Piers Morgan Uncensored - Piers Morgan Uncensored: Gavin Williamson 'resigns' & Naked Bird Girl

Episode Date: November 8, 2022

Tonight on Piers Morgan Uncensored, Piers reacts to the breaking news that Gavin Williamson 'resigned' and speaks to Isabel Oakshott about the public reaction to Matt Hancock entering the jungle. Piers is joined by Andrew Tate, the banned controversial influencer, in a conversation on whether billionaire Elon Musk is saving free speech as he takes over Twitter. Piers Morgan questions 'Naked Bird Girl' Hannah Bourne-Taylor on the bird populations we should be most worried about. Watch Piers Morgan Uncensored at 8 pm on TalkTV on Sky 526, Virgin Media 606, Freeview 237 and Freesat 217. Listen on DAB+ and the app.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

To another, Peers Morgan, uncensored, disgrace Matt Hancock finally slithers into the Australian jungle as two disgraced cabinet members back home cling to their jobs. It's British politics facing a crisis of talent. And as Elon Musk's revolution continues to cause mayhem at Twitter, can the billionaire say free speech online? I'll ask the most infamous man on the internet, Andrew Tate. Plus, in a jaw-dropping, fluttering, world-exclusive.

I'll talk to a protest to, I actually agree with. Naked Birdgirl will be here live, naked in the studio. Live from London, this is Pearz Morgan Uncensored. Well, good evening from London. Welcome to Pierce Morgan Unsensitive, for better or worse, and it's probably both. This is the age of the spectacular political comeback. Netanyahu faced scandal after scandal in Israel.

Now he's back for a sixth term. Brazil just re-elected President Lula after 11 years out of office, couldn't two years in jail. Boris Johnson briefly terrified Britain with sinister threats of his own second coming and if Republicans get the results they're predicting in today's US midterm elections, we may be on course for the most remarkable comeback of them all.

I'm going to be making a very big announcement on Tuesday, November 15, at Mar-a-Lago in Palm Beach, Florida. I think we could probably guess what the announcement will be. It won't be that he's a lot of. going on to a quiet retirement to play golf. A so-called red wave could also mean there's no comeback in 2024 for this guy. 10, 12, 15.

Oops, stepping on. It's black, anyway. You can judge for yourself whether that's a good thing. Political comebacks are not always spectacular. Sometimes are evidence of a total absence of talent and the grubby residue you're left with when you scrape past the bottom of the barrel. Croella Braverman, as she's now become known,

returned his British Home Secretary to six days after being fired for sending sensitive documents to her private email account. Since then she'd lost what little grip we had of our borders as sparked a diplomatic incident with Albania. And the ghastly Gavin Williamson is back in the cabinet after twice being fired, and then inexplicably getting knighted for his services to being a failure. And now two short weeks into his latest tenure,

he's disgraced a government, yet again, with stories of bullying. I get why Prime Minister Rishi Sunat brought them back. It's a big tent politics, uniting the warring factions of the Conservative Party after years of chaos and big tents are also for circuses. And the best thing he can do right now, frankly, is fire them both

and get on with fixing the country. There's one other failed disgrace and universally despised British politician we'd all hope we'd seen the back of and it's the former health secretary, Matt Hancock, who tonight will crawl into the I'm a celebrity jungle in New South Wales, Australia, precisely 10,190 miles away from the very people who's supposed to represent in West Suffolk.

This may well be the age of the comeback, but I think I speak for the whole of Britain when I say to Matt Hancock, in your case, we'll make an exception. Well, joining me now as a Talk TV international editor, an author of Matt Hancock's Pandemic Diaries, Isabel Oshott, former I'm a celebrity contestant, Christine Hamilton, and The Beast, Mark Labette from the TV series. The Chase joins me now.

he's actually fading away since even the last time I saw you. How are you? About eight stone lighter these days. You are eight stone lighter in what period of time? Oh, it's about the way to do it properly over about five or six years. And how do you feel? Hungry. Well, you're not going to be hungry, because Matt Hancock is going to be hungry.

I want to start with Isabel Oakshot on this, because I wasn't aware you'd been the co-author, or presumably be the main author, of his pandemic diary. which already will put you right into the firing line when those get unleashed on the world. But is there any defence you can put up taking your co-author hat off for a moment about him going into the jungle

to pour himself around as his constituents face the worst cost of living crisis in history? Well, look, Peers, I think that the hatred and the pylon on Matt Hancock is out of all proportion to anything he may or may not have done in terms of the rules he broke during the pandemic. This is somebody who gave the best part of 18 months of their life

to trying their level best to save lives. Now, I have plenty of disagreements, actually, with his response to the pandemic and many of the policies he pursued. You and I peers actually have a different view on this, and my view is certainly different to Matt Hancox on the merits of lockdown. But whether or not you agree,

with how he handled the pandemic response. He was responsible for securing the UK the vaccine ahead of most of the rest of the world. And I just feel that the hatred that has been directed at him is completely disproportionate given how much he gave. Let me respond. I mean, honestly, I've heard defending the indefensible, but that is wild-class stuff there, Ms. Oak's shot.

Because let me represent the case for the prosecution. He said in January, just before the pandemic began, that we were fully prepared as a country for the pandemic after the first reports from China had come out about a coronavirus. Turned out we were uniquely ill-prepared. We had no PPE equipment, which meant that a lot of health workers and care workers died. We had no testing system,

which meant we didn't know who the hell had it at any given time. So we sent elderly people back from hospitals into care homes where they died in their tens of thousands. We didn't close our borders at all. We let millions of people flooding from countries where coronavirus was on the rampage, etc., etc., etc. On vaccines, it was Kate Bingham who sorted out the vaccines, not Matt Hancock.

So when you put the case for the... I'm sure the pandemic diaries will tell a different story, but I was living all this all day, every day, and I will be fascinated to read his account of it. But the idea that somehow, before there's even been an inquiry, We should be letting him off the hook when the UK had, and this remains the case, more people die in the UK from COVID

than any other country in Europe. That's just a statistical fact. Well, peers, hang on a minute. I'm not letting Matt Hancock off the hook and I'm certainly not here to defend his pandemic response. I'm here to talk about his role in the jungle. You'll have to wait for the book, which I'm sure you'll find extremely interesting.

I think you will find. Okay, let me ask you this, then. Let's turn to the jungle. This is actually, I'm actually as exercised about this as I was about his pandemic antics. Because to me, he should at least have the good grace. Having been fired for breaking his own lockdown rules with an affair inside government buildings where they literally devised the lockdown rules, having been fired from that and having presided, as I say, over a catastrophic handling the pandemic, certainly in the first phase, The idea that before there's even an inquiry twin of this stuff, before even the embers have settled on his shameful exit from government, the idea he then pockets 400,000 pounds to fly halfway, well, literally across the world, 10,000 miles to Australia, to go and make an idiot of himself when I'm assembly to get me out of here, while his constituents back in West Suffolk are going through the worst cost of living crisis, many of them will have ever experienced, I think is completely and utterly shameful. How dare he?

How dare he abrogate his duties of politicians? Disappear off on the taxpayer dime to Australia to promote himself and pocket all this cash? Seriously, how dare he? Well, first of all, I'm not Matt Hancock, so you'll have to wait, and I'm sure he'll respond to all of that. But we don't know how much he's earning from this.

There are rumoured figures. I'm sure it is a substantial amount. We also know that he's going to be giving a great deal of that to charity. We also know that thanks to this government's own policies, he's going to be having to give, I don't know the answer to that. So how do you know is substantial? Well, I'll tell you this, peers. One thing I know for sure is that the top tax rate is still 45p,

so we know perfectly well that he's going to be giving at least 45% of that to the state. So that's a form of charity in itself. Oh, do me a favor. You know, one thing I will. Oh, shot, you cannot say that. with a straight face. Because he's actually paying some tax. All right, look, we're going to be 15% of the tax. Christine Hamilton is now covering her face with her hands,

in disbelieve of what she's just heard. Christine Hamilton, your response to Ms. Oakshot's defence. Well, honestly, I mean, commendable loyalty from Isabel because she's doing a book with Matt Hancock, but I mean, I have really heard it all now because he's going to pay tax on it. I mean, heaven's alive. Let's leave aside his COVID record, because frankly, you've covered that quite well.

Let's just leave that aside. The man is a member of Parliament. He is paid pretty handsomely by most people's terms to be a member of Parliament. We the taxpayer pay him. His constituents expect him to look after their interests, either at Westminster or in Suffolk. And as you say, he's gone to the other side of the world. His argument, and I think it's fairly well established that he is getting around 400,000. So many various sources have confirmed it.

But his argument for going in, he says, because he wants to go to where the people are. And apparently 12 million people, was it 12 or 10, tuned in last night to I'm a Celebrity? Well, that's obviously a lot more than tune in to yesterday in Parliament. He wants to talk about dyslexia. And so therefore he wants to go to the people to talk about dyslexia. Has he ever watched I'm a celebrity?

Does he honestly think that ITV are going to spend prime time giving his views on dyslexia. They're going to have him eating kangaroo testicles for the delectation of the British public while hanging upside down in a crocodile. Exactly. The problem is he's lost his ministerial career. He knows that's gone. He's lost his car.

He's lost his uplift in salary. And he seems to think, in my view, that he's going to be able to reinvent himself, like Ed Balls did, who is now a national treasure. having done strictly and some great television programs. But honestly, Matt Hancock is not Ed Balls. People who know him say he's actually quite likable. No, Balls was Balls, and Han is a cock, in my opinion. Let me go to Markler.

You're sitting here patiently listening to all this. It turns out, this isn't a bombshell development. He's actually got your slot. You were being lined up for it. Well, I might have been. I don't know. I was one of the people interviewed, and they hadn't said a word to me,

which tends to mean they're probably keeping you on file just in case. We're both graduates of Exeter College Oxford, but it looks like he got the gig and I didn't. But I'll make a try to defend the indefensible. Come on, then. What parliamentary rules has he broken? Yeah, we're all fed up that he's gone there and he's trousers in fortune. Has he actually broken any of the rules of being an MP?

And I'd love it if the Speaker's office would say, yeah, he has. Consistency. Apply the rules to everyone. Yeah, but I think what he's broken is every moral rule. which is that when you are elected by the British public and you earn 84 grand a year to be a member of parliament, you down well turn up in Parliament. But that's the problem.

You say the moral rules there have been MPs who barely bothered. They get turfed out the next election. They're not legally obliged, whether we should be. But I think they're shameful too. But what's worse about this is he's trousering all this extra cash to go and take part in this dumb reality show, which, of course, we'll all watch. And it's got huge ratings.

But it's, to me, profiting from the blood money of handling a pandemic incredibly badly, leading to the worst death toll in Europe, profiting blood money again from the shame of leaving the government when he was caught breaking his own lockdown rules. Lockdown rules, which cause a lot of other deaths, by the way, and continue to do so because the lockdowns were so draconian. You can have an argument about it. I supported them at the time as being the only blunt instrument we had until a vaccine came along.

But that's a different argument. But my point about it is, in the end, this guy, there are millions of people in this country, really suffering on the breadline right now, really suffering. They will want help from their MP. And their MP is gallivanting out in Australia taking part in stupid games for 400 grand,

while they're all left on their own. That's my problem with it. No, I agree. Morally, it stinks. I'm just saying from the legal point of you, has he actually failed his legal duty. There's one thing I think people haven't thought of here. you're one of the ten other people or whatever is in the jungle.

What happens you see Matt Hancock turn up and you've lost loved ones in the pandemic? Well, we know Charlottie and White House. I'll be honest, I might have been tempted and knock his lights out if I've seen him. We know she got very tearful on air talking about, I think it was a relative or a good friend who died of COVID, right?

There will be millions of people watching who feel that way. I know so many people who lost loved ones. I know people who in the lockdown, I had a very good school friend of mine who said goodbye to her mother on FaceTime on a mobile phone because she wasn't allowed to go to the care home which had COVID ripped through it because people were sent back from hospital about being tested.

That was on Matt Hancock. So there will be people absolutely spewing blood about this. And that's my problem with it. I will always give the government a little bit of leeway because in March 2020, none of us knew what was coming. They were trying their best under difficult circumstances. What we probably don't take into account is that half the government were going down with this disease at the moment, including the prime minister.

So you would have had sub-opt. My response to that is... But I'd agree with you after that. Well, in 2016, we had a pandemic exercise called exercise sickness. And it was a three-day exercise in which it planned the country, supposedly, for a pandemic. And they made a number of recommendations based on the fact there was no BPE, no testing system and so on. None of it got acted on. Do you know who was in charge?

You know who was in charge? Jeremy Hunt, who's the new chance of his checker. He was Health Secretary. Now, so breaking news has just come in as we're talking about hapless members of governments. Gavin Williamson has resigned. So they obviously listen to my monologue, and they've got rid of him.

Gavin Williams and Williamson has gone. That's the third time he's had to leave the government. It's Rishy Sunax's first loss of a cabinet minister. Frankly, Rishi, if you're watching, you brought this on yourself. Why would you bring back Gavin Williamson, who by general consent was utterly hopeless? Why would you put him back in the government only for this to happen? Apparently, William says he's becoming a distraction. You think? You think?

Absolutely ridiculous he was brought back. Shameful that he's now had to resign. And we've got Matt Hancock and the jungle. Is anybody left, is anyone left to defend this? Isabel Oaksa? Before I let you go, your thoughts on Gavin Williamson? Well, I didn't think that the text message exchange was reason enough for him to resign because we've all had spats with colleagues, haven't we? But clearly there was more to it.

But, peers, I just want to challenge your long rant there, blaming all the ills of the pandemic on Matt Hancock. And you seem to be fixating with the money that he's supposedly receiving for this stint in the jungle. I will say in Matt's defence, I have rarely met anyone as hardworking. and I don't think that his constituents are going to lose out long run as a result of him being in the jungle. You can take his shoe with his handling of the pandemic or not. How much are you getting for the book?

I'm sorry? How much are you both getting for the book? I've had not a penny. I have had not a penny for the book. Well, you're doing it for free. It's an act of charity. I actually, do you know what, peers? I have spent pretty much the whole year working on it for not one penny.

That may surprise you. Will that still be the case when you sell the rights? Well, I would very much hope that I end up recouping some of my losses. Let's put it that way. But this is not a book I have done for the money. It's a book that I've done for the journalistic story. You know me, Piers. I like to be at a heart of the stories.

I don't think there was any job worse than being Madonna's toy boy lover. But I think being Matt Hancock's defender is right up there, Oakeshaw. I've got to be honest. Wait till you read the book and then work it out. I am waiting with baited breath. Thank you for joining us from... Are you still in Australia? You're back here now, aren't you?

I'm back here, and certainly nowhere near a jungle, unfortunately. Just the political one. Well, we appreciate you joining us. Christy, thank you very much for joining us. Mark, great to see you. Tell me about Chase. Is there anything coming for Christmas?

Yes, we've got two Christmas shows, the glamorous one, and we are... I've heard rumours. You might be in a lady's underwear. Is that right? Chance would be a fine thing. I can't possibly comment. You'll have to tune in on Christmas Day.

It's a brilliant show. I went on it and it was extremely excruciating. But I did enjoy the experience in a weird self-it. This was a bit of a clip here. Look. Oh, it was nightmare. Yeah, I mean, you were, the top of you look like a beast, and you've lost so much weight.

I'm not sure the beast tag really applies. I'm still bigger than most people. But unfortunately, for you, the one thing we lurk from that, Susanna's way smarter than you. I'm sorry about that. See, on general knowledge, I tell you, She was really good.

I'd have her on my quiz team any time. She knows her stuff. I always said she was like the school swat, Susanna. Anyway, great to see you. Thanks for coming, you, mate. Much appreciated it. Still to come on, on, on Sensored. She's dared to bear all for her cause, which is birds.

And she's here in the studio, naked bird girl will be live. Here she is. Wearing barely a stitch of clothing. And I'm fully supportive of this kind of protest. And we'll discuss why in a few moments. Plus Elon Musk's Twitter has suspends accounts for parody him, is he still the man to say free speech online? Well, one man knows the thing I'll do about being banned on social media is Andrew Tate.

He's back. He's uncensored again. And we're giving us his views on Elon Musk. And what's going on at Twitter? Welcome back to Pittsburgh and Unsensurate. Well, big breaking news in the last few minutes. Sir, still sounds preposterous, Gavin Williamson, knighted for services to resigning and being fired,

has now been fired again from government. Letters just come out from him saying he refutes, of course. All allegations have been. a nasty little bully, but he's gone anyway because he's become a distraction. Well, Kate McCann, our political guru, joins me live now from the heart of Westminster there, which is probably exploding with excitement.

To Kate, I mean, this is the least surprising news of the entire millennium. The more surprising aspect of all this is what on earth Rishishish Sunnak was doing, bringing somebody so damaged with such a record of failure and ignominious departures from government back into his first government, only for this to then blow up.

Yeah, and I think that was the question that's been swirling around Westminster this afternoon, speaking to people there, you know, trying to understand whether this was one of those issues that was going to run and run. The thing that kept coming back time and again was that it's the question of Rishi Sunak's political judgment. And people kept pointing to different things that he'd done during his time, not just as Prime Minister, but also as Chancellor too. His reaction, for example, to some of the allegations about his own family and the way he dealt with those, that people were saying, well, maybe he's just not quite up to it in terms of the politics and suggesting that he has six months to prove those doubters wrong. I mean, I think from this letter, it's very clear that Gavin Williamson feels fairly

aggrieved by the fact that he's had to resign. As you pointed out, their peers, he says he refutes the characterisation of these claims but recognises that he's becoming a distraction. He also says, interestingly, that he has apologised to the recipient of the messages. He's talking there about Wendy Morton, the former Conservative Chief Whip, until very recently, also a position that he once held. Now, she said over the last couple of days, through allies, not directly, that she felt pretty fed up, that he hadn't directly apologised,

and that actually she'd now referred those text messages to an independent watchdog. There were three, by the end of today, investigations into Gavin Williamson's conduct. That one, one from the Conservative Party, and number 10, was also looking into other serious allegations which emerged yesterday in the Guardian newspaper. And I think it was fair to say that his time had come. there was a question about whether or not Gavin Williamson would be allowed to stay until those investigations were over. But clearly tonight, that's not the case.

Someone at some point has stepped in. If it was Rishi Sunak, perhaps the message had got through that people were questioning his political judgment. But next time, you should just call me Rishi Sunak and ask me, is this a good idea, peers? It would be a bit like the conversation about Suella Brabaman. No, these are not good ideas. You don't bring somebody back after six days

after they've been fired, and you never bring back someone like Gavin Williamson, because he's obviously completely useless. Anyway, I would imagine the repercussions of this will be pretty significant, not just for Williamson who's gone or for the government, but also for Rishi Sunak himself, big test of his leadership so early into his tenure. He's supposed to be steadying the ship, calming everything down, no more dramas. And here we are, just a few weeks into his tenure,

with a spectacular sacking of one of his first cabinet members. Yeah, an absolutely terrible timing peers. I mean, we're going into Prime Minister's questions tomorrow. It's only, I think, Rishi Sunak's third outing against Labour leader, Sakeir Stama. And if you were Labor tonight, you'll be rubbing your hands together. You've got an absolute wealth of opportunities to push the Prime Minister in difficult directions. This is going to be top of your agenda. What on earth went wrong with Gavin Williamson, and why did you let this drag out over the weekend?

But today, there was a debate in Parliament over Suella Braverman. whether she ought to be home secretary. Really big questions about her appointment. You've got what's happening at Manston with immigration, illegal migrants crossing the channel and then being essentially left in tents for weeks on end. There's a question of why he did or didn't want to go to COP 27 and whether that speech was long enough. I mean, there are lots and lots of questions for Rishi Sunak. And the problem for the government at the moment is that they're pretty hamstrung about what they can actually say.

And so we get to the budget in just under two weeks time when they will reveal some difficult choices. I mean, you've seen over the last couple of days potentially trying to soften that blow, expectation management about the size of the black hole, 50, 60 billion pounds, and then a clear message in the Times that actually those who are most vulnerable will be protected. But that doesn't mean things won't be hard. So Richie Sunak is looking down a tunnel at the end of it is a really difficult budget he's got to deliver with his chancellor and suck up quite hard headlines. This is the last thing he needs right now. No, but the one thing he's talking about looking at things. he was probably watching my show because at 8 p.m. tonight,

I called for Gavin Williamson to be fired, and at 8.11 p.m., he was fired. And I'm doing the maths here, Kate McCann, and as usually, it looks like the corridors of power are listening to me. Well, Piers, maybe they're in the market for, you know, an extra director of comms. Would you consider it? I would never demean myself, which is a lowly level.

The tagline PM... What about a position in the Lords? PM for PM still has the most majestic ring to it. And you know what, if I do become Prime Minister, you can come and be my director of comms. My little Alistair Campbell. Little, you're little, Alistair Campbell. Well, you're little, aren't you, compared to Alistair Campbell?

He's huge. I'll consider it. I'll consider it. Big breaking news anyway. You're going to be very busy again, Kate. Thanks to joining the show. We appreciate it. Elon Musk's tenure at Twitter has begun explosively with mass layoffs and hotly debated plans to charge you.

for verification. This has vowed to restore free speech to the platform most divided opinion. The site so far not restored any high-profile banned accounts like Donald Trump's and so on. In fact, Twitter suspended several celebrities for impersonating Musk, although that was an existing rule that you couldn't do that. We're joining me now as Andrew Tate. His videos have been viewed billions of times online, but he's been banned from pretty much every mainstream social media platform, including Twitter. Andrew Tate, welcome back to Piers Morgan Uncensored. Your take on this, I think, it's quite interesting because you've been a victim of being, if victims are right

word, but you've been removed from social media platforms for your opinions. Elon Musk has dedicated himself, he says, to restoring free speech. Do you think that's going to include you, for example? I don't think it matters if it includes me or not. I think what's important is that free speech is the number one weapon against absolute tyranny. And although you cannot have complete free speech, because then conversations completely break down into asinine insult fests. I do like the idea of the changing of the guard when it comes to control over information.

Is it possible, Andrew Tate, to actually police something like Twitter, to be a platform for genuine free speech? Or is it so toxic and tribal now that whatever happens, you know, before we had all the people on the right screaming away that they were being no platformed and so on. Now you've got all the people on the left screaming that they're being, you know, diminished in some way.

It's very tribal, very toxic. Can Musk cut through that? And if so, how? Yeah, it's going to be extremely difficult. There's always going to be one group of people who are extremely unhappy. But I think that anybody who's perspicacious enough to understand the truth of what's been going on in the world recently will know that the left and their narratives have certainly been protected for a very long time.

And the universe has swings and balances. and God often restores balance to the universe and perhaps it might swing the other way for a while. I truthfully am a person who believes that all points of view are extremely important because as soon as you block points of view, you have absolute tyranny. And in a way, it's sort of self-defeating, isn't it? Because you carried on getting huge attention. It's interesting to me that when you came on the show, for example,

we've had, I think, nearly six million people have viewed the whole interview that we did, which is a huge number of people, certainly far. higher than Washington on conventional television. So you have a whole, you have a whole world out there online which operates away from social media platforms. Yeah, I've been very, very successful in spite of them, but not many people can do that. I'm in a pretty unique position, but I think that everybody needs a voice to a degree. And social media platforms are now the most important platforms on the planet. They control information and they influence real world decisions. And they influence people's perception of reality, the last,

years of COVID have been a perfect example of what happens when you censor one side of the argument and you only allow one point of view to be purported by the matrix in and of itself. And that's how you end up in tyrannical situations. I think you were just discussing that, Pierce. Yeah. And I think a perfectly valid point. You know, people have quite, I think quite rightly held me to task over some of the positions I took during the COVID pandemic. Notably, when the scientists said as a definitive fact that you couldn't transmit the virus if you had the vaccine, it turned out that wasn't true. And I based my observations on that supposed fact and said, right, well, in that case, if you refuse to be vaccinated, you shouldn't get the same rights as people who've been vaccinated.

If it's true that if you're unjabbed, you can pass it on. It turned out, actually, there's not much difference whether you've been vaccinated in a lot. And at that point, I changed my mind. But I felt that there were a lot of people who were being de-platformed from Twitter at the time for questioning the validity of scientific statements, and they would then be a complete U-turn. So I do think it was a very interesting period, actually, for testing what free speech means. It was actually worse than that, you're right, Pierce, but it was actually worse than interesting, because what happens is when you censor an entire side of the argument and only allowed one side of the argument to have a voice, you are changing reality in real time.

You are shaping the world. The only reason that scam continued as long as it did, and the only reason people didn't get to see their own parents get buried, and the only reason people sat and missed cancer appointments because they were scared of the common cold was because they were censoring anybody who said anything contrary to the purported version of events that the mainstream media decided they want the entire world to swallow.

It's beyond simply interesting, and it's beyond simply funny or coincidental. I mean, I would look at the world. I will challenge you on one thing. It's not the common cold, right? COVID-19 has killed 6.6 million people. It is one of the most deadly viruses, certainly, of our lifetime. So it wasn't the common cold,

but I do think it is completely justified for people to say we should be more cautious, I think, about accepting during fast-moving pandemics the word of scientists as being sacrosaned because on a number of things, from the use of masks to the efficacy of vaccines in preventing transmission, they did massive U-turns.

I've read enough history books to know that the people who do the censoring are never the good guys. And they've been censoring a lot of arguments for a very long time in the name of good. They are weaponizing virtue and it's always in the name of tyranny. Anybody who was out here trying to silence

an entire side of an argument on any subject, whether it's COVID-19, immigration, anything else, they are the evil people who are out for absolute mind control of the populace. And they should be feared. I certainly agree that I think the healthiest thing for any democracy

is for all views to be aired and debated. We seem to have lost the ability to debate. You know, when I interviewed you, yeah, we had a few fractious moments, but actually, I thought it was a pretty spirited debate between people who perhaps had preconceived views of each other. And I've got no problem interviewing you now about these because I think you have an interesting take on this stuff. And that's the key to life.

When you reach that level of adolescence in your mindset where you can't handle any point of view that is contrary to your own, then you're truly a broken person. And that's what the internet is purporting. It's very interesting you said about Twitter being tribal. There's a large contingent of people on Twitter who simply cannot handle reading an opinion which differs from their own.

And that is a degree of immaturity that we do not need adults to be functioning with in the modern world. No, I agree. If you were Elon Musk, this idea of charging $8 now a month, whatever it is, to access the Blue Tick premium Twitter account, would you do that? Would you pay the extra? I think that social media companies for a very long time have lived in an absolute fantasy

where they've printed money from thin air by charging people for pixels. And they grew into these large conglomerates with too many staff sitting around doing nothing, having coffee breaks. And Elon Musk is a businessman. He's walked into the office and he's firing a bunch of people who are messing around doing nothing. And he wants his business to make money as it absolutely should. And how he decides that happens is his prerogative. I don't see why we should sit and accept that a website needs 200,000 people sitting around discussing

in long meetings sitting on beanbags about policy of human rights of some garbage. When he's come along and said, no, I'm a businessman. We're going to charge for our service. We're going to reduce the number of staff. We're going to be a functional, coherent company, as they should be. And it's his prerogative to do it as he's bought the company. I think he can do whatever he wants. Yeah, I mean, I don't disagree because I remember the appalling censorship of the New York Post exclusive about Hunter Biden, the son of the presidents, about his laptop. This is three weeks before the election that Joe Biden won.

He was heading to a possible victory, but it was tight. And that story, they reckon, could have tipped it either way. But it was completely suppressed and censored. Starting with Twitter, then Facebook, then others, Twitter literally locked out the New York Post account for two weeks for breaking a completely true story. I thought that was shameful. It's worse and shameful.

It's worse and shameful. When you control information, you control the real. world. They affect the real world in absolute, in real time. They are genuinely affecting the reality of people live in. They're not just a company. They're not just a social media platform. It affects absolutely every single person on the planet when it changes who is elected. I don't want to comment specifically on Hunter Biden or the laptop. I would never kill myself, but I don't think it's fair that they would hide certain key information that close to an election. And the fact that they've done that was done specifically to affect the world that we all live in.

And we all have to suffer the consequences of those things. So to sit and say that these companies can just do whatever they want, they're private, et cetera. No, free speech is beyond important for democracy. It's important for the reality that we exist under. Andrew Tate. Thank you for joining me. I appreciate it.

Thank you, Frank. Well, still a cup. I'll be talking protests, bird life, and feeling most definitely uncensored. This is my kind of eco-activist. There she is. The naked bird lady. But there is more to her than just the outfit.

It's actually a very good protest and we'll explain why. Plus, reaction to tonight's big breaking news, that Gavin Williamson has resigned, fired yet again. I'll be with my pack to talk about that. They won't expect that to happen. But now they do, they'll move like all my packs into game mode on Gavin Williamson. Well, big breaking news, another, Gavin Williamson, arguably the world's most useless politician,

has now been fired for the third time. This is really quite extraordinary. He got knighted after the first two sackings. So presumably he'll now be elevated to the House of Lords. The services to being useless to the country. Telegraph reporting tonight that Williamson met Richard Sunak face-to-face in number 10 tonight, offered his resignation rather than be sacked out right.

Yeah, you were fired, mate, again. And you were fired because you're a nasty piece of work as well as being useless. And the combo is not great if you're going to be trying to restore some pride into the country. Richard Thais, another day, another scandal. And I'm sorry, I've got a little sympathy for Rishi Sunnaki. He should never have brought him back. Completely. I mean, he's...

This guy, Gavin Williamson, I actually can't call him by the title that he's gone. No, he shouldn't have Sir Gavin. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. But he was useless once and fired, useless twice and fired, then given a title out of sync with normal process for reasons we don't understand and haven't been informed. And now he's been fired again

for very serious, saying he wants to slip the throats of his political enemies. Allegations. And I just think, what on earth did Sunak think he was doing? Apparently he was told of these text allegations and complaints before he appointed him. You have to wonder, what is it that Gavin Williamson had on Boris to be knighted and had on Sunak

to be reported for the cabinet? And he's probably got stuff on all of them. Apparently, he used to often wield that threat. Now, Paula Rone Adrian, this, story coming when it does, as Kate McCann said, you couldn't be worse timing for Rishi Sudak for his new government, for the brave new world of purity and calmness after all the drama and scandal.

He's right back in it. He's right back in it. And this is a problem for Rishi. He told us that he was different, didn't he? That was his very clear message when he came and he said, I'm going to be different. I'm all about bringing integrity back to this job. And then within seconds, what we have is Boris Johnson with Pinched by name, Pinched by Nature.

And now we have Rishi Sunak with Gavin Williamson. And we've been told... You've actually forgotten the lettuce, Liz Truss. Well... She was there for such a short period of time. Talk about scandal. She tanked the pound. She sent interest rates soaring.

She bankrupted probably millions of families. And she's gone in 44 days. And now we have this. And we have Suella. Sue Lennon. Who is there? Cuella, they're now calling you. Who is there?

Just hovering, hovering. Why is she there? Why did he bring her back? And that's not going to go away. Well, we know why, don't we, Richard? I mean, this was all part of the big tent, bringing in people that you need to bring in for political expediency,

and also from all parts of the party. Which is good leadership if you're trying to unify people, particularly after a turbulent time. But they've got to be the right people. Of course, they've got to be the right people. You've got to make the right judgments. And you can't stand on a platform with integrity and then do a complete U-turn on something

you campaigned on, i. Shale gas fracking, and then ditch it. So he lied, just like he ditched Boris Johnson for lying. So that was appalling. And now he's been sussed for his ridiculous appointment of an utter failure. I wouldn't trust Gavin Williamson, literally to run a sweet shop without expecting him to eat half the sweets

and throw the others if they were hard-boiled at people standing next to him. Is that kind of guy? Right? He takes pride in being a vile bees of work. But as a journalist, aren't you waiting for the Gavin William tapes? That must be. Because I'm sorry. Well, he's talking to justify the indefensible.

I'll keep you out of that, Richard. But the reality about Gavin Williamson is he was always over-promoted. And you've got to think that he's got so much dirt on these people from him. Because the chief whip soak up all the dirt on everybody. That's their job, right? But if you get sacked once, you might just get given another chance. But if you get sacked twice, why on earth would you give someone another chance and reappoint them to the camera? I'm expecting him now to announce a book deal and go to the jungle as the new member of the jungle to replace the one that bailed.

I mean, he's got his whip, Williamson with his whip. And his torrential. And his torrential. I'm about to talk to, I'm going to talk to Ben Ferguson in America about the American midterm elections. Crucially important tonight. Before he go to him, I'll go to bed. He's looking at a smug face. He's the cat that's got the cream because he knows that red wave is coming.

Look at him. Before we get to you, Ferguson, I'm going to just get a quick take on this from you two. The significance of this being probably if a lot of Donald Trump's picks that he's helped promote up the ladder for this midterm election, if they do well, he's going to come out, he's already said next Tuesday, Murrah Lago, I'm running. All singing, all dancing, he'll announce he's running, and in a sense that completely kiboshes the chances of anybody else who might want to run. because he will say the people want me, I'm the success story, and I think it will make it impossible. The problem for the Democrats is they've been useless. Joe Biden looks like he's literally half dead. I'm sorry to say that, but he does.

And Camilla Harris' number two is completely ineffectual. The problem is the 6th of January, which I cannot believe anyone in America has forgotten about. That is the problem, and that is what Trump will never be able to get over. Thank you to you two. Let's bring in Ben Ferguson. Ben, I can understand why you're looking so smug, because I do think that the red wave is coming.

And the Republicans, I think they're going to take back, not just the House, but also the Senate. Yeah. Look, I think you're probably going to see it 53, maybe even 54. Senators that are Republican at the end of the night tonight. And I think the messaging for conservatives was really smart. They talked the issues. And even Democrats' strategies I've talked to over the last couple of days.

said, look, they screwed it up. This White House did not listen to the voters. Democrats didn't listen to the voters. They tried to make this election about Roe v. Wade. People were caring about the economy. They were caring about inflation. They were caring about high gas prices. And when you just don't listen to voters, you get your A.W.S. kicked on election day, and that's what's going to happen to a lot of Democrats. Okay. The one thing about all this is that Trump clearly is going to run again and you would think he may have a free run to becoming the nominee and then a very good chance of becoming president again, which would have been an extraordinary comeback. Obviously, he's got the legal issues, but he might feel this gives him a bit of a protective shield if he

becomes a nominee. But what about Ron DeSantis, the governor of Florida, who I think has been a rising star on the party for quite a while now? Trump has come out tonight on Fox News and said, I don't know if he's running about DeSantis. I think he could really hurt himself badly. I could tell you things about him that won't be very flattering. I know more. More about him than anybody other than perhaps his wife. Any of that stuff is not good. And he called him Ron DeSanctimonious last week. He's goading DeSantis.

And DeSantis has shown no sign when anybody else has come after him are backing down. Are we going to see the big battle finally that people will be waiting for, Trump v. DeSantis, for the soul of the Republicans? Look, you know that DeSantis is looking at this. He's been obviously playing it very smart in Florida. He's very popular nation. wide. And I think there's two things here that Donald Trump, and this is me just talking as a political consultant with that hat on, he is worried that DeSantis gets in and then something happens.

If DeSantis gets in, peers, the floodgates open and you will see a lot of different people that will jump in. There's people talking about Cari Lake. There's people that are talking about the new faces in the party from this election. And you'll have others that I think clearly are going to look at this as well. It's only going to take one. Is your money on Trump not only running, but winning the nomination and the White House again? Look, I think if you put him on a debate stage with a bunch of other Republicans, it is going to change that race dynamically. The question is, if you run against Donald Trump and you beat him, can you get his supporters who will be angry at you to actually coalesce around you as a nominee? And that's going to be the trickiest part for anybody that challenged him.

Because look, this guy filled stadiums. He's still a rock star. He's still the most charismatic guy in the whole field, probably in world politics. Ben Ferguson, good to see you. I know it's a happy time for you. I'm sure we'll talk to you again later in the week, perhaps, when all this may or may not have happened. But I appreciate you joining me. Thank you very much.

Well, lots of protests are really annoying me at the moment, but this one I'm completely in favor of. She's naked, painted, I hear some to add, and will be taking me under her wing. The Bird Woman will be live to explain why she's doing this, and I'll be saying why I support her. Well, this show is called uncensored, and this is as uncensored as it gets. I've had harsh words of militant eco-warriers blocking roads and gluing themselves to prices art. In my view, they're incredibly irritating and alienate any public support. However, I'd no such complaints about my next guest, who marched naked through London, painted in feathers to protest a decline in birds.

As I said at the time, I'm definitely in favour of more birds. Well, bird girl, Hannah-born-Taylor joins me now. Hannah, welcome to the programme. Thank you. You are the most uncensored person I've had on this. the show. Ruffling some feathers. Why aren't you naked, Pierce? Well, I did hear your challenge, but I didn't think the public were quite ready for that. Tell me very quickly, what is your protest about? So the feather speech campaign is science and artists coming together to try to

use common sense to save these amazing birds, Swifts and three other red-listed species facing national extinction, simple solution with the petition, but it needs 100,000 signatures. And what's the answer? The answer is, we can all help these birds by putting swift bricks in new houses, which is why I have a petition, which is why I want you to sign it, because you can save the birds. But also individual people can help these birds. Because the RSP be fully supportive of this. They think you're doing a good thing. And is it easy for people to have brickwork, which allows for these nests for the swifts and so on to exist? Yes, the problem is we're actually blocking their holes up naturally. So we could stop doing that. That would be great. And for new houses, we could put these little really easy bricks in. And hey, presto, win-win, humans, closest wild neighbours, they don't die out.

They're amazing. Now, you're on national television right now. Yeah. Barely wearing a stitch of clothing. This is mostly paint. I really love the birds. Honestly, I really do. This takes guts to do this, right?

Yeah, I'm pretty nervous right now, Peter, to be honest. What are you thinking as you stand there? I'm thinking, I'm doing this for the birds. I can be public, ridiculed, judged, whatever, but I'm actually doing it for the birds. I'm desperate for them. What reaction have you had from people to... Mixed.

People are saying, I'm brave. I'm not. I'm desperate. People are saying I'm stupid. Fine. I'm ridiculous. but I'm actually just trying to get this voice for the birds because they can't speak.

I am prepared. I did go sort of naked once for a commercial and I'm prepared to go back to this look. Have you seen this? All right, Piers, we've got two minutes. What do you think? I think more feathers and we're on to something. You could really help.

You've got 8 million followers on Twitter. I need 100,000 signatures to get this, debate, to them. I've got like 5,000, nothing. I'm going to get those numbers up because I actually think it's a good cause. We don't want the swift to go out of... What are the other birds? Starlings, House Sparrows, House Martins.

Swiffs, they fly more time in the air than any other bird. They come back to our houses. One epic thing. And no problem with the tits? No problem with the tits. No, tits aren't really involved in this, apart from... Ironic. Yeah, ironic.

Yeah. Yeah. But it's mainly Swiss... Swift's house sparrows are most... I love house sparrows. And people think they're ordinary in common. They're not. They're on the red list.

They're facing national extinction with 70 British birds. That's a lot, here. How do people sign the petition? They go on hannaborn-Taylor.com. They go on your Twitter. Yes. They go on my Twitter. I'm going to post it. Sign a petition. The least we can do for this lady.

For a peaceful protest, you're not daubing graffiti anywhere. You're not chucking soup on bang goffs. You're just doing this. You're coming on Pierce Morgan uncensored, as uncensored as any guest has ever been. I applaud the, I think, the bravery of what you're doing. And I'm going to, is it this? Yeah. Pretend to be a swift.

Thank you. That's it from us. Keep it uncensored. Good night.