Piers Morgan Uncensored - Piers Morgan Uncensored: Cenk Uygur and Rabbi Shmuley, Izzeldin Abuelaish

Episode Date: November 9, 2023

On Piers Morgan Uncensored tonight, Piers is joined by Cenk Uygur and Rabbi Shmuley as they go head-to-head over the idea of a ceasefire. Also the Palestinian doctor who has lost 22 family members to the war with Israel, Izzeldin Abuelaish joins Uncensored. Watch Piers Morgan Uncensored at 8 pm on TalkTV on Sky 522, Virgin Media 606, Freeview 237 and Freesat 217. Listen on DAB+ and the app.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Tonight on Pierce Morgan Unsense, the Palestinian doctor, Isaldine Aboulez, has lost more than 22 members of his family to war with Israel. Somehow, he still believes passionately in peace. He joins me live. Calls for a ceasefire in Gaza grover ever louder. Should Israel hold his fire? Would that be a gift for Hamas? Jenk Yuga and Rabbi Shmuli go head to head.

Plus, protesters across the world have been tearing down posters of Israelis captured and kidnapped by terrorists. This man has called on camera doing it. I ask him why. Live from the news building in London, this is Piers Morgan Unsensored. Well, good evening from London. Welcome to Piers Morgan Unsensored. The job of the Home Secretary is to keep our country safe. Suella Braverman is doing the exact opposite, her reckless disregard for responsibility of the office she holds.

A very high office is now actively putting people in danger. Quite frankly, she's become a disgrace to her government and her country. Today, Bravman accused London's met police of playing favourites with pro-Palestine protesters, even going as far as to claim the senior officers are deliberately allowing them to break the law. She slurs the protesters as mobs. And no matter where you stand on the Palestine March Plan for Armistice to stay, the Home Secretary should be calling for calm and then the police get on with their jobs. Instead, she's pouring fuel on the flames of a tense situation that's already in grave danger of blowing up.

This was the reaction of former Met Chief Superintendent Dal Babu. in groups who are going to turn up, who have been emboldened by what the Home Secretary has said. Some of the things that Swala Bratman is saying, as a brown woman, would not be tolerated if it it was said by a white man, a white woman. Some of the things she said about Pakistani men, some of the things she's saying about hate marches. You know, I'm just flabbergasted. Well, he's right. As officers prepared to keep the peace at one of the most inflammatory public demonstrations in years, she's effectively told the public they can't trust the police. She compared to Palestine supporters to Protestants in Northern Ireland,

equating her own unionist supporters with terrorist sympathizers. She called an anti-war protest a hate march to rile the public. Now she's given the green light to vigilantes. All this in the same week, she outrageously said that being homeless is a lifestyle choice, and she wants to ban homeless people from sleeping in tents. For all our sakes, Braverman needs time off, a lot of time off. Downing Street says it had no forewarning of her comments. which makes Prime Minister Rishi Sunak look, well, weak.

It's no surprise that Labour is now demanding she's fired. This isn't the way in which a Home Secretary should behave. He must know in himself that the role of responsible government is to reduce tension and to support the police in difficult decisions that they have to make. He's got a Home Secretary who's out of control, and he is too weak to do anything about it. Like many people in this country, I feel uncomfortable about it. the Armist's Day March, but I fundamentally believe in the right to peaceful protest and to freedom of speech.

The minority of people who turn up to incite violence or glorified terrorists should be dealt with by the police. There are laws that prohibit this. The police already know that. Now the Home Secretary has sent them into a volatile situation that she's made even more dangerous. Braverman has been fired from this job once before, over a massive security breach. Rishish Sunak shouldn't have rehired her, I said about at the time. Now he needs to fire her again, and this time for good. Well, my first guest tonight has lost an unbelievably large number of relatives to war in Gaza. In 2009, tragedy struck Dr Isaldine Aboulaj, when an Israeli tank shelled his home, claiming the lives of his three daughters and a niece.

But the current conflict has also taken the lives of many more of his relatives, and Dr. Aboulaish, A trailblazing figure made history as the first Palestinian doctor to serve in an Israeli hospital. He's a passionate advocate for peace and reconciliation between Israelis and Palestinians, a mission that he encapsulated in his memoir entitled, I shall not hate a Gaza doctor's journey on the path to peace and human dignity. And I feel honored, actually, to say that Dr. Isaldine, Aboulaesh, joins me now. Doctor, thank you for coming here today. Thank you so much.

I greatly appreciate it. I know we were just talking before we. We came on air. You were raised in the Jabali refugee camp. I was born, raised and lived, and my home still in Jabali camp. And a lot of your relatives have already been killed since October the 7th there in these airstrikes. But also, you've told me that right now, there are ongoing attacks. Yes, they are there in Jabalya camp living, staying there.

They are alive now. I don't know after we finish if they will be alive to talk to them or not. But it's important, P.S. I want to tell you, let us talk a man to a man. Do you have children? Yes. So, a father to a father, a human to human. You know, once the apple fill down, we discover the gravity. So let us today discover the humanity and the truth.

Because the truth is important based on evidence. Jesus said, seek the truth, and the truth sets you free. And I hope all to be free today from this meeting and to be human and to behave as a human and to advocate only and just only for humanity. How many members of your family have been lost since October 7th? About 25th. October 7th, when I watched it, I found that my sister's house where my brothers and nieces were there and this is all the members of the family who were killed.

These are all your members of your family. Of the family on the 7th. They became biles, their bodies. This is my niece who was killed. This is her body. This my niece who was engineering graduated. She was found under the rabble.

This is my niece. She is a medical doctor. She was supposed to start her specialty. This, my cousin, this is my nephew, who is a physiotherapist. And he was killed. This is my niece's daughter. And that's what we want to see. These people, they have names.

They have faces. And that's what is needed. said, this is my daughter, Bissan, who was killed 16th of January 2009, who said to meet violence, with violence doesn't solve any problem. There is an alternative way. It's not by action and reaction. It's by being, human and behaving and thinking of others. This is Mayer and Ayah. Even my niece, she named her daughter, Aya, after my daughter, Aya was killed also. These daughters, I raised them to be human. To be advocate for human, I sent them to be scams.

And she said to me... With Israelis. With the Israelis. And she said to me, I found how similar are we? We are similar, but we need to be equal. We need to be free. need to appreciate the dignity, the freedom of all. Does the life, I want to ask you, does the life of the Palestinians matter as equal to the Israelis or not?

Yes. Does the freedom of the Palestinians matter as the freedom of the Israelis? And that's what always I advocated for. I worked at the hospital when I deliver a baby, the newborn baby. The cry of the newborn baby is a cry of hope, cry of life. But now we are crying blood. Our tears are blood. The children that I help to deliver, they are free.

All of them are free. Why not to run a normal, free life? Medicine for me is a human equalizer, stabilizer, socializer, and harmonizer. So we need to live free with dignity, with equality in this world. And that's the peace. I fully advocate it. Because once we have these means, peace will be a consequence. Violence that we talk about violence.

What is violence? Violence when we violate someone's dignity, life, and human rights. So it's time. And even October 7th proved, because we tried it many times. military means and wars. It's a futile. It's a waste of time and lives. It increases bloodshed, animosity, hatred, violence, pain, suffering.

And most important is the extremism. The only way is to sit, and I am sure. This can't be solved with the military means. It's only by political and diplomatic means. acknowledging the rights of all to live side by side as equal. And that's the only way, without leaving anyone behind. You talked earlier about growing up in the Jabali refugee camp, which was struck, of course, by airstrikes, devastatingly killing members,

of your families you just recounted so powerfully. What was life like when you were there as a young person? My life as a Palestinian refugee, because I was born as a refugee, My parents were refugees. My grandparents were refugees. They were expelled from their homeland. To be thrown as a refugee. And being a refugee, what do we mean by a refugee?

You are deprived of your dignity. You become moving in this world naked, exposed. But thanks to our parents, they lost everything. But they realized the hope is in their children. We have to be educated. And Palestinian people, they invest everything in the education. education of their children. They cut from their food that now in Gaza Strip with the collective punishment they are deprived of bread, of water, of health, of gas, of fuel. How the world

can watch it and not to take action? How can you tolerate to see your son hungry? He needs milk. What are you going to do? When I see a bleeding patient, I rush to stop the bleeding. When I see a woman who is in labor pain, I rush to help her without discrimination, or to say to her, why are you screaming? Why are you crying? And that's what we need. So as a child, I was, I suffered of rheumatic fever, admitted to the hospital. I wanted to be a medical doctor in order to rescue my family from the misery of life. And that's we as Palestinians, we don't believe in the impossible thing. We have hope in our children.

I succeeded to get a scholarship to study medicine in Cairo. Everything in life I planned I succeeded. From Jabalia Camp to Cairo University, to London, to Italy, to Belgium, to Harvard University. Even when I went to Harvard, the only one of the only university, The only thing which was standing with me was Palestine flag to be raised. I am Palestinian and the proud Palestinian. And that's what I want the world to hear from the Palestinians. Palestinians are people like others with hopes, with the plans, with the dreams.

They love life and they care about others. And that's what we want the world to hear from us, not to hear. about us. The only impossible thing I believe in is to return my daughters back to life. It was 2008, I think, when you lost your wife to cancer. And that was a crushing blow,

and you were left to bring up your eight children on your own. Yes. And then within a year, devastating me, an Israeli tank during that war at the time that was raging at the time with Gaza, an Israeli tank fired on your house, and your three daughters and a niece were all killed in the most brutal manner imaginable,

blown to pieces by this tank, and you were there. It was with them. And there was an extraordinary moment, and I have asked if you're comfortable with us to play a little bit of this, because I remembered at the time. I was at CNN.

I was about to join CNN, and I remember hearing this, and it was just so moving, because you had a friend an Israeli television station, and you had regular dialogue with him during this war, and you would call in a new update and so on.

And he came on and he spoke to him just after you'd lost your daughters to this strike. And this is a little bit of that conversation. There's eight children that, he'll greg on them, in his house of Beit Lahia. Maybe the thing we can't even to ask him to, maybe he'll say to me the house of your, where you're going to send him ambulances to you, or they'll be able to be ambulances.

It's one of the most agonizing things I've ever watched. on television and eventually your friend, that presenter, he had to go because he wanted to keep talking to you and he was so distressed himself. He wanted to go off and do it privately, which he did. But an agonizing moment for you, for him, for everybody involved in that. And as a consequence of that, many people in your position may have chosen a path of wanting revenge or retribution in some way

to meet violence with violence. But you went completely the different way. And you ended up taking your family and you ended up in campus, Canada. How did you find the strength to not go down the path of wanting revenge? It's important what you mentioned, because my wife passed away 16th of September 2008, quarter to 5 p.m. And my daughters were killed 16th of January 2009, quarter to 5 p.m. Four months, exactly. Two traumas, tragedies. And what you heard, what I said, Yeah, Allah, your God, your God, or Lord.

At that moment, as what I see now, I lost faith in the humanity because the world was watching what is happening. As we are watching what is happening now, Palestinians are just numbers. They are not numbers. They are human. And that's what I would like each of us who are watching to zoom in, to put himself in the position of the Palestinians. You know what you did so powerfully, doctor,

was when you showed the pictures of your family? But you put a name to the face and you made people at home watching this. But why? But it's important. What helped me? I am by person of faith. This is important.

My life experience, my profession as a medical doctor, if a patient dies, I don't stay there. I have to move to the next. patient to save, but I need to learn why the first patient died and what are the causes, the triggers of the death of that patient? Let's just pause there. I've got to take a break. When we come back, I want to talk about the root cause of all this, and I want to talk about

how you believe from this current nightmare, not least for you and your family, we can somehow maybe get to peace. I think you're one of the best people to talk to about that. So we're back after the break with Dr. Abu Lange. I'm still with Dr. Isaldine Abulaj. I'm sure anyone who watched that first part of this interview would have been like me, I think, very, I think, taken aback by the eloquence that you talk with, the courage that you speak with.

It's really palpable. And I'm just so glad you came in to do this with me face to face so I can really feel it from you because you're so right. Palestinian lives are as important as Israeli lives. And here's the question I want to ask you. How do we, your entire life has been ravaged by this conflict. From when you were a baby to now. And you've lost so many members of your family.

And you're losing them as we speak probably, horrifically, in this camp that you grew up in. It's like this vicious circle that never ends. How do we end it? Yeah, we need to end to understand the root causes of the problem. The Palestinian people and the Israeli people. And I described it. We are like conjoint the twins. We have no other way than to live together.

And when we speak about peace and the people they talk about peace, peace is not just the world. Peace is a way of life that we believe in it. And there are between whom we want peace. Peace is a relationship between me and you. Even peace is a relationship between us and the earth that we damage the earth with the climate change. And there are certain requirements for peace. We need justice, equality, freedom.

Human rights, right? Equal rights. Yes, human rights. Equal rights. Then peace will be a consequence of that. Can peace ever be achieved now if Hamas are in charge in Gaza? As I mentioned to you, it's about Palestinian people and then Israeli people. It's not about Palestinians and the settlers, this mortage or bin Laden. or those settlers.

We want peace between the people. And that's what is needed. Palestinians and Israelis, we are created. But that has to, in the end, that has to be a political solution. It's the only way. But do you think on either side, there is the leadership there that can possibly forge

peace? Believe me, even if there is no, we need the international community to bring them, and we have the platform, we have the international resolutions, we have the human rights resolutions, because ending the conflict, all of the world will benefit from it. You see the consequences of what is happening now.

The consequences are spreading everywhere in the world. You see it in the UK, polarization, the marshes, everything. So when we solve the conflict there, all of the world will benefit from it. Why do you think it's not been solved yet? I mean, I look at Northern Ireland, for example, which was three decades or more of violence, but eventually it got resolved. But it seems to be... You know why?

Why? I met with Martin McGuinness before. And he said to me, we were going, confronting each other. Once we started to move side by side as equal, we put an end to that. And that's what we need. The international community, the world that we can, Palestinians, and it is to move side by side as equal with dignity and respect of the human rights, not as fighters.

because small room can't accommodate two fighters, but it can accommodate hundreds of friends. And that's the only way. And we are so close to each other. The commonalities between Palestinians and Israel is more than anyone else. So we need to use it, but based, as I said, on equality, respect of human rights, dignity of the Palestinians is equal to the dignity of the Israelis. The freedom of the Palestinians, even I go far beyond that.

The Israelis' freedom, safe. security, security, a future, and independence is linked and dependent on the Palestinians. We are one, we are conjoined the twins, we can't separate it. So it's time to understand also military means and power will never put an end to this. Do you, obviously you dream of this, but do you think it's a realistic dream that in your lifetime, you can have a two-state solution with Israel and Palestine, both identifying each other as states, and people living with equal human rights. Do you think that's possible?

As I said to you, nothing is impossible in life. If there is a will, there is a way. And that's what is needed. And that's what is needed. Even if the Palestinians and the Israelis, there is a challenge. We need the involvement of the international community based on fair intervention, because we want to have order in this world.

We want this order, because we live in a discordant world. These days. So we want to resume trust in the international community. In order the people in this world, they lost safety, security trust. So we want to resume it. And that's the only way to start with the Palestinian-Israeli conflict based on the human rights conventions, the international resolutions, and to resume trust in the international institutions. Believe me, I see it.

It can be quickly. If I asked you before, yes, Arafat will meet with a... Rabin and to shake hands. One year before 94, are you crazy? They will not. And they met. They were calling Yasser Arafat as a terrorist. But then he became a hero.

Nelson Mandela, he was a terrorist. But he was from his side. He was a freedom fighter. And that's what we need. We need wisdom. We need rational people. We need the involvement of the international community. Doctor, we've run out a time on this interview and I know you want to go and find out what's happening to your

family right now. I would love to stay in I would love you to come back on the show regularly and we talk about this because you're such a powerful voice. Thank you for coming in. Thank you so much, my dear. And my heart goes out to you for what's happened to your family. Thank you. It really does. Thank you.

For all the family members you've lost. Thank you. For all of the Palestinians and the Israelis. Yes. You are an amazing voice. Thank you. Thank you very much indeed. Thank you.

A remarkable van, Dr. Isaldine Abou Lage. And says to next tonight, Israel will implement four-hour pauses to let civilians flee from Gaza, but calls for a full-blown ceasefire grow ever louder. Should Israel hold his fire? Talk about the G7, including the UK and US, is calling for humanitarian pauses in Gaza. Many other countries in the Middle East are demanding a full ceasefire.

Israel has ruled out a ceasefire, while Hamas holds around 240 hostages who are kidnapped during a deadly terror attacks on October the 7th. It says there's already tactical pauses in its daily assaults on the Gaza Strip, where more than 10.5,000 people reported are now being killed in Gaza,

including over 4,000. children, according to the Hamas-run Health Ministry. On Sunday, the Pope made an urgent plea to stop the conflict, saying, I pray to you to stop in the name of God, cease the fire. So with so much bloodshed, is it time for a ceasefire? Join me now to discuss this, America's rabbi and best-selling author, Rabbi Shmuli Bataic, and welcome back to Young Turks, creator, Democratic presidential challenger, Jenk Yuga.

Well, welcome to both of you. Jek, let me start with you. Many people are calling for a ceasefire. Queen Rania of Jordan, Angela and Jolie, Arab leaders, and so on. I presume you would agree with that. Yeah, absolutely.

I think that they've murdered enough Palestinian civilians. And even Netanyahu in an interview with ABC News said, now that we're on the ground, we're finally pressuring Hamas on hostages. Oh, so the 7,000 bombs you dropped were totally useless and collective punishment and your attempt to murder civilians on purpose

as some sort of sick vengeance. So please stop the murders, ceasefire right now. Rabbi Smirley, your response? Chank is polling in the Democratic presidential primaries at 0% nothing. He has a greater likelihood of being elected the new king of France. And don't interrupt me, please. And the reason is that the American people are decent. They understand that Chank's anti-Semitism, which he has voiced on your show,

repeatedly, calling Jews genocide dares. And this is the eve of Kristalnach, the 85th anniversary of the start of the Holocaust. He would deny the Jewish people the only dignity left to us that we were victims of genocide and he would say that we are the Nazis, we are the Gestapo, for simply wanting to defend ourselves. Against the brutality and the savagery of Hamas. Chang, Chang, Shank, Shank, you'll have your turn. Just show some decency. If you're not going to show it to my people, show it to me and show it to the viewers of this show.

But who is surprised that. And a man, who is surprised that a man whose name, the name of whose podcast is young Turks who perpetrated the Armenian genocide. The young Turks is like calling your podcast the young Nazis, the young Gestapo. They killed one and a half to two million Armenians between 1915 and 1918. The Armenian community has begged, Shank to change the name of his show. For the first half of his life, he was a complete Armenian genocide. Are you going to discuss the issue?

Are you going to discuss the issue? Now he is a Holocaust denier because he is saying that the Jews are engaged in a genocide of the Palestinians. Now, which nation, how can there be 1.8 million Muslim Arab citizens? Rabbi Shroomie. I'm going to go to, Jake. You said some very strong things about Jake. You can now respond, Jane. Yeah, you should never have the sky on air.

Everything he said is a lie. I don't deny the Holocaust. That's insanity. And in terms of the Armenian genocide, there is a powerful analogy there. Why was it a genocide? And yes, it was a genocide. Why? Because they moved and displaced so many people and killed civilians on the way.

What is Israel doing? Moving and displacing millions of people and killing innocent civilians. It is the exact definition of a genocide. So I think the Jewish people are an amazing people, and their culture is beautiful. and I don't tolerate any anti-Semitism. But I think that the occupation is decaying the moral core of Israel. How long are you going to oppress these people?

And I know this guy, all he wants to do is an ad hominem attack. He's a liar. And you could tell exactly what kind of indecent human being he is. But the main reason he's doing it is to avoid the topic. When are you going to stop murdering Palestinians and cheerleading it? Okay. If you're talking about genocide, you're the one right now doing the genocide. May I respond?

May I respond? Yes. Go ahead. Moralize. Go ahead. You know, I've spent my life debating people. Whenever someone starts using personal names and screaming like a lunatic, they're losing the debate. Let me remain back.

You're the one who made up things. The Palestinians, the Palestinians were offered a state in 1936 in the appeal commission. They rejected it. They were offered a state in 1947, the UN partition plan. They rejected it. They were offered a state in 1967 after Israel conquered Judean Samaria in the West Bank. They rejected it. They were offered a state in 2000, Yasser Arafat Heir-Barak, they rejected it.

They were offered a state with Aoud Omer 2008, they rejected it. They have Israel unilaterally withdrew from Gaza in 2005, and they did not create a state. In fact, where were you, Chank, when you say that you care about Palestinian children, when Hamas stole the highest rate of per capita international foreign aid, larger than the marchal plan, from Palestinian people, children, did not build schools for them, did not build hospitals, took all the money to buy bombs and to build a network of tunnels, which is larger than the New York subway system. Where were you then? Why did you only come up now? In fact, when Bashar al-Assad killed 600,000

children, Arab children, when he gassed them with mustard gas, my organization took out full-page New York Times to protect them from sarin gas. Where were you then? You don't care about Arab children, you are a Jew hater defined as someone who only wants to lie and say that the Jews are genocide errors. And don't try to cancel me and say that I shouldn't be on. You're not a producer of this show. Because you are ignorant of the facts and ignorant of the history does not mean that you can cancel my voice. Thank you very much.

Okay, so first of all, this guy is a full-blown bigot. He's one of the most racist people I have ever seen, does not value Palestinian lives at all. And everything he said about me is 100% untrue. I was vicious in my criticism of Bashar al-Assad. I have criticized Hamas over and over again, and I think what they did in the attack against Israel was reprehensible. But for God's sake, how long are you going to occupy these people? For me, the idea of Israelis and Palestinians or Muslims or Jews being different is absurd.

Those are just stupid labels that we put on people. They're all human beings. I value the Israeli life just as my... as I value the Palestinian life. We're all human. Stop using these nonsense labels to kill each other. And all this guy wants to do is more murder of Palestinian. When are you going to let them go?

Jeng, let me ask you a question. You mentioned genocide there. What Hamas is actually in its charter dedicated to doing is the purest personification of genocide. Well, it is. They want to see the eradication of Israel and they approved on October the 7th. will kill as many Jews as they can possibly get their hands on. So that is pure genocide.

What Israel is doing in return, I don't think, meets the category of genocide, right? Because they don't want to get rid of every Palestinian. I don't want to kill every Palestinian. They want to kill every Hamas terrorist. Now, there are legitimate question marks about how they're going about this and about the civilian casualties. But there is a moral distinction between what Hamas is dedicated to doing and what Israel is dedicated to doing, isn't there? No. First of all, Hamas is a bunch of idiots. They should take that stuff out of their charter.

All it does is hurt the Palestinian cause. There's no call for it. It's dumb and it's immoral. But Hamas claims that they would like to do these things and from time to time they do these attacks that are horrible and they should never do. But Israel actually kills Palestinians, actually occupies Palestine, actually denies the Palestinians' estate.

So there's this absurd talk of like, oh, if Hamas was super powerful, they might deny Israel's existence, except Israel does exist. And the Palestinian state does not exist because Israel is blocking their state. So stop using, and I'm not saying to you, Pierce, but this propaganda, this propaganda, hold on, hold on. You know, this propaganda. You and I, you and I, Jake, you and I, Jake, you and I, you and I, Jake, you and I, You and I are almost the same age, and I'm actually quite worried for how upset you get on TV. You've got to protect your health. You're just kind of losing it.

Now, calm down. Let's be clear. When you keep advocating for the murder of civilians, Jake, Jake, Jake, you have to stop yelling. You have to stop screaming. And you need to know the facts. The Palestinians were offered a state seven times, and they rejected it seven times. Bill Clinton told Yasser Arafat in 2000, you have made me a failure as president because Israel was giving you 97 percent of Judean Samaria. and the old city of Jerusalem, and Aoud Barak even offered the Temple Mount, the holiest sight in Judaism, and the Palestinians rejected it. You simply don't know the history.

Read a book. In fact, read a Wikipedia article before you get on TV. Number two, you know, you made a very good point before, Pierce, that Winston Churchill is the greatest British statesman and hero of the 20th century. Let's remember, when Churchill was faced with a genocidal threat of the Nazis, you know what he did? Which is what would never consider doing. He laid waste to 70% of Dresden, Essen, Cologne, Berlin.

He eviscerated Germany and turned it into a parking lot, murdering about 6 million German civilians. Israel has never even considered doing a thousandth of that. And FDR acquiesced to it, and he's considered our greatest president of the 20th century. And then Harry Truman dropped two atomic bombs on Nagasaki. Hiroshima. So I, and Israel has nuclear weapons, has never considered doing that. Israel opened up Well, they've actually, okay, let me come up at you. So I have, so I have one question. I have a simple question. Jank, will you as well, you

will be consistent and call Winston Churchill a war criminal on this show today? Will you call Churchill a war criminal? All right, Jenk, answer that question. Okay, so Rabbi Shmouli, if you're actually a rabbi, what the standards of history have changed. So the Mongols, so the Mongols went into Baghdad and killed every man, woman, and child killed 800,000 people, the largest city in the world. Now, we don't live by those standards anymore. And right now, if a modern British prime minister or American president advocated for dropping a nuclear bomb in Japan or killing 70% of the people that live in Dresden, you're damn right, I'd call him a war criminal. It's a different situation today than it was in the past. And so what you're

saying is, hey, we only murdered 10,000 civilians unwontently and recklessly, and we only did a partial genocide, so we're not as guilty. I'm not buying it at all. Rabbi, I want to ask you a question. Okay, hang on, Rabbi, I want to ask you a question, which is this, which is the unique scenario in Gaza, is that nearly half of the civilian population are children. They have nothing to do with this. They're not politicians.

They're not in Hamas. They're not terrorists. They're not military. They're kids. And they are in their thousands being killed here. And I ask you, really, is there? Is there any limit you as a rabbi of the number of children who need to be killed to get rid of a mass here, or is there no limit?

Of course there's a limit. We mourn the death of every Arab, Muslim, Palestinian child as if a Jewish child died. They are absolutely equal before God. That's why Israel withdrew completely and utterly in 2005, something that Jank will not even acknowledge. There isn't one Israeli soldier. There wasn't until this new invasion. of the attack on Dharod because I went to those places, Pierce.

I was there two weeks ago. I saw the blood caked on the walls congealed to three or four inches. I saw the knives that were used to murder entire families. We saw the place where Thai, not Jewish, Thai farm workers who were growing pumpkins were beheaded. We saw the body of Shani Luke, and I spoke to her mother Ricardo, who was taken naked. These are religious men in Hamas, taken naked in her underwear and her bra, her dead body, these necrophilia savages, we saw all that. How many Palestinian children need to die?

God forbid, not one. All Hamas needs to do is let the civilian population go south. Stop using them as human shields. Hamas wants these Palestinian children to die. Every Palestinian child to Hamas is a bulletproof vest. Okay, but you said that you said. They exist for no other reason than to humiliate Israel. Okay.

Let them go south and be safe. Okay. But Hamas wants them. It's Hamas's fault. It's Hamas's fault. It's Hamas's fault. Rabbi Shmuli, you did say there is a limit. What is that limit? Pierce, it's hard to put a number on how many people Hamas is prepared to allow to die in order to destroy the state of Israel. Remember, Hamas's motto is from the sea to sea, Israel will be, Palestine will be free. It's the annihilation of every Jew.

Iran calls for it openly, a second Holocaust. This is the eve of Kristallnacht. I don't want to put a number on how many Palestinian children. I want a ceasefire right now. Hamas must surrender unconditionally, just like FDR and just like Churchill demanded of the Nazis, unconditional surrender, release the hostages. We get a ceasefire right now. Chang, let me ask you to call for a ceasefire by having Hamas, who you think actually

cares about the Palestinian population, announce their surrender. Call for their surrender right now. They launch this attack unprovoked against Israel. 1400 people, they are holding little babies whose diapers need to be changed as hostages. Call for them to surrender unconditionally. All right, Jen, final word to you. Can we... Okay.

So, look, all this is nonsense. First of all, Israel did not withdraw. They control the borders of Gaza 100%. And as you can tell now, they cut off the water and power anytime they want. The Jewish people have been oppressed throughout history. My heart goes out to the Jewish people for all the pain and the suffering that they have endured through all of these years. But now Israel, unfortunately, is not the oppressed. It is the oppressor.

Look at them dropping 7,000 bombs on grandmothers and children. There's an American nurse that explained on CNN yesterday about how she sees little kids with burns all across their bodies. So Hamas is terrible. Yes, I can call for their surrender. That's easy. I don't like Hamas. I think Hamas is Muslim fundamentalist.

But it's an impossible standard. And you know they're not going to meet that standard. And because you want to keep killing those civilians to show them how mighty you are and what a great oppressor you are. I'm sick of it. And it's not only ruining the Palestinians and causing their guests, but it is ruining, it is causing the more than decay of Israel. This is a blood libel, blood libel. This is a blood libel against the Jewish people. You may as well just say that we drink the blood of Christian children in our mouths. Jen, you are guilty of a blood libel on the eve of Kristallel. You should be ashamed of yourself.

I'm going to call it. I'm going to call. Holds of blood libel. Change the name of your show away from Young Turks to a genocide dares who killed a million Armenians. I'm going to try and wrestle things back to the host here and call a ceasefire for now. It's been a fascinating debate, very passionate on both sides.

I get that. I appreciate you both agreeing to debate each other. I think that's important in this situation. And thank you for coming on the show. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. God bless you. This guy's ruining. There's tremendous anti-Semitism in the world.

By crying wolf, he's actually hurting the Jewish cause tremendously. From people like you. Okay, you're a bigot. Stop killing Palestinians, you bigot. Okay, we're going to leave it there. Thank you very much. Welcome back to Uncensored. Hamas terrorists are still holding around 240 hostages

who are they kidnapped and brought into Gaza during the October 7 terror attacks. Posters displaying their faces, clearly many of the children. A desperate plea for help had been put up on walls around the globe. However, anti-Israel protesters have taken. upon themselves to rip them down in New York. Multiple flyers are torn away daily. In Germany, police were caught tearing down posters of hostages too. And here in London, the same has happened. My next guest was called on the act. Shehab El Refi, Tawed down posters of the hostages in Los Angeles.

And he joins me now. Mr. El Refi, why would you rip down posters of hostages? Why would you do that? What's the answer? Because it is perpetuating a completely false narrative that the Israelis are the victims, of which I do not promote any violence towards any innocent human being, regardless of their background or beliefs, or any type of targeting of a specific individual. And those people that have their pictures on those posters, I do not know them, and I do not wish anybody who is innocent any type of harm.

It is more of a symbolic gesture, because it is pathetic propaganda that they are putting into, civilian areas that we are living in, and they're perpetuating this narrative to keep subconsciously programming people to think that Hamas are terrorists. Let me not even refer to Hamas, just the Palestinian people in general

and Muslim people in general. Let me tell you the context. Just like 9-11. Let me tell you the context of where you did this. You were several blocks down from the Holocaust Museum in Los Angeles. There are many Jewish people who live in Los Angeles. And these 240 hostages include

grandmothers who escape the Holocaust, they include three-month-old babies. They include many children, and their families are understand to be desperate for information about where they are and whether they're still alive. And we've already had some cases

where people, from the identity on the posters, they have been identified as still alive. Why would you deprive families of that? All due respect to anybody who is suffering the loss of people that they love, which many people around the world are currently suffering from, but there's always a spotlight on a specific demographic of people.

Because apparently, just like George O'Will would say, some people are more equal than others. And also a very important clarification that needs to be done is the difference between Zionism and Judaism. Zionism is a political ideology that is using Judaism as a front to push its agenda, whereas Judaism is simply a religion of which my own religion stems from. Would you like me to show...

We're talking about 240 people. Why are you laughing? What's possibly funny about this? Because if you have the background information that I have about the world in general on how politics is a game and war is business, you'd realize why this, I'm not laughing at people suffering. Not at all. I completely do not wish that to happen to anyone.

You were literally laughing as I asked you about 240 hostages, including a three-month-old baby. What about all the people that are getting obliterated in Gaza right now? Why do you stop playing one? Boutary. Why don't you stop playing what about it? There are mass protests. What happened to the hostage? There are a mass protest. To be clear. Hold on. What happened to the old lady that was released and she shook his hand before there are mass protests. I'd appreciate if you don't interrupt me. There are mass protests all over the

world, pro-Palestinian protests. They have joined a single protest. Hold on. They are being allowed to happen. They have not joined a single protest. But they're being allowed to happen. I would like to send a message to those protesters and protesters around the world. when you go out into the street begging your so-called leaders to do something, why don't you do something yourself? Why do we keep giving the authority and power to certain pathetic individuals

who have no competence to be in the positions that they're in to continue having the quote-unquote power? The power is within each and every single individual, which is something we have completely forgotten, and this is how they have people like puppets on strings. Again, I simply ask you... Wait a minute. Many members of modern humanity are pathetic.

I simply ask you why you would rip down posters of people who've been taken hostage, which may give their families some hope if someone can identify them that they may still be alive. It's false hope. Just like, okay, let me answer your question on multiple layers. It's false hope, number one. If they really wanted them back, they'd be back. Number two, what about all the other families that are suffering from? They're seeing their direct family getting bombed and their entire. the videos that I'm seeing on accounts like Maatazza Aziz's Instagram page and many other journals that are there posting about these things,

if I started doing that on the street and putting his content, just take a screenshot and put it on the street. Los Angeles and any place that is of a civilian manner is not going to be civilian anymore. It's going to be too graphic for people to walk around on the streets and live the rest of their lives. And also another message to the protesting. That has nothing to do with the question I asked you again. doesn't do with it. You're not answering the question. Maybe you're not understanding the nuances of my communication.

You know what? I've got to be honest with you. I don't really care about your subtle nuances or you thinking it's all entertaining. Because it's a multi-layered. It's a multi-layered situation. It's not multi-layered. You are walking around near the Holocaust Museum in Los Angeles, a place I've attended several times

have found profoundly moving. I've actually been there recently. You are walking around there several weeks after the worst attack on Jewish people since the Holocaust. It's not on Jewish people. It's not on Jewish people. It's not on Jewish people. I live with Jewish people.

I am currently living with Jewish people in Jewish Central. And your only contribution to this is to walk around and rip down hostage posters. And you seem to find it funny. No, my main contribution would be to educate people on what is really happening. Well, let me educate you. Let me educate you. What you are doing is shockingly insensitive and, inappropriate and hurtful to the family members of those people taken hostage, including many

young children. And by the way, I also think the deaths of all the children in Gaza is horrific, and I've said so many times. But what you are doing, your sole contribution to that, your sole contribution to this is to rip down posters of hostages, and I find that contemptible. Well, end the interview there. Thank you for your time. That's it for me, whatever you're up to. Make sure it's uncensored. Good night.