Piers Morgan Uncensored - Piers Morgan Uncensored: Jenny McGee Exclusive

Episode Date: December 15, 2022

Tonight on Piers Morgan Uncensored, Piers speaks on the release of the final batch of Harry and Meghan’s docuseries. Columnist Maureen Callahan shares the view in America following the final batch of what Piers calls ‘the Megsflix whine-a-thon', and Paul Burrell speaks on the allegations Prince Harry has made against the Royal Family. Jenny McGee, the nurse who saved Boris Johnson's life, tells Piers Morgan exclusively why she's decided to strike.  Watch Piers Morgan Uncensored at 8 pm on TalkTV on Sky 522, Virgin Media 606, Freeview 237 and Freesat 217. Listen on DAB+ and the app.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Tonight, Pearz Morgan, uncensored. It was terrifying to have my brother screaming shout at me and my father say things that just simply weren't true, and my grandmother, you know, quietly sit there and sort of take it all in. Wining Prince Harry further torches his royal relations with a blistering attack on the British monarchy and deeply personal incendiary claims about his own family. Buckingham Palace remains dignified in his silence about the net

things fallout, but senior royals tonight presented a United Front at a charity carol service. The big question now is how much damage will this series inflict on the monarchy and Britain's image across the world. Also tonight, tens of thousands of nurses striking the biggest walkout in the history of the NHS. One of the nurses who saved Boris Johnson's life is now striking and she's here exclusively to tell me one. Live from London, this is Pearce Morgan uncensored. Well, good evening from London. Welcome to Pierce Morgan on Sensor. Today, Harry and Megan torched what little was left of their relationship with the royal family and what little was left, frankly, of their own reputations. Last week was mostly sycophantic. This latest instalment was downright seditious. Prince Harry mauls his own brother, accuses his father, the new king, of being a liar, even has a dig at his late-great-grandmother, the queen for standing by and doing nothing. the Royal Family is directly accused of destroying two of its own to protect itself.

And I don't know where it all stops all this. Where does it end? We've got the book. And then we've got the interview circuit. And so it goes on. It's all apparently a dark plot by Britain and the Royals to smear the poor, defenceless, vulnerable Sussexes. Trickery, treachery, hypocrisy.

And if there's one conclusion to draw, from the final installment of their Netflix series. It's that Prince Harry surely has now a traitor to the country that he once served. William and I both saw what happened in our dad's office, and we made an agreement that we would never let that happen to our office. To see my brother's office copy the very same thing

that we promised the two of us would never, ever do, that was heartbreaking. It was terrifying to have my brother scream and shout at me, and my father say things that just simply weren't true and my grandmother quietly sit there and sort of take it all in. They're happy to lie to protect my brother. And yet for three years, they were never willing to tell the truth to protect us.

Unbelievable. This blistering attack, not only on the institution of the monarchy, but also personally against the senior royals who represent our country around the world, is, in my view, beyond... attempt in their selfish vapid attempts to rewrite history, recasting themselves as victims, at least to have sold their souls and they sold Harry's family down the river. It's unforgivable and it will leave a bitter taste in the mouths of millions of people.

But there are toe-cirling moments of Michaud too, moments that would upset even the strongest of stomachs. Viewers are force-fed simpering clips of the pair frolicing on Californian beaches during COVID. In Tyler Perry's mansion, no less. people were locked down, many in tiny homes with lots of children. But they were the real victims, not the thousands of people dying from a new pandemic virus. They again cry out, of course, at the beastly horrible media for pursuing them and wanting to take their pictures, whilst persistently throughout this new installment, showing their own, highly intrusive pictures of their own children. Did they ask permission from those children

to invade their privacy for money, which is, of course, the very challenge they make against the media. We also learned that Megan actually thinks she's done Britain a favor. Get on the plane, and it's not the pilot, but whoever is sort of overseeing the crew. And he came, and he knelt next to my seat, and he took his hat off. And I just remember looking at him, he goes, we appreciate everything you did for our country. And it was the first time that I felt like someone saw the sacrifice, not from my own country,

for this country, it's not mine. Sacrifice, is that a joke? A sacrifice? Who was this guy? Who was this cabin steward? Does he exist? Or is he like the last one you met? You remember the Lion King Premier? You told you what a hero you were. We couldn't find him, couldn't we? Well, we find this cabin steward who apparently knelt and took his hat off in respect for this awesome woman who'd sacrificed so much for our country

that she's actually caused so much damage to. I'd like to know that a person exists. Or whether it was just one of the cabin crew do what they normally do, which is they kind of crouched down, don't they? And they take their hat off if they've got one on and ask whether you want chicken or beef. That's normally what happens. We also learned that Harry can't begin to understand

why people might prefer Catherine. the Princess of Wales, who of course never complains, never explains, and just does her duty. This is how it was covered for her. This is how it was covered for her. If you don't see the difference and understand why it's being reported that way, why, then I can't help you. I can't. I'm sorry. I just can't. I mean, you sound like a blithering lunatic. Don't you, Harry?

I can't help you. Really? Well, let me help you. there were a gazillion critical stories about Kate long before your beloved Meghan came along. They had nothing to do with Kate's skin colour and the Megan criticism had nothing to do with her skin colour at all, nothing to do with it. She just started doing things along with you

which were rankly hypocritical and in some cases, downright unpleasant and you both got called out for it and you don't like being criticised. You think if anyone criticises you, they're automatically bullies and racists, but they're not. In fact, one of the people who's been accused of bullying is Megamarkle by several of her PAs at the palace who had to sign NDAs,

so they couldn't tell the truth. I'm sure that Megamarkle and Harry, who want the truth to come out, would like those NDAs to be lifted, and maybe they should say so publicly. So we can hear from those PAs, who I know at least one of them, was regularly reduced to tears by the bullying from Megan Markle. And if Megan doesn't think she did bully, of course she can sue me because I've said it now. So I can't sue me and let's take it to court.

All of this leaves a deeply unpleasant taste in the mouth, doesn't it? And again, I say simply, where does it end? How much damage do they want to cause? They can't be allowed back to any royal events because they'll probably be wired up and taped for the next series of their thrilling life story. So what do they do? What does King Charles do about his own son?

Does he cut him off? Does he strip him of his titles? This is his son. It's a Shakespearean tragedy unfurling. And I'm afraid when it comes to help, I think Prince Harry might be beyond it. He's been manipulated, and I think partly it's down to him as well,

into believing their genuine freedom fighters. To see this institutional gaslighting that happens is extraordinary. And that's why everything that's happened to us was always going to happen to us, because if you speak truth to power, that's how they respond. Truth to power, what are you talking about? Your Prince Harry, the Duke of Sussex,

once third in line to the throne. It doesn't get a lot more powerful than you before you decamped for your freedom, before you gave up any royal duty, but wanted to have your royal cake and eat it by keeping your title so you could exploit them and make gazillions of dollars in America to the highest bidder.

And what do you do for that money? You trash your family endlessly, and you're going to keep doing it, as does your wife, who trashes her own family, most of whom she's disowned. Is this what happiness looks like, Harry? Really? You're happy? Hating your entire family? Your wife hating all hers, apart from her mother? Like many of the claims in the series, none of this stacks up, does it?

There were the claims of racism at the palace, but no evidence of who that person was or what they actually said. Apparently, Megan, she repeated this in this new installment, was banned by somebody at the palace from seeking help for her suicidal thoughts. Think about that for a moment. Who was that person? I'll be still working at the palace. Does that person exist? Did somebody actually say to her, you might be feeling suicidal,

but it's bad for the brand, you can't get help? And if they did, where was her husband in all this? Where was Prince Harry? Mr. Mental Health. He never stops banging on about it and about the need to get help. And yet when his own wife apparently had suicidal thoughts,

he didn't get a help. Does that make any sense? Does that sound even remotely plausible to you? Because it doesn't to me. So that's where we are. Another tissue of self-serving lies, mostly, I suspect. We don't know yet, but most of it looks like the Oprah interview, just another load of unsubstantiated smears designed to portray them as victims.

It doesn't really pass the muster of fact-checking. One minute there's a beloved young couple who inspired a name, the next that nation is horribly racist, out to throw Megan to the walls from the very beginning. The attacks on the press were so wicked that she was hated and feared for her life. But also the entire plot against them was because they were simply too popular. So they were hated and despised and too popular.

And this was all apparently a heroic fight for family privacy, but we have to learn about that fight in a $100 million reality TV show that flaunts their young family and boasts their young family and boast about their very part, social justice campaigns. Harry and Megan take their audience for fools. They blame everybody but themselves.

They present even the most incendiary of claims with no evidence. And sadly, the impact is real. The royal family is getting damaged. The monarchy is getting tarnished. People are believing, including Beyonce, it appeared from this series. They're believing that the royal family

are a bunch of callous races. Well, they're not. I know the royal family, a lot of them well. And they're not callous racist. and they're furious about this and their right to be furious. Okay, well, let's get into debating this. I feel strongly about it. I make no pretense about it.

The longer this has gone on, the more the attacks have grown in their ferocity, the more that you have the knowledge that the other side can't fight back, that's what I find so reprehensible. And Harry knows that. He knows they won't. They're going to maintain the stiff upper lip and dignity, which used to be what being a royal was all about. the Royal was all about. Well, I'm joined now by my pack,

Paul Burrell, of course, famous Royal Butler, Katie Nicol, one of the top Royal experts, I suppose you are, aren't you? God, don't worry that. And Paula Rone Adrian, of course, is here as well. So let me start with Paul Burrell. Paul, we've talked a bit about this, haven't we? About this fracturing between William and Harry. Harry's now gone on television and called his brother William a bully that bullied him out of the country and made him and made a number of other allegations called his dad a liar.

He had to go at the queen and everything. When you watched it, I mean, my jaw was dropping that he was literally taking them all down one by one. What was your jaw doing? Well, I saw six hours of it, and I was very saddened by all of it because I realized that there's no way back now for Harry. He's abandoned his family.

He's abandoned his duty, and he's abandoned his country. and he's disrespected his grandmother's legacy, which is the Commonwealth of Countries, which he upheld all her through her lifetime. And, you know, you can't say these things about your family and get away with it. And I don't think that he'll ever be welcomed back here again.

I think the British Republic will have something to say about that. And there are certain things that came out in, this interview, which I totally didn't agree with at all. I mean, he said that he couldn't get to his grandmother. He lived literally a few hundred yards away from her back door at Windsor Castle at Frogmore cottages. He could have walked up the hill, gone through that door and gone into his grandmother's sitting room at any time and said, Granny, I've got a problem.

The Queen's door was always open. It doesn't matter about what the courtiers say. The Queen would say, I'm your grandmother, Harry. I love you. You can come and talk to me if you have a problem. Harry, you're trying to pull the wool over our eyes. I know better than that. And the meeting at Sandringham, yes, you did attend that. And in that meeting, apparently Harry said to his grandmother,

I'd like to stay in the royal family and wear my uniforms and have my army contacts and then go back to America and do my commercial campaigns. And the Queen quite rightly said, Harry, you can't have one foot in the camp and one foot out because that's not fair to the rest of the royal family who can't do these commercial deals, who just do their duty for the country. So you can't have your cake and eat it. And quite rightly, the queen herself said no. And so Harry went back to America

and decided to leave the world family. Whilst knowing that she'd recently lost Prince Philip and that she herself was in very ill health and has now died sadly. You know, the timing of all this, apart from anything else, he's so reprehensible. Paula Rone, Adri, look, you've always defended. But Paul, just hang on one second.

Yes, always defended, Harry. Yeah, I'll come back to you, Paul. I'm talking to Paula just quickly about this. You've always defended them. Surely when you watch that latest stuff today, watching anybody take down their brother, their father, their grandmother on television, it's not a good thing. It's not a good thing.

But I have always said to you, peers, that this is only going to get worse unless we stop and start listening. What you are witnessing are, people who believe that they have been treated badly, whether you believe them or not, whether you want to shout at them or not, whether you want to deny them or not,

whether you want us to listen to 12 minutes of you telling us how awful they are as human beings. I think they are awful. But that may well be your opinion. And you're here to give me yours, right? Which is different. Yeah, and what is happening is... So it's not a one-way show.

I mean, you're entitled to say whatever you want. Well, of course, and so are they. And so are they, please. And that is what they are doing. This is what they feel they have been forced to do. So that's what they're doing. Fine. But when they do what they do, we are entitled in this country, our country is put under attack like this and branded a racist country by these two.

With a racist royal family ahead of it, we are entitled to defend what this country stands for. We know about the institute that is the royal family. We've seen what happens when somebody calls out a member of the royal household and says that they are racist. What happens to them? Well, they have to stop working. They have to close down... Who was racist? Well, we know that there was the incident with Lady Hussey.

No, we won't forget Lady Hussey. She was removed from office within 24 hours. We won't forget her. She was removed the moment... Because she was a picture of what the royal household was like. It could have been Lady Hussey. She was there at the time. You don't know, do you?

It could have been Lady Hussey. They said it was a member of the family. It could have been somebody else. They said a member of the family. And so what we're dealing with... told it could be any of them. So they're all all smeared by association. And as I've said, we can keep shouting.

But the fact is, they are hurting and we are witnessing that. They're not hurting. They're counting their money. They're not hurting. You say they're counting their money. I mean, look, you're not criticizing Mike Tyndall for being on I'm a celebrity, are you? Or doing adverts with Amazon or Domino's or whoever it is he's doing adverts with.

Mike Tyndall is not a paid-up member of the Royal Family. He doesn't get anything from the taxpayers. Neither do they. Not now. Neither do they. Because now they have to earn money. No, no, hang on. They've given up royal duty, and they've left the country and the family. But what they haven't given up is the royal titles, which now make them all the money. Well, I was just about to say the point of royal titles, listen, they are entitled to have their opinion. If they absolutely hate the establishment, they hate, well, they've left Britain, right?

They've stood down as working royals. I think there is a real issue with them holding onto those titles. It's very clear to see from everything that we've seen in Netflix. Without that royal calling card, there is nothing. No one is actually interested in what they have to say about anything else. He's always going to be Prince Harry. Sorry, just let me finish. He's always going to be Prince Harry.

If they hate the institution so much, if it's racist and bigoted and alienating and everything else, then do what they actually said. And this was new, because this was one of the new things that did come out of today. They offered to return those titles if their version of a half in, half out monarchy didn't work. So they put that offer on the table. If they have a shred of dignity left, put that offer back on the table and follow through. Why would you want to be in a racist institution? So why would a black police officer want to be part of the police, metropolitan police?

Why would a black female fire officer want to be a part of the London fire brigade? Why do they want to be in the royal family? They hate the royal family. Because you love it. You do it because you love the royal family. But hang on. You're talking about his dad. You're talking about his brother.

Of course they love. They are in pain. They are hurting. This is a family. They're causing pain. They're inflicting pain. There's, come on. They're the ones doing all the abusing in public.

This is called victim blaming. This is a classic. When you step back and look at what's happening here, they're not victims. What you are hearing, and what I'm hearing is an absolute tsunami of denial, denial, denial. Anything that comes out of their mouth is a lie. I don't believe all the word she says, certainly.

So I want to hear you say that absolutely everything that has come out of Harry and Megan's mouth is a lie. I think a lot of it is, actually. No, not a lot. Not a lot. I think a lot of it is. Only the stuff that we can substantiate. If there is some truth in what they've got to say.

Should we not be worried? There was a clip today which I thought completely summed them up. There was Tyler Perry for some random reason. He never met them and decides to give him his mansion. So they're living in this vast mansion during the COVID pandemic, which you think they might feel lucky about. But no, no. They're moaning away about that too.

And Tyler Perry is talking over footage and saying, they've been abused by their status in the royal family. And the footage shows a sneaky paparazzi craning down from a rooftop, taking pictures of them with their child. Only, it wasn't a paparazzi. It was a royal photographer who had been accredited and approved by them to take those pictures on an official tour. So it wasn't what it seemed.

It was a lie. They're the producers of this series. They know it's a lie and they put it in there so that people, fall for this clap trap. Rather like we saw the vast army of paparazzi aiming at some event, but it wasn't. It was a Harry Potter premiere. They weren't even there. It was five years before he met Mega Markle. All of it is smoke and mirrors. And on the really incendiary stuff, no evidence. Who is this person at the palace that said to Mega Markle, I don't care that you're feeling suicidal, you don't get any help? Why didn't Harry get her the help if she was genuinely

suicidal? Who is the racist in the palace? They still won't tell us. These are serious allegations causing serious damage to our royal family and this country's reputation. And it's not good enough that they keep going on television, spray gunning everybody again, and they don't give us the actual facts. I think Harry and Meghan have been incredibly brave. They are taking on an institution that wants to take them down. And you suggest... They're taking on two institutions that I'm afraid they're trying to take down.

And this is a blatant attempt to take down. But they won't succeed. And I think the royal family's dignity in maintaining its silence. and that show of togetherness tonight is actually what people want. I think people are just switching off. We can't allow people to believe that the royal family are keeping a dignified silence.

We know that that's not true. Well, they're not going to fuel these narratives. We know. We know that this is a source or a source close to. Oh, you do, dude? But where does the evidence in their allegations? Every time we read in the articles in the newspapers, it always references a source, doesn't it?

Where was the evidence today? It's always a source. Well, where is this source? But there wasn't any evidence. I've got to leave it there. Final question just to Paul before we let you go. Paul, you've been around the royal family a very long time. What will the royal family be feeling about all this?

There'll be appalled by all of this. Washing dirty laundry in public. It's not their scene. And they will close ranks. They will hold it together with dignity. And you're quite right. That's what we expect them to do. Don't attack Kate and William because they are our,

future, King and Queen. Kate has never put a foot wrong. Don't attack her. She's the jewel in our crown right now. And she deserves our respect and admiration. And had unbelievable criticism early on, actually, which everyone convinced to forget. You don't see any of that in the series. All just about negative for Megan, positive for Kate. Total lies. Absolute lies. Anyway, thank you. But fasten your seat belts, though. Fasten your seatbelt. We've got the book to come. Right, got 400 pages of crap to come. This never stops, right? Thank you, Katie. Good to see you. Thank you, Paula.

It's good to hear the other view. I don't agree with it, but I respect your right to have it. However misguided. Well, still to come tonight. And look at the division it causes here as well. They've launched a load of division. Was Meghan Markle made a scapegoat for the Royal Rift or were the fault lines from Harry and William there already?

We'll debate that next. And we're going to have a nurse who helped say Boris Johnson's life and is now striking in protest against the Conservative government. exclusive in that becoming. Well, welcome back. It's another fiery show, because this is the subject that gets people's passions fired up.

What's becoming clear is that Meghan Markle's definitely not alone in her delusional victimhood. Harry seems even more bitter and twisted about it all and wants us to think he's an even bigger victim. And his relationship with his brother, William, is now likely torched beyond all repair.

Well, where do they all go wrong? According to the Sussex version of events, their truth, which is very rarely the truth, says that Megan Markle, was scapegoated by the palace because she was, get this, too popular, whilst at the same time being so criticised. I think Australia was a real turning point because they were so popular,

so popular with the public, the internals at the palace were incredibly threatened by that. She's becoming a royal rock star, bigger, I would argue, as a couple than William Mnke. That's probably not a good thing in the long time. It's a dirty game. You know, there's leaking, but there's also planting of stories. You would just see it play out.

Like a story about someone in the family would pop up for a minute. And they'd go, we've got to make that go away. But there's real estate on a website homepage. There is real estate there on a newspaper front cover. And something has to be filled in there about someone royal. I've seen little cartoons of me on all fours with her holding a dog lead and me wearing the dog collar. How predictable that, you know, the woman. is to be blamed for the decision of a couple.

In fact, it was my decision. She never asked to leave. I was the one that had to see it for myself, but it's misogyny in its best. All dormits say that kind of thing, don't they? Well, joining me now, the author and historian, Tessa Dunlop, journalist and columnist, Maureen Kallon, a former Conservative minister

who gets a mention in the series, Anne Whitakam, welcome to all of you. Maureen, what is the view in America about all? I'm hearing a worrying number of Americans falling for this clap trap, including, it turns out, Beyonce, who sent this ridiculous text message to Megan Markle after the Oprah Wineathon, and a saluting her courageous, brilliant stand against,

well, we've got to hear, I think. Beyonce just texted. Really meant. Shut up. Just checking in. Just checking in. Just casual. I still can't believe.

I still can't believe she knows who I am. Go and call her. No, it's okay. She said she wants me to feel safe and protected. She admires and respects my bravery and vulnerability and she thinks I was selected to break generational curses that need to be healed. That's all said. Yeah, even the dog is calling bullshit on that. Maureen, what do you think? What do you make of this? What does America make of this? Do most rational Americans see through this? Oh, peers. Yes, please. Again, let me reassure you.

Beyonce would be in the minority opinion of these two. I think we are all well and thoroughly exhausted by this endless moaning and winging and banging on, you know, and the hurling of vague accusations. I mean, all this time later, all of these podcasts and interviews and now this six-parter and a book to come, and we still have no smoking gun. What are they waiting for? Well, there is no smoking gun, is there? Or we would have heard it by now.

All it is is endless re-hashing of the same old wines. They're very, very, very in love with their grievances, their victimhood. It's a very strange psyche they seem to share. You know, you were talking earlier about, you know, how much Harry may be to blame. But I really think in Megan, he found someone to really unlock, I think, years of rage and resentment and jealousy because this is like a tsunami. It just keeps coming and coming and coming. And the constant comparisons to his mother, actually, I've found, I've got to say, pretty

distasteful because in my estimation, having known them both, both women, no comparison whatsoever is valid between Meghan Markle and Princess Diana. And Diana's fame was stratosphericly bigger, as was the attention that was afforded to her. All right, Tessa, Donald, you've been seething or waiting to get stuck into me all night. Come on. I mean, you do. You are the tangible proof that this is a dirty grain, Piz. You help make it a dirty game. And you're carrying on spreading the muck all around. Like a little kiddie who's done a poo and wants to look at it. Let's stick it everywhere. Calm down. Actually, it's them that spreading the muck. They're the only members of the royal family doing any of the talking.

They're the ones on all the TV stations and TV series and podcasts and books spray gunning their fans. our royal family, our monarchy, and my country, Britain, branding a bunch of callous races. Come on. They are the ones spreading the dirt. Deep puff your patriotic chest. Why? Why should I? I'm going to explain to you. They've made it very clear that actually, I thought they were very coded and careful

when they called out rarely incidentally. You have to sit through a long three hours to find any specifics on William or Charles. They're very careful to target most of it at the fourth estate, particularly the Associated Press, which they had a victory over. in the courts, well, it was settled, and then they won the appeal. Harry claimed the Daily Mail was actually responsible for his wife's miscarriage without providing a shred of evidence that that was true. I fed you that line off air.

That was a classic case of a vulnerable man who's fighting a difficult case, feeling like he's on the outside, or a vengeful, predicting man. Putting two and two together and equalling five. Or a vengeful, vindictive man who actually says he hates the press, your attention, but has just invaded the privacy of his family in spectacular fashion because a streaming

platform has paid him $100 million. There's a word for that, and it is hypocrisy. Piers, what he did was call out, and he referred to it as the symbiotic relationship between the press and the royal family. He is well within his rights to do that. And the reason that I feel keen

tonight to hold you to account is that as we heard in that documentary, you were a big player, a giant mouthpiece, for literally stirring, or, if I may, shit stirring the pot. Oh, Harry and Meghan are bigger than Kate and William. Ooh, that's going to destabilise things. Ooh, let's just throw in a match and watch it blow up. That's what you did.

You're like the kid with his finger in the die, waiting, wiggling till the flood comes. Calm down, Tessie. I'm not calm, Piers. I'm not calm. You don't have to be calm. I'm just saying if you calm down, I can respond, which is to say that up to the point they got married,

I was very supportive of them, including on their wedding day, writing a very, very supportive piece for the mail on Sunday, actually about how brilliant it was to see a biracial wedding, finally in the royal family. It was only when their behaviour changed, when they became a serial pair of hypocrites, wanting their royal cake and eating it, preaching about stuff they did the complete opposite with, that I turned against it. Let's go down to Anne Wittaker.

Anne, you get mentioned in the series. Were you expecting that, and what was your reaction? Honestly, Pears, it gave me the greatest belly laugh that I've had since Neil Kinnock fell in the sea. I mean, it was unbelievable. I made an adverse comment about Megan on Celebrity Big Brother. Now, as you know, Celebrity Big Brother, you're completely cut off from the rest of the world. You know, I hardly had the palace on the phone. And apparently, the fact that I had made this comment, which was my own genuine opinion,

is all part of. It's proof of the conspiracy that there was to discrequent. Well, let's watch, I'll tell you what, Anne. I gave my own opinion. Let's watch the clip, actually, for the viewers who didn't see it. Let's watch the clip from Celebrity Big Brother. But there's real estate on a website homepage. There is real estate there on a newspaper front cover.

And something has to be filled in there about someone royal. What do we all think about Megan Markle? I love Megan Markle. I think she's very beautiful. No, I love it. Oh, no. Okay, let's take a vote. I think she's trouble.

Why do you think she's trouble, Anne? Background, um, attitude. I worry. She's older than him. She's been married before. Yes. I added all up and I'm uneasy. There we go.

Well, you weren't wrong, were you? Anne Whittickham? Because she was, she's a lot older than Harry, five years older. She's a divorcee. The last husband heard it was all over. I think when she set the rings back in the mail. And she comes barreling into the royal family, picks up her handsome prince, and before we know it,

drags him back to California, turn it into a money machine, and they disown both their families. I would say that is the personification of trouble. Well, absolutely, as I say, 10 out of 10 for prophecy, on my part. But I think it's very clear what's gone on. Megan wants the lifestyle of an A-List celebrity, but she's never risen above a part in a TV soap opera. and Harry wants all the trappings of royalty

without actually the slog of the duty that goes with it. And that's what they want. And that's what, you know, all this is about. It's about making money from the only thing that they've got, which is their royal connection. They've got nothing else. They've got nothing else to make their sort of lifestyle with. Attacking an institution that you exploit for personal gain.

It's quite breathtaking. I've got to leave it there. Thank you to my panel, a lively debate. Thank you, Tessa. We'll get you back. Don't worry. You can hold your horses to the next barrage you give me.

Well, next tonight, nurses have walked out at the biggest strike of its kind in NHS history. The nurse who helps save Boris Johnson's life is one of them, and she's here exclusively to tell me why. Welcome back to you, Pizsbork and our sensor. We clapped, we clanged, and we banged for them as they risked their lives for us working on the COVID wards in grossly inadequate PPE.

Two years on, and for the first time in history, tens of thousands of nurses are on the picket line striking over pay. Royal College of Nursing Boss said that she was truly sorry for taking the strike action. Well, joining me now is Jenny McGee, who's the intensive care nurse who looked after and helped save the life of our former Prime Minister Boris Johnson when he was admitted to ICU with COVID-19.

Jenny, it's great to see you. I remember obviously what happened, and it was an extraordinary moment for the country, as we all sort of waited, and you were part of a team which helped save him and thank you for that. It was a great service you did the country. Now you're going on strike, in a way a protest against the Conservative government, whose leader at the time you helped save his life. Why are you going on strike?

What does it mean so much to you feel you have to do this? I think there's just a real concern for what's happening in our profession. We are terribly, terribly understaffed. We have 50,000 vacancies across this country. and we are seeing that on the wards. We're seeing that when we're working. We do not have enough nurses on our wards. We feel that nurses are leaving the profession in droves because... Why are they leaving, do you think?

I think they're leaving because we've had enough. We have so much pressure and responsibilities put in our shoulders. We are busy every single shift. We can't give that care that we so desperately want to give. And we are... We feel that we're underpaid. As I say, we have a lot of responsibility on our shoulders. We care very deeply about the patients that we look after,

but we just want to be paid a fair wage. I completely agree with you, and I would always support nurses up and down the country. I think you're a fantastic group of people. And I think there's a horrible hypocrisy for those who are out applauding you every Thursday as you were literally risking your lives, and then now would oppose your right to a fair pay rise. I think that's ridiculous. The question is, I guess, how much in the end would constitute a fair rise?

I don't think 19% pay rise for any people in the country right now are sustainable. And it sets the precedent for the other industries, obviously, as well. What do you think? I mean, inflation is running about 10% right now. What do you think would be a fair, reasonable final settlement? I think personally, from my point of view, I think a pay rise, which is fair in terms of inflation. So I think 19% is not out of the question.

because we have worked so incredibly hard throughout the pandemic and we have proved ourselves time and time again. But we just want something that we can live on that's in line with inflation. We're not asking for millions, we're just asking for a fair wage. What does it do to you when you feel underpaid, undervalued, overworked, understaffed, under huge pressure? Yeah.

What toll does that take on you as a human being? Incredible toll, because all we really want to be. really want to do is give wonderful care to the patients that we're looking after. That's what we're in the profession to do. That's why we're nurses. We want to look after people. We want to make them better. And when you have all these external things coming in and interfering with that, it's demoralising. It's so tough. And I quit my job a year or two ago because of all those pressures that I had on me, I felt I couldn't do any more here in the UK and I needed a break. And that's what's happening to many, many nurses.

And what made you come back? Well, I have a life here in London, so I took a break and I went abroad for a year. I went home to New Zealand, spent lots of time with my family, but I have a life here. And, you know... Now you work in various hospitals as an ICU nurse. In intensive care, but I don't have a permanent job. I pick up work day to day, so I have control over when I want to work. Do you feel any qualms about strike-y?

It's first time nurses have gone on strike. Obviously, you deal with people's lives. Do you feel qualms about doing this on the morality side of it? I mean, we haven't gone into this with no thought. And the strike days were planned, and a lot of thought went into how we were going to strike. In the hospitals, we still had intensive care, staffed, emergencies. So a lot of thought went into how we were going to do it.

But I think it was necessary. We need people to take note. Well, I think the NHS is creaking at the seams, and the only people propering it up are people like you. And I thank you for your service. I think it's amazing the job that you do. Thank you. And you were brought into public attention by what happened with Boris Johnson. But actually, you do that every day when you're in the hospital in the IC units, saving all sorts of people, most of whom are not leaders of countries.

So thank you, and I hope that you get the pay rise you deserve. I want to bring in now another nurse. We're going to call her Anna. She wants to remain anonymous. I want to say where she is a nurse. She's an experienced NHS nurse who has reservations about these strikes. Doesn't feel comfortable. So I'm going to call you Anna.

Anna, tell me why you don't agree with this, with the strikes. Hi, sir. Well, maybe I don't agree with the strike as such. I mean, everybody can go on strike and demand whatever they want. But I think the demand is for the fair pay. What exactly is fair? How are we going to define fair? and every time the inflation will change

and are we going to go on strike every time? That's endless. And I think instead of striking about our pay, we should ask to stop the waste of money in the NHS and then we would have the money for all the pay rise and for everything else we need. This is where I think we should be focusing on. Yeah, I mean, I do think, you know,

if I was a nurse right now, I'd be looking at all the money that was squandered on PPE that didn't work, testing systems that didn't work, contracts to companies left right and said, all of whom made fortunes out of stuff that just didn't work in the pandemic. And I'd be thinking, well, we found the money

for all that suddenly when we had to. Where is that money actually for the people who are in the coal phase every day? Well, exactly. And also, what is the accountability of the wastage of the money? order certain things. And before pandemic, what about wastage of medication? How many times patient is prescribed medication and giving a full dose for certain amount of time and actually

stopped in the middle? And the medication is being wasted. It doesn't go anywhere. And thousands of thousands of pounds is being just thrown away. What about other things, I don't know, sticker, posters, other, when you're working on the world, you can see thousands of pounds being just flashed down the toilet. It must be, you know. It must be enraising. I tell you, I know what I also feel strongly about. I absolutely despise the fact that nurses in this country and doctors

still have to pay for parking outside hospitals. I think it's a complete and utter disgrace that you go in to save people's lives and we charge you for the honour of parking outside the hospitals. It is a total, total disgrace that shames this country. I've got to leave it there. Anna, thank you for calling in. Keep up the great work. I know that you all basically, I think, share the concerns. It's really about how you get to where you want to get to, which is to be valued properly.

So I thank you for joining me. Thank you so much. Thank you. And thank you again, Jenny. I appreciate it. Well, coming next, Donald Trump promised a major announcement today. It's proved to be a major, weird disappointment. We'll find out why with tonight's pack that's coming up. Well, welcome back. It's another fiery show because this is the subject that gets people's passions fired up. What's becoming clear is that Megas,

Michael's definitely not alone in her delusional victimhood. Harry seems even more bitter and twisted about it all and wants us to think he's an even bigger victim and his relationship with his brother, William, is now likely torched beyond all repair. Well, where do they all go wrong? According to the Sussex version of events, their truth, which is very rarely the truth,

says that Meghan Markle was scapegoated by the palace because she was, get this, too popular, whilst at the same time being so criticised. I think Australia was a real turning point because they were so popular, so popular with the public. The internals at the palace were incredibly threatened by that. She's becoming a royal rock star. Bigger, I would argue, as a couple, than William and Kay.

That's probably not a good thing in the long term. It's a dirty game. You know, there's leaking, but there's also planting of stories. You would just see it play out. play out. Like a story about someone in the family would pop up for a minute and they go, we gotta make that go away. But there's real estate on a website homepage. There is real estate there on a newspaper front cover and something has to be filled in there about someone royal. I've seen little cartoons of me on all fours with her holding a dog lead and me

wearing the dog collar. How predictable that, you know, the woman is to be blamed for the decision of a couple. In fact, it was my decision. She never, she never, else to leave. I was the one that had to see it for myself, but it's misogyny in its best. All dormits say that kind of thing, don't they? Well, joining me now, the author and historian Tessa Dunlop, journalist and columnist Maureen Kahn, across the pond, a former conservative minister who gets a mention in the series, Anne Whitakum, welcome to all of you. Maureen, what is the view in America about all? It's like, I'm hearing a worrying number of Americans falling for this clap trap, including, it turns out, Beyonce, who sent this ridiculous

text message to Megan Markle after the Oprah Wineathon, and saluting her courageous, brilliant stand against, well, we've got to hear, I think. Beyonce just texted. Really nice. Shut up. Just checking in. Just checking in.

Just casual. I still can't believe. I still can't believe she knows who I know. Go and call her. No, it's okay. She said, she wants me to feel safe and protected. She admires and respects my brave. and vulnerability and she thinks I was selected to break generational curses that need to be healed.

That's all said. Yeah, even the dog is calling bullshit on that. Maureen, what do you think? What do you make of this? What does America make of this? Do most rational Americans see through this? Oh, peers, yes, please. Again, let me reassure you.

Beyonce would be in the minority opinion of these two. I think we are all well and thoroughly exhausted by this endless moaning and whinging and banging on, you know, and the hurling of vague accusations. I mean, all this time later, all of these podcasts and interviews and now this six-parter and a book to come, and we still have no smoking gun. What are they waiting for? Well, there is no smoking gun, is there? Or we would have heard it by now. All it is is endless Rehashing of the same old

wines. They're very, very, very in love with their grievances, their victimhood. It's a very strange psyche they seem to share. You know, you were talking earlier about, you know, how much Harry may be to blame. But I really think in Megan, he found someone to really unlock,

I think, years of rage and resentment and jealousy because this is like a tsunami. It just keeps coming and coming and coming. And the constant comparisons to his mother, actually, I've found, I've got to say, pretty distasteful. Because in my estimation, having known them both, both women, no comparison whatsoever is valid between Megan Markle and Princess Diana. And Diana's fame was stratosphericly bigger, as was the attention that was afforded to her. All right, Tesla Dunlop, you've been seething or waiting to get stuck into me all night. Come on.

I mean, you do. You are the tangible problem. proof that this is a dirty grain, Piz. You help make it a dirty game. And you're carrying on spreading the muck all around. Like a little kiddie who's done a poo and wants to look at it. Let's stick it everywhere. Hang on. Calm down. Actually, it's them that spreading the muck. They're the only members of the royal family doing any of the talking. They're the ones on all the TV stations and TV series and podcasts and books spray gunning their family, our royal family, our monarchy and my country, Britain branding a bunch of callous races.

Come on. They are the ones spreading the dirt. Depuff your patriotic chest. Why? Why should I? I'm going to explain to you. They've made it very clear that actually, I thought they were very coded and careful when they called out, rarely, incidentally, you have to sit through a long three hours to find any specifics on William or Charles. They're very careful to target most of it at the fourth estate, particularly the Associated Press, which they had a victory over in the courts.

Well, it was settled. And then then, then, then, then, they won the appeal. Harry claimed the Daily Mail was actually responsible for his wife's miscarriage without providing a shred of evidence that that was true. I fed you that line off air. That was a classic case of a vulnerable man who's fighting a difficult case, feeling like he's on the outside, putting two,

putting two and two together and equalling five. Or a vengeful, vindictive man who actually says he hates the press and media attention, but has just invaded the privacy of his family, in spectacular fashion because a streaming platform has paid him $100 million. There's a word for that, and it is hypocrisy. Piers, what he did was call out, and he referred to it as the symbiotic relationship

between the press and the royal family. He is well within his rights to do that. And we're willing our rights to judge him. The reason that I feel keen tonight to hold you to account is that, as we heard in that documentary, you were a big player, a giant mouthpiece for literally stirring, or, if I may, shit-stirring. lowering the pot.

Oh, Harry and Megan are bigger than Kate and William. Ooh, that's going to destabilise things. Ooh, let's just throw in a match and watch it blow up. That's what you did. You're like the kid with his finger in the die, waiting, wiggling till the flood comes. Calm down, Tessa. I'm not calm, Pearce.

I'm not calm. You don't have to be calm. I'm just saying if you calm down, I can respond, which is to say that up to the point they got married, I was very supportive of them, including on their wedding day, writing a very, very supportive piece for the mail on Sunday, actually, about how brilliant it was to see a biracial wedding,

finally in the royal family. It was only when their behaviour changed, when they became a serial pair of hypocrites, wanting their royal cake and eating it, preaching about stuff they did the complete opposite with, that I turned against it. Let's go down to Anne Whittaker. Anne, you get mentioned in the series.

Were you expecting that? And what was your reaction? Honestly, Pears, it gave me the greatest belly laugh that I've had since Neil Kinnock fell in the sea. I mean, it was unbelievable. I made an adverse comment about Megan on Celebrity Big Brother. Now, as you know, Celebrity Big Brother, you're completely cut off from the rest of the world. You know, I hardly had the palace on the phone.

And apparently, the fact that I had made this comment, which was my own genuine opinion, is all part of, it's proof of the conspiracy that there was to discredit Megan. What conspiracy? I gave my own opinion. Let's watch the clip actually, for the viewers who didn't see it. Let's watch the clip from Celebrity Big Brother. But there's real estate on a website homepage. There is real estate there on a newspaper front cover.

And something has to be filled in there about someone royal. What do we all think about Megan Markle? I love Megan Markle. I think she's very beautiful. No, I love it. Okay, let's take a vote. I think she's trouble. Why do you think she's trouble, Anne?

Background, um, Attitude, I worry. She's older than him. She's been married before. Yes. I added it all up and I'm uneasy. There we go. Well, you weren't wrong, were you?

Anne Whittickham, because she was. She's a lot older than Harry, five years older. She's a divorcee. The last husband heard it was all over, I think, when she set the rings back in the mail. And she comes barreling into the royal family, picks up her handsome prince. And before we know it, drags him back to California.

to turn it into a money machine and they disown both their families. I would say that is the personification of trouble. Well, absolutely, as I say, 10 out of 10 for prophecy on my part. But I think it's very clear what's gone on. Megan wants the lifestyle of an A-List celebrity, but she's never risen above a part in a TV soap opera. And Harry wants all the trappings of royalty without actually the slog of the duty that goes with it.

And that's what they want. And that's what, you know, all this is about. It's about making money from the only thing that they've got, which is their royal connections. They've got nothing else. They've got nothing else to make their sort of life start with. Attacking an institution that you exploit for personal gain. It's quite breathtaking.

I've got to leave it there. Thank you to my panel. A lively debate. Thank you, Tessa. We'll get you back. Don't worry. You can hold your horses to the next. Barrage, you give me.

Well, next tonight, nurses have walked out at the biggest strike of its kind in NHS history. The nurse who helps save Boris Johnson's life is one of them, and she's here exclusively to tell me why.