Piers Morgan Uncensored - Piers Morgan Uncensored: John Lydon, Ben Crawford and Louis Walsh

Episode Date: May 12, 2022

Today's episode of Piers Morgan Uncensored includes an 'uncensored' chat with John Lydon from the Sex Pistols, and a panel with Louis Walsh and Tomi Lahren to talk about 'Fan Fears for Britney' and much more. Watch Piers Morgan Uncensored at 8 pm on TalkTV on Sky 526, Virgin Media 627, Freeview 237 and Freesat 217. Listen on DAB+ and app. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Good evening, I'm Pierce Morgan. Uncensored. Tonight, perhaps the world's most uncensored man. Johnny Rotten will be here live. Also have the former Irish Premier on the future of the United Kingdom, and Britney Spears is free, but is she really free? We'll talk about that too, but first is my brain dumb. It's a very tough time right now for many millions of people around the world as rocketing inflation drives the cost of food, fuel and bills through the roof. And as always, when this happens, the heaviest burden falls on those with the smallest resources, the poorest. Many get so desperate they rely on charitable food banks for donations to make sure that they and their families

simply have enough to eat. They don't do this because they want to, they do it because they have to. And the double-whammy of an economy-wrecking pandemic and now ruinous inflation has led to a massive increase in demand for those food banks from America to the UK. These are serious times demanding serious answers

from serious people. Instead, we have politicians like British Conservative MP Lee Anderson, who reckons he reckons he's got it all worked out. I think you'll see first hand that there's not this use, this massive use for food banks in this country, but generation after generation

who cannot cook properly, they can't cook a meal from scratch, they cannot budget, the challenge is there. Of course, how stupid of us. There was me thinking people go to food banks because they're literally penniless and have no option, but apparently, it's because they don't know how to cook or budget properly. They should simply, as he suggests,

but Sharon had a lockout a nutritious meal. He reckons for 30 pence. Now, in the interest of fairness, I decided to fact-check Lee Anderson with a bit of consumer research. I discovered that it might actually have been onto something. A pint of milk, five pence. A sliced white loaf of bread, 10 pence.

Packet of crisp, three pence. Six eggs, 11 pence. Then I remembered these were the prices in 1972, 50 years ago. To get a little deeper into Lee Anderson's political career, you'll soon discover why he might not understand what it's like to be poor. His salary of more than 84,000 pounds is more than double the UK average. He also claimed £219,000 in business costs from 2020 to 2021. That's £16,000 more

than the average for any MP. Life's a lot easier when the taxpayers stumping up for it, isn't it, Mr Anderson? Politicians from Boris Johnson's ruling party aren't exactly covering themselves in glory as the voters are suffering. Last week, George Eustace, the senior government minister, offered his own solution. Generally speaking, what people find is that by going for some of the sort of value brands rather than own branded products, they can actually sort of contain and manage their household budget. They just don't get it, do they? It's not about value brands. These people literally can't afford food, full stop. Anderson and Eustace's tone-deaf, woefully insensitive attitude, reminds me of the haughty French queen, Marie Antoinette,

who infamously said let them eat cake when she was told the peasants couldn't afford But what more should we expect really for this government? Police today revealed they've now issued a staggering 100 fines for illegal lockdown-breaking parties in Downing Street and Whitehall, meaning the very place with the most fines in Britain was also the very place where the rules were actually made. Let me remind these arrogant clowns that Marie Antoinette was the last Queen of France before the country's revolution.

We're talking of clowns. Judges on an employment tribunal in the UK ruled today, UK ruled today that it's sexual harassment to mock a man for being bald. Electrician Tony Finn claimed unfair dismissal from his job because he said he was subjected to discrimination for having no hair. Specifically, his factory supervisor Jamie King called him a bald bleep. Incredibly, he won the case because the judge has determined that hair loss is much more prevalent amongst men than women, so using it to describe someone is a form of discrimination. They said in our judgment there is a connection between the world are bald on the one hand and the protected characteristic of sex on the other.

What are they talking about? Even more absurdly, the judges compared being mocked about baldness to remarking on the size of a woman's cleavage, raising a previous case where a man is found to a sexy harassed a woman by commenting on the size of her breasts. You might be unsurprised to hear that all three judges on this panel who reach this decision are themselves bald. You might also be unsurprised to hear that I think their judgment

it's hair-wrenchingly ridiculous. There's nothing sexual about being bald. No bald man's ever been wolf-puzzles on a street or objectified in the office by a leering woman saying, that's a heart-shani dome you got there, darling. Being bald is just a fact of life, not a topic for sexual harassment lawsuits. Although perhaps I have to consider

I may have got all this wrong. Because when I sent this story to my family WhatsApp group this morning, my sister pointed out that our follically challenged brother, Jeremy has always claimed that his bald head is a solar panel, his words, for a sex machine. That's quite correct, he replied to the group chat and why I need to be kept out of the sun. Incidentally, my brother Jeremy retired as a British Army colonel today after 37 years of outstanding service to his country, including numerous war zones. I got the hair that he got the balls. An explosive and shocking video, Broadway legend Patty Lepone berating a theatre goer has emerged,

The two-time Tony Award winner is seen yelling furiously to a woman in the audience. So what was a crime? Heckling? Filming the performance on her smartphone, chatting to friends maybe during a tense monologue. Oh no, far more serious. She wasn't wearing her mask properly. Oh, the indignant fury, but hang on, one sec. Can we just go back on that again? How weird. I think I've spotted a bit of a problem with her indignant rage.

It's called bare-faced, literally, hypocrisy. Foaming at the mouth in righteous fury at a woman who's surrounded by people are maskless, while you yourself are also surrounded by people are maskless. Nothing screams absurd liberal COVID-Rul hypocrisy than an unmasked singer spitting abuse and particles of God knows what and a theatre goer who is doing exactly the same thing that she is doing in that exact same moment.

It's not just delusional divas belting up mask-wearing virtual signals to the normal people while singing a different tune themselves. We see this hypocrisy time and again at the moment. Here's Hillary Clinton on Twitter. Couldn't be clearer. And here's Hillary Clinton on the red carpet

at the Met Gala last week. No mask for Hillary. Just for the poor flunky who's puffing her dress. It's one rule for the flunkies, one for the elite. Well, my memo to the mask mafia is simple. I see you and I see your face.

Levi Belfield is one of Britain's most notorious and wicked serial mass murderers, now serving a life sentence for killing at least three teenage girls. His victims included a 13-year-old Millie Dowler, who he abducted and brutally murdered in 2002. Belfield is an evil, depraved, horrible monster. I don't believe in the death penalty, but if I did, he'd be top of my list for execution. At the very least, he should rot in jail and never see the Ludd of Day again,

and be deprived of all the joys of normal life that he prevented those poor girls from ever experiencing. But incredibly, he's just formally applied to get married in prison to one of those sickeningly deluded women who visit heinous criminals in prison and profess their undying love for them. This makes me sick to the pit of my stomach. Through his despicable actions,

Belfield ensured that Millie Dowler and his other victims never had the chance to get married. For him to now be allowed to do it from behind bars is an obscenity and it must be stopped. Uncensored tonight, Johnny Rotten have been cancelled by the Sex Pistols, Bertie Ahern on the breakup of the UK, Brittany is back, pregnant, free and naked,

and is he child abuse and a six-year-old run with you in a marathon? All coming up, are all unscensory. As lead singer of the sex pistols, John Lydden, aka Johnny Rock, there's no stranger to controversies over his music, but he now claims he's been cancelled by his former bandmates of a new TV series

called Pistol, and ordered not to say anything negative about it. I'll talk to John about that the moment. The first is seen in performing the once banned anti-royalist song, God Save the Queen, which has now been re-released for the Queen's Platinum Jubilee. Well, John Leiden joins me now. John, great to see you. How are you? I'm very much alive. Thank you.

You're always worried alive. I've got some very bad news. I've got to start with some very bad news because, as you know... Stop it. You must not do that. Somebody just shouted that to me too. Do you know what I'm about to say? No, I don't want to. You know there's a certain football match on tonight, right?

No! No! Stop it! I won't tell you, but it's not good news. We need a bit of a perk up. Let's just leave it like that. For those who don't know what I'm talking about, John and I both massive Arsenal fans, and we're playing a massive game tonight against our most bitter rivals, and we're currently losing. I don't know about it being massive.

Unproper Arsenal, win-lose or draw. That's how it goes. Well, you're right. You have to suffer the pain to enjoy this. Joy. John, let me talk to you first of all about this issue over the series that's coming out on Disney Plus about the Sex Pistols. You know, when you go and watch that clip, you guys really were one of the all-time great bands. Not for very long, the longevity of the band, but you were magnificent. And it seems entirely right and proper that there should be this series. But you've fallen out with the band members over it. Why? Because they put it together behind my back,

mentioning it to me at all until January the 4th last year then we got an email from Danny Boyle on the 8th saying he would like to discuss it with us and on the 9th over the weekend the press were banging on my door and on the the following Monday it was released all over the internet as a done and dusted deal actors were appointed scripts were written plots were fully fully covered, but without me. So this TV series, they could call it a documentary, I'd prefer mockumentary,

is completely without me contributing in any way, shape or form. And I don't think, to be absolutely honest, anyone could ever consider the sex pistols without the man what wrote the song. Right. Well, I completely agree. It's absurd. It's a great shame because Danny Boyle's doing it. He's a top director.

I don't know. Have you seen any of the series? No, I haven't been allowed to see anything at all. No scripts, nothing. And do you know, haven't it? Any single part of I played in it, nothing. And do you have any relationship? And I find that bizarre.

Yeah. I agree with you, Piers. It would have been a fantastic opportunity to really grasp and enjoy the truth of that situation. But I think they've gone for this watered down. kind of cop out that isn't going to do anybody any good. They're actually what they're doing is destroying sex pistols. Which is a great, great shame. And I was reminded of the sex pistols.

When you see that magnificent anthem, which got everyone going and got banned and the rest of it, God Save the Queen, at the time, you know, it was back at the Silver Jubilee, 1977. And at the time, it was a kind of rant against the monarchy. You were young and anarchic punks. As you've got older, John, have you softened your view? Let me tell you. Let me tell you. I didn't.

Pierce, let someone talk. I didn't write it specifically for the Jubilee. That was my train of thought. It was several, several months before we did that boat party. It's very anti-royalist, but it's not anti-human. Right. I've got to tell the world this. You mustn't presume that I'm completely dead against the royal family as human beings.

I'm not. I'm actually really, really proud of the Queen for surviving and doing so well. I applaud her for that. That's a fantastic achievement. I'm not a crumption about that. I just think that if I'm paying my tax money to support this system, I should have a say-so on how it's spent. And do you think, John, do you think...

Possibly the end of the monarchy because Prince Charles is not going to be able to handle it. This is the man that plays Pink Floyd. to his cabbages. Remember that? So you think we might be seeing the beginning of the end of the monarchy as the queen enters the sort of twilight of her life?

Possibly. Possibly. Possibly. And that's a shame in itself too because I do love pageantry. You know, I mean, I'm a football fan. How could I not? You know? I like watching royal weddings because I really did enjoy watching Spitfires and B-52s

and the likes flying. over the palace. I get quite emotional with all that. I love my country. I love me people and everything about it. But if there's problems within it, I think I have the right to say so. And when I wrote God Save the Queen and believe me, I wrote it, not the others, right? It's as me expressing my fully competent point of view. What do you make, John, what do you make? And you're all more than welcome to disagree. No, no, not at all. Your opinion is this show is called Piers Morgan uncensored. I absolutely want an uncensored, John Leiden.

What do you think talking of being uncensored about Megan and Harry and their contribution to the royal debate at the moment? I'm sorry, but I think that they've showed themselves to be parasites. If you want to opt out of that family situation, then please by all means

do and go and work for McDonald's. But don't expect me to be still forking money out to support your nonsense. They seem to to be amazingly ungrateful, at least he is. And as for the sex scandals involving the other son, well, you know, less said, best said until that turns up in call. I think as public figures, if you don't want to be a public figure,

then shut your mouth. What do you make, John, of the... A survey came out today about woke and wokeness. 36% of the public, apparently, in the UK, think that woke is an insult, but 26% think it's a compliment. Do you identify as woke? Certainly not. My advice to the woke is to please wake up.

It's a lot of typewriter warriors on the internet, isn't it? Doing this stuff and creating idealised fantasies for themselves, in the privacy of their own bedrooms that their mum and dads are paying for. And unfortunately, left-leaning politicians have grabbed onto that and seen that as their new potential voter base. That's where it's going wrong. Because once politicians declare themselves as woke, we're all doomed.

See, John, the reason I love into... I think it's a current, I think it's a current fashionable trend that will end very, very sadly for them because it really is all about being selfish. And ultimately, if the ambition is that we're all woke, then you've achieved nothing. Yeah, I agree. I mean, the thing I love about you, John, and I'd say this with great sincerity, whenever I've interviewed you, you are literally uncensored and uncensurable.

No one has ever told you what you can and can't say, and you wouldn't listen to them if they did. But so many people now, including many people in the music industry, are terrified of saying the right thing, the wrong thing, worried about being cancelled by this cancelled culture. What do you make of the fear that everyone's now living in? Well, I think that that shows you that a lot of people don't actually know how to think. I don't just jump to conclusions.

I spend most of my life studying and observing my fellow human beings. So I tend to know what I'm saying. It's not just sloganeering for me or trying to jump onto a bandwagon. And that's how it should be for all of us. let all those that follow the nonsense sink with that ship. Now, John, I wanted to just end by mentioning that Madonna, another sort of bad rebel of music, if you like,

has released some NFTs, these non-fungible, whatever they are, tokens, apparently of scans of her genitals. And what I wonder was whether you might be bidding for them. I think if my memory serves me well, I've seen the real thing and I never ever want to be reminded. John Lund, as always. NFT's interesting to me because I'm getting evolved in it myself because I'm a bit of a painter on the side

and I'm raising money for Alzheimer's victims for an organisation called Spitz out of Isling. you know, the area I was brought up in, and we'll be sending musicians to the local care centres. Brilliant. Because music, as I well know, my wife, with Alzheimer's now, music helps her brain open up and get to her thinking. Don't let people with Alzheimer's sit and vegetate, involve them in things.

And so, yippee, I found a way to do that, not only for my own wife, but with other people. That's brilliant. I'll be planting trees all over Ireland because there's too many golf courses. And that's an organisation called, yeah. It's an organisation called Paramilitary. John, unfortunately, we are running out of time.

But finally, I wanted to ask you one question. If you could relive one moment from your time with the sex pistols right now, which moment would you choose? I suppose the first day's rehearsal, right? When I became alarmingly aware that these lads really hadn't much going for them, and I had a golden opportunity to use all the writings and thoughts I had in my head and put it to music.

And that was just a most fantastic, rewarding feeling. Now, anybody looking back at the pistols, please remember with fondness, just how vital and important we were, not this new nonsense. John, you were vital, you were important. I think you still are vital and important. You're a fantastic guest on any show like this always. It's great to talk to you, and all the very best to you and to your wife. May the road rise with you, and your enemies always be behind.

You may just get a flatter, batter and chatter. John Lydden, thank you. Great to talk to you. What a character. Well, to time with Mother's Day in the United States last Sunday, Calvin Klein has launched the campaign to, as it puts it, celebrate the diversity of families. The ad went viral on social media. It shows Roberto Betay, a pregnant trans man who's about to give birth to her baby, Noah,

along with her partner, Erica Feeho, who's a transgender woman. Calvin Klein said, today, in support of women and mothers around the world, we highlight the reality of new families. I don't know what to think about this. I don't have a single anti-trans sentiment in my body. I believe in fairness and equality for all trans people. For Calvin Klein to put that out to say they're supporting women and mothers, really? Is that what you're doing when you're doing that?

Or are you potentially exposing the trans community to unnecessary mockery? I'm not sure how many trans people will look at that campaign and think that is good for the transgender cause or the transgender community. And that's all I want companies like Calvin Klein, when they do this virtuously to think about. Think about what you're doing and the impact it may have because I watched what happened when that went on social media and immediately lit up with just widespread mockery. And if that's what you want to achieve, fine. I don't think it is.

And that's why I think these things are problematic. That's not really about women and mothers, is it? All right, moving on. Unsensored next. Former Irish Premier Bertie Hearn on how the United Kingdom could be on the verge of collapse. Welcome back to Piersmorgan, Unsens. The British government has rejected claims

that Sinn Féin's election victory in Northern Ireland could lead to the breakup of the UK despite the parties push for a referendum on a United Ireland, Prime Minister Boris Johnson. It is now threatening to tear up post-Brexit training arrangements with the EU, despite warnings from American President Biden that it could undermine the Good Friday Agreement. So are we edging ever closer to a United Ireland

and a disunited United Kingdom? I'm joined by someone who I'm sure will have a strong view of that list, a former Irish Prime Minister, and one of the founding fathers of the Good Friday Agreement, Bertie O'Hurne, thank you so much for joining me. How are you doing, Pers? Very well. I'm going to say I'm sort of twitchy about what is going on politically

with the United Kingdom, with Ireland, with all of it, actually. And I've been like this since Brexit and we've severed our way from the European Union. It feels like a lot of things are being splintered. Do you think we're going to see a United Ireland looming or certainly a referendum on it in the next few years? And if we do, could this signal the beginning of the end, of the UK? Well, I think there are a number of problems at the moment. Per said the elections last

week were fairly good. I mean, there were peaceful elections. Most of the political debate was on bread and butter economic issues, except maybe for one party. The protocol was pushed a fair lot, but there wasn't much about the border poll or United Ireland, New Ireland, shared Ireland, what the different names put people put on it. So it wasn't a big issue in the election. I suppose it is in the Good Friday Agreement that from time to time there can be a referendum. My view is that until the preparatory work is done

of how it would look, what it would cost, how it would evolve, that it's not a good idea to have it. And I think most people are of that view. So there will be a vote at some stage, but it's early stages before the work is done. But unfortunately, that has moved away from the issue a little bit. What happens now is that Brexit is back into the game again. And the Northern Ireland Protocol, which was part of the withdrawal agreement

that Prime Minister Boris used to say Brexit was done, that now the British government, through the Attorney General, through various ministers, are saying that, they might unilaterally bring in legislation to amend that. That has created, I think, great friction on the whole island of Ireland. The government here are really upset about it. I think our American colleagues are very upset about it, and President Biden is. Well, it's a betrayal.

It's a betrayal of the agreement. And the bottom line with all this is that when Brexit was getting done, as Boris Johnson kept telling us, nobody had worked out what to do about the border. situation. And that has never been properly resolved. And that's why he's trying to reopen it now because he knows he didn't have a plan for it and it's not worked in any way that suits anybody. And that seems to me the fundamental problem right from the start. They never sorted this before, during or after Brexit. Well, we're still, I think, um, even after Brexit, when the debate took place on the withdrawal agreement and not to make sure

we'd know land border on the island of Ireland. Boris Johnson negotiated with the Irish government and with the European Union that protocol. And within a few months of them negotiating it, he said that he didn't like it and it was a bad idea. But he was the one who negotiated it. But I think what I'd like to say, is that this thing is negotiated and sorted out in a nimbical way. If the British government go down the road of arbitrarily,

breaking the protocol, there will be a response from Europe. They will probably start looking at sections of the trade deal, and it'll just make a total mess of everything rather than have a negotiated settlement. And several ministers in the last 24 hours, secretaries of state, including the Attorney General, seem to be indicating, they're not saying it definitively,

but they seem to be indicating that the British government are prepared to unilaterally change the protocol without consultation with the Irish government or Europe and that would just be an absolute mess. I think it would be a complete fiasco and another betrayal of what was agreed. I don't know if you're a betting man, Mr. Hern, but if you were a betting man or a soothsayer,

whatever you want to put it, Nostradamus for a moment, just go forward 20 years. How feasible could it be that there's by then a United Ireland, the Scotland has gone independent, that the UK basically is left with England and Wales. I mean, is that something which actually right now

could be a realistic situation in 20 years' time? In 20 years' time, I think Scotland will come up first again, particularly if Scottish National Party go in with Labour after the next election if they were to have enough seats to form a government. That's a big if, but it is a possibility. There will be in that time scale. Hopefully the work will be completed

and there will be a border poll. It'll be up to the people what they decide. But I think, from my point of view, it should be on the basis of consent and agreement. The one thing we don't need on the island of Ireland is to go back into the trouble days. So it will be the ability of the politicians over the next 20 years to see if they can

both do the preparatory work and be able to negotiate and be able to satisfy most of the unionists. I don't think you'll ever get everybody on board and nobody probably should expect that, but it will be a challenge. But I think what's more difficult versus, but if we can't resolve even the protocol,

how will we ever resolve the bigger issues that are down the road? And this is really, and the protocol, by the way, you should say for your viewers, is really what was brought in, negotiated between Europe and Boris, Johnson to avoid a border, a land border in Ireland, so that we could, Northern Ireland would stay in the single market and be able to get investment, be able to get jobs.

And if he now rips it up, frankly, it's another breach of trust. And that's the problem. And I think that that in its way, I think the way Boris Johnson is going about this is going to break trust so badly. I think it makes it more, not less likely, that the UK ultimately fractures, because why would anyone trust him? I've got to leave it there. I'm a I'm afraid, Birdie Ahern, brilliant to talk to you. Thank you so much. You're coming on, Piers Morgan Unsensored. Really appreciate it.

Thank you very much, Pierce. Thank you. We'd all like to believe that we have a good Samaritan or a Guardian Angel rushing to help us in an emergency. But very few people will be brave enough to do what we're about to see here. This is footage released by local police in Florida. It shows a woman called Laurie Rabia's car, drifting wildly out of control,

or she passed out on a busy intersection. A co-worker tried to help her stop the car and several others rushed in to eventually bring it to a hall. One of them even fetches a dumbbell from their car to break the rear windows. Laurie Ledger said that they saved her life and told local news that she wished she was a millionaire so she could buy them all a boat.

All incredibly, truly impressive. It really does restore your faith in humanity. Well, almost. Because take a look at some of the other motorists who were around this scene, weaving their way through the people and the stopped cars as this emergency unfurls just taking care of themselves, worrying about themselves.

There really are, from this scene, two types of people in the world, aren't there? There are your guardian angels, the people who run to help you in a time of trouble, and then there are the others that you see just taking care of themselves. Well, next up, most young children spend their weekends playing it apart, maybe learning to ride a bike, but the Crawford family has other ideas. The family of eight ran a marathon together at the beginning of the month, including their six-year-old Rainier.

Now, unsurprisingly, it's been a bit of a backlash. Olympic marathon runner lead troops and everything about Rainier running a marathon is completely wrong. And the race director has now said that only that runners aged 18 and over interim future, which is the case for most marathons. So the bottom line is, is six years old, too young to be running a marathon? Rainier's dad, Ben Crawford, doesn't think so,

and he joins me now. Mr. Crawford, thank you for joining me. Hello, Pierce. Good to be here. A bit of a delay, so I'll keep my question short. Why did you let your six-year-old join you in the marathon? And did you not have any health concerns for him? We did have concerns, except for this is something we had been working through for nine years. We've run marathons as a family with all of our other kids.

We have six kids total. And they've all finished the marathon without any complications or concerns. And about a year before this marathon, He watched his sister's run, and at that point he begged us to be a part of this. And we said, well, if you're willing to train for it, and as long as we run right next to you and keep an eye on you the entire way, we don't have any problem with you participating in this activity because we think it's good for you and we think it's good for our family. I mean, I'm all for a bit of tough love with kids.

You know, all my kids like sport. I like to push them as a parent to be the best of whatever they were doing. But certainly with my sons when they were six, I would never. put them into a marathon believing that their bodies weren't big or strong enough to cope with such a sort of physical ordeal. And a lot of the medical guidance, as you know, recommends against it and thinks that certainly boys and girls should get through puberty before they even consider this kind of distance running. But there are other people who applaud you for being a tough dad. How have you felt about the criticism that's come your way? Yeah, well, the first thing I probably

have an issue with is the way you phrase it is put our child through this. You know, we're pretty clear, like, we have a culture of a family where we've done hard things, but we've also experienced the gratification that comes from those hard things. And our six-year-old has observed that. And he chose this. We didn't put it on him. We didn't. I mean, you could say we gave him the idea because it's kind of the culture of our family, but we didn't put him up to it. It was, he asked us, and we allowed it. So there's not a pressure coming from that angle. And on the research side, there isn't much at all in the medical community. There's like cautions.

You know, a lot of people say, oh, the risks may increase. But a lot of the studies are very outdated that are being quoted. And the bottom line of what the medical community recommends now, or not recommends, but says, is that there is no conclusion. There's no evidence. You know, they have their cautions like they do with buying a stick of gum or a pack of cigarettes, which maybe that's a bad example because that's like blatantly bad for you. But for us, bottom line is the benefits health-wise and emotional that we've seen with him and our family and our other children is that the benefits far outweigh the potential risk that we've heard about medically or in any other way.

I mean, it took him eight hours, 36 minutes to finish it. Apparently he was tearful at various stages of the run. How was he afterwards and in the few days after the race? Oh, the day after he's jumping on, or the day of, he's jumping on a trampoline. He's asking about doing a half marathon. again in a few days. He's talking about doing the marathon again next year. Eight hours is pretty much a walking pace. So it's a fully active day. It's a long distance. I've heard that Disneyland says the average kid walks seven miles in Disneyland without any training. You know, there's no preparation for that. So it's a full day and it's a hard day, but I don't think it's quite what people are making it out to be. There's water every mile. We stop for food and drinks and playgrounds.

I think when people see the video that we made about it, they'll see, it's almost ridiculous to even talk about it because of how fun it will appear that we're having. I'm in two minds about this. I've watched the footage. I've listened to other interviews you've given.

I've heard the criticism. Every instinct with me is to support a father pushing their kids. And I do think we've gone very soft as a society. I do think that. And I do think there's such a premium now on quitting and not putting yourself through this kind of physical challenge, if you like. And then the other part of me as a father is like, well, when my boys with that age, would I have

made them run a marathon? I would have been too scared to do that, worried that I might inflict some kind of permanent damage. So I'm sort of torn. Do you understand that? Oh, I completely understand it. But you keep on using this language of push or have my child do. And to me, that would be a major red flag. If we are pushing him using our will, to motivate him to enter the race, to continue the race, and finish the race. I would expect massive backlash from the community and from the child. But if the child wants to do it, then I think it's our job to assess, like, are there major medical risks that the child can't understand?

Are there major scientific risks? If not, then the question is, how can we support the child to do it in the safest way possible and then just be prepared to pull the plug if we have to, or if the child changes their mind? But never once in the 26 miles did he change his mind? that he changed his mind and say that he wanted to quit the race. What next? When he's seven, is he off to the triathlon?

What happens next? You know, I don't see it that way. It's not, you know, our family is not competitive in that we're trying to do the next hardest thing. We're asking the question right now, how can we make running fun for where we're at now? So next year, it might be something else that's fun and healthy and challenging. We've, this is not the first difficult thing we've done. our family kind of like got some media attention for in 2018 when we hiked the 2,000 mile Appalachian Trail. So our kids have a roadmap for at least knowing what's possible for them.

I don't care if they run for the rest of their life or become competitive. They don't time themselves. We're not pushing them. But I want them to know that it's at least an option and that it's possible and it's something they can do if they choose to. Ben Crawford, fascinating conversation. I actually think I've come around to your way of thinking. I do, actually. And I didn't think I would.

In that three minutes, really? I think you've been quite persuadable, actually. Yeah, because in the end, you know your child better than anybody else. If he genuinely was on a trampoline after the race, clearly no real harm was done. You know what? Who's to say that a six-year-old, if they want to do it, can't do that? So a great conversation.

Thank you very much indeed. Thank you. On censor next, Brittany Spears is free, pregnant and naked. Some of the fans are worried. Others think good for her. discuss that after a November last year after a highly publicised legal battle Britney Spears was freed from a brutal

13 year long conservatorship that put her father in charge of her finances her health care and her personal decisions effectively her entire life well since then she celebrated her freedom by posting pictures to her 41 million followers on Instagram naked pictures but last week alone

she's posted a series of them concerned fans have flocked to social media as they always love to do is Britney okay is she having another mental breakdown. Well, I don't think she is. I wrote a column for the sun this week saying, actually, I think she's expressing the freedom she didn't have for all those years of that conservatorship, which became incredibly draconian. But to discuss all this, I'm joined by music management legend, Louis Walsh, his words not mine, who actually walked with Brittany as a judge on X Factor USA in 2012,

and Fox Nation host Tommy Leran, who's an unashamed Britney fan. Well, let's start with you, Tommy. I looked at these pictures. I've got to say my first reaction was to be a bit concerned. Is that what she's doing because she's got a history of erratic behavior? But actually, when I read the captions and I saw what she was sort of saying about it, I genuinely felt this is a woman who feels liberated. And she always talked about the time of the conservatorship as being like being in prison. What do you think?

I'm free Britney all the way. She's living her life. She's loving her life. And you know what, peers? What celebrity doesn't post nude photos? or suggestive photos. I mean, scroll through and pick a name, any name, pick a Kardashian, any Kardashian.

I don't. I don't. They're all posting this kind of stuff. Is it a little bizarre? Sure, it's a little bizarre. But with all the craziness that goes on in Hollywood and in the media with public figures, let Brittany be Britney.

She's not hurting anybody. She's enjoying her freedom. And let her freak flag fly if she so chooses. It's all up to her. Thank goodness she is finally free. Yeah, I kind of feel that. Louie, you've got a history with Brittany because you did judge X-Factor USA with her,

and it was a bit of a nightmare, wasn't it? She did one show of thing, and over two days was sort of completely out of it, a bit of a divra about everything, and you were worried and maybe... She wasn't in... Yeah. Tell me about it.

She wasn't in a good place. She wasn't in a good place. But, you know, I'm a fan as well, Pierce, and she's a complete survivor. She's 40 years old. She can do whatever she wants. Madonna's taking her all her clothes off all the time. Why can't Britney do it, you know?

And I... just think she's enjoying her life, you know, and she's free. But I'd like her to make a record. I'd like her to have a hit song, get back in studio with Mix Martin or somebody. I remember watching her perform on the X Factor UK two or three years before you judge it. I think 2008, 9, something like that. And it was a really shocking performance.

And she was only about 27. I thought this is the beginning of the end. You know, it's really all over for that. Yeah, I remember. But when I look at it now, Yeah, what to look at it now, though, Louis. I think, yeah, I think, you know, one great song, and it could be one of the all-time great comebacks, right?

Totally. Max Martin, Brittany, you get a hit. Absolutely. And she is a great pop star. She's a household name. She's got really loyal fans, you know, and she can do what she wants. So who's taking the pictures, by the way? It's not her.

So it must be her guy. Well, she's been with this guy, Tommy, for five years. She's pregnant, expecting another baby. Let me just ask you that, Tommy, even as a sort of super fan, does any part of any of this worry you a little bit in the sense that when someone does get liberated after so long under someone's control like her father, you know, it can go wrong.

Are you worried it might or do you trust the process here? I think that, you know, obviously the posts are a little weird. I'm not going to lie to you. I'm a Britney fan. I look at them and, you know, I cringe from time to time. But like I said, what celebrity isn't posting weird stuff? What celebrity isn't erratic? We've got so many other celebrities and pop stars and figures changing their gender from one day to the next.

Let Brittany do what she wants to do. She was miserable under that conservatorship. She said she was miserable. She was acute enough to understand she was miserable in that conservatorship. So you know what? If she's happy now, that's all that matters. Of course, we hope that the family and friends that she's still close to. We hope that they're watching over her and we want the best for Brittany.

But I think she's going to make a huge comeback. I think she's going to be stronger than ever and she's going to do it on her terms. I just realized you actually look a bit like Brittany. Yeah. Hey, I take that as a major compliment. I intended it as a compliment. Louis, I've got to ask you before I let you go, Simon Cowell is on the verge of a truly historic moment where it looks like he may actually get married. Do you believe it's going to happen?

What's your thought about this? I don't know. Pierce, you know as much as I do, you know. He loves himself more than anybody else, you know? So Lauren is hanging in a long time. Maybe he should get married. I don't know. He told me he never won't.

So I don't know. He's engaged. Lauren deserves it. She's hung around a long time. She deserves that way. She's a lovely lady, actually, Lauren. She's a lovely lady. He is.

I've got a feeling that he is actually going to finally crumble. Do you think so? I think so, yeah. Do you think he's married? Are you going to go? I don't know. I mean, he's so tight, isn't he? Would you invite anyone to come and drink at his?

expense, we'd have to see. We'll have to go. We'll have to go, even if we're not invited me. We should actually be best men, me and you. After all we've done to him the last 30 years, we should, or we can be wedding crashes. We can be wedding crashes if he's too mean to invite us. Tommy, I want to take you back before we let you go, Tommy.

You talked about every celebrity who has making pictures on social media. I don't know if you were familiar with my own work in Miss Jhomra. So here's my famous Burger King commercial, which was me in a... Burt Reynolds Loingcloth by a roaring half-fire. And if you believe that's my real body, you're living in Cloud Cuckoo Land. But anyway, but you're right, Tommy.

We've all done it. Got to leave it there. Great debate. I'm glad to see Brittany back. I think she's one of the all-time great pop stars. Take care of both of you, Tommy. I agree. Appreciate it.

Paul McGoo tonight, I thought it might be nice to read some classic nursery rhymes for any kids who are upway past their bedtime, except unfortunately I can't, because, of course, the vegans have cancelled them. Yes, animal rights organisation, people for the ethical treatment of animals. Peter have released woke versions of rhymes that they said make light of cruelty to animals or contain archaic negative depictions.

Grab a blanket and settle in for vegan bar-blah black sheep. Bar-bar black sheep, can I have your wool? No, sir, no, sir, that's not cool. None for the pastor, none for the dame. None for the little boy who lives down the lame. Bar-bar black sheep, can I have your wall? No, sir, no, sir. It's my wool.

For the love of God. Leave the nursery. Rhymes alone, you joyless woke. That's it from me. Have a great evening. Before I go, a word for all the woke, miserable, fun police out there trying to rewrite on nursing rhymes from Johnny Ron. Take it away, Johnny.

Shut your mouth. Keep it uncensored. Good night.