Piers Morgan Uncensored - Nancy Mace's Trans Bill & Trump's Second Term With Glenn Beck, Amala Ekpunobi & More

Episode Date: November 20, 2024

The times they are a’changing, and with Donald Trump’s upcoming ascension to the highest office in the most powerful nation on earth they will be a’changing quite rapidly. Will Trump’s actual behaviour be different even if his MAGA policies stay consistent? Will he be more predictable? Could he be one of the greatest of all time? His policies will affect people inside and outside America in a variety of ways, and naturally, not everyone is happy about that. For a spirited debate on what the future holds, from a varied set of perspectives, Piers Morgan turns to co-founder of Blaze Media Glenn Beck, host of the Amala Ekpunobi Show Amala Ekpunobi, host of The Luke Beasley Show Luke Beasley, co-host of the Majority Report Emma Vigeland and conservative commentator Debra Lea for their passionate, and somewhat loud opinions. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I never, ever thought I would say anything like this. He could be so transformative that he could be a Lincoln, a transformational president. I still believe he's a threat to a democracy. Any man can put on a skirt, say, I'm a woman, and go into the bathroom. I've gone to the bathroom next to a man. Oh my goodness, my, I'm, it was so fearful. If I found you lurking next to me in a men's restroom, I'd feel fearful. I like Mika and Joe, but they did all call him Hitler.

Why would you do that? How else do you speak truth to power if you won't go and sit at the table across from it? So you know who the actual purest personification of a modern-day fascist is? A member of the woke brigade. Hang on, hang on, stop shouting. Did my easy.

You do my earz in, Emma. Several years ago, it would have been a cancelable offense to refer to a trans woman as a man. Now, the Speaker of the U.S. House of Repeterns, third in line for the presidency, is saying this. Let me be unequivocally clear. A man is a man and a woman is a woman.

And a man cannot become a woman. This is a seismic shift in our recent culture, whether you agree with Mike Johnson or not. And actually, I do. Trump's Republicans feel they have a mandate to not only ignore, but completely reverse what they see is a lurched to liberal extremes. And liberals are now extremely angry about it,

as they are about most things. At the heart of ladies row is a bill introduced by Congresswoman Nancy Mace. It would ban transgender women from using female bathrooms in the U.S. Capitol. Not by coincidence, it comes just weeks after the first ever trans lawmaker, Sarah McBride, was elected to the House. Representative Mace explained her position like this. I'm not going to allow biological men into women's private spaces.

I will stand in the brink and stand in the way of anyone on the radical left who thinks that it's okay for a penis to be in a women's locker room or a bathroom or a changing room. Hell no. I'm not going to stand for it. And the speaker said it would be in the House rules package. If it's not, I'll be ready with a privileged motion to force a vote on this. This is not okay. I'm a survivor of rape.

I'm a survivor of sexual abuse. Well, that last point is an eye-opener. You might not like Nancy Mays or trust her motives or even agree with her. But she's fighting the exact same ideology that gave us safe spaces. Now, liberals are fighting to deny her right as a sexual abuse victim to feel safe in women's spaces. That doesn't add up. Well, Brian Tyler Cohen, an intelligent liberal and regularly contributor to uncensored, wrote on X, I truly wouldn't care if a man dressed like the King of England was in the urinal next to me.

I get that for extremely online right-wingers. A trip to a public bathroom might be the most memorable moment of the day, but the rest of us truly do not give a shit who is peeing nearby. Well, first, what's wrong with the King of England? He's a fine, magnificent man. Secondly, and most importantly, you're missing the point, aren't you, Brian? This is about making women the priority. I don't really care what you think about this.

Not so very long ago, that was actually your fight too, Brian. Remember all that talk of protecting women's rights? Should one solitary trans lawmakers' bathroom access be a red-hot issue in the first days of a new government? Well, probably not, but it's symbolic. It's just like trying to force everyone to state their pronouns or refer to women as menstruating persons. What seems like a small, polite gesture

is an insidious way of making everybody comply with an ideology they may wish to regret. Democratic Congressman Seth Moulton has been savage by his own party saying he doesn't want his daughters to get run over by a formerly male athlete. I was just speaking authentically as a dad about one of many issues

where I think we're just out of touch with the majority of voters. Well, he's right. The vast majority of voters completely agree with him. It's not even close. Moulton's campaign manager resigned in protest over those comments.

Think about that for a moment. Really? The Democrats should be very glad to see that person go. They should rebuild the liberal movement around people like Malton because he gets it. There's been a complete breakdown in common sense from the left. And if they don't get it back, they're going to be out of office a long time. In a few moments, I'll be joined by tonight's stellar panel. But first, the author, Disruptor, legend, co-founder of Blaze Media. I could go on, but I won't. It'd only embarrass him. Glenn Beck, welcome back to Oncensus. Thank you. I can't believe, Pears, that so much has changed in the world that you and I, I view you as an ally in truth.

And it's, it is, this world is made for strange bedfellows. And what is happening in America? I think America is once again going to, thank God, take the lead on squashing some of these things. and I think a lot of Europeans are right where MAGA, if you will, is. Maga is completely misunderstood, and it's a different movement than it even was two years ago. Because now you really have strange bedfellows. You have RFK. Yeah.

You have Tulsi Gabbard. All of these people, Elon Musk, we don't agree on everything. Yeah. But we found our Unum again. You know, America was founded with e pluribus unum from me. many won. Our one was the Bill of Rights and common sense and reason. That's the thing, Glenn. The left has lost it. When Trump made his victory speech, he talked about a core of common sense being underpinning everything that he was about now. It's fact. You know, when I've been on,

say, Bill Maher's show, you know, Bill Maher, famous liberal, lives in Hollywood, blah, blah, blah. But actually, on most things, I agree with Bill Maher, and so do a lot of Republicans now. Because like me, He's looked at the way the woke left have developed and realized they're so insane and so lacking in common sense that they have nothing in common with someone like him or someone like me. So naturally we gravitate more to the middle

and actually there's a lot of people there, right, sitting there thinking, I don't want to be extreme about anything. But see, here's what the left left behind. They used to be liberal, meaning the classic sense. of liberal. The classical liberal was somebody who believed in individual rights and common sense.

They just left that behind and changed the word progressive to liberal, and then they lost all of that. And so much has changed on the right now in America to where, like, for instance, I was for the Gulf, not the Gulf

War, but the Iraqi War. When it came out, I really thought that that was the right thing to do. That was the worst thing to do. Yeah. We have change where the conservatives were the ones who said, well, we got to be the policeman. We never liked it, but we felt we had to do the right thing, blah, blah, blah. We are now the one saying, no, let's get out of everybody's business. Every time we do that, we piss the world off.

So interesting. It never works out well for anybody. It's so interesting, you say that, because it reminded me of a column I did where I talked about a really interesting thing about music. So back in the 60s, the Rolling Stones had a big hit with Let's Spend the Night Together. and the Christian Conservative right rose up in fury at the lyrics and when Jagger appeared, I think, on the Ed Sullivan show,

they said, you've got to change it. And he did because he's a pragmatic guy Jagger, so he changed the lyrics. I can't remember what too, but it wasn't, let's spend the night together. And it was the conservative right that drove it and it was the liberal left who were enraged by the censorship. Cut forward 50 years and you had the furority

over baby it's cold outside. of the most harmless songs ever written, with one of the most harmless videos ever written. This time, it was John Legend, leader of the woke celebrity left, who rewrote the lyrics because it was so offensive to him. So you've seen a complete reversal in positions on music,

and you've seen it also, as you say, in war. Isn't that fascinating? It is so bizarre, because I find myself all the time saying, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, I've woken up to many of the things like big pharmaceuticals. I've never been against big pharmaceuticals until we hit COVID. Right. And then I realized, holy cow, look at this.

And I keep saying to, you know, the Democrats who used to be against all of these things, we get it. You were right. Why have you abandoned that? Yes. We're now with you if you were still standing in that position. But somehow or another, they made the point. It was very clear.

and they've abandoned that. And now they're for all these things that they used to be against. It's so bizarre. We're made to look like the radicals. I find the issue of the transgender sport issue is the one for me. When I read the New York Times report

that said that the Trump ad, which covered this, only 30 seconds, but it had Carmel as for they, them, Trump's for you. That that had potentially move the needle by just under three points, right? And was one of the most effective political ads in modern history.

And it completely demolished the lie from the left that nobody cares about this issue. Everyone I've spoken to about that issue cares. And I've been on this thing for four years now where I've said, if you genuinely think it's fair and equal, as you legitimately try and get equal fairness and equality for trans people, if you think that the right way to do that is to erode women's rights to fairness and equality,

you are living in Clow Kuku land. And actually, it's become one of the great dividing points where if anyone on the Democrat left now still thinks it's fine for biological men to basically wreck women's sport and endanger women, then they are now the outliers. It's no longer are we afraid now to say this. Now, as we're seeing, everyone's going,

actually, you know what, we're done with that. We're done with it because it lacks basic common sense. Here in America, what was so bizarre this weekend was we had two UFC fights, one in Madison Square Garden, one in Dallas Cowboys Stadium. And both of them ended with kind of a Trump dance and they were very, very, you know, very, Trump was very popular. And then with every football score, somebody did, whoever made the touchdown did the Trump dance. And I realized, oh my gosh, all of a sudden Trump and Trump and the MAGA

movement is the cool one. Yes, isn't that? The left is completely lost cool. Yes. Which is bizarre. I knew how different things were. I went to the Madison Square Garden Rally, the infamous one. Yeah.

The Nazi one. The Nazi one, yeah. With literally half the audience were Jewish. And I was like, whatever. But I went there, and it was really interesting experience. I've never been to a rally before. And it's very interesting experience. It was an entertaining six hours.

But I spoke to a secret service. agent. I said, out of interest, how many protesters turned up? They were expecting thousands. You know, Trump rally in the heart of Manhattan at the Madison Square Garden, the iconic garden, and there are 150 people turned up to protest. Now, cut back to 2016, that would have been 150,000. And we've seen no protest marches since Trump won. And in fact, as you rightly say, we've seen the opposite. We've seen actually Trump becoming the big unifier. And what did he do? The great bigot chose the gay anthem

of YMCA by village people. One of the great gay musical anthems in the world he chose that to dance to. Not a coincidence. I mean, a work of genius, but also because I know Trump, he's not homophobic. He's not a bigot like that. He's not.

He's not. And, you know, I think he's finally, now that people like RFK and Tulsi and Elon are all also on his side, he's going to go back to the guy he's always been. I think he was just hit in the face with a frying pan the first four years. A, I don't know if he was ready for it.

I don't know if he took it seriously at the beginning. He didn't know, and he's told me this, I didn't know what, I didn't know who to trust. I didn't know where the landmines were. I didn't know. This time he's prepared to be president of the United States. But he also now can, he doesn't have to be on defense all the time, because he's in the zeit guys. He's the leader of the positive movement.

You know what, Glenn? Yeah, it is. I think that's key because in his book, The Art of a Deal, he talks about if you get punched in the face, metaphorically, he means, punch the other guy back 10 times, right? He's a natural pugilist. He's got that New York pugilist streak.

And for the first two, three years of his tenure as president, all he got was being punched in the face. Russia collusion, Russia collusion, blah, blah, blah. It was just endless punching. And he reacted the only way he knows, or knew, which was to punch back 10 times. And so it was a constant war of attrition. This time, because there isn't that scale of fury, there isn't that kind of behavior.

And even the media are going through, you know, the very liberal, Donald Dameda, going through a period of self-reflection about everything. Trump doesn't need to be the pugilist now. He can be actually the guy. He could be a transformative president. Yeah, and he's going to be. I never, ever thought I would say anything like this. He is going to be either, I mean, if he gets this stuff done,

he will be remembered at least as the FDR figure reversing everything that FDR did. But he could be so transformative that he could actually, and I do no offense to, I mean, I know what this means in a completely different way. he could be a Lincoln, a transformational president as much as a Lincoln restoring the Republic and writing. People in America are excited for the first time.

I've been saying for a long time, where's the moonshot? Where's the president who will point up to the sky and say, we're going there? And we're going to do it, and it's going to be hard, but it's going to be worth it. That's what he's captivated right now in America.

And Americans are starting to believe again there is a really golden era ahead of us. And I think Europe's going to be swept up in it. I mean, if he can get these things done, you're going to have an end to, in a good way, to the tractors in London. You're going to get some of these oppressive globalist kind of restrictions out of people's faces. Because they don't know it yet, I don't think, but they should. Well, where was he yesterday?

He was with Elon Musk at the star, the link of the new rocket, the SpaceX rocket. And he literally, Musk wants to shoot to Mars, never mind the moon. The scale of ambition is off the chance. He's got a guy with him who just ambition knows no bounds with Musk. So I think that is invigorating too. Yeah. In a way, ambition. I mean, I don't fully trust, you know, he is very, very ambitious.

I don't know if his goals are my goals per se or, you know, humanity's goals. However, he is the, for lack of a better turn, the Thomas Edison or probably the Nikolai Tesla of our day. He is the biggest entrepreneur, dreamer, scientist out there. And that's exciting. The world used to embrace those kinds of people. And for some reason, and we know the reasons, but he's been really. rejected by so much. Those days are behind us.

People want a positive future. And, you know, you can never, you can, you never know what the future holds, but I am hoping that Donald Trump is going to do exactly what he said, and none of the negative that the left says he will do. And I don't see anything like that. I never thought we would do like a 15-minute interview where basically we completely agree with each other. And before I ruin it by bringing up anything.

anything which could ruin the mood music. I'm going to leave it there and thank you. And how extraordinary that we basically found ourselves under the position where we feel exactly the same. It's amazing. Same way about it. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you, Pierce. You're doing a great job. Thank you very much.

All the best. You bet. Bye-bye. Well, do you know me now is the host of the Amala Ekpunobi show, Amala Ekpinobe, the host of the Luke Beasley show, Luke Beasley, the co-host of the Majority Report, Emma Vigeland, and the conservative commentator, Debrally. Welcome to all of you. It's a fascinating time, isn't it, to be alive?

Because so many people, like me, I never thought Glenn Beck and I would have a 15-minute chat where basically I nod my way through it and so does he. Amala, it feels to me, I mean, just this dancing alone that is going on all over America and the lack of mass protests feels very, very different to when Trump won last time. Are you sensing that? Yes, 100%. And I think a lot of it has to do with the rhetoric that's been surrounding Trump. And I think this collective realization that we don't, we don't longer have to be fearful of supporting this man.

And we can actually be excited about his second term. You know, prior to this 2024 election, he's been called a fascist, a dictator on day one, an authoritarian. He's been likened to Hitler. And I think that created an environment where a lot of people felt like they had to sort of speak in hush tones about their support of Donald Trump. Some of the exit polling on election day found that young men in particular were more likely than any other demographic to sort of hide or lie about who they were supporting for presidents. And now that we've gone through this election cycle, the veil is lifted a little bit. People are coming out and they're dancing. They're talking about what this future could look like over the next four years.

And I don't think they feel as afraid to speak up about these things. Even the media is going and speaking to Donald Trump. And these are publications that would have recently referred to him. as Hitler or a fascist. So I think the tables are turning a little bit. Well, they're even heading down there to kiss the ring, which I never thought I'd see from some of the MSNBC anchors. Luke Beasley, are you joining in the dancing?

Are you secretly bopping away there to young man by village people? Absolutely not. I think you've got to laugh at. I mean, before I let you go, before you start. No, no. You have to laugh at the irony that the guy that everyone on the left calls the biggest bigot in America chose the new number one gay anthem as the one he would dance to him on stage i mean come on it's funny heartwarming so

here's here's what i wish some of you would engage with which i haven't heard after biden won the maga side at large trump himself didn't accept i haven't heard you peers say wow it's so impressive that whenever our side loses even though a lot of maga folks were saying if the left loses they're never going to accept it they're going to riot this time is going to be crazy. We actually accepted it. Well, not only if I said that, hang on, Luke. Hang on. Not only if I said that, I also said, well, hang on. You challenged me. I'm going to respond to that one point,

which is actually, I said to Trump's face, I thought he was disgraceful. He didn't accept the election result. And I did say that the Democrats deserve credit for the peaceful transfer. So you're completely wrong about that. No, that, during better peers times, you did do that. But I'm talking about just a general understanding. You mean when you agree with me? I wish the Magasai would do introspection and go, wow, it's not that the left is going, oh, we just love Trump now.

It's that we're demonstrating to you what acting like an adult looks like and not lying about the election, not crying for years and years about it, and instead going, even though we still believe Trump has these fascistic tendencies, I still believe he's a threat to our democracy. I'm going to show you what caring about democracy looks at what Biden has done. Let me respond. Let me respond. When you say you're not crying about it, you might not be. But all I've seen in the last two weeks

are people, women in particular, all over TikTok, screaming, cutting their hair off, saying they're never going to have sex with the Trump voter again. And now there's a mass exodus from X because Elon Musk owns it and he's next to Trump from people like Bet Midler, Barbara Streisand,

Don Lemon, you name it, off go the lefties. So I'm afraid there is a massive amount of toys out of the stroller going on. So, you know, you can say all you like. I thought through this. Yeah, let me explain. All I've seen is a lot of squealing and resigning from platforms because they lost. Yeah, you're doing a huge disservice to your audience, putting on the same discussion,

trying to overthrow an election, putting together fake electors to prevent the peaceful transfer power, trying to get local officials to find fraudulent votes that don't exist. You're putting that on the same, in the same category. as people just being upset like has happened every time people lose always in a way that's completely peaceful. And I've gone through this before on this show specifically, which is you have to look at people in positions of power to really get a sense of the significant responses we're seeing to certain things. So when you look at powerful Democrats, I told you before, Vice President Harris, Biden with character and integrity respected these results. Whereas Trump, him being the person in a position of power, not some random person on TikTok, didn't do that. I agree. Listen, you know what? You know what, Luke? I agree with you. I totally agree with you on that.

So, you know, just for what is worth, I agree with it. Let me bring in Emma, because I want to play a clip. This is of this big Nancy Mace row. She's obviously introduced to Bill to Bar, transgender women from facilities on Capitol Hill. This is a week after the Republican-elect Sarah McBride made history by becoming the first openly transgender person elected to Congress. Let's take a look at the Nancy Mace explanation as to why she's doing this. effort in response to Congresswoman with bribes coming to Congress? Yes, and absolutely, and then some. I'm not going to stand for a man. You know, if someone with a penis is in the women's locker room, that's not okay. And I'm a victim of

abuse myself. I'm a rape survivor. I have PTSD from the abuse I've suffered at the hands of a man. And I know how vulnerable women and girls are in private spaces. So I'm absolutely a hundred percent going to stand in the way of any man who wants to be in a women's restroom in our locker rooms, in our changing rooms. I will be there fighting you every step of the way. Now, Emma, Sarah McBride replied by saying, this is a blatant attempt from far right-wing extremists to distract from the fact they have no real solutions to what Americans are facing. To which I say, well, I'm not even vaguely right, and I think it's wrong that biological men who've become trans women should be in women's spaces. You're not vaguely right, peers? No, I just

I would say I'm in the centre. I would say that, yeah, exactly. In the country repeatedly. No, but rather like... Hang on, hang on, I haven't finished yet. I haven't finished yet. I haven't finished yet. Have a finish yet.

Let me ask a question. Go ahead. Let me ask a question. Yeah, go ahead. I do not identify, and I know you believe a lot in self-identity. I do not identify as conservative law, okay? I actually, I'm like Bill Maher. I'm just completely bemused by the woke left and how nuts you've all got, right?

And I think this election... Well, hang on, to be finished. I've been asked your question yet. I mean... Let me ask a question. Sure. Right? Here's my question.

If I, as a man who identifies as a liberal, if I can see why it's so wrong for biological men who have now become trans women, to be in women's spaces, to be in women's sport, to be everywhere in women's lives where they historically were not biological men supposed to be, why are you not as exercised by this? as a woman. I don't get it. Why? Why am I? First of all, I, I absolutely. I host a sports podcast. I care deeply about sports.

And I believe that anybody that identifies as a woman should be able to participate in the sport. As long as it abides by the particular bylines or guidelines. You know it's wrong. You know it's unfair. Said sports league. But actually, we're talking here about Nancy Mace, who loves a camera in her face and loves attention wherever she can get it. You know, I find it pretty disgusting that she, is basically implying that this trans lawmaker, just by being in her presence in the bathroom, may rape her. I do choose to speak up for women's rights. I believe that I do so on my program, the majority report regularly. And I'm disgusted that Nancy Mace has decided, essentially,

to support Donald Trump wholeheartedly, who has been found liable of sexual abuse in court and multiple of his cabinet appointments, picks, including Pete Heggseth and MacAid, have been credibly accused of sexual assault themselves. So apparently it's triggering for her because someone's genital maybe slightly different in a stall next to her. But it doesn't matter to her that Trump has been found liable of sexual assault in court.

Peers. Time out. Has Trump been found liable of sexual assault in court? Trump was found guilty in a civil action. He denied it, as you know. And in case of my... And the case of Gates and Pete Hedoneman... So the preponderance of evidence went in her direction.

And he's and she's been and. All right. Keep talking. And he has been accused by dozens of women. Let me know when you're finished. I'm done. Okay. I'm done.

When we have a debate, the customary for the host leads it and you respond to questions, okay, if I may be so bold. The point is that Heskith and Gates have categorically denied any wrongdoing and none has been proven against them. In Trump's case, it was a civil action, as he know, not a criminal action. The criminal case against his. was shuffling paperwork over an alleged one night stand with a porn star. So it's not quite how you categorized it.

Deborah Lee, let me bring you in here. Has this trans lawmaker been accused of rape? Has this trans lawmaker who she's barring from the bathroom? If you are a congresswoman, if you're a congresswoman who survives sexual assault, you should be entitled to feel safe in the restroom. So the presence of a trans woman in the bathroom. Oh gosh. Gosh, you know, I'm in here in New York, there are a lot of multi-gender bathrooms

and I've gone to the bathroom next to a man. Oh, my goodness. my, it was so fearful. What was I going to do with the rest of my life? I mean, this is ridiculous. If I found you lurking next to me in a men's restroom, I'd feel fearful. Deborah Lee, let me bring you in here. I just think...

That is a ridiculous accusation, peers. I didn't make an accusation. It was a statement of fact. I would feel fearful. You would feel uncomfortable? Why would you feel uncomfortable? If you were lurking around me in a men's urinal, damn right, I'd feel uncomfortable.

Who's lurking? What else would you be doing there? Is this lawmaker lurking? What else would you be doing there? Going to the restroom. I don't want you go. in my restroom. Stick in your own restroom. For my

safety, never mind yours. But would a man be lurking? Would a man, a biological man? Is he working next to me? That's the whole point. Why is there something inherently perverted about going to the bathroom? You write Wingers, and yes, I'm including you in this with this classical liberal BS, are so bad faith. It's incredible. You are linking

sexual abuse and sexual assault to trans people inherently, and that is a bigoted suit. No, I want trans people to have I want them to have fairness and equality like the rest of us, just not where it erodes women's rights. But Deborah Lee, you've been listening to this patient. But separate, separate but equal. We're four people on the panel.

I would like to respond to this. Deborah, your response. As somebody who grew up as an athlete, I would have been terrified if there was a man in my sports, in my leagues playing against me. My own brother, who's two years older than me, anytime we would play basketball against each other, you would knock me down.

And you say that you speak up for women's rights, but have you heard about the case in Virginia where a man put on a skirt, even though he went with male pronouns, and went into the bathroom and sexually assaulted a 15-year-old girl, and now the parents are suing the school because they tried covering it up. You want to protect women?

We're not saying that every single trans person has violent tendencies, but it's opening this up that any single person, if there's no checks on this, any man can put on a skirt, say, I'm a woman and go into the bathroom, and it's paving the way to make it easier for predators to attack women.

And I don't know why you're so offended that women want to be able to use the bathroom without men in their presence. That is something that is totally normal and fair to ask. I just find it amazing. Honestly, I find it amazing that on the left, if we talk about abortion, all hell breaks loose. Women should be protected.

Women must feel safe. Women must have rights. Women should have autonomy over their bodies. And yet when it comes to sport, you're quite happy for biological males. Let's put it this way. You know what? Put it this way.

Hang on. Hang on. You've got to let me finish a question. I think it's a little different. You've got to let me finish a question. Parking lots because they can't get their health care. You really are not familiar with how these things work. No, no, no, no, no, no, peers. You have to let me ask the question.

Should Yale men have been banned from the NBA because he's too tall? I mean, we've got to, like, make it be fair in competition. I tell you what's not fair. When you have a, when you have a boxer in the women's Olympics boxing, winning a gold medal who has male chromosomes. Amani Khali. And who beat up one of his opponents. Based on a Russian, based on a Russian federation,

that has been widely discredited, that is what they determine. Please stop talking when I'm talking. It's so boring for everyone watching. They can't hear us if you do that, right? I mean, this is your whole stick. I mean, you're doing debates about the genocide and God's. Am I going to have to mute you because honestly, everyone is sick of this now. Just please, conduct yourself properly in a debate.

Otherwise, we get nowhere, right? Let me bring in Amala. You'd be waiting patiently. What do you think of this? Yeah, I mean, I just have a question. How many more anecdotes do you need of what? women and young girls being assaulted due to these laws and regulations for you to actually care about it. I've heard many stories. I'm in Los Angeles. We saw in Los Angeles. We had a grown man.

Here in We Spa in Los Angeles, we had a grown man actually go into the women's locker room at a spa, expose themselves to all the women there, all of the young girls there. In Loudoun County, Virginia, you had a young girl who was raped in her school bathroom, a place where she is meant to feel safe by a trans-identifying student in the state of New Jersey in their prison system. They allowed trans identifying women to go ahead and move over to the women's facility. That ended up with two pregnant inmates, be it consensual or non-consensual. It does not matter. These situations are 100% avoidable.

And we are in no way characterizing all trans women as being predatory in nature by any means. It is to say that you are opening a door that needs to remain close. And our comfort does matter. Our safety does matter. And by the way, and by the way, Amala, by the way, by the way, I agree that we should, we agree. Emma, I'll come back to you. Emma, I'll come back to you.

But also fairness matters too. So the United Nations two weeks ago had a report that said just under 900 medals have been won by trans athletes in women's sport, thus depriving biological actual women from winning medals because they are literally not as strong, not as powerful, do not have the endurance of the trans women athletes because they have male physiology. How can that be right? Absolutely. 900 medals. So, peers. Pierce. Yes.

Explain to me. Why don't you care? First of all. So, so I, why don't I care about that? One is the fact that this should be determined by those specific bodies. It's not at the top of my priority list. Some are male. Some are female. That's why we separated in the Olympics. That women are bleeding out in parking lots. That trans youth are committing suicide at extremely high rates because of this exact kind of rhetoric.

where you other identity of their choice. Where if trans care was available to all of these kids, if trans care was available to these kids, they would develop in the exact same way where none of this would even matter. And so back to what was being said before about these assaults on other people. Back to what was being said before about assaults on these people.

I think they should be prosecuted and definitely, I'm completely against the idea that we should let someone slide just based on their identity if they assault somebody, which is why I'm sure everybody on this panel that is obsessed with this issue has been talking repeatedly over and over again about the rape in male prisons by male prisoners

repeatedly against their same biological gender. That's wrong too. Right, so how many news cycles have you never hear, Emma, Emma, Emma, you know what you never hear? You never hear, you never hear. Emma, you never hear about a trans man having an unfair advantage in male sport. Why is that?

How come we never hear about that? They're never, ever. You know why? You know why? You know why? Because they don't win. They don't win because they have inferior physiology. Just like it was about how seductive.

We don't hear about it because it's not an issue because they can't win. Let me bring in. All right. Because these are issues that are titillating to white liberals and white conservatives. How weird you would say titillating. It's ridiculous. Yeah. What's ridiculous is that you.

For you, it clearly is. You're not focusing on. on any of, on the more systemic rape issue in our prisons and in our, you haven't asked me about that? You haven't asked me about that. But I just did. Why haven't you been talking about male rape and male prisons? I think it's terrible.

shameful. All right, let me jump in here. Yeah, Luke, jump in. Then dedicate more segments to it then. Dedicate more segments to it. I'll take your advice on what segments we should be doing. We are the fastest growing YouTube channel in the world. So we're probably getting it about right.

Luke. Okay, yeah. So I do think we, with all these things, even the Lake and Riley case as an example, we always want to be super, understand the gravity and the pain of the individual stories that we're talking about that connect to larger issues, but then also include the broader context,

which is that with this bathroom issue, you don't see in the data increase in assaults with trans people in the bathroom they identify with, but you do see when they're forced to go into the bathroom they don't identify with or that's aligned with the biological sex they were born as, an increase in assault on the trans person. So that's important to remember. And I don't think we need to merge every single issue

because I think as Emma referenced, but as a lot of people acknowledge, while we don't understand what the fixation is necessarily or why this is used to distract from all these other more consequential issues, I don't think most people have an issue with leagues, especially professional leagues, implementing restrictions to make sure things are fair. Sometimes that's have you transitioned enough

where you don't have the edge or whatever it might be. It's fine for those leaks to make sure that it's fair. And I don't think that debate is actually going on like this program might make it out. I don't. Okay. So we're going to move on to another. We're going to move on to some of it. I mean, look, I just don't think there is any debate to be had about the sport issue. I totally agree with... Well, hang on. I totally agree with Trump about the sport thing. Trans women athletes should not be allowed to compete against women. They should have their own category

or they should compete against a category. Most of them used to compete in, which is the men's category. But the reason they don't is they're making far more money and they're far more successful competing against women because they have an unfair advantage. And that's what's wrong with it. Anyway, I want to move on to John Stewart talking about Meeker and Joe from, obviously, MSNBC, who went down to kiss the Trump ring

after calling him Hitler for a few years. Let's take a look. Joe and Mika Brzezinski-Scarborough, who famously warned of the growing threat of Trump's fascism, also had an interesting announcement to make. Last Thursday, we expressed our own concerns on this broadcast and even said we would appreciate the opportunity to speak with the President-elect himself. On Friday, we were given the opportunity to do just that. Joe and I went to Marilago to meet personally with President-elect Trump.

And for those asking why we would go speak to the President-elect during such fraught times, especially between us, I guess I would ask back, Why wouldn't we? Because you said he was Hitler. I mean, Deborah Lee, John Stewart has a point. I like Meeker and Joe. And actually, I think there's nothing wrong with them trying to build bridges with Trump. But they did all call him Hitler and a fascist

and an existential threat to democracy. And if you really believe that, it's a bit like Biden inviting Trump for a little, you know, cheerful, chappy photo shoot at the White House. if you really think he's going to finish democracy in America, if you really think he's a fascist, if you really think he's a neo-Nazi,

why would you do that? It's so disingenuous, and that was a lot of Republicans first. Emma, I'll come to you, especially if you agree with me. You have your time. You have your time. Okay, don't worry. But Deborah, you go first. When Joe Biden put on the Donald Trump hat

and as somebody who is a very proud Jew, I'm sick and we're all sick of the left, even the right, using Jewish atrocities to try and garner the vote for their horrific policies that don't help Jews, they don't help Americans, they don't help anybody. They just destroy America. And so I think it's disgusting that people have been calling Trump Hitler, but it also aligns. They want us to believe that they're saying Trump is Hitler, but then also we have such safe and secure elections in the past, and they would never do anything in this country

to ever stop Trump from winning the election. If you thought Donald Trump was truly modern day Hitler and would be a horrific leader to this country, would you not genuinely do everything in your power to stop him from getting into office? Because if I truly believe that Joe Biden was Hitler, I would do everything legal or not to try and stop him from getting into office because Hitler is the worst person in probably all of history, but definitely modern history. You know what? I went to the mass genocider, horrific exterminator. I went to the Madison Square Garden rally.

Do you know how many protesters turned up when Hitler came to the middle of Manhattan, the great liberal democracy in their iconic venue? 150 bothered to get off their lazy backs from screaming Hitler and fascism for the for years to go and protest. They couldn't be bothered, because you know what? It's almost like they didn't believe... At a Trump rally. It's like they didn't believe what they were saying, right?

Emma, you wanted to agree with me, so I'll come to you. So there you go. I do agree with you that it's... I think it's pretty disingenuous and crazy that Mika Brzeinski and Joe Scarborough went down there and kissed the ring, or as my producer on our show referred to it, Matt Leck, Kiss the Onion Ring, which was a pretty funny given Trump's proclivity for fast food.

And it speaks to, yes, the hollowness of our corporate media in terms of what they actually say and believe. The person who actually first really said the Hitler thing was Trump's former chief of staff who worked closely with him. Also, Trump's ex-wife Ivana in their divorce proceedings said that Trump had a book of Hitler's speeches on his bedside table. And other people have accused him of being authoritarian in the past. The problem is that, yes, our corporate media, and even frankly, many of the other people have accused him of being authoritarian in the past. The problem is that, yes, our corporate media, and even frankly, many in the Democratic Party did not treat the threat that Trump poses with the respective urgency that it requires, and so it rang hollow to voters.

This is a problem with the messaging of the Democratic Party, but it says it does nothing to undercut the very real threat that Trump poses. He was twice impeached in this country, and the second time was for trying to overturn the Democratic results of an election that resulted in a violent coup that killed multiple people. So when we talk about Donald Trump as a threat to this country, there doesn't need to be any theoretical conversation. We have very real evidence for it. And now he's learned all the wrong lessons, fast-tracking basically cronies into the administration. And yes, the media rolling over on its belly and accepting his extremist rhetoric is a big part of the problem.

Actually, you know what? You know what? Corporations capitulating to fascists. All right. You have me the voice. being part of how cows just get to rise. You have me for some of that. Once you start talking about his extremist language and stuff,

you're missing the point. The reason he won so big is that most Americans don't think he does have extremist views. They think a lot of it is just common sense. Or maybe you didn't tell them about it, Pierce. Luke? That is a failure of the messaging of the Democratic Party. Unfortunately, Donald Trump did and has said he wants to mass deport millions of people. You know the biggest mass deporter of modern times in American history?

Barack. He should mass deporter. Barack Obama. Barack Obama deported three million people. Barack Obama. Yeah. He's the big deported. I'm not a democratic hack, peers.

All right, Luke. Peers, I'm not a democratic hack. I will criticism. Joe Biden has been helping commit genocide for a year and a half. All right. Let me bring Luke in. That's something you'll hear out of my mouth regularly. Let me bring Luke in.

I'm not a hack. I call things like they are. I know. A lot comes out of your mouth. I've noticed repeatedly and without breaking for breath. So have a breath. Let me bring Luke in. I told

I feel like I've told you this period Deborah and I just recently had a conversation on my show I definitely clarified this for her no one again relevant prominent Democrats in positions of power are saying Trump is Hitler stop with that it's the whiniest thing no one says that if you think we shouldn't

The Madison Square Garden thing was literally described as a neo-Nazi rally a neo-Nazi rally When Trump's own It was full of Jewish people General There was a Holocaust survivor I haven't called it that

I haven't called it that Can I please finish the dang point? The point that I don't really care about the Mika Joe thing is just, yeah, sort of cringe. But much more important is that we keep going around this, merry-go-round. Oh, they called him Hitler, now this, now that. I'm sure some random people on the internet say that.

But, again, that's not the line from Biden and Harris. That's not the line from Trump's own former administration. So can you please? They called him a fascist. So you think he is a fascist? So you think he is a fascist? It's a horrible line to live by. That's ridiculous.

All right, Luke, but Luke, to be clear, Luke, I'm ashamed of your behavior. Luke, is he a fascist? Luke, is he a fascist? Of course, he absolutely exhibits fascist tendencies. So why did Joe Biden invite a fascist to the White House? Is he a fascist sympathizer? Because, oh, yeah, I wanted to mention that from Deborah's point.

If you respect democracy first and foremost, than the democratic will of the people, the democratic will of the people is more important than what you feel about the ideology. And it's important to point out, we have to learn from history, not to equate things, but to say, okay, What signs can we get from past...

So a peaceful transfer of power to a man you believe is a fascist. I'm curious what you would describe, you, peers, what you would describe trying to illegally stay empowered despite losing an election? What do you call that? I thought he was completely outrageous. Why are you obsessed with January 6th? But I tell you, I tell you what... I explain that to you, Deborah, you know why.

Outrageous. Just outrageous. Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. Because you wake up and think about it all day. Hang on. That's right. Luke asked me a question. Let me answer.

Here's what I think a fascist is. A fascist is somebody who wants everybody else to conform to their narrow worldview. They want to dictate how you lead your life, how you, what books you read. Hang on, hang on, don't all jump in. What books you read, what movies you can watch. Hang on. Try hard, Emma. Just take a little vow of silence for a few seconds, right?

What heroes you're allowed to admire, what statues you can respect, what clothes you can wear, what songs you can listen to. blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So you know who the actual purest personification of a modern-day fascist is? A member of the woke brigade, because that's exactly what the woke people do. They behave like fascists, and you may not want to hear it, but trust me, you do. It's fascism. No, based on your false definition of fascism, you can get that, you can swear that circle. Destroy him, fire him.

It's fascism. Yes, yes. Fascism is apparently a liberal college. students being a little bit too sensitive with their pronouns. It's not a highly militaristic, nationalistic, political ideology, born out of Hitler and Mussolian. You know, you know, I hope Democrats go on with the pronouns.

Why are you watering down fascism, which resulted in the mass genocide of 6 million Jews? You're watering down by saying Donald Trump is including LGBT. You've done that yourself. Yeah. I never said that.

I said any grand a fashion. I said, I said, I said it. Please. Don't all talk about each other. You guys are the ones that are watering down. But, peers, you set up this false premise, Pierce, you set up a false premise and a false definition that meets no academic standards of what fascism is. I just laid it out for you. Fascism is a highly militarized, nationalistic political ideology that often involves corporate power consolidating with the state.

See Elon and Trump going together that talks about a mythologized past that we need to return to by demonizing either political opposition. or specific migrant groups. Exactly. But but but but but the specific immigrant group. How weird you would describe that as fascism. The mass deportation is you could describe it as ethnic Let me bring in. Let me bring in.

Let me bring in. Let me bring in. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Stop tempting. Not this is hot garbage. Do my easy in Emma.

Amala. Amala is making America great again a form of fascism because it goes back in America's history. Not in my opinion. No. I think people have really run with this whole, I don't know, shall we call it, slogan and made it into something that it is very much not. America has virtually always been great, in my opinion, especially with its ideals and its values. And when we talk about these two journalists who chose to go to Mar-a-Lago and sit across from Donald Trump, I think we saw Sunny Hostin of the view say, you know, how can you really speak truth to power if this is how you're going to treat Donald Trump?

How else do you speak truth to power if you won't go and sit at the table across from it? When we talk about Mika and Joe, the real problem is that they've likened him to Hitler. They've called him a fascist. They called him a threat to democracy. It's not a problem that they're going to Mar-a-Lago, as journalists should, to speak to one of the most powerful people in the world. I totally agree with you. If they maintain their journalistic integrity, that's more than okay. Yeah, totally agree with you.

I want to switch gears slightly. Hang on, Luke. I want to change gear. We've got a few minutes left. We want to talk about the nominee picks, which I'm sure of sent you into some form of metaphorical anaphylactic shock. But let's go through them. I mean, here's why I look at it in totality. A, I'm going to wait for them to see who gets confirmed. B, I want to wait and see them what they do. Then I will pass judgment. But actually, if you look at a lot of them, like Linda McMahon,

unbelievably successful entrepreneur in America, building one of the great businesses in modern America, billions and billions of dollars pouring in, very strong educational bent. Why wouldn't you want someone like that running a big department in an American presidency, administration? So just quickly closing thought on the last thing. It's crazy that we do this, like I said, Mary-Go-round, we go back and forth on the fashion and stuff. We're just saying I don't like the Trump Post on True Social, a massive fraud, this type of magnitude, termination of all rules, regulation, articles, even though it's found in the Constitution saying that the Constitution should be terminated. Can we move on to the other thing?

Just quickly. You're getting a bit in the weeds. Last thing, I don't like that he said the government should come down hard on MSNBC. stuff like that, I go, and that looks kind of fascist. And the fact that we point that out is not us calling a Hitler. But yes, I don't think on some of them they will be less controversial. And then, yeah, I'm really concerned that, for example, Matt Gates could be our next attorney general. That gives me a major ick.

Deborah? I'm excited. I'm sorry. I think that this is so much. I thought you said my name. So far, his appointments have been the most pro-Israel members and the most pro-American members. I think Marco Rubio, Elise Daphonic. These are all incredible people, people that I have looked up to you.

for a long time, good, true leadership. And I'm so excited. I think that this is the dream team, and we're going to make America. I agree with Amla, of course. America has always been fabulous, but we can always improve and get back to the great values, like freedom of speech, like protecting women, protecting children, having fair, free economy, and supporting small businesses and everything that truly makes America the most fabulous, amazing country in the history of the world.

So I'm excited. I think this is going to be even better than the last administration, and we have a lot of work to do. And having the House and the Senate, hopefully that means. that we can really just knock out legislation and take back this country to what we know it can be, which is a great free light that the rest of the world looks at and wishes they could be us, which they still do. All right, but Deborah, Matt Gates, Attorney General, really? So on that one, there was an article put out by Fox where they actually granted anonymity to a lot of GOP House members and Senate members,

where they were saying that they don't believe that he's going to get confirmed, that they're not going to confirm him. So like you, peers, I'm also waiting now. I don't, I'm not so sure that they will confirm him, but at the end of the day, They should confirm him. I could see it happening. Do I think I should confirm him? Personally, I do not. I think that it's important for me to have strong leadership and people who can be examples.

And while I do believe, I don't just think that we should believe all women who make accusations, I think it's important to elect people who young men and women can look up to and really feel confident in. So I would prefer somebody who was maybe a little bit more experience, maybe somebody a little bit less controversial. But I do like the things that he says. I think he's funny and I think he would do a good job as press secretary too because he just he doesn't care. He knows exactly what to say. And she's 100% Matt Gates, which I respect. Okay, Emma, I assume you hate all of them. So let's just choose the three you hate most. Oh, gosh. I mean, I'll just essentially say that I think the Linda McMahon point is really unfortunate.

I don't really care if somebody can make a lot of money, specifically the McMahon's did on union busting their workforce. I care more about if they care deeply about education policy and making sure that we don't gut the Department of Education, which has been a stated goal of the Trump team. I'm deeply concerned about the Trump administration's plans to gut the administrative state, including cutting, including, given how far behind America is in the global league tables on so many education metrics, why are you comfortable about the way the Department of Education has run things for the last few decades. I am absolutely not

annihilated by China and countries like that. Well, in part due to Republican policies, including Betsy DeVos and other Republican states, furthering voucher programs that suck public money and funneled them into private institutions. What about the eight years of Bill Clinton

and the eight years of Barack Obama? The Biden administration did a little bit better. I did not agree. You'll just blame Republicans. I mean, yes, unfortunately voucher programs were a little bit more bipartisan back during the Obama days, but we just saw it got rejected in the red state. That isn't why America's falling so far behind. You're not letting me finish my sentence. I mean,

for all your accusations with me, you're cutting me off in the middle of what I'm saying. Please finish. I'm saying what I'm concerned about for the Trump administration. So I'm concerned that they are, as they have stated, going to gut the administrative state, which includes our Department of Education, the Department of Transportation. All of these things that make the government function, his essentially stated goal has been to do away with them. The Republican Party also has long, since, for the past hundred years, been trying to gut Social Security. I believe that they also want to cut into Medicare and Medicaid when they talk about raising the retirement age. That's essentially a cut. These are programs that Social Security keeps nearly two-thirds of our seniors

out of poverty. I am terrified about that prospect, and that is what the Republic, and so I don't I think it's liberal hysteria because I'm concerned about people going into poverty. And if you want to make it about blue-haired weirdos on TikTok, sure. But these have material consequences for the majority of our population. Okay. Amala, before we finish, I'll talk to you just completely separately about P. Diddy. Because you've had a very interesting experience with Diddy. Tell me about that. Yeah, so just yesterday, we had two private investigators, sorry, the day before yesterday, go ahead and visit an old residence of mine. They showed up at the door. Now a friend of mine remains at that residence. She answered the

door. These two men were claiming to be there to talk to me about my YouTube channel, whether or not I received funding for any of the stories or topics that I cover on my show. She ended up giving me a call. I was able to speak to these two men as they were at her door. And through lots of probing and asking them several questions about who they work for and why they were at my door, they end up admitting that they are private investigators who are working on behalf of a client that they would not disclose, traveling around to the houses of influencers,

knocking their doors and trying to figure out whether or not they've been paid by a certain institution, company, entity to discuss pediities, lawsuits, and his connection to other celebrities. Now, upon finding out that I was not paid, they also let me know that had they found out I was paid by a certain company, entity, client,

they would offer to pay me to disclose exactly who that was, and they'd like to know the business deal that I made with them in order to pay me more to promote the opposite narrative. So obviously I was taken aback by this visit. Very, very strange. Very strange, and there's a lot of stuff swirling around about this case. I suspect we've only heard the half of it so far, but thank you for sharing that.

And yeah, very, very concerning, actually, the way that went down with you. Thank you to my panel. Love you to have you on uncensored. Let's end on a happy note, shall we? Hi, nice to meet you, Pearce. Luke, good to see you again. Deborah, good to see you again. And Amala, thank you very much again for coming back on. I appreciate it.