Piers Morgan Uncensored - Piers Morgan Uncensored: Bill Bailey

Episode Date: August 3, 2022

Standing in for Piers, Jeremy Kyle looks at the war on terror after a US strike takes out Ayman al-Zawahiri, two decades after 9/11. As energy bills are predicted to rise by 83%, Jeremy asks when will real help for the public arrive? Jeremy also speaks to Bill Bailey who is taking part in a 100-mile walk for charity in memory of Sean Lock. Watch Piers Morgan Uncensored at 8pm on TalkTV on Sky 526, Virgin Media 627, Freeview 237 and Freesat 217. Listen on DAB+ and app.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Uncensored with me, Jeremy Carl. Now, coming up on tonight's program. Over two decades since 9-11, America finally get their revenge on Al-Zwhihiri. What happens next, though, in this never-ending war on terror? Our energy bills are predicted to rise by a ridiculous 83%. And with Truss and Soon-out producing more U-turns than a DVLA test center, when will real help for you ever arrive. A nine-year-old girl stabbed in Lincolnshire. We're joined by a mother who knows exactly the hell

her family are going through. And later we catch up with comedian Bill Bailey walking from Cornwall to Devon in memory of his great friend and amazing comedian Sean Locke. Good evening, my friends. Now, the assassination over the weekend of al-Qaeda's Aymn al-Wahiri was a stark reminder that the threat from terrorism in Afghanistan and beyond is not going away anytime soon. This afternoon, Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi has become the most senior politician in 25 years to visit Taiwan. A move described. tonight by China as playing with fire. Thanks to Russia, we already have a war raging in Europe.

Pierce's brilliant dispatches last week showed us that reality. But the question is, is Ukraine, in fact, just the start? I dragged these figures out. Check this. August was when World War I broke out. It was also in this month that Adolf Hitler ordered the invasion of Poland, which sparked World War II into action. American engagement in Vietnam and the first Gulf conflict to other wars that started in August.

So with events moving fast in this hot and feverish time of the year, we've been what we had planned for tonight's show and have instead created a special war room to explain to you what on earth all this means. Well, as I said and just mentioned, yesterday President Joe Biden confirmed Al-Qaeda leader Aiman al-Wahiri, Osama bin Laden's number two, and a man behind the deaths of thousands

had been killed via a CIA drone strike in Kabul. Biden commented the military precision of the operation and managed to prevent civilian casualties completely. We're delighted to be joined now by Major Andrew Fox, a veteran of three grueling tours of Afghanistan, and former British commanding lieutenant general David Leakey. Gentlemen, welcome. A day, I think, that has caused an enormous number of people

quite rightly to think. Let's ask you, firstly, David, what is the killing of this top al-Qaeda leader mean in terms of the world in its entirety? Well, it's a clear indication by the US that they haven't finished the campaign. And this campaign's been running for since 9-11 and the Americans haven't given up on it.

And as President Biden said, this is justice. And that the Al-Qaeda will understand very clearly and not just Al-Qaeda, but the wider group will understand very clearly that they do not have impunity or immunity from retaliation. and this guy has been on the wanted list for years and years. There's been a bounty on him and they got their man. I think the question that then crumbs up is,

what are the consequences? What are the repercussions? On the global stage, I don't think we'll see anything yet, but I think America has sent out a very strong signal that if insurgent groups, terrorist groups, continue to take them on, then they can expect to have retaliation. on their own terms.

I guess the question bringing in Andrew here is the vacuum. You know, you served three tours in Afghanistan. This evil leader is no more. What happens next? I mean, the Americans withdrew from Afghanistan. This guy was taken out in Kabul. He was in a safe house there. What do you think is happening on the ground now in Afghanistan, Andrew?

The safe house was being run by Siraj Haqqqqqani, who is the Interior Minister of Afghanistan. So what we're really seeing is a split between two Taliban groups at this point. You have the Kandahari faction in the south who are very, you know, more keen than the northern Taliban to establish links with the West and maintain at least a semi-peaceful organization. However, the northern Taliban, they want an isolated country. And now you have a power vacuum.

It depends who's going to be taking over. Is it Hakani or is it someone from the Kandahari group? I think Kandahari group is in our better interest. but the current reins of power are with the Hakarnis. Their credibility is damaged because Al-Zawari was staying with Hakhanes when he was killed. And who comes next? Yeah, exactly.

I mean, you know, I want to bring in, if I can, former Assistant Secretary of State for Political Military Affairs, Mark Kimet. Mark, welcome live from America, General Mark Kimet. The other part of this today, we've talked about al-Qaeda, we've talked about Afghanistan. Nancy Pelosi in the last couple of hours, the most senior, I think, in 25 years American politician lands in Taiwan. No mention of anything from the White House.

This is stoking fire. I think China described it as a bad decision, stoking the flames. What do Americans make of what Nancy Pelosi's done tonight, Mark? Well, I don't think the average American really sees this as a significant event. Candidly, it shouldn't be. We've had congressional delegations going over to Taiwan for years and years. As the National Security Advisor said, if China wants to make a big deal out of it, that's up to them.

It's not a big deal for us. And if the Chinese want to increase their military activities, if they want to increase the tensions, I'm sure the United States is prepared to respond to kind. General Kim, you know, people would say that China have been watching what Russia have done in Ukraine. Pierce talked last week about this new axis of evil,

Iran, China and Russia. Do you think Pelosi's trip and the silence from Biden, do you think the al-Qaeda take out, do you think all of this will stoke that access or not? I really don't think so. Biden's silence has more to do

with the fact that he got ahead of his headlights by disagreeing with Speaker Pelosi's visit over there. So while the, the White House may have wanted to look like they were supportive. In fact, they looked like they were working against Nancy Pelosi. But as to the issue of this axis of evil, as the old term used to go, between Iran and China and Russia, well, that's not a group I'd want to join because there's a lot of incompetence

in that group. There's a lot of capability, but not a lot of competence in terms of fighting a significant measure of warfare as we've seen in places such as Ukraine of light. Bringing it back to you, David, you talk about, you know, people watch this and they hear, read and see what's going on in the world. Should people be sleeping easier in their beds tonight? Is the world a safer place because that man's been taken out? Does it create that vacuum we've talked about? Terrorism will continue. What are your thoughts? What would you say to people? I don't think it makes the world a safer place. And I go back to this axis of evil thing.

there are lots of axes of evil, and they all have overlaps, and one of the overlaps between them is that they want to destabilise the West and some of the values and standards and jealousies. And Putin shares that with some of these groups. Putin used some of the supports and encourages these groups to destabilise the West. They're not part of the same campaign. They are not on axis because Putin's aims and objectives are for Russia.

and they're different from the ones from Al-Qaeda or IS or anyone else you want to. Might he not look at China now in a more favourable, you know, be an ally, whether we talk about business or political unity in terms of what's happened? I mean, somebody sent this in today, and I know what you're going to say. Putin, whatever people make of it, this aggression against a sovereign nation, if the Americans can take out this guy on a balcony, I don't even know where the rocket was launched from, why can't we do that to Putin?

Well, you go back to why was this done in the first place. Here is a war criminal and individual guy who, and the judgments on this will all be about the degree of legality and illegality, the degree of proportionality and justification. But he's killing thousands of people in Ukraine? Particularly in the public media. And in the West, you can get away with that.

It's partly political. It's partly legal. It's partly proportionality. Ethics, morality. All of these things get weighed up. And the senior guys make a judgment. This one is doable. We'll get away with this. We'll get away with it legally, politically, medially and mediatically, and so on. So it's justifiable. You can't do that to Putin. He's running a country. This guy was, actually, this guy is a nobody. 25 million dollar bouncing. He said, Andrew, can I just bring... He was ill. He was powerless and toothless. But it sends a message. That's the key thing. Do you worry just finally, you work there, you did your bit, you've got contacts on the ground in Afghanistan. That vacuum, let's just finish with that. Do you fear that this will just continue?

Do you fear that this will enhance the chance for the world to be at war or not? What do you make of it? No, I think the Taliban at the lower levels, are particularly shaken by this. They thought they'd beaten America. I've seen that from a social media post today. How did they strike us? We beat them.

And as David said, there's a very clear message that America can still reach into Afghanistan and touch them should they start to bring up... But that's not being there? Does it make it harder to police? Is that what I'm saying, basically? The country harder to police? I mean, it's already pretty lawless, frankly.

I mean, it's hard to see how it could possibly get worse with the Taliban in charge. You know, these are a fundamentalist, Islamist group who rule with a reign of terror. It's not going to get any easier or better whilst the Taliban is still in charge. I guess for everybody watching this, this tonight, whatever your views of it. It's about what happens next. It's about managing it

and trying to make sure that the world is a safer place. David Leakey, Andrew Fox, thank you very much indeed. Also, Major General Kimmett in America. Right next on Uncensored, BP, get ready for this, have posted their biggest profit in 14 years, a whopping 6.9 billion quid. That is, as your energy bill goes through the roof and the cost of living crisis deepens, after the break, we'll hear how one Food Bank is coping with increased demand and how some are even preparing to become warm spaces once winter hits. Don't go anywhere. Stay with us. We're coming back in three. Welcome out, my friends. This is uncensored with me, Jeremy Car, for the next five weeks, you lucky, lucky people. Now, the word food bank entered everyday use in the aftermath of the

financial crash and the coalition government's austerity budget. Sadly, it looks like this winter could mark the entrance of warm banks into the English dictionary. The research firm Cornwall Insight predicts the energy price cap is on track to rise. This is ridiculous. To 3,615 quid a year from January. And with our next two potential Prime Ministers offering seemingly only U-turns and magic money trees, is there really any serious help

reaching households when it's most needed any time soon? Johnny Minow is Conservative MP Colonel Bob Stewart, along with Dawn Samford from the Nourish Community Food Bank in Tumbridge Worlds. Dawn, before we speak to you, I just want to shoot to Colonel Bob Stewart. Colonel Bob, yes, the British Army you were part of, but also part of the British-Taiwanese all-party parliamentary group,

along with Lord Rogan. A quick response from you, Colonel Bob, on tonight's developments, Nancy Pelosi, Taiwan, al-Qaeda. Well, I'm very pleased that Pelosi's visited Taiwan. I'd like to see actually more contact with Taiwan. I think we should actually face off China. Taiwan's a very, very successful democratic nation, and we should encourage it. It's absurd that it's not part of the United Nations. That is absurd. It's absurd that it's not part of other

international organizations where it's been blocked by Chinese actions. And with regard to the death of Alza Wahairi, I think I'm very pleased that he's gone because the man actually is the sort of person that wants to kill my family, your family, this country and destroy our society. So that's my answer to your two questions. Right, well, that sort of nails it. Thank you, Colonel Bob. Let's move on. Before we speak to Dawn, who runs the nourish community food bank in Tumbridge Wells, and Bob, I said this last night to somebody who gave me, I suspect the answer you're going to. When people in this country wake up, okay, this morning to hear that BP has yet again reported massive profits, 6.9

billion for three months, more than triple the amount it made last year. People say to me, it's a capitalist society, companies have to make profits. Last year they made nothing. What do you, a Conservative MP, say, right? Your part has been in power for 12 years to people north and south in this country who are struggling that much. They cannot make the payments for their bills, and they hear about these conglomerates coining it in.

What do you say, Colonel Bob? I say we've got to actually look at these profits because they're immoral. Actually, their money taken out of all of us. We've actually got to see how we can actually reduce them and actually give that back to the people that actually make the companies have the profits, i.e. the people.

That sounds very socialist, but I'm afraid I'm feeling that way myself. Isn't that interesting from a long-standed Conservative MP? You say that sounds socialist, but to anybody with a heart or a soul, whatever your political persuasion, you would say that that makes sense. Because you can't really over-exaggerate, can you, Bob,

what this cost-of-living crisis is doing for people? They are... I mean, you know, people will say, oh, we're struggling, but they really are struggling. When bills go out that much... And I don't understand... Forget the morality. I don't understand why the government is not saying to these companies,

we're going to freeze your profits, we're going to cap your prices, and we're going to look after the people that, frankly, you're ripping off. I think they are. I think they're going to have to have a look at this very carefully. I think actually some moves have already been made. I think we put the energy companies on notice

that they can't continue to do this. They have got to be able to justify these profits and the amount of money that people who work for them get sometimes. I completely agree. Let's put perspective on this, because it's all well and good, isn't it, on Talk TV to just be throwing figures out the whole time. I want to introduce you to Dawn Stanford,

the operations director of Nourished Community Food Bank in Tumbridge Wells. When we first spoke, I remember saying to you, Dawn, a food bank in Tumbridge Wells, that sounds ridiculous. Just explain to Colonel Bob, who probably knows anyway, but the people listening, how bad it is, how many more people you're seeing, and the reality of this cost of living crisis, if you can? The reality is that it is hitting everyone.

Across my desk today came a family, working family. Lady in the house is poorly. She's terminally ill. She's been sent home from hospital with an electric powered hospital bed. Can't afford the electricity to run the bed. So we as a food bank now provide fuel vouchers for prepayment customers to make sure that they don't get cut off and to help these people

because there's nowhere else for them to turn. Everything is tough. I mean, every time I think I've seen the worst case come across my desk, there comes another. In Bristol today, we learned, we tried to get the mayor of Bristol is busy, but that warm banks are going to be created. I mean, just, you know, this is 2022.

This is the United Kingdom, allegedly the fifth most, you know, financially secure country in the world, warm banks for people to actually go and stay warm this winter and that old thing I mean I guess Dawn what I'm saying is people will go oh homeless people go to food banks

but the reality is your clientele's going through the roof your donations are going down and it's bleak right it's bleak yeah I'm not getting much sleep I look a lot greyer than the last time you saw me Jeremy yeah I mean our running costs are increased we are suffering the same as every other business up and down the country

donations are through the floor because the people who donate, the cost of living crisis is hitting them, and our clients are up because the cost of living crisis is hitting them. There isn't one person that it doesn't affect, not one person. It doesn't matter what end of the scale you're at. You're affected by this. Colonel Bob, if I can come back to you, the current Tory leadership, we've talked about blue-on-blue attacks.

To me, it's too long, it's paralysing government, and both Sunak and Trush should be listening to Dawn Sanford tonight and saying, what can we do as a government after 12 years to prevent warm banks in 2022? How do you respond to that information, Colonel Bob? Well, I think my answer is that we've got to do, we've got to actually look at the whole package. We've got to look at society completely because, frankly, this is absurd. I can't stand the idea that people in my country don't have enough to eat.

We're a rich country and we should sort this out. for something is wrong in the way we, you know, the way the society works. We've got to sort this out. So we've got to actually make sure that those people, the poorest in our society, are looked after properly. I mean, please don't think that it's just a, you know, a socialist view of life. It's my view, too. I believe absolutely strongly that we as a country must look after those people

that can't look after themselves. And that means I think we're going to have to look at the way we order society and the way we do things, because things aren't working particularly well at the moment. But in terms of, you know, the current leadership candidates, we heard from, you know, Boris Johnson's government was all about leveling up that the reason I've put Dawn on is that's Tumbridge Wells, for goodness sake. What do either of those candidates constructively say, do you think, Colonel Bob, that will inspire people to think we can create?

And I'm, you say it, you're not a socialist, I guess I'm not. But it's appalling to think that people will have to go to a charitable organisation to stay warm this winter. Yeah, yeah, I agree. And so we've got to do something about it. Goodness knows, I'm no expert on this. I'm not an economist. I'm not, I'm a sleepful. You're honest.

I'm as honest as I can be. But I'm still a politician. I've got to do the very best for everyone. But I actually think that in our society, we've now got to look very carefully at those people who are in the bottom section of our society who really need help. We need help to get them off that. We need help to get them so they're looked after properly.

I mean, it's not just on food. It's also on things like medical care. Just very quickly, Colonel Bob, don't think me rude. 30 seconds, Dawn, you're shaking your head. What do you want to say? With all due respect, Colonel Bob, these are not the lowest and the most vulnerable in our communities. These are working families. 90% of our clients are working.

And the families that are coming across the households, they are in this because they physically cannot work anymore. They cannot do anything themselves to change their circumstances. They can't increase their hours. There aren't any more hours, or they just physically can't work them. I'm going to have to wrap. I don't disagree with that. I'm going to have to wrap.

I could do this all night. Colonel Bob Stewart, you're not associates. You're an honest politician. I don't think there's many of them. And Dawn Stanford, what you do and people like you is an absolute credit. Thank you for joining us. Right, next and uncensored. Last week, the UK rocked by yet another appalling death as a result of knife crime.

This time, unbelievery, the deceased was just nine. years of age. Now, stabbing are on the rise, but are the victims getting younger? We'll discuss that in detail after the break. We're coming back in three. Welcome back to Unsensit with me, Jeremy Kalner, with a seemingly unstoppable torrent of knife crime showing no sign of abating. It's become all too easy to just tut and sigh and turn the page when reading of the latest brutality. Well, the stabbing of nine-year-old Lillia Vallatita is not so easy to move on from. Her shocking death this week follows 12-year-old Ava White's at a christend. light switch on and 14-year-old Foresma 2's in April last year. Now, stabbing's are going up, but unbelievably the age of the victims is actually all going down. Delighted to be joined now by Tracy Hansen. Her son Josh was 21 years of age when he was stabbed to death in 2015. She now runs a charity in his memory, which raises awareness of knife crime and helps organisations in tackling it.

Also joined by former Detective Peter Blexley, former a superintend. send to the Met Leroy Logan. Gentleman, just a tick. But Tracy, I want to start with you. I said it last night to Holly Dance, the mother of Archie Battisbee. When it's your kid and I have five, how do you move on from something so, I don't know, horrendous ever?

The honest answer is you don't move on, you just move forward and do the absolute best you can in their memory. It keeps shining the light on them. There's a 10% increase in knife crime year on year. You say the statistics are higher. What do you want? How do we change this? We seem to have spoken about this for years.

What is your answer as the mother of a victim? That's a very tall question, to be honest with you. And I don't think there is one answer to that question. But I would like to see a much more uniformed approach, cross-party approach, government, police, communities, indeed members of the communities, parents, schools. Right across the board, we need to have open conversations around crime, violence, victimology, and we shouldn't be scared of those conversations because education is the key.

You actually go into primary schools to advocate how kids should behave, choose your friends more carefully, etc., etc. Does that help you in a way with your own grief? Yes, yes it does, because it's saving other lives. And the feedback that we get is positive. When I share Josh's story, it's a true story. There's no data, no impact. Share it with us.

Josh was a 21-year-old boy, I say, because he was just a man. And he walked into a bar and was approached by somebody that he'd never met before. There was no altercation, no argument, no fight. all the things that society typically thinks should follow any kind of form of violence. And he was approached by somebody who had a very long history of criminal activity, was an organised crime group member, was carrying a knife. And he approached my son and asked him what his problem was, to which Josh replied, I don't have one.

And then he was struck with full force with a Stanley knife, and Josh suffocated on his own blood at the scene. Peter Blexley, former Scotland Yard Detective, we've spoken in the past a lot about, you know, this, I don't know, cancer that is knife crime. We've talked about stop and search. We've talked about the worrying trend of the age-dropping. We're here from such a brave mother who's going into schools. What do we need to do?

When does the talking stop? How can we change this? I've had the great honour of knowing Tracy for some years, and I'm always humbled just by being in her company. and much of what she says is absolutely right. Excuse me. The talking needs to carry on, and Tracy and other brave people in various charities

are reaching out to community schools and spreading the message and trying to stop these young people before they walk out of the door of their homes going, right, have I got my keys? Have I got my phone? Have I got my knife? That's the fundamental thing that needs to be tackled.

How do we tackle that? What do we say? What do we do? Do we make the laws stronger? What do we do? It's complex. Do we need more police? Yes.

Do we need stop and search? Yes. And what a thorny subject that is. Look how often people get up in arms over that. Well, let's just look at it. We have got children killing children, sadly. So they do need to be stopped and searched, but it's got to be done properly, proportionately, and explained well.

And there's many other factors. Theora Logan, M.B., former police superintendent with the mayor, stop and search, does it work? If it's done properly, absolutely. If it's intelligence-based, not seen as a fishing expedition, because when you have a hit rate of one in ten, you've got someone might be carrying a knife,

invariably carrying drugs, and then you've got nine other people who are discontent in the way they've been treated without respect and dignity, and they could be potential sources of information. When it's one in ten, though, I read a statistic last year. Let's say, I could be wrong,

70,000 stop and search in London, and they found four or five thousand knives. Isn't it worth it? Well, you can find as many knives. The issue is how you target those who are carrying the knives, who are going to use it. So a lot of that, you know,

people don't just carry knives and don't tell their mates. So it's a question of educating people to know they are not grassland and mates, they're investing in the community to get safer and stronger. And also, And as Trace has already said, education is a key.

I've been running a charity called Void Youth for 20-odd years. And we have seen young people who come from very dysfunctional backgrounds and feeling devalued and feeling persecuted, and they've turned it around. And to be more positive young people through our Young Leeds for Safer Cities program. So it can be done. It's been done on a larger scale. Taking Lero's point, younger, you know, we're talking younger victims.

Why are the victims getting younger? Is it social media? What is it in your mind, Pete? I think there's multiple factors at play. And let's not duck the issue, absent parenting, people being absent from school, many other thorny issues. And I can hear people being enraged by the dimension of it.

Not me. Not me. But we have to tackle these. We have to be courageous enough to say, these are the issues. How do we tackle them? How do we support these young people? To make them most of the ability that they've got so they can be the best possible human being they can.

There's got to be a line, though, between support and with respect, your son was 21 years of age, but when you hear of that nine-year-old, I mean, I just, to me, yes, parents, but are we being strict enough? Are the penalties for knife crime strong enough? What do you make of that? Do you think we should be stronger legally?

To be honest with you, I don't think that's going to make much of a difference because if you're petrified and you're carrying a knife, because you are scared. The penalty outweighs your fear. You're not going to think about that. And again, if you're an opportunist or you are a criminal

and you're looking to raise your profile, again, that's only going to feed into your profile. I'm a bad man, or I can do this, or I'm a girl who's part of county lines. I don't think that's the answer. I really don't. What I think the answer is is intervention and prevention. And working together in a holistic way,

We talk about young children and what do we do with young children and young adults? Well, what do we do with the family as a whole? It can't just be the child. It's like I always say to young children and to the teachers when I speak to him. If you fell down and broke all the fingers on your hand, would you go to A&E and ask them to repair one finger?

No, you would not. You want your whole hand repaired. It's the same thing as being in a home environment. Some of these children have older siblings who are part of the criminal justice system. Just do you take Peter's point briefly, that parental responsibility, we've talked about intervention and prevention. We've talked about the police.

I do agree that parental responsibility has to shine through. But at the same time, parents need to be educated. I have supported parents that don't even understand some of the consequences around that. And they're listening to their young people, having conversations, and they're scared themselves. It's a very complex situation. Just around the table, I think we all agree it's complex.

I think it's important for everybody to be involved, you know, to be involved in a process that will improve it. Can we reverse, briefly from all three of you separately, can we reverse this situation in the United Kingdom? Definitely. Definitely. It's going to take time. I think one of the things we have to really understand is a pipeline to that form of mindset and criminality.

One of the key things that's been part of that is exclusions. Because when you exclude a child, you're now cast them out from their networks that can keep them positive, and their alternative provisions. It's very patchy. So we've got to reduce that pipeline into crime and that mindset of using it.

This is where police comes in and working with agencies. Because you can't arrest you out the problem. You can't stop and search you out of the problem. You've got to work in partnership, more than the prevention side. The hardest thing about this job sometimes is I could talk about this for another hour.

What comes out is that everybody has to work together. Tracy Hanson for sharing the story. Thank you, Peter Blexley. And of course, Leroy, Logan. Thank you so much. Knife crime. It's a horrific thing and it's something that needs to be sorted. And as these three have just said, everybody needs to work together.

Right next, an uncensored action comedian Bill Bailey is retracing his steps. A hundred miles worth in memory of his friend, the late great comedian, Sean Locke. And he will join us live after the break. We're coming right back. Welcome back to Unsensitive with me, Jeremy Kyle. Thank you for tuning in. Now, 12 months ago, the UK lost one of the funniest men ever to appear on British television. And Sean Locke made us laugh on shows like 15 stories high and 8 out of 10 cats,

and anyone lucky enough to watch his stand-up live knew they were really in the presence of a comedy genius. His dear friend and fellow comic Bill Bailey has just completed his first day of a 100-mile walk in Sean's memory. The journey will take Bill along the southwest coast, which is one of Sean's favorite routes, in order to raise funds for an amazing, amazing organisation, Macmillan Cancer Support. Delighted to be joined by Bill Bailey now on uncensored. Bill, how are the feet after day one, my friend? Well, I'd be lying to you if I said they were in 100% tipped-up shape. I'm suffering a little bit.

They're a bit sore, but it was quite a tough walk this one. It's a tough old section of the path. But we're in all in good spirits. We feel good. 100 miles, an amazing tribute to the late great Sean Locke. You've raised, I think, upwards of £60,000 already, which is tremendous. And the details are on screen now.

How far a day? What are you doing? 20 miles a day for five days or 10 miles a day for 10 days? Or what? What's the plan? Yeah, well, the plan is that we will be walking approximately 14 miles a day. average because we're walking 100 miles

in about seven days in seven days so it's some days are longer some days are shorter but it averages out yeah about 14 days which is I mean you know it's a good hike if it's on the flat but

the terrain around here is quite challenging a lot of the path it goes up and then down there's a lot of a sense and descents so it feels a lot longer it's really tough on the old, on the calves, but the views are spectacular. It's, you know, it's one of the most stunning sections of the whole South West Coast

Pass. So it's, you know, we're really, we're all in good spirits. We're having fun. We had a great day today. I know Sean's family and several famous friends joining Lee Mack today. What would, what would Sean make of this initiative, Bill? Well, the thing is, I think, I think Sean would, would, really be quite chuff with it all. I think he'd be, you know, Sean was someone that never really,

you know, he was quite private in many ways, you know, although he had quite a very public profile. And he loved spending time with friends and family. And I think that aspect of it, I think he would really love, because what this walk has done is brought a lot of people together. You know, like you say, his family are here, his, you know, extended family, his brother. his sister, his cousin, his wife, Anushka and the kids. And it's turned into a wonderful sort of an occasion where we all get together and everyone is remembering him and talking about him and coming up with stories. So I think he'd be really chuffed.

I think it's the kind of thing he would love. I mean, Sean loved walking. He loved the outdoors. Sean and I walked miles and miles together over the years. and particularly this section of the coast, which is one of his favourite sort of... Now, I know you've got upcoming shows at London's Royal Opera House

as part of the en route to normal international tour. Do me a favour to finish, Bill. How would you... You're one of the best. How good was he? What made Sean Locke so good at comedy? He had a unique sense of humour. Sean had a brilliant mind, a brilliant comic sensibility. He had that unpredictable quality,

which so many other comics would turn out to watch. You know, he was a real one-off. I really appreciate you joining us. I think the walk that you're doing to raise that money for Macmillan is so worthwhile. 60 grand details on the screen. Bill Bailey, good luck with the next six days. You'll be all right with those legs from Strickley.

And thank you for joining us on Piers Morgan, uncensored, quarter to nine. Well, the only thing I've managed to change in the last two days is I thought that there are the crack. title of Peersy's Pack. I thought it was lazy. So yesterday, we renamed it Jez's Journows. And joining me now on day two, this is going to be hard work. Hold on a minute.

What did you tell you? Listen, be quiet. I haven't even started. Socialist author, known to like champagne, Grace Blakely. It doesn't work. A Marxist Moe drinker. Don't give me that. And talk TV contributor, Esther Crackers, or Craiku, is what they call.

Of course. How are we? Oh, great. They said to me, there's so many things. things that we want to talk about, but what we should start with is, well, I'll tell you what, we'll leave that to the end. Cost of living, you heard me say,

BP, 6.9 billion quid profit in the last three months, three times last year, whilst this country quite literally is on its backside. Bills going through the roof, 3,600 quid in January. Short, sharp answers, is it not disgraceful that these companies are not being forced

to give back some profit? Here's my problem, because I do think it's disgraceful, and they're clearly profiting off giving people a hard time when they're finding it difficult to live. I fundamentally disagree with the windfall tax in principle because it's the government saying, oh, we think you've made a bit too much money this year, so we're just going to take it back.

But what I do think they should be doing is making these big corporations pay their first share in the first place. You shouldn't need a windfall tax if companies like Amazon, like BP, like these massive companies, are actually paying what they should be paying in the first place. Now, we would be politically very apart, but Colonel Bob Stewart, Tory MP, said,

I'm going to sound slocious, it is immoral that these companies are making this money when people in this country are struggling, right? It's immoral. It's irrational. It makes absolutely no sense. Where is all this money going? There's all this money is going into the pockets of, you know, shareholders. Well, this is the point, right? The reason that we've had all these long-term cuts to corporation tax is that we were told will cut corporation tax and nice, responsible companies will go out and spend it on investment, create jobs, boost wages. We've had a decade of wage stagnation,

right? At least in part because we've had this long-term attack on the labor movement, people haven't been able to bargain for higher wages. And what have these fossil fuels are? companies done. They have not invested in what they said they would do, which is decarbonising, finding alternative sources of energy. Instead, they've just raked it in on fossil fuels, exacerbating the climate crisis and also exacerbating the climate crisis. I think the shock news, Jeremy Cowell's just become a Marxist. She's speaking complete sense, isn't she, woman? I know for the first time. Oh, don't start. Right. I am told to move you lot along because we've got lots to get through.

Penny Morden, who was like that with Liz Truss. They were slagging each other off, has now come in support of her out of the house. Last night introduced at the exit of hustings. It was like, as somebody said, it was the best speech. It's Oscar like she was prepared. She's been angling for a job in the cabin, hasn't she, great? Well, I mean, this is so unsurprising.

This is what politicians do. They are machines that are programmed to ensure their own self-interest, to maximise their own interests. And Penny Morden's decided that she's going to fall in line behind Liz Trust, because it's very obvious at this point that Liz Trust is going to win. It's why our political system is

so broken. It's why it took so long for Boris Johnson to be ousted because everyone, you know, are you? You're gutted about that, are you? What about Boris Johnson leaving? Yeah, absolutely. Because I think he'll be back in two years. Do you know what my conspiracy theory? I think Liz Truss will serve for two, right, this is true, I read this today. Liz Trust will serve for two years. She'll make him the Ukrainian envoy to keep him in the spotlight. She will end up not winning the next general election. It'll be a bit of a stage situation. Stama will get with the SMP, and Boris will ride back in. Come on. That would be my hell on earth. I agree with you that there'll probably be no overall majority.

Yeah, there won't be. It's quite clear at this point. Stama hasn't done enough. I don't know. I wouldn't, I think, I think rolling back completely the Tory's majority would be quite hard because it's quite significant. I don't think it'll be a slight lead. I think it will be a slight lead. And the only reason why I say that is because it's an excellent opportunity for Kiyahsama to really be sort of surging.

Boring, but the Labour, the Labour party's infighting. The Conservative Party literally don't have a leader right now. And Labor is basically neck and neck with the conservative. The Labour Party should be out. You're so right, Chris. They should be out of sight. There is so many things right now that are going on that the Labour Party should be out there talking about saying,

we are on your side. We are here to protect your interests. And you look what happened at Sam Tari on the picket line, Angela Rainer's boyfriend. He didn't like me saying that the other day. But the truth is they're going to tear themselves apart. Politics in this country is on the precipice. Now, I was told if I mention this, I have to move my chair back.

600 migrants. arrived today. We've got to stop them, haven't we? Yesterday. Yeah, that's right. He's waiting for us to tear out and tear each other apart of this.

This is the thing. I feel like, because we always thought about the amount of money that we're spending keeping these migrants in a hotel and all of that. And I just said, if you look at it from the French perspective,

they really don't have much of an incentive to keep the migrants on French shores. For instance... There's a war, isn't there? That's why they're coming here because it's a war on. Oh, no, France isn't war-tawn. That's the thing.

But I think the bigger argument is actually being able to turn them back, right? Because it's not just about keep, once they land on British shores, that's the end. You need to turn them back, not just for the sake of the migrant, but for the industry. Wasn't it? Wasn't it literally just a few weeks ago that we were having a big existential crisis in this country because the birth rate is too low?

Because we can't get workers to work in the NHS. These people are being. This is actually the big problem that we have in this country. It's that there aren't enough people. No, but this is. Well, I'm going to, I'm going to jump straight in. I don't think that's right at all. Well, it is.

No, no, I'll tell you what's wrong. Unfortunately, we had, I always thought the benefit system and the welfare state was the greatest invention in the modern world. I really passionately believe this. I am very happy to pay whatever to help people who can't help themselves. But the fact of the matter is, nowadays in this country, you can go to work, you can go to college or you can choose to go on the do. There are millions of people. You can't choose to go to work because the benefit system has made it as easy for them. It's a fact, whether you like it or not. They should be made to do those. This narrative is completely unhinged from reality. It's completely, like, over the last 15 years,

it's become extremely difficult to go in and claim universal credit. There have been people who've been found in their houses. I don't disagree with that. But they have been penalized because they haven't shown up for a job center appointment because they've had funerals or problems in the family. Grace, you can talk over me, but there are people who choose to be on the doll because they know that they might earn 20 quid more to go to work.

And you can argue all the day. I agree with what you've said. It's crazy that you could be on the doll and earning barely more than you would be in a world. But I'm telling you now. That's partly because, you know. Have you seen minimum wage? Exactly.

The issue is that we are not supporting the labor movement. We're not supporting workers to go out and bargain for higher wages. But secondly, there are always going to be people in our society who require help, who require support, disabled people, people who can't work. And this is, you know, we should not be punching down all the time. But do you not want the money? Hear me out. Then let's try a different tack.

The help that we should genuinely give to the people that you've just mentioned, we shouldn't be giving it to migrants. should we? Well, again, migrants come over here. This is the classic thing of, like, migrants are simultaneously coming over here and sitting on benefits and also coming over here and taking all our jobs. Actually, most people who come over here do tend to find jobs. Often in the NHS, there's so many people in our social care system. Okay, I'm sorry. These migrants coming off the boats are not working for the NHS. They don't. They don't. Okay, if they're refugees, then maybe they're not because they don't see the language

and they need to be sorted. Let me land. We don't know where they're coming from. We don't know their history. These people are they're being trafficked by people smugglers. This is an industry. But that's a gross generalisation, about thousands. Why is it at any point? Why is it at any point that you don't agree with? You say it's a gross generalisation?

I'm saying there's a different thing. There are people who come to this country who tear up their papers. This is not anecdotes. But I'm telling you this for a fact. And I know this because personally, I know someone who made this trip over the Mediterranean. One minute, ladies. I've got a headache. He actually went to Italy. But I know people like this.

For every migrant you see coming off those boats, there are people that have died in the Mediterranean or on the channel trying to come here, and they're profiting, the people that are profiting off their deaths, are people smugglers. This country would run into the ground without migrants. Let me finish. Let me finish what I'm saying.

30 seconds. This country would run into the ground without people who have come over here, risking their lives, risking a huge amount to come here, work for our NHS, support our own people. Hey, hey, Jessus journalists, chill, chill, chill, the champagne's coming out. It's agree to disagree.

Don't worry about talking to me here. I've got this. Don't worry. Don't worry. I'm on it. Don't worry. Just I've got a clock chill. What an honour. Esther crackers has been taken on by Grace Plenty. I love that. That was fantastic. Thank you so so much. Not for the last. You prefer Jez's journalists to Pierce's pack, right? They're both awful, really. Stop talking in my ear. I'm absolutely fine on this. Watch it. Thank you. You be quiet in my ear. I've got it. Thank you, you too. You'll be back next time. We are back tomorrow. That's it from me. whatever you're up to, make sure it's uncensored, okay? Keep it uncensored.

8 o'clock tomorrow night's at your place. Have a great night. Tara!