Piers Morgan Uncensored - Piers Morgan Uncensored: Luis Rubiales Exclusive

Episode Date: September 12, 2023

On tonight' episode of Piers Morgan Uncensored, Piers is joined by now former Spanish FA President Luis Rubiales for a ground-breaking interview. Watch Piers Morgan Uncensored at 8 pm on TalkTV on Sky 522, Virgin Media 606, Freeview 237 and Freesat 217. Listen on DAB+ and the app.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Tonight on Pierce Morgan Unsense at a world-exclusive interview with the man behind that kiss. Lewis Rubiales speaks out on FIFA, on the lionesses, and his mother's hunger strike, on his family, and on his future. Why did he kiss Jenny Hemoso? Will he finally apologize to her? Could he? Should he go to jail for what happened? Nothing is off limits in this jaw-dropping interview that ended with a surprise and stunning on-air resignation. Louis Rubiales, one-on-one and uncensored. Louis Rubialis, why have you agreed to do this interview with me?

Hello, Pierce. I think it's an opportunity. It's an opportunity. You are a leader of opinion. A lot of people, million people, follow you. And I think that a lot of people, million of people, have an opinion about me, about what happened. For me, like I tell you, it's an opportunity to tell you.

really happening to give the truth to the rest of the people. Now Lewis, because of the legal action that you're now facing, you want to do the rest of the interview in Spanish, and we have a translator who will translate as we go. Lewis, it's been three weeks today since the Women's World Cup final. And that was when you planted this kiss on one of the players, which has turned out to be the most notorious kiss in history, and has turned your life upside down.

How have the three weeks been for you? For me, I have been outside of this tsunami. But at the same time, with my family, I have suffered. With my friends, I have suffered. And a lot of people have been telling lies. And with all these lies, the truth hasn't surfaced. do you accept that what you did with that kiss was wrong? Oh, man, it's clear that me equivoke.

That's evident. But I did it from the beginning. I made a mistake. And I apologized in a sincere manner. I was very happy. I felt like another player. But being the president of the association, I have apologized unreservedly.

That is not the actions of the president of the association. Why did you kiss, Jenny Hermosa? It was a mutual act. She came towards me, very happy. She lifted me up. She lifted me up in the air. When we hit the ground, there was a quick conversation. We were both emotional.

We congratulated each other. I asked her, can I give you a quick peg, which is normal in our country. I gave her a quick peck. I think she gave me one or two slaps in my side. She was laughing, and that was it. No intention. Of course, no sexual connotation of anything, just a moment of happiness. Just great joy in that moment.

what is going on on the podium here. And you're picking up quite a few of these girls, you're hugging them, you're kissing most of them as well, but on the cheek. And I was struck by that, that it's very tactile, I mean, more than you would expect

perhaps from someone in your position. All the medal celebrations with guys and girls, all those celebrations are mutual, the normal. A couple of minutes before, they lifted me up. Amazing harmony. Everyone is happy. I think Latin people, and it's a cultural question, have that tactile.

It's pretty normal in a Latin world between guys and girls. If the Spanish men's team had won the World Cup, would you have interacted with those men the same way? No doubt about it. 100%. And also when I was a player, there were many moments where we avoided relegation or we got promotion where we have given what we call pecs on the lips. The problem for many people is that when you came to Jenny, Hermosa, you kissed her, you held her head with your hands and you pulled her towards you and you kissed her full on the lips.

and many people think that was completely inappropriate behavior. A lot of people have seen this still image. A lot of people have seen still images of that or indeed the kiss, which lasted to tenths of a second. It was a moment of fusion. In fact, just before that, Jenny lifted me off the ground. She didn't ask me. It was just a moment of happiness, of fusion.

Pierce, what you need to also understand, is that she, all during this time on the podium, she's holding me, she's laughing. Your position is that she lifted you up and that you asked her if you could kiss her and she said yes. So people have read my lips. That's clear, that's on the video.

And I'm going to maintain the same line that I have given for the past three weeks. Jenny Hamoso in a live Instagram broadcast from the dressing room said, yeah, it happened, the kiss, but I didn't like it. You're her boss. You're the boss of the Spanish Football Federation. Well, technically you are. In that Instagram live, we also see that you say that you want to marry Jenny

when you go to Ibiza, which may be a joke, but also some people may see that and see that maybe your motives were more than just friendly. No. Actually, you did have some sexual motivation. Otherwise, why would you want to marry her?

I am glad we are here talking in front of millions of viewers. The trip to Ibiza, of course, I didn't go on the trip to Ibiza. It was a joke. She has a partner. I didn't go to Ibiza. It is impossible that there is anything there.

But Lewis, you can understand, perhaps, that people have watched you single out Jenny Amosa on the podium for the only kiss on the lips. And then in the dressing room you make a joke, as you say, about wanting to marry her. You can see why some people think, hang on a second, this is really inappropriate behavior

by the president of the Spanish Football Federation. I understand that somebody could possibly misunderstand. I also understand that there are people who understood very well, but twisted the information. You can imagine if you win the lottery, or hopefully soon one day the war in the Ukraine finishes. I mean, celebrations will go on up and down the globe. People don't ask permission.

It's just a happy, happy time, and people celebrate it. There will be people, Lewis, who hear you say that and say, come on, you're not going to seriously be playing the victim here. I respect. I respect everybody, all educated opinions. What I don't respect is opinions of people who are trying to twist the truth. My mom is in this, my dad, my kids have been insulted. These have turned out to be a snowball created by spurious arguments. people.

My intentions were noble. Enthusiastic. A hundred percent non-sexual. A hundred percent. I repeat, a hundred percent. So, Louis, I want to show you another video. This is on the team bus after the victory. And you see Jenny there.

A little later, you see the teammates and Jenny all, or mainly the teammates singing there, Beza, Beza, Bezo, Bezo, Beza, which is kiss, kiss, kiss, kiss. And they all seem to be laughing and finding this funny. You're actually at the back of that coach, and you arrive from the back, and they start to chant Prezzi, Prezzi, which is you, the president. So what I see is a video whereby the whole team, the staff, after having won the World Cup I'm having fun

I hear the chanting kiss kiss kiss kiss I hear the chanting presi ruby these are words that my friends use I was up behind I came up to acknowledge I was a little bit ashamed to be honest

and I said I'm going to go back to the back of the bus and sit down why were you feeling ashamed so they were asking me for a kiss That's why I was a little bit embarrassed. I think it's ironic. I'm going to ask you to give giving

a bit ironically, but I imagine it would be ironically but, ryingnosed. But I think to put to something, what I would like to do

is read you a message of my phone from somebody who was on the past. This explains what happened. Or, staff member, non-playing staff member. 23rd of August, three days after.

I am very thankful to be able to live one of the best moments of my life with my family over there. And that's thanks to you. And also, I want to give you all my love in these difficult times. What we have achieved is amazing, huge, and that's thanks to you. Don't cloud anyone's judgment by these people who want to ruin you. So, on the 25th, 26, this person plus 10 more wrote a note to say that my act was misogynistic.

And Pierce is one. I have a lot of them. A woman or a man? No, I'm not going to say... You said it was one of the 11? From a woman and I have for men. I understand, but on the particular one you're talking about. If I saw you other...

I'm not going to do it. I'm going to a criminal court now. No, I understand, but your point, your point, Lewis, is... We don't know who that is, and obviously I can't verify that. But if what you're saying is true, what you're saying is there were people sending you supportive messages who then resigned and said what you had done was outrageous. I don't want to judge, but when you have such a huge current, a torrent against one person, it's very, very difficult. It's giving me huge problems in life. There are pictures and video footage of Prince William, the Prince of Wales, at the Euro's final.

He is greeting the England lionesses he won, but he's far more reserved. You wish with hindsight you would behave more like Prince William did on that occasion. So I have a lot of respect for the royal family. I'm not going to enter into debates about the royal family. I have met King Charles years ago. I know him. I have apologized for this. I have apologized on several occasions.

So if you are asking me, in hindsight, would I do it differently? Of course. The intelligent answer is yes, of course. The kiss caused a lot of controversy. but so did something else you did that day. You were sitting just a few seats away from Queen Letitia of Spain and her 16-year-old daughter, Infanta Sofia, the princess, and you very provocatively grabbed your crotch

in a way that, frankly, I watched that and thought that just with members of the royal family sitting there and a young 16-year-old girl, again, was completely inappropriate. For this, I am truly ashamed. from an internal perspective than anything else. There are no excuses. In Spain, with guys as well as women, there's an expression which would probably translate to something like,

oh, my genitals. So this vulgar expression, basically what it means is, bravo, well done. When the final whistle went, Jorge Vilda looked at me and said, this is for you, gesturing quite strongly. I gestured your back and said, no, no, this is for you.

This is for you, for all the suffering we have had. Do you apologize to the Queen? Have you personally apologized to her? No, because I couldn't have the opportunity to speak with the Queen. Would you like to apologize to her now? No, no, yes, I did. I mean directly to her.

Yes, of course, again, and all the times, of course, they, all the royal family, they know me. I know Orkin and he's a top man and a spectacular man. I know him near 15 years ago or 14. I hope they will know anything is going again, anyone. But I apologize because it's not the behavior I have to have. Your initial reaction on the night when people started to criticize what you'd done with the KISP in particular was we do not pay any attention to idiots and stupid people. It was a peck between two friends celebrating something. The criticism is really all just nonsense from dickheads and dumb asses.

These are just losers who do not know how to see the positive side. the positive side. Do you regret expressing yourself like that? Well, I'd like to make a reflection here regarding my errors. In the beginning, I spoke to several members of the press who said, no, this is nothing. It's just a small anecdote. It's trending topic. What a thing more... No big deal. Today, August 21st, the RFEF released a statement to the Spanish news agency EFE, quoting Jenny

Homozo as saying it was a mutual, totally spontaneous gesture because of the huge joy of winning a World Cup. The Prezi, Rubiales and I have a great relationship. It was a natural gesture of affection and gratitude. Did you know about that statement before it was made public? Well, I think I have heard, apart from this, in many instances in social media and interviews, in some interview where Jenny said, this is spontaneous. Nothing but an anecdote.

But really, I don't think I want to enter into this anymore. If someone was going to say it was, just the phonemeanor of myself. But I think that, sincerely, no, I don't know to enter more in comment what she says she never said she never said those things I have heard it on the radio so she's lying no I'm not going to answer that but there you have the radio you can listen to the radio yourselves and form your own opinions this isn't good for anybody

but I'm not going to call anybody anything This is, sincerely, is bad for all. No, it's good for nobody. There was, as you know, a furious response that built up over the days after the final from the wider football world, including the England lionesses who'd been defeated by the Spanish team in the final.

Every single member of the lionesses tweeted the following. Unacceptable actions allowed to happen by a sexist and patriarchal organization. Abuse is abuse, and we've all seen the truth. So once again, I'm not going to comment on third parties, but what I want to say is that this is not a debate about men or women, progressive or conservative.

This is a debate about the truth. So when the England lionesses, every one of them, every woman in that team, tweet that it was abuse and we've all seen the truth, Are you saying they're wrong? I don't want to comment on I don't want to comment on fair parties. I don't want any more wars here.

So look, I know the truth. I don't want to comment on that. I know the truth. In life, mistakes are made. But I'm very calm with my inner self. What's important to me are the people close to me. and I am very calm about this.

And peers, I want to say that, again, I've made a mistake. I apologize, but let's be clear, under no circumstance, is this sexual aggression. No peace. Of course not. Of course not. It's an effusive, happy moment. It's the same line that I have given from day one. Of course not.

Woody Allen, the Hollywood director, who's had his own problems with allegations of sexual misconduct and abuse, which he's always denied. But he came out and defended you. He said the kiss on the soccer player was wrong, but it didn't burn down a school. He has the duty to apologize and go ahead.

They didn't hide. He didn't kiss her in a dark alley. He wasn't raping her. It was just a kiss, she was a friend, what's wrong with that? I just go to the cinema or with my kids or accompanied, but Woody Allen and Quentin Tarantino

have been the only directors are two of the only directors that would drag me to the cinema with my daughters. Similar to not wanting to talk about her parties, I won't comment on this. Just to say me

say that the people who have all the information, not part of it, it's clear there was a mistake. But it's also clear there's nothing more. There's no sexual harassment or violence or anything like that. Lewis, you said that at your press conference on the 25th of August, you said that you were the victim of false feminists. What did you mean by that? What I wanted to do was to focus on my defense. This issue, as far as I am concerned, is part of a bigger concept.

And that's it. That's where that came from. To avoid polemics to center me in my defense. You have three daughters. They're all quite young. How difficult has this been for them the last three weeks? Well, I've got much suites to have the kids. So I am very lucky.

I've got three beautiful, mature, yes, but sensitive daughters. I think they are suffering more for me for my parents than for themselves. Have you had some very emotional times during this period? I've had much moments of support, not only of my kids and of my parents, of my brothers, of my primas, of my primos. I've had support from my mother, my father, cousins, nephews, nieces, it confores me a lot to the people,

the ones I love, are close to me, and also people I don't know who come and provide me with a certain amount of closeness. Of course, it's very comforting. Of course, I would have preferred not to go through all of these, for sure. Your mother went on hunger strike. She went to a Catholic church and went on hunger strike and ended up after two days being taken to hospital from the effects of the hunger strike.

What was your reaction when she told you what she was doing? I was yesterday with my mother in Montreal, my city, my town. I bought her the ice cream that she loves. spent a little bit of time with her, but it's true that I was very scared for her. At a certain point, her ankles completely swelled up. She suffers from hypertension. Listen, we spent a nice moment.

Did you fear when she was taken to hospital that you might lose your mother, that she would give her life for you? Well, my mother, I was thinking she is 17. 82 years old and she has some problems then she thinks that's prying she is helping me and She did no no more worse to display We've got to a situation now where FIFA suspended you for 90 days A letter signed by 81 Spain players including the entire World Cup winning squad

was released saying they wouldn't play until you were gone They described your actions as violating the dignity of women The letter also included the statement from Jenny Hemoso saying she had not consented to the kiss or lifted you in the air. So in regards to the non-consensual, the picking up, we have already talked about that. And it's clear in all the videos, so I'm not going to address that. In regards to FIFA, the temporary, the process was very, very quick. process for the

should have been ten days to reply. Instead, there was an email of one hour sent to some of the

FIFA executives in Latin America at five or six in the morning. So, that gets to the president

of the government, I think in Colombia, Latin America, at five six at the

madrugada, so they made a quick decision to suspend me without giving me the chance to build

the defense. Objectively, I think that was completely wrong. I am a lawyer. I am a lawyer. I don't understand the fact that I haven't been able to defend myself before or after. I am a lawyer. I don't understand that.

Because no me have made the fundamentals. I am a lawyer. I think one of the reasons that you're in the problem that you're in is that your federation publicly called Jenny a liar and said you were telling the truth when in fact it's a complicated situation with two different recollections of what happened and it may be she's being as honest as you are in her head about what she felt actually happened there and it may be you feel the same way and so there's a disagreement there but for your federation to publicly trash her I felt that was unacceptable behavior by the Federation.

And if you're Jenny Hamosa, you've been humiliated. You've been called a liar to the world. And that may be why she's now taken the further action that she's taken. So with a judicial review, I'm not going to comment on that. I think what's important is that I focused on what happened. I can't talk about what other players said, what other managers said, different federations. you know it's down to the judge. And what I need to focus on now is my honor and respect.

The problem you have is that on September the 8th, Jenny Homozo filed a formal legal complaint against you, which will now proceed through the criminal courts, alleging assault. And there was a further allegation of coercion with Homo so telling the prosecutor that her relatives had suffered pressure from you and your professional entourage to say that she justified and approved what happened.

What was your feeling when you heard that she was making this a criminal prosecution? I have never pressurized anybody into anything. You categorically deny that? Totally. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. And nobody in your entourage, your team, has put any pressure on, Jenny Hamoser. I have never pressured.

anybody. I have never sent anybody to pressure anyone. There was an allegation that Jorge Vilda, who was the coach of the women's team, who initially supported you, he applauded you when you gave your statement in public, and then said your behaviour was unacceptable and was a macho attitude, there was an allegation that he had tried to persuade Jenny Helmoso to be supportive towards it. Is that true? Who said this? That he had tried to persuade Jenny Homoso to be supportive. supported towards you. Have you heard that?

No, no, don't in Spanish. No, no chance that Jorge Vilde precious to anybody. There's been a strong reaction from the Spanish men's players, both current and past. They issued a statement

of solidarity. Hector Belleran, he used to play for my team Arsenal, put a statement on Instagram saying it's truly shameful what is happening. Football is a social tool to advance and progress machismo should have no place within this system. The narcissist never believes they've made a mistake.

He's capable of lying. Very strong words from Hector Bellerin. But, Pierce, you can read me 2,000 or 2 million, because everybody spoke about it. Some of them spoke before to see some videos and some information. Other spoke after other chains, what they say before. But when you're called by an international player, When you're called a lying, here's my question, when you're called a lying narcissist who's going after the victim, that's got to hurt, isn't it?

I mean... The international players read, communicate, so similar if you compare it, that the word I say in the General Assembly. That I had a mistake, very big mistake, everybody is speaking. Do you accept the argument that your behavior? was macho? No. And you don't? No.

My behavior was inappropriate, but no sexual content. No sexual content. Macho doesn't have to be sexual. No, you ask me... Macho hasn't got to be sexual. No, yeah, but I'm going to ask you with a question you did me some minutes ago. About the men team. Did you do the same?

You asked me before? What I asked, what I answered you? You said you did? Yes. player. I kiss and no two, how do you say, two decimums the second, two tens of seconds, okay? More. Of course. Do you think, Lewis, do you think, I can see the impact this has all had on you. And it's a very difficult thing to be accused of what you've been accused of. Do you feel that now it's become a criminal matter that this has got completely out of hand? Do you think that is

a massive overreach? I am a lawyer. I am a Spanish citizen. I have been through many processes, criminal as well, and nothing has ever stuck. If you were convicted, and it's a big if.

No, no. But if you were convicted, No, no, no. Well, I have to ask the question. Okay, okay. If you were convicted, you would face potentially a prison sentence. Have you thought about that, about the worst-case scenario that you might go to prison for a kiss? Again, I have full faith that the truth will come out and everything will be fine.

But you do not believe in your heart that you're a criminal. I think that I'm a good person. Take a look at my face. I am a good guy. Look at my face. Look at me in the eyes. The situation of Max happiness. Read my lips.

Max happiness, when a war ends, when you win a World Cup, and events like that, it's an amazing feeling. It can be nothing more than complete joy. Do you regret? that all the attention since the Spanish women won the World Cup has been about you and your behavior and not the women who won this amazing tournament. It gives me an incredible amount of sadness.

With the job that we've done, we've invested. We've built a budget from 3 million up to 27 million. The elements of professionality that we've given to this team, we've got more teams below the national side, It just makes me very, very sad. When you played, your nickname was Pundano, which is Spanish for pride, because of your tenacity and hardworking style of play. Are you proud of yourself as you sit here today?

When you look back at one's life, a man's life, one mistake can't cloud everything that a man does. I said I'm sorry. I said it with sincerity. I hope I have been I've been the humiliation of to pay

pardon of a manner sincere I hope I have some good health

and I have some years left to watch my daughters turned

into fabulous women you know we make honest mistakes I have

made them before they have always been honest mistakes

and at not stage to hurt anybody you You've said repeatedly that you're sorry for what you did, but you haven't apologized directly to Jenny Hamoso. Now is your opportunity.

Would you like to apologize personally to her for the way she was left feeling about this? So what happened is bad for everyone. We had Jenny lifting me. We have the fleeting keys. to tens of a second. But what was created from that is crazy. So what's left is for me to defend my dignity.

I understand that, but I also understand that she feels very differently about what happened. And it seems strange to me that you would keep saying sorry for what you did. but you won't say sorry to the woman that you did it to. No. So it's not about that, Pierce. It's about humility. I have maintained a same version from the what we had in the beginning was two versions that were exactly the same,

and therefore an anecdote. And now all I can do is defend the stance that I have had from the very first day. Aneddoe an anecdote between two persons, so that's what I'll continue defending. I'm going to try one last time, because you keep saying you're sorry and you made a mistake and you shouldn't have done it, but you won't say sorry to Jenny personally, and I'm curious why you're reluctant to do that. So what we had is a spontaneous act, a mutual act, an act that both consented to you, which was

driven by the emotion of the moment, the happiness. So I maintain that that is the truth of what happened. So again, just to be clear, no sexual content. And everything that happened was driven by the emotion, the effervescence of the day and the happiness. If it was all, as you say, why was it such a big mistake? Because a president can't be.

behave that way towards the executives at the game on the podium. Yes, a president can give a hug, but needs to act in a more diplomatic and colder way. I agree with you. So if you accept that as president what you did was wrong and it was a mistake and it was inappropriate, there's only one woman you did that to. Wouldn't the honorable thing, as a gentleman be, to say,

I'm sorry. I have three daughters. I have seen the reaction before, during and after. Again, I'm going to say that this was all down to a very happy moment, a celebration, a euphoric moment. moment. There was no harm, no sexual content, no aggression, nothing like that. The significance of the kiss to Jenny would have been exactly the same as a kiss to one of my daughters. Between friends and family, that's very, very good. I understand, but here's what I would say, if one of your daughters ends up playing football for Spain and she ends up winning the World Cup and she goes up to get her

medal and there's a male president who is much, much older, and he grabs her and he kisses her on my lips and she's the only one of the whole team he does that to. And he admits afterwards he shouldn't have done it and it was a mistake. I bet you as the father of your daughter, would the roles reversed a bit, would say he should just apologize to my daughter. who the daughter is, to consenting adults in a moment that was mutual, where she lifted me up, where I asked her a question that you can clearly see. There was no intention, no harm. This shows that actually this was just a mere

Anecdot. ... defusivo and product of the emotion of the moment to be champions. But you understand she doesn't think it was consensual. I think I answered you... Yeah, I'm just saying you understand that she doesn't agree. I have my version if other person's change version is not my... You've come under ferocious pressure for three weeks now. On you, on your family, it's been very difficult for your daughters, their young girls.

girls. I can only imagine as a father myself, I have a daughter who's around the age of one of your girls. Incredibly difficult. There comes a point, perhaps, when the pressure is just so relentless that you do think about what you should do with yourself and your future. Many people think you should resign as president. What are you going to do? I love so much my daughters, and they love me so, so much. I'm very happy and I'm very proud of them. Very, very proud of them. They are very near to me.

About my resignation, yes, I'm going to do. You're going to resolve? Yeah, I'm going to, yes, because I cannot continue my work for two or three reasons. First of all, I have a suspension. And this suspension is just starting and is going to do. going to continue. I'm sure because if you can see how it was done, it's going to continue.

At the same time, I think that the Federation is not a question about if I can support or know this mediatic tsunami. It's about to know how it's going to affect to the Royal Spanish Football Federation. And I love my country and I love football. And I don't want damage for them. Another third item about it is we are running for the World Cup in 2013. We made an incredible job during the last five and a half years. We started Fernando Gomez, the president of Portuguese Federation and me, more than that. than five years ago with this. I think that now is better for this bit,

for me to go out. And I spoke, no directly, but to WERFA. They are agree. Then I cannot be egoist and to take the chair and not to move myself. Because the situation changed so much. From the moment I say, I'm not going to resign.

And now, change. so much in three weeks. I don't know it's incredible how how fast can we some institution. What was the final moment for you was it talking to your family, your dad perhaps? Yeah my my father my daughters I spoke with with them. It's not they know it's not a question about me and some friends very very close to me and they He said to me, Louis, now you have to focus in your dignity and to continue your life, because if not probably you are going to damage people you love, and the sport you love and the bit you built with some people a long time ago.

Now it's very, very near the resolution next September in one year. Then when someone is not thinking only about himself, because I have to support a a lot in these three weeks, but this more a question of not only me. And then an attitude of me can affect third parties very important. And in this situation now, the more intelligent and the thing I have to do. How do you feel now you've made that decision to resign? It's a huge thing to do. You have the most powerful job in Spanish football.

football, you've loved that job. It should have been the greatest day of your life, winning the World Cup. It's turned out to be the worst day of your career. Now you've lost the job that you love. How do you feel about it? Life is life. Life is life and we have to be open mind with this and continue. And not to look at everybody what you had.

One thing will come, but good things for sure. I'm going to work and I'm going to work. to work and I'm young and I only hope to have health to be healthy, to be with my family, to work strong. Whatever I'm going to do. I had some projects with some people that were in a part because I focus 100% of my life in football. That one kiss, Lewis, has turned out to have pretty horrendous repercussions for you.

Do you wish you'd never kissed? Could be worse. Could be worse. People sometimes have to go with other more serious things. Football, Spanish football can be calm with this. I always act with honest, honestly. What do you say, Lewis, to women watching this, who may only know about you from what they've seen that day and from what they've read since or seen on television since about you. What do you say to women who think that what you did was a real affront to women's football to women? And they look at you and think, why did you do that?

I'm proud of all my team that did it possible. A lot of people, a lot of women say to me, I'm with you. You have a mistake, but it's not what people say in some media, then be strong. We are with you. this is I don't know I don't want to say a percentage but I'm reconfort comfort comforted comforted sorry but some people support you yeah not some I think a lot of a lot

of but not because they are supporting a mistake no they censure the mistake of course But they support me because this mistake is not what other people are talking about. It's a mistake that costs you your job. I think that when you have a lot of people looking at you, you have to be excellent. I don't know if 100% of time, but in a lot of time. And I wasn't excellent. Now I had to take a decision, like I said to this, to say I don't move and to complicate the future of some people and the sports I love and the institution I love.

And I think it's more generous. Have you told your daughters that you are going to resign? In the moment I finish this interview. Well, Lewis, I guess in the end people will watch the whole interview. And they'll make their own minds up about what they think of you. It is a complicated issue. But I wish you well, and I appreciate the interview. Thank you.

Thank you very much for this info.