Piers Morgan Uncensored - 'Ms. Rachel Is a National Treasure!' Antisemite Of The Year Debate | With Ana Kasparian

Episode Date: December 4, 2025

It’s that special time of year again, when the Stop Antisemitism advocacy group announces their nominees for Antisemite of the Year - and there’s a few very familiar faces on there. Many are noticing that the entry criteria has expanded to include anybody who criticises Israel, meaning Uncensored contributors Ana Kasparian, Cenk Uygur and Tucker Carlson are all included. But the name getting all the buzz is children’s YouTube sensation Ms. Rachel Glenn Greenwald says: “Her crime is speaking sympathetically of Gazan children.” If she wins, will it set a dangerous precedent? Joining Piers Morgan to discuss the awards are nominees Ana Kasparian and Guy Christensen - plus Israeli influencer and author Hen Mazzig and the ‘Red, White and Blue Jew’ Jake Donnelly. Piers Morgan Uncensored is proudly independent and supported by: Oxford Natural: To watch their full stories, scan the QR code on your screen or visit https://oxfordnatural.com/piers/ to get 70% off your first order when you use code PIERS. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

For two years, she's flooded her platform with one-size children, and when it comes to Israeli children, she offers crumbs. If that isn't humanitarian, it's selective empathy. If you're going to be a children's entertainer, you shouldn't have somebody on your show who glorifies the murder of 38 Israeli children. Miss Rachel is an American. God bless her. Jewish parents are really afraid

because they're showing their kids how to write the letter M. And on the side, they're getting a video with Moat. Aziza who celebrates Hamas. That's very concerning. It's very hard to not conclude that you were anti-Semitic. It's reaction to the genocide. You couldn't bear it anymore. No, no, it's just cold-blooded murder. That's what it is. I agree it's murder. Okay. So then he's a terrorist then, right? No, he's not a terrorist. What is he? He's a murderer. He's reacting to the genocide.

Yeah, sure, he's a murderer. It's that special time of year again. Nominees are making their case and rehearsing their speeches. Everyone's having their say on who should get the top prize. Anti-Semite of a year began six years ago as what seemed to be a well-meaning campaign to highlight prominent people who had done or said things which were anti-Semitic. But I'm not alone in noticing that the entry criteria fixed by the Stop Anti-Semitism Advocacy Group has expanded to pretty much anyone who criticizes the Israeli government. This year's shortlist includes a couple of people who have peddled genuine anti-Semitic tropes and a lot of people, including Czech Yuga,

Anna Kasparian and Tucker Carlson, who, to my knowledge, have not. But there's one name getting all the award season buzz this year. Can you help me teach them to stop? What a special day! We're so smart! Let's pretend that while we're having fun with bubbles, Bean starts to pee. Bean, you're peeing on the floor. Pea goes in the potty.

Let's walk to the potty. Yes, it's Miss Rachel, the massively popular children's YouTuber who teaches toddlers, amongst many other things. how do you use the potty. Critics say she belongs on the list because she's used her enormous platform to advance Hamas propaganda. She posted this video featuring one of her most popular songs to highlight a three-year-old Garzan refugee who lost her legs in an Israeli air strike. Glenn Greenwald, who is Jewish, posted yesterday, most people now see that anti-Semitism has no operational meaning beyond one who criticizes Israel. But having Ms. Rachel Wynne will make that

clearer, even for the few who don't yet see it. Her crime is speaking simply. sympathetically in giles and children. Vote, Ms. Rachel. Well, does he have a point? Do you want to me to debate this? A 2025 anti-Semite of the year nominee alongside Ms. Rachel, Anna Kasparean, who's also the executive producer and hosted at the Young Turks. Jake Donnelly, aka the red, white and blue Jew,

Henn Mazzik, Israeli influencer and author. So welcome to all of you. All right, let's start with you, Anna Kasparian. You're on the list. You've been nominated. How do you feel about that? I feel fine about it. it because obviously the list is not one that actually contains real anti-Semites.

It's a list that contains individuals who are sometimes very aggressively critical of a foreign country, a foreign country's government, and that would be the country that's currently engaging in multiple wars in an effort to annex more land and territory that doesn't belong to them. And of course, that's Israel. And if anyone's under the impression that putting me on lists is going to dissuade me from speaking the truth about what's going on in the Middle East. They'd sadly be mistaken. And I know a little information about the grotesque woman behind Stop Antisemitism,

which we can talk about a little bit if you'd like. But I feel fine about being included in that list. And Miss Rachel is a national treasure. Well, let's come to the case against her before I go to my other panelist. The Stop Anti-Semitism citation for Ms. Rachel's nomination states since earlier this year, Ms. Rachel has published Hamas propaganda to millions, sharing debunked images, inflated casualty claims, and almost entirely ignoring Israeli child victims. What point to you, Jake Donnelly? She's entitled if she wants to give more attention to kids in Gaza than Israeli kids.

If she completely ignored what has happened to Israeli children, that's one thing. But if she's acknowledged it, but chosen to give more of her time to Gaza and she's, children, that doesn't make her anti-Semitic. No, it doesn't. And first up, Pierce, thank you so much for having me on. I really do appreciate the opportunity to speak about this. What makes her anti-Semitic is her relationship with Motes, Azaza. Because if you're going to be a children's entertainer,

you shouldn't have somebody on your show who glorifies the murder of 38 Israeli children. That doesn't make any sense to me. And any parent that puts their child in front of somebody like that so that she can push her propaganda, use fake AI images. AI imagery in order to do so and to continue to just publish everywhere. The Hamas run numbers, 14,000 imminent starving children. I've yet to see where any of those are. Yeah, that is what makes you an anti-Semite. So it's not necessarily the one-sided stuff that she does, but when you go and you talk about all of the children, well, okay, why don't you talk about the 12 children that were

murdered by His Bala, the Drew's children who are simply playing soccer? She says, that she cares about all of the children. But I don't see that. In fact, I see what she's doing as a political game. And I'd rather call this stuff out in 1933 than call it out in November 1938. And that's what I'm seeing. And also, to be clear, then, all right.

But to be clear, if that is your criteria is that she shows selective empathy. And we'll come to the issue of Motaz Azza in a moment. But if that's your criteria, should we then apply the same criteria to any pro-Israeli commentator on social media or on the airways, whatever it may be, who has shown selective empathy towards a plight of Israeli children

but never addressed the plight of Palestinian children. Are they Islamophobic? I think, well, those were two different questions. So for somebody like me, let's just take my case, you will see on my actual X page that I am constantly republishing, reposting, and commenting on the Center for Peace Communications, which are the people who are pushing the Palestinian people who are pushing the Palestinians, that are against both Hamas as well as the Palestinian authority.

So when it comes to people who are acting entirely one-sided, I don't want any of that. We have Anna here, and actually, from my opinion, Anna is not the worst of the worst by any stretch of the imagination. Do you believe she's anti-Semitic? No, I do not. I do not believe that Anna is anti-Semitic. I think that she can sometimes be easily manipulated and push the same Hamas-run Ministry of Health numbers. And out of interest, out of interest, Jane. I'll talk about, let's talk about data. No, no, no, no, no. I get to respond to that. Let's talk about data from the IDF, the IDF's internal data. I don't read American media on what's happening in the Middle East. I actually like to read Israeli media because they're super honest and I really appreciate their honesty. So Israeli papers got a hold of the IDF's internal data in regard to civilian casualties in Gaza and their own data in

indicates 83% of people slaughtered in Gaza, 83% are civilians. Israel, the IDF just shot and killed. Stop, don't interrupt me. IDF just shot and killed an 8-year-old and an 11-year-old in Gaza, claiming that they had crossed the yellow line when no such thing happened, and they tried to make it seem as though an 8-year-old and an 11-year-old are literal militants deserving of the type of slaughter they were met with.

Okay, listen, I am not going to sit here and just stomach the ridiculous propaganda lies that keeps getting regurgitated over and over and over again. You guys have to find better talking points. You really do, because these have been debunked over and over again on this show. And they will continue to be debunked on this show, on my show. Americans aren't stupid. They see what's happening. The evidence is abundantly clear. What's amazing to me is the dehumanization of every.

every human life that isn't Israeli or isn't in favor of what that disgusting genocidal government is up to. Okay. Look, we've had some tech issues, Jake, with your signal. So we're trying to fix that. Let me go to Hen Mazze. Divine intervention, must be. Well, Hem Mazze, you'd be listening to this. What is your response to what Anna does say? Yeah, it's rich to speak about demonization from a person that said that all Israelis should be ashamed of themselves, that we are demons, that the Jewish lobby control. the US, that Israel is a Nazi state. The Jewish lobby does control the US.

Okay, all right. So just prove my point, thanks. The problem is that you are not able to look in the mirror and see who you are and what you're doing to the Jewish community. And why the Jewish community is calling you out for the way you are harming us. Instead of listening and trying to change your ways, you're doubling down. And as long as you're going to do that, yes, we are going to continue calling you what you are and saying that what you're doing is really harming our community.

Our community. So what's disgusting here, Anna, is that you are unable to hear to a minority community telling you that your words have contributed to an atmosphere that gets our people killed outside of our synagogues. Because of your words, because of statements that you said that others like you have said. They weren't included on the anti-Semite list, by the way. The guy who killed two Israeli embassy workers, the guy who killed two Israeli embassy workers this year, okay, the actual anti-Semite who murdered people, didn't make it on the list. Fascinating. Right. So, Hen, do you think that Anna is anti-Semitic?

I think that the words are deeply anti-Semitic. I think she has contributed to an atmosphere that gets our people killed. And I think it's totally legitimate to call this out. And if a minority community is telling you this, you should listen to us. And yes, maybe this person that- But hang on, hang on.

So let me just stop you there, because I've been branded anti-Semitic, okay, but a lot of people on social media. And I've defended you, peers. Right, because I deeply resented. Because as everybody remembers, you watches this show, for many, many, many long months after the October of the 7th attacks, I vigorously and loudly defended Israel's right to defend itself. This year, from the start of this year onwards, I began to be more and more critical of the Israeli government.

Not of Israeli people, not of Israel, wasn't denying its existence, there wasn't attacking Jewish people or Israeli people, specifically the government, Benjamin Netanyahu, and also specifically the right. right-wing headbangers in that government like Smodrich and Bengavir. And for my troubles, despite painstakingly making it clear, who was the object of my criticism? I was regularly branded anti-Semitic. So I do believe it's something that's been thrown around way too much.

It's done in a deliberate, concerted effort to shut people up from criticizing anything that Israel's doing. So yes, there is genuine anti-Semitism. No question. I think it's been rising in the last two, three years, which is appalling, but throwing it around to silence people, I'm not accusing you, I'm just saying this is what I've been on receiving end, is it's just being used as a stick to censor people and to shut them up. And I think that's abhorrent.

And I agree with that. I'm not saying that, yes, some people use anti-Semitism too widely and in a wide brush that they shouldn't have to do it. And I think it's true for every minority community. As a gay person, I see how people use the term homophobic quite casually to say anyone that has any criticism of LGBTQ people is homophobic, I understand that it's not like that. And it's the same with anti-Semitism.

But that doesn't take away from the severity of people making statements that end up, as Anna mentioned, you know, the same statements that we hear from them are the ones that are being used to shoot Jews outside of our Holocaust Museum in DC. And what about Ms. Rachel? Do you think she's anti-Semitic? I don't think she's anti-Semitic, but I think she's really misguided. And I think the fact that when she hosted Muatis Aziza that celebrated Hamas, on her platform. And then when Jews called her out, she said, calling, trying to defend starving children

is not anti-Semitism. It played directly into a medieval blood libel that says that Jews are trying to kill children. And we use anti-Semitism to stop her from trying to stop us. We're not silencing her. We're calling her out. We're calling her in, rather. And if she just listened to us and have this conversation,

if Anna just listen to us and have a conversation, instead of screaming every time she hears Jewish person, criticize her, I'm sure that next year she wouldn't be on the latest. Well, let me read Ms. Rachel's response on Instagram to this nomination. She said, I'm so thankful to Jewish organizations, rabbis, friends, colleagues, and family for standing by me. I'm against anti-Semitism and all forms of hate and racism. I'm incredibly proud of my work to help Palestinian children.

With 20,000 Palestinian children killed, most child amputees in modern history, homes, schools, hospitals bond, 17,000 orphans, everyone. should be speaking out. She also went on CNN's Ammanpur show and told Christian Ammanpoor some more of her thoughts about this. It was two months ago. Let's take a look. What was it that made you step out and support these children in Gaza? How could I not seeing what was happening on our screens, hearing from Save the Children who had firsthand accounts, knowing that so many children, were losing their lives.

It's up to over 18,000 children. So as an early childhood educator, I know what children need. They need food. It's being blocked. They need water. It's being blocked. They need to be in school.

Their schools have been bombed. They need medical care. I know what children need to thrive. And I know what holds them back. And it was very clear to me, along with so many others in our country and around the world, that it's so critical to speak of. And she also addressed the criticism she'd faced.

This was before this, obviously, this new nomination came out. Were you ever worried? Because even before you spoke up, it was a hornet's nest of controversy, the idea of speaking up for, let's face it, Palestinian children after October 7th. I'm not an expert in that area, but I knew that I'm an expert in child development. I have two masters in education. I've worked with children my whole life for 20 years. Seeing the images of the children,

there was no question that it was the right thing to say something. Okay, so Jake, when you hear what she says there and you read her statement, she's very keen to stress she's not anti-Semitic, she doesn't hate Jewish people. So why would she be targeted in this way? Well, we've already discussed it. when you are a children entertainer and you bring somebody on who glorifies a day in which 38 children were murdered,

well, we're going to have some questions as to... But I've had people, but my response to that is I've had many guests on here on the pro-Palestinian side, not who've glorified October the 7, but certainly you've refused to condemn it. So does that make me anti-Semitic for giving them a platform?

No, you're a journalist, you're not a children's entertainer, although sometimes it can get pretty childish on this show. But that's not the case here. And if we're talking about anti-Semitism, what actually constitutes anti-Semitism, we already have something on this show where Anna says that 83%. That's just those who were identified. That is a misleading statistic.

And either, Anna, you know how to read statistics or 83% of those slaughtered in Gaza were identified as civilians by the IDF. So you're not reading the statistic correctly. No, no, no, no, no, 83% were identified as civilians by the IDF according to Israeli papers. Everyone check that out. Yeah, everyone can googly. You have no argument because the truth is on my side. And I know that's so difficult. So stop embarrassing yourself.

Well, Anna, let me ask you though. Anna, let me ask Anna this. Hang on, let me ask Anna this question. Was it unwise of Ms. Rachel to be so outspoken about this? Not because she's not entitled to or it's not an incredibly important issue, but the fact she is a children's entertainment with a huge, huge audience. was it unwise of her to get overtly political like this? The days of Zionists bullying Americans into silence is over.

Put that in your pipe and smoke. That's a different question, though. I'd like to read a quote. I'd like to read a quote. The biggest bully on the internet is talking about bullying. Give me a break. Ms. Rachel is an American. God bless her.

And as an American, she has afforded the freedom to speak out against injustice. Hang on. So do I think it's wise? No, no, no. Obviously, I think it's wise. No one's doubting her right. No one's doubting her right to say it. But it's whether it's... Answered your question, I think it's wise.

Because they're going to call everyone an anti-Semite. What would you say? As long as you're not bowing down to the government of Israel, they're going to call you an anti-Semite. They don't even care about the value of Jewish lives here in the United States. If those Jewish individuals are critical of Israel, it's all about Israel. This is about an ideology, not about an ideology. an identity, a heritage, a religion, or an ethnicity.

Make sure you realize that. Okay. But if it was a weaponizing anti-Semitism for Israel's purposes is so disgusting. But if it was a children's entertainer who was pro-Israeli. Yeah. Oh, and I would have. What would you say and be honest about this? If she is showing the humanity of Israeli children, why would I have a problem with that?

Oh, come on. Really? And Pierce, you've had me on this show multiple times. Yeah, I'm 100%. But if you deem, if you deem she only cared about his... multiple times. Right. But if you, if you deans she can- Pierce, do you know what year it is? Pierce, do you know what year it is? Okay, it's not October 7th, 2023. Since then, over two and a half years later, tens of thousands of children

have been slaughtered on the Palestinian side. Yeah, but that's not my question. So when they bring up, what about, what about, what about, what about, what about, everyone condemns what happened to Israeli civilians on October 7th. I have done that on this show. Anna, you're answering a different done that on this show. Yeah, I'm not questioning. The thing is, the two individuals on this panel right now do not care about Palestinian life. I don't think, I don't believe that's true. I don't believe that's true.

So-called anti-Semitism. I don't believe that's true, but my question was, my question. They don't care. Let me read you a quote then. Let me talk, Anna. Let me talk. Let me talk. Let me talk.

Let me talk. Let me talk. Tally Gottlie Gottlieb says, we have no hostages left. We no longer have to be precise as if the IDF was ever precise in Gaza. We can attack without mercy. merciless, merciless. What are the two individuals on this panel have to say about that? Disgusting genocidal rhetoric.

Okay, but I just want you to answer my question first, which is actually specifically about whether a children's entertainer with a massive reach, if they were promoting the pro-Israeli position on this war and not really mentioning the Palestinian side, no, I would not think that's a good idea. So you would not like that to happen? If they're promoting genocide, I would not like that.

If they were just, if they were being supportive of Israel, but they weren't mentioning the Palestinian plight much, what would you say about that? Would you think it's appropriate for children's entertainer? I would say that sounds a lot like American media. But my point would be that I think you would be very critical if a children's entertainer was overtly pro-Israeli. That's the point.

So is there a double standard here? On both sides, by the way, I've seen it on both sides. Is there a double standard in how you apply it to this kind of story where if it was the other way round, would you be so vehement in your defensive? I suspect not, right? Today's show is sponsored by Oxford Natural, makers of the optimum day and optimum night

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Get 70% off with the code peers. Probably not, no, because it totally ignores the fact that since that's intellectually honest, the vast majority of children who have been murdered. You can disagree with her. And maimed. At least you've been honest that you would feel differently

about it if it was the other way around. I mean, this is the point I would make Hen about this. And I think this applies to a lot of the stuff in this war. There is a lot of double standard going on, right? A lot of people are much more angry

if it's their side in this kind of situation than if it's the other side. I remember Galgado getting hammered, you know, for being pro-Israeli in Hollywood. And whatever you think of it, I'm not a massive fan of hers,

but she got a disproportionate amount of abuse for being pro-Israeli to people who've spoken out on the side of the Palestinians. So I do think there's a lot of hypocrisy flies around about the condemnation that goes on here. And I do wonder if Miss Rachel had been spouting pro-Israeli sentiment and people believed it was disproportionate to her pro-Palestinian, whether everyone currently racing to defender would have defended her. Right, of course not. And I think the problem is that Miss Rachel has, what, 18 million subserviential.

on her YouTube channel. It was the most successful Netflix opening show, her children's show. And I think Jewish parents are really afraid because they're showing their kids how to write the letter M. And on the side, they're getting a video with Muatis Aziza who celebrates Hamas.

That's very concerning. And to pretend that this is not the issue, it's just to, you know, it's the same old tired, tired talking points that it's Israeli government. It's just, they're trying to silence us. I don't think we're trying to silence Ms. Rachel or anyone. We're raising real concerns. Do you accept 10, as many people will be watching this saying,

but Anna's got a point, right? The number of Palestinian kids that have been killed is exponentially higher than any number of Israeli children who've been killed in this war. Absolutely. By a multiple of tens of thousands, right? Yeah. I'm just not going to count bodies.

For me, every child that is killed is horrible. And yes, I fully condemn the fact that Palestinian children were killed in Gaza and there's still conflict going on. And I hope with all my heart that there will be a different government, that the Israeli government would be replaced and that we will have a better future for both Israelis and Palestinian children. And I fully agree that there's double standards and hypocrisy on both sides. I think people that are just pulling us to the sides and to the extreme like Anna and others

are not helping us. Israelis and Palestinians deserve peace and coexistence and humanity. All right. Well, let me bring in another guest. Stop anti-Semitism and put Guy Christensen, a pro-Palestinian TikTok influencer on the list too, because he openly endorsed and glorified the murder of two Israeli embassy employees in a Washington, D.C. shooting. So the timeline of that was in May this year, a gunman named Elias Rodriguez murdered two employees of Israeli embassy in Washington, D.C., reportedly chanted free-free Palestine.

Now, you didn't want to appear as part of the panel, Guy Christensen, so we'll get their reaction after I've spoken to you. But it's very hard to not conclude that you were anti-Semitic. I mean, you were actively supporting an attack on two innocent people in Washington, D.C. I'm sorry, how is that anti-Semitic? Elias Rodriguez was a natural reaction to genocide. Well, no, you're actively supporting somebody cold-bloodedly murdering two civilians. They're not civilians. They work for the state of Israel.

Well, they are civilians. They're not in the military. They work for the state of Israel on the advanced Zionist project on behalf of the state. I think that's criminal. Any diplomat, anywhere in the world is fair game for you. I mean, it's fair game for Israel. Right. But that's anti-Semitism, isn't it?

You're targeting them because there are Israeli differences. No, they're not. That is not the same as being Jewish. In fact, I think neither were Jewish. One of them was Christian and the other, I believe, was the atheist. And they did work for the state of Israel. So I stand by what I said. I do not condemn that.

But, peers, I hope you know that we have a, do you know what the ACLU is? I hope you do. The what? The ACLU. Yes, of course. Yeah, of course. We have a case going on suing over the fallout from this. Right. Because I was being smeared as violent, inciting violence, celebrating this murder,

none of which is true, and we're going to win this case. Well, I think you, I mean, look, I don't want to preempt your case. But when you say this murderer was not a terrorist, he's a resistance fighter, and when you restate your belief that the shooting is being used to weaponize violence against Palestinians, but we will meet it with our own greater resistance and escalation, Clearly, people will see that as a direct threat against other civilians. Why do you think resistance happens? It's not resistance, it's terrorism.

When you cold-bloodedly murder people in the street in D.C. As a response to a war that was going on in Gaza, that is terrorism. It's reaction to the genocide. He couldn't bear it anymore. No, no, it's just cold-blooded murder. That's what it is. It's murder. I agree with that.

You agree as murder? I never encourage anyone. I agree it's murder. Okay. So then there's a terror. terrorists then, right? No, he's not a terrorist. What is he? He's a murderer. He's reacting to the genocide. Yeah, sure, he's a murderer. And he's murdering for... I'm not going to condemn him. Do you accept he was murdering for... Do you accept he was murdering for torn apart Palestinian children?

Sorry, wait a minute, wait a minute. Do you accept that he was murdering for political reasons? Yeah, I believe so. Okay, then that's a terrorist. That's literally the definition of a terrorist. You don't even know what terrorism is, do you? Here's... Well, guy, you did, I'm sorry, and it's not funny. with all due respect, you obviously have no idea what the word terrorism means. That is literally the definition. The word terrorism means nothing. Everyone understands that. Just like the word anti-Semite means nothing when they give it to someone like Ms. Rachel.

You've literally just called him a terrorist having denied him the terrorist. Right. You've literally just said, sorry, Guy, with respect, let me speak. Let me speak. Just to be clear, when I said to you, did he murder these people? You said yes. And when I said, did he do it for political reasons? you said yes, that is the definition of terrorism,

and yet your response at the time was he's not a terrorist, he's a resistance fighter. And I put it to you, I put it to you, you have now admitted he's a terrorist. No, he's a resistance fighter. It's very clear. Resistance fighters are not terrorists. The Palestinian resistance is not terrorist.

They're resistance fighters. He murdered for political reasons. He's a terrorist, by your own definition. I mean, October 7th happened for political reasons. I don't understand what this gotcha is. It's not really a gotcha. It's not a gotcha. I just don't think you know what a terrorist is.

So when you say he wasn't a terrorist, actually, literally, he was a terrorist. He was waging terror by murdering people for political reasons. That is terrorism. You don't know that, do you? No, it's a reaction to genocide. And I condemn the genocide. That's not what you said in your answer.

Or else we're going to see more attacks like this. People are going to watch this back and go, hang on a second. You said he wasn't a terrorist, but he murdered. Being blown apart. He murdered two diplomats. And they can't stand seeing it any longer. So, of course, things like this are going to happen. We must end the genocide, so we end all of the violence that comes with it.

Right. You know, this genocide is poison on the world. So now you've established he committed an act of terrorism. Do you condemn it? No, I do not condemn it. I stand by you support terrorism. What's funny about that? Because that's not what I said.

You've supported somebody who murdered people by your own admission for political reasons. by your own omission. No, I condemn him. Literally, that is what terrorism is. I did not think it was useful to condemn him because it's a reaction to the genocide. So you don't condemn terrorists? I don't, this is a gotcha.

I don't condemn. It's not a gotcha. You're gottering yourself. I don't condemn the reaction to the genocide. You've literally admitted he murdered people for political reasons. That is a terrorist. And so you support terrorism.

Resistance fighter. He's a resistance fighter. But you admitted he's a terrorist? I didn't admit he's a terrorist, Pierce. Can we move on? If somebody murders someone for political reasons, they are a terrorist. Do you not know that? He's a resistance fighter, Lyser Degas.

But he murdered people for political reasons. That's what you told me. Yeah, I believe he murdered for political reasons. So he's a terrorist? No, he's not a terrorist. You're very confused, aren't you, guy? This word, no, I'm not confused. You're very confused because you don't seem to understand what a terrorist is.

So it's not surprising. that you're confused about whether you should condemn it or not. Do you believe the Palestinian resistance fighters are terrorists, all of them? Pierce. What was that, sorry? Do you believe the Palestinian resistance fighters are all terrorists, Pierce? I think all the ones that invaded Israel, October the 7th, the terrorists, yeah. Okay, so you cannot resist the occupation, the domination, the genocide and apartheid.

Terrorism is terrorism wherever it happens, whatever the reason is terrorism. Okay, terrorism is nothing. Three thousand Hamas terrorists invaded Israel and committed. mass murder, it was an act of grotesque terrorism. Anyone who says differently is defending terrorism. Most of the people they murdered were Israeli war criminals, IDF soldiers. Actually, most of them were civilians, innocent people. And they kidnapped, they kidnapped a baby, they kidnapped holical survivors.

It was disgusting. How many brutal terrorism? And your attempt to justify it and defend it is actually making you complacent in the terrorism. Do you condemn Israel for holding thousands of Palestinian hostages right now? I've condemned Israel for many things in this war. Yes. I'm happy to condemn the genocide. I'm happy to condemn both sides.

What I find I'm really struggling with is a lot of people have ideological views. They spew out thinking they know something about this situation. It's just humanity versus evil. Yeah, I know. But then on the other hand, on the other hand, you think it's fine to murder innocent people in the street, in D.C. for political reasons, which is an act of terrorism.

You think that's fine. Don't preach to me, with all due respect, do not preach to me about humanity when you have zero humanity about the victims of that terrorist attack. I can't believe you would ever say that. Well, your humanity is only one... I do not encourage that.

Your humanity is one-sided. Yeah. In fact, I think it was, you know, contrary to the movement. As you understand, I was worried about it sparking are being used to justify a crackdown. So why would I encourage it or want it to happen?

You literally said we will meet it with our own greater resistance and escalation. Do you know what I advocate for on my platform? I know what you're advocating for on my platform. So you don't. You're defending political murder, which is terrorism. Literally, that's what you're doing. You just don't realize it. I know I just didn't condemn it.

That's all peers. That's a reaction to genocide. So you don't condemn terrorism. I stand with what I said. One last time, to be clear, you accept. and I will never ever condemn the Palestinian but you don't condemn it. How dare you say that?

Two years into this genocide, this is disgusting. Okay, just to be clear, one last chance I'll give you. No, I don't need another chance. I'm not going to condemn resistance. You've admitted it was politically motivated murder, which is terrorism. Do you condemn it? I do not condemn it. Okay.

Guy Christensen, thank you very much. Let's go back to the panel. Well, I don't think he shouted himself in glory there, did he, Jake Donnelly because he seemed to have no concept of what terrorism is. He literally admitted the guy who committed an act of terrorism, politically motivated murder, wouldn't condemn it because he doesn't think that's terrorism. If anybody on my side performed that poorly, I would ask them to get off social media,

never be a voice for my side ever again. And I think it's actually phenomenally hilarious that the guy committed, honestly, career suicide just now because he did his own fake death hope. when he was back in high school. So you know what? It's the second time. You know, let me bring Anna in.

Anna, the thing is, I thought that was pathetic that interview. This is a guy who doesn't even really understand what the word terrorism means. So, all right, he's what he is. But I can understand why somebody like him would be on that list after that interview. I don't understand why you are. I've never heard you be, to my mind, anti-Semitic.

I don't think Ms. Rachel is anti-Semitic. I think she was probably ill-advetic. ill-advised to platform Motaz Azza. I can accept that criticism of her, but her statement seems pretty unequivocal to me. My view is anti-Semites don't hide it. They're quite happy to be anti-Semitic. They're quite happy.

They're quite happy to say they hate Jewish people, right? I mean, it's a bit like all these things. It's like proper racist, don't hide it. They're quite happy to say they hate people because of their skin color. Proper homophobes don't hide. So this is why I hate these tags being applied. to people when they're making legitimate criticism of governments or institutions or whatever.

There's a world of difference. And if someone says emphatically, I'm not anti-Semitic, I have no problem with Jewish people, then I don't know why we wouldn't believe them. This they've said things to the contrary. Well, Pierce, let me give you an analogy because I think this will help you kind of understand my worldview and how I grew up, how I was raised. So I'm Armenian, at least my heritage is, both my parents are Armenian. And growing up, of course, we spoke about the Armenian genocide.

And I've heard all of the stories. I know what happened to my ancestors in the Armenian genocide. And when I was in fifth grade, for the first time in my life, I met the first Turkish person, a Turkish student by the name of Tanya, who, you know, came to America and was one of my classmates. Because I knew about what happened to Armenians in the genocide, I started bullying her. And I got sent home. And my parents, you know, they're a little old school. so the corporal punishment is not frowned upon.

So, but my parents basically told me they're like, what you did is disgusting. Hating someone simply because they're Turkish is wrong. And what you have to do is look at the system, the government, the entities that carried it out. You can't blame it on the entire Turkish population. This is just a little girl, and what you did is wrong and hateful. In fact, you're lowering your.

lowering yourself to the same type of thinking that the genociders had engaged in. And I kept that lesson with me throughout my entire life. So when I had an opportunity to work at the young Turks, and I knew that even Jank Ugar, who I love and respect, did not acknowledge the Armenian genocide, I had a decision to make. Do I hate this man and just write him off? Or do I engage in conversation? And throughout the years, through the debates we had, he absolutely changed his mind, realized he was wrong, now acknowledges the Armenian genocide.

But the point that I'm trying to make with that is you have to judge people as individuals. If you don't do that, then you are guilty of the same hate, the same racism, the same Islamophobia that the current Israeli government is engaging in. And so I refuse to let people win and turn me into a hateful, disgusting bigot. That is not who I am. I know who I am in my heart. and I'm always going to speak out against injustice, including the injustice of two embassy workers getting shot down in cold blood. No one should refer to that as freedom fighting, period. That is terrorism, and I think he admitted it without even realizing he admitted it.

You know, some people on this list, Stu Peters, for example, in January 2024, said the gas chambers, the crematorium so often discussed, they were destroyed at the end of World War II. If they were ever there in the first place and questioned the official death toll of the Holocaust, that is anti-Semitism. when you deny the Holocaust, when you try and suggest that these gas chambers and crematoriums may never have been there in the first place, you are genuinely, in my opinion, anti-Semitic and thoroughly deserve to be on that list.

But the other names on there, I think devalue the credibility of this list, and that's just the people I know about. Thank you all very much for debate. I appreciate it. Thank you, Pierce. Pierce Morgan Uncensored is proudly independent. The only boss around here is me. If you enjoy our show, we ask us.

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