Piers Morgan Uncensored - Mystery Of The Pyramids Of Giza: Piers Morgan's Top Egyptology Moments!

Episode Date: August 18, 2025

The Pyramids of Giza continue to be a source of endless wonder and fascination - and centuries after they appeared, scholars still disagree about how they were constructed. Over the last year, Piers Morgan has spoken to some of the world's most knowledgable experts in all things Egyptology - and here shares his favourite moments in discussing the most talked-about of the seven wonders of the world! Piers Morgan Uncensored is proudly independent and supported by: Oxford Natural: To watch their full stories, scan the QR code on your screen or visit https://oxfordnatural.com/piers/ to get 70% off your first order when you use code PIERS. Birch Gold: Visit https://birchgold.com/piers to get your free info kit on gold. Pique: Get 20% off your order plus a FREE frother & glass beaker with this exclusive link: https://piquelife.com/PIERS Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Like many people, I've always been fascinated by the pyramids of Giza. More than 4,000 years since their construction, scholars and researchers still lock thorns over who built them, how they did it, and for what purpose. We do have some exciting new pyramid-related projects in the works, but I'm currently taking a short and much-knitted break in a darkened tomb of my own. In the meantime, here are my favorite Egyptological highlights of the year so far. The mighty pyramids of Giza are among the most studied monuments in all of archaeology, but more than four and a half thousand years since their creation. Scholars still debate how they were built, what they were used for, and what further secrets may lie within them.

Well, last week, researchers in Italy presented bombshell new findings, which claimed to discover evidence of a vast hidden city beneath one of the pyramids, including 4,000 feet structures built tens of thousands of years before the first man-made buildings existed. Clearly this sparked huge interest among those he theorised about lost ancient civilizations. And amid frenzy coverage in the media, mainstream academics have dismissed it as crazy talk

and pseudoscience. The story has reignited a fierce debate between the scientific establishment and the increasingly prominent populist voices in the science world, those who are probably better known for their appearances on Joe Rogan than anything they published. In a special edition of Unsensit,

will bring together both signs of his scientific chasm for a deep dive into one of history's enduring mysteries. We'll head to debate all this, a superstar panel of Big Brains, who is fair to say don't exactly enjoy a meeting of minds on his subject or on science in general, firmly in the traditionalist camp of mainstream academia, Milo Rossi, an archaeology educator, environmental scientist and author. He's a brains behind YouTube channel, Mini Minute Man, where he calls out pseudoscience in all his guises. to Flint, Dibble, an archaeologist from University of Cardiff, and opposing them, alternative scientific theorists and Joe Rogan regulars, Jimmy Corsetti from the Bright Insight podcast, and Dan Richards from D-Dunking the past. So welcome to all of you.

Very excited have got you all together to talk about what is either one of the great discoveries of modern times or a complete load of bullshit. So let's get to the nitty-gritty here. Professor Dibble, what do you think? All right, first of all, thank you for having me. I love sharing archaeology with a wide audience. And look, I'm just going to be frank here. I think that I would love this kind of stuff to be true, but it is total bullshit.

It is absolute and utter bullshit for so many different reasons. Number one, they're using a method that has never been presented before in depth. It's never been tested. Number two, it follows all the rules of pseudoscience where you present things to the public, a public that is not informed on the actual evidence that we have, instead of, and it doesn't address the evidence that we actually have. So it doesn't actually show up all the evidence we have for the bedrock at Giza, or for the water table at Giza.

There have been ground penetrating radar. There's been MOUON studies. There's been electro-resistivity tomography. There have been deep soundings, drilling, seismicity studies on the Giza plateau. We actually understand the bedrock and the hydrogen. hydrology there quite well. And in fact, the depth of the water table is dozens of meters. So anything they have found would actually have been completely submerged underwater at any time in the past. And so this is the problem. What they're doing is they're just starting off with grand claims from unproven technology.

And they're not addressing how it integrates with all the evidence over 100 years of research on the Giza Plateau itself. And so it's just absolutely hallmark pseudoscience. And they're already saying, we can't publish this stuff in peer-reviewed journals. But these are scientists with PhDs who have published in peer-reviewed journals. And so they're just claiming to be cancelled without even trying to publish this stuff for an educated audience of professionals that actually knows the evidence. Okay. Well, that's a pretty emphatic response.

Jimmy Corcedey, your response to that? Well, hello, peers. Thank you for having me on. I actually agree with Flint on many of these points, which is rather interesting because I'm actually a proponent or believer that the pyramids of Giza were not actually built for the purpose of being tunes. However, when I've looked into the details of this study,

I was happy to hear Flint bring up one of my talking points from a post that went viral yesterday involving the water table under Giza. And that's something that was not included in this study whatsoever. It actually starts approximately 15 meters or 49 feet down and can extend hundreds of feet below the plateau. So are we really going to pretend that this use of technology would not in any way be influenced by a massive water table below the ground? And I find it particularly odd that that was completely omitted from the study altogether.

Again, I'm a very open-minded person. And I would say if nothing else, this requires further study and exploration. If it was up to me, we would drill a hole straight down through the Giza Plateau, stick a camera down there with a light and investigate, and that would be the quickest way to do it. It wouldn't cause any damage. This is doable. It's probably not going to happen. But I will say that I have significant doubts about this study and the implications.

I think that it has been massively exaggerated. I think that to suggest that these 600 meter long pillars made up of a spiral staircase is vastly different from the images that they presented. I encourage everybody to look at the data, the raw imaging, if you want to call it raw, and compare it to the AI animated photos that they released, and I'm having a hard time making the correlation. So I'm skeptical, but I'm open-minded. I will say we should just further study it in that way, because all it's going to happen is that we're going to keep going in circles. People will either believe it or not believe it, but the quickest way is to just study it further and find out. So that's where I stand.

Over to you. Yeah, absolutely. So I'm always excited when I see archaeology kind of entering a mainstream news conversation. I'm one of the largest voices in online archaeology education. And so it's always exciting for me to see a topic begin to be picked up by other science communicators and, you know, other news sources and things like that. But what concerns me a little bit about this one is I feel like a lot of people have been playing a game of broken telephone with it.

And, you know, I think that you've also picked a very interesting cast of characters to be here today with a very interesting topic because I can't think. believe I'm saying this, but I fully agree with Jimmy Corsetti. I think that this is a situation where we are looking at a very noisy scan that has been interpreted in sort of a Rorschach test situation to support something that you can really turn into almost whatever you want. Now, what concerns me the most about this situation is that I've been seeing a lot of even more sort of, you know, mainstream academic science accounts picking this up and sort of parroting some of the more fringe claims without actually backing it up.

in a more concrete way. And this is a little bit alarming to me, because I do realize that most of the information that we're getting about this is coming from, one, I believe, two press conferences now with very little information. And the thing that I really try and emphasize with all of this is it has not been peer-reviewed.

And this is why I think I'm going to agree with all of my colleagues here when I say that this is something that we need to look into further. I think at the very least, this is an excellent opportunity for us to refine this technology to figure out how best to apply it in the future and to be able to really use this as a tool this as a tool to learn more about ancient histories.

Can I just ask you before I move on to Dan, Milo, all of you, okay, I hear all of you, that's fine, but are all of you 100% about this? I mean, how can you be sure, right? It seems to me that all I'm hearing is the technology they've used has never been used the way they're using it. Okay, who's to say it's not worked, right? I mean, I kind of agree with Jimmy that the easiest thing is just to barrel down there with a camera, but apparently Egyptian authorities won't allow people to excavate at all around

the pyramid. So that may not be an option. My question is simply, you know, you're all speaking with a reasonable degree of certainty or stroke severe skepticism. And my open mind would simply say, how do you know? You know, that's a really excellent point there. And I think I'm going to follow you to Flynn. I see you there in a second, but I know you addressed this question to me, so I want to answer it briefly. I think that that's a really good thing to bring up is we simply don't. And that is why I want to encourage that there is more research done into this situation. And on the same side of us not knowing and needing to keep an open mind,

it is also worth not immediately drawing the conclusion that this very noisy sonar image that we got interpreted through AI equals power generation structure. So just like we have to keep an open mind that could be something we haven't discovered, it's also not worth immediately jumping to the most sensational conclusion. Okay, Dan, do you believe it? Well, I don't believe it per se, but I do think it's been sensationalized. It's pretty common when they find a scan, like the underwater pyramids off the Cuba's coast. You look at the scan compared to the image that goes around in pop culture,

and it's two completely different things. But I do think the skepticism might be a little bit heavy, to be honest with you. They do say that they admit that they're using a novel software, it's probably AI, like Milo was saying. So they're looking at this, from what I understand, they're scanning it multiple times, looking at the changes in the scan and then using that with AI to model what would cause those changes. Now, it sounds a little crazy, and you look at the images and you're like, well, maybe, you know, that might could be this, it could be that.

But I have to point out that none of us here know how to really read those images. And, you know, if I showed up a piece of sheet music on the table right here and said, you know, what is this? If you don't read music, you just see lines and dots. But if you read music, you see Mozart. So I think it might be a little bit over skeptical to just dismiss this out of hand. I would like to see them peer review the work. If they don't peer review it, that is a little bit of a red flag.

But it's very common for people to release their stuff now. They release their pop culture version of it, get some funding, and then they push the peer review through. I mean, even the Cave of Bones stuff that the Home of the Deli stuff was done that way. We got the Netflix special before the peer-reviewed papers, if I remember, right? So it isn't like just pseudoscience does this. This is a common thing. Today's show is brought to you by Oxford Natural, makers of the optimum day and optimum night,

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So jump in, Professor Flint. I'm used to my students. They've got to raise hands. So look, the first thing to do is 100% not to just drill into the Giza Plateau. That is, A, the silliest thing in the world. The first thing to do is to demonstrate that this technology works on known subterranean structures. That's really simple to do. Why can't you just drill down?

Isn't that the quickest, easiest way to establish the truth? Okay, so think about this. Think about this. Already they have drilled into the Giza Plateau on various hydrological studies. They've excavated into the Giza Plateau quite deep. Underneath the Great Pyramid, they recently found the Osirish shaft. So this is actually happening currently at Giza, these kinds of investigations. But what we're talking about here is testing two kilometers underground on a sensitive archaeological site

to test a method that can be tested elsewhere. In archaeology, what we do, one of my catchphrases when I go to the public is we always work from the known to the unknown. So if you're going to present a new method, what you can first do is test it on known features. So, for example, at the site of Ostia, the port at Rome, that has been investigated intensively by Simon Kiay and other scholars, Sarah Parkak. I just interviewed her for my YouTube on this very topic. she's the one who wrote the textbook on remote sensing from satellites in archaeology. So she worked with that team and she tested doing visual satellite imagery against their magnetometry and GPR, confirming that all three of those different methods saw the same things underground. And then five years later, they actually used a similar technology.

They used synthetic aperture radar from satellites, SAR, the same thing. And what they did was they tested it again against what we already knew. and it showed that it worked. Now, they're not using the same kind of deep sounding here. They're just doing stuff from mildly under the surface. But it's very easy with this technology to demonstrate that it works by testing it against known subterranean structures instead of just making claims,

oh, with a technology we haven't proven, we've also found the most amazing archaeological discovery in the world. Why would you actually damage an archaeological site? Because any time you excavate, it's damaging, to test a technology that's unknown when you can do that elsewhere very easy. But what people say, what people will say, Professor Affle, they'll say, well, of course he'd say this.

He's an establishment figure. He doesn't want to have the orthodoxy challenged. He can't even contemplate the notion of ancient new civilizations that are more ancient than any we knew before. And he's just turning a blind eye to this bomb shell development rather than getting wildly excited

and wanting to lead an Elon Musk-style experimentation on the explorer going the different way to Elon's rockets up to space, this time going down into the bowels of the pyramids to find potentially one of the greatest discoveries of modern times. They think you're a bit of a fuddy-duddy, Professor Flint, who just doesn't want to take the chance. I am a fuddy-duddy without a doubt. I will not deny that in the least,

but I can tell you that all of archaeology is about discovery. new stuff. That is what I do. Every paper I publish is about new theories and new evidence. That is what we do. We love new evidence, but what we need to do is demonstrate it clearly. And this has, what they've done is they've started off by saying, hey, you've never heard this, but I'm already being canceled. It's just like pre-cancellation. They're claiming they're being canceled. And then, of course, we say, hey, that's BS because you're just using that rhetoric to get attention, which is all it is. or Jimmy, what they're doing is they're doing exactly what Elon Musk has been saying about Mars. They're saying, look, we've got to get up there and we've got to colonise. It sounds impossible.

It sounds incredibly difficult. But we've got to do this for the future of mankind and we're going to think big and we're going to get up there and we're going to colonise it. And you know what? Maybe we will. But he's got a very open mind about the ability and potential for life on Mars. If we can take that view to getting to a different planet, why would we not at least, get excited enough to send, you know, an expiration vessel down below the pyramids. I mean, it sounds like one of those things you could do. I mean, if Netflix did a series on this, it would blow up the internet. We could do this very easily. There's no reason not to drill a hole into the Giza Plateau.

We're not talking about doing it straight through the pyramid. There's plenty. The Giza Plateau is quite large. And how big is it? For those who are not pyramid experts, how big is this area we're talking about? That is a good question. That is a good question. I've seen it from satellite imagery, and it's very large when you see compared to the surrounding area.

I couldn't give you an exact dimension, but a vast majority of it does not have ancient relics. But I will say this, we could safely drill down and be the quickest, easiest, and cheapest way to find out answers, to find out there is something under the Giza Plateau. But another point that I want to make earlier, as far as these scans being manipulated by AI, I want to point out something that I've yet to see anyone else comment on, which is that we've all seen the images, and we're seeing it from the side. You see these large columns going up and down. Well, these scans are taken from satellites looking downwards,

yet we're being presented something as if we're looking at it from the side. Yeah, so how is that possible? It's not. It means that it's been massively manipulated. Okay. Like to an extreme level, probably. Okay. Milo, you're parked, I believe, in the mainstream camp generally with your thoughts,

with your thoughts. But again, the same question to you. Are you a little bit too stuck in your thought process that you don't want to contemplate something because it sounds fantastical and maybe flies in the face of everything that you've believed? But isn't the point of being a scientist to think the unthinkable,

to dare to dream the undreamable, to go, as I used to say in my favorite TV show, Star Trek, to boldly go where no man has gone before. It seems to me you're being a little bit on the negative side, you mainstream guys. Yeah, I appreciate that, and that was a very eloquently put, Pierce. You know, that is something that I see commented quite a bit is, you know, oh, you're just part of the mainstream, you're part of, you know,

the establishment and things like that. And really, it's honestly quite the opposite. I try and talk a lot about these different, you know, more alternative history discoveries and topics within that space because I believe that there is something worth talking about. out there. Most of what people know me for online is discussing things which, you know, can broadly be classed under pseudo-archiology. But at times, there are things that I come across that I do believe are actually very true and ground it in some sort of reality. So that's the question I've

got for you, Milo, which is, you know, you, I think view Dan and Jimmy as pseudo-scientists, right? I would say to that, I'm not a scientist, interviewed lots of scientists. But how do you know their pseudoscientists? I mean, isn't the beauty of science that you're all trying to find new stuff, you're all exploring new ideas, you're all testing existing theories, you're all trying to advance the planet's knowledge of its history and so on? What makes them pseudoscientists and you guys, the good guys? Absolutely. That's a very good question as well. So broadly, kind of the answer that I want to give for that is within kind of the scientific space, it's something that we do want to have a very large interaction with the public. This is something I think is really important. I think

we're very want for citizen science in this country, and I think that we really need to try and break down those walls so that science doesn't feel like something that is, you know, elite and untouchable. At the same time, it's also worth noting that many people who are in the scientific space or people who have dedicated their lives and careers to understanding these topics. And I start to identify pseudoscience when I see people with very little actual experience in the field speaking over those who do have a lot of experience in the field, claiming that their discoveries and what they've put together are something great. than what the scientific kind of consensus has worked towards.

The scientific body is not something that is homogenous. It is all over different countries in the world. It's multinational. It's many ages. It's been carried out over hundreds of years. This is something that doesn't have like one particular, at least in the archaeological field, not one particular agenda to push.

And so when I see one person sort of entering the space and saying, well, actually, every single one of them is wrong and they've been lying to you the whole time, that kind of sets off some alarm bells for me. Okay, Dan, what's your response to that? There's a lot going on with the global economy. It's entirely reasonable to wonder what the effect will be on your savings and investments. Consider diversifying with gold through Birch Gold Group.

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Again, text Peers to 989-89-8-8. Consider diversifying a portion of your savings into gold. That way, if the fake can't stay ahead of the curve, at least you can stay ahead for yourself. Dan? Didn't you hear me? It looks like he froze. Oh, he's frozen. Dan is frozen, which might be that. Oh, no. Dan, that was almost like a conspiracy moment where you got frozen before he could defend yourself. Um, archaeology guts down, Dan Richards. But Dan, this suggestion, Dan, that you're nothing but a pseudo scientist, a junk scientist, you know, and you should keep out of their lane, the mainstream guys. Well, let's put it this way.

Like Milo just said, we're talking about people with the expertise in certain. fields and like Flint has studied seeds. That's that's his job. Now by the time I was 25, I'll go out in the limb, I can say this with confidence. By the time I was 25, I'd studied the pyramids more than both Milo and Flint have at this point in their lives combined. I know a lot about it. Graham Hancock knows a shitload about that stuff, but they will dog him to the bitter end because he doesn't know as much about stratigraphy. He doesn't know as much about carbon dating, but they're not talking about this specifically. They're talking about other things. And like they mentioned like the Milo mentioned the amateur, the impassioned amateur.

We are the number one market for archaeology. If you write a book about archaeology, guys like me are the ones lined up to buy it. If it's good, if it's interesting, now if it's just stratigraphy, you're going to have to sell it to students. But if you're actually selling a product that's marketable, I'm at the front of the line. But you guys have alienated me. And if you look at the Society for American Archaeology, at their original bylaws, at their original constitution, they say two things about interested amateur. One, they want to bring more into their fold. Two, they will only offer them help when asked.

But they don't do that with us. If we say we're interested in something over here, we can expect these guys to come and poo-poo all over it. Look at this study right here. Like they're saying, well, we don't know for sure that it works. Okay, we don't know, but we do know that that type of telemetry has only been used for about three feet or three meters under sand for the most part. But in this, they do have images of the inside of the pyramid.

We see the images of like the King's Chambers. So it works through limestone. It works through a lot further than it has in the past. So there is reason to think that maybe these guys have something going on here, but it's being poo-poot out of hand because it's the pyramids and because it's got some goofy alien woo attached to it. There is definitely a knee-jerk reaction to these sorts of things in the alternate history community, probably the Baghdad battery being the best example.

Ask any archaeologist that digs into it and they will tell you, well, yeah, you could make electricity with those. online, you'll find even Milo's got one. There's thousands of guys debunking the things, and they were. But that just part out of thing. And the thing to mention there, Dan, is when I made that video talking about the Baghdad battery, I actually was contacted by an archaeologist from the University of Pennsylvania, who spoke to me more in depth about it. He's an archaeologist who works at the Royal City of Ur. He's worked in all kinds of these ancient sites. He's very familiar with this discovery. And he actually gave me even more information on it, for which I created a retract

and I elaborated further. And that's the important thing about science. Can I just raise my own hand here? What is the Baghdad battery? So the Baghdad battery was a artifact that was discovered, you know, in Baghdad. It was these little ceramic cones that had an asphalt sort of cap on it, with two pieces of metal sticking in and a residue left over from some type of acid. It's been claimed that this, you know, is everything from something used for electroplating,

very small electric charge, all the way up to something, evidence that there was ancient power grids. Now, I am obviously firmly believe that this is not evidence of power grids. We need to see a lot more for that. But there actually is some archaeological evidence to suggest that this could have been used for electroplating or a ceremonial ritual. Perhaps you put a sculpture on top made of metal. You put your hand on it. You get a little jolt.

That would be pretty interesting, you know. But a little bit hard to tell because these artifacts have been lost and destroyed during all of the wars in the Middle East. And so it's a little bit challenging to revisit those. But another great example of why it's important for archaeologists and scientists to keep an open mind and why we try to do that with every discovery we come across. Graham Hancock is a scientific heretic, and for that he's garnered both sneering condemnation and a legion of fans, not to mention a shelf full of best-selling books and a smash hit show now

on Netflix. The new series of Ancient Apocalypse is out right now. For those who don't know me, I'm Graham Hancock. I've been exploring the possibility of a lost civilization in prehistory for more than 30 years. Archaeology claims that if there were such a thing as a lost civilization, they would have found it already. Well, I profoundly disagree with that. Well, Hancock's theories that a highly advanced ice age civilization pioneered everything from mathematics to architecture before being wiped out by comet strikes

and a giant flood. Notable supporters include Keanu Reeves and Joe Rogan. He was on that show recently, 27 million people watched it. Now, admittedly, I've always been a bit skeptical about this, but then I've discovered that the Guardian newspaper had lamented Hancock, calling his series the most dangerous show on Netflix. And suddenly, I began to warm to him. And it's surely worth hearing him out at the very least. So Graham Hancock joins me now.

Well, any man condemned by the Guardian is good for me, Greg. Not just once, by the way, but five times. Five times. Well, there you go. There you go. Five different articles across the Guardian an observer stable. Yeah, they've done that to me repeatedly as well.

So that's why I'd like you come in. The only objection I have is that for none of those articles did they reach out to me. Really? And when I was a journalist, we used to do that with contrary opinions. We would ask the subject of the article to at least speak. So here's what's really interesting about what you do with this stuff, which is, I guess at the moment, nobody can really disprove you, right?

because they say there's no proof, that doesn't necessarily mean it didn't happen. But could you just be the world's ultimate wind-up merchant where you don't actually think you happened, but you know they can't disprove you, and you can build a fantastically successful business off the back of just winding them all up? Yes, a lot of people could suggest that, and a lot of people do. But the fact of the matter is this has been my passion for more than 30 years. I've devoted a huge chunk of my now 74-year-old life to following this mystery. And it's mystery that draws me into it.

It's the feeling that there's a black hole in our past, which is not fully explained. It's the fact that we have a worldwide tradition of a global cataclysm, which archaeologists tend to explain as massively exaggerated memories of local cataclysms. a worldwide tradition of a global flood. In that worldwide tradition, whether it's India, whether it's Mesopotamia, whether it's Easter Island, whether it's Cusco in Peru, you're going to find that there were seven sages

who survived the flood and who brought wisdom and knowledge to other survivors of the flood. It's this universal testament. When did you first get this notion into your head? When did it start? It started for me it started for me in the late 1980s when I was working on a book about Ethiopia

and about Ethiopia's claim to possess the lost Ark of the Covenant. That was the first book I wrote in this genre, and that book was called The Sign of the Seal. And while investigating that, I had to go to Egypt as part of the investigation because the Ark of the Covenant is a story that involves Moses. Moses was brought up in the household of the Pharaoh. And it was standing in front of the Great Pyramid in Egypt, not for that project, but just being there and looking at this thing.

Six million tons, 481 feet high at its original height, 13-acre footprint, almost perfectly aligned to true north-southeast and west. And we're told that it was a tomb for a pharaoh called Kufu, and it had to be built in 23 years because that was his lifetime. It couldn't therefore have been longer. And my common sense and my gut feeling as I looked at this was this doesn't make sense. Whatever this is, I don't think it's a tomb. Why?

Because, well, apart from the fact that no body of any pharaoh has ever been found in any pyramid in Egypt at all, could be tomb robbers, but the accounts of the earliest tomb robbery, which was in the 9th century when Khalif Mahmoun and his gang actually smashed their way into the Great Pyramid with sledgehammers, they found nothing inside it, nothing at all. It was completely empty and devoid of any inscriptions on the main body of the pyramid. So it's a genuine mystery. For this thing to have been built in 23 years, seems to me pretty...

It's a long time. Well, it's not a long time when you have a 6 million ton monument with 2.5 million blocks of stone in it. Now, everybody knows how much I enjoy my tea, and I'm very happy to say that today's show is sponsored by Peaks Pure Femented Teas. These are not your average bruise.

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Your theory. Which include five climbs of the Great Pyramid and detailed investigation of all its internal chambers. I don't think, I don't think it was a tomb. And I've said that, but I might be wrong. I just don't think it was. And I think it's worth pushing back. against that narrative. And considering...

I mean, just playing devil's advocate, it could have been a monument to these great pharaohs where they thought there was a risk of being grave robbed so they didn't ever put the bodies in them. And they told the people they did? Yes, it could have been that. But then you have to ask yourself, why when you take the height of the Great Pyramid

and multiply by a particular number, which is not an insignificant number, it's a number that has geological significance, you take the height and multiply by 43,200, you get the polar radius of the earth. You take the base perimeter, multiply it by the same number, you get the equatorial circumference of the earth. And even my staunchest critics,

except that the math on that is right when you go back to the original true height of the Great Pyramid at 481 feet. Now, the question is, is it encoding the dimensions of the earth by accident, or is it a deliberate and intentional thing to do? This monument speaks to the earth. It is oriented within 360ths of a single degree of true north.

It's an incredible precision for a monument on that scale. It's clearly connected to the earth, oriented to true north, and at the same time, encoding the dimensions of the earth on a scale of 1 to 43,200. Why is that important? It's important because there is an obscure astronomical phenomenon called precession. It's a wobble on the axis of the earth. The Earth is our viewing platform from which we observe the stars. And because of this wobble, the stars change their positions very, very slowly at the rate of one degree every 72 years.

These are called precessional numbers. There was an enormous study. How do you remember all this stuff, by the way? I live it. You really are like a... What would you call yourself? I would call myself a writer. That's what I am.

I try to do... Are you fiction or non-fiction? I've done both. So I know what I'm listening to do, am I getting the fictional version or the nonfiction? The nonfiction books have footnotes. They typically run to 2,000 footnotes to a book. They're all thoroughly documented.

My critics and my supporters can find exactly. So finish the point you were making. I'm sorry. My point was that this process of process of process of procession changes the star field at the rate of one degree every 72 years. There are a series of numbers built into ancient mythology. There were 72 conspirators in the murder of the god Osiris, for example.

And what we're looking at is a multiple of the number 72. 72 times 600 is 43,200. And the significance of that is what? The significance to that is that we have a monument that speaks to the earth, 6 million tons, locked in precisely to the true north pole, not magnetic north, the true north pole of the earth. And then it encodes the dimensions of the earth on a scale provided by the earth, So it's a work of genius?

I believe it's a work of genius. Right. So why couldn't it have been the geniuses who did it at the time? Well, I wonder, they could. And I'm not saying they didn't. I think the ancient Egyptians were massive. You have a weird theory, and it is a weird theory,

that the granite blocks used to build the pyramids was somehow levitated into place by acoustics. You've been listening to my critics too much. Is this not true? It is true. I've said, I've said, when pressed on this, could have led to levitation of bricks. Yeah, that's not my theory.

That's not a theory. That's an off-the-cuff remark. If you look at, if you look at my work, you'll find that that kind of thing I've also talked a little bit about. Tell me about acoustic levitation. What you would find is that it occupies perhaps 20 pages across 8,000 pages of my books. It's there. It's there.

So it's a theory, are you the spouse? No, it's an interest of line. When I read ancient texts... Well, it's been a theory to an interest. Hang on. Oh, go on. When I talk about that, I'm reading ancient texts that talk about... that talk about priests chanting and raising a huge block into the air.

How? By the way, the Great Pyramids is not all of granite. The granite blocks I'm talking about. How are these chanting priests levitated massive stones? I don't have a theory about that. You can't just put these in your books. Yes, I can. And they say, I've no idea how they did it.

It's there in the mythology piece. So it could just be a myth. It could just be a myth. And I'm not saying it happened that way. I'm saying that so far, in 100 plus years of study of the Great Pyramid, Nobody has yet come up with a convincing explanation. Particularly, sorry, let me continue. And particularly how those 70-ton granite blocks,

most of the Great Pyramid is made of limestone, not granite, but those 70-ton granite blocks that roofed the so-called King's Chamber, plus another series of 70-ton blocks above that, plus another above that, plus another of that. It's a brilliant feat of engineering. It's an incredible feat of engineering. When I look at that, and I've been above those blocks and looked at them from the top, the so-called relieving chambers,

When I look at that, I am mystified as to how it was done. The thought of people pouring water on wet sand and towing these weights along, that's okay on level ground. But to get it up to 300 feet above the base of the Great Pyramid, that's a wholly different story. You would need a ramp. So here's my response to that, which is,

I think you're fascinating, right? And I did think everything you say is fascinating. Your attention to detail is spectacular. You're honest enough to admit you don't know the answers to these things. you're raising a lot of suggestions, theories, whatever you want to call it. But it's when you say, well, that is completely implausible, right? The way that we all believe the pyramid is plausible. But you just float in there that it could have been levitation, acoustic power from chanting priests.

I would dare to say to you, Graham, with all due respect, that is surely more ludicrous as a potential theory than the one that we believe. If I were saying this is absolutely how it were built, it would be. You're deliberately tantalizing us with the idea. of chanting priests, raising stones to the skies. Then the Egyptologists are tantalizing us with the idea of a ramp. You know, to... Do you think their theories are as ludicrous as...

I think completely ludicrous. A ramp would, first of all, have had to have been built of material as solid as the pyramid itself. Secondly, because we can't, human labor cannot tow heavy weights up a slope of more than 10 degrees, that ramp would have had to extend it for more than a mile into the desert. There's no sign of it.

Your grandfather's name is inscribed on the Great Pyramid. He was a world traveler. Was he like you? I guess he was in some ways. And in some way... In some ways not. Maybe it was a pleasant surprise to find his name there and see it confirmed in his biography,

which was never published and still sits in a drawer in my office. But he was with British forces in Cairo in the First World War. And he was a minister of the church. He was a chaplain there. Wow. Now, you believe that tens of thousands of years before the ancient Mesopotamia, Babylonia, Egypt, there was an even more glorious civilization,

Plato called it Atlantis. You think that existed? Well, the story of Plato's Atlantis should not be taken out of context. Plato's Atlantis is a flood story and therefore it should be taken into account with the roughly 200 other flood stories that are found from all around the world.

To separate the Atlantis story from that, as my critics tend to do, is a mistake. We have another flood tradition here. Furthermore, there is a solid basis for that flood tradition in ancient Egypt. Plato said he got the story through Solon, who had visited Egypt in 600 BC and had been told the story of Atlantis by a priest in a particular temple, the temple of Neath at Sys and the Delta. And interestingly enough, there's a temple of Horus at Edfu in Upper Egypt,

which contains in full detail a description of a homeland of the primeval ones, an island, which was destroyed in a gigantic flood, of which there were survivors, including once again seven sages. Some of them came to Egypt, settled in Egypt, and created what are called primeval mounds that were built up and down

the whole length of upper and lower Egypt, which were to be the sites of all future temples and pyramids. Now, that particular temple is Ptolemaic. In other words, it's younger than Plato. So one could say, maybe they got the story from Plato rather than the other way.

around, except that that temple encodes the archives of the previous temple that stood on that site, which in turn encode the archives of the previous temple, going back to pre-Dynastic times, the language in that temple is Middle Egyptian, it's not Ptolemaic. That temple is yet another manifestation of a global tradition in ancient Egypt, much of which has been lost. But here's what your critics are. They say, all right, okay, interesting theory, very well researched, as always. Can I just say one other things? It's really important the critics on this, read the new complete translation of the Edfu building texts by the German Edfu project because they've been translated completely into German.

How long are they? How long are they? You're looking at four or five volumes. Have you read them? Massive, yes, I have. The whole lot? No, I haven't because I don't read German. But I've had help of a German-speaking colleague to look at key aspects of the text

because when I first worked on the Edfu texts, I used a partial translation that was done back in the 1960s. When was that text written? Which text? What you're talking about? Sorry, do you mean the Edfu Building Text or do you mean the... Well, the German version that you're talking about. The Edfu Building Text were partially translated by Eve Elizabeth Raymond back in the 1960s in a book called The Mythical Origins of the Egyptian Temple.

I used that as the basis for my inquiry into the meaning of the Edfu Building Text. Then I discovered, and it only happened in the last three years, that a complete translation was underway and was finally finished. The question to me was, did that translation contradict the earlier translation? or did it support it? And I'm completely satisfied that it supports the earlier translation. Which means what? Which means that at least Plato wasn't lying

when he said there was an Egyptian origin to this story. And then when we set the Atlantis tradition in context of global flood myths, all of which seem to carry very much the same notion of a golden age that's ended, incurs the anger of the gods, is ended. Right, so here's my point I'm going to mention you, which is what the critics say,

which is that archaeologists are not the only people who examine the past. We agree on that, right? I do. Geologists, obviously, this is their speciality. And their argument against you is that if there had been an ancient super civilization that we have no knowledge of it. I deny super civilization.

I've never said a super civilization. What would you call it? Atlantis is a super civilization like every other during the Ice Age that emerged out of shamanism, but that went further in some directions than some. I'm not saying they built huge temples and columns and pillars and that they had steam engines or that they had spaceships. I think that they had. They had a very simple basic technology, but they had an incredibly advanced knowledge of astronomy

and they had an incredibly advanced knowledge of the world. They could encode accurate relative long-ologies on maps. Here's the key question. Why, in that case, have geologists been unable to find any evidence of heavy metals, of manufacturing by-products from the manufacturing of that time? Why have astrophysicists not been able to pick up echoes of their radio chatter? So why geneticists are not found widespread anomalies in the human genome? Why has none of that happened if your theory is right?

I don't think small groups of seven or so people settling in a particular neighborhood would leave a powerful genetic trace, actually. They would leave a trace in ideas. So you think that all around the world or a special... Well, I know that Easter Island has seven sages. I know that Mesopotamia has seven sages. I know that Egypt has... But they could all just be totally fantastical, mythical people.

They could be. And that's precisely what my critics say. That's what I'm here for. Yes. I'm here to investigate. By the way, I kind of admire that. I do. You know, my initial thing was to kind of laugh at it.

And then I thought, well, actually, the whole point of science and history and all these things is to challenge perceived wisdom. Otherwise, how do we involve and learn more? And hopefully to do so in an intelligent and thoroughly worked out way, which is what you're not. But yours is a logical mind, but it's applied to a lack of facts. Would that be fair? Yes, it's just as archaeologists are logical people and their work is applied to lack of facts as well. I mean, they've only excavated, what, 5% or less of the world's surface? There's huge areas that are completely unknown.

The Sahara Desert is almost completely unexcavated, the Amazon rainforest, where in our show, we've been finding evidence of highly advanced cultures, which were previously completely unsuspected in the Amazon rainforest, indeed populations of millions, cities in the Amazon rainforest. My feeling is that the further we go into this, we are likely to find more and more evidence which disturbs the existing picture. and I've been trying for the last 30 years to put forward pieces of the puzzle

that I do not feel are explained by mainstream archaeology and that are worthy of consideration as to geologists by the way. So when people call you a crank, what do you say to them? They're welcome to call me whatever they want. But what do you feel about that? Of course it's not nice to be called a crank. Why would one welcome that?

Especially when I take my work seriously, when it's my passion, when it's everything that I do. What do you really want to achieve? What is the goal? Most of all, what I would like to achieve is for archaeologists to engage with my work without smearing me, without calling me a racist and a white supremacist

and a misogynist and an anti-semit. All of these words were applied to me in the Society for American Archaeology open letter to Netflix, trying to persuade Netflix to reclassify my work as science fiction. They used all of these... Why don't they call you these things? There's no basis in the series.

for that at all. And the only basis there is is that I reported indigenous myths from the Americas, which talked about bearded, white-skinned people coming to America, Quetzalcoatl, the feathered serpent of Mexico, is a classic example, which talked about people with white skin coming to the Americas in the distant past and bringing knowledge and civilization with them. Those are indigenous myths. Woke archaeologists have tried to reinterpret them recently and say, oh, they were all made up to by the Spanish. To me, that is a racist assertion,

that the people of the country were themselves so stupid that ideas introduced by the Spanish would be fully accepted by them as fact within 30 or 40 years. To his Legion of Amira's, Dr. Zahi Hawass is the world's top expert on Egypt's mighty pyramids. And for good reason, throughout an illustrious career, Dr. Hawass has served as a chief inspector

of the Great Pyramids, Director General, of the Giza Monuments and the Secretary General of the Supreme Council of Antiquities in Egypt. His book Giza and the Pyramids is considered the definitive account. But to his critics, he's an academic gatekeeper, an elitist of Egyptology, who is preventing others from interrogating the real truth about how, when and why the pyramids were built. Many in Joe Rogan's audience felt that way after his appearance earlier this year. Most of the information that's written on pyramids are wrong. Most of it?

Most of it. In archaeology books? Really? Except me and Mark Liener. You guys are the only ones that have it right? Because I have been working in Gaza for the last 50, 7 years of my life. I excavated every piece of sand. Well, in this special edition of Uncensored, Dr. Zahi Hawass will join me to discuss his incredible work,

and we'll be joined by two of his most high-profile critics from the alternative archaeology community. You say the truth about the pyramids. Pyramids has yet to be revealed. And we'll bring those two gentlemen in shortly. But first of all, Dr. Hawass, first of all, welcome to uncensored. Let me just ask you, first of all, what was your reaction to the reaction you got when you appeared on a Joe Rogan podcast?

Because a lot of it was very negative. No, when I give any talk about pyramids, I expect the person who interview me to read about pyramids. or to read about our work. I am sorry when I did this last interview. I didn't see that Mr. Rogan did really read anything that we published. And this is why I was trying to refer to our excavation, to our book, and so. Let's bring in the other two guests.

Joining us now two independent researchers and investigators of lost ancient history. Jimmy Corselli, the host of the Bright Insight YouTube channel, and from the debunking channel, Dan Richards. Welcome to both you. We had the both on before, of course. Jimmy Corsetti, what would you like to say to Dr. Harwars about his recent revelation from his team's research that they believe the pyramids were not built by slaves, and there were 100,000. There were about 10,000, and they were artisans at the time.

To be honest, well, let me first say, Pierre, thank you for having me back on. In Zahi, it's a pleasure to make your acquaintance. There's a few things I take issue with what he had said. First of all, this scan pyramids project, that initial discovery was back in 2016, and it was corroborated into a published study in 2017. Well, when you look from 2016 to 2025, that's nine years ago. That's almost a decade. And I'm trying to understand why we wouldn't have drilled a half-inch diameter hole

and sent in a endoscope camera into this hidden chamber, because let's not forget that the Great Pyramid of Giza is arguably the most mysterious and debated structure in all of human history. We don't know exactly how it was constructed. And in fact, how it was constructed is one of the most debated topics. Another debated topic is whether it was actually built to be a tomb for the pharaohs, because after all, we never found any mummy in any Egyptian pyramid over. So with those two significant points of debate, we could squash those debates by simply going in and exploring it. So I guess I have a question for Dr. Hawass at this time, which is, why haven't we drilled into that hidden chamber?

When will we do it? And the third question is, has it already been done so in secret? Wow. Great questions. All right, Dr. Hawass, your response. Now, number one, you have to understand until today, today is in July 2025. We still have the scan pyramid. Team are working.

You know that they found behind the main entrance the corridor. And they found above the Grand Gallery the big void. And the Egyptian team, the English team, that working under me, they found some important voids. And you have to be patient. You have to study how are you going to drill or the new techniques that they're using. The new techniques that they're using like ultrasound and infrared penetrating radar, all of this you do not need to drill anymore. You can see what's behind a wall because the English team from London and Sean who's working for me,

They found a void behind the northern entrance of the queen of chamber with hieroglyphic signs. We are studying now. How can we approach all these voids? But you have to understand one thing. We are not making anything secret. We advertise everything that we discover. We found above the king chamber in the five chambers, relieving chambers. two more names of the gangs who built the pyramids

and we found year 13 of Kof's reign and this is what I'm talking about in my lecture in the States now. This is my number 25 lecture that I am publishing, announcing to the public, everything that we discover inside the great pyramid. Nothing is secret.

Okay. Well, that's good to have that clarified. Can I just ask you just on a personal level about one thing that's constantly put out there as to whether you believe this is true. The Great Pyramid of Giza is claimed to have a correlation with the Earth's circumference and polar radius based on the idea that multiplying the pyramid's perimeter by 43,200 equals the Earth's equatorial circumference and multiplying its height by 43,200 equals the Earth's polar radius.

so that this number, 43,200, is also related to the procession of the Earth's axis. Is that all true? You know, I am not objecting any theory, but you have to understand every day I hear a theory about a pyramid. Sometimes they answer. I mean, that one is an amazing theory. If that theory is true, it is mind-blowing. Do you think it's true? No, and send it to me, I will study it.

Have you not heard it? It's the same number on the Samarian Kings list. 43,200 has been seen in ancient history inexplicably, and the Samarians are the earliest document human civilization we have, and that number ties in with them. Real quick, I'm sorry, but Zahi, you didn't answer my prior question. Have you guys gone in and explored that hidden chamber? And if not, when will you be doing so?

Because to be honest, we could do it by the end of the weekend. It's not difficult to drill a half inch diameter hole and send in an end of scope here. So have we been in there? And if not, when are we going, brother? I need to know. This will answer all of our questions. If you want to squash debate involving, you know, the conspiracy theorists and everything, all we got to do is going and look. We know where it's at. We could drill a hole. This is doable. Yeah. I agree. Why can you just go in? I answered your question. And I said, you're saying we have not gone in and explore that chamber. Is that

correct? Can you, can you please let me to answer you? Yes. I already answered you. And I said, all this voids that we found the scan pyramid team and the English team right now we are discussing and studying how we are going to get in you cannot just go in directly like this you have to make a study

you have to research it you have to decide as a scientist when can you do it and when we can you do that we can nine years we can we said nine years We have sent rockets to the moon since the 60s. I mean, the idea we can get to the moon in space rockets,

but we can't get inside a chamber of a tomb in a pyramid. I mean, come on. Do you want me to answer now or still any talk? I told you what we found inside the Great Pyramid. And I told you, this year, 2025, is the year that you are studying, How can we enter inside this void? And he said nine years, yes, it can take more than nine years.

This is the pyramid of Egypt. This is something valuable. This is one of the seven wonders of the world. You just can go and boom and a drill like this. You have to be sure that this drill is important to discover something. Okay. That is not nine years. We have been working since nine years until today.

I hear you. Let me bring in Dan Richards. Dan, what would you like to say to Dr. Because there is obviously, there's been a kind of raging conflict between what people see is the establishment Egyptologists. You have kind of access and control. And then all you guys who would probably love to get that kind of access and control, but don't have it. What do you view about what he's been saying? Well, first of all, thank you for having me, Pierce. It's good to meet you Zahi. I have a quick, when you were on Joe Rogan, you said that you didn't know what Zeptepe was.

was. And I figured I would give you a chance. I would imagine as the premier Egyptologist in the world, you do know the Egyptian creation myth. Would you mind just explaining it to us real quick so that to kind of vindicate yourself and show the world you do know what Zeptepe is? No, I mean, I know about the ancient Egyptian creation, but maybe I don't know this term. But what I'm saying, what this has to do with what we are discussing now. Oh, it's very important because, I mean, it's the ancient Egyptian creation myth. involves the primeval mound, right? And this is a symbolic bend.

Exactly. This is something you're going to see all over the ancient world. So that terms that pep is, you see it in Egyptian without the vows, but it is the, it's the Egyptian creation myth. So it's kind of important, it's a very important lens to use when you're interpreting these artifacts. So when you were on Joe Rogan and he asked you what it was and you said, you didn't know what it was that.

So honestly, if you didn't, wouldn't mind it. It's a big chance to vindicate yourself. No. I teach the Egyptian creation, but I am saying this term that you're talking about, I never heard of it. Maybe it's written, I never heard it in the world of Asian policy. Maybe it's between the others, but I can tell you about creation, how the Egyptian created this world. But I don't understand why this has to do with the pyramid now that we're discussing. Dan, let me ask you just on the wider point of the recent discovery by Dr. Harwis,

or the claim from the research, that there were no slaves involved in the building of the pyramids. To me, that's ludicrous. I mean, I worked construction for a long time, and they're using the food and the graves and stuff. And, I mean, I saw many in construction workers eating McDonald's while there was other construction workers eating steak. It just depends on if he's a foreman, if he's an engineer, if he's just a grunt. the painters don't eat as good as the electricians who don't eat as good as the engineers and the architects. So, you know, having 10,000 people buried in the shade of the pyramid in a grave, mind you, that only says they worked for Kufu. It never says that they built the pyramids.

So that's a stretch. It's an assumption that these are pyramid-builded graves. But in addition to that, there could be graves of tens of thousands of slaves off the site that haven't been discovered that were doing all of the grunt work while somebody else was holding the plum bomb. So to me, to me, it's ludicrous to say there were no slaves involved. But to be clear, and to be fair to Dr. Howells, you don't know for a fact that it's not true, do you? What do you say? Of course not. That's, I mean, that's ancient history, right?

We can all speculate. We can all spitball. But the only things we really know are carbon dating and written records kind of sort of. But, I mean, we fudge written records all the times even today. All right. Jimmy, you raised your hand. I completely agree with everything that Dan just said. However, something very important for all of us to be humbled by is the fact that the Great Pyramids of Giza were allegedly created by the Old Kingdom.

And there's a few things that need to be considered when we discuss what we think we know and what we don't know about the pyramids construction, which is that after the Pyramids construction, there was three other changes of kingdom within Egypt. Old Kingdom, Middle Kingdom, New Kingdom, and between them are missing chapters of human history within Egypt. For example, between the old kingdom and the middle kingdom is approximately 126 years of completely missing history. It's conjecture. We think that it may have been a revolt within Egypt, a civil war, but something happened to completely overthrow the fourth dynasty going into the fifth dynasty. And then between the middle kingdom and the new kingdom is approximately 186 years of missing history. So the point that I'm making is that within each of those two chapters of missing history, that's longer than any human lifespan.

It's multiple generations, which means that nobody was alive afterwards to say what was happening before. We have absolutely no idea how the pyramids were constructed, how or even precisely when. And actually, I should point out that Zahue, you mentioned about the movement of stones, and you cited that 60-ton stone that the depicts being moved on a wooden sledge. Well, that is only 60 tons, whereas the Egyptians had moved the 1,000 metric-ton Ramessium statue. 1,000 metric tons is well over 2.2 million pounds and it was inexplicably moved approximately 170 miles from Oswan to Luxor. That is 17 times heavier than that statue that you repeatedly cite. Not twice as heavy, not five times as heavy, not 10 times as heavy, 17 times heavier.

And I'm not, are we to pretend that wooden sleds are infinitely scalable? The reality is that there is a mystery here. We don't know how they constructed the pyramids. We don't know how they lifted and stacked 80 ton stones 300 feet above the ground. And again, I just would like your clarification. Are you saying that there has been no exploration into any of those hidden voids yet above the Grand Gallery? Can you tell me, in good faith, that you're certain that nobody within the Egypt Ministry of Antiquities has explored that yet? Okay, well, a lot to unpack there. So first of all, yes or no, Zai? Sorry, Pierce. Dr. Harbaas, answer that last question definitively. You've been asked it directly.

Are you saying on the record there has been no exploration in the way that Jimmy Corsetti says? Jimmy, I want you to understand this conspiracy theory that you do have is wrong completely. We do not hide anything. If the Egyptian, listen, if we do have any evidence, that pyramids are back 15,000 years old. What's wrong with this?

We'll announce this. We are not against anything. But what I am saying, we are not hiding anything. And you have to know this. Your theory that we have something that we hide is not true. Always any discovery and any excavation. We are not hiding anything. How do you do this?

What about the second? Okay, but what about... Yes. Hang on. Hang on. What about the second point that Jimmy made, which is surrounding the Ramaseum, which was a thousand tons?

How did that get moved? You know, I don't give you one thing. We have... I can give you three evidence of moving stones. We have the O'adil Jarf, Babairi. Do you know anything about this, papyri? I do not. I'm sure they do.

I don't know. I don't know of a ser of a workman who went to to Torah to cut the white fine limestone for the casing of the pyramid. And he talked about his boss. Those stones are like four to six times at the most. You have in the Middle Kingdom. And by the way, when it comes to that papyrus you keep talking about, it says absolutely, the word pyramid has not mentioned one single time.

I gave you the time to talk. Give me the time to answer you, please. You never said yes or no, though, to that prior question. about exploring that, Jeremy. You didn't say yes or no. You said there's no secrets, but yes or no, have you been in there? I told you, we are not. We are talking now.

We are searching now. We are discussing now. How can we enter this void? I know that that's true. But have you done it yet? No, we have told you this year, it will happen. It will happen this year before the end of two. 2025, and the beginning of the year, we are going to show all the voids inside the pyramid lies.

All right, Dr. Hobos, let me ask you. Dr. Horace, let me ask you, what is the one thing you are desperate to discover about the pyramids, which you've never been able to answer yourself? Number one, I want to tell Jimmy that we found all the evidence of how the great pyramid was built. Completely. No. We don't really have to explain. lifted and stacked 80 ton stones, 300 feet above the ground.

And prior to that, they were moved 500 miles. We have it shown. We have it shown in scenes and tombs in the Middle Kingdom and the new kingdom and the whole kingdom. You have to go and read about this. But number two. Which tomb? I already know that that's not true. But I know that that's not true.

So for the audience, why don't you cite which two? So we can Google it upon ourselves. The tomb of Jhotta. The tomb of Zohutti, Hottip, Adderil Barcia. It shows 172 men are moving a 60 tons of statue. Then what's your problem? I don't understand. How do you move a thousand tons stone, like you said?

How do you do that? Do you know, I want to show you today, our workmen today, who are the descendants of the workmen in the past? they move in front of me more than 60,000 tons. This is the national project. This Egyptian who lived in the time of Ramps in the second. This is in the old kingdom, and there's absolutely no documentation of any kind

describing how the pyramids were constructed. Again, there's missing history that happened right after. You are wrong. Out of the 100,000 hieroglyphs in Egypt, there's not one single one that depicts or otherwise describes in any capacity the construction of the pyramids. and again, that diary that you keep citing actually doesn't include the word pyramid whatsoever.

Just like Dan Richards had just said, it's an assumption. You know, Zaii, if you would like to invite me out to show me, you know, the expiration of this hidden void, I think it would be very good for the influence of the various influencers within this community on the internet that are concerned that things have not been shared on the up and up. I'd actually like to come. I'd like you. I'd like to come as the impartial guide on that trip, actually.

And I would report on it honestly, Zahi. Let me bring Dan back in. Dan, out of interest, the same question to you, Dan. Hang on one sake, Dr. Hawass. Dan Richards, what is the thing you would most like to just know for sure about the pyramid? Honestly, as a guy who's worked construction a lot, there's one of the questions that are unanswered about the construction of the pyramids. You can say that you know how they've lifted the stones all you want, but the squaring of that edifice to itself, the great pyramid has about a two-inch deviation on a 756 foot run. That's less than a thousandth of a percent. You can't do that with ropes because they're going to sag.

You can't do it with putting sticks back to back because you're going to get errors. Nowadays we use transits and lasers. You know, 500 years ago, they built the observatory at Greenwich, and it's not remotely as accurate to itself as the Great Pyramid. So honestly, I would just like to know how the hell they got it so perfectly accurate in its own footprint. How did you square, how do they square something on that size? It's like machine age accuracy on a gigantic scale. So do you have any idea how they squared the edifice, Dr. Hawass?

Did you go to Dachur to see the pyramids of Kuf's father? No, I have not been to Egypt, but I'm aware of the pyramid of Dashu or Kofi's father. If you haven't been in Egypt, how can you base on what you see? Because you have to know one thing. When the Egyptian began to think about building Kufu pyramid, you have to know they choose Giza Plateau, because Giza Plateau is a part of the Mukattam formation. Level 1 and 2 are very bad stones, but level 3 has the best quality of the stones. The old stones were building a pyramid came 1,000 feet away from the base of Kufu pyramid,

and we located the location of the quarry. But before they moved the stones, they had to cut in the solid rock until they made the base of the pyramid. Eight meters of solid rock, no stones. And they established a ramp from the quarry to the south west corner. The ramp was constructed of stone rubble and sand. And we excavated the route of this ramp, and we found it. Then the Egyptian had a team cut. Sorry.

I'm sorry, yes, go ahead. The Egyptian divided the workmen, as we hear from Wadil Jarf Bavairi, that I was like Jimmy to read first before he can talk to me. The Wadil Jarf Bari is explaining. Don't come at me like that. I've been to Giza three times. I loved it, and I would love to go out there with you. I sincerely mean that.

I know it sounds like I'm sharps shooting you, but. I'm talking about the Wadil Jarf papyri. You have to read it. And it says what? It doesn't say anything. It doesn't say anything about the constructive the pyramids. I'm talking about the accuracy.

I'm sorry. How they made it so square. It's extremely perfect. And it's the kind of thing that we can't do today without lasers. You can't do it with ropes. You can't do it with sticks. There's a mystery there.

What's your conclusion? No, I need to understand. What is your conclusion? What do you want to say? My conclusion is they use, you know, the plate, the plate with, many rings like a target that you have in the museum in Tyro. I believe that that was a target that they used a concave mirror and used a pinpoint of light to fill up circles at different

distances. I haven't been able to test that, but that's, they had to use something more than ropes because you can't get that kind of accuracy without without something better. I'm trying to keep it low tech. Again, my question, what is your conclusion? If the Egyptian did not do this, who did it in your opinion? I'm not saying the Egyptians didn't do it. I'm talking about specific problems and how to solve them. I don't care if Gandhi did it. I'm talking about how to get squared.

And so I'm trying to answer that without going to lasers or ancient high tech. But honestly, the issue here, as I see it, is you're telling me that the problem solved. I'm telling you that if I was tasked with doing that, as a guy who's been tasked with pouring foundations, I couldn't do that. I would be looking at it going, I'm going to need better tools than what you had available. Could it be that they were just better back then at construction than we are now? Well, you're talking about a margin of error. So, I mean, you're still have to figure out how they would, how they measure it. I mean, there were geniuses all over the place in, in that period of the history of the planet.

You know, I mean, why couldn't they just have had construction geniuses who bereft of things like lasers have to come up with other brilliant ideas to do? I mean, look, somebody, somebody built this, right? Somebody built this. I have to assume they were humans. It's most likely they were Egyptian humans. So we should be able to agree on those broad parameters. The fascinating thing about the pyramids is we just don't really know how they did it. And I hope we get in there.

I hope we get in there. What's that, sorry? The pyramids themselves exceed the known capabilities of the dynasty. So that's what makes it so fascinating. Look, we've run under time. could talk about this for hours. I've become a real Egypt pyramid nerd because of this, but I actually love your idea, Jimmy, that we all go out to the pyramids. Maybe at the moment you get inside these chambers and we actually discover maybe the secrets of one of the great

wonders of the world. I've got to leave you there. Thank you very much, Dr. Harwasa joining me. I appreciate it. Thank you very much. But I will be happy to see all of you in Cairo. and take you in a tour and show you what I'm talking about. I would actually love to see the pyramids. I think it would be an amazing episode of Pierce Morgan Unsensit. Let's go on the road. Let's go to the pyramids.

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