowing things of modern times, the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Do you not feel uncomfortable going after Erica Kirk, a grieving widow in that way? I mean, you've done it multiple times. I'm just curious, you know, Candice Owens does it with impunity,

and I find that pretty repellent too. How do you equate being pro-women with going after her and kind of going after because of who she was married to as well? Well, Erica Kirk, no, I don't. I do not regret it, and oftentimes when I see that, I don't think I go far enough. Erica Kirk and Charlie Kirk peddled racism, homophobia. She has recently been talking about white male men, and she talks about, her message to women

is have children, even if you can't afford them. I go after Erica Kirk because she is an anti-woman woman. She is attacking people at universities. And peers, I grew up in the buckle of the Bible Belt in Oklahoma City. And so many of my friends were deeply, deeply indoctrinated by their Uber religious parents. They think the earth is 6,000 years old, that man lived with dinosaurs at the same time, that Noah's Ark happened for real. Absolutely no critical thinking.

That's of the devil. And the only hope they have to kind of get out of this indoctrination is to go to a university. And how insidious and pernicious is it for these grifters to go to universities and pray on people at a time where they can get out from under their parents' wing and discover an exerfters. explore who they are. So I will always stand with the LGBTQ plus community, but furthermore, I'll stand with black Americans. And I might have a tinge of respect for Erica Kirk if she were to talk about what really killed her husband, which is guns. Guns killed your husband, Erica. And what's so fascinating, fascinating about Turning Point, two people started it.

Charlie Kirk and this guy that's like 70-something years old. They talked about that. Vaccines are terrible. Nobody should get vaccinated. And Charlie talked about everybody needs to have access to guns. Even if people die, everybody has to have access to guns. Well, the 70-year-old died of COVID because he didn't get vaccinated. And then Charlie, of course, died of a gunshot wound. If this were a widow that was saying, I want to address the gun epidemic in the United States of America, I want to address the senseless shooting of people on a university, on a bright, sunny day. using the First Amendment, even though I disagreed with everything Charlie Kirk had to say, I support his right.

But my argument would be about this, that Charlie Kirk would go to universities, he'd set up his stand, and he would literally say, prove me wrong, and he'd have democratic debate with people who disagree with him. And I thought that was good. That's how it should be. It's how a democracy should run. He wasn't saying, I'm completely right about everything. He said, prove me wrong. Prove me wrong.

I have my position. You can have yours. When I get on an airplane, if the pilot's black, I'm going to think twice. Well, it was more nuanced. It was more nuanced than that. And I would say, my argument, I guess, about you going after Erica Kerr, because you're kind of going after for what you perceive to be the sins of her husband. And you've also gone after, well, I would add Natalie Hart to this,

who you've called a bunny boy there, because I know Natalie a bit, right? Natalie Hart, from my experience, is incredibly hardworking employee at the White House. who works with Trump, and to me, has done nothing wrong to deserve the appalling attacks on her. Do you know, again, as a pro-woman person, as you claim to be, do you not feel a bit uncomfortable about targeting Natalie Arb, who's just an assistant working long hours working for Trump? Not even remotely uncomfortable. Really? Not even remotely uncomfortable.

I stand by it that she's a bunny boiler because we have a regime every single day that goes out and tries to erode civil liberties that is tearing down the institutions of this country. They are gender-washing fascism. They are using their gender to send a message to women that we will gender-wash this. This will make it okay. But she is literally just posting things she's told to do by her boss. That's her job. Well, you know what?

She has agency and autonomy. The Republican Party is the party of personal accountability. Did you go after? Did you publicly call Barack Obama's female staff bunny boilers? Because they publicly... No, because they didn't send bat-shit crazy... That's the point. But that's the point, I would say,

you don't, A, you don't know what correspondence went on between Obama and his female. I do, I've seen it. Actually, you don't, you don't, actually. Oh, not Obama's. No, I haven't seen, but of course... Right, so my point is, A, you're making a supposition you don't know the answer to.

But secondly, it wouldn't have crossed your mind to attack Obama's female staff. in that way. But he doesn't, you don't hesitate. If somebody wrote those letters about Obama, they went bananas

about the tan suit for two weeks. If he had an aide that wrote those bunny boiler letters to him, I don't know if the ERs in New York could contain the Fox News blood rates.

It would be wall-to-wall coverage. It was a day or two cover here. You mean everything in the world to me, and then there's the picture of her sprinting after him. I mean, he's a weird-ass guy. This is the,

the party that lectures everybody about family values. And Melania, her documentary, made sure that the world knew, I don't sleep with this man. I say goodnight to him. I go to this bedroom. She didn't say that. She didn't say that. She didn't say that. She didn't.

No, she showed it in her documentary. Oh, no, she didn't. She went one way. She absolutely did. I absolutely did not. And again, that's not a very pro-women to make that up. So your argument is that as a pro-woman, I have to support anti-women and women. You're attacking Erica Kirk, a grieving widow.

Well, hang on, no, no. I can't attack women. My argument is, my argument is, listen, I happen to think you're great, and I like watching a podcast, and I agree with you about some of the things you say. But when you say you're pro-women, I don't think it's very pro-women to target a grieving widow because you don't like her husband of what he said. And I don't think it's pro-women to target a female staffer of the president for stuff that he's doing or saying that she just happens to post on social media.

And I don't think, you know, you just had a popper, Malania, making up a fact that you don't know that's true at all. Let me clarify. But she has, she doesn't sleep with their husband. So there's three women you're targeting because of their husbands or bosses. That's not pro-women. Let me clarify, peers. I do not like Erica Kirk because Erica Kirk sends a message to women that is dangerous for them. It is dangerous to tell women to breed immediately.

even if you can't afford it. I think that is a dangerous message for women, while at the same time they are trying to lessen the rights that women have to divorce women in certain states, particularly red states. I don't like Natalie Hart, because she works for a man who appointed the Supreme Court justices that have taken the rights of women away in my own home state

to where if they are raped right now, if you were raped in the state of Oklahoma, you have absolutely, nothing you can do privately with your body. You have to go in a car and drive out of state to go try to receive medical care. Yeah, and I think that's ridiculous. I think it's, and so women that are carrying the water for the patriarchy often are the first to drown. And so I do not support women that carry water for the patriarchy. Period, full stop. You want to call me a hypocrite? That's totally fine. But I triple down, quadruple down. And as far as these women that create the water for the

patriarchy, no, I'd say next time I ask you, no, I'd say next. time I say, are you pro-women, you should say I'm pro-sum-woman? That's fair. That's fair. I'll give you that. I'm pro-woman. How about that? No, you're pro-women that you like. No, no. Yes, you are. No, I'm pro-women that are pro-women. Now you're making shit up here. Let's leave it on that note. It's been good talking to, Jennifer. Come back. I enjoyed it.

Your book is not today fascists and your host of I've had it. Good to have you. Jennifer Welsh, thank you very much. Thanks, Pierce. Well, join me now is Isabel Brown, host of the Daily Wise, Isabel Brown. So, Isabel, you were shaking your head quite violently, I'm told, during some of that exchange. So your reaction to that interview? It certainly was fiery, peers.

I wish that I was sticking around to have this conversation with Jennifer, although I hear maybe there was a lack of propensity for an open dialogue or an honest debate. about what it really means to be pro-woman. So perhaps we'll have to have that one in the future. Look, I've had it, ultimately, with the poisonous garbage that women like this spew all over the internet, insisting that we're trying to run away from a fascist culture and that a Nazi president has created a fascist regime in America

that's taking away all of women's rights. I hear this every day from Jennifer Welch's podcast and thousands of other women who have very prominent followings on social media, when it is these people who consistently are, saying the actual violent rhetoric that is tearing our society apart across Western civilization. Look, you heard Jennifer just say a few minutes ago. She's so concerned about public safety in the United States of America. And yet this is a woman who is repeatedly spewing the same violent garbage rhetoric that's feeding into physical manifestations of violence. You played a clip

of her calling Erica Kirk some pretty nasty names. On a separate episode of her show, she called Erica the most evil woman alive on the face of the earth and the devil incarnate. and said that Charlie's horrible rhetoric that he spewed throughout his career justified his assassination that so tragically took place almost exactly a year ago today. It is because of normalization of that violent rhetoric

that we've seen people take to the streets celebrating Charlie's assassination and impact so many other parts of American culture. Look at the last two weeks in America online with thousands of liberal white women trying to justify a woman violently strangling her own three children to death because of feminism.

I don't want to live in a society that says that is pro-woman, and I hope that more women in my generation feel the same way. What you're seeing with people like Jennifer Welch and others is where they perceive President Trump and Republicans going low, they're prepared to go as low, if not lower, in terms of incendiary rhetoric. Do you have any concerns about the way Donald Trump talks to and about women, for example, or just generally about when he trash talks people? I've known him a long time. I like him personally. We get on very well. But I winced quite a lot when he goes after people in a very personal way.

You know, there is a sort of sense that it's trickled down from the top of this stuff and that you're going to get people like Jennifer Welch returning fire with fire if the President of the United States is the one doing most of the trash talking. Yeah, peers, I last year in those last couple sentences there. I hope our team can fix the audio on that front. But as for going low and going lower, look, this is the new reality of the Democrat Party. And it's not just people with podcasts and platforms on the Internet, although that certainly is the case with what we're seeing from the Jennifer Welch's of the world. This is also coming from people running for public office. Look at my home state of Colorado where a leading candidate for the United States Congress has said on stage that the United States of America deserved the 9-11 attacks, which we will celebrate the 25th anniversary of this week. you have people coming from families who actually donated financial support to terrorist organizations running for office for the U.S. Senate and being literal terrorist sympathizers. This is a very dark place for the political left in America to be progressing.

And as we continue normalizing far, far left radical socialism from an authoritarian perspective, you're also seeing the normalization of political violence alongside that. The Department of Health and Human Services just put out a fascinating study this last week that said, the more you tend to, to agree with authoritarian left-wing policies, and the more you tend to personally identify with pro-LGB-Q-plus messaging, the more likely you are to say that political violence is justified in America, which is how we arrived at a time

where one in six Americans support the Luigi Mangione assassination of the United Healthcare CEO, and you've seen so much of this radical violence become normalized online. I hope it's a wake-up call for people, because the only thing that's pushing us further into a fascist authoritarian society is a world where you're not allowed to think for yourself

and you're not allowed to have open dialogue and debate, which I'm only seeing perpetuated by the political left, not the right today. I mean, I see a lot on both sides I don't like. I do think, though, it's a particular aspect of the hard left, this sort of lionization of people who've done terrible things. You know, whatever you think of the Lindsay Clancy case, and I think it's complicated. I do think there is this postpartum depression, psychosis. I think it's a real thing.

I don't think she could have been acting rationally what mother would kill her three children that way. But nor do I think she should be hero-worshipped by a kind of fan club, cheering and saluting her outside the courtroom. What happened was a terrible tragedy, but it was also it ended the lives of three young children. And I've got four kids myself. This is a terrible thing that happened. And no one should be hero-worshing, should be being the person who did it,

notwithstanding, it may be that a jury eventually concludes that she was acting beyond her rationality. And we'll see. But I just think it's the secondary part. And the same with Luigi Mangione, the way that he got hero-worship. We saw it with the Zaniath brothers who perpetrated the Boston Marathon bombing.

I remember being on air at CNN. and being disgusting. I think Rolling Stone did a cover on these guys, making them look like rock stars. And I'm like, what is happening to society when people blow up innocent people or murder husbands and fathers in the street because they don't like the jobs that they do

running health care companies? Or they kill three children because they're disturbed. What makes people want to hero worship them? I don't get it. Yeah, I think with the Lindsay Clancy case peers, it's important for us to zoom in here and look at the fallout of the cultural messaging that's coming from the court of public opinion, because now you're starting to see this impact a court of law as well. Just last night, a middle-aged woman was arrested for trying to intimidate the jury by taping videos of the jurors coming out of the courtroom, presumably, so that she could docks their identities if indeed they convicted this woman of first-degree murder, which I know there's been a lot of controversy about, I actually think it's been a huge disservice to an honest conversation about postpartum depression. and postpartum psychosis because Lindsay Clancy was never once diagnosed with postpartum depression

or psychosis from any of the multitude of doctors that she was seeing. So it's a masterful skill in messaging that from her legal defense team that's garnered a lot of sympathy and public support for this particular defendant in this case. Unfortunately, that has now twisted the meaning of what postpartum depression and postpartum psychosis actually means and it's preventing us from really helping women who actually need our help and certainly is not delivering justice to these three beautiful children. But I can just tell you anecdotally, what I'm seeing in my comment section on social media

and the posts that I'm seeing on TikTok, Instagram, and Twitter, are thousands upon thousands of women saying, same Lindsay. That could have been me. I could have been in the same situation. I, too, sometimes think about killing my children. And I have to know that this is a symptom

of a much larger societal disease that is encouraging us to devalue human life, not just in the people that we disagree with, certainly in the realm of political violence, but even for our own innocent babies. And I don't think we can continue living in a culture like that and still call it a functioning society. No, and I also think there's a big issue

with over-medication in the United States. I mean, I said yesterday, and my American guest was shocked when I said it, but it's a fact that 80% of the world's painkillers get consumed by Americans. I mean, that fact alone should horrify Americans. It's like, why are we taking so much medication? Just on painkillers,

I don't mind everything else. And she was medicated with all sorts of stuff. I just don't think that helps an already disturbed mind. It just makes things a lot worse. I think in her case is clear. On positive news, Isabel, I'd like to win by congratulating it because you announced this week you're expecting your second child during the winter, a little brother to your first child, your daughter, Isla.

Many congratulations to you. Thank you, peers. We're so excited and just can't wait to welcome this blessing into our family. Well, I wish you all the very best to all of you. And thanks for joining me on Uncensorsensored. Thank you. Pierce Morgan Unsensored is proudly independent. The only boss around here is me.

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