Piers Morgan Uncensored - Piers Meets The Man Who Paid $9k for Donald Trump's Golden Sneakers & Debates Gender Identity & More

Episode Date: February 22, 2024

Piers Morgan delivers a monologue explaining his stance on gender politics before welcoming his super-pack Debra Lee from the Whatever podcast, comedian James Barr and Piers Morgan Uncensored commentator Esther Krakue to debate this week's hot topics. Plus he welcomes Russian CEO Roman Sharf, who won a pair of Donald Trump's signed golden $9,000 sneakers, as he makes his way to meet with the former president himself! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The problem with limitless gender identity is that it defies some basic facts of life. Various points, for example, I've identified as a black lesbian, a two-spirit penguin and a cat. But despite willing them into existence, at no point if I sprouted whiskers or flippers. Reality has trapped me in the body of a much malign, middle-aged, white dude. And reality came crashing home for a team of female basketball players at a high school in Massachusetts last week in a very literal sense. The match was reportedly abandoned after a biologically male trans woman player injured three girls on the opposing team. Well, the local athletic association said it's against the rules to exclude a player based on their gender identity.

They decided to put inclusivity and the rights of the individual above obvious fairness in competition and above the safety, as it turned out, the majority of the players who were biological females. Like so many of these decisions, these rules are perfectly well-meaning. I don't think these people want to do ill. They hide behind the umbrella of wanting to promote and support trans rights to fairness and equality. My problem with it is that by doing so, they are eroding women's rights to fairness and equality. And excuse the poem, a lot of these things are just nuts, aren't they? Like the video we just saw.

In a near perfect example of live imitating art, their story reminds me of the Daily Wire film Lady Ballers, in which a team of pretty useless men identifies teenage girls to become basketball superstars. So a guy can become a girl with no physical changes at all. Oh, that's called gender fluent. So I can be a woman on the court and a man in the bedroom, I can't believe it.

Nice! Day one of being a girl athlete? I love you. We could dominate every woman's sport, running, swimming, soccer. It would be a lot funnier if there wasn't a real truth to this. This desire to do the right thing, often in total defiance of factual reality, and frankly, common sense, is beginning to cause very real harm.

The great Dr. Phil spoke to Joe Rogan this week. He took on the best issue of hormonal treatment and gender surgery for children. It's interesting they choose words like gender-affirming care. But really what they're talking about is hormonal therapy. or sex reassignment surgery on children. All of the major medical associations have signed off on this, Joe. They've signed off on it. And I have never seen those organizations sign off on anything

with less information as to whether or not it does long-term harm of anything in my life. And when I ask about that, when I bring that up, then they immediately label you as transphobic. Of course. That's always the allegation. I get called that week after week after week. for simply suggesting that the kind of scene we just saw on that basketball court is completely wrong. It's not transphobic to think that.

It doesn't mean I don't like trans people or think they're not entitled to respect and equality and fairness. It means I want to protect women's rights. I feel the need to start almost every conversation on gender identity with a disclaimer. So here it is again. I've got no time for anyone who bullies or ridicules trans people. They can identify how they want. The question is how that self-identification manifests itself when it comes to other people's rights. I don't think the transgender people can expect to have fairness and equality at the same time

that they are destroying women's rights to that same fairness and equality. If that makes me sound transphobic, I think you're the one with the problem. Because I couldn't be clearer. I want fairness and equality for both. Right, the Pierce Pack is back to discuss this, and some of them already visibly bristling. We're going to talk about a number of things. Prince Williams' intervention about Gaza,

Donald Trump and those golden shoes, and some other matters like Madonna falling flat on her face again, and me suggesting it may be time to retire match. So my uncensored super PAC, the unscensored contributor, Esther Crackfield, the comedian James Barr, And from New York, the conservative commentator, Deborah Lee. Well, welcome to all of you. All right, James, let me start with you.

I could feel the bristling. I'm so glad you are starting with me. Feel the bristling. But I want you to really identify what makes you bristle when we discuss these trans issues because you cannot, in all good conscience, look at that basketball court. I can.

And what happened and not think this is ridiculous. I can actually, because what you're failing to mention, and I just quickly Googled this whilst you were chatting. There were six players sent off in the FIFA Women's World Cup last year. They got red cards. Women are also doing the same thing to each other in sport. Did you see the size of that trans woman? You were not there. Let's talk to the people that were affected by that clip. Let's ask them how they feel. But also, I want to pick up on a few things you said. You said that you support trans people and you're not okay with people bullying them.

You're also talking about how you identify as a penguin and a cat. You know why? That's Mickey taking and that is technically transphobic. Well, hang on. It's not, though, is it? You're oversimplifying. But you're not giving the context of why I said those things, right? Context is really important. Yes, they can take my clips and put them around TikTok and everyone throws their toys out the bram, fine. But put context onto the table, right?

Go through those things. What's the context, sorry, what's the context? Go through the things you just said that I said. You said that you were a cat, that you were a penguin. There's a phenomenon called furries with kids turning up at school saying they're cats and being treated like cats by teachers. I think that's completely...

But that has absolutely nothing to do with trans people, so it's completely irrelevant in this conversation. It's about self-identification. Which has everything to do with trans people? I mean, the question is, where do you go to the line? Well, hang on, the trans issues are part of self-identification. The point is, you can now just put your hand up in most sports in the country and around the world and say, I now identify as a woman.

You know that's not true. It's so difficult to identify it. It's really not. It's such a little process. You can't just change your gender? You can just change your... It's so difficult. There are so many barriers to health care and it's terrible.

And people like you are creating this massive... What about Rachel Dolajal who pretended to be a black woman, even though she was a white, blue-eyed woman from, I think, was at Wisconsin? This is again another subject that people... It doesn't make any sense. Where do you draw the line? Because somehow, someone identifying as a cat is ridiculous, but someone identifying as the opposite gender,

which is literally impossible is not ridiculous. So where is the line? But now you're talking about identifying a different race. But why is making... Why is mocking people who are themselves making a mockery of self-identity? Why is that bullying? Because it's not mocking. It's not that they're, I'm sorry, I'm confused with what you're saying.

This argument is so late. Young people who go to school identifying as a cat. I'm not talking about, just to be clear that you raised that with me. You raised it instead that you weren't a transva. And you said to me, I was being effectively a bullying transphobic. By saying, I think kids identifying as cats and being respected for it is not. nuts. You said... Nothing to do with trans people.

You said that you identified as a cat, as a penguin, as a gender. You know why a penguin? Because the BBC came out and said that there were a hundred different ways to identify your gender. So I said to the... Wait a minute. I said to Benjamin Butterworth, who was the guy who came on Good Morning, Britain.

So am I right in thinking you can identify as anything? He went, absolutely. I said, and you have to respect it. Yes, okay. In that case, I'm a two-spirit penguin. Great. Well, I'm happy to you. And which point he said, at which point he said, but the problem is, hang on, at which point he said, you're being ridiculous. And I said, hang on yourself. There are not a hundred genders.

One of them was astragenda, an affinity with the stars and planets. This is bullshit. Listen. So you and I should have a proper discussion about trans rights and women's rights without getting into stupid, ridiculous arguments about whether if I say it's dumb for kids

to be allowed to advise cats, you say it's transphobic. But what you're missing, I'm not saying that. that is specifically transphobic. What I'm saying is that by saying jokes like that, you are empowering people to bully. It's not a joke.

You are empowering people to bully. You're not. You're not. What you're doing is you're mocking a ridiculous concept. Let me bring in Deborah Lee. Don't be very patiently. This is a, I've got to blame America for this. It's all started with you lot.

It's come over here. When you, you know, when you sneeze, we catch a cold. So thank you for bringing this ludicrous woke stuff over here. But on this issue... Hey, don't blame me. I stand up against it. I mean, I just feel like... Yeah.

If we can't have a proper, reasonable debate about things like trans women competing against biological women in sport and it being unfair, without being accused of being transphobic, I think that's really sad, actually. I do too. And I think it's a way to just shut people up

when they don't agree with what we're saying. But it's extremely ignorant to not see how the trans movement has created the way for people to self-identify as penguins and frogs and bears and whatever else they say. If you see on TikTok, there's a woman who purposely makes videos about how to use frog-frog-self pronouns. And to say that this did not stem from the trans movement, allowing people to self-identify however they please, nothing to do with facts or reality, just whatever they please. If you are fully a man, you have all genetically male DNA and you suddenly identify as a woman,

that's the same as somebody identifying as a penguin, although we can still have compassion for those people and want to get them the best care and make them be okay with themselves and happier in their own bodies. To say that this is not connected is completely ignorant of the past few years of culture in this country. It's all connected. Yeah. And I think, James, the problem is what people on the woke left do, they weaponize all these things, immediately adding obic to everything. So if you raise a quizzical eyebrow about anything which is transparently wrong or unfair, they just say you're obit, whatever it is. Transphobic, bigotid, blah, blah, blah, whatever it is.

I think you're empowering transphobia. I don't necessarily think you're being transphobic, and I appreciate that you think. So you agree now I'm not a transphobic? I never said that. But what I think is, I'm definitely not going on record to say that. You should, because I'm not. I'm not, peers, because it's up to you to prove it,

and I don't think you are right now. Listen, we know that we can prove the negatives. I have always said I support trans rights to fairness and equality. It's people like you that have called be transphobic. But by having this. I know you don't have any evidence. Outside of that, it's ridiculous. Look, I sort of, on the whole sport thing,

I think it's an interesting conversation, but I would go even further with my woke ideology, and I would actually suggest that we should be putting, we should not have gendered sports. I think everyone should be quite good. Oh, great, I did. No, wait, wait, I knew it. I think everybody should be in a sports team, my body type.

Fantastic. And then everyone will be safe, and this entire nonsense will be over. Fantastic idea. So we have the Gender Neutral Olympics. And guess how many women, biological women, end up winning medals? Oh, hang on.

No, we put them in a team. That would be a big fat zero. I will be in a team with other men that are my size. You'll be in a team with men that are your size. You'll be in team with women than are your size or men. That is easy. How many women sprinters have you seen who look like Usain Bolt out of interest? But you wouldn't put them against each other.

How would you do it? You would have people like Usain Bolt together, people that are his size. You would have people that... They'd all be men. Okay. They might not be. You might have women that are his size. James, I weigh the same.

and I'm the same height as Lionel Messi. Great. But we've put on the same football team. Yes, I think you should be. Are you mad? No, not mad. But your conversation is mad. And if you're arguing about body types and biological shapes,

then you should put everybody together based on that rule. How are you ever going to improve then if you don't play against people who are better than you? I grew up as an athlete. I played many sports, my whole entire childhood. If I played against men or women who were just the same as me, how would I ever even get better? You need to be in a group of mixed amount of people. And I think that's so dangerous.

United States women against men. Yeah, the United States women's national soccer team played, I think it was the Dallas Under 15 boys team and they lost something like 8-1 or something. Right? I mean, there right there is the whole thing. I've got a clip to play at you, actually. We'll do it in the next segment. It shows the physical disparity between men and women

more clearly than anything. It involves me and my rippling biceps. But before we get to that, let's talk about Donald Trump's sneaker brand. So he announces at this event the other day that he's selling a pair of gold sneakers and somebody bought them. Roman Sharf, a founder and CEO of Luxury Bazaar, bid $9,000 for a signed pair. He was shamed for being a Russian oligarch.

What do we think of this, Esther? Would you have paid $9,000 for Trump's signed gold sneakers? I would, actually, because he can sell it for probably 10 times that amount. Yeah, I thought it was a bargain. Jake? Yeah, exactly. Did you buy them? I could see you guys. No, absolutely not.

Your kind of colour? They're disgusting. You don't have to wear them. It's more the commercial value. What do you think of the person he bought them? I mean, I'm very happy for him if he wants to spend that much money on something as ridiculous as a pair of shoes. But that seems like a waste of money. You could probably get your house out for that.

It's an investment. Is it an investment? Is it? No, I would take it. I would have seen it. You can tell him yourself because Roman Shav is joining us. He's on his way to Merri-Lago right now to meet Donald Trump. No way.

Roman, great to see you. Thank you very much for joining us, sir. According to one of my guests tonight, it's absolutely disgusting what you've done paying $9,000 for these sneakers. Your response, please. Well, first and foremost,

I didn't realize the internet and the media was going to throw up over a sneakerhead buying a pair of sneakers. I am a sneaker head. I'm a big Trump fan. And I put the two together, and I said, you know what? Nine grand is not a bad price.

I've already been offered $20,000 for them just to be on a record. Of course. I bet it's worth a lot more. I mean, are you, for the record, a Russian oligarch? You don't look like one. They don't sound like one. Well, close.

I was born in Ukraine, actually. I am an American. I'm a U.S. Army veteran. And, yeah, I looked at my bank account this morning just in case. And no, it doesn't seem to match the Russian oligar status. You're actually a U.S. military. You're a military vet, American military vet. So when people have been spewing all their bile,

as they do with anything to do with Trump, without knowing actually about your record of service to your country in America. How do you feel about that? They saw Russian Trump and they went off. Your daily male UK are the ones that dubbed me the Russian oligars. They have since apologized and changed the title to Ukrainian businessman. How about just a man? You guys were talking about identities here shortly.

I was listening. And just a man that like sneakers, that like Trump, that bought a pair of sneakers and the world were incredibly. crazy. And result, however, is I get to meet Donald Trump. Well, that's the thing I was going to ask you, because I've been to Murillago. I know Donald Trump very well. I talked to him over night, actually. What are you going to say to him when you see him? I'm going to say that I am grateful for the opportunity to meet a man who is, A, my favorite

politician, B, is a great businessman. And number one, the biggest patriot of this country that I live in, and I am the same way. I am a patriot of this country. I put a response video onto my Instagram channel that went viral and everybody picked it up, basically saying that the worst part about this whole drama was the fact that it once again showed me just how divided America has become over political issues. But don't you think that's because of people like Trump, for example, if we look at January 6th, I mean, you're a defender of liberty and freedom, thank you for your service on behalf of my American friends and family.

But don't you think Trump is to blame for some of that? I don't. I think that our media has been so weaponized. This is exactly what they do to Trump supporters. Anyone who rallies and support, they try to attack him. I mean, in defense of Trump supporters, in defense of Trump supporters, I hope you realize that there's the choice between Donald Trump

and literally a corpse. So I don't necessarily always blame Trump supporters. The opposition is not a lot of it. Well, I'm actually curious, Roman. I mean, just for people who hate Trump, I mean, there's lots of people that hate Trump, lots of people that love him, for those who really do hate him,

Why do you feel so supportive towards him? It's a very simple answer, and people ask me this all the time. And the answer is this. Trump is not a politician, right? And this is what you hear. He's not a good Polish politician and so and so forth. And that's what I love most about him. He has nothing to prove.

He doesn't owe anybody favors like a typical politician brought up in the system of the United States. When he became president, his goal was what he said. He wanted to make America great again, and I truly believe that. Now, whether he's perfect or not, we can argue this till the cows, come home, as they say. But at the end of the day, he's not a typical politician bred through the

system from the bottom up, owing a ton of people in companies' favors on the way up. He's here because he's already accomplished all he needed to accomplish in his life. He's a billion for Christ's safe. I mean, I would say, look, he's very flawed, but then actually a lot of people that I know are very flawed, present company included. I think that he has a style about him, which is incredibly appealing and incredibly unappealing in equal. I also think he has the thinnest skin of anyone I've ever met, and the thickest. So he's a man of many contradictions. But there's no doubt, as things stand, if Joe Biden insists on running for president,

I think Trump will get reelected. And it's going to be an amazing thing to watch. Let me ask you, Roman, you're about to go and see Donald Trump. Are you wearing the sneakers? No, I brought them with me. They're actually not my size. They're size 11. Here, my son just handed them over to me.

My son is in the car with me. Let's have a peek. Let's see. What's your son's name? My son's name is Marcus. Hey, Marcus. How you doing? Good to see you, Mike.

He was, I was at a sneaker event with him that he was doing. All right. So here are the shoes. This is the sign theme. Very gold. Signed by Donald Trump. Very, very Donald Trump.

Let's say that. Sign with, and I can tell that's his signature because he signs them all with the big black sharpies. He carries a whole one of them. He has a beautiful signature. Yeah, yeah. And what are you going to? When you see him, what are you going to say to him, Robin?

I'm going to have a casual conversation with him. I mean, not many men get an opportunity to meet with a sitting or ex-or future president of the United States of America. And my number one question is going to be is off-record, guys, please tell me what you're doing and what the plan is to win this following election because we need you. Okay. Well, listen, great of you to break off from your epic journey with the boots. send him a message from me. It was good to talk to him the other night. So your old mate, Pears, Donald,

is ready to come to Murielago for round two of the interview that rock the world. So put a good word in for me, Roman. You're my big contact right now. Absolutely, we'll do. Just on a person, note, I'm a big fan of yourself. Oh, my God. You're watching for quite a while. So much for having me on your show.

Roman, it's a pleasure. It's great to have you. Thank you very much. And your son, Marcus. Take care. All right, bye. Don't be a hater. Oh, my God.

Don't be a hater. I'm not being a hater. I want to bring it. Hang on. Hang on. I want to bring in Debrue because I think James's reaction, this is one of the reasons why Trump is so popular. And one of the reasons why the Democrats and liberals attempt in America to try and throw the kitchen sink at him about everything they can think of is backfiring and making him stronger and more popular and more electable. It's because of this kind of hysteria that goes on. Absolutely. And when Trump was saying that they weren't coming for him, they were coming for us, and he was. just standing in the way, he wasn't lying. And that's exactly what we see. Anybody who

supports Trump or even says that they like him, suddenly you're treated as if you were just as bad as Trump, which is in their eyes equivalent to Hitler, which as a Jew, I take a lot of offense in that because I think Donald Trump was a phenomenal president. 80 million people voted for Trump in the last election. Nearly 10 million more. But suddenly we're all the crazy ones. Well, hang on, it was nearly 10 million more than voted for him in the first in 2016. People forget that. Astonishing. Far from a repudiation. Yes, he lost. but 10 million more Americans went out and voted Trump second time round. And like I say, if Biden runs, given the state of him right now, I think Trump wins again.

There's a Lincoln Project attack ad about Trump. So I wanted to also ask the panel about because I think this crosses the line. Let's take a look. Donnie, I always knew you'd blow it. You were always a fool. A joke, low rent. I'm ashamed you have my name. How did a son of mine turn out so damn dumb?

I've been dead 30 years, and I'm still ashamed of you. Now that has been put out by the Lincoln Project, a big political action committee founded by moderate conservatives and Republicans, moderate. Esther, when you watch that, that's Fred Trump. That is Donald's father, who's been dead for a long time. That's not him, obviously, saying that. That's just an AI mock-up of him saying... Very poorly done.

Poorly done, but crude and nasty. These are supposed to be the moderate. I mean, it just reeks of desperation. If you have to go, if you have to stoop so low, you really can't criticize Donald Trump because these are the same people that say Donald Trump is crass. He's rude.

He's always insulting people. You've literally done the exact same thing. You've resurrected the memory of his father to put words in his mouth in a very poorly done ad. James, do you agree? How are these people... I do largely, but I think it's worse when Trump does it because he's doing it to millions, billions of people around the world.

How was it was? Okay, I'm sorry. Where that's just one person. But again, here's where I have a problem. It's the equivalence is so fascinating with you, is that you have a much bigger problem if Trump does it than someone does it to Trump. Because Trump is affecting billions of people, and this guy, this AI, is only upsetting Trump.

No, no, these people are trying to stop Trump being in a relationship. Also, I just beat that earlier. I never ever called a Trump voter crazy. I've never said that. You think they're crazy? I don't, but I do think. Do you think it's crazy to vote Trump? I wouldn't personally vote.

Is it crazy to vote Trump? Is it crazy? A little bit when he's got like 90. Well, no, I think it's crazy to vote. Hold on, you can't just say, is it crazy to vote Trump? I don't call Trump voted crazy. Is it crazy to vote Trump? Yes.

That's not the same thing, Pierce. That is not the same thing. Let me bring you in. I think that is a pretty sick thing what the Lincoln project did, actually. I think that's absolutely abhorrent and sickening. To use someone's dead father to try and embarrass them or attack them or put them down, that is so low.

A different level. This is the problem with politics nowadays. If they cannot debate on merits, they will make it personal. Rather than say, oh, Donald Trump didn't have good policies in our opinion, or we didn't like Donald Trump. Here's why you shouldn't vote for him. They try to use his past father to disgrace him. That is so evil and that is something that they should be absolutely ashamed about.

And it goes to show that they just have nothing against him. All they can do is launch personal attacks and try to play in people's emotions. But that is the right that's doing that. That is the Republican Party that are attacking Trump. So that isn't the left. That's actually his own people to a... But I've seen X today, and everyone on the left is absolutely lapping this up,

which again comes from... Not everyone. You check with every single left hand. No, but it's... No, all the ones who have Be kind in their ex-bio profile. You check them all, did you? Yeah.

If it has Be kind, you know... You know they are utterly repulsive. Be-kind is a euphemism for being utterly disgusting. I honestly think it is awful, too. I think there's some horrible... It's got a politics. It is garish. his gutter politics.

Trump has definitely done worse. No, he hasn't done. I don't he's done much worse than that, actually. I think invoking his dead father that way is despicable. Let's come on to Prince William intervening in the Gaza war. He said, I remain deeply concerned about the terrible human cost of the conflict in the Middle East since the Hamas terrorist attack. Too many have been killed, like so many others, want to see an end to the fighting as soon as possible.

Deborah, you're Jewish. What do you feel about the future King of England, intervening in this way in the conflict. I think if he really wanted this war to end, he would call on Chamas to surrender and return all of the hostages. This war will be over the minute that Chmass surrenders. He didn't tell them. He said he hopes the hostages come back,

but he didn't say entirely. And this is a war that would never have happened if it weren't for the brutal mass of by Hamas on innocent people. He said release the hostages. Call out Hamas. Chahmas is the only people propagating this war. Is anyone set up on their weapons?

The war would be over tomorrow. Is anybody celebrating? Nobody's celebrating. We're all under the... We all know that this happened because of what Hamas did on October 7th. We're not crazy people. We all know what happened.

I am glad that you agree with that. But unfortunately, that's not what the world necessarily agreeing with. If you take a quick scroll on Twitter, you will see so many people saying that October 7th was justified. I mean, Twitter is full of bots trying to sell me porn.

You want to pass five protests, calling for a insuffalo. Let me bring in Jace. My problem with... with this, I think, is that I absolutely support Israel's right to defend itself. They have a moral duty to defend their people after the horrific attacks on October the 7th. They were beyond horrific. The question is proportionality.

And also, what is the end game? It seems to me all that Israel is now doing is flattening everything that's there. Northern Gaza is pretty well being flattened. They're going off to Southern Gaza. And now they've given a warning that in two and a half weeks, they're going to attack the biggest refugee camp with one and a half million people, six times the normal population of that camp,

they're going to attack that to eliminate the rest of a mass. Well, if they do that, they're going to kill tens of thousands of innocent, more innocent people, children. Half the people in Gaza are kids, right? That's my problem. This looks disproportionate now. It does.

I mean, I've barely spoken about this because it's just so upsetting to all sides, to all of humanity. The pictures coming out of Gaza are so upsetting. I've heard you talk about a proportionate response and I honestly don't know how I feel about that because there is no proportionate response so how do you respond to it?

I honestly, I'm not a politician so I don't have an answer to that. I'm not sure how you do. But I do think that killing millions of innocent people, thousands of innocent people is wrong. I mean, Deborah, my problem is that... I've read the argument. So like I say, I support Israel's obvious right to defend itself.

But when you have the volume of children now. I think it's 12,000 have been killed, another 20,000 orphaned, many, many more injured, tens of thousands more injured, and innocent women. You have nothing to do with this. And you think that Rafa may be next to be attacked. You surely, just on a human level, you must be beginning to have qualms about the scale of this. Absolutely not. Of course, I feel for the people who are affected by this war who had nothing to do with it. That is entirely to blame by Hamas, their elected government who have no concerns about their own people. They were elected to protect their people and their people would be

totally safe right now if it weren't for their brutal attacks on October 7th. And there is no proportionality. The only way to end this is to eliminate every single Hamas member and to make sure that this never happens again. Because if they have, well, maybe they shouldn't be hiding among civilian members and dressed like civilians. Why don't you condemn them for hiding in refugee jams and hiding in hospitals. No, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. That excuse stopped being valid after 29,000 people die.

The IDF is the most amazing defense lawyers. No, I'm sorry. You say that it's all the IDF shakes buildings and lets people know that Hamas don't care about this. Don't show us all care of each other. We know that Hamas don't care about their civilians. We've known that the Hamas has a track record going back for years, right? But over half of the people in Gaza right now facing this brutality, won't even born when Hamas was elected. You know that you can hide behind that excuse.

and say, oh, it's all Hamas's fault. Actually, the track record of Hamas not caring has already been there. They didn't care about them when they attacked on October 7th. So it's now upon the Israeli government to stop hiding behind the excuse of Hamas and actually do something about it.

I'm sorry, you can't use the same human shields argument when 29,000 people have died. 29,000. Did you hear that? 29,000. And how many of them have been terrorists? Oh, how many of them would have survived at this word shot over 7? They can't even confide on how many Hamas

IDF. They can't even. They can't be terrorists. How many Hamas has been in short that October 7th never ever happens again? The problem on the numbers is when you talk to anyone on the Israel side, they say they don't believe any of the figures that Hamas give them. But when you ask Israel, well, how many Hamas terrorists have you called? They give you precise numbers. How do they know?

Yeah, exactly. How does that work? Explain that. They're just firing bombs. They're just firing bombs. That's not run through Gaza. Oh, so do they have tattoos on their foreheads? Is that it?

Is that it? So Hamas fighters have tattoos on their foreheads. Is that it? Is that how you identify them so quickly? What? How do you identify Hamas fighting from an innocent person that's being pulled dead from rubble? How do you identify? Do they have tattoos? What are their physical markings? I'm not an IDF soldier. I don't know. You have eyes, right? I hear, but I know you're not asking that out of good faith.

You're asking that to try and make the idea of bad. All right, let's just call the temperature a bit here. Jay's on a principle of William getting involved, is that wise? I think so, yeah. I think William should start saying something. I think for a long time he's just not said anything. He was very measured as well. He actually did say something after October the 7th on behalf of him and his wife, right? Yeah. And Israel were happy with his statement that he's just put out.

I don't think he's taken sides. I think he's said what most people now do. Israel doesn't care what other people think of this conflict. Then stop taking foreign aid. If you do not care. Don't talk to each other. Let Deborah say what she wants to say. The people in Israel, the Israeli government,

and the IDF do not care what his opinion or anybody else's opinion is right now. Stop taking foreign aid. All they care about is getting our hostages back. Part of the problem, Deborah, is very clear that Netanyahu and his very right-wing cabinet do not care what anybody has to say, including the United States. Well, that's a problem in itself. That's a different problem. And in Israel, the climate right now, prior to October 7th, there was an extreme divide between the left and the right in Israel. And actually, since this war, politics has been put down for a minute, and people of all different sides and different identifications have joined together and say, right now, all that matters is getting our hostages. When that is over, we can talk about the government and re-evaluate what we need to do. All right, let's move on to something. There's two little lighter things to end on, because Israel is always a very heated debate, and I understand it.

I feel strongly for both sides. Honestly, I do. We're talking about a female gym fluencer in the U.S. called Ali Singer, who goes by the username the Ripped Barbie. We've got a clip of this. I don't wear a shirt. Can you at least have some muscles? looks like. If you're not going to wear a shirt, can you at least have some muscles?

Listen, I get it. You want to train at a gym where everyone keeps their shirt on? That's fine. But this gym isn't one of them. I called Absolute Recomp in Texas, and their rules say you can train with your shirt off. And you signed up there. Therefore, you need to follow the rules, including the rule that says you don't film people without their consent to post on social media.

So just to clarify what went down there, this gym fluencer shamed this guy on social media for not being ripped enough to exercise shirtless. She filmed that, posted to TikTok, and then a fellow male gym fitness influencer, Joey Swoll, posted a video and got her banned. So all sorts of stuff going on here. Esther, where do you sit on,

A, people filming in gyms and be the shirtless issue? Do you need to pass an abs... I'm a bit of a prude. I don't really want to see anyone topless, generally speaking. I just think it's disrespectful to the public. I didn't know people did that. You can wear a singlet. I bet you do it, don't you?

Of course I do. How does I know that? But I think filming someone in a gym is just... Is that because you basically see it as a dating scenario? I think it can be. Is that why you go to service? But no, that's absolutely not why. If I'm in a class and it's really hot and the aircon isn't on.

Really? You stripped down. What? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Why, is that bad? Are you judging me? I couldn't get away with it. I'm just saying. You could get away with it.

I don't want to see your half-naked flesh, thank you. Well, I don't want to see yours either peers, but I wouldn't body shame you for it. I wear proper clothes in the gym. And in fact, this goes back, actually, to the argument we had about men be women in sport. Because I have a trainer in West London called Sarah, and she actually competed in the Olympics for Team GB as a speed skater. And she's very proud of her physique and her muscles and she keeps challenging me to different things each time she comes back from Dubai where she has a gym that she's running there. And each time I beat here. So this time she said, I finally found something. I can beat you at.

So this is your gender Olympics point, right? So she's decided it would be the T-bar, that we would have a T-bar competition. So we began to lift ever bigger weights on a T-bar, and then we got to 55 kilograms, about 120 pounds, and this happened. Come on. This is fair idea for the challenge. I've got big back and arms. Really? Just see how big that dance she is. Come on, boss, cool. Brogan.

Funny that. Sorry, mate. I feel like Sarah wasn't really even trying. So just to be clear, I don't go shirtless. I don't want to make other men feel inadequate. But secondly, the point I would make there is I'm 58 years old. I'm not a spring chicken. I'm certainly not an Olympic athlete.

And there you have a woman, around half my age, who is an Olympic athlete. You don't have an adjudicator in the room, so I'm not sure I can trust this. Are you joking? Was that AI? Are you serious? Like, how do I know that was real? No, no. My actual regular trainer, James was witnessing and I'm videoing it. And apologised to his boss for the humiliation that then came away.

Debra, what you... You have to concede. Sorry. Debra. Where do you sit with all this, Deborah? I mean, I think firmly, you keep your shirts on. You show some decorum. And actually, you don't film people in gym.

without their permission. I would definitely agree on the not filming. I feel uncomfortable if I even take a picture of myself and there's some people who might be in the background at the gym because you never know what people are working on or going through and they don't consent to be on your social media or be in the background of your TikTok. But as far as being shirtless, I don't think it's that big of a deal.

I think if you're sweating all over the place and it's unhygienic, yeah, wear a layer of protection to absorb that stuff. But in general, as a woman, I understand why wearing just a sports bra can help you see in the mirror where you're living. lifting and make sure that you're actually toning and reaching certain muscles. So if it inspires to workout and to get healthier, then I really couldn't care less. And if I see a lot of guys with a six-pack, I'm not complaining. I think seeing James Barr's naked flesh would be the opposite of inspiring me to great heights.

I think we should both do the gym topless together. I challenge you to come to the gym. Let's move on to our final subject. This is a sad story of a pensioner falling over. Not Joe Biden this time, but it's a pensioner falling over. Let's take a look. Madonna, who I think should have been retired many years ago. It gets more and more embarrassing.

James, you and I have juked that about Madonna before, but honestly, mate. But she's now just falling over, like, by... It's time, isn't it? Madonna's fallen over before, and she's got back up again, and she's amazing. She's slaying. The knees weren't as creaky. Honestly, like, Piers, you're a pensioner, and your rating is falling, so I don't know why you're retired.

Actually, my ratings are great, except when you're on. You're nearly a pensioner, and that's not sure about your ratings, actually. Let me ask Deborah about this, because apparently with falls a significant cause of pension and mortality, and she is a pension. She's 65. I'm genuinely concerned about her welfare. I think it's honestly an individual basis. Like my grandparents are both in their 90s and there are spring chickens, as they say, lifting weights, going to the gym every day, really truly healthy. But Madonna just doesn't look okay. And I'm sincerely sending help and good wishes her way. I think she definitely should be a little bit more careful. But if she were to go out on stuff, I feel like she'd be okay with that. What the thing is, she doesn't look okay because she's full of Botoc. That's so patronising. Madonna is a complete and utter embarrassment. It is like your drunken arm at a wedding.

This is for the man that opened this segment earlier with the word by calling himself a dude, can we just say. Yeah. That's wrong about that. I think that's probably the most embarrassing. When I go down to Middle America, they call me that British dude. Oh my God. The British dude. I just wish she just leave Madonna alone.

She's an icon. It's only we could. What do we could? It's a bit like Megan and Harry. Leave them alone. That's the last thing they want these people. Madonna won't quit. They're the most ridiculous attention seekers

in the history of planet Earth. Leave them alone. You're the biggest attention seeker ever. So that's such a hypocritical thing to say. I deserve attention, James. Oh, really? Do you? On that bombshell, thank you to my pack. It's the first one of these we've done

the extended pack for YouTube. I enjoyed it, actually. So thank you all for joining me and come back soon. Apart from you, James. Thank you very much. Thank you.