Piers Morgan Uncensored - Piers Morgan Uncensored: Mickey Rourke Part One

Episode Date: July 11, 2022

This episode of Piers Morgan Uncensored sees Piers and Mickey Rourke in an uncensored interview and much more. Watch Piers Morgan Uncensored at 8pm on TalkTV on Sky 526, Virgin Media 627, Freeview 237 and Freesat 217. Listen on DAB+ and app. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm Pierce Morgan, uncensored coming up tonight. A whole football team's worth of candidates are now battling to be next Tory leader, most of them promising massive tax cuts. But how will they pay for them? And who will be Britain's next Prime Minister? His Wimbledon champion, but no Vax Jokovic but is set to miss a US Open because of his stance on COVID. Should the anti-Bax poster boy be allowed to compete in America?

A grey day for Macy. The award-winning singer sparked a global furorri by daring to describe what a woman is on this show. The mob has now forced to walk back a comment. Why? He's burned every bridge in Tinseltown, but he always bounces back. He's Hollywood's comebacking, and he's back again tonight, live and uncensored. There is the great man, preparing for our jewel.

Good evening, Mickey. Well, good evening. I'm Piers Morgan Unsensitive. Now, people often tell me there's no such thing as cancelled culture. It doesn't exist. It's in my head. But it does exist. It's very real.

It involves delusional mobs who shame, abuse, and vilify anyone who dares share an opinion that doesn't conform to their own narrow worldview. And here's a perfect example of what I'm talking about. Macy Gray. You might recall that last week, the award-winning singer appeared on this show. And I asked her a very simple question. If I asked you what a woman is, what would you say? let's say a human being with boobs.

You have to start there. Yeah, I mean, the dictionary is quite straightforward. It just as a human, adult female, right? I will say this and everybody's going to hate me, but as a woman, just because you go change your plots, doesn't make you a woman. Right. Sorry.

If you want me to call you a her, I will, because that's what you want. But that doesn't make you a woman, just because I call you a her, and just because you got a surgery. Well, that was very clearly, Macy Gray's honestly held opinion. what she actually thinks. But I warned her that she would face a backlash, and so she did. In fact, the retribution was as vile as it was predictable. She was bombarded with torrents and vicious abuse online, and branded an ignorant, bigot, and a transphobe. Rolling Stone magazine, to their shame, called her hateful, before hysterically claiming her rhetoric could have

deadly consequences. Now, remember what Macy Gray's crime was. She just said that a woman is a human being with boobs and a vagina. Yet that apparently will spark deadly consequences. Harry Potter author J.K. Rowling, one of the very few public figures who has a nerve to face down this noxious mob, came to her defence equipment she would buy Macy Gray's bank catalogue. Macy Gray herself initially stood by her right to the opinion she expressed, posting this. All of you threatening and calling me names because I said something you don't agree with,

be whatever you want to be and bleep off. Well, good for her. But unfortunately, her resolve didn't last very long. Sadly, the mob rules and their abuse intensified. And Macy eventually caved. Just one day later, she went on NBC's Today program in America to issue effectively a groveling Mia Culper. You were on the Pierce Morgan show,

and there was a question about trans women. I think that if you, in your heart, feel that that's what you are, then that's what you are. of what anybody says or thinks. But, yeah, I've learned a lot, absolutely. And I'm glad I did. Have you, Macy? What have you really learned other than the mob rules?

That's the way it works these days, isn't it? You pander to the Wote Brigade or you'd be damned forever. And for those people who think this is all trivial cultural stuff, a peculiar obsession of people who spend too much time on Twitter. We'll take a look at this post from J.K. Rowling, yesterday. when she talked about the impact that it's had on her, this cancelled culture. Endless death and rape threats, threats of loss of livelihood, employers targeted, physical harassment, family address posted online with a picture of bomb-making manual, aren't mean comments. If you don't yet understand what happens to women who stand up on this issue, back off.

That's happened to her, it's happened to many other women who've tried to stand up for women's rights. That's why this is so serious. It's why women are scared to stand up for women. It's why Macy Gray has backed down. They're bullied and abused until they cave. And this is what these so-called inclusive, be-kind liberals are like in real life. Here's a clip from a trans pride parade in London on Saturday. Lovely people.

Let's be clear. I've always stood up for trans rights. Loudly and proudly. I believe trans people are entitled to fairness and quality. as much as I am. But still this poison posse delights in falsely calling me a transphobe.

Well, phobia means fear, and I'm definitely not scared of this dumb mob. Anything I'm afraid of is living in a society where awful people like this think they can bully and spew their toxic hate and abuse towards anyone who disagrees with them. What Macy Gray said to me

is what she feels. It's her honestly held opinion. What she said to NBC is what happens when a public figure is cowed into submission. And that is a tragedy in any democracy. It's time we stopped bowing to this mob. It's time we took on the mob and stopped them bullying people like Macy Gray. Well, tonight, 11 Tory MPs are now vying to run the Conservative Party

and the country announcing their bids in a blaze of dodgy slogans, toke-girling videos, and mostly uncosted promises. It's been a battle of rags to riches sob stories so far, more of that in a moment. But first, I have publicly and privately invited all 11 candidates onto this show for an interview. Here was my tweet yesterday. An open invitation thought a robust and fair exchange. The boxing legend Frank Bruno replied to say, is looking forward to seeing them face me, asking,

I wonder how many will turn down the invite. Well, Frank, we now have the answer. All of them. Yep. Despite a few nibbling and saying they may or may not come on, they've all bottled it. What are they scared of? They're demonstrating the same courage and tenacity as the gutless weasel they've just ousted Boris Johnson, who was so terrified of facing me in an interview,

he ran and hid in a fridge to avoid it. Morning, Prime Minister. Would he come on? Good morning, Britain, Prime Minister. Oh! Mr Johnson, why do you have five minutes? You're live on Good Morning. Why didn't... Could you talk to businesses under for me? I'll be with you in a second. I'll be with you in a second.

I have an airpiece here in my hands, ready to go. Unbelievable. He never did come out of the fridge. I never did get to interview him. Well, the invitation stands. Come on, candidates. Don't be as gutless as Boris. We all know how that ended.

How can the public trust you to run the country in these difficult times? If you don't even trust yourselves to survive an interview with me, just grow a pair of a lot of you. Well, talk TV, political editor to Kate McCann. As all the latest on the runners and riders, Mr. Canne, how are you? Evening peers, I'm good, thank you. How are you?

So we've got 11 of them and possibly Pretty Patel to make it a dozen, some of whom may be a dirty dozen, we don't know yet. According to the rumours I'm hearing, all sorts of smears being leveled at quite a few of the candidates. Where are we, do you think, in terms of having any idea yet who the final two may be? Well, we know already having listened to Graham Brady tonight that the rules have been set and they say that you need 20 nominations to meet the first stage and then 30 for the second. So there are some candidates who've either met that or are pretty close to it. Rishi Sunak, he's on 40, Penny Morden, she's on 26 and Tom Tuganhat on 22.

So I would say those three are looking pretty secure tonight. And then there are some at the bottom end, including Sajid Javid, who's on 13 nominations, Grant Shaps on 10, for whom things are looking a little bit more dicey. There are some MPs who haven't come out publicly and announced to their supporting yet. So those numbers could well change. They're changing all the time. But it's an interesting question, peers, about why some of those candidates are not more willing to put themselves in scrutiny's way, if you like, why they're not willing to come out and answer questions.

Suella Breverman, to her credit, did do that today. She took just about as many media interviews as she possibly could, the first remember to announce her candidacy while still remaining in the cabinet as the Attorney General, which some say is an interesting decision. But others have yet to put their head above the parapet, including Penny Mordant, who's seen as a pretty, you know, good runner in this leadership election. She's in second place at the moment in that tally. She's also topping the Conservative Home Poll of people that members would like to see go forward.

There is a suggestion that some of these candidates want to keep away from the media as far as they can to get through the early stages on numbers alone before they have to face that scrutiny because it might well be difficult for some of them who haven't faced it before. I mean, it was quite amusing at the moment of these videos they're all producing, which remind me a bit of the audition trail on Britain's Got Talent, where the bigger the sob story,

the more they think it'll work with the public. Let's take a little mash-up look at some of these videos. Family is everything to me, and my family gave me opportunities they could only dream of. That's where I used to live. This is the shop that my parents used to have. I will work day and night to lead a party

in a government that puts more money in your pocket and secures a better life for you and your family. I've served our country in uniform and in Parliament and I'm ready to serve again. My father arrived in the UK for Pakistan in 1961. He had one pound in his pocket and got a

job driving buses. I will deliver. Someone has to grip this moment and make the right decisions. I'm sorry, but it's funny. I mean, you've got to laugh watching some of these, right? I mean, they're very slick, very polished, pretty cheesy.

And, of course, they're all designed to tug at the heartstrings, aren't they? Yeah, I would say some of them are slicker than others, though. And in fact, there was a suggestion today that Liz Truss's video was under a bit of scrutiny from the foreign office because some of the footage allegedly had been shot by the civil service and so there was a question over whether it might have to be removed from her video. I think she was fine at the end of the day. But it's interesting because these videos are not pitched at the country. This is not an election which we'll all get to vote in.

they're pitched at Tory voters. So they really do have a recurring theme. There's a lot of union flags in there. There's a lot of very traditional music. Some of those values that we've seen again and again. And if you listen out for slogans, you'll hear them repeated. Military background, military heritage. Jeremy Hunt, who has no military background of his own,

was picking up his own father's military background over the weekend. I think they've all identified some of the points that the membership are going to want to see and they're trying to tick those off in these early stages. And most unbelievably of all, of all the developments in the last week is our old friend Mr. Dutteridge, whatever his name was,

the guy that refused to talk to me because his wife would divorce him. He's now been made a minister, right? He has been made a minister, you're right? I mean, look, Boris Johnson was going to have to try and find people to take up those positions. And there had been a question mark over who would want to do that

because they may well be booted out when a new leader comes in. So clearly James Duddridge has decided that his time is now. Well, maybe it's not too late for Dutteridge to run for. for the top job. Let's just take a look at him in action with you and I the other night.

A gay he's following through on that. Does he think he's now Britain's comical alley? Sorry, I've got peers in the end. The only person that's comical here is him. He should get back to the line. If you can hear me, if you can hear me, you're being... I love

Kate. I will answer to Kate, but I'm not going to answer to you. I think it's very, very bad TV. I don't need to be there he is. Minister of State. It'll go a long way. Kate, good to talk to you. We'll be, I'm sure, back tomorrow night with the ladies on all this. It's going to be very interesting what happens on the next 10 days.

Well, Novak Djokovic really is quite extraordinary. Extraordinarily weird and, in my opinion, dumb. There's moments after securing his seventh Wimbledon crown, Novaks reiterated, he has no plans to change his anti-COVID vaccine stance ahead of next month's U.S. Open. That means he won't be to enter the country, which requires all international visitors to show, proof of their COVID vaccine status.

You're likely now missed the chance to claim a record equaling 22nd Grand Slam title. I'm not vaccinated and I'm not planning to get vaccinated. So the only good news I can have is them removing the mandated green vaccine card or whatever you call it to enter United States or exemption. Well, join me now as a former tennis star, a woman-woman commentator, Andrew Castle.

I'd just be exhausted. Do you know, I played today. Did you really? Just to remind myself how difficult the game was. I probably should have done it before commentating on the series and the finals and everything. It's a really hard game. It is a really hard game. My hamstring is now screaming at me.

I was playing up my local club with a bloke that I would normally beat fairly handily, but it was tough today. It was a hell of a final. I watched it all. I mean, it was interesting because Kirios, let's start with him. He's such an extraordinarily divisive character. What do you make of him? Well, I tried, I spent a lot of time before the final,

whacking him, to be honest, because I found his behaviour so ridiculous. Yeah. And actually just pathetic. And then when we got to the final, I actually felt myself beginning to sort of root for this. He's obviously a brilliant player. He's obviously charismatic.

He's got something about him. He's compelling to watch. But then as the final went on, his behaviour got more... Let's just take a look at some of the highlights of his antics. In a Wimbledon final, there's no other bigger occasion. You didn't believe me.

And then did it again. They nearly cost me the game. She's drunk out. out of the mind of the first row, speaking to me in the middle of the game. It's exactly which one of these? It's the one in the dress with the... The ones? It looks like she's out about 700 drinks for them.

Not big enough. Is it big enough for you? Every time. 4015, 40-love. Why do you stop? Why? 40-15, 40-love. Oh.

That's who. That's all of you. Now, just to be clear, he is shouting all. all that and his girlfriend, his sister, his dad and his manager. Well, he was shouting that to Renno Lichtenstein, who's actually from France, not Lichtenstein, who was the umpire in the chair. There was a woman across. But most of that stuff was aimed at his family.

A lot of that stuff was. He's urging the family to encourage him more. Yeah. But you see, he's a man under strain. He's 27 years of age. He's a petulip branch, Andrew. He's 27 years ago. He's vulnerable, okay, and yet he is.

sensitive. He's talked about self-harming. He's talked about depression and all of that sort of stuff. He's everything that this generation now, not whole dear, but now are focusing in on. But he doesn't excuse that kind of petulant brat rudeness. But you see somebody

under pressure and that's what they do in a situation like that. Well, then don't play tennis professional. Well, I mean, but this is what people have been saying to him for years. If you want to maximise your potential, you're going to have to stop that. Can he actually stop it? I was very surprised to see him in the the Wimwood and Final. I don't think he would have been there if he'd have played and Adan in the semi-final who had to pull out with the abdominal strain.

But, I mean, I think it's a story that everyone can relate to. A very complicated bloke who manages to go all the way to the final and then actually do himself credit for quite some time. If I shouted at my family members like that in a Wilmington final, one of them would come out of there and give me a slap. Quite rightly. Why should they put up with it? But what's he doing when he does that? I mean, come on, you're in attention.

We're all attention seekers when we're on the telly, aren't we? I would never abuse my own family on national television in front of a billion eyeballs. Well, I mean, a lot of the players have done in the park. You never do that. No, I'm not, get told off afterwards. No, if you try and tell him off, he'll take another three, four, five months off. Is he good for the game, is the question?

What, he's compelling to watch. The answer is a day later, you and I are talking about him. You've got an opinion. I've got an opinion. And he's really good at the game, too, because you don't make women of final. He is good, but I think he got out-sighted by Djokovic. He would just got cooler and gula. Who's magnificent.

Well, Djokovic, look. As a tennis player, don't start the, the, The Novak start right now. No, it comes at the moment. Talk about the tennis first. Let me say for the record, Jockovich is an unbelievably brilliant tennis player.

One of the greatest to ever play the game. I'm watching him win here. He was metronome. I was there on Friday when he destroyed him. Destroyed the British guy who put up a good fight, but he did the same thing. He lost the first set and then destroyed him.

And he's a machine and he's fantastic. Personally, I'm a Federer Nadal guy, but I can appreciate Jokovic's amazing talent. And the amount of title speaks for itself. Here's what I have a problem. I don't understand what he's doing with this COVID vaccine stuff, which could end up costing him the legacy

of greatest player of all time. But you don't understand anybody that makes a choice not to have the vaccine? No, no, I do. Do you? No, no, I understand it. They're perfectly entitled to do it. I just don't understand a guy who's in his position could be the greatest tennis player that's ever lived, statistically.

Yeah. And yet he is going to miss probably the US Open if the record doesn't change the rules. And I see people, here's my problem with it. I see that he's a massive role model to a lot of people. Most of the genuine anti-vax lunes on social media have

latched on to Djokovic as their hero, their poster boy. He's the reason they're not taking the vaccine. And I do have a problem. You still follow that stuff? Well, I do follow it a bit. Because for me, it's over. I mean, I... Well, apparently not. But for me personally, I've just

had to just go, that is it. I've had my injections. I'll have more. I know some people object and that's, you know, the way they feel about it. What does it tell you about Novak and other people in that situation regarding their thoughts about the vaccine that he has just said, even if I can have history, which I've been looking for since the age of eight years old when I first picked up a racket, and I'm still not going to take it. He says he's dumbers and ox to me. Well, you think it's dumb. I think it's a committed point of view that we have no choice. Do you think America should change the rules and let him in? No, because, I mean, listen, I know

you're very good at lobbying to change rules and all the rest of it, but they've got rules. He's decided not to be vaccinated unless something changes. He won't be there. It's just an impasse. I don't think he'll play. I think that's a great shame. You don't think it's just weird. There was another thing I wanted to talk to you about.

When you were at GMB a while back and I was in talking about something or other, you said to me, where would Serena, because there was this argument at the time about Serena and where she would be in the men's rankings. And you came up to me and you said at the time she'd be in the top 250. No, she'd be in the top

thousand, if she's lucky. You said at the time top 250. Well, no, if I did, I've since always said, I don't, I think I saw McEnroe say she wouldn't get in the top 750. Is that right? Yeah, probably about right. It was just something, it's just things that you say stick in my head and it's been annoying me. Well, I've ever

said, I don't remember saying 250, I've always, in my head, always thought I said 750. Maybe you were riling me up at the time. I might have been, it's obviously stuck with it. Andrew, he did a great job commentary, I enjoyed it very much. And these look, these guys get everybody talking. I get it. I think it's a great shame at Djokovic's has whether he wanted to or not

become this poster child for the anti-vax brigade. I just don't know why he would feel comfortable being that guy, but he does and that's it. Good to all you. Nice to see you, Pierce. Don't care. I think right now Serena wouldn't beat the top 2000, by the way. When was the last time you played? Last time I played tennis would have been about two years ago.

I thrashed my middle boy. Stanley? Yeah, Stanley. He's about 23. Took him apart on a grass court. So thank you for asking. Good to see you, Andrew Castle. Unscensored next from Hollywood Hot Shot until Hollywood has been and back again.

Actor Mickey Rourke will be here live and uncensored from Hollywood. Before that, I'll be joined by my Pears Pack, Averson, Tina, and Quentin Lex. They're frothing at the mouth over there, the pack. Look at them. Like a pack of Dobermans. Mickey Rourke is waiting, live and uncensored in Hollywood.

But joining me now is my Pears Pack. And tonight I have the original journalist Averson Tee. The Times is political sketchwriter. Quentin, welcome to both of you. Start with Macy Gray. I'm right, assuming, Quentin, you've never heard of her. Never heard of her. Great. You know about the story. But having seen what's happened to her...

You should be her publicity agent. What do you think, though, of the way that this mob now moves around, that where even women who try and define what a woman is, in my estimation, the way it probably ought to be defined, they get hounded so badly. One of your earlier clips, you showed press comments. And Rolling Stone magazine was having a go at it, wasn't it? Rolling, that's the hippie magazine it used to be.

What happened to live and let live? And what happens, the wokeies now, they hold these people's, they threaten their careers, basically. If you're a star, and they hold them below the water until they submit. Like the old sort of boxing moves, you hit the floor, I submit. And until they give up, they hold them down. But as soon as you apologize, it's disaster. Yeah.

Well, I think this is why I didn't apologize when I left Good Morning Britain over disbelieving Mega Markle, because why. What's the point apologising, Ava? Even when you apologise, it makes no difference. If the mob's decided you're saying the wrong thing, you have to be cancelled. It's not a mob. Actually, the mob was the other side, J.K. Rowling, jumping straight on Twitter to say that she'd sided with Macy Gray, when that was actually not what she meant at all.

J.K. Rowling is part of that mob. Really? Yeah, 100%. You know what's happened to J.K. Rowling it as well. She's fueling it. She's really got a problem with trans-wobics. I don't need to say that. I don't need to teach you how to suck eggs.

but she is leading the charge on that. What does she say that you disagree with as a woman? Well, as a woman myself. If I ask you what is a woman, what is the answer? Well, I think that's too nuanced to us. It's not, though, is it? I think that Macy Gray was responding to this sort of hyperbole that we've got ourselves into with self-identification,

a concept that doesn't actually exist. I mean, I'm not going to turn around to a woman who doesn't have a uterus and say you're not a woman. When you say it doesn't exist, I mean, we literally now have in women's sport, male athletes who transition and are now demolishing women. There are now numerous examples.

Well, I mean, I don't. But even if there's one example, you say self-ide doesn't happen. Of course it happens. They're literally going, I'm now a woman, and they're now competing against women. It doesn't know, because every single example that you use to, you know, make self-identification sound problematic, actually doesn't even make sense.

Like, we talk about prisons and what if someone's self- IDs and gets into a female prison, you know, ward? What if they do? But, well, what about all of the, you know, sexual assault that goes on there? anyway, you're going to stop people being in cells altogether. It's already an issue. What you may be saying is this right, Davey, it's a minority pursuit.

This is a minority problem. It is a minority position. And that's what puzzles me that people get so cross about this. And yet it is a very, very, an obsessive minority that's getting upset. But all of the issues that we have with bathrooms, prisons, they all come down to this issue of assault. Look, if a man is going to assault you, they're going to do it, no matter if there's a, you know, a female emblem on the door of the house.

It's about whether a woman is allowed to stand up and say what she thinks a woman is without being destroyed. It's odd that the way that the women who comment about this get beaten up really badly by Twitter. It's horrific. Whereas we blocs sort of go on about it. Perhaps no one's listening to it. Here's a woman where I think deserves some appropriate.

And this is Andrea Jenkins, who unbelievably, is an education minister now for this country. And this is her outside Downing Street. When there were a group of people on Labour, I think you were there at the time when this happened. And this is how she responded to people giving her a bit of a hard time. She literally flipped the bird out. This is an education minister.

I'm sorry. I thought that was ridiculous behavior. Unbelievable. She was charging up Whitehall as well. She already had a vendetta. She's one of those characters that normally you kind of keep at bay. She's quite an angry backbencher. You don't normally let her go on the television.

And this is a pure example, perfect example of why you don't. But she's now in government. Yeah, but I mean, look who's in government. It's basically the... I know, but she's still in government. Quentin, we defend that kind of behaviour? You seem a civilised man to me. You're getting very sensitive in your old age.

I didn't realize you were so censorious and keen to be upset. I'm not. Why don't the education ministers should be flipping the bird at people in public outside Downing Street? Do you? I'm quite rude sometimes, people say, but I don't do that particular gesture. But there was quite a heated day. People were very upset, and also there was some... there were some egypts at the gates of Downing Street. Hardly either. Truly hardly. I promise you.

I was there as well. I think we need a return to civility in public life, and this is not the way we're going on. Go back to the 1950s, Piers. That's what you want. Let's talk about, for a moment. Let's talk about President Joe Biden. Because I've just written a column, actually, with the New York Post about Biden. Because the New York Times did this withering excoriation of him, basically accusing him of being asleep at the wheel at 79 his years and now. This was, unfortunately, for him.

on the day it came out, he did this in a speech talking about Roe versus Wade. It is noteworthy that the percentage of women who registered to vote and cast a ballot is consistently higher than the percentage of the men who do so. End of quote. Repeat the line. End of quote, repeat the line. Quentin, that was what the scriptrider had put at the end to make sure that he stopped the quote and then repeated the line. And he read it out like Ron Burgundy and Anchorman.

Yeah. PIN sharp, he ain't. Is it a problem, though? Is it a serious problem now? His mental deficiencies, which clearly we can see them. I don't know enough about it, but I do, and I can see where you're coming from, Pierce. But he has been elected, and that is the difficult thing for those who wish to, you know, to replace him with Kamala Harris. Well, there is one mechanism. There is a mechanism. And, Eva, the mechanism is not like here. He couldn't have a bunch of his, of his, of his, his team queuing up to, you know, say no confidence and he goes. The mechanism is the 25th Amendment, which can be deployed to remove a serving president

if it's deemed that he's no longer has the faculties to perform the office and the function of president. I think we're heading that way with Biden. But no one thought to deploy that when the last bloke was talking about... Well, actually, I think that's a very good point. And in fact, Mike Pence, I think did consider it. And people have said they should have done. But it has been deployed before, of course, when presidents have been shot, like Reagan was shot, it was deployed then temporarily and so on. Is there an argument? I mean, as someone on the left, Joe Biden's performance as president in 18 months has been a disaster. I mean, today, two-thirds of Democrats in a new poll in New York Times said they don't want him to run again in 2024.

Two-thirds of Democrats. Well, I mean, just to be clear, Joe Biden's never been on the left. He's probably center-right. He's probably closer to the Tories are in our country than he is to labor. Who would you like to see? I would love that, Piers. Of course you would. I'd love that. And hell would freeze over. It is a problem also when you consider what's going on in Russia and Ukraine,

and Putin will be loving this, I'm afraid. Final question on Jokovic. Where do we stand about this idea of whether he should be allowed to play? Should America bend the rules for Jokovic, let him in? Well, it's up to the Americans, of course. If we want to go in, we have to show COVID vaccination. It's up to the Americans whether or not they let him in. But I'm more live and let live about this than you.

I think you've become a bit of an eye at. to teller about this, peers. And I agree slightly with what Andrew Castle was saying earlier about, you know, the COVID, the sense of crisis around COVID. The pandemic is still there. The sense of crisis and sort of urgency in the messaging is, I think, slipped a bit. So it wouldn't worry me. And he did just beat that tattooed oik from Australia.

Curios. Yeah. Eva, would you ever imagine a million years being able to date someone like Nick Curios? Would I date them? You didn't ask me that question. Yeah, quite. It's a very unfair. What comes to you in a moment?

Would I date, curious? I find a lot of women are curiously attracted to. But what do you mean? Why are you asking me if I would date him? Just curious, whether you think he's someone you could ever date? Generally, when women want to date him? I genuinely haven't even thought about him in that realm. I'm more of a Parliament girl.

Really? Yeah. More of what girl? Parliament girl. Ask me that question. All right, well, then purely professionally, with all the candidates, which one do you think actually would be the least offensive to you to become Prime Minister? To become Prime Minister, Grant Shaps, I think, actually.

Yeah, I think he's an interesting show. He sounds really reasoned, actually. I thought it was really interesting today. He was speaking earlier, and he was talking about the culture war, which a lot of the others are getting behind. Kemi Badenock, she's desperately trying to use that to get in. And he was very measured on it, actually. Very measured on the cultural wall.

Pierce, I've got to leave it there. Got Mickey Rourke. You don't mind being the warm-up man to Mickey Rort, do you? No, no, I do anything you tell me to. Thank you very much to both of you. I appreciate it. Well, uncensored next, Hollywood's comeback. King of the uncancellable Mickey Rourke, live and uncensored.

Look at it, magnificent. After you, Mike. Where does that mean, uncensored? Welcome back to Beersborg and Unsensitive, from Hollywood Hot Shot to Hollywood Has Been, and back again, acting legend Mickey Rourke defies cancellation in a stunning and sometimes scandalous career

spanning 40 years, including a lost decade in the Hollywood wilderness. He's fought and feuded with the titans of Tinseltown has an opinion on almost everything, and I'm delighted to say he joins me now live from Los Angeles. Mickey, great to see you. Great to see you. I heard you mustering before we went to the commercial break.

What has uncensored me? And I would say you. You are an uncensored man. Well, I'm my own man. How have you been? I've interviewed you numerous times over the years. You look in great shape. Yeah, the COVID thing actually helped me out a little bit

because I was able to go around all the different sports shops and get all the workout equipment I needed for close to a year and a half. So I did nothing but like trained for, you know, 45 minutes twice a day and did a lot of reading and soul searching. And kind of tried to figure, well, I was working out a game plan for the third chapter. and trying to go over all the mistakes I made the first two chapters and not making them again because it just made life difficult for me. I've said this before, you know. About over 20 years ago, I was sitting in my...

I was in London, actually, at Blake's Hotel, sitting on the phone with Richard. Richard Harris and Richard gave me some really good advice about, he said, Mickey, man. He said, listen, you can't beat him. There's too many of them. And they got too much money and they've got, he says, you just got to pull back. And I got off the phone with Richard and I thought, nah, I'm going to do it my way. And, you know, and I made a big mistake because I really, Richard had been there.

before me and I really was an asshole not to take Richard sound good advice they gave. What have you learned about yourself, Mickey, in this, in this, it sounds a fascinating journey you've been on here. What have you learned most about yourself? Well, you know, the biggest thing was I came from a very shameful upbringing and it was very violent and very physical abuse and mental. And I, you know, I. When I left home at like 14 or 15, I didn't realize I was so happy that the physical pain was over, because that was horrifying that went on for nearly 10 years. But I didn't realize that it was going to fuck me up in my head, my way of thinking,

my way of dealing with people, because I, you know, you have a choice. When you're abused physically at the time I wasn't thinking about it mentally, there comes a time, and it happened when I was about 14. And when you're living in shame, there's nothing worse than that. So you've got two choices. You either live in shame and you become like a broken. soul, a broken person, or you get hard. And I chose to get hard, not by choice, just by survival.

And as the years passed and I messed everything up that I tried to accomplish, you know, I take the blame for it because by me getting hard with everything and every everything and everybody alienated me from, I became, as my therapist told me, a scary person to deal with. And I didn't know how to turn the off switch off. And have you learned, Mickey, have you learned how to turn that off now? I've learned, well, it's interesting. I went to therapy for 23 years and I didn't ever think I would. But the therapist said to me, one day, he said after about three or four years, out of the 23 I went, he said, you have absolutely no regard for repercussions or accountability. He says, that's just not in your DNA. And I realized

with dealing with people who deal from an authoritarian place, producers, who think that they can treat you a certain way because they're the ones with the money and the power, they finally ran into a cat. They didn't give a fuck about their money and power. I've got to watch your language, Mickey. I'm sorry. I'm afraid I have to apologize when you do that, but I understand why you feel this way.

Yeah, I apologize to it. I'm just saying, you know, people who have money and power, they really feel that they have this thing where they can treat you a certain way. But I made a decision a long time ago. I was 14 that I got to be a man and I had to be a man at 14. And later on as the years went by, even with the success and the destruction of my career, it was always important for me because of where I came from to be a man first and then an actor second.

I, you know, I interviewed just before the wrestler came out, and it was an incredibly powerful interview because you've been in the wilderness for so long then, and then suddenly the wrestler came along and propelled you back to the top again. What was that moment like for you? Yeah, but I'm back in the wilderness after the wrestler. But you're not really, though, are you?

I don't think you are. Not really, because what I learned to do was I wasn't going to do. going to let anyone put me on the shelf. Yeah. All right? Because I've got enough ability and I've got more ability than most actors that are walking around.

And if I could just behave myself, there's a lot of young up-and-coming directors that aren't afraid of how I used to be perceived. When you see, Mickey, when you see someone like Tom Cruise, you know, grossing a billion dollars with top gun, maverate the sequel 35 years or so after the first one what do you what do you think of that that doesn't mean shit to me the guy's been doing the same effing part for 35 years you know

there's you know i mean i got no respect for that really i don't get i don't give it no that's yeah really brother i don't care about money and power i care about when i watch alpachino work and Chris Walken and De Niro's early work and Richard Harris's work and Ray Winstone's work. Those are the kind of, that's the kind of actor I want to be. Like Monty Cliff and, you know, Brando back in the day and a lot of guys that just tried to stretch his actors and be the... You don't think Tom Cruise is a good actor?

I think he's irrelevant in my world. Fascinating. Mickey, hold it there. We're going to take a short break, and we'll be back after the break. I'll talk to you about cancel culture and about Vladimir Putin. And Johnny Depp. Welcome back, come with Mickey Rourke. Mickey, I want to ask you about cancel culture.

What do you make of this weird phenomenon that we now will have to operate under? About what? Cancel culture. I don't have any opinion on all that. Well, what do you think when you see people being cancelled for having an opinion? That happens all the times, nothing new. But do you think he's right? I would have to be given a specific case.

Well, I'll give you one. So Macy Gray, the singer, came on my show last week and said what her definition of a woman was. And she got so much abuse for her honest opinion that she had to go on a Today Show in America and effectively back down on her opinion. which I thought was ridiculous. There's an example of the kind of mob mentality. I don't think anybody should have to apologize for what their personal opinion is on any matter,

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Sign up for free at rBC training ground.ca. You said some interesting stuff about Vladimir Putin after you met him in 2014. You wore a t-shirt with his picture on it. Yeah, okay, that was 2014. No, that's what I said, yeah. So I wanted to ask you whether you were... No, I just want to make that clear. Okay.

I went over there at 2014 and there was some sort of event where some entertainers from the states. came over and he was dancing with Sharon Stone and he was he actually was singing a song on a piano and then he invited me specifically to go to his hometown in St. Petersburg to visit a home home that took care of little tiny children that had kind of incurable cancer. And that was really heartbreaking to go to. And I was talking to all these little kids. And I remember I gave a rosary of mine to one of the little girls.

And I looked over at Vladimir and I could see somebody that was genuinely concerned about where we were. And someone who was empathetic and he was there for a sincere reason. How do you square that, Mickey, with the guy we see now illegally invading Ukraine and bombing little children to pieces every single day?

That's the thing that blows my mind because it's like two brother countries and it's like, I don't understand what he wants. And it's like not only combatants are getting killed, but old people. are getting killed, young people are getting killed, schools are getting targeted, hospitals are getting targeted, you know, and all that's not right. You know, I saw a guy, an image of a man who was looking in a hole in a ditch and he was looking for, and I put myself in his position, he was looking for his brother. And that kind of struck home with me and bothered me a lot.

and maybe think he's doing really terrible bad things. And I wish some kind of little bell would ring in his head or his heart. And he'd wake up and just stop all this. And then I saw a picture of a man, an old man, laying shot on a bicycle. And an old woman shot on a bicycle. But the image that bothered me the most was, I saw this old man

holding a little gray kitten and the old man survived his house being bombed and he lost five family members and the only thing he had kind of hard for me to talk about the only thing he had was this little great kitty

and I looked at that image And I said, how can I have anything to worry about losing a movie, somebody saying bad about me, or I'm having a bad day? And I'm looking at this old guy holding a little kitty that crawled out from the rubble. And that's all he had. And he lost five family members. And ever since that day, horrendous. Ever since that day, I've said prayers for that man.

And for the two old people I saw on the street. Mickey, I'm going to have to end the interview. But what I want to do if it's okay with you, I want to carry it on. All I want to say, all I want to say is, I'm going to buy. We'll carry on, Mickey, after we come off air, and I'll record it for later in the week. Okay? All right. Okay.

Thanks for watching on Sunday. We'll finish this interview with Mickey.