Piers Morgan Uncensored - Piers Morgan Uncensored: Live from Matt Hancock's local

Episode Date: November 15, 2022

Tonight on Piers Morgan Uncensored: Piers hosts this special edition show live from Matt Hancock's local, The Cock Inn in Little Thurlow. Piers speaks to Matt Hancock's local constituents about their ...experiences of COVID and whether Matt should be in the jungle or back home doing his job... Watch Piers Morgan Uncensored at 8 pm on TalkTV on Sky 526, Virgin Media 606, Freeview 237 and Freesat 217. Listen on DAB+ and the app.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:02 Oh yay! Oh yay! Oh yay! Oh yay! Here we are on Talk TV. The cocking at Thurlow is the place to be. Should Matt Hancock be an Australia fair or promoting his constituents' welfare? So, let's all hear your claps and cheers to welcome our host, the wonderful peers.
Starting point is 00:00:35 God bless you all. God save the king. Live from the Cock Inn in Suffolk. This is Piers Morgan Unsensored. Well, good evening from glorious Suffolk. Welcome to Piers Morgan Unsensored. A new location for the show tonight. Matt Hancock is, of course, the man who puts the cock into Hancock.
Starting point is 00:01:13 So tonight I've come to the Cock Inn, which just happens to be... Matt Hancock's local pub. The disgraced MP is, of course, 10,000 miles away in Australia, taking part in a reality television show. So far, he's been filmed eating camel penis, cow's anus, and a sheep's vagina. Apparently, this is all in the name of promoting dyslexia awareness.
Starting point is 00:01:33 Yeah, right. Actually, it's about promoting himself and transferring a 400,000-pound fee. That's why he's doing this. And, of course, too, as he put it, get forgiven. Well, here in Little Thurlow, the people he's actually paid to represent in Parliament are facing the same problems as the rest of the country and much of the world. Soaring inflation, sky-high energy bills, stagnating wages, a health service crumbling, much down to what he's been doing at it in the last couple of years.
Starting point is 00:02:02 Today, even Prime Minister Rishi Sunak condemned him, saying MPs and more parties should be busy fixing the country, and he's right. And while Hancock squirms in the Australian jungle humiliating himself yet again, It's worth remembering the record of the burke behind the smirk, because this is no laughing matter. As health secretary in a pandemic, he sent thousands of elderly patients from hospitals back to their nursing homes without testing them for COVID,
Starting point is 00:02:27 a deadly fiasco that led to thousands of unnecessary deaths. He was forced out of his job after an affair which broke not only his marriage vows, but also the lockdown rules that he imposed on the rest of us with the dire warning, don't kill your gram. The former landlord of this very person, and acquaintance of Hancock with no experience in producing medical equipment was dragged into the controversy when it was revealed he'd been given a contract worth £40 million for COVID supplies.
Starting point is 00:02:55 Hancock had been photographed pulling a pipe behind this very bar. He even had a picture of this pub on his office wall. Truly, as I said at the start, he's a man who puts the cock into the cock in. Campaigners today flew a banner across the jungle campsite in Australia that read COVID-berieved, say, get me out of here. And they're right, aren't they? Matt Hancock shouldn't be taking part in I'm a celebrity. It's not a celebrity. He's a shamed politician who caused thousands of deaths with his decision-making and who had to resign in disgrace just a few months ago. He shouldn't be cashing in on all this with either his jungle appearance or his forthcoming book of diaries.
Starting point is 00:03:34 The only thing that you're doing in his diaries is handing them over to any inquiry that goes on into COVID-19 and why the UK had the highest death toll in terms of people who died in the whole of Europe. And above all, you should be listening to the people sitting right here tonight about the very real problems they face. At the heart of an MP's work, far away from the gilded halls of Westminster, is a constituency surgery.
Starting point is 00:03:58 It's where MPs meet the people they work for in the place they call home, one-on-one, so they can understand their lives. Well, Hancock can't be bothered with that. He'd rather be eating kangaroo testicles 10,000 miles away. So I've moved in. I'm going to do his surgery for him. I'm going to meet his constituents, hear their anger, hear their problems,
Starting point is 00:04:18 and maybe even try and help them. And I'm doing it in the cock-in. Could there be a more appropriately titled pub? So let's get started. I'm joined now by the landlord of the cock-in, John Byers. John? Yeah, please. Great to see you.
Starting point is 00:04:29 Thank you very much for hosting us this evening. You're not the infamous landlord who, I should say, for legal reasons, was not established it done anything wrong. But obviously he was an acquaintance of Matt Hancock from this pub and ends up with this contract. What is the mood in this part of West Suffolk about the MP who's paid £84,000 a year to represent the people here,
Starting point is 00:04:52 gallivanting in this reality show in Australia and not doing his job? Yes, I mean, there are mixed views, but I think the majority of people that I've spoken to are aggrieved at the fact that he's, well, hasn't been doing what he should be doing, I think. I mean, I would be, if this was my MP, I'd be outraged. I'd like, where are you?
Starting point is 00:05:10 There's a cost of living crisis. There's a war raging in Europe. Yeah. There's really serious stuff happening. And he's just making a fool of himself in a jungle with all these B-LIS celebrities, not doing what he should be doing for the people of Little Thurlow. Yes.
Starting point is 00:05:24 Yeah, I mean, I'm being hit with the energy crisis. I know there is now a business cap on energy, but it's... What impact does it had on you? And it's... But it doesn't even touch the side. the help I get for the government. So to be honest, it could be a fact
Starting point is 00:05:40 of whether this pub continues come the end of the year. It could really not, it couldn't survive the year. Yeah, exactly. It's such a power-hungry business running a pub. And if Matt Ancock was here, would you be able to see him and express your concern about that? I would like to speak to him about it. But you can't, right?
Starting point is 00:05:57 No, I can't. You see, that to me cuts to the very heart of this. You should be able to have that conversation with your MP. That's what he's paid to do. That's what he was elected. to do. Yeah. And yet there's you facing potentially going under.
Starting point is 00:06:09 Yeah. Losing a pub that I imagine you love. Yes, I do. In an area that it's a beautiful country, but I grew up in a pub. So I have a great affinity with pub. It's a lovely little country pub. I'd a lovely meal that you cooked for me earlier.
Starting point is 00:06:20 And the idea that you may lose all this and that the person who should be able to help you, who's the member of Parliament for West Suffolk, is doing what he's doing, that sticks in my gullet, and I'm not you. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, no, I am fairly aggrieved at it. I must admit there's not necessarily just him.
Starting point is 00:06:38 I think a lot of MPs haven't been doing what they should have been doing for quite a long time now. So, yeah, I think there are still quite a few problems with the UK at the moment. Well, John, I appreciate you having us tonight. We're going to meet a few more people now. So if the cameras follow me, and thank you to all my guests you join me.
Starting point is 00:06:55 Some of them will have very serious stories we want to talk about a bit later in the programme. But joining me now, two of Hancock's constituents, Gary Butcher, and Am Patience. So Gary, let me start with you. you. That story just immediately has annoyed me. Yes. But the fact that this pub, that that landlord may go under, as his MP, is eating kangaroo testicles, that angers me. Does it anger you? It does. Yes. What do you make of all this? I think it's disgusting. It's completely
Starting point is 00:07:25 disgust. I think the bloke should be deselected. The money he's getting from appearing in the jungle should be donated to charity. We should have proof it's donated to charity. And his salary that is still commanding through being an MP, that should be stopped. Completely stopped. I couldn't get away of it. What'd you do for a living? Train driver. You're a train driver.
Starting point is 00:07:45 If you just didn't turn up for six weeks. I can get paid. You wouldn't get paid, right? Why should a member of Parliament be able to do this? Exactly. It's outrageous, isn't it? What is the difference? You have a particular complaint at the moment about inability to see a dentist.
Starting point is 00:07:57 They're all private around this. What are you doing about that? I'm going back to Bishop Stalk, sorry, Southamorden, where my original dentist, that I'm registered with. I can't get a dentist. Anyone near it? Several Bordons, how far away? Probably 20 miles.
Starting point is 00:08:13 20 miles to go and see a dentist. Now, if your MP was here and having surgeries with the constituents, you could raise that with it. I've already raised it with him, but he won't answer the emails. He wouldn't answer your emails. Is that right?
Starting point is 00:08:24 Yes. Yeah. So even when he's here, he's useless? Yeah, completely. So you think he should have gone after the pandemic, the way he handled it, and then particularly the way he had to leave government
Starting point is 00:08:34 for breaking his own rules? The pandemic is very difficult. It's something no one's experienced before. You give him a bit of a pass? A slight pass. But what about breaking his own rules? He's disgusting. The right to go, but should he be allowed now to do a book and profit from it?
Starting point is 00:08:49 No. No, why should it? No. No, why? Anne, you voted Conservative for 50 years. Yes. But now you're not going to again? The last two times I haven't know.
Starting point is 00:09:02 I just don't know who I'm going to vote for. You've got re-smog. at the back of the Conservatives. You've got Corbyn types at the back of the labours. When did you last vote Conservative then? Oh, eight years ago. Oh, right. So you've been turned off by them for a while.
Starting point is 00:09:17 Yeah. Why? The MPs of today just don't come up to what they used to be. The state of the country today is unbelievable. I was a war baby and lived through 10 years of rationing and saw the country come up and up and up. And now we're just going down and down and down. You're the treasurer of the village hall, I think, aren't you?
Starting point is 00:09:43 That's correct. So you have a good community role here, and you take care of people in the community. What do you feel about your MP, just doing what he's doing, and not actually doing his job? I can't believe him. He's needed here.
Starting point is 00:09:57 Charity begins in his constituency. Yeah, I mean, the only charity he's really serving knows himself. I've not heard of him mentioned dyslexia. It's not been heard on air much at all. That's not why he's there. We all know that. He's there because he wants forgiveness. And he wants us to all say, none of this matters. And here's a load of money.
Starting point is 00:10:13 Yes. Tell that to people who are trying to heat their houses and eat. How tough is it at the moment for people, do you think? Well, around here at the moment, it's not showing. But there's lots of places in the area that are probably suffering. I mean, not there are people who are literally making a choice between eating and heating. I've read about this, but is that happening? I don't know at the moment.
Starting point is 00:10:38 At the moment, we are trying to get warmth and heat to people in the village hall. The WI are going to put events on and have warm food and... Because at the moment, I have to say, it's not too cold yet. No. It really isn't. But it could turn quite quickly. We're heading towards December, then January, February. What's going to happen here to people who don't have much,
Starting point is 00:11:05 money and can't afford the heating bills. Well, as I say, the WI are going to put various vents on. And the village hall is very warm. And hopefully there will be somewhere for them to go. I mean, it's incredible that that has to happen. What's your message to Matt Hancock? If he was watching this, he's not, because he's got no access to television. But if he did, what would you say to him?
Starting point is 00:11:33 I wouldn't vote for him again. What would you say to him about what he's done, his dereliction of duty? It's just disgusting. He's not paid to go out to the jungle. He's paid to be here. The amount of holidays that MPs have, Boris Johnson was away when he should have been in Parliament. His dad's over there.
Starting point is 00:11:53 You can take it out on him. He's used to it. His death breaks the rules as well. And then Matt Hancox, he's supposed to be here. Well, he is. And Gary, what would your message to him be? If you were able to talk to it? Don't show your face. We don't want you. Stay in Australia? Yeah. You think you should be deselected as an MP?
Starting point is 00:12:13 I certainly do. You do? Because that can happen. Yeah, I think it should. And do you think that's the mood of most people? Most people I speak to, yes. Most friends of yours feel the same. If it wasn't the people like Andy and the WI eating their village hole, there are going to be people who are going to decide between food.
Starting point is 00:12:29 They're up. I think it's going to get very serious for. I do. Thank you both. Very much indeed for joining me. Well, let's go now to another part of the pub. You'll be unsurprised to hear my next three guests are already drinking. They are, of course, the former I'm a celebrity contestant, Stanley Johnson, former Conservative Minister, Anne Whitakam. Another former I'm a celebrity contestant Christine Hamilton. Welcome.
Starting point is 00:12:47 What a starry pack we have in the cock-in tonight. Anne, you've just heard those two, just local constituents. They're regular people. They're not celebrities. They're not being paid vast sums of money to go to a jungle because I don't qualify to better do that. but their anger is palpable, and their concern about what may happen to people here, is palpable. Well, I've said throughout that he should not be in the jungle
Starting point is 00:13:10 and that no MP should take that sort of extensive time off just for a reality show. I mean, it's not even recess, dissession, quite apart from the constituents, which you've highlighted. He's not voting. He's not in a partial rule. So I've always said that he should not be there, and I've used the phrase that you used,
Starting point is 00:13:30 dereliction of duty. Having said that, I've been rather surprised at the way he's performed in the jungle and the way that the campmates are now starting to fall. And that does surprise me. To me, it's making me vomit. Because they're all like warming to him, to this con act, right? There's this guy, you know, doing all the challenges, eating all the bugs, all this kind of thing. Whoopi-do.
Starting point is 00:13:54 And they're all like high-fiving him. And they're all, you know, cheering him. But that's not how they started off. And that is why I'm actually quite intrigued by what is going on in that jungle, because they started off very, very... Well, it's human nature, because they're all... Look, Christy, they're all hungry.
Starting point is 00:14:10 They're all a team. You have to work together. They're probably quite pleased he's not doing so badly in the challenges he brings back food for them. They're delighted because, as you say, they're getting... Without him doing well in the challenges. And let's be fair to Matt Hancock
Starting point is 00:14:22 for just a moment, if you can just bear with me, he has done brilliantly on those challenges. He has done every single one, whether it's eating or... Here's a thing, Christine. He has done well. I can't watch it. I stop watching because I actually feel so incensed. When I think back to friends of mine who had to say goodbye to their mothers on FaceTime in carehomes,
Starting point is 00:14:40 because the COVID virus had ripped through a care home because nobody had been tested when they got sent back from hospitals. I think of Matt Hancock in that jungle. And it makes me so angry. So do I. All I was just trying to say that he has done those trials well, which is one reason why his campmates are feeling good towards him because he's putting food in their stomachs.
Starting point is 00:14:57 But you've had politics in your veins since you were... Far too long. Right. So what do you make of the principle of this member of parliament doing this? Absolutely. He should not be there. And the people who he is insulting, most of all, the people sitting
Starting point is 00:15:11 in this pub, his constituents. Secondly, he is insulting the taxpayer who is paying him very... Most people think that, what is it, 85,000 years a pretty good salary. He's taking all that while he's there. And the other people that he is insulting are the people who really suffered during COVID.
Starting point is 00:15:27 He simply should not be there. It's disgraceful. You're a world expert in defending the Ineventable, so off you go. Yeah, I'm getting the impression tonight that there's a certain feeling that they're not very keen on Matt Hancock. I notice that you've taken that view rather strongly. I'm going to take a slightly different view. I must confess I've actually known Matt Hancock for well. We were at the same college, at the same university, though not actually at the same time.
Starting point is 00:15:56 I was at Exeter College. He was there too, Oxford. that he was there about 50 years after me. That said, I have known him, and I've always been extremely impressed by him as a chap. I first met him, by the way, when he was just in the business of losing 14 kilos. Why was he losing 14 kilos,
Starting point is 00:16:12 so he could ride a horse in a new market race and give the winnings to the disabled jockey's fund, which it jolly well did. Now, that to me exemplifies the man. All this idea... But he doesn't exemplify the man to me. Piers, Piers, Piers, I want to... I want to go on. I want to go on. The idea that you can only serve your constituents by being present in your constituency. That is garbage. It is total garbage. He, to my mind, he can't do it from the middle of the jungle.
Starting point is 00:16:41 Oh, yes, he can't. Let me explain. There's a man there who can't see a dentist within 20 miles. There's a woman treasurer from the local town hall. Do you want me to say something or not? Mr. Stanley, this is a reality chair. Okay, let me answer. The way he is helping his constituents, I know there's a high. highly literate constituency, but there will nonetheless be some constituency here who are maybe dyslexic, and by the way, that's a very prevalent disease, if it is a disease. There are certainly people here who would like to get their children into the Cambridge hospital, and he's about, he has been working hard as a health minister. But he's not in there to raise awareness.
Starting point is 00:17:18 Sorry, sorry, sorry. He is there because he is using this opportunity. And I know it because when I went in, I said, I'm going to talk about diversity, biodiversity. time it's outstanding we don't know we can't just talk all night thing about dyslexia we haven't heard anything about dyslexia it's not nothing to do with dyslexia we're talking about dyslexia all the time this is all about the rehabilitation i haven't son who's dyslexic so i would care if he had it's nothing to do with dyslexia he's a shower he's brought this issue it's all about him wanting forgiveness from the public anyway look i've got to
Starting point is 00:17:51 leave it there we're going to come back to the pack a little later when we'll hear more stories and i want to see stanley if any part of this changes your mind We'll be back from the cock in after the break. Everyone's had their say about the world's most famous footballers. Now, it's his turn. Let me start by asking you, why are you doing this interview? I think it's the time to say something. 90 minutes with Cristiano Ronaldo.
Starting point is 00:18:25 Cristiano! An exclusive that's rock a sports world. Wednesday and Thursday nights at APM only on Piers Morgan Uncensored. Welcome back to Matt Hancock's local. called Parba, appropriately named the cock-in. I'm here with some of his constituents. And we're pondering what he's doing in Australia rather than doing his job here.
Starting point is 00:18:59 Let's remind ourselves of his performance as our health secretary in the pandemic. I'm really struck by the fact that you feel incensed that we're not thanking you enough for your handling of this pandemic. You and your team, actually, I was asking to thank. You didn't save lives, did you?
Starting point is 00:19:15 We've got 130,000 deaths, the worst death toll in Europe. We have one of the worst death deaths rates in the world. So I just don't know why I should be thanking you. I committed to delivering that testing for people going from hospital into care homes when we could do it. I then went away and built the testing capacity for all sorts of reasons and all sorts of uses, including this one, and then delivered on the commitment that I made. Do you know what it is actually? What I'm really looking for is a bit of forgiveness.
Starting point is 00:19:48 Well, joining me now is Julie Goodwin, whose husband sadly died from COVID. Local resident and reformed candidate Edmund Fordham. His family had to visit his mother in order during the pandemic. And local resident, Jiminy Jackson, whose grandfather died from COVID. So three people who've all had firsthand experience of this awful virus and this terrible pandemic. Let me start with you, Julie. You don't actually come from around here. When you heard about this, you contacted us.
Starting point is 00:20:16 And you wanted to come all the way down from Nottingham where you live, to have your say about Matt Hancock. Why did you feel so determined to do that? Well, I just can't believe that he's in there, you know, when there's a cost of living crisis going on. It should be here for his constituents. Your husband, Charlie, he was a paramedic. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:40 And he was just 61 when he got COVID and he died. And I, in fact, read out his name on Good Morning Britain. And that's when you heard about what we were doing here. that was the connection that we had. I remember doing that as part of a number of care and health workers who died. I presume that, like most people whose loved ones died in the pandemic, very few people could be at the funeral? No, we could only have 15, and we were one at lucky ones.
Starting point is 00:21:04 And you were obeying the lockdown rules to do that, of course. Well, we was locked in. He left a special needs daughter and a son, and I couldn't come out the house. And when I could come out, we had to organise all his funeral on the front garden. But you obeyed all the rules? I did.
Starting point is 00:21:22 I was too scared to do anything else. So when you heard that Matt Hancock, who told you, you know, your grandmother can die with all the adverts if you don't take it seriously to do the rules, when you heard he'd broken the rules himself with his affair, how did that make you feel? Terrible.
Starting point is 00:21:38 Absolutely terrible. One rule for him, one rule for everyone else? Exactly, yeah, one rule for him and one for everybody else. Such as us, what, heard, suffered bereavement, We didn't matter to him. It's all, I mean, Gemini Jackson, you had a similar thing with your grandfather. Tell me about that.
Starting point is 00:21:55 He was 101 when he got COVID. And you weren't able to be where you wanted to be? No, we weren't. My granddad was in a care home, and we obviously, we all had to stay away, and we weren't unable to visit. We were one of the lucky ones, really, because he had a downstairs room, so we were able to see him, sorry, through the... glass window.
Starting point is 00:22:19 So, but you could just see him just every day, just giving up during the lockdown. And, yeah, granddad sadly passed away. And you feel as a family that because you weren't able to see him in the last period of his life, that actually loneliness was a contributing factor? I believe, yeah, granddad. We believe that as a family, loneliness killed granddad because he's family. were everything to him and we were his life. And without us, he couldn't understand.
Starting point is 00:22:55 He didn't have, you know, he was able to walk. He fully understood what was happening, but he didn't understand the pandemic. So what do you feel about Matt Hangog? I think you've got a slightly less hostile view of it. Why? Because I believe in second chances, because I believe that people can make huge, huge mistakes.
Starting point is 00:23:15 but I also believe in forgiving. I think my granddad always taught us not to hold a grudge, Pierce, and that if I'm going to hold that hatred and that anger to him, I'm going to be bitter and I'm going to be angry, and that's a waste of energy. I mean, my anger at him is more, not that I don't think he deserves to have a life after all this, but he's not been held accountable by any public inquiry. It wasn't just Matt Hancock. No, no, but he wants the health secretary.
Starting point is 00:23:48 Yep. And he did end up being five of breaking his own rules and all these things. When you add up the charge sheet, it's pretty bad. And we've not had an inquiry yet into this. So him profiting so greatly from what's gone down, I find distasteful. That's my argument with it. It's more the timing on what he's doing. Let me bring in Dr. Eben Fordham.
Starting point is 00:24:06 You're the Reform UK candidate for West Suffolk. What do you think about the MP doing what he's doing? Well, I think, you know, you've said it. other people have said it already, it goes to the heart of our system of government that all, every one of us gets to elect a member of parliament to go and represent us in the Palace of Westminster. And I do actually think it's rather important that they're around to do their job. I mean, I agree with you on this.
Starting point is 00:24:33 And that's the fundamental thing. What are the big issues... It doesn't matter what your politics are. Right. What are the big issues around here, which he should be really dealing with? Well, the one... basis. Okay, so I'll give you an example because the thing I have got my teeth stuck into is the issue of this humongous solar farm complex that's straddling West Suffolk and southeast Cambridge, just north of Newmarket, and it's going to be the size of new market
Starting point is 00:25:02 and ex-thing put together and it produces what, in my opinion, as a physicist and engineer, is a completely piffling amount of solar energy. So you're trying to stop it? I'm trying to stop it. And Matt has said he's against it. Both of the MPs involved in both constituencies have said they're against it. He's headed up a protest march against this solar farm. And what's your fear now? So what, but let me tell you this, Pierce, because when this story broke,
Starting point is 00:25:27 I was actually engaged in the opening session of the public examination into this solar farm proposal. I was, you know, bending my brains out going all over, those, those of these legal documents and listening carefully to the arguments and putting in my own opinions. And where's Mac Hancock? I get my phone going when I'm trying to concentrate on this stuff and the story's broken that he's in Australia. I couldn't believe what I would say. It's insane. I mean, Julia Wynn, the more stories I hear like this down here, we've heard a lot before we even selected who we talked to, many, many more.
Starting point is 00:26:06 But all these stories really, I think, are illustrative of how bad this is. And it's not because I totally get where you come from about second chances. I believe in that. Everyone's entitled to redemption. But to be paid hundreds and hundreds of thousands of pounds to go and humiliate himself on television across in Australia, when things are so bad for so many people in so many parts of the country, I just find disgraceful. It is disgraceful because this point. people having to choose between eating and putting the eating on.
Starting point is 00:26:40 Right. And that's how bad it is. And do you know people who are in that position? I do, yeah. Up at my end, yeah. I'm hearing it down here as well. It's the same thing. Yeah, there's a lot.
Starting point is 00:26:50 Would you ever vote for someone like Matt Hancock? No, no, because my husband would... Would you? Pierce, this is happening throughout the country, though. This is not just here. The people are struggling... He's the only MPs doing this. Okay, I get that, but what are the MPs doing
Starting point is 00:27:03 that are actually in their areas? What are they doing? Well, at least they're in their constituents. There's people starving. There's people not having, they're heating on and not eating. They're meeting their constituents, right? I mean, that is. But what are they doing?
Starting point is 00:27:15 Well, to me, meeting your constituents is the most important thing a politician does. It is, actually. And they should be voting. Meeting your constituents, hearing their concerns, acting on it, and voting in Parliament. He's not doing any of these things. But what are they doing? I admire your forgiving nature. I'd be less forgiving in your position with what happened with you and your grandfather.
Starting point is 00:27:35 Final question quickly, Dr. Fordham, are you going to try and stop Matt Hancock, get him deselected? You're going to push for that? Well, whether he's de-selected or not, he's actually up to his party. What I've done this afternoon is launched on change.org a petition saying, recall Matt Hancock,
Starting point is 00:27:52 which any constituent in West Suffolk, is more than welcome to sign. And really what ought to be happening is, you know, deselection, that's up to his own party. But what ought to be happening is that we all ought to have a resignation and a by-election. And then the voters of West Suffolk can choose whom so whether they please to represent them in place.
Starting point is 00:28:11 Go to leave you there. Gemini, thank you very much indeed. Julie, thank you very much indeed for coming all the way from Nottingham. And Evan, thank you very much indeed. We're lots more. From the increasingly annoyed cock-in after the break. Oh, yay. Oh, yay.
Starting point is 00:28:48 We shall discuss a former minister. Is here, Sir Lab. or someone sinister. Could Matt become king of the jungle? Or will it be another bongle? God save the king. Well, welcome back to the cock-in, Matt Hancock's regular pub when he's not eating kangaroo
Starting point is 00:29:19 testicles 10,000 miles away, of course. I'm with Matt Hancock's constituents, the ones he's not seeing at the moment because he's transferring hundreds of thousands of pounds to do what he's doing in that jungle. But there is a cost of living crisis. NHS on its knees and where's their MP he's doing this the person they want to see face tentacles of terror is Matt Matt
Starting point is 00:29:46 they are on tell me yeah there's a load of slurry just fall on the head come on slippery little suckers horrible I've changed at this moment how is this friend of this think through oh no that is disgusting I mean, it's become part of my morning routine. You know, you get up, you brush your teeth, have a shave, do a trial, go back for lunch. Well, joining me now, a Conservative Council
Starting point is 00:30:18 of West Suffolk, Ian Holder, local residents Sarah Diaf, and Martin Williams. Thank you all for joining me. I can't even watch that anymore, because to me, it just sticks in my gullet too much. And let me say to you, Councillor Holder, I don't care that he's conservative. I wouldn't care what his party is.
Starting point is 00:30:34 To me, it's not about party. They happen to be the party of government when the pandemic hit. Matt Hancock has to be. happen to be the health secretary. I judge him on his actions in a pandemic. I don't care that he's a conservative. I don't against him for being a conservative. You are a conservative. What is your view of it?
Starting point is 00:30:50 Well, as you say, I'm a conservative. My view, when it all came out on the television, I was horrified that our health minister could deceive the country for so long, wegging his finger, as you said, don't kill my granny, do all these restrictions. you'll be fined. You know, it was daily for months.
Starting point is 00:31:14 And then suddenly we find that it doesn't mean anything to him. He can do what he likes. I think that's been... So it's the hypocrisy of what he did, really. Absolutely. Now, I wrote immediately to him on email, his parliamentary address, but more importantly,
Starting point is 00:31:31 to the West Suffolk Conservative Association. What were you saying? I was saying, this is appalling, and we should start the process to get him decently. elected. Right, so he went as a government cabinet minister, but you want him decent as an MP gone. Gone. And now he's deserting his constituents to do what he's doing, even more so, I imagine. Well, yeah, and the same association that circle the wagons around
Starting point is 00:31:57 him wrote back to me and said, you know, we've forgiven him, you know, we've accepted his heartfelt apology, for God's sake. And he's back in the first. He's back in the first. He's back in the Did we the members of that association get a vote? No, of course not. My email was full of ire from members of that. And more so since he's gone into Australia in this jungle? I haven't... No, actually not.
Starting point is 00:32:25 I think everybody has thrown their hands up in horror and the Conservative Association issued a letter saying, how disappointed me. Yeah, but that's not enough, is it, to give him dis-ledded? Sarah Death, you have a 10-year-old boy. he's special educational needs. And there's an issue in this area, which means at the moment he's not getting what he should be getting.
Starting point is 00:32:45 And your MP that you could be taking it up with is in Australia. What do you feel? Disappointed. It's shameful. He wants forgiveness and he thought he'd go on TV to try and get it. I mean, I don't care that he gets forgiven. I want him to do his job.
Starting point is 00:33:02 You get forgiveness actually by doing your job properly. Then people may look more fondly on it. Absolutely. Doing what he's doing in this jungle for massive amounts of money in a cost of living crisis. Yeah. It's disgusting. When your boy isn't getting the help he needs. Because West Suffolk Council haven't got the funding they need to move this process ahead. My boy is waiting for an EHCP.
Starting point is 00:33:23 He's waiting for a diagnosis. But there's families out there that are suffering that have been waiting years. Have you written down? I haven't, no. Would you be potentially going to see him if he was here? If he was here, of course I would. Absolutely. Yeah, but what I want to try and get across is that there's families out there that children haven't got places in schools
Starting point is 00:33:45 or they're being given EHCP's educational healthcare plans and they're not being stuck to. It's not even worth the paper it's written on. So what would your message be to him if you could see it? Donate the money that you earned from what you're doing and help kids in the flipping vicinity that need it. Like your boy? Like my boy.
Starting point is 00:34:07 Yeah, like my boy. We'll try and get some help for you. Okay? We'll try and do the job he should do. Absolutely. So that's why I wanted to meet people like you. Just say, look, if he won't do it, we'll try and do it. Okay, we'll take it up.
Starting point is 00:34:19 Martin, you're a local resident. What do you make of all this? Well, I've actually been a very vocal supporter of Matt over the last two or three years through the pandemic. I even bumped into him once and thanked him for his efforts, not performance, his efforts throughout that time. This whole jungle thing I completely disagree with. He should be locally staying where he should be to meet constituents.
Starting point is 00:34:44 We've got a local issue in Newmarket at the moment where buses have been cancelled. The local stagecoach company have cut all the routes to Cambridge and Beres and Edmunds, and it's causing real hardship for people who want to get the hospital appointments. And he should be dealing with it? Yes. He did, to be fair to him, he did mention it and come out against the fact that they're being cut. But, of course, all that's fallen by the wayside since he's been... I mean, I get the people who say, you know, we've got to move on from the pandemic. And I don't actually believe that Matt Hancock deliberately tried to kill people.
Starting point is 00:35:15 Yeah. I think he made catastrophically bad errors of judgment. I don't think he did it deliberately knowing what would happen. But he did make terrible decisions in the first phase of that pandemic, which cost a lot of lives. And it's incredibly serious when that happens. Then he has to lose his job for breaking his own rules, which I think most people think...
Starting point is 00:35:34 found disgusting. And now he's profiting from all this by deserting his constituents. And that's my real problem, is that he's deserting the constituents when they most need him. Constituents like D.F. here. Well, as I say, with the buses, is the local issue, but with the broader cost of living? Sarah, I'm sorry. Sarah, Diaf. My apologies. I think it's very exotic names, I don't know. The broader cost of living crisis, I mean, I'm on a relatively low income. I'm working six days a week at the moment to make ends meet. And a lot of people in that situation, as it goes on with mortgage rates going up, it's going to cripple
Starting point is 00:36:09 a lot of people. This is what matters to us at the moment. Have you run out of tolerance for Matt Hancock, run out forgiveness? I wouldn't say that I've run out, but I judge the situation as it happens. So I'm judging this jungle thing in isolation from... And what's your immediate verdict on him? Well, he shouldn't be there. He shouldn't be there. It's embarrassing, isn't it? You have your MP, do?
Starting point is 00:36:31 doing this? Eating kangaroo testicles? Yeah, I mean, I've never seen the program. I haven't been watching it since he's been in, but it's not particularly edifying, is it really? Thank you to all of you. I hope we get you some action. Maybe you could help with that, actually, no, I think about it.
Starting point is 00:36:44 Get him to do a bit more of a shift. Thank you all very much indeed. We appreciate it. Lots more from the cock-in after the break-filling reaction from my pack again. See if Stanley Johnson has changed his mind when he's been hearing some of these stories. It's a tough nut to crack.
Starting point is 00:36:57 We'll find out if he's cracked after the break. Welcome back to Piers Morgan Uncensored, live from the cock-in in Little Thurlow, which is the constituency of Matt Hancock, who's in Australia, deserting his duty as a member of Parliament, of course, to take part in despicable, embarrassing, humiliating trials. I want to come back to my pack here. So let me ask you, Stanley. We've got another VT, everyone.
Starting point is 00:37:37 What is it? Let's play it. Well, hello. Oh, hello, mate. I can imagine that this hasn't gone down well. Fix out like I saw some. All I heard is bull-h-h-b-h-bull-h-h-h. There's so few ways in which politicians can show that we're human beings. I can't help but think, he should be at work.
Starting point is 00:38:03 What I'm really looking for is a bit of forgiveness. That's what I'm really looking for. Hey. Oh my God, I nearly cried then. That took my shit to say that. Oh, go be brilliant. Matt Hancock is our leader. words that nobody in Britain ever thought that they would hear.
Starting point is 00:38:21 Oh, that's comfortable. Oh, it's never seen so. I mean, I'm sorry, I just makes me vomit, listening to him do that, celebrating, being treated like some sort of hero. Christine, I just, this to me great, and I've seen a lot of people on Twitter, by the way, and other social media platforms getting increasingly angry. There are others that are warming to him, falling in.
Starting point is 00:38:56 him falling for this act, but there are many, many people where this, they're really saying, what is he doing in there? Well, this, he just said it on that clip. This is a good way to show people that politicians are normal people. There are a million and one ways to show that politicians are normal people. And you do that in your constituency. You do that here. You do it in all sorts of ways in Westminster.
Starting point is 00:39:19 You do not have to go to the other side of the world and be paid. How often do politicians? Allegedly $400,000. There are so many ways to do it. And how often do politicians, if they're in the constituency, have a surgery with their constituents? Most will do it weekly.
Starting point is 00:39:37 In some very big rural constituencies, they'll do it fortnightly because you don't quite get the pressure that you get from there. But you would hear this kind of stories I've been hearing tonight. But can I just say one thing? Probably, and Christine will know this, because she worked for Neil Hamilton.
Starting point is 00:39:52 The, about nine out of every ten cases, actually handled by the staff because they know what to do. And the MP comes in when the clout is needed. Right. So that doesn't change anything to make. That's not the point. I understand. I haven't said that that makes it right. I haven't said that and I don't want to be portrayed as having so that. But I'm saying that when you're portraying this picture of great neglect
Starting point is 00:40:15 and that the constituents can't get anything done, they can in most cases. All right. Because members of staff can use the name of the MP. You're quite right. To which my answer would be, we don't need an MP then. So, Stanley, have you changed your mind of it, Emily? No, I've certainly not changed my mind. I think Alan's just made a good point.
Starting point is 00:40:35 MP does not have to be in his constituency to do his job all the time. They should be, Stanley. No, let me finish on this one. There are big jobs and they're important jobs which don't necessarily have to be done in the constituency. There are big issues with you. He's not doing any jobs. Oh, he is, he is.
Starting point is 00:40:52 What's he doing? I can tell you what he's doing. I'm not going to repeat what I'm going to repeat what I said. I'm not going to talk about chestery. He's eating camel penis. That's what he's doing. He's that big in self-up with his constituents. Look, the constituents have you just said and will survive very well without Matt Ancock being there. What is it important?
Starting point is 00:41:12 Hold on. Let me tell you, sir. On December the second. Someone may not survive. No, no, no, no. Listen to something factual. On December the 2nd, Parliament is taking the second reading of the dyslexia and special teacher training bill. Now, Matt Hancock has managed to bring that to Parliament's table on December 2nd. For the second reading, it's brilliant.
Starting point is 00:41:30 Right. Is he still enough? Hold on. Here's my point. What happens he's still enough? If he's that capable, what the hell is he doing then not doing his job? Because what he is doing and what he has done and what will be immensely beneficial to him on December the second is that everybody will realize this is an absolutely vital. As you has pointed out, there are one out of four young children suffer from dyslexia. There's a clear link.
Starting point is 00:41:53 He may not even be here for that. What have he still there? It's got nothing to do with him being in the jungle. It's only here for me, Christine. Well, it hasn't. I mean, he says he's going in there to raise awareness of dyslexia. All right. All right, we are talking about it now, and we probably wouldn't be.
Starting point is 00:42:08 But that is not why he's doing that. That is so disingenuous. He's doing it for the money, and he wants to try and rehabilitate himself. And it is absolutely disgraceful that he is not here in his dyslexia from the jungle. No. That's not true. And what happens if on December the... Look, I have followed Matt Hancock's career as a charity worker for the last 20 years,
Starting point is 00:42:28 and I can tell you it is an excellent, excellent. Please answer that very basic question, Stanley. On December the 2nd, if he's still in the jungle, how is he going to promote that? He's not going to be in the jungle on December 2nd. He'll be out. And he will be back in Parliament wearing the laurel crown of the winner. Rubbish. Absolute rubbish.
Starting point is 00:42:51 Hank? I'm going to leave with that. Finally, as ever, you managed to almost try and defend the indefensible. But luckily, you were held to account by these two, very admirably. Let's go back and talk to the more constituents. Okay, so I've brought the wrong card. So I knew at some stage I'd drop a clangier, and there it is. So there we are.
Starting point is 00:43:10 So I'm joined by two more constituents. Welcome to you. Welcome to you. So Sean O'Connell and Michael pitchers, Sean, let me start with you. You work in, I think, waste managers, is that right? You've heard this defence from Stanley Johnson that actually he does some good things and doesn't need to be here for most of it.
Starting point is 00:43:27 What do you think? I think as a constituency MPE's been decidedly anonymous for the whole of his tenure. I do appreciate he had a ministerial position. What qualifications he had to be a ministerial for that position is debatable, PPE. Do you forgive him? You want forgiveness?
Starting point is 00:43:46 You're not going to get it by going on a television programme and trousers in 400k. Really. I don't think so. But I'm up to my amazement. Some people are beginning to, quote, warm to him. No, not really.
Starting point is 00:43:58 It's not the format for that. You should be in his constituents. And you've got a particular thing about local buses, I think. Yeah, well, the buses are a bit of an issue in the market. But there are particularly challenging areas in his constituency that could do with his... He should be getting on a sorting. Michael, you are high risk. You had to shield for three months.
Starting point is 00:44:19 No outdoor space. horrendous experience for you. When you saw not just Matt Hancock, but Dominic Cummings, breaking the rules, Boris Johnson and all his number 10 staff, getting fined by the police and so on, what do that make you feel, given what you had to go through? My house backed on to an old people's home, and I witnessed body bags being brought out, surrounded by people in hazmat suits. That really brings the situation home. And what they did was despicable, breaking their own rules for their own gratitude. I think they are answerable and going into the jungle is not the right way.
Starting point is 00:44:57 He's... He's... Completely. He's asking for forgiveness, which implies that he knows he's done something wrong. Right. But I know that when the inquiry comes, he will dig his hills in and he will defend his... But he will have already profited massively. Completely. From the infamy of being, in my opinion, a terrible health secretary and then an absolutely shameful
Starting point is 00:45:17 cabinet minister court breaking his own rules. He shouldn't be allowed to profit from it. He's moving into a celebrity status on the back of being one of the worst health secretaries. The back of people literally dying. Correct, correct. I mean, to me, it's absolutely shameful. Thank you, both of you. I appreciate it.
Starting point is 00:45:31 I want to come back to my extremely, I've got to say, animated and engaged audience tonight, all local constituents here. What do you make of this? Let me just show of hands. Anybody here feel that Matt Hancock's done a good job and should keep his job as an MP? I mean, literally, three hands, three hands. If you had a chance to vote on I'm a celebrity for him to be king of the jungle, who would vote for him to be king of the jungle?
Starting point is 00:46:00 I haven't watched it. One hand. You haven't watched it. Okay, but everybody, one hand would vote him to be king of the jungle. And I guess the most crucial question then is, given there's clearly most people here are against Matt Hancock and probably share a lot of my views about this.
Starting point is 00:46:15 If that is the case, then you don't have to wait. till there's another election. He can deselect it. It has to be driven by his own party, but he could be deselected. Show me your hands here who would like to see him removed as an MP through deselection? I mean, most hands here, I'd say at least two-thirds,
Starting point is 00:46:34 maybe three-quarters. There's a mechanism, but it's not happening yet. Right, and that's entirely true. Thank you very much for joining me. So there, the people have spoken from this part of West Suffolk, which is Matt Hancock's constituency, and they've spoken with their hands. Hancock, come back and face the judgment.
Starting point is 00:46:51 Whatever you're up to tonight, keep it uncensored. I'm going to get a pint of cock and the cock in. Thank you very much.

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