Piers Morgan Uncensored - Piers Morgan Uncensored: Harry, The Interview that Rocked the World

Episode Date: January 10, 2023

Piers is back and uncovering everything from not just Prince Harry's autobiography, 'Spare' but also the interview that has rocked the world. Joining Piers to discuss the fallout and reaction to this astounding interview includes Sharon Osbourne, Royal Commentator Katie Nicholl, Trisha Goddard, Princess Diana's former butler Paul Burrell and Martin Luther King's niece Alveda King. Watch Piers Morgan Uncensored at 8 pm on TalkTV on Sky 522, Virgin Media 606, Freeview 237 and Freesat 217. Listen on DAB+ and the app.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I love my father, I love my brother, I love my family. I always do. Nothing of what I've done in this book or otherwise has ever been any intention to harm them or hurt them. Oh, shut up. What a ridiculous thing to say. Every single word of this book is designed to harm and hurt his family. I've just spent four hours reading this trash-a-thon today. It is unbelievable how much information Harry now reveals in the most intrusive invasion of

Royal Privacy ever, and it's him, the Prince of Privacy. The guy has whanged on about it for decades, it seems. How dare you invade my family's privacy? When I want to do it for millions, it is breathtaking. Tonight on Pierce Morgan on Center 8, it's good to be back. But Prince Harry stuns the Royals with, like I say, the most extraordinarily intrusive private revelations and personal attacks, condemning the Queen Consul, Comilla, calling his father a useless,

father boasting about Taliban kills, which no decent member of the armed forces ever does. No detail is spared here. Even reveals that William has been circumcised. Quite extraordinary, isn't it? What does this mean for the future of the British monarchy? Well, Harry and Megan shocking claims of racism rocked the royal family. Now, Harry says, it was all just a terrible misunderstanding. So will they apologize?

will they hand back their human rights award? In the Oprah interview, you accuse members of your family of racism. You don't even... Well... The British press said that. Right. Yeah, it wasn't the British press that said that. It was your wife, Megan Markle.

You remember her? She's the one that said the Royals have been racist about the skin color of your unborn baby. And you agreed. I said it would be terribly damaging if you ever revealed who had done that. Well, that's Harry's crusade. gets top billing in Blockbuster TV interviews

on both sides of the Atlantic. How much damage has he done to the monarchy and to Britain, or is it maybe his own reputation that's now beyond repair? Live from London, this is Pearz Morgan Unsensored. Well, good evening from London. Welcome to Pierce Morgan Unsensored. I took two weeks off, and all hell broke loose.

But as usual, most of the hell is coming from Prince Harry's mouth. He moved to California, rocking the foundations of the... British monarchy. It was about three years ago, they quit now. Seems like forever, doesn't it? The claims he's made this week have detonated a bomb, but this weapons-grade hypocrite has done nothing more than reduce his own reputation to rubble. And after torching what's left on the bridges back to his family, he now begins a new personal journey, we're told, one that ends with ridicule and irrelevance. The Prince who fled Britain to protect his family's

privacy has laid bare every tawdry detail of his private life from drugs, from drugs, and drug abuse to intimate conversation with his father the king, even at Prince Philip's funeral. The dad who fears for the security of his family, apparently, has put a target on their backs now and on the backs of the royal family and on his former military colleagues with his stupid boasts about killing 25 Taliban, as he calls them chess pieces. And the be-kind ambassador so earnestly invested in women's rights brags about mocking a disabled matron at his prep school. He names her. She's called Pat. He said she was greasy and too ugly for him to feel horny. Think about that woman tonight having to deal with that in what will be one of the biggest

red books of the year. How does she feel if she's still around? I don't know. How do her family feel about that? He also exposes how he lost his virginity. He says he mounted some woman behind a pub and she spanked him on his ass. Did he check that terminology with Megan Markle? Hasn't she just literally done a podcast series? trying to eliminate sexist terminology from men. Dear Harry. The discard his son, who just wants private clear-the-air talks with his family. If only he wasn't scared, they'd be leaked,

has now leaked everything. And I mean everything. I read it all today. It is mind-blowing. Most outrageously of all, Harry and Megan, allowed claims to swirl about racism in the royal family for almost two years. They made a six-hour documentary about it.

They accepted a human rights or one. last month for fighting structural racism in the royal family, all based on what they told Oprah Winfrey. But now Harry's decided that apparently that's not what they meant at all. In the Oprah interview, you accuse members of your family of racism. You don't even... The British press said that.

Right. Did Meghan ever mention their racist? She said there were troubling comments about... There was concern about his skin... in colour. Right. Wouldn't you describe that as essentially racist? I wouldn't not having lived within that family. The way the British press reacted to that was fairly typical. Neither of us believe that that comment or that experience or that opinion was based in racism.

I would like to apologise on behalf of the British press actually because he is an unbelievable village idiot and I think it's all our fault. Honestly, it's a lot of. It's a lot of not the fact that he was useless at school and got no qualifications, which is why he's doing all this stupid stuff. It's the British press is full. We're responsible for everything, including his ginger hair, and I'd like to apologise for giving him ginger hair. It's awful. We should never have done it. But let me get this straight on a serious point. The racist British press blamed for six hours straight of that Netflix bilge for hounding Megan out of our racist country, driven at the top by a racist royal family.

Apparently, it's the press that's to blame for saying that Megam Markle's claims of racism were claims of racism. Now, this had consequences, what they said to Oprah Winfrey. I was forced out of my last job presenting Good Morning Britain, a job I really enjoyed, because I said I didn't believe these claims without firm evidence.

There wasn't any. And now we get told it wasn't racism. Exactly is what I suspected at the time. Do I get an apology? Does Sharon Osborne, one of my guests tonight? Does she get restored to her job at the CBS show at talk? Because she got fired for offering support on Twitter for my right to my opinion because apparently I'd said racist things.

It turned out those racist things were not believing Mega Markle's racism claims. Now they say they didn't mean racism. Did does Sharon get her job back? Will they give back that award that they got for the heroic battle against structural racism in the royal family? Now we know there was no racism, structural or otherwise. Across three new interviews of 416 whining pages

of his book, Spare Me, as I call it. Harry Lambast, the British Press and his family for colluding with the British press. His bitterness and bile for Camilla, the Queen Consort, is shocking. This is the love of his father's life, who he brands a dangerous villain. How was she dangerous? Because of the need for her to rehabilitate her image. That made her dangerous.

That made her dangerous because of the connections that she was forging within the British press. And there was open willingness on both sides to trade of information. And with a family built on hierarchy and with her on the way to being Queen Consort, there was going to be people or bodies left in the street because of that. Bodies left in the street. There's a guy who boasted about killing 25 Taliban. Actual bodies he left in the street. And then boasted about it, which has now enraged the entire Muslim world.

But Camilla was apparently dangerous because she forged relationships with the media, says the man who's pocketed over $100 million by forging relationships with media entities like Netflix, Spotify, Oprah Winfrey, James Corden, CBS, ABC, and so it goes on. He says his brother, the Prince of Wales, attacked him because he was riled by reading stories and metabolites,

but also that his brother placed those stories and metabolites himself. He slams a memoir by Dinah's butler, Paul Burrell, as one man's self-justifying, self-centering version of events. My God, the irony of this! From a man who's literally just produced the single most self-justifying, centering, self-centering version of events imaginable. And if we want any more evidence of Harry's complete loss of self-awareness, an utter delusion, it's surely in that claim that the book was never intended

to do any harm or hurt to his family. You said, you want your father and brother back. Do you think that this book is going to bring them back, or are they going to further divide you? I have thought about it long and hard, and as far as I see it, the divide couldn't be greater before this book. I genuinely believe

that if me and my family can reconcile can put our differences behind us, but first there needs to be conversation and accountability. And if that doesn't happen, then that's very sad. Compensation and accountability. Is that a joke? Is that a joke? You're the one doing all the attacking.

You're the bully. You're the one trashing your family in public, not the family that stayed silent throughout this onslaught has been going on now for several years. What's sad, Harry, is your public self-destruction and the remorseless way you've savaged your own loved ones to airbrush yourself. Please don't make my final days a misery,

King Charles said to Harry after Prince Philip's memorial. We know that because Harry's told us. He's revealed that most excrucied. the appreciatingly private conversation with his father, our new king. Imagine what he would have said if a tabloid newspaper had revealed that conversation. It's disgusting! How dare you invade my family's privacy? This proves what I say about you all.

You're revolting. Yeah. Maybe. But what does it make you? Now, you've done exactly the same thing that you've been ranting about for years. Harry and Megan, let's be clear, have sold their royal souls for a life as a reality. charity stars, trading every private cough and splutter for cash. The Royal Family has said nothing about this volley of abuse.

It's maintained a dignified silence, which I think is a correct response. Because without the Royal Gravitars, without the titles, Harry and Megan, well, what are they? They're just another version of the Kardashians. They've gone for broke with this latest installment of The Only Way is Sussex, but we might finally be closing in, hopefully, on the final episode. Well, joining me in the studio as Talk TV presenters, Sharon Osborne, Fantasy Fair Royal, other than Katie Nicholl from New York. Talk TV's Trisha Goddard and Princess Dinah's former butler Paul Burrell.

So a stellar lineup to discuss all this. Paul Burrell, let me start with you. You, like most people, get a kicking in the book. He dismisses you as self-serving, writing a book just to put one side of the point of view. I mean, I had to laugh when I read that. This is by a guy who's literally just done exactly that. Yes. But, Pear, you know.

my story. At the time, I was being trashed by everyone, and I went to the highest court in the land. I had to survive. I had to feed my family. Everything I had was taken away from me. Harry is in a totally different position. He's an angry, petulant, privileged prince who constantly blames others with no accountability on his part. His mother would be absolutely appalled by... Don't only understand He's undermining his country, his family, the institution, which is the monarchy, which his mother was very proud of. It beggars belief. I don't recognise the young man that I grew up with. I don't recognise that man anymore.

I just don't know what's happened to him. I think he's lost the plot completely appears. This book shouldn't be called Sparry. It should be called blame because he's blaming everybody else but himself. Yeah, I completely agree. and also I've never seen an unhappier-looking person who constantly tells us how happy he is. This is not a happy man.

He's bitter, bitter, bitter. And there seems to be no end to the bitterness. No, and you have to remember, our dear late queen had to suffer this too before she died because she also watched the Oprah Winfrey interview and thought, what on earth is happening here? Why didn't Harry come and talk to me about this? So she went to her grave, actually not knowing the truth, with great distress which Harry compounded in her final days of her life.

Well, I honestly think the Queen will be turning in her grave, reading all this stuff and reading the fallout. Because not only did that Oprah Winfrey interview air literally a couple of days after Philip was taken to hospital, and as we later know, died within several months. but the book has now come out within three months of the Queen dying. And there is his response to the death of our great monarch is within three months to do a book which causes severe damage to the institution that she represented so magnificently for over 70 years.

I totally agree. And, Piers, you remember those boys growing up, you saw them grow up. You came to Kansas de Palace. Now, in those days, Diana always had the final world. So I'm going to leave you with my words, which I think Diana would be saying right now. She'd be saying to Harry, jumping up and down, wanted to be noticed. Shh, Harry, be quiet. Yeah, you do wonder who on earth is having that conversation with him.

Well, it's got to Tricia Goddard. So, Tricia, you know, you were there on Good Morning Britain. On the day the morning after the Oprah Winfrey interview air, we had a pretty lively series of exchanges on that show. As you know, I left Good Morning Britain the next day because I was asked to apologize for disbelieving her claims of racism. I said I wanted to see evidence of this so-called racism. We now learn from Harry's own mouth that they did not call the royal family racist after all. So I'm not quite sure why I had to leave my job.

Are you? Yes. Well, go on. Why? Because they actually didn't use the words racist. Oh, please. And would you like me to finish? No, I'll tell you what I want to do, Trisha. Before you go any further, I want to play you what they said on Oprah.

Then you can repeat what you've just said. Let's watch this. And also concerns and conversations about how dark his skin might be when he's born. What? About how dark your baby is going to be? potentially and what that would mean or look like. What was that conversation? That conversation I'm never going to share.

But at the time, at the time it was awkward, I was a bit shocked. Yeah, and the end of that first clip with Megan Markles, it goes on to say that if the baby was too dark, that would be a problem. Yes, you may think that. So that, I'm afraid, Tricia, that is racism. Hang on, just a minute. The charge is, let me finish my question. The charge was racism against the royal family.

At the time, they produced no evidence. Her version of events was nearly two years after Harry's timeline when this happened. They've never named the royal member who said this stuff. And now we get told casually it's not racism. All right. Can you just play that again? Because there must be something wrong at my line. I didn't hear either Harry or Megam use the word racism.

I heard you use it. I saw the press use it. I didn't actually hear them use the word. And that's what, when we had that a robust exchange of words, I think what I said to you is that I do get fed up with other people labelling white people, labelling what is and isn't racist to black people. Now, if they'd actually use the word racism, I would be agreeing. Honestly, this is utterly ridiculous.

So what is racism? She was asked by, I'll tell you what racism is. I'll tell you what racism is. Oh, good. Hang on. Just, I know I'm white. Let me get comfortable. I know I'm white. I know I'm white.

I know. I'm white. Piers Morgan's about to lecture a black woman about racism. Tell me what's racism. I'm about to give you an example of racism as a middle-aged white man, who I know is the enemy to you. Because you know. Let me tell you what an example of racism is. An example of racism would be somebody expressing concern about the skin color of a baby from a mixed-race marriage.

And when the interviewer then says, what, if it was darker, that would be a problem. Yes, you may think that. That is an example of somebody expressing racism. And that became the headline and narrative for the next two years after that interview. And for you to shamelessly sit there and pretend that wasn't what they meant is utter bilge. If there were more black people in the media, in the tabloid media, they may have had the opportunity to look into that and explain it a little bit more. I didn't see it as racism.

I saw it and that's why I got cross when you decided to label it lazy. I didn't decide to do anything. I, well, in that, when we were having that exchange. They literally confirmed to Oprah Winfrey that a member of the royal family and expressed concern about the skin color of their baby. And if the baby's skin color was too dark, That would be a problem. When a black person attempts to talk about this in other than headline news,

when I'm trying to have a reasoned conversation, I get shouted over, why is my experience or what black people experience? Why do we have no currency? Am I not allowed to explain? They've literally had front-page headlines about the racist royal family for two years. How much more currency does Megamarkle won? No one has called the royal family race.

I mean, I would say it's built on, built on the Commonwealth, and we already know Charles has had problems. They've talked about the crown that Camilla may or may not use because the history of one of the diamonds, the Coenor diamonds and what have you. We know that the royalty and many royal families around the world were built on the backs of slavery, racism, Commonwealth countries having good stolen or taken away from it. We know that. Unfortunately, it's not taught in school. Sorry, that's got nothing to do. Sorry, yeah, but with respect, Patricia, that has nothing to do. The history is racist. You can't just speak endlessly without me jumping in. Sorry.

With great respect to you, you can't just keep talking. I'm allowed to ask questions. It's an interview. Right. My question for you is... Yes, you are, but you're not allowed to make statements without listening to what somebody says. Yeah, Megan Markle made a direct charge supported by her husband that a member of the royal family had expressed concern about the potential skin color of their baby, which if it was too dark, would be a problem. That is racism. They made a charge. Yes, that's called racism. If you think that if a baby's too dark, it's a problem, that's called racism. Sorry to have to lecture you about racism. I know I'm not allowed to as a white man, but actually, that is an example of racism. Tell us about my history, tell us about the history of black people and what race. What's that got to do with what they said?

because they didn't say it was racist. Yes, they did. Somebody else used that word. They stepped aside from using that word, I think, very deliberately. Why did they win an award? Tell us about unconscious bias. Tell us about unconscious bias. I'll tell you about unconscious delusion, which is they won an award.

No bias. What does it mean? I do the questions. You do the answering. It's called an interview show. Right. It's before Christmas. They accepted an award for their heroic stand against the structural racism of this royal family

based on what they told Oprah Winfrey. That was all a complete lie. There was no racism we now know. They never meant to say it was racism. You're supporting them. That was never meant to be racism. Queering the colour of a baby from a mixed-race marriage and expressing concern if it was going to be too dark.

It's not racism. Trish, you take me for a complete mug. It couldn't be a clearer example of racism. Why deny that? Oh, really? Yeah. So am I right in thinking that you know better than you, I have no idea of what racism is.

No, I didn't say that. I didn't say that. I said to you very clearly. Sorry, that you are more, you are more learning. What you keep doing, Trisha, what you keep doing, you keep putting words into my mouth, I'm not actually saying, and the viewers aren't stupid. They can hear the conversation.

They didn't use racism. You want people to believe that actually what she said, Megan Markle to Oprah Winfrey, supported by Harry, does not call. constitute racism and I'm afraid everyone watching this will think you are being deliberately either delusional or disingenuous. Which one is it? You haven't explained what you understand by unconscious bias. I'm not quite sure you understand. You're not doing the interview. I am. No, I don't care. Sorry, we've now moved from racism to unconscious bias. I would like to move to

unconscious or conscious delusion because we all know what she said to Oprah Winfrey. We all know that for the last two years, the royal family has been reeling from the charge of being racist because one of their senior members expressed concern over the skin color of their unborn baby and now we get told casually by Harry, clearly feeling a bit

of remorse about what's gone down here because I read the whole book today, this story doesn't appear in the book. This allegation of racism isn't in there. Why? Where is it gone? Why? Nor is the allegation where Megam, Mark, which is the other thing I queried at the time,

before I had to leave the building. I also say, where is the proof that she went to somebody at Buckingham Palace about her suicidal thoughts and was told she couldn't get help? That's not in the book either. Where's that gone? And by the way, what happened to him

at the same time when his brother allegedly attacked him, he called his therapist who was on speed dial. Why couldn't he do that for his wife? Anyway, these are ponderers questions for you to think about, Tricia. I want to come back after the break

with Sharon, and we're going to talk to Sharon about particularly your involvement in all this because you got fired soon after I had to leave the building over what turns out to be non-racism. Talk to you off the break. Welcome back and still with Sharon Osborne and Katie Nichol and joining us is the former Royal Marine Ben McBean

who served in Afghanistan at the same time as Harry and Conservative MP and Chair of the Defence Select Committee Tobias Elwood. And they're going to be talking primarily about Harry's boast that he killed 25 Taliban and called them chess pieces, something which has not only enraged many of his former colleagues in the armed forces,

but has also enraged pretty much the entire Muslim world. And who knows what repercussions may come from that stupid boat. So it still has come tonight. Harry's truth has come a long way, and we'll be talking that in a moment. As first, Sharon, let me just pick up with you because you were directly involved in all this. This goes back to the Oprah Winfrey interview.

And it's absolutely crystal clear in that interview what Megyn Markle was saying, supported by Harry, that someone in the royal family had, expressed concern about the unborn baby skin color. And when probed by Oprah, if the skin color was too dark, that would be a problem. Megyn Marcos says, you may well deduce that, yes, right? That became the biggest story of all these revelations

is that the family is racist. Now we're supposed to believe that's never what they intended. Harry says that, Tricia Goddard says it. There's now a kind of whole revisionist thing going on. But this had real consequences. I didn't believe it at the time, and I had to leave my job but just believing what was being said.

You then had to leave your job. Because I was supporting you. Because he supported my right to free speech. You didn't agree with me. Right? You had to go, what do you feel about this? It's all just craziness going around and around and he's turned his life

and the royal family's life into a soap opera. It's like a really bad distilled. I mean, it's always been a soap opera. I think what's different is, He's always being speculative soap opera, right? You know, part of the thing of the papers, he goes on and on and on in all these interviews and the book, I had to go through all this.

The press are just evil, the devil, he calls them, all this kind of stuff. And yet the press, without the press, there wouldn't be a royal family. Without the press doing predominantly, I remember the coverage of his wedding. Couldn't have been more university praiseworthy. It was beautiful.

He could barely bring himself to even acknowledge that. This guy is so blindly hateful of the... the media, and British press in particular, even though he gets exactly the same coverage in many parts of the world. But when you, I mean, you haven't read the whole thing, I know, but I have. This is, I've never read anyone high profile talk about their family like this. All of them. His dad, I know. I know. His stepmom, his brother, his sister-in-law, the queen's dresser, copse it. And there's a really bad bit in here, which I really disliked, which is very revealing about his character where he trashes the matron at Lovegrove

CREP school who he names as Pat he calls her greasy and ugly didn't make the boys horny right and says that you know just carries on disparaging her she had a disability with her spine which made her she had to walk and he used to mock her mock the way she couldn't walk properly and he boasts about this this is a guy who on his website for Archiewell their foundation

describes as standing for compassion Where's the compassion in any of this? I think that... Well, listen, I'm just hearing you picking up that story and, you know, I was reporting on Harry when he was falling in and out of nightclubs, getting into brawls with paparazzi. I mean, I remember speaking to the mother of one girl

who was dating, who said he really just was impolite, he was rude, he turned up, drunk with sick on him. They didn't want him around their girl, okay? And that was understandable. This is clearly a man who feels that he's gone through metamorphosis, a massive reinvention and has come out on the other side. But what was so interesting I felt about watching the interview with Tom Bradby,

and I think Bradway did a very robust, very good job with him, was when... He didn't mention the Taliban. No, but he brought up the racist allegations as he rightly did. But it was very clear that when Harry was almost steered off into a zone where he wasn't comfortable or he couldn't channel his therapy, speaking, everything else, he looked very uncomfortable. And I want to make just one quick point on these racist allegations,

I think this is very important. When this turned into the biggest race route that this country's been in as long as I can remember... The biggest rules have ever been. the most troubling storm for the royal family. Harry and Meghan came out and made it clear in a subsequent statement that they were not talking about the Queen or Prince Philip because, of course, this witch hunt ensued.

That would have been an ample opportunity who said, and by the way, this wasn't an allegation on charge of racism. It was one of unconscious bias. I think what's happened is he realized too late because there's a report when he tried to get the book withdrawn that actually this was all going too far. I think, I mean, the fact that he hasn't mentioned that in here. the single most explosive revelation isn't in the book,

nor is this supposed thing with the palace denying Megan help for her suicidal thoughts. Two very, very major omission. Well, they were the two biggest bombshells. Neither were in his book of his life. Let me bring him Ben. You fantastic service to your country as a Royal Marine and you were severely wounded in the process.

Thank you, first of all, for your amazing service. And it's great to see you. You know, Harry, you know, you've... alongside him in Afghanistan. What do you make of this? In particular, the boasting about killing 25 Taliban. Yeah, I wasn't with Harry in Afghanistan. I was in a whole different area.

You were out there. You're out, I am. The 25 body count thing, it's just, it was obviously him in context telling the story and he mentioned a number. But I think he could have told the story very easily without mentioning that number. I don't think it was boasting.

But at the same time... If you say it and give a number to it, aren't you just boasting? I mean, whichever way you try and describe it. He's just literally saying what he's done, which was his job, and thank God, because that was why we were able to get out of there kind of thing, because we called him and they helped us out. But I don't think mention that number was wise.

Would you ever do that? No. I mean, the difference is if I killed 10,000 men, no one cares, but if he killed one, everyone cares. So it's not wise for him to mention it. It's a bit like poking a bear as he walked past. There's no point in that's not doing any favors. So I don't think he's boasting it,

but I think he could have easier said what he said without, mention that number, which was 10 years old. And on the specific racism thing, was your understanding, just as a member of the public, did you watch the Opa interview? Not a lot of it. You saw the clips and stuff. Was your impression that they were saying that someone had been racist about the skin color of their child?

I'll be honest, it did come across that way a bit. And then obviously when the media jumped in it, I didn't think, oh, I wonder who was racist? Because it did kind of come across that way. The thing is, just in my opinion, it's almost like, you know, you go to like a comedy show and the comedian says a joke that you don't like, and you're offended by it. You can say that you're offended, but the comedian doesn't have to care. So you just kind of get mad kind of thing. It seems like that's like with his family, like, he's obviously not happy with certain things.

And he might have said it to them and they may not, they don't have to care, they don't have to respond or apologize because his feelings get hurt. So then he's kind of moved away, it's supposed to be happy in America, but he's not clearly. He's not happy, is it? No, so then he's kind of attacking his family by reviewing everything, waiting for like an apology, but you're not going to get one. I just think everyone defending him. I just think if it was their family and someone was going on television

because they had some kind of profile and was just doing this endlessly trashing the family, all of them. I mean, you know, I think most people would cut that person off. I still think Harry's great. I think a lot of troops do. You can't take away what he's done for this country more than most. No, no, you can't.

But yes, he's fell out of his family, but we don't need to now see all of this because it's your family at the end of the day. I just think even though I love Harry's great guy from what I know and what I've seen, I don't have to support every move that he makes, including this one, because it's not very nice to him. And I think that's very honest, and I think you're quite right.

I don't denigrate his service. My brother-in-law trained him at Sandhurst, who was a colonel in charge of William and Harry their training there. So they were both very good young soldiers. I've never denigrated that at all. Let's bring in Tobias Elwood, the Conservative MP and Chair of the Defence Select Committee

You've actually worked with Harry on the Invictors Games, which again is an incredibly admirable thing, the Invictors Games, and I've always completely supported it. But when he said this stuff about the Taliban, you can see from the reaction already around the Muslim world, the way it's been now latched onto by a lot of Islamic fundamentalists and preachers and so on, this is going to potentially cause huge security problems,

not least I would think, at an event like the Invictus Games. Yeah, I think you're right. First of you just wanted to stress the important relationship there is between our monarchy. It goes back millennia, in fact. We saw that at the funeral for the queen, and indeed we'll see that in the coronation for the king coming up. That's a powerful bond between all of our armed forces, the three services. And I pay tribute to anybody, your brother and so forth, Ben, who's there in the studio with you,

anybody that steps forward to represent their country and wear the uniform. That includes Prince Harry. He did two tours of Afghanistan. And you're right, this huge legacy. The big thing that he created, the Invictus Graeme, has been quite incredible. But I think he was ill-advised to talk about a kill count.

We argue that we have the most professional armed forces in the world. That's absolutely right. That's not just because of our combat effectiveness. It's also how we conduct ourselves in the aftermath of battle, following the Geneva Convention, following the rules of engagements, how we deal with the prisoners of war, how we deal with the injured, who were actually served in Camp Bastion as well,

in the hospital there next to the British comrades, and indeed how we deal with the dead as well. We don't go and join the armed forces to kill people. We go there to defend, we go there to uphold democracy and the rule of law. A byproduct of that is the occasional necessity use of lethal force. So for the reasons, as you've pointed out, I think this has caused difficulties, not least where we've left. We've ceded this back to the very people we went into the defeat, the Taliban themselves.

We have 40 million Afghans that we still need to have a relationship with. We've got the Halo Trust, for example, a fantastic charity that's doing mind clearance there. All these organisations still have to work, have a relationship with the Taliban. My worry is that extremists will take... I would say that what he's said here and the way he's expressed himself, calling them chess pieces, saying he killed 25 and so on, as a senior member of the royal family, which he remains, I think that has, I mean, the irony of this,

he has gone on about security and protection for his family, never mind anybody else for the last two years, arguing he should have more protection. How does this kind of statement in a book do anything but put his own family at more risk? It also puts the royal family, in totality, I would say, at more risk, from any lunatic fundamentalist

who wants to exact some kind of revenge for what he's saying. the Invictors Games and events like it might become targets. His own military, you know, he might still have friends in the military. You know, they are now walking around with a bigger target on the back because a senior member of the royal family has come out boasting about killing the Taliban and how many he killed and dehumanize him as chess pieces. Yeah.

I think it would be wise for Prince Harry to provide clarification as to what he meant there. You read the wider passage. It's the only bit of the book that I've... read. He clearly understands what his mission was, the bigger picture as well, what he was fighting for. But those particular lines, I understand it was written, the book by a ghostwriter, it was put in there to sensationalise. And as you've articulated, this can have serious ramifications, not least, for the Invictus Games, which I stress. It was a pleasure to work with Prince Harry in Toronto and indeed in

Sydney, Sydney, an important aspect of rehabilitation of those who have served are serving, but have been injured or somehow, you know, need to be rehabilitated. I hope that continues. I hope this will not affect that important creation that Prince Harry can be very proud of. Tobias Elba, thank you very much. Sharon, before we go to the break, just, there's a coronation coming up in May. A coronation where King Charles will be coronated. Harry said he was a terrible father, couldn't handle being a single parent father at all,

you know, constant sniping at him in the book. He absolutely trashes Camilla as a dangerous villain. He's getting crowned as well as the Queen consort. She's a stepmother. And he won't give a clear, no, I'm not going to go. And the palace haven't said he won't be invited. I can't imagine in what world these two, Megan and Harry think they're going to waltz in to the... Westminster Abbey, is it?

To watch a coronation of two people. They're just trashed in a book. There will be an invitation. I'm quite sure to the coronation because actually, in this situation, Charles has to be magnanimous. In last night's interview, Harry spoke. about the need for the royal family to be unified. And Charles knows that. This rift at the heart of the husband is hugely damaging.

I wouldn't trust them, not to then do another book, another series. But you know what? I think, honestly, if he comes to this country in the next few months, I think he'll be booed. He was booed last time. Well, he was. I mean, a little bit, he was. Even by Harry's brass neck standards,

walking into the scene of the coronation of two people, one in particular, your father's wife, the queen consul, who's about to be ground. Wicked woman. I mean, to me, it's unconscionable. You'd have the brass neck to do it. I think it's possible that they can go and it can be orchestrated in such a way, as was the platinum jubilee celebrations where they were there. Far away from his brother.

I don't think they should be anywhere near it. I think, and I don't think they should be allowed to have their royal titles anymore. Bang, done. You want to do this? You want to do this, Harry? You don't get to keep the dukedom. That goes. Everything goes.

Anyway, more importantly, Ben, thank you. Great to see you. Appreciate your service to your country. Proper hero, this man. Good to have you on the show. Thank you. Good to be. Well, still to come, frostbitten penises,

ginger nuts and royal birthday wishes. Yeah, there's more of this. Spare me. Welcome back. Joining me are talk to be contributor Esther Cracko and political journalist Ava Santina, plus editor-at-large of The New York Post, Sarah Nathan and Dr. Martin Luther King's niece, Aveda King.

Well, welcome to all of him. What a stellar lineup. How are you all? Happy New Year, before we get any further. Let me start with Alveda King, if I may. Alveda, we now learn today from Prince Harry's interview with ITV, actually, that there was never any intention in that Oprah Winfrey interview to suggest that the royal family had been racist.

Now, am I living in Cloud Cuckoo Land, or did I hear actually the complete opposite in that Oprah Winfrey interview? I think you heard exactly what you heard, And we've had this conversation about race before. So the big problem is it seems that so England had had a British queen before that was part African. Her name was Beatrice. Now, the other point, there's one race, the human race. So there's no biracial or mixed race.

There's just human beings. That's a scientific fact and a spiritual fact. So everybody needs to come off of this arguing about the race issue. And so if somebody wanted to know what complexion the baby would be, it would be pretty. That's the name of the complexion. It doesn't matter the skin hue because there's one human race. No, but okay. Okay, but Alvina, let me just interrupt you heard.

And say, my specific question is, when Oprah Winfrey pushed Megan Markle to say, was their concern about the color of your unborn baby skin with a suggestion that if it was too dark, that would be a problem? And she agreed that surely is a charge of racism. It's nothing else, right? It is a charge of racism. racism. And so I think Harry and Megan need to read how to win friends and influence people.

I wrote my own story many years ago and showed it to my family first and my friends. And they said, you can't write that. I said, it's true. Well, you can't write it. So I had God encounters and therapy and relaxed and breathing exercises. And then I wrote a book called King Rules that became a bestseller. So Harry and Megan are traumatized. They need to be healed. I'm untramatized by Harry and Megan. You can see it. That's trauma. I'm sorry. Well, you need to be healed too, I guess.

They've got no right to be traumatized. They're the ones doing all the attacking and bullying for two years now. Hurt people do hurtful things. They're not hurt. They're making hundreds of millions of dollars. Well, money doesn't solve paid. Clearly. Clearly, because Harry still.

Yeah, but Elvita, clearly it doesn't because Harry still looks utterly miserable. Let me go to Sarah, Nathan. What I'm saying is. They'll come back to you in a moment. I'll come back to you. I'll talk to Sarah Nathan about the American anglers. I'm just on a column for the New York Post, basically just taking on Harry the hypocrite, frankly,

this prince of privacy who's now invaded everyone's privacy when it suits him. What is the reaction, though, in America? I keep hearing conflicting reports that people are with them, they're against them, is it mixed? What percentage do you think of Americans are falling for this guff?

I think, hi, by the way. I think what is very interesting is that Americans in general love emotions. They love a redemption. They love opening your guts on national TV, which is what they did on Oprah. And I think they fall for this a lot more than Brits do. And having lived here for 10 years, I can safely say that. But I think what's interesting now is we're starting to see a little turnaround in the feelings about Harry and Megan. the sympathy that a lot of Americans had is slightly dissipating.

What's really interesting is that last week, Jimmy Kimmel did, like, the warring princes, and he had two actors dressed up as, you know, the musician prince, and they were like meant to be William and Harry. And even the bastion of journalism, New York Times this afternoon, are saying, is this enough? Has he gone too far, which you just wouldn't normally hear? Right. I mean, I don't think it'll ever be enough. Let's bring in, Ava and Esther,

I mean, if you're sitting here patiently watching this show. Esther, first of all, I mean, this race thing is not a trivial thing. Yeah. These two branded the royal family racist and gave specific examples, one of which was instantly discounted, that Archie hadn't been made a prince because of his potential skin colour. And the other story now has completely fallen apart with Harry's saying, we didn't intend to suggest it was racist.

Well, yeah, and I think that they're almost gaslighting the British public, because they're saying it's the British tabloids that said it. and that implied it, and then we're all just as if we didn't watch it with our own eyes and ears. And we just went along with it, like we don't have brain cells and we can't see. And look, I said that if someone said that to me, if I had a mixed ratio, they were concerned

about the colour of the scene. Obviously, you can say that's clearly racist. So I'm like, why would you make that statement and then come back and say, oh, actually, but they said it would be hugely damaging to the person who said it if they ever named them. But it's quite clear. But putting aside your natural love of all things royal, but

this actually was a director attack on the royal family, which reverberated around the world, cause a lot of problems, particularly in America, particularly in the Commonwealth, you know, Caribbean countries, a lot of unrest when they went on tour there as a result of this suggestion. There are a bunch of races. Yeah, Hugh, I mean, I don't understand the dial back at all, going back to unconscious bias. I think that is an objectively racist thing to say what that family member allegedly said. I don't know why you dial back.

The other accusation that he's leveled is that Camilla has been in cahoots with the press, has been leaking and smearing stories about Megan and himself. Is he going to dial back on that too? Because that's a really serious allegation as well. And by the way, I've known Camilla a long time. I know her well. She's never once briefed me about anything. I don't believe she ever does that.

It's Harry and Megan who employed a team called Sunshine Something or other, some PR firm in America to spin everything. They got their mate Omid Scobie, or rabies, as I call him, who writes whatever they tell him in his books, right? What's the difference? Well, I don't know. We'll take a break. We'll come back after the break and get more of your frothing,

thoughts, probably my flapping thoughts, and find out what's next? Is there more of this? Can we take any more of it? Spare me? Spare me any more of this? Someone's just tweeting me, the majority of the public are behind Harry and Megan, a wonderful royal couple. That is not true. The majority of the British public are sick of them, and they're not a wonderful royal couple. So thank you for your tweet, but you're completely wrong. Welcome back to a bit. We were just talking about circumcision in the break. something I thought I'd discuss with you two ladies. But we only know this because Harry has revealed that he and William were circumcised. He can reveal what the head he likes from his frostbitten penis to his circumcision,

whatever he wants. But revealing that the heir to the throne is circumcised, I can't think of a more intrusive thing for anyone to do to William than what he's just done as his own brother, the one who rails about media intrusion. I don't know. I don't know about that. I think actually the fight was more intrusive than the circumcision point. I think revealing... I think revealing that you punched your brother up.

I mean, the amount of times that my sister and I got violent with each other. I could cope with my brother. Well, both my brothers, especially my army brother, wants to do a misery book called My Dark Early Years of Pearce Morgan. But I wouldn't mind that. But if he's sort of revealing secret details of my genitalia, I probably would have a problem. If I had a sister and I spoke about her nipple piercing, for instance,

that's far more intrusive than if we got into a fight. I do find the circumcision facts mildly amusing, though. I find it very amusing. Yeah, I mean, look, there's no doubt this is highly entertaining in parts, it's riveting, it's incredibly intrusive. Right, I mean, you just can't believe what you're reading.

This will be a number one bestseller. Good luck to him. He'll make millions. But at what cost? At what cost, he's blown it with his entire family. There's no amount of money in the world that would make me deal with this to my family.

Yeah, but do you not think there's an argument that maybe losing his mother at 12 and let me finish? I know that you're going to get really upset by this. No, there isn't. And in fact, there's one thing to do with this, book, rather than buy it and feather his greedy little nest, do what I'm going to do right now, take spare and chuck it where it belongs in the bin. Take it away, Tim. That's all from us tonight. Thank you. Pack. Whatever you're up to, keep it uncensored and uncircumcised. Good night.