Piers Morgan Uncensored - Kevin Spacey: Honest or Acting?

Episode Date: June 14, 2024

There has been an unprecedented global reaction to Piers' interview with Kevin Spacey. And as you would expect with an A-list superstar who’s been embroiled in the most serious of scandals, opinion is sharply divided. Kevin Spacey wants to get back on the Hollywood horse. In fact, he needs to. But does he deserve a second chance? Is it even possible? To discuss Spacey and a whole lot more, Movie reviewer extraordinaire,The Critical Drinker and pop culture critic Nerdrotic. Joining them, author of 'The Case For Cancel Culture', Ernest Owens & Uncensored regulars; Esther Krakue and James Barr. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Did you think he was sincere? I'm so grateful that I am alive and I got through this. When we see actors crying on camera, like it's kind of what they're paid to do. I do have some empathy for Kevin Spacey. I can't believe I'm actually saying that. Hollywood has no moral compass. They would invite him in open arms if they thought he could sell ticket. I'm sorry to say this, but this was his Prince Andrew moment.

The public is going to hear the part where he knew Jeffrey Epstein. They're not going to get past that part. Kevin Spacey appears to have a bunch of skeletons. skeletons in his closet and the more I learn more about him, the more I dislike him. I think people are perhaps more willing to forgive Will Smith because they understand at least why he did what he did. Yes, he slapped Chris Rock, but I think his bigger crime is marrying a disloyal witch in Jada Smith. There's been an unprecedented global reaction to my interview with Kevin Spacey. As you'd expect, with an A-List superstar who's been embroiled in the most

serious of scandals, opinion is sharply divided. Many people saw a diminished and humble man whose stellar career has been wrecked by allegations that were never proven in court. Others simply cannot see past the severity of the claims that were made in the first place. That's a major part of a debate about Hollywood culture, about cancelled culture, about the Me Too movement itself. The further to prosecute in the court of public opinion,

the eagerness to believe all people who make allegations seems more important now in our culture than the verdict of an actual court of law. Spacey was disarmingly honest about the fact his behaviour has been extremely uncomfortable, but he insisted it wasn't illegal and no one's proven it was. You talk about bad behavior

that you committed. What do you mean by that? What's your idea of bad behavior when you look back of what you were doing? Pushing the boundaries? In what way? I mean, being too handsy, you know? Touching someone sexually. Groping people. In a way that I didn't know at the time they didn't want.

So some of the space he's passed behavior by his own admission definitely made people squirm when they were. watched the interview. Many people found it not just immoral and republican, but possibly criminal, what he was admitting to there. Now, he admitted to me that he's talking privately to a significant number of people who feel exactly that as part of his atonement. But the world does change, as societal norms change with it. We don't now prosecute motorists who didn't wear seatbelts in the 70s. We look at the details of some of the allegations about spaces. We did it at length. Most of them didn't even pass a common sense test. Multiple courts, criminal and civil, have acquitted him on all

charges. But his career has been pretty much ended, and the cancellation has financially ruined him as he emotionally revealed in the interview. Are you facing bankruptcy? Been a couple of times when I thought I was going to file, but we've managed to sort of dodge it, at least as of today. How much money do you have? None. Do you want me asking how much you are? It's considerable. Millions? Many millions, yes. The house itself is many millions.

What are you going to do? Get back on the horse. So Kevin Spacey wants to get back on the Hollywood horse to restart his acting career, and he needs to financially. But does he deserve a second chance? Is it even possible? Well, movie executives and more importantly,

audiences accept him. Hollywood's moral compass has always been rather warped. Let's we forget, the three-minute Oscars' ovation for convicted pedophile Roman Polanski on the same night Michael Moore was booed and heckled for criticizing the illegal war in Iraq. The Academy Wars took 40 years to ban Polanski,

but he's still fated by Hollywood. Actors still want to be in his movies. But just a few days after Will Smith did the slap that was sent around the world, he was sent to Hollywood obscurity and purder, but he's now roaring back and bringing box office sales with him, his new movie took over $100 million at the weekend.

And maybe that's the key. One thing we can all agree on is that Kevin Spacey is a remarkable actor with no criminal record. The public wrote him off in the Me Too Stampede. Maybe the public can decide if they want to pay to see him back on the big screen. We're here to discuss Spacey and a whole lot more, two of YouTube's most ferocious commentators on All Things Hollywood, movie reviewer extraordinaire, critical drinker,

and pop culture critic Nerdrotic. And joining them, author of the case for cancelled culture, Ernest Owens with his book there. And here in the studio, Uncensored Regulars, Esther Cracko and alleged comedian James Barr. Who knows all about allegations because I just called him an alleged comedian. All right, James, let me start with you. Let me ask you a blunt question. Yeah.

Did you believe Kevin Spacey? I think the worst thing about that interview from Honest Piers is the fact that you were, I mean, you're not one of the world's best emotors. It's not what you're famous for. And yet you sort of licked his ass a bit. And listen, I think it was an important interview, but it's obvious that he did a lot wrong. He said that, he admitted that.

He said he did some bad stuff that he was handsy and caressed people. And then you cut back saying, well, you never caressed me as if to say that victims don't matter. And I find that deeply offensive. It wasn't obviously what I meant, and you know what I wasn't what I meant.

No, what I felt was with Spacey is that he has been through two trials, one criminal, one civil, and in both cases, after a thorough examination of everything about him, he was found not guilty. And I believe in due process. But he's guilty by his own admission of bad behavior. But I don't believe in people be convicted by the court of public opinion. But he's admitted it himself.

So he's basically convicted himself by saying... But are you... Here's my other blunt question. You're a gay man, right? Are you seriously telling me that hansy behaviour is a completely alien concept in the gay community if you're all in bars and having a good time? Be honest. I think Kevin was coming out. Because gay friends and mine have said absolutely a lot of guys are hansy with each other.

So I don't know. I've not been in gay bar. You tell me. You've never been in a gay bar. I'll take you, peers. It's important that we have safe spaces. Oh, what am I going, actually? As long as you keep your hands to yourself. Kevin, safe space. He is a safe space.

I think where we're talking about Kevin, Kevin Spacey, it's in a workplace. And as a gay man, I have also experienced someone being handsy with me in a workplace. I've experienced bosses. It wasn't here, to be clear. It wasn't Kevin Spacey. It wasn't. It wasn't.

It wasn't Peter's Morgan. I've experienced that. And so I do have some empathy with Kevin's victims, but I do have empathy with Kevin as well. What he's had to go through is difficult. But it is, by his own admission, his fault. Should he remain cancelled? I think it's not cancelled. I think it's...

Well, he is. He can't get work. Well, I mean... If you ruin your reputation by behaving badly, that is going to happen. Should Hollywood continue to refuse to hire him? Well, he has ruined his reputation. But he's an innocent man in terms of the court of law. But other people have the right to not work with someone that's ruined their reputation.

Hollywood will work with Roman Polanski, who's a convicted rapist of a child, who then esconded the country, America, to go and live in France to avoid justice. He is still fated by Hollywood. That, to me, is a rank hypocrisy. I mean, the Hollywood that he's seeking to go back into now is a different space. It's now more driven by social media and by average members of the public. You can't get away with the same thing that Harvey Weinstein. But Polanski does get away with it.

He is still being employed by Hollywood. That Hollywood is still what is it? That Hollywood is dying. Sorry, who was that? Honest yet. I said, it's Mr. Ernest. I said he was banned by the, he's also banned by the Academy in motion picture arts and sciences. Yeah, but he's still making movies.

But he's making movies. actors are happy to appear with him. You know why? Because maybe unlike, I mean, there's double standards. In my book, I do say not all cancellations are the same. So I want to be very upfront about that, that this is, cancel culture is not evenly distributed and handled to people. But I think the difference here is, is that Roma Philansky was not necessarily, you know, groping and being inappropriate with other actors.

He raped a girl. He raped a 14-year-old girl. Agreed. He's wrong, just like Arkeld. He was actually convicted of raping a girl. No, I said he was wrong. He was criminal. I agree with you. I don't disagree with you.

He was wrong, right? Scared me that bit. What I'm saying here, if you can let me talk, is that he was wrong. He definitely should have been gone, but this is the point I'm trying to make. There is a double standard in Hollywood. But just because there's a double standard

that benefits Roma Polanski wrongly, because he should have been going a long time ago, That doesn't mean that just because one person gets away with doing something inappropriate and get a second pass, that that means Kevin Spacey can get a second pass. But why should Kevin Spacey, all right, why should Kevin Spacey, hang on, hang on, why should Kevin Spacey not get a second pass given he's being found not guilty both in a criminal trial and in a civil trial where the alleged victim ended up having to pay Kevin Spacey $40,000 because no one believed him?

for starters, he still has another case that is pending, another civil suit that's pending. Well, he has one of the people who lost the criminal trial taking a civil action against him. He has another one pending. But outside of that, you don't have to, as a personal workspace, right, this is a free enterprise. In the United States, there is a free enterprise

where people can choose, work to hire whoever they want to. That is a democracy, right? We get to choose as individuals who we want to work with, who we want to allow in our workspace. If you have a repeated history of sexual harassment, sexual assault, and inappropriate behavior, right? Again, again, again, you are convicting him of crimes he's not been found guilty of.

He's never been found guilty of sexual assault. But he's admitting to doing it in other environments, right? And I think that I think, I think, I can't believe I'm saying this. But I think, well, hang on, breaking news. Esther's about to agree with you, I agree with you, Ernest. I think I'm sewing up a little bit in my mouth. But I do think that Ernest has a point. And I think if the issue is the fact that Kevin Spacey can no longer find work,

that interview, the interview he did with you, Pierce, is not going to help. I'm sorry to say this, but this was his Prince Andrew moment, right? No, it's not. I think the opposite. It was. His case should have been, I am an individual member of the public, just like everyone else. If someone was tried for burglary and they were acquitted, they should be able to resume their life. And that is exactly the case he should have argued.

By him going into the fact that, yes, I have broke people inappropriately, and that I was on Jeffrey Epstein's plane and saw younger, but didn't take us to the police or do anything about it. He's blown himself up in the court of public opinion. I didn't need to know all that. I don't want to know your business with the nasty Clintons or the Jeffrey Epstein or you groping whoever or whatever. So far as I'm concerned, as a member of the public,

you have been acquitted at all charges and should resume your career. Alison Pearson made a very good defense of him in the telegraph, and he should have used his allies, which is a word I find annoying, in the media, to argue his case and actually have built that kind of support. Because as far as we are concerned, he is an innocent man.

But he didn't do that. He decided to sit on your shirt. your show and say he wrote people and now he's sorry. Boss, who cares? Okay, let me go to Critical Drinker. Interesting timing of all this, because Will Smith, who was basically sent to Hollywood Purda, is now back with a massive bank. His new movie, the new Bad Boys movie, has taken $100 million at the box office. What does that tell you about, if anything, about the double standard perhaps of, you know, you punch a guy at the Oscars and that is deemed to be less canceivable

than being accused of stuff you'll then found not guilty of doing in a court of law. Yeah, I think you have to look at the nature of the accusation against this person. In the case of Will Smith, ultimately he was a guy who was standing up for his wife who was getting publicly ridiculed. Whatever you might think about Jada or their marriage

or whatever, that's none of our business. That's between them. And yeah, he definitely shouldn't have gotten physical. That's not a good thing. to do, but you can at least understand it. He was a man who was standing up for his wife. There is a big difference between that and a man who is accused of sexual improprietary with people who are in much less powerful positions than him.

And so I think that is a big factor in all of this. I think people are perhaps more willing to forgive Will Smith because they understand at least why he did what he did. Okay. In family brain. Well, hang on, no. It's just everyone I have to say. The drop, so just before we explore us a bit more,

how good an actor is Kevin Spacey? I mean, where will he rank, do you think? Oh, I would easily say he's in the, I mean, top 20, top 30 of actors of our generation. I can't say of all time, but of our generation for sure. You know, he, but what Kevin Spacey faces to get in that conversation, honestly, is fair or not, it's the court of public opinion, right? It's, and ultimately, that's what Hollywood has to assess.

And he's been found not guilty in a couple of cases. That's great. But I caught a bit of your interview. Any talk of getting on that plane with that dude going to that island is going to affect him here. Well, hang on, hang on. He wasn't going to the island. He was going on a charity. But any connection.

Well, he was going with Bill. Hang on, let's just to be clear. He was going on, with Bill Clinton to Africa as part of the Clinton Foundation work. It happened to be Jeffrey Epstein's plane, which he found out later. So he wasn't going to the eye. He never been to the eye. Being on a plane with Bill Clinton on Jeffrey Epstein. And young girls, and you said nothing about it. And young girls and when the whole thing blew up, he said nothing publicly. It's ludicrous. Yeah. So, so the public is going to hear the part where he knew Jeffrey Epstein. and he went on a plane. They're not going to get past that part. And whether that's fair or not, I mean, like America is the land of second and third chances. I wouldn't be here talking to you if that wasn't possible.

And hell, I love L.A. confidential is one of my all-time favorite movies. He was great in it. He was great in the usual suspects. It doesn't matter how great of an actor he is at this point. It's what's the public going to say?

And I'm sure there's a lot of people. Like, Hollywood has no moral compass. They would invite him in open arms if they thought he could, He could sell tickets. They wouldn't give a crap what he did. Okay, see, I actually think the interview is going to help him. I might be wrong, but I do think from the reaction I've seen on my Twitter feed,

which is a lot, I've got nearly 9 million followers. There's a lot of comments coming in. I would say more than not are supportive. Let's just see a clip from the interview where he breaks down in tears. I'm enormously grateful that my focus has shifted because Jack was my, was my mentor and my father figure. I'm so grateful that I am alive, and I got through this. Well, it's funny you ask that question.

My house is being sold at auction. Really? So I have to go back to Baltimore and put all my things in storage. James, did you think he was sincere, or as some people have said... He's an actor. Yeah. I mean, yeah, you're exactly right. He's an actor.

This is the thing. We see actors crying on camera. It's kind of what they're paid to do for a living, so we don't necessarily... Well, it is, but how does an actor then genuinely cry in an interview to avoid that? You don't. You don't do the interview. This is the thing.

Hang on, hang on. You don't do interviews. All right, but look, Esther, it's fine to say you don't do interviews. This guy is currently unemployed. He's lost all his money. He owes millions. He's one of the great actors of a generation. And he's desperate to get back to work.

What else is you supposed to do? I appreciate that. But the thing is, silence isn't going to help you. Here's the thing. He has allies within the media that can argue his case for him without making it personal,

without having this two-time Oscar winner cry on screen and tug at my heartstrings. Maybe I'm hardened by the streets of London, but I didn't feel anything. I actually felt more supportive of him when I read Alison Pearson's piece in the Telegraph arguing his case because that is a member of the public, average, I don't care he's an actor,

who's been acquitted of all charges and been robbed of his livelihood and should have the right to get it back. We don't need to see all of this, because I'm sorry it's bad PR. If I was advising him, I would say no. I feel a little different to Esther. I do have some empathy for Kevin Spacey.

I can't believe I'm actually saying that. I really, I really can't. Why? Why can't you? Because I also believe, as he's admitted, that he is responsible for some very bad behavior. But ultimately, he is trying to make his life better. He's doing the work. And I appreciate that.

I think that's important for society that we look into our misgivings. But I want to mention one thing. Hang on, it's all come to you. It really bothered me about your interview and the way you handled that with Kevin. When you bought up one of the accusers in the channel for documentary... Well, let's take a look at the clip,

and then he can make your point. Yeah. We had a lot of fun together. When he left the show, we were emailing to each other. He was talking about working out, he was getting buff, and I said, oh, send me a picture. And he sent me a couple pictures that were naked and provocative. We've got them.

Huh. Yeah. He claimed that this incident at the movies happened in 1998. I have an email from him in 2011. I have an email from him in 2013, in which he's not only in the 2011 one, says how great it was to see me when I was just in Los Angeles. So that's the two different stories there, spliced in together.

Yeah, and you handled that like it was a gotcha, like, oh, well, he wouldn't be emailing Kevin. if this was true, because when you've suffered abuse from someone, there is a cycle of abuse that people go through where they go back to the perpetrator to try and resolve trauma that's happened in their past, or maybe they haven't dealt with the trauma. You send them hot naked pictures? I'm saying, yeah, because you might be seeking their validation.

Oh, it's bullshit, sorry. No, it's not. No, I'm afraid it is. It's not bullshit. This would be my whole problem with the Me Too thing. Have you ever suffered? My whole problem with the Me Too movement, was it strayed into this kind of thing, where time and again we would see supposed victims then continuing to...

Well, okay. I don't think these are proper victims if they continue to... Do you think Kevin Spacey's a victim? No, I don't. Well, that was definitely the tone of the interview. No, I don't think he's a victim. But I don't think anyone...

I don't think you can say Kevin Spacey was being hansy with me and I was traumatized and then you send him naked pictures. I think you can if you look at the history of abuse and the cycle of abuse and how that... No, it's not mad. I don't think you'd be. believe that. You need to get a therapy if you don't make me.

It's my. Trust me, it's a thing. Actually, I would never get a therapy. I think it actually makes things a lot worse than most people. Ernest, you've been trying to get in here. I mean, why was somebody you so traumatized by Kevin Spacey, send him naked pictures of himself? I think the larger point for me in all of this is that Kevin Spacey appears to have a bunch

of skeletons in his closet. And I feel like the more he talks, the more I learn. And the more I learn more about him, the more I dislike him. And the more I don't want to buy a movie ticket ever. see him again. I think that's the reality here with this guy is that from the very beginning, and you talked about this in your interview very early on, was that his whole rollout when he was first accused by Anthony Rapp, which of course that got resolved and, you know, his innocence was proven, I believe, in court. The way he responded to that and then what came after it,

I mean, these are countless allegations. Some of them have been- But Anthony Rapp's a good example. Anthony Rapp is a good example, hang on, Ernest, hang on, Anthony Rapp is a good example because it was that, that, that, which ignited the firestorm against Kevin Spacey. That claim then went to court. It was examined through proper due process. And at the end of it, Kevin Space was found not only not guilty. His supposed victim was told to pay Kevin Spacey $40,000 in damages.

Yes. Right. So no one believed it. And John Barrowman happened to be there at the time and said it never happened. Right. You said this interview. I hear that. What I'm saying to you is that when you made the conflation with Will Smith,

and him, and I want to make this point earlier, is one thing when a person has an isolated incident or a controversy and they do one big bad thing or they have this one big blow up. But the issue with Kevin Spacey is that the more and more we hear about him, there's more things coming up. And then he's admitting to things that we don't know who or what and who involves. But I think that all of these different things is what put a dark cloud on him, and he's not helping himself.

And I just feel like interview. It is the public perception. and, you know, like, nobody's legally. Please don't talk, go and reach up. Let me bring in critical drinking. Yeah, it is the case of public perception here. Nobody is legally preventing him from making movies.

He's not in prison. He's not prevented from doing anything. It's just that people don't want to work with him because of these accusations that have come out and partly by his own admission, he's indulged in very inappropriate behavior. And I can, I don't blame people for not wanting to be part of film projects

with Kevin Spacey and though. But there are a lot of, of Hollywood stars that I could mention who have a lot of stuff in their back catalogue and seem to be fine carrying on with their careers. So again, it comes back to the... Hang on, Ernest. Ernest, hang on, let other people talk.

So my point, critical drinker, is there's a lot of hypocrisy, a lot of, not just double standards, just weird, different standards applied to people. I mean, potentially, I mean, I don't know the details of the Hollywood stars that you're referring to. so I can't comment on each one individually or anything. Well, pretty much, take the other 30 members

that The Drotic was talking about as the best actors of our generation. A lot of them would have stuff that would be deemed as bad, if not worse, than Spacey. I think the key here, though, is risk assessment. So these companies that are choosing to work with these actors or not work with them have taken a calculated risk assessment, and I'm thinking this man was just on Pierce-Morgan show talking about the fact that he was an Epstein's plane

and that at the very least, by being accused by dozens of people, there's an indication of some form of sexual impropriety, not necessarily criminal because he's been acquitted or not found guilty, but some degree of sexual impropriety. And they're just thinking the risk is too high. All right, let me bring in the drollic. I mean, it's interesting to me that Will Smith is back. Is he back?

I mean, does just having a massive box office hit basically put everything with him to one side? I think so. I think with considering his crime, which Drinker talked about was a slap at the Oscars and it was the slap hurt around the world and Jada didn't make anything any better

and he didn't apologize to Chris Rock publicly but one hit movie can do it and it's a self-aware movie I've seen it it's good Will Smith get slapped multiple times in a scene like they leaned into it and if you do something like that yeah we're a pretty forgiving public

when it comes to that Okay, and I saw Jerry, on a separate point about that movie, Jerry Bruchheimer, who's the producer, who also produced Top Gun Maverick and so many great blockbusters, he said at the weekend, when he saw the box office numbers, if you make something the audience wants to see, they're going to see it. It's that simple. If it works for them, they'll line up. I wish we all knew what that was. We all have hits every time, and then we don't.

Great chance of the word hit that. You know, I've been on about this for a while about old-fashioned blockbusters. that I like them. I want to see more of them. I think too much of the Hollywood Fair have been dished out has been alienating to a bigger audience. Am I right?

They've tried so hard to push over the past five, ten years. It's very clearly not working at this point. And I think there's now starting to, we're starting to see this pivot back to more, I guess, traditional storytelling and traditional movies. And I think action movies like Bad Boys

for our part. of that swing. It doesn't do anything revolutionary. It doesn't subvert our expectations as an audience and it doesn't redefine the genre. So what? I don't need it to. I just need an action movie with things that explode and people looking cool. And that's what we get in a movie like this. It's not that hard to please your audience. But man, Hollywood make it really difficult for themselves. Can I just add that Will Smith's re-acceptance into Hollywood is because his fall from grace wasn't that bad. Yes, he slapped Chris Rock. But I think his bigger crime is marrying a disloyal witch in Jada Smith.

And by the way, every man has made a mistake in romance. All he needs to do is divorce her and get with Magorobi. I wrote a column at the time defending Will Smith because if my wife had alopecia and had lost all her hair and was feeling very sensitive and raw about it and some smart-ass comedian at the Oscars

in front of billions of people ripped into her about it, mocking her for that. And I can see she was upset. I'd be straight up there and giving him a slap too. What if she slept with us? son's friend. Why isn't Jayden herself?

What if she slept with your son's friend? Would you be as willing to... Well, you don't know that's true, no, she did. She admitted it. She admitted with sleeping

with Jaden's friend. And weren't they separated at the time as well? I'm sure they were separated. That's not irrelevant. She's a disloyal witch. It is irrelevant. It is a relevant.

That is still, two things. One, we don't know, again, their entanglement of a marriage is what they have and that's between them. That's irrelevant to the fact.

that at the end of the day, that's Will's choice. He still chose to be her husband. Which is pathetic. But also he's Will Smith. He doesn't need to do it. His whole conversation is pointless. He assaulted a man. He assaulted a man.

There's no excuse for that ever. There's no excuse for violence ever. He slapped a guy. Who cares? Who cares why? He should never have done that. Really? Yeah, of course.

You wouldn't defend your man? James? I wouldn't defend my man. I don't think. So if you had a man you loved. I would never. spouse or a boyfriend who had alopecia, lost all their hair,

was very sensitive about it, and some guy mocks him, you'd be straight up there, slapping away for England. Never dare. I'd slap you right now, but that's it. Listen, you do not slap someone if you're upset.

Go to therapy. I can't believe I'm saying that again today. But you work through your pain. You don't hit someone. That's such an American thing. I'm afraid of that. You definitely do. And all this nonsense.

If I could. All right, don't all talk over each other. Let me ask critical drink of this. The other thing I miss about movies are bonk-busters, the love scenes, which have disappeared. Big piece of the Sun newspaper over here today showing us all the memorable love scenes in Hollywood history. And it's now all stopped. And if there are already, they're tightly controlled by intimacy coordinators, which is about the most awful phrase in history. Are we basically, through a sort of weird...

weird puritanical purge. Are we losing the love scene from Hollywood? And is that something which benefits society or diminishes us? There's two angles to this. There is one, the observation that a lot of the love scenes that you see in movies are kind of super superfluous to the plot. And they are there to provide the audience with a bit of T and 8. And there's also the understanding that, you know, particularly if it's an action movie,

it's going to be a predominantly male audience. and they are going to appreciate that kind of thing. I mean, James Bond. James Bond is not even allowed to seduce Bond girls anymore. He's not allowed to go near them. Literally. I mean, it's ridiculous. He's James Bond.

There's something to be said for the sexual chemistry of just having two attracted to people on screen who are attracted to each other. And the tension that comes with that. No, and that's the problem. Now you get this weirdly chaste, asexual, sterile kind of relationship on screen. where you just don't get anything to grab up with.

Guys, just watch porn. It's not the same. It's not the same. Acting in porn is so bad. It's so fake. And they're like, ding-dong, the handyman's at the door. I need some more like acting chalk.

I had a great friend. We're talking to James Bond. We're talking to James Bond about scenes. This is the crazy. Well, I was to say, I had a great conversation with Roger Moore, who was one of the great bonds. And I said, you know, what do you do about the love scenes?

And he said, well, peers, you said, I would always have the same conversation with the Bond girls. before we started the love scene filming, I would say to him, I would like to apologize in advance if I get too excited. And then he paused and he said,

and then I would add, and I would also like to apologize if I don't. Exactly. I mean, Roger Burrough is one of the best. That is horrifying. That's horrible. That is horrifying. Think about that for a moment.

James Barr finds it horrifying. Well, I know we find it horrifying because a man might find women are trying. There needs to be some consent. There should be some consent. There's hope you can't control how a man feels about attractive woman. You don't give your lower abdominal region consent to find someone attractive. I just, I just horrify.

Somebody being excited by a beautiful woman is horrifying, according to trade power. Pierre, you're working next to Esther right now and you're not getting excited or apologising for potentially being excited. Let's move on. Let's move on. week that a maximum age range for men is 42. I'm 28. I can't go higher than that. Sadly, I am way beyond the bar. Let me bring in the Droni. I want to talk to you about Star Wars.

And this suggested they may have lost the plot. This was the director of lead actors, apparently, of both lesbians. And this was an interview with the director. You both, because this is, I would say, arguably, the gayest Star Wars. by a considerable margin. And are you excited about that? Are you racing yourself? Was this the fun element of...

No, I don't think so. And yet people have told me that it's the gayest Star Wars, and I frankly... You're offended? Into it. No. I think that Star Wars is so gay already.

Okay. I mean, have you seen the fifth? So my first question, Adjolet, what do they mean by the gayest Star Wars? Do they actually mean gay, homosexual, given they're both lesbians, or do they mean gay,

which apparently is an internet trend, a meme thing of kind of, it's all gone a bit woki. What do they mean? Yes. The question, the answer is yes to both questions after watching the first three episodes

of the acolyte where two women conceive twins without a man in an all-female matriarchal society where the force is now turned into a threat. and it's not the force. Yeah, I wouldn't argue with anything they said in that interview that it's been gay and it's been turned gay. It's not Star Wars, a male brand that everybody could enjoy

turned into a female brand that nobody can enjoy at this point. Nobody's watching. The ratings are crater. It's the highest rating Disney Plus show of the year. What are you talking? It's had more views than Pierce Morgan's interview. It had more views than Pierce Morgan's interview with Kevin Spacey. So what are you talking about?

That's been out for 14 hours. It's their highest rate of streaming show of the year so far. But it didn't have more views than Drinkers' two videos on the subject. Right. On that one day. Can I just say these, these, these, these, the accolite is anti-entertainment. Like Hollywood were from the, the goal is talking about, anti-entertainment. They want to do everything to not entertain you.

It's incredible. It's also just insane to say that like a different planet can't have lesbians. Like, what are you talking about? What are the rules of aliens? You could have lit, man. You can have all. lesbians you want, but if you try to pretend, like, the foundation of the whole Star Wars universe has to be based around lesbian sex, like, why?

It's always been gay, like men with their lightsabers, flashing around C3P. Oh, no, she didn't. Don't be ridiculous. It's the gayish. Only your twisted scene. This is so calm. This is a ridiculous, like Darth Vader's chic sense of style. Come on.

This is just toxic man babies who don't want to share their toys. That's what this is. They're whining. They're mad. Every ring it. It still rules the box office and doesn't want to see this crap. So I'm fine with Disney. Keep making your lesbian interpretive dinner theater.

I think it's hilarious at this point. Honest, are you into lesbian and temperative dinner theater? I just think it's always the trend, right? If there's more women, if there's more queer people, if there's more people of color, there's always a whine from men like them that are going to always complain if they are not the center of attention. Boo-hoo-hoo.

You have the rest of the road. If what we make is good, we'll support it. But like, if you make absolute garbage, we're not going to. Yeah. I watch bad boys. A couple of black guys running around solving crimes and stuff. Yes, you're one. You're one.

Oh, okay. All right. So I like the expanse. You know, the expansion of the universe. Him another one. The expands. I just named one. I dare you.

Straight out of Compton. I love that movie. But listen, I like bad boys. That doesn't mean I can't also enjoy lesbians. be in dinner theater in your words. Like, why can't we enjoy both of those things? Why is it just so true when it happens to tell you what?

Can you name one woke movie that's ever worked? Who are you asking your question to? Any of you? Oh, God. Do you not talk about Bobby. I don't have the energy to get angry about this. Black Panther wasn't a woke movie.

It was a brilliant movie. No. Bobby was an anomaly and an abomination. Black Panthers is a superhero created by two Jewish men and they interpreted it properly. Yeah, exactly right. Because it's not a black person, that's why you don't think it's woke. And Barbie

was an atrocity. It was interpreted properly. Do you have trouble hearing down there? Barbie only were because a lot of women went out to thoroughly enjoy men being bashed. Top Gun was pretty worth. The remake you know the only one who got on the

Oscar stage out of Barbie? Ken. Remember that? Only one. And we can have the last laugh. It's so embarrassing. Like, I mean, if I had time to sit on the internet and Google woke movies that were a success, then I would hit you with probably. You can't think of it. You would find nothing.

Can you think of it? I'm not a film critic, so I don't have them ready to go. So the answer is you can't think of it. We just named two. You just don't like the answer. Huh? I said, I named one. You just don't like the answer.

Barbie. I agree. Barbie is the only one I can think of in modern times where. I'll name one for you. I'll help you out. Captain Marvel. That was a woke movie. It was intersectional feminism and it made a billion dollars. Yeah, okay. Works once in a while.

So occasionally they get it right or they get it wrong, but still get it right. Most of the time they get it wrong and it fails a busy. It moved towards having a much more diverse cast than the previous top guns. So there's definitely room for a successful. How is this having like some diverse cast make it woke? I don't understand females in the cockpit, which was definitely different. How is that woke, though?

How's that wall? Because it's the... So it's not as accurate. It's accurate. It's accurate. And when the first top gun came out, by the way, there probably weren't... But that's what woke is about.

And now they're up. That's not what the origin for the world come from. But in this conversation... I'll give an example of woke is when Disney tried to do snow white and the seven doors with no doors. But that's not... At that point, when you see a six foot...

When you see one of the doors is six foot four inches tall, you think, sorry, this is what I mean. It is woke. They are trying to make sure that they do not play into stereotypes. That's what this is about. What's there? Snow Wine and the Southern Genderless Widgets.

I also think that... Let me end by one question. I want to wrap things up. What's the stereotype race? Everyone answered very quickly. I want a yes or no. In a year's time, will Kevin Spacey be back in a big movie? Let me start with you, Critical Drinker?

No. Okay. You might deserve to, potentially, but so... Is there any way that you think he will or not? The Dundrotic? No. No. Okay.

Esther? Nope. James? Only if he makes it a Kevin safe spacey for the rest of the country. Oh my God. You're a comedian? Ernest? Will he or not?

Absolutely not. Okay. I will bet you now that Kevin Spacey is back in a movie within a calendar year. We will regroup on uncensored in a year's time. Maybe a play. The same group. No, no. A one-line play.

He will be in a movie. Anyway, we'll see. I'm normally right about these things. My parents, as always, brilliant. Thank you very much. He was in a movie on Channel 4 recently. Thank you, Pierce. He knows something we don't know. Here's no something we don't know. Here's no something we don't know.

He got the exclusive ready. All right, guys, thank you very much.