Piers Morgan Uncensored - Piers Morgan Uncensored: Megflix

Episode Date: December 5, 2022

Tonight on Piers Morgan Uncensored, Piers looks to Harry and Meghan's upcoming Netflix show. Princess Diana's former butler, Paul Burrell, joins Piers in slamming the upcoming Netflix documentary and believing they should be stripped of their royal titles. Paula Rhone-Adrien and Tom Bower also lean in on the debate. Rabbi Marvin Hier speaks to Piers Morgan about anti-Semitism in America. As England goes through to the quarter-final of the World Cup, Piers asks if the football has declared victory over the virtue signalists.  Watch Piers Morgan Uncensored at 8 pm on TalkTV on Sky 522, Virgin Media 606, Freeview 237 and Freesat 217. Listen on DAB+ and the app.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Tonight, appears Morgan uncensored. No one knows the full truth. We know the full truth. What they wouldn't know the truth is smack them around their privilege chops. Harry and Megan detonate what's left of their royal relationships by releasing two nauseating Netflix trailers. Tonight will reveal that even those are packed full of lies. So will they now finally be stripped of their remaining titles?

Meanwhile, Donald Trump hosts a secret dinner with Kanye Yei West, who then goes on to. to be banned from Twitter after posting a swastika in the star of David and defending Hitler. I'll talk to the rabbi who was at Donald Trump's inaugurations. He's still standby, the former president, and surely run again. Plus, England's steaming to the quarterfinals of a World Cup as fast becoming one of the most entertaining of all time as football declared victory over the virtue signals. Live from London, this is Pearce Morgan Uncensored.

Well, good evening from London. Welcome to Pierce Morgan, uncensored. Harry and Megan, the dreariest couple in the history of planet Earth, famously abandoned their royal duties for a life of privacy. They left the Goldfish Bowl of Great Britain but a camouflage of California, remember?

Famously sheltered from the evil British press. And since then, they've kept an incredibly low profile as they vowed to. If you excuse the massive book deals, the Silicon Valley start-ups, they're preaching videos about well-being. the podcast, the speeches and the major network interviews with everyone from Oprah Winfrey to James Corden.

But they barely been seen or heard at all, have they? Well, on Thursday, they'll quietly and apologetically release their $100 million documentary series on Netflix. There are trailers for this, and viewers with sensitive stomachs should look away now. Why did you want to make this documentary? No one sees what's happening behind the closed doors. Utterly nauseousy.

I mean, literally. I literally recoiled while watching it. The sanctimony, the fake drama, the hammy, woe is me that's been going on now for years. The somber tickle of the piano keys. The staged black and white photographs of this very ordinary young oppressed couple, having what appears to be some tiny semblance of fun in their California mansion as they count all their money. Incredibly, it gets worse. I had to do everything I could to protect my family. I mean, nothing says protecting your family like doing a reality TV,

fly on the more documentary about every aspect of your family life for the delectation of the entire planet, does it, Harry? Well, a braying pack of paparazzi photographers jostling the space to hound the happy couple. That's what we just saw, right? Childhood photographs clearly intended to evoke the tragic death of his mother, Diana. Those photographers we just saw weren't actually interested in Prince Harry at all. They were at the premiere of a Harry Potter movie five years before Harry even met. There were any royals there at all.

This apparently sneaky paparazzo lurking above the Sussexes was actually invited there to cover their meeting with Archbishop Tutu in Cape Town. Another photo used in the promotions shows Harry's outstretched hand, apparently shielding the couple from photographers. Only, it's actually a cropped photo of Harry with ex-girlfriend Chelsea Davy,

taken in 2007. And a press scrum, shown dashing after the unhappy couple, was actually chasing after reality TV star one of their compatriots now, Katie Price, at Crawley Magistrate's Court. Ironically, for a couple of repeatedly sued newspapers for intrusion and inaccuracy, they've just put a lot of whoppers into their trailers. That's before we even get to the main event. When the stakes are this high, doesn't it make more sense to hear our story from us?

Oh, shut up. What do you mean the stakes are this high? Who do you think you are? other than a latte-munching imbecile, living in luxury in California, while the rest of the world is a cost of living crisis, moaning and whining about an institution which gave you the titles on which you now trade millions of dollars. What are you talking about what stakes are there,

other than the massive gigantic stake you're currently plunging into our monarchy over here? And as for telling their story, sorry, if I missed something? I thought you've been telling your truth, which is often a pack of lies from the moment you abandoned this country. Well, today's new trailer doubles down on the last trailer and there's more tears.

Remember that clip of Megalmont showing us how she could cry like that at the drop of a little tarnish tarnished tiara? Remember that? She could do it like that. Let's bear that in mind when you watch her who-hoo-hoo! Did you get that one?

And as for the shameful comparisons of Princess Diana. I remember Prince Harry being very, very angry about the media exploiting his mother for commercial game. What has he done with this Netflix series? He's used his mother to sell it.

Could there be a more grotesque exploitation or a more hypocritical one than him using his dead mother's imagery to engender sympathy for himself again as the great victim in this world? I find it all puk-making. And I speak to someone who's actually in one of these things. I pop up.

Yeah, me. And to my astonishment, I was being very nice about Megan Markle. Let's listen. It's really hard to look back on it now and go, what on earth happened? You hear that? That is the sound of heartbreaking

all around the world. She's becoming a royal rock star. And then everything changed. There's a hierarchy of the family. You know, there's leaking, but there's also planting of stories. There was a war against Megan to suit other people's agendas. It's about hatred. It's about race.

It's a dirty game. Pain and suffering of women marrying into this institution, this unique frenzy. I realized they're never going to protect you. I was terrified. I didn't want history to repeat itself. No one knows the full truth. We know the full truth. God, you wouldn't know the truth if it hit you around the back of your head.

And Harry, here's the point. We're not really interested in your truth. You've been saying it for the last two, three years. Your version of what you think happened. And yeah, I did say Megan was becoming a royal rock star, and I'm pleased you quote me in there because it shows that I was, like the rest of the British media, very positive about your new bride

until your mutual behaviour became hypocritical and ridiculous after the wedding. Your claim that you're the victims of a dirty game is especially brazen, given that these trailers have been released to deliberately overshadow a visit by the Prince and Princess of Wales to the United States. The timing, of course, is unforgivable, if entirely unsurprising. And a typically cynical ploy to overshadow a vitally important royal tool, the first since the death of Queen Elizabeth. And what about his father in all this?

A man who's not even been coronated as king yet. Still mourning the death of his mother. Is he going to cop it in this series? you can bet your life you will. Charles is going to have to take it again from his son with no ability to speak out and return fire. This series will do great numbers for Netflix, but maybe not for the reasons they hoped.

The Oxford English Dictionary defines hate watching as the activity of watching for the sake of enjoyment derived from mocking or criticising. That's a measure of success. Harry and Megan, you're going to have a smash hit. But of course, the real measure of success for both of them will be the same as it always has been. How much damage can they inflict on our royal family,

on our monarchy. How can they make it all about them? How can they continue to play the victims when they live in such unparalleled luxury the other side of the world? This gruesome-to-sum only survived by cashing in on what's left of their royal status now. I said it before, I'll say it again tonight. King Charles should strip them at all their remaining titles and cast them out from any connection to the royal family. How could any of them trust them as far as I could throw them? Because without it, they're just winding millennial windbags with a permanent victim complex, knowing that victim mood is what makes them all the money. Well, joining me now is Royal author Tom Baugh,

former butler to Princess Donna Paul Burrell. I'm a lowering commentator, Paul Rohn, Adrian, who's turned up looking magnificent tonight. Thank you. Is this prompting me to stumble into a where are you really from question? And ask me where my people are from here. Absolutely.

I actually wasn't on air after all that. And I know you took part in a debate about it. I mean, but I think it's quite interesting. A lot of friends of mine, handsome family, actually. Well, I think the treatment of Lady Susan has been way over the top. She's an 83-year-old woman, didn't really know what she was doing, dug herself into a hole, probably didn't even realize until the balloon went up the next day, where's our sense of forgiveness, all this kind of thing.

I personally felt that her asking where this lady came from, given she was dressed in her garb from her African and Caribbean heritage, I thought it was perfectly reasonable to ask where are you from, right to the point where she tells you, I'm born in my husband, Britain and I'm British. At that point, the interrogation has to stop. And she carried on in what became an increasingly cringe-making way, which I think if I had been a black woman in that position, I would have found actually very offensive. And I'm glad that you said the word interrogation, because that's what it was. It's the way it felt, right? However, we stop there with

our agreements because you reference her as being this 83-year-old woman who was digging herself a whole. We're talking about somebody whose job it was and who was present throughout 50 years in terms of diplomacy, assisting the Queen as her lady in waiting. This wasn't a woman who lived at the bottom of my

street in Plasto or Upton Park and East Ender. Okay, this was a woman who was well educated and should have known better and with age comes wisdom. There's no excuse. You must know ladies, ladies, isn't us. I know her very well. What was your reaction to it all? I actually felt sorry for the whole situation developing the way it did

because Lady Susan is 83 and she's not upon the woke society and what we should say or shouldn't say. But, Paul, how many policies are in place? How many training sessions do they have? No, they don't. They're ladies waiting who answer mail. They answer. They signed letters on behalf of the Queen.

How could they be so apparently insensitive after all the aggravation around Mega Markle? Because the palace is, it's dysfunctional. You know that, Peirce. It doesn't work the way we think it works. It works 100 years ago. But Tom, why should age be an excuse? And I'm lots of people in the Aetis who don't feel necessary to be that clumsy

when they speak to black people. Why should we give her a pass? Well, you know, Pears, on this subject, I really want to pass. Because I don't really think... Do you know what, don't pass? Because this is exactly what we need to do. We need to have uncomfortable discussions. Yes. Please don't pass.

You're not allowed to pass, Tom. I never know you pass, aren't it? No. I don't think Lady Susan. I don't think Lady Susan. Because you think it's not really your place to say whether a black person felt racially offended. I think, I'm sure she did feel offended. I'm sure she did. I've no doubt about that at all. It's whether the situation should have arisen out. I really don't. I wasn't there. And I'm going to pass.

Okay. Let's move on to what we're going to talk about time, which is this Netflix series. I mean, it seems to be, to me, to be confirming everyone. worst fears, probably worse actually. And then whacking the media is one thing. They've been doing that the whole time, whilst using the media when it suits him, as they are now with Netflix. If you're King Charles,

if you're the new Prince of Wales, this is an absolute hammer blow, this series. This is the real-life crown sticking it to them, right? When they least want anyone to stick it to them. They're trying to rebuild the monarchy after the death of our greatest monarch.

That's my objection with it. Well, I think it's worse than that because I think it's the lies, which is the bigger objection. And first of all, the whole premise of today's trailer was about the impossible for a woman outside of becoming an insider. Well, Kate Middleton did it. Perfectly acceptable. Sophie Wessex did it. And Diana was not an outsider. The Spencer family were as insiders you can be.

The second thing which I find really objectionable is their attack on the media. This is a couple, as you rightly said, your introduction. We opt for Winfrey, the cut, variety. Never stop. Just stop the minute. And so they are the greatest manipulators. And you've forgotten in your list, Omba Scobe is frightening freedom. Right.

Where they lied on oath that they had no... About collaborating, yeah. Collaborating. So they are really very... But I think the most important element now is how is the palace going to react. What would you do if you were then? I think the only way they can react

is after the Netflix series giving an interview. I think either the king or William have got to break this idea of never complain, never explain. They've got to take it head on. You know what? If you lie down with dogs, Tom, you get fleas. Well, I disagree with you because I think that it'll be a global sensation. Then comes the book. And I don't think that the royal family can allow the lies which the Sussex is a perpetuating to go unanswered.

I mean, the sheer number of lies in the trailers about these pictures, none of which actually depict what we're being led to believe they debate. But it's going to be much worse. We know that. We've known that for months. We've been saying it for months. this is going to be a bomb show. It's Armageddon, yeah. It is. Paul, we've talked about this a lot. How do you defend what they're doing?

Given that clearly the intent now is very clear to do as much damage as they can to the royal family of monarchy, regurgitating stuff they've been saying now for years to maximum damaging a failure. How do you defend it? Peers, this isn't about defending. This is about identifying pain.

And what we are witnessing here are two people who are in pain. I don't believe it. But you don't have to. No. But you are witnessing the fallout of it. I think she's an actress playing the role of her life in this series. You don't have to accept.

You don't have to accept that you've insulted me. You don't have to accept it. But you will have to accept the fallout from insulting me because I am going to react to it. And this is the problem that the royal family have. And I don't think the answer is for them to do an interview. I think that would be the worst thing that they could do. What they need to do is getting a professional mediator.

What they need to do is now start dealing with the problem. The problem exists, and we had a glimpse of that with Miss Hussie and Ms. Fulani. No, no, don't conflate the two. Well, you say that, but when we're talking about racism, it's very hard to prove racism. They were complaining about it long before Lady Husty came in. I have, I have. Their truth is their lies. That is the whole point.

We know in Oprah there were at least 17 lies, right? I'm going to be counting on Netflix. There were six lies in the trailers about the pictures, which don't depict what they say. Which were no doubt produced by the trainee, part-time person who was playing together their flits. Come on, that was nothing to do with Harry and... Here's my question, Paul. You're King Charles. What on earth do you do, given that one of these two people, trying to ruin everything you represent, is your own son?

You take away the titles. I agree with you. You do. Absolutely. They don't want to be members of the royal family, so why should they trade on the old titles? They know that because of the prince. He will always be a prince, yes. He will always be a prince, and then she'll become a princess. She's the princess. So the problem is that the lies have got to be confronted.

You cannot rely on, you know, a reporter shouting at William as they did it after the opera with everything. Are you racist? He says, we're not a racist family. But then fix the problem with professional help. Don't fall into the trap of fighting hate bombs with hate bombs because that's what's happening. Megan and Harry are hurting. They feel... They're not hurting.

They're counting their money. They have worked out. But they have to earn, here's, where else are they going to get money from? But the only way they can earn money is trashing their family. It's the only thing they do. Year in, year out now, everything they do. It's just going to discount that? That is all about sustaining their royal status so they can trash their family for the big bucks.

That's just clearly not true. It's all smacks of self-obsessed narcissism to me. And I always think... You've been quite supportive of Harry in the bus. Absolutely, you know. Does this cross the line for you? I've crossed the line because... Harry decided to take this path to America.

He decided to do what he did for the right reasons to protect his family. I thought, great. Diana would have applauded that. His mother would have said, great, Harry, you're doing the right things. She would not have applauded what he's doing now. The commercialism around it. She never took a cent, never took a penny. And she never attacked the monarchy as an institution. She was a great supporter of monarchy.

She said to me, I longed to hug my mother-in-law. I longed to put my arms around her. I know what goes on inside her head. And she was very proud of her boys being members of the Royal Family. She always thought it was Harry's job to be William's wingman, to be there for him on his path to monarchy.

That was his job. Paul, if one of your family was doing this constantly for huge amounts of money, just abusing you and the rest of the family, would you be as tolerant of it? You have to be, because the problem's never going to be resolved. I'm not sure you do, actually. I think you'll actually reach a point to put him a drift. You say that.

I'm trying to think if one of my own sons of this to me, or one of my own brothers of this to me, but what do I do? Actually, after years of it, you go, I'm done. Yes, I'm done. Yes, you do. You don't ask for a media. You say no. We're talking about racism. We're talking about, you're talking about trash in the family. You're talking about people who feel that their mental health was so, all right, so we're so affected that she was going to commit suicide. That's what we're talking about. As you know, I don't believe a lot of that stuff. I know. Right. Tell me one bad thing that Charles. or William are said publicly about Megan and Harry. I'm not aware of any. And I'm not suggesting that they have. It's the opposite. That's the line they continue to take.

It's all one way. I am completely weird. Not one word from either of them, critical as those things. But that doesn't mean we ignore what Harry and Megan are saying. That doesn't mean we don't confront the Netflix program. I don't believe it. Tom? Well, I just think you've got to start at the beginning. That Megan came to Britain thinking she was going to be number one.

She was going to be the star. She couldn't understand. She didn't understand the hierarchy. She didn't want to understand. When she understood it, she wanted it. Who helped her? They all went out of their way to help. Actually, the Queen did.

The Queen did. 16 people were helping her. She had really intelligent, devoted women, highly committed. These are people who understand what it is to be a black female, who understand what it is to be an American, who understand what it is in terms of a cultural identity. We've only seen the trailers, and the series drops first three episodes on Thursday.

Yeah, I can't bear it. We'll all watch it. Whether we want to or not. We'll sit together. We'll sit together. Well, you can sit back on here on Thursday night and we'll debate it. When we actually see what's in it. But I dread to think what they're going to come out with.

It's too much. They are in danger of destroying what is good about Britain, our royal family. Our king not yet had his coronation and William and Kate, who are going to be our future king and queen. What they did to their... If something needs to be fixed, if something needs to be fixed. They can't do this in public. I'm going to leave you two to walk off into the sunset together, holding hands.

the odd couple. Tom, good to see you. Thank you all very much. Coming next, they cover their mouths in protest. The Germany was left with their feet in their mouths crashing out of the World Cup early. I'm going to talk to legendary, and I'm talking a proper legend here, sports broadcaster Bob Costas,

most famous commentator in American sport, and one of my sporting heroes. Talk to him next about this whole issue of sports washing, virtue signaling. Is this something athletes should be doing? Should they leave it alone? What does the World Cup tell us? about this and what is he thinking.

Join Bob Costas after that. Well, Silicon Canyon West banned from Twitter again for posting a vile tweet of a swastika merger of the star of David. This came, of course, after he met with Donald Trump at Murillago, but there was another anti-Semite. Should Trump denounce him, is it all too late? We'll talk to the rabbi who addressed Trump's inauguration,

shortly. But first, the World Cup in Qatar is becoming the most entertaining, perhaps of all time. A bit of disappointment for those who attempted to overshadow the tournament was sank to fomnius virtue signaling, including memorably to Germany players who covered their mouths before their game against Japan before losing the game 2-1 and crashing out of the tournament. They were widely mocked by Japanese supporters and Katari TV hosts who covered their mouths and waved goodbye as the Germans got the first flight at home. Well, Arsenal legend Arsend Benga, now FIFA's head of development, summed up rather well.

And the teams as well who were mentally ready, like Eugen said, the mindset to focus on competition and not on political demonstrations. Well, I'm thrilled to be joined now by the sports casting legend. Bob Costas, one of America's greatest sporting commentators, a veteran of a record 12 Olympic Games, winning no fewer than 28 Emmy Awards for his peerless commentary.

Bob, what a treat to have you on Pierce Morgan Uncessor. Thank you so much. Thanks, Pierce. Great to see you again, even from a distance. I have one daytime Emmy, and I've never covered an Olympics. So you're slightly a head. head of me and I bow to your superiority quite willingly.

This whole issue, Bob, I just couldn't think of a better person to talk to about where the line is drawn between political activism or social justice activism for that matter and sport and this issue of sport washing, whether it's in golf with the live golfers and the PGA at war, whether it's what we've been seeing in Qatar at the World Cup with people saying they're going to protest, they're not protesting, then being ridiculed for it. others like the Iranian players making a genuinely powerful stand against oppression of their women

back home. Going right back perhaps to Colin Kaepernick who was of course the NFL player who took the knee for the first time and the England players at this World Cup are still taking the knee in his honour I guess because he was the one who started it. So it's a lot

of stuff going on in this area. What is your overview of political activism and sport? I think, Pierce, we have to make distinctions from one situation to another, one person to another. Just because I may agree with a general cause or issue and with the person's right to make a statement, doesn't mean that I have to agree with everything they say under that manner. Colin Kaepernick is a good example.

There's no question, even if some people may overstate the severity, there's no question that police reform is an important issue in the United States. and where it needs to be reformed, the burden primarily falls upon people of color in the United States. That's legitimate. But then when Colin Kaepernick subsequently says, I don't vote because the oppressors will never allow you to vote your way out of your oppression. When he said that, Barack Obama was president. I guess he didn't vote when Donald Trump ran against Hillary Clinton, and then Donald Trump became president. That's a silly and naive thing to say, even if I respect the initial point that Colin Kaepernick wanted to make.

Within this year's World Cup, the Iranians not only are making a very important point, it's a courageous point to make because heaven knows what might happen to any of them when they return home. And they're directly involved in that. Some might say that others at a safe distance covering their mouths or whatever are merely virtue signal. But then it all circles back to the IOC, in their case, putting two Olympics in China, another one in Vladimir Putin's Russia, and FIFA now going to Qatar. As you have stated previously, and I agree with this, obviously, every nation has flaws and problems and issues

and things that they need to correct and shame in their past, and maybe in some cases in an ongoing way. But then there are nations in the here and now, we're not talking about history, in the here and now, that are fundamental human rights abusers. Qatar is one of those. China is certainly one of those. Putin's Russia is one of those.

Putin's Russia is one of those, and these athletes will never have a platform that will draw as many eyes and make as large an impact as they do at an Olympics or at a World Cup. And it's ironic that FIFA and the IOC say, let's keep politics out of this. Please keep politics out of this. But they're the ones who put politics in it by placing these events in places like guitar and Sochi and in Beijing. So as long as the protest, whatever it may be, is not within the match or the game itself, because people do want to watch the game or the match for its own sake, and it's very exciting. I think you undermine your own cause if you get in the way of the game itself. But surrounding the game, or for commentators in the programming that precedes the game or at halftime or postgame,

then I think it's okay. You see, well, A, a brilliant response, as I would have expected, and very thoughtful. and nuanced in many places. I would take issue, I think, about a couple of things you said. The main one I think is this. There was a lot of, I think, over-the-top virtue signaling about Qatar from the UK in particular. Not from America, interestingly.

But in the UK, a lot of sort of anger built up in the very last minute about a World Cup that was awarded 12 years ago. The Middle East has never had a World Cup. If the stick to beat the Middle East on human rights is ill-treatment of migrant workers and LGBT rights, for example, then you're basically saying

you can't have a sports tournament in the Middle East at all because they would all have similar issues with migrant worker treatment and outlawing LGBT rights completely in most countries. But you'd also have the same situation in Africa. You'd have the same situation in China,

the same situation in vast ways of India, of Russia, and so on. And so I think what I would say back to you, Bob, on that point, once you start putting the moral halo on about human rights, I'm not sure you can end up with many places in the world which are clean enough to actually host, say, a World Cup. And I'll throw it back to you in this way. You and I have both actually got into trouble at different times in our careers in America, yours more successful than mine,

about gun control, for example. You expressed a view about gun control when you were on air once and got a lot of blowback. I did a lot more and got a lot more. blowback and got told to go back to the UK. But the next World Cup is in America, shared with Canada and Mexico. Should people be taking a strident view, for example, about gun violence in America as an issue, about abortion laws, which have just dramatically changed, which are very contentious in many other parts of the world, what America's done there? In other words, if you continue down the road of putting a halo on and deciding who is fit to host these things,

I think you've got to be consistent and accept that every country, including America, including Britain, which helped America illegally invade Iraq, of course, in 2003, that we all have actually pretty big abuses, which would be quite hard to defend. Yeah, there are matters of degree. The points you make are legitimate, and by the way, just parenthetically, as you know,

my point about guns in America and as it affects athletes was to say that there is a gun culture in America, not to take issue with the fundamental idea of the Second Amendment, which is a big deal in the United States. But even if you believe in the Second Amendment, you should also be able to recognize that there's a lot of irresponsibility surrounding guns and some of it had crossed over into sports. So that was the comment I was trying to make. But sometimes people get irrational about certain things, hear what they want to hear, and take it from there. So forgive me for that, I think the point you're making is legitimate, but it's a question of degree. If we're looking for a perfect nation, maybe you'd have to hold every Olympics in Switzerland,

which, ironically enough, is where the IOC is located in Lausanne. But we're talking about degree. The United States most certainly has its problems, and athletes historically and sometimes movingly have registered their complaints and their protests about that. Qatar, Putin's Russia, Beijing, they are fundamental human rights abusers. It's definitive about them, rather than flaws that the nations we're talking about, the United Kingdom or the UK, America, Canada, they are actively trying to address, however imperfectly, however haltingly, it's within their DNA, it's within the American Constitution to address

these inequities and injustices, whereas it is the policy of the governments of Qatar and China and Putin's Russia to oppress people and engage in, in many cases, Russia, in this case, international treachery. Did the United States make a huge mistake post-9-11 in invading Iraq? Yes, they did, but I think you could make a strong case that that is not fundamentally what the United States is about. I mean, it's an interesting rejoinder. I mean, I would say, having been in Qatar last week, there's a lot of, I think, resentment and raised eyebrows

about what they perceive to be the West's moral hypocrisy. And they feel quite strongly about it, that they've been over-demonized, and the West under-demonizes itself and doesn't want to turn the same critical eye to its own moral failings. And they point in, like in the UK, for example, we have appalling drug abuse now in our country.

It's sort of rife with drugs now. Appalling knife crime. You know, all sorts of metrics for sort of moral degeneration, if you like, which is anathema to a lot of people in the Middle East, where drug laws are incredibly draconian. You know, there's very little knife crime of the kind we have in the UK and so on. So actually being there on the ground was really quite interesting.

It's not to defend everything that they stand for, but I do think it's a commonality through the Middle East, pretty much what Qatar represents. and they believe they're representing the whole region with the World Cup. And I have to say, having been there, Bob, it was a very good atmosphere, felt very safe. Everything was, you know, running very smoothly. And it's not like, I know, the Germans ran the trains while under Hitler. It's more, I was there, and they all seemed to be having a pretty good time, I have to say.

Well, the World Cup is a wonderful event. And from what I hear from a distance, it has been run smoothly, just as you say. One thing I heard repeatedly when I hosted the Olympics, I always asked the heads of the IOC when they brought them in for an interview, what is it with this seeming affinity for authoritarian nations with the IOC? And the answer always was, we feel that by holding an Olympics anywhere, it helps to spread the Olympic ideals of equality and diversity and democracy. It helps to spread those ideas. How's that working out with China? How's that working out with Putin's Russia? And we'll see if there are any reforms in Qatar or Iran.

I tend to doubt it. Right. Bob, I could talk to you all night. What I wanted to ask before I let you go, you've interviewed so many fascinating people in the sporting world. If you could literally, if it was your last hour on a... which I hope won't come for a very long time. Who would you, of every sports, sportsman and woman you've ever met,

who would you most like to spend that hour with? Dead or alive? Well, if it's the one, all right, well, then you just answered the question. Dead or alive, because of my affinity for baseball, I would like to sit Babe Ruth down with Jackie Robinson. Babe Ruth was the greatest player pre-integration. Jackie Robinson is not the greatest player, although he's a great player, but he's perhaps the most significant player.

in the modern history of baseball. And to have them talk not only about baseball, but about the country they grew up in, Ruth at the turn of the century, and Jackie Robinson in the middle of the 20th century. That's the interview I'd like to conduct. Brilliant. I would choose Sir Donald Bradman, who statistically, Australian batsman, cricket,

statistically the greatest sportsman of all time, the gap between him and the second-placed international average player was greater than the gap between one and two of any other sport in the world? You know, I once referred to Sir Donald in a piece on HBO as the Babe Ruth of cricket. And in fact, there's a great picture of the two of the meeting. It's a wonderful picture. Really? Yeah, Bradman and Babe Ruth. It's an amazing picture.

Bob, thank you so much for joining me. Honestly, I could talk to you all night. You're such a fascinating guy, and I really appreciate it. Thank you, Pierce. Hope we talk again soon. Good to talk to you. All the best. Bob Costas. Well, coming up next, suspended from Twitter again. This time, Kanye Yee West posts a vile tweet in the swastika merge with the star of Davy.

He'd just come, of course, from a meeting with Donald Trump at Murillago with another anti-Semite, but Trump hasn't announced him yet. Should he, or is it too late, Rabbi Marvin Haya, who addressed Trump's inauguration? Think so. He joins me live next. Kanye West or Ye, as he prefers to be known as to some are genius, but also profoundly troubled. His views about Jewish people are completely unacceptable. I interviewed him six weeks ago and challenged him

what I felt was his anti-Semitic ranting at the time. Our explosive exchange got many views and headlines around the world. Let me ask you, yeah, if I can, about the allegations that you have made anti-Semitic comment. When you said on Instagram, I'm a bit sleepy tonight, but when I wake up, I'm going

DeathCon 3 on Jewish people. What did you mean by going DeathCon 3 on Jewish people? Being that I'm an entertainer, I've been wronged so many times by Jewish businessmen. I didn't say DefCon on anybody, though. You said DefCon 3 on Jewish people. That is racism, Ye. Are you sorry you said that? Absolutely not.

You knew it was racist, but you decided to do that because people have been racist to you. Is that your position? I'm sorry for the people that I hurt. I feel like I cause hurt and confusion. Well, last week it emerged that Yee sat down at a private dinner at Mar-a-Lago, with former President Donald Trump and a well-known Holocaust-denying anti-Semite, Nick Fuentes.

And the big question is, what should be done about that? Should Trump be held accountable, given he's not denounced either of his dinner parties. Well, I'm not joined by the man known as Hollywood Rabbi, Marvin High, as the founder of Los Angeles, is Simon Reasonthal Center and his Museum of Tolerance. He also spoke at Donald Trump's inauguration, the first Orthodox Jewish religious leader

to address the ceremony and joins me now. Robert Hire, thank you very much indeed for joining me. I appreciate it. What was your reaction? What was your reaction when you heard about this dinner? Not just with Donald Trump seeing Kanye West, after all he's been saying, and in fact, since that dinner, far worse things again,

but also this character, Nick Fuentes, who by any yardstick is a repulsive anti-Semite. Absolutely. Outrageous and unbecoming of President Trump, whose children are Jewish. And here, as you know, in the Hollywood Reporter, here's the photograph of him hugging West when in 19, this was in 2018. So in 2018, he shows everybody that he loves the guy.

And then this anti-Semite makes these horrible comments, Jews were born into money. We need a government of Christians. Jews can be here, but they can't make our laws. That would be news. In other words, he's saying that the Jews can live in the United States. They can't have any positions because he's a notorious anti-Semite. And President Trump needs to do what President Biden did, which is to condemn it. If he fails to condemn it, he's as guilty as they are.

Well, that's what I think. I think, in a way, it was terrible to have this dinner with these two people. But it was also reprehensible. Even after the furorre that blew up, he still hasn't condemned them. And we've now seen this unedifying spectacle of Kanye West going on a conspiracy shock jock, Alec Jones' show, and saying he admires Hitler. And then he posts to Twitter, a swastika in a star of David. I mean, to me, Kanye West is done.

That should be the last we see of him in a public domain. For that alone. Absolutely. And President Trump, he's definitely, he's announced he's running for president. I'll tell you one thing, any Jew that votes for him under these circumstances, it would be astonishing to me. Yeah. And his family must be embarrassed. You know, his family hasn't said.

anything, there's nothing to say. Here's a president that basically he's running, he's running for, announces himself that he's running for president and then has the excuse, why did you invite these people right now to meet with you? Oh, he says, I didn't know, it's on my agenda.

That's nonsense. But you mean, an assistant for the president doesn't know that these two anti-Semites are arriving in the way, to meet with President Trump? Well, it's complete normal.

I mean, the reason I know it's nonsense, I was at Merrillago interviewing President Trump back in April, and it's teeming with secret service. You don't think they go over every single person with a fine tooth comb? All you're going to do is Google Nick Fuentes, and up comes this litany of anti-Semitic outrages that have spewed from his mouth. Absolutely. And the only way out of this is for him, if he wants to, look, I would say this. any Jew that votes for President Trump

if he doesn't apologize and recognize that what he did is outrageous, I would be shocked. I completely agree. What should happen with Kanye West now? He calls himself yay now. But in the immediate aftermath of some of his anti-Semitic ranting, you saw horrible anti-Semitic placards go up over bridges in Los Angeles, where you are.

As a rabbi in Hollywood, how did that make you feel? Well, terrible. And Simon Wiesendor, once I asked Simon Wiesendor, why do you live in Vienna, Simon? The war's over. You got all these Nazis.

Why are you living in Vienna? He says, I'm living in Vienna because there are still Nazis there. And here's what my point. If Simon Wiesenthal were alive today, he'd be living in the United States. because that's where the bigots and the haters are. What a terrible, what a terrible twist and turn of history.

Yes, absolutely awful. Rabbi Hyatt, thank you so much for joining me. I really appreciate it. I completely agree with everything you've said. I think it's reprehensible that Trump had this dinner. I think it's even worse that he hasn't denounced the people that he had it with, particularly given what has now been said by Kanye West, and particularly given his own daughter,

is now Jewish and is married to a Jewish man. To me, it's all completely unacceptable. And I really appreciate you taking my time to come on the show. Thank you. Thank you. Well, coming next, our shameless former health secretary isn't satisfied just going to the jungle. He's now brought a book out,

blaming everybody by himself, and in particular, blaming care workers for spreading COVID in care homes. Well, reaction from my pack. Welcome back. Let's talk now to my stunning pack receiving, with one exception, obviously, I'm with Emily Sheffield, so as editor of the American American McGrath,

political journalist Ava Santina. Welcome to all of you. Well, let's start with The Beast in the middle. Matt Hancock, we've managed to go through the old show without mentioning him yet, but this volume of diaries he's brought out, which looks suspiciously not like actual diaries to me,

the stuff he's written after the event. The thing that's really incensed to me is that, apart from the fact he takes no accountability for anything himself, is the way he blames care workers for spreading COVID in care homes. Not himself for taking old people out of hospital without testimony, put him into care. Care workers risking their lives.

Yeah, that's Mahancock all over. And I think that book says it's his diaries. I think it should go straight in the fiction section of any shop because he's not taking any responsibility. We can see how he's going to play now at the inquiry and why he went on I'm a celeb and sat there with a toad on his head to turn himself into some personality because he can't face the truth of what happened.

where we're afraid, and we know COVID was a huge crisis and would have hit any government, but he made big, fear, or errors, and he won't own up to them. Is it also something slightly distasteful? He keeps talking about his great affair of his heart and everything and parading the new girlfriend around that he was fired over, you know,

because they were caught groping in Breach of Lot of Dermil. And he's got his family, like, watching all this go down. I'm like, it just all seems very distasteful to me. Yeah, it's also quite farcical that this man somehow managed to run the health service, managed to have a family life, have an affair and also write in a diary every evening? Like you're telling me he went home and wrote, dear diary.

I just don't believe it. And the fact that that poor woman is basically being trounced out for the public to assess. I think it's really quite disgusting. Well, there are just ways of doing this. And it seems to me I'm not making a moral judgment about him. He's perfectly entitled to follow his heart wherever he wants to do it. But it is bizarre to see a politician so brazen.

Like, here's the new love of my life. for them. Forget everybody else. And by the way, I'm not to blame for anything that happened in the pandemic. Everybody else says, especially you care workers. There's something so shameless about it all. Yeah, but I think he's gone with the plan, whether we agree with it or not, that the only way to sort of save himself was it did have to be a real affair of the heart. Otherwise, the whole thing just looks horrendous.

Because he's broken the rules to have a bit of a fling with, you know, someone he's working with, while his wife, who allegedly had long COVID. was at home looking after the three children. So I think that's his defence, isn't it, that this was a true love affair. To be fair, they've gone through the most gruesome 18 months and they are still together. So I would say that was a true...

I think there was true love. But you can wish them happiness. I'm no reason. I mean, I bumped into me at the other road when he came back, literally. Bumped into him. It was one of the most awkward 100 metre dash into my life. I thought you were joking. You couldn't write that.

I literally bumped into it. It was just me, him, is a... assistant in my driver for a hundred yards, right? And you imagine, because I've been kicking him all over the place. And I made small talk with him. And I said, look, on one level, I admire your balls in doing it, right? Because to put yourself into that, but then there's something so shameless about him. Oh, he's totally shameless.

That I'm not entirely sure I do admire his balls because it's what he does. He's so shameless on every level. There is a bit of the Harry and Megan about him. Yeah. Creating his own truth. Now, you can give verifiable facts to him that show it's not true. What he says, it's just in. the case and he'll deny it.

He will brazen it out. You've raised the spectra of the other two. What are your thoughts about this Netflix series? Look, I'm not going to agree with what Kevin just said because I think that Matt Hancock, I think this is an allegory for what entirely happened throughout COVID. I think that he lied to his wife

and I think he lied during COVID. I'm really looking forward to the Netflix documentary. I think this is the moment for Megan to really, you know, speak freely about what happened to her. Oh, for God, say. You should be speaking freely like a gobbathon for the last two years. Am I wrong? I have to say it is the royal family,

and if they've got something to say about what happened, then let them say it and let the royals say that's not true. But I think they should have their say, and I think everyone's coming down on them incredibly hard. I'm sorry, someone who's just watched the fifth series of the Crown, are we forgetting the Prince Charles interview? Are we forgetting the Tampax conversations? The royal family, these two haven't stopped,

these two have done... The royal family... They've already done Oprah. They've done James Thorne. They've done the podcast. They've done this. They never stopped talking. Yes, but I'm sorry, Pearce.

Everyone rounds on that. I've fortunately got to leave it there. It's a republic and I love it. I get rant about this all night. Thank you to my pack. Keep it unscensive. Good night.