Piers Morgan Uncensored - Megyn Kelly: End Game For Biden?

Episode Date: July 3, 2024

President Biden is getting the Trump treatment. And a brutal lesson in what happens when the full force of the media trains its crosshairs on your mistakes, your mishaps and your misinformation. First the president’s aides blamed a “cold” for his disastrous performance in last week’s debate. Now the president himself says it was jet lag. The problem is that everybody knows the president returned from international travel a fortnight before the debate and spent almost a week at Camp David to prepare. Biden says it’s “not an excuse, just an explanation.” In fact it’s neither. It’s a lie. And the many people who’ve defended him blindly for years - reasoning that nothing could be worse than another Trump presidency - now feel they are being taken for fools. Last night the White House Press Secretary was forced to deny that the president has dementia. Will that turn out to be a lie? Megyn Kelly, Journalist & Host of The Megyn Kelly Show joins to discuss Followed by a panel: Co-host of The Verdict with Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson Dave Rubin, creator of The Rubin Report And liberal talk radio host, the former Democratic Congressman Anthony Weiner Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

These are two deeply unpopular old dudes who both make more gaps than you can imagine. It's just not true. Wait, wait, wait, wait. A panel of four media people who all have said that both these guys are too old and shouldn't run. I've been talking about this. I never said that. I never said that. I've never said that.

I've never said it. Settle down. Why would we not want a guy that's up in every swing state in America? You're insane. You don't know what you're talking about. President Biden is getting the Trump treatment and a brutal lesson in what happened. when the full force of the media trains its crosshairs on your mistakes, your mishaps and your misinformation.

First, the President's a cold for his disastrous performance in last week's debate. Now, the President himself blamed jet lag. The problem is that everyone knows the President returned from international travel a fortnight before the debate and spent almost a week at Camp David to prepare. There's no jet lag involved. Biden says it's not an excuse, just an explanation.

But it's not. is it? It's a lie. And the many people you've defended him blindly for years, reasoning that nothing could be worse than another Trump presidency, now I feel they're being taken for fools. Last night, the White House press secretary is forced to deny that the president has dementia. I'm going to ask something delicate, and you may not like it. The president may not like to hear it if he's watching, but I think the American people need to get a yes or no answer on this. Does President Biden, that 81 years old have Alzheimer's, any form of dementia or degenerative illness that cause these sorts of lapses? And it's a yes or no question. And if you don't know, why don't you,

as one of his senior staff members know? I have an answer for you. Are you ready for it? It's a no. And I hope you're asking the other guy, the same exact question. Now, will that turn out to be a lie as well? I fear it will. I think President Biden, does have a form of early-onset dementia, as many people in the medical world think he does. But the very fact, the question has to be asked about the current President of the United States is quite extraordinary and, frankly, dangerous. Today, Biden's meeting with top Democrat lawmakers in the attempt to shore up his position. But the dominoes will begin to fall fast.

A group of House Democrats is calling for him to quit the race. Liberal-leaning media, including the New York Times, have opened the floodgates on commentary, which demands he step aside. even Nancy Pelosi is asking, well, tricky questions. So we have all these things that he was masterful in helping to orchest, to write, and to pass. So he has a vision, he has knowledge, he has judgment, he has a strategic thinking and the rest, he has a bad night. Now, again, I think it's a legitimate question to say, is this an episode or is this a condition? It's obviously a condition.

And there's another reason why the Democrats are turning on him. He's losing. A new CNN poll shows that 75% of Americans think Democrats have a better shot at returning the presidency without Joe Biden. They live in fear of a second Trump presidency emboldened as they see it by king-like superimmunity just awarded by the Supreme Court. But the election cycle was supposed to be all about Trump. The felon is really about Biden the fallen. And honestly, dumping Joe Biden is the defendant. Democrats' best bet of competing with Trump in November?

Well, I'm joined by Megan Kelly, journalists and host of the Megan Kelly show on SiriusXM, YouTube, and, of course, there's a podcast. Megan, great to have you back on Uncensored. Can you quite believe the events of the last few days? No. I have never seen anything like it in all my time covering politics or being in the news.

And I said after that debate on Thursday night, he's done. His candidacy ended tonight. And I stand by that. At this point, Pierce, he's like the deer that got hit in a catastrophic road accident that has a few extra steps in him as he runs off to die on the side of the road. And I don't mean literally die in Biden's case, but his candidacy is dead. Whether he knows it or not, he's just doing those last final steps. Bit by bit, the Democrats are turning on him, the congressional leaders, the donors, the

governors, everyone's requiring reassurance. The dam is already breaking with some top Democrats coming out openly saying he's got to get out. Kamel Harris just passed him in the betting odds as the person most likely to be the Democratic nominee. You can feel the tide

shifting and it's irreversible. We're into uncharted territory here. I say we, you and I. We've not had in our adult time an American president who's been effectively toppled through an incapacity to fulfill the job.

It is uncharted. We've never seen anything like it, as I say, in our lifetime. Give me a sort of guide to how you think the next five months play out. I mean, who are they going to go for? If Carmilla Harris says it's got to be her, is there any mechanism for it not to be her? I think they've really painted themselves into a corner, the Democrats, with their obsession over identity politics.

They had to have a woman, they had to have a black woman, James Clyburn saved Joe Biden and gave him the presidency, or at least his candidacy, last time around, by saying, I can get you South Carolina, but we need a black woman as your VP, and that's what Biden did. So he's stuck with her. And now for this party, which lives and dies by its identity politics, to try to step over, said black female, good luck. They're talking now about creating some sort of a ticket that might have those same attributes, but in two different people. You know, maybe a Raphael Warnock, senator from Georgia as the VP, he's black, with Gretchen Whitmer, a white woman at the top of the ticket. So we can cobble together some identity politics that are super close to Kamala, but not exactly Kamala. Well, who's the Asian? Because she's half Asian too. This is how they operate. So they're stuck with it. I think, you know, the only thing it makes sense to me at this point is for them to have a discussion amongst themselves, the most senior party leaders.

Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Hakeem Jeffries, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, and come up with a format that would allow maybe four of them to throw their hat into the ring because they don't want Kamala. No one wants Kamala. I mean, Clyburn wants her still, but he doesn't control this decision now. So, and I think the Democratic Party really wants to win, and they know that Trump will beat her. He will beat her, but he might not beat one of those others. So, you know, her poll numbers are moving up against Trump. We just saw a poll today, but she's two unlikable peers. When she gets out on the campaign trail as the lead, she's going to get pummeled. And let's not forget, let's be honest, the United States has never had a female president.

And it's the first one is not going to be Kamala Harris. So I think they'll probably come together to settle on, let's say, three or four top candidates. She'll be one of them. And they'll say, let our party make its decision over the next four weeks and going into the convention. And they'll do it the way they used to do it before 68, decided the convention who the nominee will be. Who do you think would be the biggest threat to Trump? Well, it's tough to say. They're eyeballing this Illinois governor, J.B. Pritzker,

and I think he's a no. First of all, he's extremely obese. I'm sorry, but that doesn't play well in politics. And I'm just saying it like it is. That's true. Chris Christie. Plus, he's extremely radical on the trans stuff. His whole family has been funding all this trans insanity.

and, you know, the surgeries for the minors and all that. So I think he's not going to make it. I do think Gretchen Whitner is very interesting because she's strong. She's not like Kamala. When you hear her talk, she sounds sensible. She's Midwestern. She's somewhat likable, not to Republicans,

but we're talking about Dems and Independence here. She was a COVID, absolute COVID hawk, which is fine with Democrats. And she's a Michigan governor, which is in a very important swing state, which Joe Biden's now losing. thanks to, among other things, the whole Israel debacle. So she's very interesting.

You'd have to pair her with the right person. I don't know. There are some more moderate candidates out there that they're throwing around, but all of them are white men. They just can't do it. It cannot be a white man in the Democratic Party, period. Raphael Warnock, as I mentioned from Georgia, yes, he's a black man.

He's been in politics for two minutes, and he's the guy who ran over his wife's foot when he was running for this post and if the ex-wife came out, he's got all sorts of baggage with his ex. I don't think they want that, you know, ball of wax. Why bother, right? Like when you have so many other candidates.

So I think the field is rather slim, but I guess if I had to put my money down on somebody, it would be, as they call her, big gretch. I mean, one of the problems they've got is the vetting process is going to be naturally very truncated. Whoever they go for will suddenly be exposed to the massive glare of a media in full throttle assault mode with months to an election.

And there aren't many human beings who could withstand that if they haven't previously been experienced with it, right? I mean, it's a really ferocious forensic examination. Yes, and all of Trump's foibles and most of Bidens have already been baked into the current cake. So you're right. And I forgot to mention Gavin Newsom. Now, he's a far left progressive, and Bill Maher just came out in favor of him.

But he's the most radical Democrat in America. Honestly, his politics may be left of the squads. He would be a hard no for most of those independents. And you can't win the presidency with your own party alone. You've got to persuade a certain amount of the independence to come your way. As soon as they tell independence what Gavin Newsom has done, I don't care how good his hairline is. They're going to say no.

It's not another JFK. This guy is really, he's an AOC squad member kind. So I don't think he'll make it either. But yes, there will be a withering press examination by those on the right. But those on the left peers, and that's most of the media, will run cover for this person, whomever it is. As much as they're beating down on Joe Biden right now, that same press score is going to raise this person up as the second coming,

whoever it is, because it must be there. savior from Trump, and that person will benefit greatly from that ubiquitous boning coverage. I mean, we're assuming Biden is going to be replaced. It's not happened yet. And of course, if he digs his heels in and says, I'm not going anywhere, then it may be they can't do it, you know, under the rules of a Democratic Party. Where does Jill Biden sit in all this, Dr. Biden? Because I watch that debate from start to finish with a mounting sense of real bemusement why any spouse, a younger spouse in particular, would allow their older, beloved other half

to be humiliated like that on a global stage. And she must have known that this was highly likely to happen because from all the reports now coming out as the media finally takes its blinkers off, this is not a one-off. This has been what he's been like quite regularly in the last few months and two years or so. What do you think of Jill Biden's role here in her responsibilities?

I think she's been exposed as a power-hungry, aspirant herself to political power. She is on the cover of Vogue magazine right now. Why? Because she wants to promote herself. She tweeted out a photo of herself sitting in the president's chair not long ago when he was preparing for the G7 meeting with his chair hanging over the back of the chair.

She's not the damn president. Get out of the chair. No one wants you at the G7. No one elected you to lead us politically. And a couple of years ago, I did a bit that went viral on how she insists on being called Dr. Jill Biden everywhere.

And all these left-winger got upset with me. She was, she is a doctor, she's got her PhD, she's in education, what have you. I don't make fun of that degree. My own father had that degree. But my father would never have insisted somebody call him Dr. Kelly. He went by professor, and that was the title he'd earned. Why does she insist on it?

Because she's power hungry. Because she has a small, fractured ego that she needs built up. She needs the affirmation of strangers to give her an honorarium. That really means almost nothing. The only people who get to be called doctor legitimately, I understand, no disparaging of the degree, are medical doctors. If you can't say yes, I will resuscitate him when he has a heart attack on a plane. Stop using that label.

when you get introduced at a book club or on the view, which is what she does, all right? And I do think it's tied to what we're seeing now, the big reveal about her. She's power hungry. She wants it. What did we see from her on debate night? We saw her take the stage and guide the president of the United States down the stairs like a mama would of a toddler, like you and I both did when our kids were babies. And then after the debate, that clip that was everywhere with her saying,

you did it. You answered all the questions. Again, speaking to her the way I speak to my dog when he sits on command. It really was. This is the leader of the free world. She knows how infirm he is. She wants a shadow presidency. And let me tie it to one other thing.

The reports are out this week that Hunter Biden, Hunter Biden. I know. This is incredible. He's advising him. is at the White House and attending all the meetings with the president. Of course. As what? Our new shadow president?

Right, exactly. Because Joe Biden can't do it. And so on deck is the drug-addled corrupt felon son? Hard. No. This whole family needs to be bounced out of this office. And I think even the Democrats are starting to realize it. Do you know what's incredible, Megan, is that since that debate,

You know the person we barely heard from or been talking about is the one person everyone assumed we'd be talking about 24-7, Donald Trump. And when do you think about the trajectory here, a year ago, I was interviewing Ron DeSantis down at the governor mansion in Tallahassee in Florida because he was the one flying high. He was the one who was the golden boy of the Republican Party. Trump was dead and buried. It was all over.

And it was around that time a little bit earlier, of February March of last year. It was around that time that they started all the legal efforts to go after Trump. And from that moment, two things happened. Poor old Ronda Santis got completely sidelined. And the Trump train, which was on the sidings,

tipped up on its side, thinking, that's it, suddenly got put back on the tracks, and is now steaming ahead, almost inevitably back to the White House. I've never seen a reversal in fortunes quite like what's happened to Trump or a bigger self-inflicted

wound by an opposition party than the one they did to themselves by deciding that they couldn't beat him at the ballot box so they were going to destroy him legally and try and put him in jail. As a lawyer yourself, it's been a spectacular act of self-harm,

isn't it? All great points. The two huge acts of self-harm, the lawfare against Trump and the agreement to do this debate. Yeah. It wasn't necessary. He easily could have said, we don't debate convicted felons. He didn't do the debates in the primaries, and we're not debating him.

It would be beneath the office of the presidency to participate in any platforming of that man. And his entire base, and probably most independents, would have said, yeah, well, we expected it. They didn't have to do it. They actually thought he could get out there. Do you remember Joe Biden out there a couple months ago? Make my day, pal. Yes. He released a video challenging Trump to.

to do this debate, make my day. I hear you free on Wednesdays, because he was in the midst of that New York trial when they had Wednesdays off. The brashness, you know, the attempt to be the new John Wayne out there, like, I'll see you at the corral, a little sucker. You know, as long as it's between the hours of 11 and 4,

which is the only hours that he works, according to the papers. So he gets out there and completely falls apart another self-inflicted wound after he, you know, it's like he had jumped off the building and somehow he managed to shoot himself on the way down. That's really what he did. The lawfare against Trump has been a spectacular failure.

My God, it's been amazing to watch Trump pull the inside straight on it. Not only did the American people revolt when this tactic was unleashed for the first time in our history. They know who we are. They know we're not a banana republic that we don't settle our political disputes like this. So they revolted, and Trump's numbers went through the roof with Republicans. But bit by bit, they have shown they either don't care about the charges against him, like in the Stormy Daniels, hush money documentation thing in New York,

or they just, they're over it. They care about January 6th, but they're over it. They've had an impeachment hearing on that. They've had the January 6th hearings on that. Their judgment has been settled already, pronounced already. We don't need a federal trial on it. So that one just died, thanks to the U.S. Supreme Court. It's all but dead.

It's limping, but it's dead. The Mar-a-Lago case will go forward unless Trump wins, and then he can just pull the DOJ off of it. He'll be the president. He gets to just say, stop. The New York case is over, but for sentencing, which it's not going to be severe. If there's a jail sentence, it will be suspended.

Trump's not going to serve any time in jail, none at all. And the Atlanta case got stopped, thanks to Fannie Willis, hopping in the sack, where their co-counsel, getting out there playing the race card saying, we were all racist for pointing out what a conflict of interest this was. That's going up on appeal now. All proceedings have been stopped. He did it.

appears. He did it. And while Joe Biden is out there on a stump speech right now saying, when you get knocked down, you get back up. That's Trump's story. That's not Joe Biden's story. And again, the American people know it. And it reminded me a bit of Mike Tyson's famous quote. You know, everyone's got a plan until they get punched in the face. I think Biden and his team spent a week at Camp David meticulously planning answers to every question. But the one thing they forgot was it was past his bedtime, and he was incapable of articulating any comprehensible response to almost anything. And Trump didn't even have to physically punch him in the face or metaphorically punch him in the face. He just had to stand there and throw him

looks of bemusement. And at one stage, something I've never seen, a look of almost concern for this elderly guy, right, just dying on stage. So Trump, if you look back at his history, when his enemies hurt themselves, he actually has a good history of being quiet and just letting them twist in the wind. We saw him do it on the debate stage the other night with Joe Biden and he continues to remain quiet. And to your point, a minute ago, if you look to Twitter the night of the debate for the first time in history after Donald Trump makes a public appearance, he was not trending on Twitter. It was all Joe Biden and the Democrat reaction. So he's being very disciplined right now, like the monkey, you know, like, can't hear anything, can't see anything, can't say

anything, just let it play out. But it also shows me that if Trump does get re-elected, it seems increasingly likely, I suspect we will see a slightly revised version. I think he learned a lot in those four years. And the thing about Trump is he loves having, as you know, better than anybody, he loves having, you know, public dust-ups of people. It's part of his DNA. But he also likes to be popular.

He likes to be liked. And it wouldn't surprise me at all. if Trump, President Mark 2, pivots into a slightly more unifying character, because by then he would know that he had a chance again, which was taken from him, to potentially build a legacy. It would surprise me. I don't think he's going to... I don't think he will.

I'm not being woefully naive here, Megan. Because you know what's going to happen, Pierce, if he wins, and I agree it's looking more and more likely, even if the Democrats pull this rabbit out of the hat, he is going to be impeached almost immediately. The lawfare will somehow try to continue. We've already, we've reported this first on our show, and now you're seeing the mainstream media come along to it.

The lawfare will continue even post his victory pre his swearing in. This Justice Department has plans to put him on trial if they can, between November and January 20th, when he would be sworn in. They don't care. And so that just shows you how rabid they are for him. And then the press will unleash on him even more viciously than they did the last time around because now he's got nothing left to lose. He doesn't, he can't run for re-election. So he's going to be fighting in another impeachment battle, more lawfare, and a press

that really sees him as an existential threat. I'm worried about the assassins, frankly. I really am because people are so incensed over him. And we had a dissent in a Supreme Court decision yesterday saying that presidents do have immunity for most of their official acts, literally calling him treasonists, calling him a traitor. That's how hot. the oven is around Trump right now. So I don't think he will be more uniting because I think he's going to be angry again. And he's a fighter.

And they're going to be throwing the blows at him like never before. Well, you know, in his book, The Art of the Deal, he says if someone hits you, you've got to hit him 10 times back. So if your prognosis for what's going to happen to him is correct, then it could all get very ugly, very quickly. Megan, we've run out of time. I can always talk to you for longer. Thank you so much for joining me.

Your podcast continues to be one of the, one of the biggest in America. I love it and I can't wait to be back on it. So thanks for coming on a sensor. Anytime. Thank you. Join me now to discuss all this is the co-host of the Verdi. Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson, Dave Rubin, credit of the Rubin Report and Liberal Talk Radio host

the former Democratic Congressman Anthony Weena. Welcome to all of you, a stellar panel indeed. Let me start with you, Ben Ferguson. How happy are you right now about the way the Democrats appear to be self- imploding on a biblical scale? Not at all. I was watching the debate

and I was yelling at the TV three minutes in. Please get better, Joe Biden. I've never rooted for him more in my entire life because I knew this was what was going to happen and they were going to probably try to replace him if he didn't get the ship back going in the right direction very quickly. This was a disaster.

It wasn't even a debate about who won or lost the debate afterwards. It was, this is a senile old man that clearly is incapable of doing this job. job and everybody in the world saw it, including our adversaries, but I wanted him to do better than this. I just wanted Trump to have a victory that night. I didn't want it to be this. And now you've got this civil war going on. But look, I wanted Joe Biden to be the candidate because that's who the American people voted for. I wanted them to have a big grand debate. And unfortunately, he's incapacitated. And so now you've got all this happening, but we don't even

know who we're running against right now. And that's not good if you're a Republican. Anthony Wiener, first of all, what were your thoughts watching that debate? Your honest thoughts? I was bad for Joe Biden. Terminally bad in terms of his political career? I don't know he's going to die from it, but... No, I mean, in terms of his career? Look, I mean, it was definitely not good.

I mean, you had two old guys in this race that are both banged up pretty badly, but we've seen this race before. The American people have voted in this exact race before, a lot of bad things happen to Donald Trump. It's not good, man. It ain't good. But this is the race. But you're suggesting that Biden carries on? I don't really, look, it's all conjecture.

It's really hard to convince. Joe Biden has to decide he doesn't want to do it. Presidents generally don't decide who are within one or two points. Generally don't decide they're not going to do it. I don't see it. I'd probably say 95% it's Biden. 5% it's Harris, but this is probably the race. Really?

I mean, I find that extraordinary. I mean, there is precedent. It's not. You've had two... It's not, though. You've had two Democrat presidents, incumbents, since World War II, Johnson and Truman, both of whom, after conversations with the party grantees,

have decided to step down. Those conversations, Anthony, must be happening, surely, with Biden. Conversations, sure, but it comes comes out to the one person, this guy is our nominee at this point. All but if all but, look, he'd have to, he'd have to decide. Like those two guys had to decide as much earlier in those cases, and both of those guys were in danger of losing primaries.

It's almost doesn't really matter what we speculate. It's most likely going to be Biden and Trump. We can engage in the parlor game of who might fill in if Donald Trump can't continue. You know, about the same number of people don't want Donald Trump to continue as don't want Joe Biden. These are two deeply unpopular old dudes who both make more gaffes than you can imagine. But this is the race. And the last time Biden kicked his ass, I anticipated it would be the same. First off, with all due respect, Anthony, this debate had absolutely nothing to do with Donald Trump.

Donald Trump actually put on, I think, probably his best debate performance ever. He was controlled. He was measured. He had total mastery of the issues. His answer on abortion was probably the single clearest thing I have ever heard him say on the topic and gave a little bit to everybody on that, which is what you have to do as a president. But that has nothing to do with the disaster that we saw on Thursday. What we saw on Thursday was a feeble old man who is not fit to be assistant manager at McDonald's.

And I don't mean to throw any assistant managers at McDonald's over the, under the bus, because that's a tough job. But the man should not be president. We all know it. And by the way, Pierce, we've all know. even since he was sworn in, the media in the last couple of days, we are watching them rewrite the narrative in real time. You know what, Dave?

On that point, Dave, I've actually, I do weekly columns for New York Post, and I went back and checked them since Biden got reelected. And I have written, I don't know, must be six or seven columns in that period to date about Biden and how I do not believe he's physically and mentally fit for the highest office of the land. And honestly, I'm also saying,

To your credit, I don't consider you part of the mainstream media. Well, I'm not saying that to look like something I'm going to say about you. I'm just saying that I was writing this as were many other people, but there was a huge conspiracy of silence from the mainstream media. And we now know, because now the gloves have come off, now the blinkers have come off, now they understand from that debate that Biden is basically, you know, self- imploding in terms of his competence to physically and mentally do the job.

And now they're saying, well, a lot of journalists have known about this for a while. That, to me, is a real abrogation. of duty by the journalists. Look, the journalists lied to the American people. They were around him. They saw it. They knew it. The only thing that changed, Pierce, is that the media got their marching orders

from the Democratic leadership, including Nancy Pelosi, who went out there and threw Joe Biden under the bus yesterday. And they're like, okay, now we need you to turn on them because we're afraid we're going to lose our access to power and our radical agenda to Donald Trump. And so it was in their best interest.

No one was being a journalist of the White House Press briefing yesterday. I want to be clear about that. I give them zero credit, even though they were actually doing what journalists should do with their questioning for the first time ever at the White House press briefing of this president about his competency. They did it for selfish reasons because the Democratic Party is afraid they're going to lose. The media is afraid they're going to lose. And so they did it in their own self-interest to contain this disaster and try to keep power. I also think this line though that Anthony used a minute ago and he kind of halfway did it.

I did it so I give him a little bit of credit for this. This idea that you're going to convince the American people that Joe Biden and Donald Trump are the same and are just as senile and old is laughable. They're trying it on TV. They're trying it to me. Well, they're both old. They're both senile.

The White House Presby Interior yesterday, you should be asking the same cognitive questions or the other guy. Like, it's a joke that two men are not the same. Well, actually, you know, I would ask, and one is not. Well, I would go back to Anthony. Because you and I've known you a long time

from when I was at CNN. I've been in rooms with you and Trump, and I honestly watched him at that debate, and I saw a guy who looked and sounded and behaved exactly like the guy I've known since 2007. I mean, there's not much different. So this idea there's been a dramatic market slowing down a Trump or a cognitive decline or any of those things,

I'm just not buying it. And nor I don't think are the people who have to vote because I'll come back to you and see with one question and I'll phrase it slightly differently. Not is Biden going to be the guy going forward, But in your estimation, as a Democrat, should he be? First of all, I just love a panel of four media people who all have said that both these guys are too old and shouldn't run,

but the media is covering this up. Everyone's been talking about this stuff. I never said Trump shouldn't run. I've never said it. Settle down. I'm in the middle of talking. I think Anthony's got his fishing rod out there, lads. Be careful.

He's sitting. Settle down like media. Oh, the media is still. By the way, that's a Trump technique. The Trump technique is to go peers. as you know, and then say something outrageous, which you don't know. We're all media. All right.

Well, I mean, I don't know if you guys. Tell on it. We're all media people. We're all talking about this. The idea that no one's been talking about Joe Biden's age is kind of insane. Fox News is the biggest media. I don't know what's going on over there in England, but here Fox News is the biggest media organ on earth as far as we're concerned. And they're all over this every single day.

So settle down with this. Like, well, we know we didn't know. Look, both these guys are. Well, so you're admitting Fox News has been right the entire time. You had one person in the briefing room asking these questions, Anthony. Everyone else is like... But let me ask Anthony. Anthony, let me repeat that question I asked you,

which is not whether you think Biden will be the nominee going forward, but whether he should be. As a Democrat... Neither one of these guys... I agree with the American people. Neither one of these guys should be the nominee for their party. Pierce... We're not talking about Trump.

I think here's what might be a better show is if you let me answer your question. I think that might make a better show. If what? Then answer the answer question. I have said, and the American people have said over and over again, neither one of these guys should be the nominee. If I'm not asking about Trump.

That's not the question. I know you're not asking about Trump, but I'm making an inclusive answer. I'm going to come to Trump. Just to be clear, I will come to Trump. I promise you. I don't want you to come to anyone. I just want to answer my question. Can I do that for a moment?

Yes, do you think personally, as a Democrat, Biden should be the nominee going forward? I appreciate you letting me answer the question. in good grief. I can't imagine anyone enjoys listening to this. I don't believe that either one of these guys, inclusive of Joe Biden and inclusive of Donald Trump, wants either of these two guys to be their nominees, but they are. We can engage in the Kabuki theater of,

well, if they weren't, would that be great? No, you're not answering my question. I just did. My question is very specific. Let me ask it again. You're a Democrat, given the state of the polls right now, do you think as a Democrat that Biden should be the nominee going forward or should he be replaced? Never mind whether he will be, which is what you think the probability is. Do you think he should be?

I am in concurrence. I am in concurrence with the broad majority of the American people that neither one of these candidates should be the candidates. Why can't you answer the question? He can't answer the question. He can't answer the question because he's a Democrat. I'm going to get a Dave Rubin for me. The Democrat first, so he can't answer a question, honestly, because he's the president with dementia. In my lengthy career as an interviewer, by the way, when people don't answer the question or answer a completely different one, it normally answers the question for you.

It means they don't want to answer it. Dave Rubin, what are you taking from Anthony Wiener's response here to the question? He can't answer the question because he's a Democrat operative more than a journalist or whatever he's purporting to be in that little box. So he knows that the president has dementia or some other seriously significant cognitive decline. We all know it. We've known it for years. It finally has birthed forth because after Thursday night, nobody can deny it, which is why everyone on CNN and Washington Post and New York Times and everything else is freaking out.

But the problem that Anthony Wiener and many, I would say, ballpark sane Democrats have, and there's not many of them left because the far left has completely demolished the party. The problem that they're having is they know they've got a guy with dementia who should not be in office and Kamala is probably worse. Both parties have that same problem, my dude. You are going to have to do tickery beyond imagination. You look at the polls, the same number of Republicans. Why does, why is it, do you think that, that, we, Nikki Haley gets 30% when she hasn't

been on the ballot in four months? Why do you think that is? Hey, hey, let me say this. Let me say this. I'm happy to talk about Donald Trump. You may learn something here. You may learn something. Republicans are happy and shows out of a lot of people running for.

president, our candidate, stop saying we don't like Donald Trump when we love Donald Trump, and he's up in every swing state in America. Why would we not want a guy that's up in every swing state in America? You're insane. You don't know what you're talking about. If you are unfamiliar with the polls that show that Americans are not happy with the choices they have, they have, then I can't help you with that. That is not what the poll says.

Let me try to ask a question on Hughes Morgan's show. This is. This is. Pierce, can I try to be the host. Dave Rubin. Dave Rubin. Anthony, Anthony, let's try it this way. I'll take over the host reins for a sec.

Pears, if you want to get a coffee. I'll be my guest. Anthony, Anthony, who is more competent? Donald Trump or Joe Biden? Well, we've, uh, Joe Biden easily. We, we, look, he's, he's done better. Your guy, your guy's the only president's in food with his lost job. Your guy screwed up.

Look, the American people have already ruled on this, right? They've already ruled on this. They chose Joe Biden easily. Your guy lost net jobs. That was four years ago. Joe Biden can't complete a full sentence, end of quote. Can I tell you this whole idea of asking me a question, then I'll listen to the answer. I can't imagine it's helpful.

All I'm saying, if you frame the question like that, Democrats win. I hope you phrased the question like that. Who are you better off under? Then you're doing much better. Right now, they're focusing on the competency of, of, Joe Biden. As a tactical matter, I want to focus on what I think the American people are going to focus on. Anthony, let me ask you a question. Are you a betting man? Too early for me to drink.

Anthony, are you a betting man? Yeah. Anthony. I'm only a betting man to know that conservatives are going to get their ass kicked in your country, and they're going to get their ass kicked here, too. Well, they're certainly going to get them kicked here. That is without any doubt. But let me ask you, if you are a betting man occasionally, would you accept, say, a $10,000 bet to a charity of your choice that Joe Biden is not to the nominee? in two calendar months. I still believe, I mean, we're returning to the same question.

It's very difficult for him not to be, for a lot of reasons. I'm challenging that view. Honestly, I'm surprised. When you say it's 95% certain that Biden is going to be the nominee. I just think when the mainstream media, which skews heavily liberal, when they turn on a Democrat president as they've turned on him, It looks to me like the dominoes are all just falling now hour by hour, day by day. Let me say something that I think all four of us will agree upon.

We, people who talk about stuff for a living, we love this stuff. This is great. This is a summer, a slow summer. And we're having a ball with it. Who's in, who's out? We have it all the time. We like it. And by the way, this is a reference you won't understand peers, but my friends will.

this is the backup quarterback scenario. Oh, what that means, how dare you? My knowledge of NFL is better than yours. I know.

I know. I'm taking a backup quarterback. Hold on. Wow. I'm taking a run to you. Wow. I was taking a run to you. This is the backup quarterback. Can I just have a thought,

one complete thought here? Don't speak over each other. We can't really hear you do. Anthony, you finish your point. I will. So you say, well, you say, well,

everyone's talking about it, everyone's talking about, I'm trying to tell you from my knowledge of the system. And the fact that it comes down to a grand total of one human being who has to say, I, the guy that beat him last time, who's only trailing by a couple of points despite all the maelstrom, I'm going to drop out and then turn the reins over to someone else. It doesn't practically happen. Now, if it, I think it's a 5% chance that it happens. But this is mostly us talking to each other about this stuff and people gossiping about it.

Come on, Anthony. Hang on, when my former employers at CNN turned in the way they've turned since, by the way, the second that debate was over, John King, within seconds of that debate ending, lacerated Biden in a way I have never seen him go after any Democrat politician. Pierce, they're going to get back in line.

Let me just say this quickly. This is a full-fledged effort by the media to get him out. It'll last about seven more days max. And if he's not gone, then they're going to get back in line and they're going to protect him because they have to. That's how the media works. This is not authentic. This is take a run at him.

See if you can get him out quickly. If you can't get him out, the media will, again, lose all of this anger about they were lied to and questioning the cognitive decline and asking if he's had a test or a brain scan. And they'll go right back in line to Joe Biden's the best thing since sliced bread because if they know they're stuck with them, you're going to stick with them. You know what, Ben, the thing is. Can I say, Jessica, can I respond to that point?

Yeah, you can. Yeah, go on. Let me just, let me just suggest that. And this comes up. I was inside for 25 years. Now I talk on the radio. You know, we presume that there are these conspiracies when they're usually just coincidences. I don't believe that there is a great master plan to do anything.

I don't think we are sophisticated enough to have a master plan. The bottom line of this thing is that. I think Democrats are calculated. I'm going to tell you, there are a lot of credit. I understand. I understand it is so important part of the narrative of the modern day Republican Party that there are conspiracies going on. I'm telling you from my experience as I'm giving you credit.

I'm giving you credit. I'm giving you credit. I'm not kidding. Hold on. But I'm giving you legit credit. Democrats know how to do this. You guys are damn good at it. You know how to go when you need to go and when you need to protect.

You're good at it. Take credit for that. There is nothing that's happening right now that's organic. This is genuinely a full court press from Nancy Pelosi to every major member of the media to get rid of Joe Biden. You should see that clearly. That could well be the case. If you let me finish my thought, that could well be the case.

There may be many, many people who in their heart of hearts want to get rid of Joe Biden. But there are practical reasons, everything from how the money flows to we don't have an obvious next choice to the polling for everyone else is not that great. I get people may not, I can tell my phone was blowing up with people like saying, what the hell during that debate? I'm not disputing that. If we're going to have a conversation like adults about what we think is actually going to happen, I is someone who is supposedly the inside of all of this can tell you that there are a lot of reasons

why it will be Joe Biden. That's all I'm saying. I do think your response is very interesting. And you were on the inside. And by the way, you're not entirely wrong. And Dave, I'll come to you on this because the rules stipulate that all the minds. that Joe Biden has raised so far for this election campaign can only go to his vice president.

It cannot go to anybody else. So Kamala Harris is in immediately, by far, the best position, because all that money can only go to her. She's the 5%. Right. Well, look, the Democrats, the Democrats made a deal with the devil, and here we are. Let's not forget, whatever deal they cut

during primary season last time around, when right before Super Tuesday, Everybody from Mayor Pete to Elizabeth Warren to Andrew Yang, et cetera, et cetera, dropped out. Everyone except Tulsi Gabbard, who ironically is the most moderate Dem because she's not even a dem anymore. And had Biden chose her as VP, I think there'd be an awful lot of Democrats going, you know, I can vote for a Democrat because I'll have Tulsi Gabbard. I might vote for a Democrat at that point if it was Tulsi Gabbard. I hope Trump picks her, but that's a different thing altogether.

But what we're seeing now, in relation to your question, is that they are stuck between a man with dementia and a woman who, in effect, has dementia. Her thoughts are basically the same thing, right? The circular logic and the mess in the message. So everyone knows that if you were to push out Joe Biden, you end up with someone that is potentially worse. I would also say I would agree with Ben in that what we're largely watching right now

is the media just figure out how to spin the lies in real time. So I think what happened on Thursday night was everyone saw a corpse up there, a man who could not complete a thought, and every single sentence he said, All you were waiting for was him to be unable to finish it, right? So because it was so bad, they all actually told us the truth Thursday night, and now they're spinning a new narrative.

Now he was on cough medicine or he wasn't feeling well or he didn't sleep enough, even though he didn't work for six days prior. And I think the more that we can just sort of peel back that layer and see what the truth is, then we'll be able to make some positive decisions. But Anthony, let me come back to you. Can I respond to that, Pierce? Let me just, first of all, what happened in 2020, Democrats' choice. chose the moderate on that stage, who then went on to beat Donald Trump. We did that part right. Now we've got an incumbent.

But he hasn't governed as a moderate. He was a puppet. Can I please, first of all, he has. I can't think of a single thing the squad had gotten done in the last four years. But let me just finish my thought. Let me just finish my thought. You might find it interesting. So now we're in a situation where we have an incumbent who's shown one thing that's super

important to Democrats. He can beat Donald Trump. So people are suggesting, well, it's, throw out incumbency, let's throw out the known quantity, let's go for unknown quantities who aren't polling so well either. I'm just saying for practical reasons. He has dementia. The media protecting or not protecting. There are a practice. I don't understand this. This propensity to talk over me is really not helpful. All I can say is that the notion that there's layers and media this and media that there are practical four corner reasons why he's

going to be on the ballot. And we can come back here in October and confirm that. Let me say this. Wait this, I actually think Joe Biden is going to be the nominee, but it's not for any of the reasons that were mentioned. I think Joe Biden has dug in here and Joe Biden has dug in. And Hunter Biden, for example, is now in top meetings at the White House. And I think this is about survival. I also think this is just about the Biden family. Joe Biden desperately needs to stay in the White House as long as possible until his son's legal issues clear up so he can either pardon him or give him clemency.

I actually think this is about the family now more than anything. They're not making decisions based on logic of what's best for the party, what's best for the democratic future, or their ideas. If it was about that, they would hand the reins over to Kamwa Harris. But they're sitting there, and he's got to protect his son from going to prison.

He's going to be selfish. Here's a problem. Hang on, hang on, here's the problem. Here's the problem. Here's a problem. Is it literally within the three or four days we've had since the debate. He's going to places reading Ortecue

where he is reading stuff off the prompter, which is there as a note to him about reading back quotes or whatever. This is a guy who's become a literal walking puppet. And so... I'm very careful. ...the man with dementia who's a crack addict.

Right. I think the whole idea of Hunter Biden being anywhere near this. He's not a literal anything. Learn the language. All right. But he is... You're going to give you beefy about reading off a teleprompter. I saw

Donald Trump complaining about the lousy teleprompters at 90 rallies where he wasn't talking about whether he was going to get eaten my shock for electrician. My point, every day, every day Joe Biden now stays in office and doesn't give up, the focus from the media

collectively is going to be utterly ferocious on every slip-up, every mistake, whatever. Trump's not even going to get air time, right? For seven more days. And that's why I say, I say with absolute certainty that I would be absolutely staggered if by the time we get to the convention, Joe Biden has not resigned.

I'd be staggered. All right, yeah, that's, that's, that's, that's, congratulations. You're doing the conventional wisdom. That's what I come on the show for. He's going to stay. Dave Rubin, who would you fear most on the, on the Democrat side, of all of them, all the names that have been put out there? Well, I think Newsom is the devil in Congress.

and possibly a lizard person, so I would fear him at an existential level for the country. But I do think, if we could give credit to Ron DeSantis for one second, in that debate that they had a couple months ago, he completely demolished him and really exposed him for the fraud that he is. But if the average American wants the entire country to turn into communist California, we could be in a lot of trouble. I don't know what they're going to – look, I will say that the one thing that Anthony has made sense of.

He said a lot of things here is that the machinery right now is set up for Biden to continue. Clearly, he should not continue if you care about America. You know, when Anthony earlier said that we're all happy about this because we're pundits and we get to talk about it, no, I would much prefer that we had a moderate Democrat that we were sold. And even if I disagreed with him on some policies, the country was in a better spot. We are quite literally in the most dangerous spot this country has been in, probably since the Cuban Missile Crisis.

If you're China, why wouldn't you take Taiwan right now? If you're Iran, why wouldn't you say to Hezbollah destroy Israel? because no one in America will believe that the president is the one making the proper responses. So we are at an unbelievably tenuous position right now. As far as who will take over for the Dems, I mean, I don't know how is it. I mean, this is the mechanism of the party, but the Democrat Party is evil. What will they do to get rid of the black female vice president? The DEI people, Putin Kamala Harris, to bring in the rich white guy.

You got to love it. I mean, that's a great soap opera. Okay, listen, we're going to talk about this a lot more. I'd love to have you all back. It's been a great debate. Thank you very much. And Anthony, great to see you with your cocky old swagger back because I was getting worried about you.

You were quite reserved last time I interviewed you, but we've got the old weena back. By the way, I point out I came on in three minutes notice. I know you did. And you've been terrific. You've got the swagger back. I love it. I enjoy it, gentlemen.

Thank you. It was great. Thanks for the debate, guys. Appreciate it.