Piers Morgan Uncensored - Piers Morgan Uncensored: Catherine Ommanney

Episode Date: December 13, 2022

On tonight's episode of Piers Morgan Uncensored, Piers slams the trade unions threatening to ruin Christmas with winter strikes. Piers speaks to the reality star who claims to have had a fling with Prince Harry - Real Housewife Cat Ommanney - who tells Piers what she makes of Harry's new Netflix series and upcoming book. Piers challenges Fox News' Geraldo Rivera as he claims Meghan Markle has been mistreated in the UK. Watch Piers Morgan Uncensored at 8 pm on TalkTV on Sky 522, Virgin Media 606, Freeview 237 and Freesat 217. Listen on DAB+ and the app.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Tonight, our peers, walking our censored. Lynch the Grinch strikes again and takes 40,000 of his union members with him. Rail strikes cause chaos across Britain, and there's more to come. I'll talk to a militant union boss about the strikes that are canceling Christmas. The truth or their truth, the Californian mudslingers, take a name of their families, the palace and the press and their Netflix win-a-thon. Everyone, of course, not themselves. Tonight, the reality style who had a fling with Prince Harry reveals to me

how she's now been airbrushed from his history. One of the most beautiful classical pieces of music ever written should we now be boycotting it and Chikosky because it was written by a Russian composer. I'll speak to the Ukrainian culture minister asking us all to do just that. Live from London, this is Piers Morgan Uncensored. Well, good evening for London.

Welcome to Piers Morgan Unsensor. Britain isn't feeling very festive this Christmas. It's more a case of no, no, no, than ho, ho, ho. It feels like we're living in a country in constant decline. decline. War in Europe has brought tragedy to our doorsteps and rocketing bills to our doormats. Families are being paid to turn off their power just to prevent blackouts. Millions of people can barely afford to keep it switched on in the first place.

Eye-watering inflation is taking more money out of people's pockets with every passing month. Supermarket prices are soaring, just as were sucked into what could be an historic recession. Now, austerity is looming, compounded by a mismanaged Brexit that's bringing disasters rather than dividends. far from providing answers and leadership our politics is paralyzed by perpetual chaos. Five education secretaries, four Chancellor, three Prime Ministers in a year. Conservative Party's been in power for 12 years and even to many of its own supporters. It now looks punch drunk, out of ideas and on the ropes. And as a result, trade unions can smell blood like vultures around a rotten carcass.

And with a wave of winter strikes worse than anything we've seen in many decades, they're trying to land a knockout blow. Mick the Grinch Lynch of the RMT is the flag bearer for Britain's strike chaos. 40,000 of his rail workers are walking out this week. He refused to be interviewed by me today, as he has done for many weeks. Following a series of cantankerous car crash interviews

he conducted this morning, we found out why he's got so camera shy. You are robbing them of their income for the coming year. Many of them are saying they're going to go bust. Well, we're not targeting Christmas. It isn't Christmas yet. Richard. I don't know when your Christmas starts, but mine starts on Christmas Eve. We understand the anger that's caused by the disruption of the stoppages, of course,

but we are getting a lot of support from the public. We continue to get messages, people continue to visit our picket lines. And what businesses ought to be asking the government is why are they subsidising this strike? You're just parroting the most right-wing stuff that you can get hold of on behalf of the establishment. And it's about time you showed some partiality towards your listeners to working-class people in this country. Because a lot of working-class people have been directly impacted by these strikes.

Mick Lynch hasn't got any answers. It's not right-wing. It's not an establishment cover-up. Public support for these strikes is evaporating because people are angry. And they're angry because it feels like Britain is falling apart, and we're all being held to ransom now

by these union bosses. Nothing seems to work anymore. Bus drivers, postal workers, nurses, highway controllers are all set to strike this week. The army is preparing to cover boys. border security at airports. Taxi drivers could be used to cover ambulance strikes over Christmas. Britain has become a paralysed laughing stock and we all deserve better. We've had enough, haven't we, of all this chaos of this decline? We've certainly had enough, I think, of the people

who have been putting us in this position. And as time as a country, we started fighting back. Well, in a moment, I'll speak to the former Assistant General Secretary of the RMT, Steve Headley, because the current one won't come on. The first, the boss of the Public and Commercial Service Union Mark Sir Watker, which represents Border Force workers who are striking other Christmas. Mr Sir Watka, just before I came on air tonight, interesting development in the nurses' strike

where the UK's chief nurse has actually challenged now the position of the RCN, the main nurses union, warning that patients' lives are being put at risk by these strikes, which are being planned by nurses. That is the first, I would say, dramatic example of a workforce now realizing the dangers of the strikes. What do you say to that?

Well, I'm not here to talk about the health service peers, other than to say, I fully support the right of all nurses to take industrial action, as I do all workers, because the blame for all of this should be squarely laid at the government's door. They've caused the cost of living crisis. They've doubled our mortgages. they've sat back and done nothing and what we're doing in trade unions now when members of our unions are voting

in my case with an 86% majority to strike is saying we're going on strike because it cannot be right that the government is cutting everybody's pay in real terms and we deserve a decent pay raise. Okay, so you don't want to talk about nurses but what the chief nurse of this country is saying is if this industrial action happens

with the nurses and I accept it's not your direct responsibility, responsibility, but if it happens, if they go on strike, she is worried that patients lies we put at risk. In other words, people may die. Are you comfortable with that, that industrial action could lead to people in this country dying? Well, I put the blame squarely in the government's court because the nurses' leaders have made it clear they would not proceed with industrial action if the government agreed to talk about their pay. That's an entirely reasonable position and the people who are worried

should be contacting Richie Sunak, Jeremy Hunt and Steve Barclay. They have the power to stop all of these strikes by being prepared to negotiate on pay. They should do that in the health service. They should do that for the people I represent in the civil service. 40,000 of whom, by the way, peers are using food banks, 45,000 of whom who work for the government

claiming work benefits because they are the working poor. If the government says we won't talk about pay, industrial action is the only last resort that we now have left. And that is why members are voting in huge numbers to go on strike. They'd rather not go on strike, but frankly, if the government are not prepared to negotiate... Do you believe, as a starting point of principle

for any negotiation, that everyone who's currently are going on strike are about to go on strike, should get a pay rise at least equivalent to inflation, if not more? Nurses want 19%, for example. Should they all get at least the equivalent of inflation? My opinion is every working person, every woman and man has the right when they go to work to ensure their living standards don't drop. If your pay rise is less than a rate of inflation, you are having a pay cut in real terms. And for the people I'm representing, we've had that for 10 consecutive years.

Now with this cost of living crisis, the 2% we're being given when inflation at 11% is not only the lowest pay offer anywhere in the economy, it is frankly absurd. And the government know that, and that's why the industrial action is taking place. You see, I think it's perfectly possible to have a lot of sympathy for everyone is going on strike because cost of living crisis is very real and is really impacting people. It's also possible to see there is clearly a joined-up concerted effort now by union leaders to get together to bring this government down. And it's also clear that if actually you all genuinely believe that all these strikers should get, or your members from everyone,

should all get at least in line with inflation as pay rises. This country will go bankrupt. Now, I can, and I would add a fourth point, it's also possible to believe we're in this miserable position because the government's been hopeless. All those things can be true. But your responsibility is surely to get a fair and balanced pay rise for your members without actually imperiling

the very economic stability of the country. Isn't it mean, why would you want to behave as badly as you claim the government's been behaving? Well, I certainly agree that the government's hopeless and the sooner they go, the better. My job is not to bring down the government, but it is to get the government to recognize that when 40,000 of its own workforce,

the people who work in job centres, for example, have to claim the benefits they administer, something is wrong. And when you've had 10 years of pay rises less than inflation and you get to a cost of living crisis, if the government is saying that's tough, then we have to do something about it. Now, we want a 10% pay rise.

That's our claim. But what we've said to the government is if they are prepared to say now, they have money, they will put money on the table, we've made it clear, we will get into negotiations with them about how much that is and how it's distributed. Their answer is,

not a penny will be put on the table. Therefore, all we can do is either sit back and accept that our members will have the worst Christmas in living memory. many of them, not only claiming benefits and using food banks, but struggling to feed themselves. Okay, let me ask you. You keep referencing people who haven't to use food banks,

and I've heard this a lot in this debate. If you don't mind me asking you, actually, I don't care if you mind or not. How much do you earn? Well, I earn considerably less than you peers. How much time? Well, what I earn is a matter of public record. My salary is £97,000, set democratically by my union.

And what are the perks on top of that? There are no perks on top of that. So your total remuneration is 97,000? I received £97,000. That is a public record. My pay rise every year is linked to the rise that our members get. And the question isn't here. So you want like a £10,000 pay rise for yourself?

No. I have accepted when our members receive 0%. I receive 0%. Yeah, but right now you say you want a pay rise in line with inflation for your members. that would be at the moment around 10%. So you would get about 10 grand. Do you accept that? No, I don't accept that, no.

Because if we were to achieve a 10% pay rise in my own union for three consecutive years, the most senior staff in the union took no pay rise whatsoever and donated their money back to the union strike fund. So would you do that in this eventuality? Would you refuse to accept a payroll? I'm more than happy to say, if our members got a 10% pay rise,

I would happily forego that and put it in the strike fund. because our members who pay benefits, who keep the borders open, who keep the courts running and the prisons running, are poor peers. Their average wage is £23,000 a year. The government has given them 2%. I don't think you believe 2% is realistic. It's less than anyone else is being offered.

It's less than the 6.2% average earnings in Britain. It's less than any other part of the public sector has been offered after 10 years of pay cuts. So what we're doing now by going on strike is saying to the government, they're either put money on the table or they should take the blame for the disruption that is coming

and more than that, and I'm quite happy to say it on your show, yes, of course we are talking to union leaders in every other union and there's about 30 whose members are also doing the same thing because if the government is the cause of everyone's problems then it's only right that we work

together to try to get the government to see sense. I believe civil servants deserve a pay rise but so do rail workers train drivers, lecturers, postal workers, every working man and woman deserves to go to work to be better off each year, not get realtority. Listen, I can agree with a sentiment,

except we are in the middle of an unbelievable financial crisis where if we give everybody the same rate of inflation as a pay rise, the country goes bust, which is completely irresponsible. So there has to be a meeting ground which does not involve everyone getting inflation because if they do, we can't afford it. So that's where we are.

And it can be down to it. competent government. It can be down to everything. But I just don't think the union leaders holding out for that as their yardstick are doing the country any favours either. But I've got to leave it there. Well, I think you find out. Every union leader has made it clear. They'll get into talks if more money is on the table and the government can afford it. I've heard you loud and clear. I appreciate you joining me. Thank you very much indeed. Joining me now is the former Assistant General Secretary of the RMT, Steve Headley. We wanted to have the current one, Mick the Grinch, but he was not available.

the union decided to get into a Twitter Barney with me for most of the day which seemed a pretty useless way to spend their time in the middle of his crisis but anyway Mr Headley is with us thank you for joining me currently the RMT is paralysing the country why

well quite simply because the pay offer it's been made over two years it's 5% this year and 4% next year is in real terms a 12% pay cut because inflation is 12% this year and at the very best is forecast they fall to 8% next year. It could be higher than 8%.

Now, a deal's been done in Scotland, Pierce, I don't know if you know about this, but a deal's been done in Scotland where people got 5% plus a £750 bonus, and that was a one-year deal. And there's going to be no job cuts and there's going to be no extra shifts, work, extra nights or extra weekends. So that's why the R&T are basically out there having this battle, which I fully support. They're out there defending jobs,

defending safety on the railway, and demanding that people catch up with the inflation. It's being driven by excessive profits, being driven by oil prices, being driven by food prices. It's not being driven by wages. And people need a pay raise.

Do you think the negotiations between union leaders and the government should be done in a civil way? Well, I would hope so, but, I mean, that takes too detangled, doesn't it? I mean, I think that when When you've got ministers making it clear that they've not got anything to offer, but they're still, you know, trying to say that they want talks,

well, what is the point in having talks if you've got nothing they offer? Surely the point of them having talks is they reach a compromise. Now, I think that there's been eight weeks now when the RMT hasn't been on strike. That time could have been used productively by the government to get round the table. I mean, I think a deal in Scotland is a terrible deal, by the way. that's my personal opinion, but our members accept it and I accept that. So if it's good enough for people up in Scotland, why is it not good enough for people down here?

And I would kind of reiterate Mark's point about the nurses. These are people that haven't been on strike in 106 years. And the government, they're even refusing to talk to them at all about pay. Now, all this happens in Scotland is the Scottish government, and I'm no fan of the SMP, the Scottish government said, we'll talk to you about pay. And they call the strike off. Let me ask you so.

Right, but Mr. Sedy, the reason I asked you about civility, you know, you want to get in the room with people. I accept you're not the leader anymore. But you were suspended by the RMT because you said, and I remember you doing this, and I remember feeling incensed when you did it, that you would throw a party if Boris Johnson died of coronavirus. Why, if you're in the government, would you want to get in the room? Yeah, well, I wasn't. Well, you did say that. Why would you want to get in the room if you're the government with people that...

I wasn't involved in any phone, hacking peers. and it wasn't a serial adulter or a Pierce. So if you're going to play a moral guardian, I think you want to be... I'm not playing any moral guardian, Mr Kelly. I'm asking you... I'm asking you... I'm asking you...

I'm simply asking you... If we look at the... If you think... I'm simply asking you a question. I know this is your technique with all journalists... You come on here. You come on here. I'm asking you a question. You come on here making childish jokes about Mick the Grinch.

Yeah. And you talk about stability. I'm asking you whether you think it's right and proper. To get people into a room who said you wanted Boris Johnson to die of coronavirus. Well, I'm not in the room. I'm gone. I'm not there. Mick Lynch hasn't said that. But you were suspended and that shows an attitude of mind, isn't it? It shows an attitude of mind. Well, back to yours, back to your serial adultery, Pierce, which has been well documented, back to the allegations of phone tapping. Who are you to play the moral guardian?

I'm not the one leading this country into a... crisis this winter. You are. You and your team. Well, neither am I. And the clue. The clue is I've seen you do this with people before. We know what you like to play what a boundary. I'm simply asking you, what does it say about the state of mind of people running these unions if you were suspended by the RMT for literally wishing Boris Johnson to die of coronavirus? I'm simply asking you whether you think that is the right way for union bosses to behave. But they're, but they are there we go. Well, I don't think it's right that highly paid

reporters such as yourself, serial adults are not going to answer the question. All right. Thank you very much, Mr. Hedley. I appreciate you joining me. Try answering a few questions next time yourself. Coming next is the Palace braces itself the next installment of Harry and Megan's Netflix series. I'll talk to the Relatty Star

who had a fling with Prince Harry and said she didn't recognize the party print she once knew. Welcome back to Pittsburgh and our sister. We'll come tonight. Should we be boycotting Chikovsky just because, It's Russian. I'll talk to the Ukrainian culture minister who says the West of Boycott all-Russian culture until the end of the war. But first, the Duke and Duchess of Montecito said they've never had an opportunity to tell their story until their 88 million-dollar Netflix series.

And if that isn't enough, there's also Prince Harry's autobiography, spare or spare me, as we've renamed it, to look forward to next month. Well, far from not having an opportunity to tell their story, I don't think anyone else in history has had more opportunities than these have done, each time for vast amounts of cash. is their truth? Well, a reality star from the Real Housewives of DC, Kat Omine, who claimed she, well, she did have a flick with Prince Harry. Doesn't claim anything, it was true. Says she's been whitewashed from history and doesn't recognize the party prints she wants new.

Kat joins me now, along with Royal Corresponder Vanity Fair, Katie Nicol and Fox News contributor, Haraldo. Welcome to you to this stellar panel, I must say. Hey, Piers. And thank you, Harada, for joining us from across the pot. I'll come to you in a moment. Kat, I want to talk to you because this book is coming out spare. It's supposed to be Harry's story.

But I suspect we're going to get a very sanitised version of anything which is awkward for him. And it'll just be more of what we've been seeing now for the last year and a half, which is just constant attacks on his family and the media. Or a total snooze fest. Right. I mean, you know, the title, I love the title thing.

It's a great title. But, you know, how much he's influenced about how he wrote it and what's in it. Who knows? You were 34. when you met a young 21-year-old Harry. So a bit of a Madonna situation going on there. Really?

Well, she likes the toy boys, didn't she? Well, yeah, I was criticised because I didn't really care about age. You had a little fling with him. It was more documented and we got pictures of you there. What was he like then as a young guy? Just really, really, really funny, total gentleman, totally down to earth, normal.

Did he carry any of this enormous baggage? which he now appears to have all the time. Because he seems just completely miserable. He did at the time. He seems miserable now. Now he just seems completely miserable all the time. This freedom he sought doesn't seem to make him and happy.

I mean, what I saw with him at the time, he was desperately searching for freedom and privacy. And yet what he's done is completely turn the whole situation full circle. Right. Now he's got no privacy and no freedom. Well, they invade their own privacy every 10 minutes. That's the sort of irony of this. I mean, Katie, we've talked a lot about this.

And the reason we keep talking about it is because on Thursday, there'll be another dump of three more episodes in this Netflix snooze fest, which a lot of it is very boring. You stay awake for it. Well, yeah, it is boring, actually. It's very self-indulgent, very narcissistic. But in the middle of all this, there will be more barbs we know at the royal family and at the media.

And they'll play the oppressed victims. It's really interesting hearing Kat say that, actually, because I think when you look at those pictures of Harry Partying, and I started my career as a Royal Corrosite, because I ended up at a party with Prince Harry and, you know, drinking bottle of vodka and having a great time and he seemed like a very fun guy. But it's interesting hearing you say

that he seemed like someone that sort of wanted to hide away from the media who wanted to have his private life. And I think that is a massive contradiction in all of this. But as I unpick his complaints and this resentment, and it's bitterness. At the heart of this is bitterness about the institution,

bitterness about how he's portrayed in the media. And I think now that he's actually named William in this latest trailer, And I think clearly William and Kate and the Sussex's relationship with William and Kate is going to come under scrutiny. I think there's a lot of sibling rivalry at the heart of all. I think Harry, and the fact that his book is called spare,

has resented being the spare for a long time. And I think we're going to hear much more on that particular narrative. Aroldo, across the pond, it seems to me a lot of Americans are as fed up with them as we are. I think you're still hanging in there as being, not necessarily a fulsome supporter, but a more tolerant, observer of all this. What do you, what do you make of it all? Well, first of all, I want to say I thought of

you, Pierce, when Harry Kane missed that shot. I really, I felt very bad for you and for England. Thank you. You know, in terms of the Netflix documentary and Harry and Megan, you know, in their participation and, you know, their ongoing soap opera, I really do feel for them. And I think that the vitriol being heaped on them, the scorn is so snobby and snoddy. It's having absolutely the opposite effect. I believe that they are generating some sympathy now, not because of what they're doing on the Netflix show, as much as reaction to the British tabloids

and this incessant, constant, you know, criticism. There is no doubt in my mind that they are telling the basic truth. Maybe there's a shot here that should not have been used, a stock footage of photographers and so forth. I think the general truth emerges. They seem sincere. They seem beleaguered. They seem, in many ways,

deeply disappointed. You are one of the people I most respect in American television news. You're a hard-bitten journalist. You're a war correspondent. And you've fallen for this guff with these two. Hook, line, and sinker. Because they're the least sincere people I think I've ever met in my life. She in particular.

She's an actress. She's playing a role. She's a good actress. My brother, I told you, Pears, I told you how I followed Prince Harry into Helmut Province in Afghanistan and how the American Marines there and the British personnel that were still there after he had left, all considered his service there to be honorable, even heroic. So I come, as a war correspondent, I come with that bias. Here's a guy who served his country honorably, put his own life on the line.

He married a woman who, for the... The first time in British Royal History was of mixed race. So the issue of racism and here Harry's girl straight out of Compton and all that kind of baloney, they have been assailed. You know, I feel for them because they have been targeted in a way that I feel is very, very unfair. I mean, they are a couple of drift. Okay, but I would argue they haven't been targeted in the way that I think a lot of Americans have been led to believe they were targeted.

There was no racism towards them in the mainstream media in this country. There wasn't. The papers here were euphoric about this government. The Daily Mail just did 20 pages on the Netflix document. 20 pages. This is obsessive. This is obsessive. Yeah, but Haralded, that's because these two sought freedom and privacy in America,

and all they've done since they got there is cash in on their royal titles afforded to them by an institution they despise and are trying to do. ruin and they're making hundreds of millions of dollars constantly trashing their families. You talk about Iraq, in Afghanistan. My brother served in Iraq and Afghanistan, right? And in fact, my brother-in-law taught William and Harry at Santa's Military Academy. So I absolutely respect his military service. But if my brother, notwithstanding his heroic war record in Iraq and Afghanistan,

went on national television every 10 minutes dumping all over my family, that would be a very short conversation next time I saw him. You just don't do that kind of thing to families, do you? Well, you know, where is the kindness? Where is the sensitivity? Here you have a young couple trying to find their way, and extraordinary situations with scrutiny that is so absolutely intrusive that don't have a moment to breathe.

Now he is the spare. He is the one that was designated to take over. You know, I understand all that, and I understand the frustration. of that, I mean, theoretically. But I really do believe that your lack of kindness to them is laid bare, peers. You can't have such a visceral, viciousness

toward them. They haven't committed any crime. They're just trying to pave their way in the world. Here's the irony. My response to them is driven by their serial unkindness and viciousness to the royal family, and their deliberate attempts now, to not only attack their family, who is a beloved family in this country,

but to actually destabilize to potentially bring down the British monarchy. And as a monarchist who loves the royal family and the institution, I think that's their unkindness. They're not going to bring down the British monarchy. Well, it might, actually. They're not going to bring down the British monarchy. It might. They will not.

Why? What mechanism will destroy this centuries-old institution? Because their constant framing of the royal family is a bunch of nars. Culles racist is beginning to hit home in America. It's hitting home in the Commonwealth. People are believing this. They're not producing any actual evidence to support the racism claims. All the other mental health claims is on.

The headline literally read Harry's new girl almost straight out of Compton. Come on, Pears. Compton, for your view, is not familiar with this area of Los Angeles. It's like Harlem in New York. There's a lot of nice places in Compton. but generally it's regarded as a home of rap and... Compton is also the place... I thought that was an unfortunate headline,

but the piece that accompanied it was euphorically praiseworthy. And the truth is she comes from an area about five, six miles from Compton, and Compton produced, as far as the British audience is concerned, produced Serena and Venus Williams. So they wouldn't see it in a particularly negative way. They think, oh, that's the place. The Williams system come from.

All right, even speaking of Serena and Venus, You put it in a racial context. Here she is, a mixed-race actress, you know, who's not, has no familiarity. She wasn't debriefed by Sarah Ferguson, as far as I know, or by really anybody who could guide her into the intricacies of the etiquette and so forth. She was hung out. Well, I think Harry can do what Harry can do. But he's a guy.

It's not like she didn't have someone say, here's how you curtsy. She didn't have someone to say, and by every account, they loved Queen Elizabeth. No, no, no, hang on. They loved and they honored the sovereign life. You're believing the bullshit. She literally got given a massive dossier explaining all these things. It's now been revealed. Most of what they say in Miss Netflix's thing is completely untrue.

She had the Queen's Lady in Waiting. She had the Queen's Lady. She had the Queen's Lady. You go back to Harald. Hang on. Harald, just finish that point. I think you're falling for this act. It seems to me that you have a chip on your shoulder toward them, Pierce.

It seems to me that you have an anger inside you that I don't know what the source of it is. But I think that, for example, to allege without proof that this couple is imperiling the British monarchy is a grotesque overstatement of their historic significance. Yeah, I don't. Because of what? Because of what? And do you deny that race played any role? You deny that race played any role in the way that they were treated? Specifically, the allegations of racism against the royal family for which they produce zero evidence.

All they've done is smear the entire family. Is it not a fact? Is it not a fact that... Well, I think that this was a great lesson for the, for not just the British people and the Commonwealth, but here in the United States, there's a great lesson in the need for sensitivity, and the need to have a, when you have a progressive step like this, that for the country to embrace them, I think that Harry would like nothing better than to go and to help. I heard you were talking with the labor leaders earlier

about the unrest and the economic difficulties. I'm positive Harry and Megan would like to be part of the effort. Oh, Araldo, do me a favor. They're living in a Californian mansion. They've got no interest in helping in the cost of living crisis over here. You've drunk the Sussex Kool-Aid. I think that if you gave them, if the reception had been a bit more understanding.

If you had given them a little bit more of a fair shake. We couldn't have been more positive to them. You can't have every tap. How do you feel? You and I have had our own adventures over our long public lives. How would you feel if every day you woke up, every single tabloid in the country was tearing you apart or was scrutinizing you in a way that was almost surgical in its detail?

The coverage was incredibly positive. I remember it well. Yeah, until it wasn't, Pears, the narrative did change. All right. Look, Harada, I mean to say, Herado... Let me just say about Hirada. Harada, you'd be brilliant, as always, as a guest. I love the way you speak your mind.

I love the way you never compromise when you have a belief about something. I appreciate you joining the show. Thank you very much. All right, let's get a reaction to this. I just want to make the point... A lot of Americans, by the way, will agree with Harald. They do, they do.

But the narrative did change, but it didn't just change because newspaper editors sat there saying, right, now let's put the knife into her. It changed because their behaviour changed for the worst. Yes, they became a bunch of very hypocritical. Preaching about the environment, using private jets, preaching about poverty, throwing half a million dollar baby showers. And by the way, they've met some pretty damaging allegations in this

if the trailer's anything to go by. I mean, the idea that the palace were briefing against them, what I know, from my experience, covering this beat for a long time, that their press aids were doing everything they could to keep those negative stories out. You know, they were. So that's, there's potentially quite damaging allegations in all of this. And, you know, Geraldo mentioned proof.

Well, are we going to see any proof? Are we going to see any evidence from them over the next three? We're not. Kat, what are your thoughts now? Have you bumped into Harry? What would you say to him? I just don't know whether I'd actually even recognise him anymore. I mean, I mean, personality-wise.

Because when I watched him, like, with the show, I just thought, wow, it's almost like and my mother will really hate me for saying this but it's almost like she's got like a spell over him and that's why I don't recognise him because he used to be so down to earth and normal and it's so little of him I actually recognised. You know Joanna Lumley has come out with an interview

with the Times in which she says that she's horrified by the way she talks about women specifically but I think it can extend to men as well that you can become too, much of a victim. You start to celebrate victimhood. You lose a strength. And she believes that this generation is losing the strength of previous generations.

She was talking about women, but I think it applies to men as well, that there's an almost a celebration of playing a victim. Right. But I mean, he would never, in a million years back in those days, have ever been that person to do this show. No, I mean, looking at the front

pages we've got up here, this is the coverage of when they got engaged. It couldn't have been more euphoric. Same for the They had 18 months of great press coverage. They got a lot of attention because they're the biggest stars in the country when you marry into the royal family. Anyway, we'll leave it there. There are lots of different views.

We'll have all these views on Piers Morgan Nussenssela. That's the whole point of the show is that we will invite people to have different views to mine and to challenge mine. That's great. Doesn't mean I'm wrong. Thank you both very much indeed for coming in. Still ahead. The nutcrack is among the most popular ballet music ever written. But Ukraine's calling on us to boycott Russian composers.

like Cherkulski until this war is over. Is that right? We'll discuss this with the Ukrainian culture minister next. In a moment I'll speak to the Ukrainian culture minister about what he wants us to do, which is to stop playing music by Chikosky and other great Russian musicians because he feels that that is a way of punishing Vladimir Putin.

I don't agree, and I'll say that to him when I speak to him, I think it's a wrong way to respond, but it's a good debate. But in the meantime, over here, Cambridge's Dictionary has been accused of kowtowing to woke activist today. I'll update this definition of woman to include anyone who identifies as female. Well, I'm joined by Talk TV presenter, Richard Tyson, who I believe identifies still as male. Talk to the interviewer-Rone, Adrian, who I'm fairly sure still identifies as a woman.

I do. Paula, what is a woman? I didn't think it was that complicated a question. Right. For me, a woman is me. So I was born female with female genitalia. I can give birth, and I know that some women can't. So I'm not necessarily suggesting that that is part of the biological definition.

But if somebody who puts a hand up and says, I identify as female a woman, because that's what the dictionary is now defining a woman to also mean. Yeah, and this is where I start to struggle with when we talk about, feelings as opposed to defining words. And this is where I feel that the dictionary is fallen foul of the difference. I mean, you're not anyone who's getting confused by this. This is some of the world's most important people. Look at this.

A woman can have a penis. Nick, I'm not. I don't think we can conduct this debate with, you know... Sorry, I've offended you in some way. No, no, no, it's just... No, no, no, I just... Can you provide a definition for the word woman? Can I provide a definition?

No. Yeah. I can't. You can't? Not in this context. I'm not a biologist. That woman who can't say what a woman is is now a woman on the Supreme Court of the United States,

one of the most powerful people in the world. Richard Seiz, it just feels to me like the world has gone completely mad. When women feel too paralyzed to be able to actually... enunciate what they believe a woman is the fear of the retribution that may come their way. Well, there's that, but the whole point of a dictionary is that you can rely on it to give you the accurate truth. That's literally the function. If you're not sure, you go to the dictionary, and the dictionary gives you the truth. So for a dictionary to adopt the latest fashion, the latest trend for fear of upsetting people,

I actually think is really serious. I think it's much bigger than this. I actually think that they shouldn't be allowed to get away with this. with this, I think the government should actually look at injuncting to stop this nonsense. One thing you can be sure of is this wouldn't be happening in Florida under the governorship of Ronda Santosan. He wouldn't. He's now running away with the popularity of the Republican Party. He wouldn't. He wouldn't accept this. He may not accept this. And, you know, to an extent you and I agree, when we're looking at a definition of what is something, then we look at that thing.

What we don't do is then attribute a moment. in terms of the ideology behind that thing. We describe that thing, we define that thing. And I don't think that that's what the dictionary is done here. What it's done is it's talking about an ideology. It's talking about a thought process, about a feeling. It's not saying what it is. But unfortunately, facts don't care about feelings.

I'm sorry, they just don't. It's a bit like Megan Markle and her truth. It's like there's no such thing as my truth. There's the truth. There are facts. And then there are people's feelings about. facts, but they're not facts. Well, you're right to say that there is my truth and there is your truth.

I accept that. And you're right to say that... Well, only one of them is the actual truth. No, that's not always the case. Yes, that is the case. No, that's not always the case. Well, there's more than one form of the truth. Of course there is. Well, give me an example. Give me an example.

Well, how do you define what a woman is, peers? Differently to... A woman is a woman born to a female biological body. Boom. But that's a different definition. That's a different definition to what a scientist might. have to what somebody who is... It's what the dictionary until this week

always said a woman, were somebody born to a female biological body. There are two sexes, male and female. That's it. The whole point of a dictionary is that it doesn't have feelings. It doesn't get confused. Right. Now we have a dictionary endorsing feelings. Right, but now they're endorsing feelings, right? I feel like, I did this on Good Morning Britain once. We had somebody on trying to defend the BBC educating kids of 12 that there were over 100 genders, including astrogender,

which is an affinity with the stars and planets. So I said, fine, by that criteria, if we can identify as anything we like, I am a two-spirit penguin, because I walk a bit like a penguin, I have the same carnivorous diet as a penguin. I think penguins are much beloved figures in this country. Again, a big tick in the box.

So I had a lot of affinity with penguins, and I like to have various spirits, so I'm a two-spirit penguin. All hell broke loose. How dare you mock self-identity? How dare you say you're a two-spirit penguin? Had I said, I am an astrogender, because I look at the stars and planets and feel all woozy,

that would be the BBC's way of educating kids about what they can identify us. It is nonsense. It is nonsense to you. Yes. And, by the way, to most people. To most people, for us. I'm not sure that's right, because, you know, we haven't counted.

what we're talking about and what I think you have to accept peers and the people who want to shout at me and want to use the word woke as some kind of dirty word is you're not listening to those people. Well, woke used to be an awareness of social and racial injustice. It still is. No, no, no, what woke has become

for most of the wokeies is a form of fascism where they think if anyone disagrees with them when they come out with these nonsense about what a woman is, for example, they must be abused, shamed, cancelled, driven out of their jobs, and terrorise, as we saw with J.K. Rowling. But why are you attributing... Who I don't even like, by the way, she's always been damn rude to me, but on this, she's right.

But why are you attributing the title of woke activists to those people? They're purely... Because they identify, normally identify in their Twitter biography as woke and also hashtag be kind. They are the least kind people in the history of planet Earth. They're vicious. They're nasty. They're fascist. The very thing they like to pretend they hate most, that is what they are. They want to basically indoctrinate everyone to agree with everything they say.

That's it. No deviation. I'm not going to disagree with you in terms of... On that note, we'll go back to a little commercial break because Paul Aronagent has finally agreed and I'm right about everything. After the break, should we be boycotting Tchaikoski because he's Russia. But after a Ukraine, after a Ukraine, call for the Western boycott all Russian cultures to the end of the war, We'll discuss that up to the moment. About to Pierce Morgan Unsensored Arts this evening, Ukraine's culture's minister. Unfortunately, we've got technical issues with him.

He's in Paris, I think, and we can't actually get the line-up. So we're going to take this debate. If we don't get him tonight, we'll get him back on tomorrow. Richard O'Pala, it's an interesting debate at this. He's come out very strongly. He read a big piece in The Guardian, Alexander Kaczyenko. He's the Ukraine's Culture Minister,

calling for all music by Tchaikovsky to be paused, saying that Putin sees Russian countries, as a tool and even a weapon to attack liberal values and has indeed, of course, destroyed many monuments of Ukrainian arts and culture. I feel uncomfortable about this. I've got to be honest, I don't think it's the right response. You can understand why he's saying it, why he feels it so deeply and passionately, but I don't think it is the right response. And the truth is it's not actually going to achieve anything. What we've really got to focus on is I think actually what we've been doing pretty well, which is giving them the arms, the weapons, the weapons, the weapon.

to fight like absolute Trojans. But I understand his angst with, frankly, anything with the name Russian, the sense of Russian. And so you see why he's going to himself to that? We've heard this about sport, you know, and they have been punished, the Russians. They weren't allowed to compete at Wimbledon, for example. Is there a difference between sport and cultural arts, for example? Is there a difference ideologically between a boycott of sport compared to Jigowski? I can understand why you're uncomfortable, but I have to disagree with you

because what we're looking at is the absolute desecration of not only a country and its people, but that include its culture and... All right, let me ask you a question. So when we illegally invaded Iraq in 2003, this country, okay, and we're with the Americans, with the correct response have been to that illegal invasion, which is what I believe it was, which led to the slaughter of a million... people, would it have been correct then to have boycotted all the music of the Beatles and all the music of Elvis Presley as a punishment? And if not, what's the difference?

I could have understood if that's what the Iraqi people chose to do. And I could have understood... If they come out and said, if an Iraqi leader come out and said, the world must boycott the Beatles and Elvis Presley, what would the reaction have been? I could have understood that, Piers. That's my answer. Of course I could have I can tell you what the reaction would have been. Everyone would have said, forget it. Not happening.

Well, they may well have said that. So there's a bit like all the double standards over the Qatar World Cup. There's immoral hypocrisy, I think, at bay here, right? But there's a big difference because if you're talking about current sporting teams, current sporting personalities, as opposed to someone from way back in history. So I think that, for me, is the dividing line between the two. You've got what's going on currently, and that's sanctions and that's current boycotts. but actually making us sort of a gesture against the historical...

Well, Tchaikoski, I think, died 60-odd years before Putin was even born or something. I mean, I can't remember what the... The country still makes money from this. And that's what this is about, Richard. It's about making money. It's interesting. My mother just messaged me completely randomly. It wasn't expected of us at all.

She went to see a ballet, the nutcracker, with a Ukrainian woman and her daughter this week. And she said she did cringe a bit when it was... Darcy Bustle apparently introduced it. It was a battle that obviously came from Russia, raving about the fact that it come from Russia. It did great with her. And maybe that is what a lot of people feel.

Maybe people do feel, you know what, actually, if Putin's desecrating art throughout Ukraine, destroying theatres, banning people from doing what they love, then why should we celebrate any form of Russian culture until Mrs. Oval? I do understand it. I don't really agree with the argument because I think it sets a very weird precedent,

which we didn't adopt ourselves. But we can take McDonald's out of Russia. We can take Nike out of Russia. Then surely we should be taking Tchaikoski. All right, you mentioned food. You just got time for Brooklyn Beckham's latest cooking lesson on American television. This is where he does eat.

I think it's a tuna and cucumber sandwich. Here's Brooklyn Beckham. So what he gets, he gets a bit of raw tuna. He puts a bit of stuff on it. He gets a bit of egg. He gets some cucumber. puts it in some sesame seeds and then he puts it in a pan

and he calls himself a chef. Now it's a bit like identifying as a woman if you're not born to a female body. He might identify as a chef but this is the kind of thing I knock up when I'm on my own at home and I'm not a chef. Am I right? No. I mean, peers, come on,

you just sound bitter now. You think he's a good chef? I think he's a young man who he's trying his person. best to help. If he wasn't called Brooklyn Beckham, would he be doing his tuna cucumber special on American television? But that's like saying if my dad wasn't a famous journalist, should I become a journalist? Peers, we all want to be able to follow in the footsteps of our parents. Richard? He's trying, but come on. You know what? He's trying. Actually, you can leave it there.

He's trying. Good to see you both. Thank you both very much. That's it for me. Keep it uncensored. Good night.