Piers Morgan Uncensored - Megyn Kelly On Liberty Day, Deportations, Trump, Musk and More

Episode Date: April 4, 2025

President Trump has declared Liberation Day for the United States - and if it’s a trade war, who’s going to take the most casualties? Plus it’s reported Elon Musk’s work with DOGE in the White House may soon come to an end - could MAGA’s brand benefit? Titan of online broadcasting Megyn Kelly joins Piers Morgan for a deep dive on the above and more topics making the news, including the passing of Val Kilmer, Hooters going bankrupt and Kid Rock taking Bill Maher for dinner with Trump... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

European Union, very friendly. They rip us off. It's so pathetic. 39%. We're going to charge them, 20%. So we charge them essentially half. They charge us. We charge them. We charge them less. So how can anybody be upset? They will be because we never charge anybody anything. But now we're going to charge. President Trump declares Liberation Day for the United States. If this is a trade war, well, who's going to take the most casualties? Yes, they're controversial, but they're working. And I think they have the promise to work long term, too. The White House says Elon Musk will finish his work with Doge, but he'll leave as planned in May.

Could Maga's brand benefit? He's been made into a boogeyman instead of a hero, which is deeply wrong and immoral, but it is what it is. Hooters goes bankrupt, does it 40 years. Is that a victory for women or for woke? There's the leftist messaging of, you're shamed as some sort of a pervert. If you want to see saucy girls with the breasts and the shorts, whereas that's totally normal. That should not be, that's how civilization continues. A blistering verdict. As always, on all this and more,

I'm delighted to be joined by the host of the Megan Kelly show on YouTube and Sirius XM. Megan Kelly, Megan, how are you? I'm great, Piers. I just got back from my shift at Hooters, so I'm glad we made the time for each other. Well, it is Liberation Day, after all, as we're talking. Let's talk about this, first of all, because there's no doubt the pace of what Trump has been doing in the last 10 weeks. this is becoming president again, has been absolutely frenetic. Some of it is obvious quick and demonstrable victories,

as in the southern border and what's going on there and the way he's arrested the tide of illegal migrants coming over the border. Stuff like the tariffs is bemusing to many people because they don't see any immediate benefit. What they see is turmoil in the markets. They see the economy beginning to flounder, inflation poking up again. Trump says, be patient.

and the rewards will come, what do you make of it? All of which tells me he really believes in it, because the one thing Trump carefully guarded in his first term was the economy, and he would brag about the stock market at every turn. I mean, that was the one thing he knew he had to keep an order in order to win re-election, and he was fierce about it. And this time he sees the pain that's coming, and he's opening it.

I mean, he's saying, you're going to have some short-term pain. Please stay with me. Just hold tight because long-term this is going to work out for us. And that doesn't surprise me. You know, Trump has a lifetime as a Democrat. He's not really a Republican. He ran his one and they put him in his one. But he's got a lot of Democrat ideals.

He's very friendly with the union and labor groups. And I think this will be somewhat popular with some of these working class guys who feel like all their jobs were shipped overseas. We buy German and Japanese cars, and that's it. We no longer make in America. We allow Germany to sell all of its cars over here. We don't get to sell our cars over there. Japan's same makes it like the regulation is so hard that American cars can't be sold there,

but they're sold everywhere here, and it feels unfair. So it speaks to something that I think Americans already know on a certain base level. And then you look at like the tariffs he's doing on Canada and Mexico, the New York Times, the New York Times, did an in-depth feature on how Trump's tariffs on Mexico have already all but eliminated the fentanyl last. down in Mexico, because finally, Shinebaum is afraid of Trump, and she understands the penalties will only get worse if she doesn't clean up the fentanyl labs.

So now good luck finding one down there. That's the number one killer of young people in America. Fentil ODs. So, yes, they're controversial, but they're working, and I think they have the promise to work long-term too. As a lawyer, how concerned are you about due process? And in particular, for example, no one's got a problem with him kicking out serious,

gang members, but there do seem to be some people, and we don't know probably enough to be factually certain about this because there's arguments on both sides, but some people seem to be slipping through the cracks here. Are you concerned that in the rush to enforce some of this stuff, due process is getting slightly trampled? Does that concern you? Not really. I see this as all the Democrats making, first and foremost. They open the floodgates. We had between 10 and 20 million illegals flood this country under Joe Biden, and now desperate measures are required. And that is why Trump is doing what he's doing.

And he doesn't get any credit for shutting the border. I mean, we had hundreds of thousands crossing the border under Joe Biden every month. Now we have none. Now we have like maybe 7,000, which, I mean, we're never going to be able to tighten it entirely. And that's all thanks to President Trump and his executive order. So he has closed the border and stopped the flow. And now he's trying to deport those who took advantage of us under the Joe Biden asleep year. and yeah, there are going to be some small mistakes.

I don't really care. I have to say, like, I have very little empathy for these illegals who broke our laws to come into our country and take advantage of our good hearts by getting on Medicaid and Medicare where they could, by getting Social Security numbers and then voting, which we've seen now, thanks to Elon and Doge, they've been doing some of them. And so the ones who I do, the only thing, the only piece, only piece of the Trump deportation program that I do have some concerns about, I need to research more peers, is I don't get why we get to put them in jail in El Salvador. I'm 100% fine with flights to Colombia and flights

to El Salvador for that matter too. But if they haven't been adjudicated a criminal in a court of law as opposed to just somebody who overstayed or came in illegally, normally the resolution is you're deported for that, not you go to prison. I have to figure out what's the legal basis for locking them up. Elon Musk, you mentioned there, a lot of speculation in the last sort of 48 hours. or so that he may be getting out of serving this administration. He was always planned to stay, I think, till May, and then there's a rule that he'd have to step aside anyway. But you can see a lot of targeting of Musk where people have gone after Tesla,

the very people that used to support him. You know, the sort of woke left, he saw him as their hero, their savior, their green energy king, their climate change guy, and now they're torching and petrol bombing all his cars because he changed his political allegiance. A, what do you make of that? And B, what do you think about all the heat going on Musk? And in particular, what happened in Wisconsin

where it looked like, you know, the Midas touch he showed in the general election didn't work there? Yeah, he's a special government employee, which means you're allowed to stay for 130 days. But you could be renewed. You either have to leave or you can be renewed. Joe Biden did this with the terrible Anita Dunn. This is the woman who was a comms expert who decided she'd run some Me Too type organization called Times Up.

and she would help any woman who was accusing a Republican, any woman at all, so long as they were accusing a Republican. But when you had the Tara Reads of the world who came in to say, Joe Biden did something to me, she didn't know your name from nothing. So she's a bad person. Anyway, she was a special government employee, and they kept renewing her 130, 130. So he could stay if you wanted to, and if Trump wanted him to.

I believe Trump could probably use Elon's tenure longer. But look, Elon has been taking all the flack. He's been sort of the main fall guy for the Trump administration's, bold moves. And he took on the most controversial piece of it, you know, cutting jobs in the federal government and cutting departments and cutting pet projects of the left and all the money going to NGOs. And the press coverage of him has been uniformly bad. So nasty. And there are actually very few, even on the right who are defending him other than in the digital lane, you know, where we are. But like the Wall Street Journal, they're not doing it. The right wing, like the Fox News is occasionally.

But he doesn't really have much defense. So he's been taking fire for Trump. I mean, you could argue that Trump's higher approval rating is as a result of Elon taking most of the barbs. But the other thing is, you know, to be fair, Elon doesn't, I like the guy, and I think he's a genius and we're really lucky to have him, but he doesn't have the natural charm that Donald Trump has. And so while controversial, you know, Trump can charm you, as you know. And Elon, already people resent him because he's a billionaire. Then they resent him because he got political, at least everybody who's left of center. And he doesn't have the ability to smooth the over very quickly and easily with the velvet tongue the way Trump can, you know, and with humor

the way Trump can. So I think he's come up against that. And then the left has found their boogeyman. You would have thought that Wisconsin State Supreme Court judge, who just won, that Democrat, was running directly against Elon Musk and there was no Republican opponent. All the ads out there made it all about him. And that was very effective. So he's been made into a boogeyman instead of a hero, which is deeply wrong and immoral, but it is what it is. It's interesting you talk about Trump's charm, because I see that a lot with him, and I know you have too. Bill Maher went up to the White House. What I was struck by, I'll play a clip from Kid Rock first, and then tell you what I'll start by afterwards.

Let's watch this. It could not have been better. Everyone was so surprised, so pleasant. The most shocking thing to me was, you know, Bill's obviously very big liberal, been very hard on the president, but he's donated a lot of money to other politicians. You know, you've had Biden, Clinton, Obama. everybody, he had never been to the White House. And the president was so gracious, he took us up to the private residence. We saw the Gettysburg Address in the Lincoln bedroom.

And I was like, you've never been here, Bill? And I was like, how about this? President Trump, you know, extending this olive branch. And we talked about things we had in common, you know, ending wokeness, you know, securing the border. You know, the president was asking him what he thought about policy, you know, going on with Iran and Israel and things. It just blew my mind. Now, A, I really wish I'd been at that dinner

because the idea of kid rock, Dana White, Donald Trump, Bill Maher. That's a fun dinner. But secondly, it's interesting that Marr deliberately went there knowing he would piss off all the wokeies and they're pissed off for bending the knee to Trump. The MAGA crowd are pissed off because they don't think the president should be entertaining dinner at the White House with a man who once said he'd donate

$5 million to a charity if Trump could prove he wasn't the spawn of his mother having sex with an orangutan. So on all sides, Bill Maher was copying it, as he knew he would, but he still went. And the thing that really struck me, Megan, was he'd been a big donor to, I think, to Biden, to Obama, to the Clintons and others. He'd never been to the White House before. It took Donald Trump to invite him there, and despite the fact that every week on his show, Bill Maher Hammers him. What did you think of it? Yeah. I mean, as you, you, you and I both know Trump is quick to make up with the people he's irritated with,

as long as you show him good humor and good grace. You know, as long as you don't hold a grudge, he doesn't hold a grudge. I mean, I think we can both speak to that personally. And I think the same is true with Bill Maher. Trump is better at it than anyone? So the question was really, is Bill Maher any good at it? You know, will Bill Maher be able to go in there and be nice to Trump? And I'd love to hear more about Bill's own experience.

He says he'll speak to it on his show this Friday. but that's by my one problem with Bill. Well, actually, I can tell you. He's like you and I are. He's actually doing it. Yeah, well, he's doing it. I think he's not on this Friday. I think he's on the Friday after.

And by coincidence, I'm doing that show. So I'm going to hear it sitting next to him. It should be, and I'm really interested. I think it was a good thing to do. But here's the problem with Bill. So he's been with us on the anti-wokeness front. He's been fighting those wars just as long as we have. He's against that nonsense, on gender, on the DEI stuff.

But with three, respect to Bill, he has TDS. And it's been rather severe Trump Arrangement Syndrome. And it's been the one thing that he just cannot see clearly through. And this isn't long ago. You know, he came on my show just before the election, a few months before the election. And as soon as I, you know, made clear I was supporting Trump, like, he couldn't even really look at me. He seemed irritated. And I like Bill, but he really can't stand Donald Trump. So maybe it took somebody as like crazy and fun and just lose. this kid rock to say, come on, why don't you just meet with him for Bill to, like, let the veil down a little and maybe take a fresh look at this guy who's been so demonized by probably everybody, Bill, now, socially. Yeah, I mean, it's interesting, because he'll have Anne Coulter on his show all the time, Bill. He's not like he's against, you know, talking or interviewing with or even dining with conservatives, but he has had an issue with Trump. That's why I'll be riveted to know what actually happened over dinner.

Well, I heard the one piece of news I heard was that Bill showed up with a piece of paper that had all the terrible things that Trump had said about Bill Maher on it, and he showed it to Trump, and Trump signed it. I love that. Of course he would. Let's talk about Corey Booker for a moment, because I don't know what you thought, but watching Cory Booker speak for a whole day, 24 hours. Let's have a clip of some of it. Would the Senator yield for a question?

Chuck Schumer, it's the only time in my life I can tell you no. I just want to tell you a question. Do you know you have just broken the record? Do you know how proud this caucus is of you? Do you know how proud America is of you? Now, part of me was like, what a lot of pointless. Yeah, I know. And part of it is very irritating.

I completely get that. But was there also a slotho? method to his madness. Are the Democrats looking for somebody, anyone, who can at least show a bit of fight? And did he do that for their side, do you think? Heidi, guess what? Do you have any idea what he was protesting? No. I mean either. Not a clue. It's been covered ubiquitously. Nobody knows. Trump's terrible. He's anti-Trump. Got it. Okay. So it was totally ineffective. He's not even filibustering anything. It's not like Trump's got his big initiative. He's pushing through right now. know, there's only one way for the Democrats to stop it, and that's the filibuster.

And Cory Booker was going to take me out. No, there's nothing. There's not a bill on the floor. It wasn't a filibuster. It was just an attention-grabbing stunt by somebody who loves to do that. I mean, during the Brett Kavanaugh confirmation hearings, our Supreme Court justice, he went out there and tried to stop him to and actually said, this is my I am Spartacus moment. And everyone mocked him.

Like, Spartacus doesn't say, I am, this is my I am Spartacus moment and love me. And that's what Cory Booker's been doing from the beginning, trying to get some sort of attention. And for what, for nothing? That's what the Democrat Party is doing right now. It's darts at the board, darts at the board. You know, Tim Walts is out there holding town halls now? Why?

You lost. No one wants to hear more from you. There's no party leader. They're listless. You've got all these Democratic governors over here from Connecticut to Michigan to Maryland, at least two out of three on the short list for Dem nominee next time around, saying, I'm going to be the one to pay attention to young. young boys. Boys and men. I understand we have a problem with these guys. And what are they doing,

peers? They're going to create initiatives for them to get into teaching. Like, oh my God, not it. Why don't you start by getting rid of your absurd DEI programs in which you demonize boys and white boys in particular? Like, let's start. Let's get rid of, you know, women's history month and gay history month and pride month. Even my son, who happens to be white, was like, why do the gays get a month and the veterans only get a day? I'm like, yes, good question. I know. There's so much wrong with the way they're doing it.

It has nothing to do with the lack of male teachers in the K through 12. That'd be nice, but that's a bonus. They don't know what they're doing. That's my point. I thought it was quite amusing to watch Gavin Newsom dashing to the center ground. And then putting on this kind of completely bemused face and saying, you know, I don't know who was using the phrase Latin X, but that should never have been happening.

And then people thought about 80,000 examples of him using the phrase Latin X. And then he was saying, obviously, it's unfair that biological men are in women's sport. You think, Gavin, you were one of the main people saying it was fine? It's absurd. He's rushing to the middle with his words only, with fake rhetoric across from conservative. podcast hosts he's having on his show. I don't know why he's doing that. It's all fake. So I guess that could last for a little with some, you know, conservatives or more right-leaders who aren't paying

attention to the news that closely. But as soon as he runs and he has an opponent and his actual opinions are getting debated on a stage, it will all crumble. The trans thing is really galling because it's like, gee, if only there were a governor who were willing to do something about it. You know, like he's been against us. Exactly. At every turn on this issue, California is the most radical state after only Minnesota. Tim Walts is crazy Minnesota. Its second California is in its trans radicalness. And Bill March, who his credit, called him out on that saying,

this is a state that just passed a law saying parents don't need to be notified. School teachers do not need to tell them if their students come to class and declare they're the opposite sex and want to go by a different name and wear different clothes at school and participate in the other sexist's sports and so on. And he defended it. Of course he defended it because he signed it into law. He's a sick person. He's just as vain as Corey Booker. This is all an exercise in vanity for him. It's all about him and his weird widow's peak. It's like he's got to have the perfectly quaffed hair, the perfectly quaffed look. He's got to have just the right wife. He's all about appearances. And so if he's sitting across from a Steve Bannon or a Charlie Kirk, he'll say just enough to be loved, to sound reasonable. But what he does, he does. He's all about appearances. And so if he's sitting across from a Steve Bannon or a Charlie Kirk, he'll say just enough to be loved, to sound reasonable. But what he does. But what he does, he's with his actual pen is very dangerous. So I hope he does run. And I hope we get a really smart person,

J.D. Vance, or someone just like him, to excoriate him by doing nothing other than mentioning his own actual positions and legislations. Could we have that person be Donald Trump for a third term? No, no, we cannot. I love Alan Dershowitz. I think he might be serious. No, he might be.

agree. We had a debate on this on my show because my producer was like, I think we need to write in that he's trolling. And I said, I think we could write in, he might be trolling. I'm not comfortable with he is trolling. He doesn't do very well leaving office. I think we've seen that. And so I'm not sure how it'll go after the end of this term. I think he will leave. But I think he'd love to stay for a third term. You know, he said, I love working. He loves the job. His oxygen is attention. there's no better job than what he's doing now, and he happens to be very good at it. So I'm sure he is sad that there's this prohibition, but Alan Dershowitz, professor of constitutional law at Harvard for 50 years,

did an in-depth look at this and said, while it's not quite as crazy as the left-wing media would have you believe, there actually is a long and convoluted way to do it. It's a very long shot and not likely to happen. So don't put the smart money on Trump 3.0. I mean, nobody would have put smart money on Trump the first time around. I think I was one of the lone voices when he said he was running back in 2015. I wrote a column for the Daily Mail saying, I wouldn't be laughing quite so loudly if I were you.

Trump has a way of having the last laugh, but I was in a very small minority. So I would never rule anything out with Trump. And you knew him. You had the advantage of knowing him, which gives you like an inside edge on what he does to people, you know, how he really can charm you. Oh, no question. I always say also, he's completely freakish and that he has the thinnest skin of anyone we've ever known.

So he reacts to everything by going to DefCon 3, any criticism. But he also has the thickest skin, which enables him to soak up stuff that would destroy any other public figure. And he does it time and again. If you look at the last year, surviving an assassin's bullet, you know, to attempts to jail him, etc., etc., etc., etc., he's got a remarkable thing, skit. Not to mention Letitia James, the AG of New York, Attorney General, who tried to bankrupt him,

who got a more than $500 million judgment against his company, which is really his baby that he loves, and then E.G. and Carol, with this ridiculous sexual assault charge and then defamation charge, 80 million from him. That's real money. So his businesses are getting bankrupted. he's getting personally dinged for almost $100 million. They're trying to lock him up. And he never doubted it. He never had doubted his ability to win those cases eventually, to keep himself out of jail, all while running for the most important biggest job in the world.

And he did it. You know, when he was young, he went to the church of Norman Vincent Peel, who wrote the power of positive thinking. And if you read that book, you will understand Trump very well because he just doesn't ever believe negative words about him or that negative things are going to happen to him.

He's just always optimistic about him. And if you look at him as a citizen, all I could think was that could be very useful for us. You know, if that sort of optimism and never say die attitude is unleashed on the United States of America,

where could we go? What great things could happen? I agree. And I think when he punched the ear and said, fight, fight, fight. When he got shot, that probably won in the election right then and there because people, whether they liked him or not,

you could not watch that and not conclude that guy had unbelievable personal courage in that moment. It was incredible. Let's talk about Hooters, Megan. Hooters has gone bust. They're going to carry on using the same name. What do we make it? Is this some great seminal moment for feminism

or for the future of women being able to take their cleavages out in bars? What are we reading into this? I think it's sad. I mean, it's going back into the control, I guess, of the original owners. And I guess once it was farmed out to all these big conglomerates, you know, these corporate owners, they just started doing like, they got a little raunchier, which didn't help it. I understand where they were going. They were like, let's lean in. But the new plan in the hands of the new owners is let's make it family friendly, because it was actually kind of family friendly originally.

Yes, they had the saucy girls, but they tried to get families to go in there. But here's the bottom line. I think it's sad because the bread and butter of Hooters was always young guys, you know, who'd go in there and have a beer and have some wings and, you know, look at the beautiful girls and watch a game on the screen. That's fine. That's good. That's called being a red blooded American male.

That's been killed slowly but surely over the past 10, 20 years by leftist policies and messaging back to what we were discussing before. And not just that, though. I mean, the iPhone, right? And the Bowling Alone book, you know, where we're retreating internally. as a society, we are across the pond, you are. It's something that's happening society-wide where we're losing our connection with one another.

And so young guys are not going out to really any bar right now and looking at pretty girls and having beers and watching sports. They're like picking up the phone, looking at it there, having a more isolated experience, and it's sad. And then on top of that, though, there's the leftist messaging of, you're shamed as some sort of a pervert. if you want to see saucy girls with the breasts and the shorts, whereas that's totally normal. That should not be, that's how civilization continues.

No man should be shamed out of thinking that's an attractive thing to do or a fun thing to do with his buddies. And the more we do that to young men of like child producing, you know, peak ages when they're across from women at that age, the more trouble we're in. So there's, we should be celebrating it. And I think hopefully this new shift will lead to, yes, okay, more family-friendly, that's fine. But, you know, we have problems at Olive Garden right now. We have problems at chilies. We have problems at some, a lot of family-friendly restaurants that aren't doing that well. I think what we need to do as a society is normalize men being men.

I completely agree. The best description I had of the woke brigade was a woman came up to me, an 80-year-old Australian lady came up to me in London. And she said, you know, P, is the trouble with the wokeies? is they suck all the joy out of life. And I thought, what a perfect description for what the woke we're going to do. If there's something that's bringing people joy, they want to cancel it.

They're the most puritanical people on God's earth, aren't they? That's so well said. They're so unfun. They ran around for 10 years getting little like Tostata food trucks canceled because they were owned by somebody who's white, right? Cultural appropriation

or you served like some rice, that came from the wrong country and that you weren't born in, so you're cancelled. And we went along with it. As a society, we allowed this stuff to happen. You're right. Their life motto is

we're miserable and we want you to be too. Well, let's end on a, it's a sad note, but it also celebrates somebody who was in one of my all-time favorite movies. In fact, including the sequel, Top Gun. Val Kilmer, who's died at 65.

Top Gun to me. me, I was so happy with the sequel, because unlike so many sequels in Hollywood, where they take the original which everybody loved and they ruin it by diluting it all or making it all woke or whatever it may be or go the full Disney route. Instead, they kept it absolutely true to the first one. And there was an incredibly poignant moment where Val Kilmer, his character Iceman, with Tom Cruise, character Maverick, both now older guys, obviously. And they have this really point in thing because the really point in bit was that Val Kilmer was dying

when they did it and he dies in the movie and it was just bringing the whole thing of real life and the movies together. But what did you think of Val Kilmer? What was your favorite Val Kilmer film? You know, how great an actor do you think he was?

Oh, I thought he was incredibly talented. He was truly great and Top Gun was my favorite as well because that was his, you know, he had done some funny comedies where he was more of a meathead. And then he shows up in Top Gun looking completely different and, I mean, hot and amazing. And he was cool. Ice Man, it was just, you know, you're like, holy.

And he's across from Tom Cruise, which makes him, that elevates him even more. And he just played that role perfectly. A lot of guys like the Tombstone role, but I like the Top Gun role. And, you know, he had his life troubles. You know, it's like you saw him go from that chiseled Iceman jet fighter to somebody who is definitely overweight. and like sweaty and struggling. And he wound up owning all of that, which just made him much more human.

You know, you sometimes forget there's a real human being behind these images. And, you know, he's gone too soon, peers. I was thinking about it today, like 65. That's young. That's too young to go. And all of his Hollywood success and the accolades and the fans,

they don't save you, you know, when your number's up. I was thinking about it more, you know, closer to home here because I, I watch. the real housewives of Beverly Hills from time to time. And one of the characters on that, women on that show is named Teddy Mellencamp. She's the daughter of John Mellencamp, the singer. And she's got stage four melanoma.

The cancer's all over her now. Multiple brain tumors and lung tumors now. She's got three young kids, like single digits. It's just, you know, when it's time, it's time. And we never know when that time is coming. I know it's cliche, but it's like you really do have to reassess your life when these things happen and remind yourself like am i doing what works for me like do i have my life to a place where god forbid things got short quickly i'd say i'm doing the right thing

i don't have a lifetime of regrets of how i didn't live or more apt for how we are right now what i didn't say the thoughts i failed to express the things i failed to stand up for that i knew were right in my heart right like to me that's what matters Is that your family, your friends, and standing on principle. So it's a good reminder to do all those things. I completely agree. I turned 60 on Sunday, and one of my very great friends died recently of brain cancer. He got it out of nowhere, 57 years old, stage four, glioblastoma, Nokia.

And it really, you know, I talked to him a lot in the last few months of his life. Just about the, I actually have it as my Twitter now X profile, this saying that someone gave me a few years. years ago, live every day like it's your last, because one day you'll be right. And there's a ticking clock for everybody. The absolute certainty in life is that one day, that's your last day. And you may as well live every day like it's your last. In other words, if you had a day to live, what would you do? You wouldn't sit on the sofa on your phone watching telly. You'd get out and do stuff. You'd travel the world. You'd meet interesting people. You'd do fun things. You'd take risks. You would do all the things that you may be just in the comfort of life. You don't really push yourself into

doing. But when you know someone who has life taken from them very quickly, and they would looking forward to leading 20, 30 years more, if that doesn't focus your mind to do what you've just described, I don't know what would. Yeah. By the way, you took off the peacock one? You had something about a peacock as your old tagline. I don't remember what it was, but I remember finding it amusing. I'll have to go back. It was no. One day, actually, am I still with Eric? So, My grandmother, one day you'll cock of the walk. One day you're the cock of the walk, the next year, you're a feather duster. And I used to love that.

She used to draw it for me. Literally a cockerel, all full of itself, preening around like that. And then the next minute, you're the feathers, and you've been turned into a feather duster. Well, that's good, too, because it's important to stay sumble. Yeah, yeah. Well, she said it to me in good times and bad. And she was like, whenever I was getting a bit too big for my boots, she'd send me a little drawing

and said, remember, Cock of the Walk, feather duster. Otherwise, don't get too carried away because, you know, life. That's right. And she'd have a real rollercoaster life to her 90s. So, yeah, I think they're both good matches. Oh, no, no, no.

I'm a big believer in that. And I also feel like if you get too ahead of yourself on that, life will send you a little reminder that, you know, what your grandma said. I'll just give you a quick one real quick. Somebody came up to me at the Republican, at the inauguration. They were like, oh, my God, Megan Kelly.

blah, so, and, oh, they didn't say my name. In fact, they were just like paying me a lot of attention. Can I have your autograph? Can I have a picture? Sure, sure. And I was like, I must be something special. This guy went nuts for me. And then he's walking away.

He goes, I can't believe I just met Carrie Underwood. What? That is a great leveler. I love moments like that. I mean, we pretend we love moments like that. They're horrific, obviously, but they are funny. Megan, great to talk to you. And congrats on the development of your media empire,

which I've been reading with great excitement and got a few plans myself. So it's fun this YouTube world, doesn't it? Awesome. It's great. And I love seeing you out there doing your own thing, peers with no corporate minders and no connections because none are necessary. Yeah, absolutely right.

Megan, love you to talk to you. Thanks very much. Lots of love. See you soon. Here's Morgan Uncensored and is proudly independent. The only boss around here is me. If you enjoy our show, We'll ask only one simple thing.

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