Piers Morgan Uncensored - Piers Morgan Uncensored: in Ukraine Part 2 with the Klitschko brothers

Episode Date: July 26, 2022

On this second special episode of Piers Morgan Uncensored, Piers continues to report from Kyiv, Ukraine and speaks to the Klitschko brothers. Both former world heavyweight boxing champions are now engaged in the fight of their lives to save their country. Watch Piers Morgan Uncensored at 8pm on TalkTV on Sky 526, Virgin Media 627, Freeview 237 and Freesat 217. Listen on DAB+ and app.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm Piers Morgan, uncensored in Kiev, Ukraine. Tonight, I sit down for a one-on-one interview with the two Klitschko brothers, both former World Heavyweight Boxing champions, now engaged in the fight of their lives to save their country. Good evening, I'm Piers Morgan in Kiev, Ukraine, and tonight I speak to two people who perhaps best exemplify the spirit, the fighting spirit, of the people of Ukraine. Vladimir and Vittali Klitschko, both former Worme. world heavyweight boxing champions. Two of the greatest fighters the world has seen.

But they're now involved in a fight for their lives. Vitaly is the mayor of this city, Keev. And he's been leading the resistance here, a resistance which managed to repel the Russians when they first invaded. His brother, Vladimir, has been on the front line, fighting for his country. They're extraordinary people, but you meet so many extraordinary people here in Kiev. They all have that same spirit. They all want to drive out the Russians. They all want to

win this war for their country, for freedom and democracy. And when you walk around Kiev, you get a real sense of what they're fighting for. This is like any other great European democratic city. People walking around, enjoying restaurants, bars, cafes, great iconic monuments, art galleries, and so on. You could be in Paris. You could be in Rome. You could be in London. The difference is that right now, this is a city under threat. Just a few weeks ago, an apartment block was struck by cruise missiles fired by the Russians from the Caspian Sea, perhaps over 1,000 miles away. It killed some people, it wounded some people.

And of course, what that does is it makes the people of Kiev feel tense, feel stressful, feel that perhaps the next time they hear an air raid siren, which go off two or three times a day, then it may be a missile heading for their apartment. So this is no normal city, and these are no normal people. But tonight, I sit down with the Klitschko brothers, and it was one of the most heart-rending and powerful interviews I think I've ever done.

Vladimir Vittali, thank you so much to both of you for seeing me today. It's a great honor to come to Kiev in Ukraine and to see you both here. How tough have the last few months been for both of you? Right now already 150 days. I have a feeling it's one long, long, long day. Non-stop. Challenges. The rescue help to the people selling the life. Take me back to the day that Russia invaded.

Did you think either of you that this would happen? Definitely we have information from. from some sources is happening. The Russians prepare, but we hope it's not happens. We can't realize it's possible. It's actually doesn't accept normal. Nobody can tell, it's not tell. in modern time it's possible to kill the people in value of the price of human lives is

nothing what's extraordinary but i mean is when you come to keve today it seems like a perfectly normal european democratic city with people going about their life and yet just a few months ago the russians were trying to get into keve and take Do you remember that those first few days? I first of all I want to say thank you, Mr. Morgan, that you came here, because not everyone makes this decision, understanding you have to take account that that might be your last trip. You are not safe when you are on the Ukrainian soil due to Russian invasion. Even though they are in the south and the east, Russian military forces and the fights are going on,

but just recently, like yesterday, we could hear the sounds of artillery explosions, see the death, see the destruction, see buildings, residential buildings, residential buildings on fire. civilians, children, teenagers, tortured, dead. They've been on the ground for at least 10 days. You could see it. Those bodies were laying there for a long time. And it's just something that cannot possibly be accepted in your mind because, speaking of myself, I never been in a war.

I never saw so many dead people at once. And then it just makes you feel you are having a bad dream. And that dream takes a long time, even though, as my brother just said, it's like one very long day because there's like so many things are happening. And having current life in the city that seems like, like normal-ish so normal you cannot call because you see the barricades and they see that more military presence and you see the certain energy and the vibe yes and people and just recently the city was empty the city that was filled up with five million people before the war all of a

sudden was empty in March beginning of March empty no cars no people no life and three weeks ago Vittali, Kiev was attacked again with long-range missiles fired by the Russians at the city. This could happen at any moment, I presume. Nobody's safe. No safety feeling for anyone in the Ukrainian territory. Any second, any minute, Russian records can land it in any buildings, and kill everyone. No guarantee. That's why it's risky.

But we're talking about that many times. We see how many civilians died, is dead, killed in this period of time. And Russian explanation, especially operation against military forces, is a liar. We know it's just in our city, destroyed more than,

600 buildings, 220, apartment buildings. We know its whole city, Maripald, destroyed. Siverdansk, Harkiv, Cherkiv, Chernikiv, Boucher, Erpena, Gostomelan, and other cities, is totally destroyed. I know you went to Boucher, but I made, didn't you? Both of us. You both went. And the scenes that you found in Boucher were horrific.

Horrifying. It just... It cannot anyhow possibly, your mind cannot really kind of work through this, because it's just unhuman. For those who've never been in a war, what did you see in Bukta? I can tell you, those images are horrifying. You see flattened car, and with sign-on-it children, flattered. You see bodies in that car, flattened by the tank.

you see people that were on their knee with hands tied behind their back. Teenagers. Teenagers. I don't know how young they were. Shot in the hat, executed. You see bodies all over the place between the houses on the streets

in underground to the houses, everywhere. It's just like enormous amount of death that was silent but it's also shocking with the destruction that

that was all around all around the city of Kiev Vitali you were there too I want to tell to exactly what I tell right now Vladimir this war has sense from Russian side they need

Ukrainian territory but they don't need the population Ukrainian population They don't care how many they kill. And they want to kill everyone. They want to occupy territory. And they want to kill the people.

I'm guilty. It's children, women. We was in butcher, so I never forget these images, this street with bodies. Old woman, grandma, 70 years, more than 70 years old, shoot, killed children, teenager. What kind of people do this? No explanation.

And just one explanation. It's not the war. It's genocide. Yes. And I believe that it's clearly understandable why this war is going the way it's going. I think it's certain rewriting the history. whatever the history is, rewriting the history that the capital of entire former Russia

and all the countries together, starting Kiyos, 1,500 years of the history of the city, and rewriting that it's not Russia won the Second World War, but Soviet Union with allies is England and the United States and it's just in certain ways rewriting that this is our territory that's how Russians call our

Crimea Penisucromia this is our territory but what is the mean our I mean literally they need Ukraine but not the Ukrainians and you could tell that we're just like in the way of the truth

and now it's so obvious the longer this war is going the more clearer is going to be for the world that is so insane to do something in 2022. Insane. Because I would say in a certain way, you possibly could rewrite the history

if it was like 100 years ago. You cannot do it right now. There's a certain way it's a blockchain. Thankfully to globalization. You cannot just delete and erase the history in one part because it's always going to pop up. Too much has been noted. Too much has been seen.

and also learn, even though the free world is still making mistakes, in my opinion, just letting Russia do what they've done before, because there's complete dependence on energy. And that's why silence, stepping back, Malaysian flight was shot, okay, maybe later on we will exactly see how that happens, where the rocket came from, annexation of Penizzo Crimea, that's all right. With the rest, Lugansk and Donetsk, that's all right. So was it?

It's been coming a long time. But no consequences. Sanctions verbally. Consequences. If Russia will invade Ukraine verbally in the beginning. I mean, I had a feeling the free world was just watching and observing like, OK, three days, that's what the bus is out there, the three days, and Ukraine is going to fail. It will end up not well for Russia.

Russian propaganda. You cannot hide the truth for too long. Unsense to next, the Klitschkos talk about life growing up in the Soviet Union and how they learn to love America. There will be people watching this who maybe only know you two from your boxing careers. You were two world heavyweight champions, uniquely, these fighting brothers who conquered the world. Vatali, you never got knocked down in your entire professional career. You're now facing both of you, the fight of your life. You're the mayor of Kiev, this capital city. The Russians have

already tried to attack it once. I'm sure they'll probably try again. You've been actually fighting with the reservists here. Is this the biggest fight of your lives for both of you? I would say, you know, I'm not going to put it, I wouldn't put it on the, so-speak, blanket, you know, on us. It's us, in this case, Ukrainians. We all do someone in the front literally right now and someone give up their life and there are different fronts there are many fronts and to run the city during this war times I don't want to say challenging times war times it is it is complicated as well as everything else in the country and it's us and it's us not to forget not just

us Ukrainians, us Europeans, us so-called free world, us against the evil, evil decision to invade Ukraine, not just invade with new technologies and invade for creation, but destruction that was done on 22nd, 24th of February. But to Fetali, that day they invaded and over the next few days, I know that you were struck by the fact that Ukrainian people, rather than all wanting to run away, the men came to you, older men in the street, and asked you, give me a gun, let me fight for my country. I found that very powerful.

Yeah, I'm very proud to be Ukrainian because the Russians attack, destroyed the cities, and they expect the people will be in panic. the people will be depressed. Instead, them, the people angry and will have a huge will to defend our city, our homes, our families. And democracy and freedom, right? I mean, it's wider than just Ukraine. You're fighting as a country for your own lives,

which you're fighting for global democracy and freedom. The reason of this senseless war, is everyone has to clearly understand. understand the reason of invasion to Ukraine, to occupy Ukraine, our wish to be the part of European family, to build modern European country. The Russians never accept our wish, and Putin want to rebuild Russian and Soviet Empire. Everyone has to clearly understand that. The reason of this senseless war. And we was in the USSR, and we see our future as part of European family, as democratic, free country, Ukraine.

And we're fighting right now for the future for our country, for our children. We don't want to live in the country with no human rights, no press of freedom, no democratic waters, with dictator, authoritarianism. We was in the USSR, and we don't want back to the USSR. When you were younger, your father was a communist. He was also a Soviet pilot. And he loved Leonard Brezhnev,

the leader of the Soviets at the time. Of course. And I know that when he died, you've said that you cried for weeks when the inner Brezhnev died. Because your family was so brought up to believe that this man was so magnificent. But then an interesting thing happened, I think,

Vitale, for you, where you went to America in your late teens and you discovered that all the propaganda about America and the West wasn't what you found. Tell me about that. We grew up in Soviet Union, and propaganda worked so much. In the school, we have a week a couple of lessons about the political lessons. We call that political lessons.

We explain about bad United States, bad Europe, bad the system, and what they want to do it with us. They want the Americans. the whole world want to attack us and want to make the slaves from every one of us and we truly believe that from child

the system made brainwashing for every one of us and yes of course I was small child Brezhnev died and the Brezhne was symbol of our country and I was nine years old and I think is it

Is it? Nobody protects us anymore. And right now the Americans came, I was shocked. And not just me, millions of people in Russia because we was zoned from propaganda. Right now, exactly the same way. Well, I'm going to come to the parallel with now, but when you went to America that you were 18,

what did you discover? Thanks, Perestroika came and I have a chance as sportsman, as sportsmen to fly to the United States. I was 18 years old. I was really surprised. Everything is a liar. I came back to Ukraine. I told to our father.

Father was communist. He truly believed in this system. And told, Father, everything, what we listen is sorry, it's bullshit. These good people, is good gas-friendly people. it's good countries. They have so many products. They have 100 types of cheese. For us, of course, there's something.

We have just one cheese. One, you know what is? We have grown up in a system where we doesn't have so much choice. Did your father believe you? Father told, listen, the Americans make one beautiful city, especially to make a propaganda. It's everyone come and see how beautiful America. America is horrible. Please don't pay attention for that. They try to use you personally as propaganda instrument because you explain to everyone the America is beautiful.

Then you took your father to America. Many many years later, I have a chance we have actually working with HBO in the United States, boxing there. I bring my father, we bring our father to the United States and remind him. You remember we talking about that, father, I don't, I don't expect if we actually, everyone was someone. from the system. But he was a victim, your father, in a way, of the propaganda machine. And now we see the same propaganda that I'm in Russia with Putin, 70% of Russians, genuinely believe he is fighting a just war against Nazis and fascists in Ukraine,

you know, oppressing Russian-speaking people who must be saved. It's the same kind of mentality, brainwashing the people to believe a complete lie. I believe back in the Soviet times it was easier to hide the truth. Now it's more complicated due to globalism and internet and different sources where people can get through information and make their own choice. And it is complicated and complex, but we've seen that for over a decade,

the system for propaganda in Russia was well prepared and worked well, not just in Russia, but not to forget also in the rest of the world, because Russian-sponsored, state-sponsored media is still, even now, transmitting the messages, the news in Switzerland, for instance. I was in shock when we were in Davos Economic Conference, where I was at the hotel and a turn on TV,

and I see the city of Mariupo, explained by the Russian media, state-sponsored media, that Ukrainians destroyed the city so you know sick and sick lines it's it is it is and even though

they've been successful with that but it will end up not well for Russia and Russian propaganda you cannot hide the truth for too long you can't and it's just a matter of time I just wish this time is going to not last for too long

so not too much of destruction is going to be done not too many people are going to be This simplest thing you can do. Die for a country. You know it's most complicated, live for your country. That means fight for life. Unsense and next, the Klitschkos talk about one of the most heart-rending and shocking atrocities of this entire war so far.

Vitaly, you're a major target for the Russians and they were trying to find you and kill you early on. We know from your sporting career as a heavyweight champion. You don't stand back. You don't fear other human beings. But was there a moment in the early days where you feared for your life and do you still fear for your life? Listen, everyone, every Ukrainian war was targeted. Everyone who support Ukraine, who support our wish to be with your people.

country who want to build democracy is a target. Was the target and still the target of Russians. You sent your family away, your wife and your three children. They've gone away to a safer part of the country. Yeah, we send the rest of our family to safe place. When did you last see them? A long time ago, six months ago. You haven't seen your family for six months?

Yeah, thank you for technology. We make video conference, we're talking every day. But you have three children. You haven't been able to hug during a war, right? I mean, that's tough. Yeah, it's tough. But a big part of my family is here. Watching my back.

I mean... If he needs a hug, I'm giving him. It's fine. Or the other way around. But it must be nice for you to have each other, because you've always had each other, but now I would imagine more than ever, particularly if you're separated from family members.

family members other family members it is and probably I probably will speaking of continuing with exploring like questions like are you ready to die for your country yeah this question was asked and they probably like sense it there's something is coming they're like that's your country that's your home your principles and everything and and you know this this this simplest thing you can do. Die for a country. You know what's most complicated?

Live for your country. That means fight for life. Protect your people. Protect your country. Protect yourself. It's so complicated and at some point you're really kind of feeling like you know what? I'm going to run into my death,

so to speak, just to end up this misery. But no, the strength is of us Ukrainians that also we don't want to die even though a lot of being already killed and tortured and raped and now still putting life on the line. But living for your country is more complicated, more challenging. And it's definitely something that we don't want to do as Ukrainians run into our death. So we stay strong, we stay alive, we fight for our choice, not to live on our knee.

Have you been slaves, but live for freedom? Have you lost friends or family members in this war yourself? Thanks God we didn't lose the family members, but a lot of friends already... Had been killed? Was killed. You see, we can't imagine it, you know, living in London, we have the odd terrorist attack or whatever, but we can't imagine a war of the kind we had in World War II, where the German bombers were coming over and blitzing our homes.

That hasn't happened in the UK for 70-plus years. To see it happen in a democratic European country like Ukraine is it's just surreal. And to hear you say you've lost a number of friends already, the war's only been going a few months. And already it's impacting you personally in a way that it is everyone in Ukraine, I guess. I have some message to Great Britain for everyone outside of the country for Europe, for all the world. If someone seeing the war are far away from you, somewhere in Ukraine, and this war doesn't touch him personally, it's the biggest mistake. This war can touch everyone in European continent.

Ukraine is one of the largest country in Europe. And instability in Ukraine can bring instability in the whole region. And please don't forget, Ukraine have five nuclear plans. One of them, one of the biggest, you know, largest nuclear planets in Ukraine was on fire. It will be explosions be a tragedy much bigger times, bigger than Chernobyl catastrophe. In this case, this war can touch personally everyone in the planet. What's been extraordinary has been the reaction from so many people around the world

to Ukraine and Ukrainian people and the courage and the fortitude that you've been showing, showing you have a jar of pennies there Vitali just on the desk if you could just reach over and grab that for me because I wanted you to just explain what this jar is listen it's one of the stories a very touchful story our sister city Riga sent the buses to Kiev to help and the mayor of Riga told to everyone the buses empty let's bring some stuff to Ukrainian people to help them. People bring some sweet shorts, food, medication. And one small boy, around six years old, bring this glass, fall with the pennies, there with small money,

and give the money to mayor of Frigar. And say, I collect the money. this money lifelong. Life savings. Life savings. Six. And I want to give this money to Ukrainian children. I give $100 to the foundation, but I want to give this money back to this boy when the war finished. Small boy with big heart. Yes.

It's a wonderful story. There's another story you tell which has a much sadder ending. you met a young boy same age at the station soon after the invasion and he was crying for his mommy and daddy and you were trying to console him and then a woman came up to you and said actually both his parents are dead and we just haven't been able to tell him yet that's got to be a gut-wrenching moment yeah it's very touchful it was second third week of the war it saw a train station was full the people we try to evacuate people much safety place in Ukraine and break it full in one

corner we make for the children with toys and children play there some small playground and I visiting checking everything is fine and see the small boy is right there come to him keep five don't worry everything is good ask Mom, dad, and don't worry, any minute your parents come in here and one more woman come to me and what are you not allowed tell me, sorry, this child don't know, he's alone, he's alone. The parents was killed. And we're not allowed to tell him truth.

How did that make you feel that moment? As a father. I getting angry. Angry and I understand everyone, everyone who want the people ask me in street. The people ask me, Mr. Mayor, give to other weapons. ready to fight and defending our children, defending our homes.

I was brainwashed. I didn't understand what was going on. I really believed they were Nazis. One says the next, the Klitschko brothers have a firm message for Vladimir Putin. I mean, it's complicated, I would imagine, for you, about your feelings towards Russian people, Vladimir, because you have Russian blood, both of you. You grew up speaking Russian. And do you hate the Russian people or is your focus of anger towards Putin and the regime?

I was brainwashed. I didn't understand what was going on. I really believed there were Nazis and don't forget, the reasons have been changed. First, denisification, special operation, the fight against NATO, it's our land. We historically re-rided because it's our land. So there are always some new excuses. None of them worked from the beginning to end. Is Putin for you, is he the new Hitler? People use that phrase a lot, but in his case,

given what he's done, given the way Hitler invaded Poland and the way Putin's invaded Ukraine. I believe Nazi Germany and what Russia is doing in Ukraine with filtration camps, with destruction, with destruction of life and infrastructure, and anything living in Ukraine. They're parallels.

with Nazi Germany. There are parallels. Yeah, I completely agree. Should the West be doing more than it's currently doing? Not just providing military, but some people think that NATO, the greatest military force in history, should actually attack Putin. It was a mistake to take neutral status.

And first point. Second point, we have to be strong. The Russians accepted just strong position. They doesn't pay attention to weak people, weak politician, weak decisions, and regarding questions the West have to do it more? Yes. First point, second point. West right now is too slowly. Long discussion about defensive weapon.

I want to tell. Defensive weapon because we defend our country. We need the help. North Stream 2. Long, long discussion about that, but definitely take decision. It's too slow. Has Europe been too naive in allowing itself

to become too reliant on Russia and Putin for its energy resource? Has it allowed Putin now to use that as a blackmail weapon? Russians use any leverage to make us weak and they stronger. It was fascinating to me that you grew up in a family where communism was king. That was the belief. Everybody believed it strongly.

And then the wall came off your eyes in a way. And you saw the reality by going to America. I realized a lot of it was lies and propaganda. If Russian people are watching this interview, what's your direct message to them? I try to, I speak with many Russians, very intelligent people. Good educated. But they truly believe in the Russian government.

Exactly the same question I gave me in Second World War, how so huge population Germany, population Germany with big culture plus with some with intelligence, intelligence people make it getting crazy in a very short period of time. Somebody, I think it was Goebbels, the propaganda architect of Nazis, who said it's easy to get the people to do what you want, you just have to make them scared. That's the point. And that's exactly...

And that was Joseph Goebbled said that. And that's exactly with fear and being scared. And it's not just about the Russian people. What are you going to say to Russian people right now? They're not going to listen to it. Right. They're not going to watch it. Because they believe...

They would not understand it because it's in English. Yeah. It's not going to be translated. Forget about it. But it's all fear. It's more to the free world. Say more than to the Russians. They are victims of the situation and they scared to death.

Yeah. To say anything against the will of their... government so is in a certain way in the Western world being afraid scared or coward I think a lot of this is also I think all Putin's had to do is say if you do anything I'll use my nuclear weapons and it seems to me the West has gone oh no no no we can't we better be careful we can't and once Putin knows that the West has backed off because of that threat why would he stop using that threat Keep using that, right?

You know, we have, as a former fighters, we have a good saying which applies to everything. Because who is holding the weapons? A human. There is not a human on another side. Weapons, meaning economical side with gas and oil or nuclear weapons or any other. They're human.

So bully the bully. That's the saying we have in boxing. You have an opponent wearing the gloves. And if you're going to let him do whatever he wants to do, he is really going to do whatever he wants to do. What's the Mike Tyson quote? Everyone has a plan. Everyone has a plan. The deal is hit.

Exactly. And it's pretty much applying in their parallels. You have to bully the bully. If you always let to take a step back, you just make the bully stronger. And that's exactly what must be taken. Consequences, hard consequences for every action should be a reaction. Equal, how often do you talk to each other? Every day.

Once a day, more? I didn't count. Did you? No, every day. I mean, you have a remarkably close relationship. I have two brothers. I don't talk to them every day. But has your relationship become closer because of this war?

Has it brought you even closer than you were? The war doesn't play any role in the... in always from beginning the children the parents go to work and I have to care about my small brother and I care about him and I have to say and take responsibility also right now he's so big enough to take responsibility about your mother your mother always said she never wanted to see you fight against each other now days you don't say she said there was family propaganda

Don't fight each other. Support each other. Did you ever fight, like, quietly? Have you ever had that little... No, no. No. I was smart enough to realize as a five-year younger, he was 15, I was 10. It was the chances.

So I was waiting and waiting. I mean, if he were to... Right now is a good idea to fight younger brother. He's too strong enough. He looks... Your guns are pretty pump there. So... You reckon you take him now?

you finally there's there's no reason I mean what is the reason just you know sibling rivalry you know there is no rivalry there is competition healthy competition and more of supporting with each other you both look very fit but Vitaly I mean you work out every day does it help with the the mental pressures that you must be feeling health the body healthy spirit healthy mind what do you both when you think about the war and And it will end it. We don't know when. I hope it ends very soon, but when it ends. What's the thing you're both most looking forward to when that day comes, when freedom comes?

As Mayor of Kiev, we have a lot of plans to change our city. I enjoy my job because it's huge responsible, but I change by myself, my hometown, my country. And I enjoy that to see the result. and people very appreciate to see new schools, new preschools, new street, new parks, and they enjoy that and I enjoy that also if people happy. To make people happy is great privilege. Our plans to be successful. It's best answer for our friends and also for our enemy. Be successful and successful.

of the country is a main priority. Frank Sinatra, in fact Mike Tyson actually has a poster of Frank Sinatra in his office in Los Angeles. He showed me. And it's Sanatra's quote, the best revenge is great success. Yeah, it's true. That seems to me what you're saying. What about for you, Vladimir, what are you most look forward to when this is over? I'll be very honest.

Obviously, family and all the personal stuff which shouldn't be public. shouldn't be public but I would say that this war showed as well as 30 years of being an athlete that focus agility coordination and endurance are important principles in family life in sport in politics and also in the war these qualities we Ukrainians have and we Ukrainians showing face to the challenge and we the free world will stand together with Ukraine against and show that the good will always conquer the evil. Thank you both so much for your time. It's been a great honor to come to Kyiv and to see you both together.

You're, you know, the world looks on with huge admiration. You're very inspiring, like so many Ukrainians. And we're all behind you. All decent people are behind you. And you should know that. And please, not only verbally, but with everything, else that already been done but please more we need it now more we need this support so so so much thank you for being here because we're fighting and

defending not just our families and not our children we're defending the same values what we have we fighting for every one of you you know what you're fighting for freedom and democracy should the most important things in the world and And that doesn't just stay in Ukraine, that applies everywhere. And it was the same in 1939. It's the same now. And I wish you every success in winning this war. I really do.

So thank you for your time. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Well, that's for tonight, an extraordinary interview with two extraordinary people. And tomorrow night, I'll be sitting down with two more extraordinary people, President Vladimir Zelensky and his wife, the First Lady, Elena Zelenska. First lady, is it true that he didn't tell you? that he was going to run for president?

Say it through. Say it through. He forgot. You forgot? You forgot to tell your wife you're running for president? Each day he was thinking, that is the day, that is the moment. I should tell her. I saw his New Year's address and found out he was actually running.

Wait a minute. You found out on TV? Really? He was going to run. Mr. President, I'm... I was not laughing so much. This is your opportunity to apologize to your wife. Okay, I'm sorry.

It's a remarkable interview with two remarkable people who are currently trying to lead their country through the biggest crisis it has ever faced. You won't want to miss this.