Piers Morgan Uncensored - Piers Morgan Uncensored: Liz Truss becomes PM and should we show mercy to Shamima Begum?

Episode Date: September 6, 2022

On tonight's episode of Piers Morgan Uncensored, Piers discusses new Prime Minister Liz Truss' shake up of the government and her 'big energy bailout'. Piers looks at policing and asks: have they lost control of broken Britain? Piers also debates whether we should show mercy to Shamima Begum. Watch Piers Morgan Uncensored at 8pm on TalkTV on Sky 526, Virgin Media 627, Freeview 237 and Freesat 217. Listen on DAB+ and app.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Tonight, Pierce Morgan, uncensored, sealed by the royal hand. Now, Prime Minister Trust shakes up the British government, but how will she pay for her big energy bailout? As crime hits a 20-year high, have police lost control of Broken Britain. Fast trafficking victim or playing the victim, should we show mercy to ISIS bride Shemima Begham and allow her back to the UK. Live from London, this is Pearce Morgan uncensored.

Well, good evening. Welcome to Pierce Morgan Unsensitive. My little rant last night about the state of Broken Britain has had about two million views so far across various platforms, suggesting it hit a nerve with you, the viewers, and I'm not surprised because we're all feeling, aren't we, that this country is careering out of control. And the person who's been charged with putting it back on the rails is Liz Truss. Well, nothing will be straightforward for the new Prime Minister. She's Britain's fourth PM in six years, and she steps directly into a... cost of living crisis, an energy crisis, a health crisis, a crime crisis, a migrant crisis,

even a sewage and a mercy crisis. It's a crisis of crises. And they say, don't they, that you need to be a lucky general. Well, she couldn't have started worse really. First of all, it rained on her parade, quite literally, just rained, rained and rained after Boris this morning sailed off in bright sunshine. And then when she went up to Scotland, Liz's trust, to meet the Queen have it all formalised. Well, she got stuck in the air. Wasn't able to land for quite a while. That's not a good start for any general, is it?

A lot of rain and stuck in the air. I hope things improved for List Trust, because honestly, I want her to succeed. Anyway, the Queen ratified this from Balmoral. Liz Trust is the new Prime Minister, and tonight she's got this burgeoning entree of problems to deal with. Well, she addressed the nation. I was going to bring in the best bits of it,

but actually we were going through it a little earlier and we decided there weren't many. In fact, this was probably the most memorable thing she said. Thank you. Thank you. Well, I'm sure she's very grateful for the job. I'll be grateful if she keeps her promise and fixes the problems that we have.

The speech was light on detail. In fact, there wasn't a detail in the speech, and that is worrying, I think. But trust did say she'll unveil help on the rocketing cost of energy later this week. Reports suggesting she's preparing a bailout of up to 100 billion pounds to keep families and businesses afloat. Bills could be capped reportedly at 2.5,000 pounds. But how she's going to pay for this remains unclear, particularly given her commitment to actually cut taxes. And who she's going to rely on to help navigate the storm,

whilst becoming a little clearer tonight. Her first cabinet appointments include her close friend and ally to raise a coffee. as Health Secretary and Deputy Prime Minister. Suella Braverman is the new Home Secretary. James Cleverley becomes Foreign Secretary. Quasi Quartain will be the Chancellor. Basically, everybody who didn't suck up to Liz Truss has been shoved out the door, which is what tends to happen in these things.

Let's get into all this with my gloriously exotic Peerspack tonight. I'm joined by Talk TV presenter Richard Tice, political commentator Grace Blakely, best-selling author Douglas Murray, New York Post columnist Maureen, and Talk TV political editor Kate. McCabele, welcome to all of you. Kate, let me start with you.

A busy, busy, busy night going on down there in Westminster. Not really that surprising. Everybody who didn't support List Trust fired unceremoniously and all the suckups get all the top jobs. Well, that's certainly one way of putting it. And it is what we are starting to see

in those early, big appointments. Those people who've been closest to Liz Trust throughout this campaign to raise coffee, as you said, top job, Deputy Prime Minister and Health Secretary a really significant part of the three-point plan that Liz Trust announced today in Downing Street. And others too, Quasi Qatang. Now, he is going to have one of the most difficult jobs in government.

I think of any of the last couple of governments because he's going to have to tackle the energy crisis. He's going to potentially have to announce, as you said there, a hundred billion-plus plan to solve the energy bill problem that Liz Truss is now faced with. And that, it sounds like, could go on borrowing, just essentially topping up what is already a significant debt. pile that the UK government is sitting on. Now, some in list trust is in a circle are not

particularly worried about that. They think that the UK economy can grow and that ultimately things will be fine. But there are others who are a little bit more worried and concerned still that it might not be enough and ultimately list trust may have to go further if, as we expect, this plan will potentially run out sometime around Christmas next year. So an unenviable task, but as you say, so far, a cabinet stuffed with loyalist, perhaps not surprising, but there will be those in Westminster, and some of them were wandering the corridors with their phones, just held out in front of them, just, you know, looking for a bit of phone signal, who want to be in those top jobs, who will be missing out because they didn't back the right candidate.

It'll be fascinating to see what happens to Penny Morden. She's been tweeting very supportively of Listeros in the last couple of hours. Maybe she might be in line for a top job, too. Oh, they'll all be greasing away, weren't they, on social media. Oh, she's wonderful, wonderful. Please give me a job. My problem is I couldn't get past Theresa Coffey as Deputy Prime Minister and Health Secretary. She's not exactly a picture of health. I mean to be personal, but she's a big smoker.

She's clearly overweight. Is she the right person to be lecturing us all on public health? Well, look, I think Theresa Coffey has handled one of the most difficult briefs in government, the DWP, Department for Work and Pensions. And what she's done is quietly navigate her way through some pretty big challenges and got what she wanted. You may not know Therese Coffey. People may not recognise that name and immediately know what she looks like.

But she has made a difference in a department. which usually is regarded as impossible to run. She fought with she soon act over the £20,000 universal credit uplift. I know, look, I'm sure you're right, but I've interviewed her several times and I thought she was shockingly mediocre. The only thing I remember her for, actually,

where I thought she had a tick in the credit box was her performance at a karaoke. Let's take a look at this. That is our new Deputy Prime Minister. Great to move on, I think, from Partygate to that. Well, look, I'm sure, Piers, Morgan that you wouldn't get angry with people for having a little bit of fun. But I mean look there are questions about Liz Truss's cabinet.

They are largely, though, questions of experience. People saying, well, you've put some people in top jobs who haven't necessarily held them before. I think Theray's coffee has proved that she has the metal. She may not be what you expect in terms of a minister in a top position in government. But she's certainly made her way in a difficult department, as I said. And she's been so close to Liz Truss in this campaign. She's one of her key allies. She will also be, as I said, Deputy Prime Minister.

And that's a job that requires someone with an even temperament, somebody who isn't going to rock the boat. And crucially, somebody who isn't in it for themselves, Liz Truss is surrounding herself with people who she trusts, who she doesn't think are going to come for her when her back is turned. And after the last couple of years in Downing Street, seeing what's happened to Conservative Prime Ministers, I mean, I think that's probably something she's going to value above everything else.

All right. Kate McCann, what on 9-8s? What are nine eight? Nine times eight. Oh no. Don't hit me with mass questions. I am so bad at math. Fantastic. You don't actually know what.

There's a reason I'm asking you. I'll take you off the hook because actually I did ask our new prime minister that very question on Good Morning Britain. And what's the terrified face, a bit like yours and the paws that happen. Watch this. Like mine. Yeah, what's nine times eight? Nine times eight.

Nine times eight is 72. But I'm not going to answer any more of these questions, peers. I knew you were going to ask me that. And I think one of the problems we've got is that people get put on the spot. She was literally on that day to talk about maths, right? I didn't think it was... So I'm not going to answer any more of your questions, peers, about the thing I've come on to talk about.

Anyway, it's quite clear, Mr McCann, that you know as little about maths as the Prime Minister, which is a little unsettling to discover because I thought you knew everything. But Kate, it's going to be a lot going on. You better get back to your workstation. If we get any more dramatic developments, let us know. Otherwise, we'll see you again tomorrow. Take care. We're not going to do karaoke tonight.

I wouldn't mind doing karaoke, actually. Let's come to our peers pack. Grace Blakely, I haven't seen you for a while. Hey, nice to be back. Welcome back. Nice if you to stop gallivanting around the world. What do you make of all this? Well, I mean, you know, I think what we've just heard,

the trust has appointed a lot of key acts. allies to senior positions out of basically fear that she's going to be stabbed in the back, tells you a lot of what you need to know about this government, which is that she's come in from a relatively weak position. She doesn't have the support of a lot of her MPs. She doesn't have as strong support among the Conservative Party membership, as we might have thought. Certainly at the beginning of the campaign. The campaign obviously had its own fair share of fiascos and new turns and didn't leave her looking particularly prime ministerial. And now she's going into this massive crisis, you know, and she has to, you know, and she has to,

basically try and unite two wings of the Conservative Party, one of which is kind of Boris's populist, who are much more relaxed out of spending. And then the right wing, free market, neoliberal. Here's the problem, Richard Seines. I don't care about the infighting of the bloody Conservative Party. I want them to focus on the people of this country. That's my problem. I'm fed up with all this infighting.

And to be honest, Pierce, it all revolves around the energy plan. I produced an emergency energy plan three weeks ago. It's being looked at in the heart of government. If she gets that right, this week, she will get a big, big boost. She will unite millions of households up and down the country. How can she do it and cut taxes? Very simply. You put the on the gas producers, the energy generators,

not on us, the taxpayer and the borrower. Because otherwise, you're literally borrowing from us taxpayer to give it to the oil producers. I said you've got to revert to the average 2021 price for the wholesale price. and you've got to say to all the generators in the UK, that's what you're doing. That's the price you get and you sell to the UK. Shockingly, I do not disagree with Richard on this.

Actually, I know. This is crazy. Isn't it wonderful? It is. It's brilliant because it's very obvious. What we're seeing at the moment, it looks like the beginning of a plan from a trust, which is an energy price cap, but it's not an energy price cap, because a cap implies that you are, you know, capping the price at which producers can sell, and that involves them taking a hit,

potentially with a small subsidy from the state. What she's really doing is saying, you guys keep all the profits. You carry on making all the, extraordinary profits you're making, and we will basically pay you the difference between what consumers are paying at this cap level. So it's corporate welfare, basically. But the point is, this isn't for six months, peers. We're in a global energy war that could last three, five, seven years. So you have to have a plan that responds to that. Well, the problem that Liz Charles has got is that none of the

plans she has for making Britain less energy dependent on other countries are going to kick in before an election. She's got a ticking clock to that election. I want to bring in Douglas Murray across the pond there in New York. I was looking from afar, what do you make of this? Liz Truss, I don't think I can ever remember any leader short of, after World War II, inheriting a worse situation than this. Do you have any confidence that Liz Truss is the woman

to guide us to quieter waters, to calmer waters? Not very much. I wish as well as I think everybody should. The only person I can think of who came into a worse position was Theresa May after her. a very bad call in the 2017 general election. The problem that Liz Trust is getting into is this, as your other guests have just said,

it's unlikely whatever she does that the benefits of her governance are going to be felt fast. Everything to do with the energy crisis, everything to do with the costs of living crisis. She's got basically two years to solve these things. And it seems very unlikely she could do it in that time. And here's the bigger problem here, as you well know. We're now 12 years in to conservative governance in the UK, 12 years.

And to a great extent, this feels to me like the major years. When you have that third press of the conservative talent, and you had all of these crises and the feeling that they couldn't get on top of it, I, of course, hope, like everybody else, Liz Trust can. But the problem she has is that, you know, the question will keep being asked, particularly by the Labour opposition, well, who's been running the joint for the last 12 years? Okay, for five years, the Conservative Party had Nick Clegg manacled to their leg, a very unpleasant situation for anyone to be in.

But after those five years, we have had seven years of conservative majority rule. And, you know, all of these questions that are coming up are questions that could have been answered before. And I think we're going to start hearing the same excuses from Conservative ministers as we've heard in recent years. They'll tell us that the blob is the problem, that the civil service is the problem,

that the unions are the problem, and all sorts of other things. And they may be right on that, but the question will keep coming up or who's been in charge for us 12 years. Let me bring Grace back in on that because the other problem that, Liz Tras has got, She's got the spectre of Boris Johnson

and be lurking like this ugly shadow in the background, ready to pounce. You know, he did a typical Boris job this morning. I was watching it live. He comes out. It doesn't apologise for anything. No regrets. All very buffoonery.

These are all my greatest hits. It's all been a tremendous success and see you later. And then the sun came out and kind of shone on this guy as he sauntered out of Downing Street compared to poor old trust who got poured on. And, you know, he's a lucky general, Boris in many ways, isn't he? He then quoted some Roman emperor who famously went back to a farm and ploughed the fields. What he didn't mention was that emperor, he then came back from the field.

He left his plough and came back to save the country. He sounds like Trump when he speaks like this. Oh, no, of course. I mean, you know, why do you think he did this ridiculous farewell tour going around saying, look at all the wonderful things I've done, look at how green I've made Britain, despite the fact that if we had actually gone green, we wouldn't be dealing with the scale of this energy crisis that we're dealing with right now? He's obviously planning on coming back.

He's going to go away, go on the speaking circuit. Make millions. Make huge amounts of money. The book will make millions. Make huge amounts of money while people in this country are literally struggling to heat their homes. Come back when he's dealt with all of his offspring and given them as much money as they need. We are in an era where shamelessness with politicians can be very successful. Donald Trump, Boris Johnson.

They have no shame. Just focus on the track record. Twelve years, as Douglas said, of Tory leadership, Tory government has left, as you said, a crisis of crisis. There are so many, you can't name them or you forget them. I mean, this is incompetence, it's negligence, and it's the British people, the lowest paid, the least well off, who are going to suffer the most.

And that's what I really, really resent. It is actually the legacy of a failed macroeconomic agenda that Liz Truss is saying that she's basically going to revive. She's saying, I'm the next that. And which, by the way, her fingerprints have been all over as a member of successive government. She's been there 10 years. So she's not squeaky clean coming in here,

like, nothing to do with me, Gov. It was you, Gov. Right? I mean, you know, what's she going to do? Tax cuts, right. Okay, we've already got high levels inequality. Thatcher did tax cuts. We can't afford tax.

It's a big myth. It's a big myth. I keep mentioning this. Margaret Thatcher, when she came in and inherited a very hard situation, bad economy. She didn't cut taxes. She put them up. She put them up to start with. The top rate of income tax.

The top rate of income tax was 80% when Thacher came to power. And then she steadily reduced it. You can't tax your way out of a crisis. You've got a good. grow your way out of a crisis. After the Second World War, our national debt fell from 150% down to about 50% very, very quickly because of growth. And she's right on that. But tax cuts don't deliver growth. They do. If tax cuts delivered growth, then, you know, we would have had astonishingly levels of growth over the course of the coalition government

when they introduced the corporate credit. They cut corporations. We've got the highest taxes for 70 years. We're in a race to the bottom on corporation tax. And that's supposed to be what is a little investment. Actually, as leaders from Thatcher to Reagan and others have proven, when the economy is doing well and is stable and you cut taxes, you can get the growth. But how do you get the economy well and doing stable? You need low levels of inequality. You need investments. I don't think you can do it.

Public investment, which we haven't had. And cut taxes and expect to growth. The government balance sheet is absolutely fine as long as you cut taxes, you cut unnecessary regulation, and you go for growth. What you don't do is borrow to subsidise to give 100 billion quid to a bunch of already very rich investors in. all producers. Okay, well, look, talking of binging millions and millions of pounds to very rich people, we're going to come back and talk about me, me, me, me, me, me, Megan and hapless, halfway at Harry,

because Maureen Kalinga, one of our other guests on the pack today in New York, wrote one of the most excoriating pieces I've ever read in my life about anybody about these two. I want to talk to her about that after the break, and also about this extraordinary case of a teacher in Ireland who's been imprisoned, imprisoned because he refused to use the right gender about a transgender student. We'll explain all that after the break. Stay with us.

Well, Blinkin need to miss them and frankly, I wish I had blinked. Halfway Harry and Megan DeBarkle touched down in Germany today up to a whistle-top door of the UK which they didn't find time to meet any of their family who all hate them because they hate them. They did meet a lot of strangers of course and Megan was supposed to be lecturing young people about equality which is her favorite subject from her California mansion but instead she stuck to her specialist subject the one she currently really loves which is talking about herself I'm so grateful to be in your company today I was first invited to be a counselor at one young world I was probably a lot like each of you how am I here and there I was I was the girl from

suits and I was surrounded by world leaders I was so overwhelmed by this experience. I think I even saved my little paper place card. Proof that I was there, I belonged. I was so nervous. I doubted myself. And I wondered if I was good enough to even be there what I was doing in the world,

albeit important and meaningful as far as I saw it, was it deserving? One young world saw in me just as I see in you. My life had changed rather significantly. And I was now a mom. And I would ask, what is this world he would to adopt. And what can we do? What can I do to make it better? I don't know. What could you do to make it better? You're just so special.

And how did you get to sit at the top table with all the world leaders, Megan? Oh, could it be because you married a British prince and then dragged him out of his country off to a California mansion to fleece your royal titles? Anyway, 54 times you mentioned herself in a seven-minute speech. Even I haven't done that in a speech. That gives you some idea of the scale of the Netflix narcissistic. My question really is, how can they be allowed to do this to run around like a rival royal family, including in this country? A country they've been trashing, with a monarchy they've been trashing, with a royal family they've been trashing.

Why do we let this happen? I want to go to New York Post columnist Maureen Kennedy. Very patiently. Maureen, welcome to the show. Great to have you on. You wrote a absolute... Thank you for having me. You wrote one of the all-time great tub-thumping, excoriating pieces. about this last week, which I read on holiday.

I thought even I couldn't have written one quite as savage. So congratulations. But tell me what is, because it's been this kind of mythology, that in America they all love Meghan Markle and are proud of her for coming over here and stealing Harry and so on. What is the reality? This is a common misconception that the Brits have. I understand why, and I can promise you,

nothing could be further from the truth. Even, you know, that profile that I, that columned on ran in New York Magazine. And it attracted hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of comments immediately. Now, that is a self-selecting group of woke, leftist, self-identified social justice warriors. And they were piling on Megan as a liar, as an insufferable narcissist, as completely inauthentic as who does she think she is. She married into this family. All she does is trash them.

She's a hypocrite. She's trying to monetize her own children off the backs of the royal family, the ailing queen. So that piece, you know, it's not the first time I've written about, Megan. It certainly won't be the last. But that piece really hit a nerve.

I mean, the problem of Maureen, as a country, the United States, has now sent two women to our royal family. Wallace Simpson and Mega Markle. The first one led to an abdication. And the second one might be needed to the end of the monarchy. You guys took her.

We need better quality of miracle women. Well, I think you need to sharpen your BS detector a bit because apparently the royals themselves caught on pretty quickly that she was not everything she appeared to be. Well, I caught on pretty quickly. Unfortunately, I then got removed from the job

that I had at the time for disbelieving her nonsense to Oprah Winfrey. quite interesting is the more she talks, the more people realize she is forked-tongued. Grace Blakely, can you defend this woke warrior? Is she the epitome of equality? Is she the standard bearer? You know how I feel about this. I just don't care. Like, you know, I find it when people like Megan Markle are held up as, as you say, the standard bearers of feminism and, you know, social justice, ridiculous because she is obviously so far removed from the concerns and troubles of the vast

majority of women and this idea that we have now among, you know, certain parts of the liberal, by the way, not left or socialist, liberal elements of politics is that, you know, we need, you know, rich women to like lean in and give inspirational speeches and kind of show everyone else how to be. But ultimately, it's just the same part of this like weird cult of celebrity that distracts people from the real issues that are affecting their lives. I couldn't agree more. I mean, I'm a Republican.

I don't care. I couldn't agree more, Richard. I thought she'd left the United Kingdom for privacy and to get away from the royal family so she didn't have to go to those sort of charity events that she went to last night. But now she's back talking about herself and you're thinking, well, hang on.

So are you staging a comeback? As you say, is it a rival sort of royal gig? What is going on? Honestly, what's going on with Harry here? I was told on good authority yesterday that Charles in particular is unbelievably hurt by what is going on with his son and daughter-in-law. He doesn't understand what he's done wrong. Remember, he walked her down the aisle.

Douglas, let me bring you back in here on this. There's lots of plays going on here, aren't they, with the Sussexes? But the one I can't get away from, they keep trashing the very institution that gave them these titles that make them their millions. There is the ultimate hypocrisy right there, and it's a running saw. Well, the royal family is clearly just a leg up for Megan Markle, who believes that her position as a duchess now allows her to inspire us common folk with her amazing wisdom.

Unfortunately, as we just saw again from that speech, her wisdom is from the school of Hallmark Cardsism. It's all sort of sub-abama pseudo-inspiring stuff about how you can be. the person you meant to be for the being that you could be and everyone else can be like you. Oh, it's all total flannel, isn't it? It's total flannel. It's total fannel. None of it ever makes any sense. I say you mostly see this sort of thing in Hallmark Cards philosophy.

It's all about you being your true self and all of this sort of thing. It's, I don't think that, I mean, I've never heard somebody with more of a tin ear than Megan Markle. Most people know the reason she's on the platform is because she married a prince. Of course. That's it. Otherwise, she'd still be in season 24 of suits, perhaps as a minor role. And when she sits, it goes, little old me from suits. Look at me now with all the world leaders. Why do you think you got there? Honestly, Princess Pinocchio, I think the Queen should strip the titles. I think we're just done with it. Or we should just get rid of all the titles and get rid of the monarchy.

But that's one of the greatest assets. It's one of the greatest assets. The whole family is mired in scandal. And Meghan Markle is, you know, by far the least of their problems at the moment, I think, we all know. Well, I certainly wouldn't equate what they've done with what Andrew did. So I agree with you about that. But the damage to the monarchy is what worries me. Correct. The Queen is in very ill health. We know

that. She's elderly. She's 96. She's not going to be here for a lot longer. We know this. What happens next is hugely important. The monarchy is one of the greatest foundation assets that this country has. We should be very proud of it. And this is catastrophic for the royal family. And they've got to deal with it.

They've got to quarterize the wound, frankly. I want to show talking of quarterizing wounds. I want to show Maureen. Can we get Maureen back for a moment? I don't have you seen this Maureen, but I just written a column for the New York Post, both you, me and Douglas, all right for the post.

I've just written about Kim Kardashian's Derrier, which has now been appearing on the front cover of Interview magazine. Under the American Dream issue of interview, we have to have this, apparently, as the emblem of the American Dream. Kim Kardashian's gigantic naked backside bearing off the magazine stands. As an American, do you see this image as the personification of the American dream? Oh, you know, it's a specific kind of American dream.

I think it's a kind of American dream that, you know, does share something in common with Megan Markle. When you are devoid of really any talent or intellectual contribution to make, what do you do? you auto-generate your content? What is Kim Kardashian's content? It's her ever-evolving, uncanny valley kind of physicality. This isn't even new.

She did this before. She was on the cover of paper magazine, and her bum was out there, greased up, and it was shocking at the time. And I think that what is probably going to be shocking to Kim Kardashian is that these kinds of images, no longer, they fail to shock anything. longer. Exactly. The only shocking thing is she kept some clothes on. Yeah. I agree. I totally agree.

Exactly. I want to just mention another story before we finish with the pack. This extraordinary story of a school teacher in Ireland who's been imprisoned after refusing to use the pronouns requested by a trans student. Enot Burke was initially suspended by Wilson's Hospital School in Dublin saying the request was a violation of his Christian beliefs. He was then issued with an injunction and told not to attend the school after a public round with the head teacher. But he continued to show up. He's now been thrown in prison for contempt of court. Mert will now remain in prison until he, quote, purges his contempt, effectively apologises,

or is freed by the court. Douglas Murray, we've talked a lot about free speech on this show, you and I. At the heart of this, I don't even agree with half the things this teacher seems to believe or think. But I respect his religious beliefs. It's a religious school, by the way. What I can't get my head round is that somebody who refuses to call a religious to call a singular human being, by the way, they, which I've always found preposterous when there's one person,

because he wouldn't use the right pronoun. He's now in prison, albeit for contempt, but the contempt was because he refused to back down on not being required to use this pronoun. What do you make of that? Yeah, of course, it's ludic. Some people might have missed something very interesting that's happened in Ireland in the last couple of decades.

After the church scandals of recent years, Ireland has effectively de-Christianized faster than any country I've ever seen. But, you know, you strip one religion out of a country, it doesn't mean the country loses all sense of religion. Ireland, also, perhaps faster than any European country, I know, has gone straight for the religion of social justice warriorism. It's extraordinary to see it the way in which it's vehemently advocated by politicians of almost every stripe, including former terrorists.

and they all jump into this. They all jump into the pronouns business. A shin fame pretend that the armed struggle, and indeed Bobby Sands died for gay rights. I think Bobby Sands had been a bit annoyed if you told him he was doing this for the gays. But anyway, they've rewritten their own history. They've got this massive religion of social justicism there,

and they're militant about it. They're quite as militant as they were in the past about Catholicism. And men like this are the victims. Yeah, me bringing grace. I mean, just whatever the debate about transgender, and I don't, you know, I have no problem showing full respect for transgender people who have full rights to equality and fairness. This whole thing with pronouns, the idea of a teacher

actually ending up in prison, because ultimately, because he wouldn't say to a transgender student, you'll call they. Well, that's not why, was it? He ended up because he's in contempt of court, and that's something for the court to decide, which is a liberal institution. But he refused to back down on the principle of using a pronoun.

Who cares? If the kid... The school? He doesn't care, or he wouldn't be in prison. Call him they. You know, the idea that Ireland's been, like, taken captive by social justice lawyers. You can't do a way. The guy's in prison.

You can't do a way. It's absolutely ridiculous. Ireland is suffering with crises, like a housing crisis. That is one of the worst in the entire Europe. He's entitled to a religious belief. It's an employment matter. It's not a criminal matter where the bloke ends up in jail. That's, again, for the court to decide.

Like, it's, you know, if he wants to, if the students, Call it they. Why should he... Who cares? Deal with Ireland's housing crisis. Deal with the water crisis. Deal with the wages crisis. Don't waste time putting a deal in prison for not... All right, Grace.

Ever since the financial crisis. You've got to call me hot. That's my pronoun. Like, A, definitely not a protected character. Sorry. If it appears, if you want me to call you hot every time I come on the show and you say, Grace, I'm going to let you talk about

whatever you, I'm going to let you talk about the economy. You're going to call me hot. I'm going to let you not talk about Megan Markle or pronouns. going to let you talk about even the mix and climate change. I'll call you whatever you want with it. If you don't call me hot, you're going to jail. That's the way this works. If it's okay with you, I'm not going to call you hot.

As a militant social justice warrior, it's probably where I belong anyway, isn't it? My pronouns on my Twitter profile are actually hot, hotter, hottest. So just for the record, I'm actually not joking. They are my preferred pronouns. Grace, thank you. Good to see it. Richard, thank you. Douglas Maureen in New York, thank you both very much.

Probably were the finest peers pack we've had so far. So thank you for that transit. orgy of intellectual intelligence. Much appreciated it. Coming up next, rising crime, violence on the streets, pensioners being murdered, young girls being shot dead in their homes. Have the police lost control of broken Britain?

Former Scotland's got a young detective Peter Blexley and pastor Lorraine Jones, who lost her son to gang violence will be here live. They don't agree, by the way. While our understaffed, overworked police forces across the UK, brace themselves for a winter of surging crime and civil unrest, elite national strategy paper drawn up this summer

shows that police chiefs are worried about a breakdown in public order and even corruption within their ranks due to the spiraling cost of living crisis. But with crime levels in England and Wales are a 20-year high and less than 6% of crimes reported leading to charges, the big question is, have the police lost control of our streets? We're joining me now, a former Scotlandian detective,

Peter Blexley and past to Lorraine Jones who acts as a liaison between police and families after our own son, Dwayne, was stabbed to death. Welcome to both of you. Thank you. Lorraine, great to see you. Every day, we seem to wake up now to some new horror. Young kids stabbing each other to death.

A little girl, aged nine in Liverpool, shot dead in her home as part of some gang thing going on. You have a pensioner in a mobility scooter killed. A person very near me in Kensington, a sort of leafy Kensington, shot dead, a young person in the 20s only two days ago. What is going on here, and do you feel... From all your connections with the police and community,

are the police losing control of what is happening on the streets? Peers, I've been crying out that we're in a state of emergency, and I really hope our new Prime Minister hears with her heart. The evidence is there. Have they lost control? The evidence is there what's going on. Poor Olivia, she was only nine years old in the safety of her mother in her home, shot dead in the chest. We've had countless incidents.

If not fatal, there is a lot of violence and crime on our streets. It's a state of emergency. What is the answer? What is the answer? Yes. There needs to be a shift in leadership. And our prime minister can do that. Things have spiraled down and down.

And we've given the answers, the deprivation, the social economics that has, gone plummeted down. Poor investment in the local community. Our young people, the housing, there's so many streams of problems. Have we, though, Laurent, have we gone too soft in the way we deal with young offenders? And one of the things is stop and search. Should that be brought back aggressively now by the police? Should we have more police doing more stopping and searching? Find the kids with the knives on the street? That's the problem, peers. The government is relying on the police to do stop and search. Stop and search has been going on for decades before my son was killed.

It's going to take more intervention than stop and search. What we have to remember is the police respond to the problems. We need to prevent these things from happening, and that's not going to happen until we deal with the root causes of what communities are facing. Peter, everyone I know who's had any experience of crime recently in this country, says the police don't bother responding fast enough, if at all. Petty theft and burgers and so on just get completely ignored. We're seeing constant increases in violent crime.

And we're seeing a lot of sort of woke police stories popping up in the papers of them dancing at carnivals and so on, which creates an impression to the public that while all with mayhem's going on, they're not taking it seriously enough. What's your view? Indeed it does. The police service of late has come up with an expression

that says we're the service that can't say no. In other words, when there's an emergency, of whatever description it may be, mental health or connected to social care, for example, the police go and deal with that. Well, actually, the time has come now for the police service to stand up and say to government, no. Give me three things live trust should do.

Take away from the police, this dreadful amount of mental health work that they're having to get involved with. Same with social care work. They're not mental health workers. They're not social workers. Carry on with the recruitment program and entice experienced officers

to come back either in a full-time role or a supervisory role so that all these new officers can benefit from good experience. What is morale like amongst the police? Rock bottom in many regards. Officers, as many as they're getting newbies through the front door, experienced guys and girls

are going out of the back door because they've quite simply had enough, not only because of the workload, because of pay and pension conditions being butchered. So, yes, morale is dreadful. It needs to be attended to. And quite frankly, those who are in charge, the desk driving officers that have got their degrees

in the last 25, 30 years, who have letters after their name as well as in front of them, really need to focus on serving the public. Community engagement is not dancing, it's not prancing, it's not face painting, and it's not a coloured helmet. It is serving the community. that have become victims of crime. Attend every crime, speak to every victim.

That's when public trust and confidence will so. You know what's interesting to me is I can see you nodding. There's a lot of agreement here. There's not enough being done. We need to do more. I hope your voices get heard. I hope Liz Truss is listening to this conversation because she needs to act and is getting out of control.

Thank you both very much indeed. I appreciate it. Thank you, please. Well, next tonight, victim or political porn, ISIS bride, Shamima Begham, has been branded big. and twisted by a British journalist who got closer to her than anybody else. He joins me next, plus somebody who thinks we should show mercy and let it come back to Britain. What do you think of that? We'll discuss after the break.

Well, Shemima Begum is notorious as the ISIS bride banned from returning to Britain. Begum was 15 when she and two other East London schoolgirls travelled to Syria to join the terrorists in 2015. Her attempt to come home have sparked a global furority. To some, she's a victim, a child exploited by terrorists. to others. She's a terrorist herself and a threat to national security. The UK is stripped of citizenship in 2019, arguing her Bangladeshi heritage means she's not stateless in practice. Neither country will let her in. Begham, now age 23, is stuck in a Syrian detention camp

where most British people think she should stay. But this week, another twist. She may be smuggled to Syria by Canadian spy. With Canada now pledging to investigate, is it time to give Begham another hearing, perhaps even mercy? Well, joining me now is filmmaker and journalist. Andrew Drury, has met an interview to Shemima Began on numerous occasions. I think she's playing the victim. Mersen Begg, an author and former Grand Tainabay,

who thinks we should let her back into the country. Welcome to both of you. Andrew Drury, let me ask you. You've met her a number of times, including just five weeks ago. I think you had contact with her. So you've got to know pretty well. I have, yeah.

What is your belief about the kind of person we're talking about and the kind of potential threat she may present to this country if she did come back? She's a manipulator. When I first met her, I was filming a documentary and did on a day off. And at that point, she was playing, sorry, I'm sorry for Britain. So my last meeting, she started to become a victim. She believes that she was trafficked.

She wasn't trafficked. She says she was, but she's told me a whole story. So she's now playing this part as a victim. Funny enough, you've got a guy who was in Guantanamo Bay. She asked me if I could bring a book out there for her. Grotanamo Bay Diaries about somebody who was there in their 14 years without trial. because that's how she's seeing herself now a victim. Right.

She's no victim. Moise Begg, here's my problem with this whole case with Shemimba Beg. I followed it for a number of years. I just can't get past the fact that she spent years there, fathering, mothering a number of kids by a jihadi father. It was fighting with ISIS. She knew what they were doing. She saw what they were doing.

And she just stayed and was, in my view, a willing accomplice to this whole ISIS phenomenon. over there. Why should we show her any mercy? Why should we have any pity for someone who was so merciless and pitiless herself? Well, Pierce, I don't think it's a question of mercy at all. I think really it's a question of the law and a question of the application of it across the board. So, for example, there are several people who were part of ISIS who've returned to the UK. Some are in prison, some are out, some are on terrorism prevention and investigative measures, i.e. akin to house arrest.

So there's different ways that Britain knows how to and can and has dealt with this. The real issue is, is Shemima being targeted because her national entities was revoked? Was it a political statement or was it one that was based on law? And I think it's the former and not the latter. The role of the intelligence services in all of this also cannot be underplayed. And if you'll allow me, I think you may remember, you came to Belmarsh in 2014. to visit Andy Colson. I was in Belmarsh at the time

and I was being prosecuted for sending a generator to Syria. Now, my case fell apart. The police declared me innocent and I was found not guilty. But I was held with an individual who told me a fascinating story. He was a young man from London

who said that he'd been recruited by MI5 to go and spy for them against ISIS and they'd given him huge amounts of money to do so. MI5 and the police eventually thought that he's playing a double game, he's a double agent. So they arrested him and tried to prosecute him for terrorism. And his case was the first case in British legal history to have been almost entirely heard in secret

because of the role of MI5 in his case. It was completely bizarre. Okay, but look, I want to focus more on Shemima Begis. What is the relevance to Shemima Beg? Because it seems to me, in her case, we all know what she did. We all know what she saw. In my view, she made her ISIS by bed and she should lie in it. So the relevance to this case, Pierce, is that he was then taken, put on the deportation order in the UK,

and his nationality was revoked in the UK, and then he was deported, so that the details of his case would never become come to life. So in the same way in Shemima, Shemimimu Bigham's case, the role of the intelligence service, It's impossible that the security services, that the police didn't know that an agent for CIS, the Canadian intelligence services, was facilitating the travel of her and other British individuals to Syria. Look, if that is what's happened. I mean, there are so many unanswered questions here. What is not unanswered Andrew Drury is we know that she willingly was there with these ISIS killers

as they were committing utter atrocities. And again, I keep coming back in my head. I don't know why we should let her back in this country. Firstly, going on to the agent side of it, she wasn't aware. She told me how she got there. She wasn't aware of any agent. She had some kind of Syrians guided her over into Turkey. She says a girl called Sharmina was the girl that arranged it.

She wasn't, it took her only six months. She made her own decision. She wasn't watching videos or she wasn't had some preacher told her. You know, this was her choice. She decided to go. Yes, she wants to be a somebody. Like now she sees herself as a celebrity. She enjoys all, you know, all this that she's getting from us, the press, the media, even she'll be watching this tonight. She'll hear, you know, this interview or go out. She loves what she wanted. She would have gone anyway. She wanted to be somebody, being part of ISIS, she thought she was somebody. Now she's in the camp. She likes being somebody again. She's not a victim. I don't think she has any right to come back to this country. No moral right. I don't think she has a legal right. And I And I think that the most British public agree with me about this. Got to leave it there.

Andrew Dury, thank you very much indeed. Mersen Begg. Thank you, as always, for your insightful contribution. I appreciate it. That's it from me. Whatever you're up to? Keep it uncensored. Good night.