Piers Morgan Uncensored - Moses Itauma Speaks To Piers Morgan Ahead Of Heavyweight Fight vs Hrgović | Full Interview

Episode Date: August 25, 2026

The UK’s latest boxing prodigy is rapidly climbing through the ranks: Moses Itauma. Many of his peers are already touting him as the next big thing. After an undefeated amateur career and a perfect start to life as a professional, Itauma has quickly become one of heavyweight boxing’s most exciting prospects. He made headlines with a devastating TKO of Dillian Whyte in under two minutes, and now, with a 22-0 record to his name, he’s ready to take the next step — challenging Filip Hrgović for the vacant IBF heavyweight title this Saturday night, live on DAZN. In this exclusive 40-minute sit-down with Piers Morgan, Moses opens up about the praise he’s received from the likes of Joe Rogan, what he hopes to achieve throughout his career, and the pressure and spotlight that come with being labelled a boxing prodigy. He also looks ahead to his huge bout on Saturday. Discussing his heritage, Moses reveals what it was like growing up in Slovakia with his mum, and how he was influenced by her family’s love of combat sports. He also talks about his Nigerian father — including the hilarious way his dad attempts to coach him before every fight despite having zero boxing experience. And Moses responds to former heavyweight champion Oleksandr Usyk’s claim that he would “beat him up” in the ring... 00:33 - Introduction 01:12 - Moses Itauma joins Piers  02:22 - Moses reacts to Joe Rogan’s comments about him 05:51 - Piers asks Moses “Do you think you have what it takes to live up to all the expectations and hype?   07:15 - Moses on being himself 08:00 - Moses on his early life in Slovakia and his identity 10:07 - Piers asks Moses “Where did you get your fighting spirit from?” 14:00 - Moses on his childhood 16:38 - Piers asks Moses “Will you be apprehensive before getting into the ring on Aug 29th?” 18:45 - Teddy Atlas’ comparison of Moses Itauma to Mike Tyson 21:25 - Moses on meeting Mike Tyson 22:10 - Moses on how he’d handle defeat 23:20 - Moses on Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua 26:26 - Relationship and religion 30:40 - Moses on bar scraps 31:52 - Piers asks Moses: “Do you think Usyk could break you?” 35:00 - Will Arsenal win the Premier League again this season? 37:11 - Moses on his parent’s spirit and faith in his boxing Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Moses, I've never lost a fight as an amateur. You haven't lost a fight as a professional. Everybody thinks you're the guy. He's a problem. That carries with it. Anticipation, expectation. Do you think you have what it takes to live up to all the hype? What's next for this?

emerging superstar. From the great Henry Cooper to Frank Bruno, Lennox Lewis and Tyson Fury. Great Britain has a proud history of great heavyweight boxing champions. But there's no secret that boxing needs new blood. Britain and indeed the world is looking for its next true superstar. Well, many people in the know say that man is Moses Italma. At the age of just 21, he's tipped to dominate heavyweight boxing for a generation. But has he got what it takes to be a true great where Atama fights Philip Govich for the IBF heavyweight title on August of 29th, live and exclusive on DeZone?

And he joins me now. Moses, welcome to Uncensored. What's going on? Piers for Good. Or Mr. Morgan, I should say. There's a lot going on, Moses, but probably not as much as there is in your world. I just want to play a clip before we get into the interview. from Joe Rogan, the biggest podcaster on the planet, and obviously one of the guys most associated with UFC, he said this about you. I'll tell you who's the real fucking deal. Moses.

Moses It's Toma. Do you know who that motherfucker is? That 20-year-old heavyweight? Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. Did you see what he did, Did Dillian White? Yes, he's a problem. Yes. He's a problem.

Yeah. That guy's a real problem. Is he only 20? 20 years old. He's just slightly older than Tyson was when he won the title, so he can't be the youngest guy to ever win the title. Damn. This motherfucker is so fast.

He moves like a middleweight. I know. He tuned this guy up. One round, man. I mean, again, White is past his prime. He's also gotten beat up. Yeah, sure. Tyson Fury beat him up.

A lot of guys beat him up. But this is the test you want for this young contender. It's the way he did it. He did it like, I'm a world champion. Now, Moses, when you hear someone like Joe Rogan, Who knows a bit about fighting? When you hear him say that about you, what do you feel about that?

No, it's obviously nice to hear. Obviously, Joe Rogan is somebody that, obviously, I grew up listening to, I still listen to a podcast now. So obviously for him to obviously say that, and he's in combat sport, it's obviously a big deal. But if you're actually asking him what it does for me,

like I kind of have to put it to one side because it's like at the minute I'm all, I guess, hopes. I'm all like what I'm going to be. And it's like I'm trying to solidify myself as somebody that's doing something, if that makes sense. Yeah. No, it does. And it's interesting because you say you'd never get nervous before fights. But I see you gulping water now as you talk to me.

Would it be accurate to say you might be slightly more apprehensive about, Boy, are you more worried about being interviewed by me than having a fight, Moses? No, I've literally just been, it's hot outside. I don't know if you've been outside, it's hot. And I've just done golf for like two hours. So it's like, yeah, I ain't had a swig of water. So you're not just palpitating from nerves about... It's actually, I'm actually in Los Angeles,

where it's about five degrees cooler centigrade than it is in England. Now, obviously, I must be doing something right if I'm getting an interview by Pace Morgan. Well, your word's not my, Moses, but it means you've reached the big league. But interestingly, I've interviewed a lot of boxes. I've interviewed Mike Tyson five or six times, I think.

I know him very well. I did Celebrity Apprentice in America. where Donald Trump was the host, actually, about 20 years ago, with Lennox Lewis. And we became very good friends in that process. I know Frank Bruno very well from when he was before he even fought for the British title. I knew Frank. So, you know, British heavyweight champions in particular, but also the greats like Mike Tyson, I've always been attracted to them as a sports fan, as a boxing fan.

And everyone I talk to about you, Moses, says the same thing that Joe Rogan did. They all say you're the real deal. You never lost a fight as an amateur. You haven't lost a fight as a professional. Everybody thinks you're the guy. That carries with it a lot of weight of anticipation, expectation. Do you think you have what it takes to live up to all the hype? It's a great question.

I get asked this all the time, but I never actually answer it, just because it's like I just don't know. With boxing, you train to get lucky. So, like, it's like every time you do a training session, every time you try to catch them 1%. It's like you can never solidify yourself as a winner. It's just you kind of train to get lucky. And, like, the more you train, the lucky you get.

But there's always a chance you might go into the ring and you just be unlucky, you know? Obviously, it's nice to hear all them nice words, but it's like at the same time, they don't really do me no favour, so I do push them to one side and I just say a crack on with my day. It's like, yeah, everybody's still touting me as like, I'm going to be the future, I'm going to, or I'm the next hot property or something like that. Obviously, once I beat Huggovich and I actually become a world champion,

I'm no longer, I'm going to do these things, but I've done these things, if that makes sense. Yeah, 100%. You said recently to the Guardian, I don't actually want to be under the bright lights. But with the way I'm going, it looks like I ain't got no choice. And that is true. You then said, I'm not braggadocious. I'm not swagger-docious. I love this quote.

I don't do anything extraordinary outside the ring. I feel like your increasingly popularity might be because I come across as myself. I don't try to be anyone else. I love that quote because I think, when I think of all the sportsmen I'm most attracted to, individuals as personalities. It's the ones I believe are authentic. They're not trying to copy anybody else. They're not trying to be compared to anybody.

They're true to themselves above all else. Is that how you see yourself? 100%. I feel like being yourself is what makes you different nowadays. And I feel like being authentic is just like thinking, feeling and acting all in the same way. And it's like, yeah, I think what attracts me to a lot of people is just, I believe it's just that I don't put a facade on that. I try to be myself. Of course, when I come in front of a camera, obviously I want to be a bit more polished.

I might not say certain words just because obviously I still have a family. I carry my father's name. Obviously, I have a family I represent. You get what I mean. So it's like I just, I'm a little bit more professional, but I'm still the same. name Moses, the Talmud. Your mom is Slovakian, your dad's Nigerian. You spent the very early part of your life in Slovakia,

and then you joined the rest of your family in Chatham in Kent, not a mile away, actually, not too far away from where I was brought up in East Sussex. How do you... What do you see yourself as? Are you part Slovakian in your mind? Are you British now? You part Nigerian?

How would you categorize how you view your own identity? I'm all free. I'm all free, obviously. I'd say, obviously, I was born to Slovak mother, Nigeria and father. I was born in Slovakia, raised in the UK. But I think English, I'm a boxer. Through the British public eyes, I grew up in Kent, so it's kind of hard to not call.

myself British. So yeah, I'll probably I'll probably say I'm a I'm a I'm I'm all free I wouldn't say I wouldn't say like I'm not this and I'm not that I don't think I have a choice if that makes sense of I feel like a lot of especially like I believe that mix race people they they definitely do go for a stage of life is they've they try to pick a side and I think in my experience I've just accepted that I'm all free you know yeah and I think that it wasn't a trick question I think it's a complicated thing to answer but you're clearly proud of fighting under the British banner and British boxing fans are very proud of you and have great hopes for what you may achieve you know one of your brothers is also

a very good boxer. Where did you guys get this fighting spirit from? Is it from your mom, from your dad, from both? What do you think you've got from your Slovak mom and your Nigerian father? You know, my mom is very hardworking. She's a very resilient person. I might have got that probably from my mom's side.

My mom's side of a family, they like fighting as well. Everybody grew up doing kickboxing, M.M.A. like was fighting in the local town bars, pubs and that. So probably that fighting spirit probably came from my mom's side. But I guess obviously my dad's Nigerian, obviously, there ain't a heavyweight fighter. Or so many Nigerians are dominating the sport of boxing. So obviously, like, so you got a Coli, Anthony Joshua,

Joe Joyce, Daniel Dubois, Deonté Wilder, Deontay Wilder, FAA, Jagbad, they're all like shaking up the scene and it's like they're all Nigerian. So I feel like, yeah, I think it's kind of from both. But obviously not to take that, like obviously a lot of it was myself, you know. Obviously I didn't just make it in or making or I'm not making it in boxing just because I'm slow that Nigerian. Like I of course I have to pat myself on the back and give myself a little bit of credit because there's a lot of people. When I started off boxing, there was like a good eight, nine of us that were doing very well. It was all boxing at a very high level.

And it seems like I'm the only one that's kind of left of that bunch. So obviously I've got to pat myself on the back and say, I've done a bit of that, you know. I interviewed two goats, in my opinion, goats of their own sports last year, Novak Djokovic, the tennis player. And Christiano Ronaldo is a good friend of mine. I interviewed him many times. I've watched it. The common denominator, oh, you did?

Yeah, because I noticed you follow Ronaldo on Instagram, but you don't follow Messi. I think I'm a little bit more of a Ronaldo fan, but Messi is Messi is messy in it. He is, but Ronaldo is the goat, in my opinion. But what was interesting about interviewing them and comparing it to your story is that they both came from absolutely nothing

in terms of no money as a family. You know, Djokovic talked about being in Belgrade when the NATO airstrikes came in, and they were spending $10 a week as a family. Ronaldo had so little money that when he went to the Sporting Lisbon Academy, as you saw in the interview, he would be given burgers by two kindly ladies at local McDonald's because he was so hungry.

You yourself have talked about, when my mom and dad separated, it was hard. Mum had to say, I can't afford to take care of you. You've got to live with your dad. Samuel and I lived in the house on Luton Road in Chatham that my dad owned. we had seven pounds a week to buy food. And I read that and it really stood out for me

is one of the common themes of the greats of sport I've interviewed is that they all came from very little. Two and five Canadians will hear the words, you have cancer. That's why every step and dollar raised matters. On September 19th, join thousands in Toronto for the Princess Margaret Cancer Foundation Walk. Challenge yourself, friends and family, to walk 21 kilometers in support of life-saving research.

Together, we can carry the fire and help create a world free from the fear of cancer. Register today at pmcf walk.ca. Do you feel that that is one of the motivating factors for you, the drive, the determination, the commitment, the desire to reach the very top? You know what's mad? Like recently I've been trying to stay and sway away

from this because I feel like it gives people like from, I guess, middle class backgrounds a limit. Like it's as if to say like you can't achieve something unless you come from nothing. The majority of my childhood, like I had a very good childhood. Obviously I was in a household with my two brothers. I feel like I lived anybody's or everybody's childhood. that come from the UK, if you know what I mean.

You obviously on every Saturdays you go. You probably got that free, four quid that you took out your mom's purse to just, like, go and chill in the park. You're there from 10 a.m. to 6 p.m. playing football, doing whatever. Like, I lived that normal childhood, you know. So I wouldn't, I wouldn't, like, obviously, it's not being a driving factor. It's not something that's motivated me because, even when you get to a certain point of success

where, obviously, Ronaldo and Novak Djokovic would have achieved, like, it's like you've earned your money now, but why do they keep carrying on? It's not, I wouldn't say it's like a driving factor, like money. Like, it might have been at the beginning, but I think when you get to a certain point, I think there's something more appealing. And for me, it's like, obviously,

I want to become the heavyweight champion in the world. If you do win, and most people believe you will, then from August the 30th onwards, the day after your victory, you'll be world champion. Your life will change dramatically. You'll become a celebrity, whether you like it or not. You'll become extremely wealthy, whether you think that's a good thing or bad. You've had time to think about this.

What do you think that reality is going to be like for you to deal with? It's funny because when I spoke to both AJ and Tyson, they said that the higher the fight or the more higher profile of the fight is, the bigger the crash they have. And especially Tyson was saying like, you build up, you build up, you build up to such a big event. And then that event happens and after you just have a big crash. So I don't know. I'm not even thinking about what's going to happen after. I just want to get through August 29th. I believe it's August 29th.

I think that's the day. It is August 29th, isn't it? Yeah. How do you think you're going to fit you? Going up against a guy is a pretty good fighter. He's a lot older than you. He's been talking a big game at you about this fight. You know, many think it may be your toughest test.

Do you ever get apprehensive when you get into a ring? Will you be apprehensive? when you get into that ring on August the 29th? I think we'll just have to wait and see. I feel like we've, I get asked the same question about pressure, how did you do with pressure next by Z? And it's just something that it's like, as much as you want to prepare for it,

you just never know until you're under that bright light. So with that being said, I don't, I won't really know unless I'm there, you know. But I feel like I'm coping with it. well. Obviously, it's not the first time I've headlined, I've headlined in Saudi Arabia. I've headlined in Manchester. Manchester was a sold-out crowd, so I'm dealing with it good and we'll see. Hopefully I can continue shining. Mike Tyson famously said everyone's got a plan until they get punched in the face. Do you think that your opponent on August 29th has got a

plan for you that may be ended by a big right hand in the face? Or it could be the left. I don't know. I feel like being punched in the face should be part of your plan. Like it's all right having a plan and then thinking it's all going to go well, but you should have a plan B and C, you know. So yeah, I think I'm confident in my team. I'm confident in my preparation.

Obviously, we only got two years. now left until fighting that. It's like once you get to fight week, it's like you know the hard work is done. Like now it's kind of the easy work, which is to kind of just, yeah, do a fight, if that makes sense. How do you feel about all the comparisons to Tyson,

because to Mike Tyson, because you would be the second youngest heavyweight champion ever after him. He was 20, you would be 21. Even Tyson's early trainer and mentor Teddy Atlas says he thinks you're better than Mike Tyson at the same stage. He said, Itama is different from Tyson in that he's more dimensional. He can do more things. He can box a little bit.

He can counterpunch. I've seen him set traps. He can go get you. He can go in the trenches. He can go in close. Go to the body. Go to the head. Put punches together.

Tyson was more of a one direction seek and destroy machine, but a very good one. Italma's one of the first heavyweight since Tyson. Well, I can say he shows him. you that combination of pure speed and pure power that Tyson showed. I remember watching Mike Tyson. I went to several of his fights when he was 20. I'd never seen anything quite like it. To have Teddy Atlas say that about you is quite extraordinary.

Are you affected by that? Are you excited by that? Are you a little bit unnerved by that? Not really. Like Teddy Atlas, obviously, I know Mike Tyson and Teddy Atlas had the little back on forth, so I don't know if he's just saying that just to like dimmer down Tyson's light. With that being said, with Tyson, obviously, he was, he's an iconic man, like not just in boxing, not just in sport, but just in history.

Like, I feel like I might have been maybe naive from obviously when I first time professional. Obviously, I just wanted to emulate what Tyson did and obviously become the youngest heavyweight world champion. So I set my standards so high. I set the bar so high. And I just wanted to kind of just get to the world title as soon as possible. Obviously I wasn't able to get to the world title, but obviously I landed a Dillion White fight.

Obviously, a couple months down the line, I have a world title fight. So I don't like to kind of, I don't like the claim of becoming the second youngest every-rate champion only because like obviously second is the first loser. I don't really want, I don't really want to have that claim. It's more of the fact that I just want to show people that I'm able to do things at such a young age, you know, and I guess I kind of, I can't help the comparison with Matt Tyson. That's probably something that I probably put on my own shoulders. Have you ever met Mike Tyson or spoken to him?

Yeah, I've spoken to him. It might have been once or twice when I was in Saudi Arabia. Obviously, he's a legend. He's a legend. Did he give you any advice? Yeah, he said, not everybody's a bum and you could learn more from your losses than you do if you wins, which I thought was very interesting.

Because in my mind, I was like, I ain't even trying to lose. but you know sometimes shit happens well you've never lost which is a fascinating fact about you is added to your mythology if you like it's why people think you are the great new thing because you just don't lose how do you think you would handle a big high-profile defeat if it came to it or do you not even allow yourself to think about it do you know I thought about this question a few times and like where I am in my life I believe I think it'll be more about how I lost more than if I lost I just I just feel like it's it can never happen by the same time it could so I don't know it's one of them things I'll have to see see see how I

get or see how I deal with it when I get there but I don't I don't I don't I don't want to get there, if that makes sense. No, no, it completely makes sense. Obviously, there are big British heavyweight champions out there, Anthony Joshua, Tyson Fury. You said about Tyson Fury, we won't fight. I don't think I would want to fight him. I sparred with him.

That's enough for me. I had a privilege to speak with him when I train with. He's a very interesting man. It was a big blessing showing the ring with him, even more of a blessing asking about life, about religion, about money. To me, Tyson Fury is one of the most. most interesting people I've ever interviewed. And I can absolutely imagine the conversations you've had with him being fascinating

because he's a really fascinating guy. Why wouldn't you want to get in the ring with him? Well, how would I not want to get in the ring with Tyson Fury? Like, it's more of the fact that, like, obviously, everybody knows that Tyson Fury is, like, he's no longer in his prime. Anthony Joshua is no longer in his prime. These guys, they're all starting, obviously, they're all starting to hit the end of their careers, which obviously nature happens.

And for me to call out somebody that's like past their best, it's just kind of, I think it's a bit disrespectful. I can sit here and say obviously Tyson Furin is prime, me and my prime, it would have been, or would be a great fight, but obviously it's not going to happen. But like I've got a lot of respect for Tyson. Obviously, I've done a week in Malta, like three weeks in Saudi, two weeks in Morecam. Like, I spend a lot of time with him.

I've managed to pick his brains on a lot of things. Obviously, he's walked a path that I want to walk. So it's like, why would you not ask him? Loads of questions. And that's the same thing for Anthony Joshua. Obviously, he was training with Ben Davidson for a long time. Like, I managed to pick his brains on a few things. a few things and it's like for me like that's enough you know like um like for that as well

be disrespectful for me to say I would want to fight Anthony Joshua next Y Zad only because it's like he's he's obviously past he's obviously past his best and like what like I just think it's a bit rude to kind of to call out a legend like that especially when they've done so much in the sport that obviously I haven't yet achieved. What's the best advice the pair of them gave you? Both of them actually said get yourself a good lawyer. That's probably the first thing that came to my mind. Get yourself a good lawyer.

But yeah, there's obviously... Good advice. There's more. Anthony Joshua, like one thing that stuck with me, he said, focus on your boxing because that's ultimately prioritise your boxing because it's like that's what everything kind of falls onto.

It's like if you start going off doing this and start going off doing that, I said it might take away from your boxing. It might not affect you physically, but mentally it could. So it's like just focus on your boxing. And then, yeah, I guess Tyson Fury said something similar to that as well.

But his one was more, especially on relationships and religion and X, Y, Z. So, yeah, we've had some interesting conversations. What did Tyson tell you about relationships and religion? No, everything's got photo camera piss. I mean, he's had a very good relationship

with his wife and all his kids and stuff. Are you currently ensconced with anybody? Or you're a free single man? No, like, come on, like, everybody was once my age, to get what I mean, like, but it was obviously, You'll have to ask the people that were doing the things that I'm doing at my age, if that makes sense. Yeah, sure. It's good to ask these a lot about them because, obviously, I don't want to make the same mistakes that they've made.

Me being in a position I'm being in having to know that I could have asked them for their opinion, you know. I get it completely. Listen, you're 21 years old. My youngest son of three. of Canadians will hear the words, you have cancer. That's why every step and dollar raised matters. On September 19th, join thousands in Toronto for the Princess Margaret Cancer Foundation Walk. Challenge yourself, friends, and family to walk 21 kilometers in support of life-saving research. Together, we can carry the fire and help create a world free from the fear of cancer. Register today at pmcfwalk.ca.ca.

Three years, 25, right? You're four years younger than my youngest son. That's how old you're making me feel, Moses. But you carry yourself, if you don't mind myself, if it doesn't sound, you know, patronising, but you conduct yourself incredibly well. I'd seen other interviews you've done. I think you handled interviews very well.

You're very calm. You're very thoughtful about the way you respond to things. I think this is all very, they're very effective tools for you, because your profile is going to explode if you become World Heavyweight Champion. I mean, yeah, hopefully I get to sustain this person I am for a long time. Obviously, I know sometimes when obviously you put a bit of pressure, you obviously give somebody a bit of fame,

like it's not that they won't even become themselves, but it's like they might have to do certain things to adapt to that lifestyle. Obviously, everybody's got to find their way. I'm going to try to navigate my one as well. How important is religion to you? How important is religion to me? I think that's something that, like, you will only be able to find out with time.

I just, as of obviously right now, I'm still, I'm still obviously, I was raised a Christian. Obviously, I go to church, read the Bible, X, Y, Z. But it's just like, obviously there's something that you do because obviously you've been doing it for a kid and then there's something that you choose to do

so oh man, I'm lost and I'm still trying to find my way. Do you pray? What do you mean? Did that or do I? Do you actively do you pray? I mean, will you say a prayer before your fight for example? Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.

Like I pray with my family pray when I'll go to bed, the next y'z. Thing is though, there's my group of people, my, yeah, the group of people I hang around with all different religions, so it does get a bit sticky when it's like before a fight, obviously when we make a prayer, it's like everybody's different religions, and it's like, what do you do?

But I think everybody's got enough respect to, I guess, kind of join in. When I was doing The Apprentice with Lennox in New York, I said to Mjian, and when you go out and about, do you get into fights with people because you're the world heavyweight champion? He went, of course. I said, really? I said, well, often he went, yeah. I said, what happens? He went, dude, what do you think happens? In other words, he used to bang him over.

I mean, do you go out? Do you get into scrap? Does anyone have the stupidity of trying to? to take you on in a bar or anything? I hear it. You know, when I was boxing as a schoolboy, and I was the heaviest one of everyone, and all the Littalans used to pick on me

because they tried to assert their dominance to be like, I'm going to pick on the big guy, and then obviously everybody else will, everybody else will respect me. So it's like everybody had that forte. forte so obviously there's one or two slaps you got to give out but nothing too crazy I can't even imagine what a slap from you is like Moses oh man if you might you might have to ask my my my my peers from when we went to

we went to a couple of tournaments you sometimes obviously you got a show but like on at the end of day you don't obviously want to abuse that because yeah It just gets long. Do you think that you are the best heavyweight in the world right now? And the reason I'm asking is that Alexander Uzik, who is a great heavyweight champion, I think will be one of the all-time greats. He said he doesn't want to fight you. He said he doesn't want to break you.

Do you think Uzik could break you or do you think it might be the other way around if you got in a ring? Absolutely not. I don't, yeah, again, there's obviously something where it's like, okay, cool, I got to respect music because obviously he's done a lot of things that I haven't done. Obviously, at the same time, I'm not obviously just going to sit here and obviously agree to everything that comes out of his mouth. Obviously, I've got a lot of respect for him and his team. Do I think I'm the best heavyweight? Yes, I just, I don't feel like I've proved it yet. yet, and obviously Usyk has proved what he's capable of.

So slowly but surely, I think people, it might be one of them questions where it's like, are in their prime Moses-Tam or Alexander Usyk, who could have win? But yeah, obviously as of right now, if I had to say that I'm gonna smash Uzek up, it's like, it's a bit arrogant and it's a bit, it's not right for me to say because obviously

I haven't beat the caliber of opponents that he's beat. That's very, I think that's very measured of you. I think if someone said to me, I'm going to break you, that's why I don't want to fight you. I'd say, well, go on then. Let's have a go. Oh man, seems like you ain't been punched in the face, Pierce. Actually, I have been punched in the face by Jeremy Clarkson.

It didn't carry quite the power that a punch you would carry. Yeah, the scar on my head is actually from his, is this scar on my head is actually from his right fist. Yeah, 20 years ago. I can't see you. I can't see you, but I mean, I'm sure when I watch the back, I see you. It's a little scar above my temple, yeah. I think it was...

From top gear? Yes. Yes, that Jeremy Clark thing, yeah. Can I ask? That was the last fight I had. Well, it was a long story, Moses, but I wouldn't say I was entirely undeserving of it. But it wasn't the most for... It's when he hit me for the third time, and I said to,

I sent him after the third punch. Is that it? My three-year-old hits me harder than that. Which I think probably something. Also, he broke his little finger. He got caught with a free piece. He broke his... Yeah, but it's because I wasn't hitting him back.

But the third one, he actually broke his little finger on my head. So if you ever meet him, check his... I think it's his left little finger because it's disfigured. So we both have our scars. It happens, isn't it? It's been great talking to. You have to suffer the consequences. It does.

Yeah, my brothers were not happy. I didn't hit him back, but I was sober and he wasn't. We have a thing in common. We're both massive Arsenal, the Premier League champions. Where were you when we won the Premier League? And do you think we're going to win it again this season? Where was that when Arsenal won the Premier League? That's a great question.

I would not have a clue. It was a Tuesday night when City played Bournemouth. Do you remember it was a Tuesday night? And it was about five days before we got the trophy. And I remember because I was at home. One of my sons went up to the Emirates. It was crazy stuff going on that night. You don't remember where you were.

I would not have a clue, honestly. Yeah, I'll have to go back to a specific date. My life is hectic. I wouldn't, I wouldn't really be able to tell you. Do I think Arsenal are going to win it again? Yeah, I think we've got a good chance. I think we do. Man City do look good all the time, though, isn't it? But yeah, I think we could.

There's a lot of Arsenal players with Nigerian heritage right now. Do you feel an affinity with those guys? I don't know, Piz. I don't know, it's just one of them things in it. It's like if we ever cross past, we cross past. We don't. It's just, yeah, it's unfortunate. But obviously some certain things can be forced, but yeah, obviously it has to be authentic, you know. I'm not just going to be mates with someone just because obviously they're Nigerian.

Like, I'll have to obviously get on with that person and so I mean. I think you get on very well with them. People like Bikaya, Saka and those guys, they're like you. They're humble. They speak well. They come from very good parents. They're actually, most of them, I think, are Christians too. I'm very impressed by them.

I think it's one of the reasons why Arsenal are doing so well is they have a lot of players from very good backgrounds who have been brought up the right way. I think you have too, Moses. Just finally, how do your parents feel about the big fight coming and the possibility that their boy is going to become world champion? I would not even know if they're known. I don't think my parents know.

But my dad, he was like, what did he say? He was like, he wanted to call my coaches because he wanted to discuss the tactics with them because his friends from back home in Nigeria I've told him something. And he was like, yes, we must discuss the tactics. I will come down and I will tell him, you have to give him a hard punch in round one.

so in round 10 he cannot stand. Just like, this is my dad, do you know what I mean? He's like, you must attack the body to slow him down and then you finish it up. That's literally, that's literally my dad. But my mom, I think my mom has just got faith in me no matter what. Like even when I was boxing the Europeans as an amateur, my mom's like, oh, my son will beat all these boys.

She was like even like when I remember in a couple of my couple of, I think I remember I was boxing turkey. And then I was like, mom, that's what I'm boxing. And then she was like, oh, you will beat this fat boy. And I was just like, that's what the type of smoke that my parents are on. It was fantastic. You had a great line about your mom that she reminded you of one of Ivan Drago. his family from the Rocky movie. Yeah, I mean, that's kind of what it is.

Like, growing up where my mom grew up, it's like, it's just cold. And it's like in the mountains, it's like 1,000 meters above altitude. It's just like them, you know what? I say it's a horrible place, yeah. It's not, it's a lovely place, especially during the summer. But when it just hits winter and it's like minus 15, 20, snowing. It's just horrible. Well, it's a bit different in England right now,

where it's heading to its fifth heat wave of the summer. Things will get very hot for you if you win on August the 29th, Moses. It's been a great pleasure to interview you. Thank you very much for your time. Best of luck on August of 29th. Thank you. And the next time I interview you, I confidently expect you to be world champion.

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