Piers Morgan Uncensored - "It's NOT Bullsh*t!" Neil DeGrasse Tyson On UFO Files, Aliens, Wormholes And Steven Spielberg

Episode Date: June 12, 2026

Has Steven Spielberg's blockbuster alien epic Disclosure Day revealed more than audiences realise? As speculation swirls around the upcoming release of the much-discussed "UFO Files", some viewers believe the film contains clues about what governments may soon disclose regarding unidentified aerial phenomena. Spielberg himself has cited real-life whistleblower testimony and the Roswell incident as inspirations for the movie. Joining the programme are the two British filmmakers who famously convinced millions they possessed genuine footage of the Roswell alien, alongside astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson, who weighs in on the enduring fascination with extraterrestrial life, government secrecy and the search for the truth. Could Hollywood be preparing the public for what's to come or is it simply science fiction at its most powerful? Joining Piers Morgan to discuss the speculation are legendary astrophysicist and author of Take Me To Your Leader, Neil deGrasse Tyson; Roswell hoaxers Gary Shoefield and John Humphreys; filmmaker and Disclosure Day director John Dower; YouTube commentator Will Jordan, better known as Critical Drinker; and pop culture commentator Gary Buechler, known online as Nerdrotic. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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and think this is all bullshit. What do you say to them? I say it's not bullshit. It's all real. I understand the creature's brain consisted of three sheep's brains covered in clear jelly. The rest of the chest cavity

was packed with a pigs pluck, the lungs, heart and windpipe, cow gizzards, chicken intestines, and a leg of land. Well, quite handily, I lived right next to Smithville Market at the time. Can we compare notes? What do they know about space travel that we don't?

You can show a child. triangle and squares coming off the legs of the triangle. That would show them that we have some intellect because math is the language of the universe. Massive movie coming out, Disclosure Day, a Spielberg classic. I don't watch science fiction, full stuff, ever. Well, you're missing out. Well, that's your lost peers. Millions have been relishing the release of Stephen Spielberg's new Alien Epic Disclosure Day,

but not all for the same reasons, a hardcore contingent of the fan base believe the movie foreshadows the major revelations to come in a much-vaunted release of the UFO files. If we've seen the movie, we'll be braced for what's to come, or so the theory goes. Spielberg doesn't say he drew inspiration from congressional testimony by real-life whistleblowers, as well as the law surrounding the infamous Roswell incident. He does say that. And in their first interview since the movie's release, I'll be joined shortly by the two Brits who once convinced the world they had real footage of the Roswell aliens. First, though, we begin with a hugely popular returning guest to uncensored.

Millions have also been relishing the release of Neil deGrasse Tyson's new book. Take me to your leader, and I'm pleased to say that Neil joins me now. Neil, how are you? Thanks for having me back. I didn't know two Brits made that video documentary. Yes. You guys, it's your fault. Yes, it is.

And we're going to be talking to them, plus the director of a new documentary about that whole incident, who's not as forgiving, perhaps as others are about it. First of all, Neil, who is the leader going to be? I mean, if it's taking us to the leader, who's our leader? And where are we going? So that's a very important question. And we need to first ask, who does the alien think the leader would be? And if they've been eavesdropping on our leaked radio signals out into space,

they might think that our pop stars would be our leader. Right. You know, so Taylor Swift, Beyonce, just name anyone who's been out there and who's filled the airwaves with interviews and concerts and this sort of thing. So they might come presuming that they are who were in charge. Or you. What about you? Because they might conclude that you know more about all this stuff than any other human being alive. Therefore, de facto, you must be the real leader.

Well, okay, if knowledge means you're a leader, the world would have looked very different in the past millennial. Sometimes the opposite seems to show up as who leads. But what I would do, I mean, just speaking practically, if aliens arrived, and let's say they could learn English. They read the dictionary, just learn English. So we take care of that. By the way, in the book, I offer suggestions on how you might have a first point of communication. if the alien didn't learn English coming down here, because you're not going to learn alien.

That's for sure. So I would suggest that you would take them to the National Academy of Sciences, where we have biologists and biochemists and physicists, astrophysicists. These are people who would know or at least think hard and have thought long and hard about what is their physiology, what is there, can we compare notes? What do they know about space travel that we don't?

clearly they're more advanced and probably smarter than us because they visited us when we barely left low Earth orbit in the last 50 years. So the National Academy of Sciences would be my first bet. Now, President Obama famously noted on a recent podcast that he's pretty sure there are aliens out there. He's scientifically literate. And so he's repeating what any scientist who studied the problem would say. the universe is vast and old and we're made of common ingredients so surely they're out there but then he said in a separate interview he'd want to be on the receiving uh committee and he's a politician and i think if the aliens want to harm you where there's going to be some arguments you need a good negotiator

there and scientists don't necessarily fulfill that so so maybe keep a politician like a like a not a A diplomat. Keep a diplomat in the back room for if just in case you need them. Does it astonish you, Neil, that we've had no really conclusive evidence of alien life coming to this planet? Because as you say, the universe is absolutely gigantic. I've always thought the notion that we're the only ones out there is absurd. Why has no one ever paid us a visit in a way that can be proven to be an alien visit? Yeah, that's the famous Fermi paradox. If the galaxy is teeming with life, where are they? And people have written whole books on the solution to the Fermi paradox in that, well, space is too vast. It's too hard. It's,

they've imploded in their own greed trying to colonize planets. And then they have to colonize each other's planets and they enter galactic warfare, which actually happened on Earth with the colonizing powers of Europe. Think about it. You have Earth and you have the Brits, the Brits, the Spanish, the Portuguese, the French, the Dutch, the carving up the world, okay? And because there's this urge to claim more and more land for the empire, then there's a point where you conflict with each other, wanting each other's land that you've already claimed. And then the whole system implode. Maybe that's why they haven't arrived yet. But holding that aside, there's a whole set of other people who are sure they have arrived.

And the problem is it's all based on testimonies, right? And claims and assertions. And, you know, we're all equipped with high resolution data-taking devices on our hip, our smartphones. And so I'm still waiting for like the high-resolution image of the abduction. Okay? You can stream that. And so where is that? We don't see that.

Do you, are you, are you excited? When there's like a new movie, like Disclosure Day, the Spielberg movie, do you get as excited about these things coming out as everybody else? Because you've actually been quite critical of how Hollywood depicts extraterrestials as humanoid, because as you argue, most life on earth, jellyfish, termites and so on, look nothing like we do, despite sharing our DNA. and you would see some of a true alien life, having no evolutionary linked to Earth, would likely look completely incomprehensible and unhumanoid to us,

which makes perfect sense. But when you see these movies, what do you feel about them? Yeah, I wonder, because they are storytellers, and they want you to buy a ticket and see the film, it makes me wonder if the alien is too weirdly different, that you couldn't then relate to it. You wouldn't then feel for it. You wouldn't imagine yourself in this encounter.

And so what passes as when they try to do weirdly different, there's predator, right? It's got this weird face, you know, and with the mouth that opens up weirdly. But he's still got a head, shoulders, two arms, legs, feet, fingers, and toes, right? So even the xenomorph, which they gave it a name, that alien in the movie Alien, It's still kind of reptilian. He's got a tail and he's got arms and the weird mouth, of course. So if it was just some amorphous blob, that would just be kind of weird. And the alien in Andy Weir's story, the Project Hail Mary, he's good.

Okay? He's a software engineer turned novelist. And he wants the science to be as good as it can be. he once handed me the highest compliment I ever got when he was writing the Martian he was playing Lucy Goosey with the physics and then he imagined I was looking over his shoulder and he said, I better get the physics right.

I don't want him tweeting about this later. But Rocky in, you know, the alien in Project Hail Mary is craboid, not humanoid. And it's got legs that come up and down and it lives in a very different atmosphere than we do. So he's thought about how to make that different, how to break open the Hollywood mold. You also talk, you also...

Well, I was going to say, on that point, you also talk about how we might communicate. If they do come and visit us, that communication might be through math rather than through sounds, with basic geometry like the A2 plus B2 equals C2, acting as a kind of hello to prove that we are intelligent. So that could be how we converse with them. Yeah, initially because math is the language of the universe. And so if I may restate your attempt at the Pythagorean theorem, A squared plus B squared equals S squared. Sorry, yes, I'm sorry.

Yeah, you're right. This is why you couldn't make me the leader, because I wouldn't have even understand basic geometry. Yeah, A squared plus B squared equals C square, of course. So obviously they wouldn't necessarily know the symbols, but you can show a triangle in squares coming off the legs of the triangle, that would show them that we have some intellect because math is the language of the universe. But isn't it just our math, O'Neill?

You've decided that, that we would use our maths to communicate. It might be incomprehensible gibberish to them. Well, I'd be surprised if they didn't know what a triangle was. Why? Why should they know what a triangle is? Because you need... So if you're going to make a spaceship,

you need math, okay? How do you know they need a spaceship? Oh, good. So if they figure out wormholes, they just step through the wormhole and then they're here. Yeah. So I'm all game for that. But then there are no UFOs, right?

Why would you need a ship? Well, exactly. You know, guarding through the sky. And by the way, what would surprise me most if in all these testimonies that happen in Congress Center are imitated a bit in Disclosure Day. These documents, these videos, is it too much to ask for them to just bring out the alien at this point?

They're telling me you got them. You got all these people talking about it. Bring out the alien. And that way, no one ever has to ask, do you believe in aliens? Well, this is the thing. So the Trump administration recently released a batch of us. 161 classified UAP files, documenting 400 supposed encounters. We've picked out one of the best.

This is June 24 from the Indo-Pacific Command. Let's just show viewers what this is. Sure. When you look at that, what do you think you're seeing? I don't know. It's a mystery. The universe brims with mysteries. I have no problem.

But it is odd that this is not a high-resolution color image. It's like a gray scale, you know, low color depth image. And so it's odd that the less resolution available to you, the more likely you are to think it's alien. That's a little odd to consider that. And so I don't claim to know what it all up. By the way, even UFO enthusiasts will say that most sightings do have natural explanations, but you part through them all, there's some that cannot be explained. I don't have a problem with that.

That's what science is about. It's time to get better data, more data. And I'm glad the Pentagon has a fraction of its budget to try to study what's up there. And by the way, just because something was top secret doesn't mean it was a cover-up, all right? The government has top-secret, especially the military. You'd want stuff to be secret if it might harm or for national security or whatever. But if we're now releasing them, don't tell me that it was a cover-up if they were top secret and now it's no longer secret. That's A.

B, what would surprise me most is if they did bring out an alien and it was humanoid. Yes. That would, I was like, oh, my gosh. How would blow your mind? Blow my mind. It would blow my mind. Stephen Spielberg, at the premiere of his movie, was asked whether in our lifetime we'll discover there is life beyond Earth. and he said yes, and I'll accept whatever they are.

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And he's got three of them, four, if you count, war of the world. So I would delight in meeting the aliens. Everybody wants to meet the aliens. And by the way, this trope of evil alien that's been around us since the original OG evil alien story War of the Worlds by H.G. Wells, the evil alien, we don't have evidence that aliens are evil, but you know what we do have evidence of?

That humans are evil to other humans when there's a mismatch in technology. So it's pretty clear to me, not that I'm a psychologist or anything, but we might be projecting our own behavior on these alien stories. on the aliens in these stories. How would they treat us because we know we have treated each other that way? So, you know, what intrigues me and enchance me is that we have nearly 100 years of crowdsourcing our imagined alien scenarios. And what I do in the book is explore how many, how much of that is real, is consistent

with laws of physics, or, or it wasn't, imaginative enough, for example. And so it's actually a love letter to aliens. What is your favorite alien movie of all time? That would be contact. But the Carl Sagan story turned movie, you know why? Because they don't show the aliens. It's left to your imagination. We see the handiwork of the aliens, but to see an alien that forces you into the imagination of the storyteller rather than into your own imagination, which often can transcend that. So I think that's the best film to capture an encounter with aliens,

and it explored how we might react to it. Different, different occults rising up, you know, saying we have a new God or a new this, and people, you know, that's, you know, we would behave that way in the face of that information. But, yeah, that one, and 2001 of Space Odyssey, also didn't show the aliens, just show their handiwork. Neil deGrasse. No. No.

In all fairness, if I had to pick one that had an alien in it, it would be the blob from 1958, starring Steve McQueen. Why? That was the alien. It came by meteor or something. It was just a blob. It was non-humanoid. It didn't have eyes, nose, mouth.

It was just a blob. And it came down transparent. Yeah, it did. It was a transparent blob. And then after it consumed its first victim, amoeba style, it was red for the rest of the film. Yeah, yeah. And it could ooze under doorways and through air ducts. It was terrifying, but completely terrifying.

That's a good alien for you. Love it. Neil, great to have you back on our sense. So congratulations on the book. Take me to your leader. An absolutely fascinating tome, as always, from Neil deGrasse Tyson. Great to have you back. Thank you very much.

Excellent. Thank you. Well, we've heard what the scientific approach to aliens might be, but how would people react if it actually happened? A new Sky documentary answers that question by telling the incredible story of the 1995 Roswell Alien Autopsy scandal. Here's a taster.

Footage has emerged claiming to be authentic US military vision of alien beings. When I first saw the footage, I thought hell fire. But none of us knew that it would take off like it did. Is it real or is it not? Could this really be?

genuine and is this the smoking gun well i just want to know is the truth it's real talking about the biggest cover-up that's gone on on this planet it's coming up within congress the answer really lies with the cameraman i am the person who shot the bill we're joining me now are gary shoefield who was behind creating the original alien autopsy footage and john humphreys the genius artist who created the aliens and the director of that new documentary, the Alien Autopsy Scandal, John Dower. So welcome to all of you. But Gary, you were one of the masterminds behind the hoax footage,

although you and your co-producer Ray Santelli refused to call it a hoax. You insist the footage was a recreation of a genuine 1947 Roswell Autopsy film, which you discovered in the 90s. And by the time that you brought the physical film canisters back to the UK, the film had almost completely disintegrated and oxidized due to poor storage. And you say you hired a team to recreate the entire autopsy frame by frame using the remaining scraps as a visual reference.

And we can see some of this on screen so that viewers know, I think, what we're talking about here, some Yule here. Have we got that? Yeah. So this is what we're saying, which is a recreation of what you say was on the original film canisters. Now, a lot of people have been pretty cynical about this and think you never saw any original footage and this is all bullshit. What do you say to them? I say it's not bullshit.

It's all real. Ray discovered the footage. We were both in America. He went to visit the cameraman in Florida and got introduced to the footage. None of us had anything to do with the UFO community. So we didn't have any prior knowledge. We didn't know what Roswell was or anything like it.

And then eventually when we got the footage, as you rightly say, it had degraded. I was in poor shape. So we had to recreate it, restore it, which is how we refer to it because it contained real footage. And we've stuck by that ever since, and we've never said anything else. We totally believe it's real and true. And you're always going to get naysayers. This footage was entirely handmade inside a residential flat in Camden in North London. the visual illusion was meticulously masterminded by filmmaker and magician Spiros Milares,

who designed the shoot as a psychological experiment on belief. Now, John Humphreys, you're a very talented special effects sculptor. You've worked on Doctor Who, amongst many other things. You built this extraterrestrial from scratch over a period of three weeks. So tell me about your role in this. Well, I was approached by Spiros, who told me that. that Ray Santilli had bought some alien autopsy footage, but it was really quite badly degraded.

And Ray wanted to recreate the footage, restore the footage in a way, so that it could be broadcast. And so as a team of us, we set about sculpting the alien and tried to recreate it. what I was shown on film. Now, I understand the creature's brain

consisted of three sheep's brains covered in clear jelly. You originally considered, or Malarist did, using dark raspberry jelly for the brain matter, but rejected it because it looked too dark on black and white film. The rest of the chest cavity was packed with a pigs' pluck,

the lungs, heart and windpipe, cow gizzards, chicken intestines, and a leg of lamb. It all sounds very silent, lambs? Well, quite handily, I lived right next to Smithfield Market at the time. So, being a former butcher's boy, I had a bit of an idea how to approach this. It was, it wasn't, you know, a massive budget. And so it was a very simple way of, of, of, of, of, creating the footage. Now, Gary, when the footage was released, the media reaction was obviously

gigantic around the world. But when television executives and investigators demanded proof of the anonymous US military cameraman who supposedly sold you guys the film, you managed what people believe was a cover-up. You tracked down a homeless man on the streets of Los Angeles, paid him, shaved him, and filmed him in a cheap motel room reading a scripted statement to pass him off to TV networks as the authentic 1947 veteran. Is all that true? Yes, the real cameraman didn't want to be exposed. He didn't want his name given out to anybody. We stuck to our promise.

We never revealed his details or anything about him. So we had no choice but to replace him. Now, television networks bought the broadcast rights. Fox paid Santilli between $150,000 and $250,000 for the US rights alone. And it's been reported that you guys absolutely cleaned up. by selling VHS tapes directly to the public. Is that true? Some of that's true.

So what we did was we actually gave the footage free to the broadcasters. They all made their own version of the documentary. There's no one documentary that went out around the world. Channel 4 had one. Obviously, Fox had one and a lot of other broadcasters. And the deal we did was you can't say it's fake unless you can prove it. If you can prove it's fake, fair.

But nobody, not one broadcast. that ever said it was fake, and in return, we got the home video rights. How much have you made from this? I really couldn't say. Well, give me a ballpark. I really couldn't say, honestly. Half a million, a million, ten million? It's a long time ago.

Spirot sold us, Gary, that you made 18 million. Is that true? Well, that's an interesting number. I wish my bank account would reflect such facts, but I'm afraid it doesn't. What would be a more accurate figure? nothing like that it was a very good project for us financially and commercially that was our intention what it unleashed around the world was a fascination because roswell was not a household name back then we had a lot to do with that and i think it was the governor of new mexico used

our footage to try and get the blue book opened by the u.s government which as anybody you saw the Blue Book, show on the history channel is where all the files are kept. And it's just gone on from there. So I think we did the world of service by opening that door. OK, well, let's bring in John Dow, the director of the documentary. You're not as convinced, are you by all this? No. I mean, I have been making documentaries for nearly 30 years.

This is easily the most bonkers thing I've ever been involved with. And I made a film with Louis Thruh about Scientology. So that's saying something. I mean, I have moments, I mean, I want to believe, I do want to believe that there is other life forms. If only to, you know, as you were talking to discussing with your last guest, Neil, you know, if only they can save us from ourselves. But I had moments speaking to Gary and Ray where I did believe this idea of these original frames from a 1947 film. But the more I went into this story, it's like, it is a totally bonkers story. it is like entering a hall of mirrors.

And I got very lost in it. At times, I think I'm still lost in it. And I still think Ray maybe saw something, but I find the whole issue of the original frames difficult to square with some of the contradictions in the story. And when you add in the cameraman who ended up being a faked as a homeless guy in L.A., does that add to your cynicism about this? Yes.

Although at each, there were moments where I'd suddenly, no, this isn't true. And then we'd speak to another character. So there are other characters in this series, including a gentleman called Richard Doty, who is a former US Air Force intelligence officer, who told me, very matter of fact, that he saw in his time, this is a man who had access to Area 51,

he saw similar to Ray and Garys. He also told me that the American government had a live alien for Roswell that they kept in captivity two or three years. So every time I found, and I came into this story genuinely believing Ray and Gary, if only because they told me it, So many times with so much truth,

I thought that the pair of them would be clinically insane to keep telling me the same story over and over again. So I kind of did. Well, I'll come back to Gary. I mean, obviously you could either be clinically insane or you could just be extremely smart, cunning operators who concocted all this, brought in John to create a brilliant recreation of the creatures,

marketed at it superbly, fate the camera guy who mysteriously didn't want to appear and got a homeless guy to do it, did all this, and made a ton of cash. In which case, I would say, you know, well done. But it's a lot of people are torn. I'm sure the documentary won't really. I mean, there's no way that John can definitively say you faked it,

but there's also no way of anyone outside of you in your small group of people knowing that you didn't. Right? In other words, how do we know? Okay, so John said that he believed this because we told the same story time and time again, no changes, no mistakes. It's so much easier to remember the truth and to remember lies. So that's how I'd answer that one. Except that I've interviewed a lot of serial killers and psychopaths and people, and they're very, very good lies.

And they train themselves to repeat this. I'm not saying you are. I'm just saying I have interviewed a lot of people who are very, very good at not tripping up when they've concurred. cocted a story to suit a purpose, which in their case is to try and get out of lifetime in prison. In your case, the motivation is obvious, which is you command enormous public attention, and then you flog your VHS tapes and make yourselves millionaires. I mean, you can see the modus operandi if you want to be cynical about it. You can, but that still won't change anything that I feel about everything.

I was there with Ray in America when he came across the footage. I was in his office when the footage arrived, and he opened the tins, and there was a terrible smell that came off of them, and we knew straight away there was a problem. So I was with him every step of the way. That stuff doesn't happen if it's all made up, because I'd swear on anything that I witnessed these things,

dealt with these things. And then we had governments come and visit us, like the Chinese government came to see us with papers and everything to watch the footage, and they said, you have the same footage the Americans have gone. Other governments came as well, and everyone agreed that what we had, the Americans had it, and then much more recently about five, six years ago, an astronaut died.

They went through his files, and there was an email from a gentleman at the CIA confirming that our footage was real. It just doesn't get any better than that. Okay. That story is a bit ridiculous, Gary. I'd have to call you up on that, that's a story. That bit I don't buy. Which bit?

You're referring to Kit Green, the CIA scientist. Correct. But you've seen the... But what I've never understood about that story, Gary, which is why we didn't put it in the film. Sorry to get too granular about this. But if Kit Green is saying that your film is the original 1947 autopsy film,

it can't be because you yourselves have said it's a restoration in a Camden flat involving John's wonderful sculpture and we should give a shout out to one of the real heroes of the restoration, Trevor from the East End, from Smithfield's Market, who did an amazing job. He's one of the stars, Trevor the Butch, you know, if Kit Green, the CIA scientist, Gary, is saying,

this is the real footage, but it's not. It's, you yourselves have said it's a restoration based on these frames. And I'm still, I still haven't seen a definitive original frame. Well, a restoration thing in the first place, the fact that we did such an extraordinary job that we were able to convince governments, Kit Green and others, that it was the real footage, I think is a compliment to us and the team behind it. Okay, let me just go to John for the final word here. John, you know, you did brilliant work in recreating this alien.

Do you believe the story that Gary has been telling all these years? Do you absolutely 100% believe him, or is there a little bit of doubt? I have no doubt. They showed me images, and that's why I work from. I've worked on quite a few films where you get given a very grainy picture of an ancient sculpture, and you have to recreate it as a new piece. And I'm pretty good at analysing quite grainy. very degraded images and eking out what's in there.

So, yeah, this is what I was told at the very beginning. This is what I based my image on. And I believe it, you know, it's true. I think in, you know, if you look at the universe, they reckon there's 26 sextillion planets in the universe, which means for every grain of sand on the earth, every grain, there's a planet in space. And if you believe in evolution,

then you've got to believe that some life form exists somewhere else. I'm sure of that. It's just whether the Roswell autopsy was real or not. And I guess, well, Gary, you know, you may take the secrets to your grave. Maybe you're telling the truth. Maybe you're not.

I mean, John, did you make much money, John, from this? I made some money. I was paid from my work. But I was, and that was that. It's like I work on any film, you get paid, you walk away from it, you know. Fascinating stuff. Well, gentlemen, we'll leave it there. The documentary is a great watch, and we just don't know.

But, you know, it's certainly you put up a very good argument, Gary, for why it should be genuine. And you've got a movie about it, people can watch it and make their own minds up. But I think we can all agree that John's work on the cadavera of this alien was magnificent. So thank you all very much. Thank you, Peirce. Thank you. Finally, we can't talk about science fiction, if it is fiction, that is,

without hearing from YouTube's biggest movie buffs, Will Jordan, aka The Critical Drinker, and Gary Beakler, aka Nojohnie. Well, welcome to both of you. Been a while, guys. Great to have you both back. Massive movie coming out, Disclosure Day. A Spielberg classic

to add to his role call of amazing science fiction films. Critical Drinker. Have you seen it? Is it any good? What are you hearing about this? In terms of what I've heard from it, it's been bizarre. There's been almost no chatter, no anticipation about it online whatsoever. There seems to be very little interest in this movie, and I'm not entirely sure why. It's a Stephen Spielberg film. I mean, maybe we've reached that point where, you know, Stephen Spielberg doing a movie just isn't firing up people's imaginations like it used to do 10, 15, 20 years ago. Maybe we've got to that.

point now. Yeah, I mean, I've seen some reviews which are terrible and others loved it. It's like there's very little middle ground and it puts the whole Roswell thing at the heart of stuff. Now, I'm old enough to remember all the Roswell stuff. It could part of the issue be if you're young, you probably don't anything about Roswell. You probably don't unless you, I, there's a lot of documentaries out there, but that is kind of ancient history. And I think Also part of it is, you know, Spielberg's had his time. I've seen the reviews as well and they are split and they're crazy. A couple of my friends have seen it and said it's terrible.

It's absolutely terrible. It's kind of a slog. I'm going to see it tomorrow. Spielberg's had his time. It almost feels like some of the reviews are apologetic that they don't want to criticize the king of film at this point. But I think he's way past his prime. You know, it's interesting that he's decided. to dip his fingers back into genre a little bit,

although people like me actually believe aliens exist. So, but I think with this one, it's just far too late. We have a 94-year-old John Williams, God bless them, you know, doing the score for this. And I just think it's too late. It would have been nice to have a follow-up quicker to E.T. Or what I think is his best UFO film, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, which is absolute genius. Absolutely. But that was a long time ago.

I've never watched any of his science fiction. I don't watch science fiction full stop, ever. Well, you're missing out. Well, that's your loss, peers. That's your loss. Well, I don't think it is. I feel like I've gone through life perfectly happy without ever watching any of it.

If it's not real. You don't know. If it's not real, there's weird little bells going off and weird little creatures. That's not for me. Well, I think the interesting thing about science fiction is that it kind of broadens your horizons. it gives you different perspectives on things.

Like oftentimes science fiction is going to be some kind of interest and spin on things that we deal with in our current world. But usually when it's done it well, it's not trying to preach at you and tell you how you should see things. It opens your minds to different perspectives on things, which I think is really the heart. I used to, I love the Star Trek TV series in the 60s when I was a kid. That's the far as I go in.

Because I genuinely believed in Captain James T. Kirk. and Spock and Ahura. Don't we all? Yeah, they felt very real to me. It's when you start seeing weird little creatures flying around and, you know. Well, there's all different kinds of science fiction. On a serious point, the drollic, do you believe the Roswell thing is real? I've just interviewed the two guys who basically, you know,

some people think they recreated it and faked it. Other people think that they believe their story. They found the original footage. They recreated it from original. footage and it was the Roswell autopsy. What do you think? There is a lot of frauds in UFOology.

That is no secret. But I think it happened. I think there was a lot of smoke there and I've read a lot of books on the subject and yes, I do believe something happened particularly with the military changing their story originally

going out there and saying, yeah, we got a UFO and then, oh, no, no, it was just a weather balloon. then on the 50th anniversary, the military just came up, pulled this one out of their butt, that they had, that they were running some test with dummies. And the aliens they found were dummies. And when they do stuff like that, it makes me believe it more, particularly when they, when they pull that on on a 50th anniversary.

So I am a believer in aliens and UFO. I don't know what they are, but I definitely think Rosswell happened. Yes. Critical drinker. Are you a believer? Do I believe that there's other alien life out there somewhere in that infinitely vast universe? Probably. I mean, it's an awfully big waste of space otherwise.

Do I think they've come and visited us here on Earth? Eh, I'm yet to be convinced. I mean, they probably have, haven't they? I mean, I just keep thinking, lower probability is like there are gazillions of planets. Of course there must be other life and probably more sophisticated than us. And they probably have come here. and we wouldn't know if they had. Well, I mean, if they're monitoring our TV and movie broadcasts and so on

and they see that that's a representation of human culture these days, man, I wouldn't blame them for giving us a white bird. I mean, they might have taken one look at keeping up with the Kardashians and just pissed off again. Yeah. I think our entire planet's the universe's best reality show. Yes. I think we're just entertainment or an ant farm. Or maybe they're so far advanced.

They spent a few hours in Donald Trump's truth social feed. thought nothing could be as alien as this, we're out of here. Or blue sky, possibly. Polymarket says that the US will confirm that aliens exist by the end of the year, $50 million placed on this market with 14% saying disclosure day will happen before the end of the years. And not a huge number, but 14% are betting that disclosure day or predicting disclosure day will happen. Do you think that's likely,

uh, no, no. I think even if, uh, whatever president, but let's just say Trump goes out there and announces that aliens are real, half the country is automatically not going to believe them based on, you know, party politics and it would go the other way. I think the only way that we get confirmation if it's just a citizen and with AI now, it's almost impossible. It's, it's really bad for you offology right now because you can easily fake stuff.

So, no, I think there is a faction in the government that does want this out. And I think there's a bigger faction that doesn't want it out. And with the disclosure film, I won't spoil the ending. I know the ending. But with the disclosure film, it's going to be very similar to what we've had in real life, which is blue balls. All they talk about is, man, I know these really crazy things that I can't tell you, but I'll talk about it in a skiff.

Like, that's all it's been. They haven't really shown us any aliens, any tech, or anything. It's just talking about, wow, man, we see some crazy stuff. Wish I could tell you, and we're tired of it, you know. And critical drinking. When I talked to Neil deGrasse Tyson, the movies, his favorite science fiction movies are the ones that don't depict the aliens as humanoid.

Do you have a favorite science fiction film? Oh, when it comes to aliens, I guess the quintessential one has got to be alien because it does a superb job of making the concept of extraterrestrial life absolutely terrifying, a genuinely alien creature with a life cycle and a purpose that we can't even begin to understand. So that would be one of my top picks, close encounters, as we mentioned earlier. A great movie from Spielberg that I don't think gets the attention it deserves nowadays. I think it portrays. alien contact at the opposite end of the spectrum, not as something terrifying and horrific and they're out to kill everyone, but it's a benevolent and it's a conversation. It's about making contact with them for the first time. And yeah, probably as a recent one, Project Hail Mary, very much enjoyed that. That straddles a middle ground of that you've got a wildly different alien life form that has to make contact with our human protagonist, but there's a universality to They're united by a common cause and they eventually even form a friendship of sorts,

which I think is a wonderful heartwarming little story. And Nadrotic, just finally, breaking news today that Doctor Who has been cancelled. I mean, that was, again, something from my youth. How do you feel about this? It's sad and I'm happy it happened because you took a show you'll know more than me, peers, because you live there. I guess you too well. It was part of your culture.

It was, and we've never, we don't have anything like that even close in the States. There was a point where like one fifth of your country was watching Doctor Who. And they have taken this show that was for everyone. It was a family show. And they made it for the smallest demographic possible. And unsurprisingly enough, nobody watched it. And what they did was what's been happening to a lot of Hollywood now is absolutely remove masculinity from it completely. and that's the majority of your audience.

And they decided to double down and triple down, not listen to the fans at all, or I don't know, outright attack the fans. And now they are canceled as we thought it would be. And there's really no way to fix it. They can try to reboot it. But with Doctor Who, the continuity matters. And they messed so much of it up.

And again, vilified so many of the fans. I don't know how you come back from this. RIP, Doctor Who. Exactly. I think we can all agree with that. Gentlemen, got to leave it there. Thank you both very much indeed. Thank you.

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