Piers Morgan Uncensored: Sadiq Khan and Vivek Ramaswamy
00:00Tonight, on Peersburg on censor back with a bang and two big exclusives.Zadique Karmes says his climate change cameras will clear the air.But could they cost his party to the general election?The mayor of London makes his long-awaited uncensored debut.Plus, he's the breakout star of the US presidential race.Vivek Bramaswami is surging in popularity.But how do you beat Trump by being Trump's biggest cheerleader?He'll join me, hopefully, to explain.
00:31Live from the news building in London,This is Piers Morgan Unsensit.Well, good evening from London, and welcome to Piers Morgan Unsensit.It's good to be back, but nothing saps the national libido,more than the noxious sense that nothing is working.Most of us imagine that countries fall apart in violent shocks,like a stock market collapse or a military coup.The reality is that it's much slower and even more depressing.
00:57It's a creeping, insidious odor of decline,which lurks at the back of the nostrils and eventually overwhelms the senses.And in Britain right now, the putrid stench of failure is everywhere.Children return to school today, but thousands won't bebecause dangerous cheap concrete ignored for yearshas left school buildings in danger of collapse.Instead of fronting up on interviews on how she'd handle this massive crisis,the Education Secretary did this.
01:24Rack stands for reinforced, autoclade, errated concrete,and it's a lightweight form of concrete that was used in building constructionfrom the 1950s until the last few years,the mid-1990s.Problems with the strength and durability of the materialmean that some buildings may pose a threat to safetyand nothing is more important than the healthand safety of children and staff.
01:47The industry's understanding of the risks of RAChas evolved over time.Have you ever watched anything more patronising than that?What are we, five-year-olds?What was you thinking?The education system is quite literally collapsing.And the education secretary uploads of videolooks like a health and safety training manual from 1995.
02:07Well, this morning, we finally decided to you ought to answer some questions.Kagan somehow managed to make it worse.It is not the job of the Department of Education,but we chose to do that because we wanted to make surethat we had that information centrally.On top of that, we wanted to...But you're saying that the government is not responsible,ultimately, for the safety of children in schools?
02:28The school building's responsibility is with local authorities,and multi-academy trusts.Do you believe the government did everything...But we have, but we've taken further now.Let me get me straight.Sorry.So the education secretary of this countryin our government is not responsible
02:45for schools literally falling to pieces.Well, whose job is it then?Whose responsibility is that?With her reputation appropriately disintegratingfaster than some of these schools,she was then caught on a hot mic saying this.Thank you.Does anyone ever say, you know what, you've done a f*** a good job
03:10because everyone else has sat on their ass and done nothing?No signs of that, no?Well, no, with respect, Mrs Keegan.We'll say you've done an effing good jobwhen you've got off your backside and actually sorted this mess out.Crumbling buildings are the perfect metaphorfor how most people feel about the country right now.Sadly, for the government, it's not the school.
03:32One hospital made from the same shoddy concrete says it can only treat fat patients on the ground floorin case they fall through the floors above.Sounds like a comedy sketch, but it's real.This is happening in Britain in 2023.It feels like a country with neglected failing infrastructurewhere national paralysis lurks around every corner.Those look at a quarter of a million people face travel chaoswhen the air traffic control system was brought to its knees by one single misfiled flight plan.
04:01More than seven and a half million people are stuck on the NHS waiting lists,seeing a GP as I ask you for an audience with a Pope.It rained most of the summer,but there's hose pipe bands in several placesbecause our rotten water companiesalmost literally failed to fix the roofwhen the sun was shining.Our biggest supermarket chain says it's strapping body cameras
04:21on his workers because they're so worriedabout the rise in violent attacks on staff.Mortgages are rocketing, everyone's on strike,inflation is draining our walletsas toxic sewage drips into our seas.And you're more likely to strike oiland find a dentist.Against this backdrop,
04:38there's been a worrying rise in vigilantes.They've stepped in, where police won't,to shift eco-protesters off our roads,and they've taken to now ransack himand new Ulaz clean air cameras in London,which now bill motorist 12 pounds 50 a dayfor driving a misdien of all the cars.Now, in my view, this kind of behaviour
05:02is as wrong as the eco warriorswho go around spraying paint and everything.It's not a symptom, though, of a sick countrywhere people think that nothing works,including the police, and they're tired of it.So they're getting on with action themselves.Prime Minister Rishi Sunnah took on a hospital passof the job. No question.
05:21He has steadied the ship to a certain degree,but it will take a lot more energyand more bold risk-takingif we're going to dodge the iceberg.The government thinks Sadiq Khan's air pollution camerasare so vastly unpopular, they could help swing next year's election back in his favour.But the only air quality they should be worrying about, honestly, is the stench of national decline.Well, shortly before I came on air tonight, I spoke to the man of the moment, the Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan.
05:48Well, I'm delighted to say I'm joined now by the Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan.Mr. Mayor, good to see you.It's been too long periods.I'm just only sorry we're not doing this in person, but it's lovely to be with you again,although the first time on your new show.Well, it's not new anymore, is it?Well, it's not new, and you have resisted my advancesfor quite some time, so what's made you finally succumb?
06:10Well, I think, to be fair, we were trying to hook something up a few weeks ago,but you were very busy doing stuff overseas,and I'm just really sorry it's taken so long.Hopefully next time I'll be in person.Well, I would like that.We've always, I think, had a robust exchange of views over the years.Let's start with the obvious subject,which is your campaign about air quality in London.
06:30I want to preface this part of the interviewby saying that I have gone through a quite interesting journey,I think, about pollution in London.So I thought I had a big issue with hay fever for quite a few years.And eventually had a lot of tests done,revealed no allergies at all,and then had a local chemist who said to me,I think it may be pollution.
06:54Is it worse when you come back from overseas?I went actually, yes, it is.And it was knocking me out for like half a day every week.And he recommended getting some air purifiersand getting an air quality appand not going out too much when it was very high.I did both those things.I've got four purifiers in my house now, 80 pounds each,
07:13and it's completely transformed my health.I'm a different human being in the last eight monthsto what I'd been like in the previous few years.I then did some digging into the borough I live in, Kensington and Chelsea,and discovered to my horror that it's one of the worst places in the country for air pollution,and that there's a lot of people who die from pollution-related deaths in Kensington and Chelsea.So I'm a convert to your cause.I believe it is a real issue.
07:46I've been through an experience myself that's made me see the benefit of having better quality air,albeit through purifiers.But here's the problem I think you've encountered.It's a similar problem to the Just Stop Oil protests,where I agree with their calls,but I don't agree with the methodology.And it seems to me that your Ule's scheme,albeit well-intentioned, and I think we all want to get to where you want to get to an air quality,
08:15but it's turned out to be incredibly divisive.You know this, very polarising.The polls actually show it's pretty split down the way.the middle about what people's views are. Perhaps if you live in the outer part of London,more extremely against it than those who live in the inner part of the city. But it is verydivisive and it is very controversial. Do you have any regrets about the methodology?Well, Piers, can I first thank you for the thoughtful way you've asked the question?Because I, like you were on a journey, in 2014, 2015, I had no idea about what you've discovered
08:50either. I was feeling out of breath. When I was playing football, I was getting tired ofvery quickly. I had some really bad days where I was wheezing and coughing. And I'm like youreasonably well informed. I think I know a bit about, you know, things like air pollution,air quality, climate change, but I've no idea that this invisible thing we can't see,particularly matter and nitrogen dioxide is making us sick. And so the evidence in relation to theconsequences of air pollution, you and I are living out, but also in our city, around4,000 people die prematurely because of air pollution, across.across our country, according to government figures, not mine, government figures, between
09:2828,000 and 36,000, and at least to children have instanted lungs forever, and adults like youand I, with a whole host of health issues from asthma to cancer, dementia, to heart disease.But also, to answer your question directly, I've seen the evidence of the ULES in centralLondon where it exists and in London where it exists, and I'll tell you what I mean by that.So we introduced the ULLES in Central London, and so within a ULES in Central London, and so within ayear at almost 50% reduction in toxicity but also a third fewer children with airpollution related illnesses being rushed to hospital a third reduction weexpanded it to inner London and we saw a further 20% reduction in air pollution and
10:12children going to 1,400 schools were breathing cleaner air but let me see youthe problem it's in outer London that's the worst air the 10 boroughs with thelargest amount of premature deaths are in outer London. What we've also seen is that 24 of the 30GPs with the worst number of patients is in outer London. So that's the aim. But what I've triedto also payers is to listen to the genuine concerns. And I recognize, by the way, Piers, in relationto regret, over a number of years in outer London, we haven't got the good quality publictransport. We've got in central London and any London. So more people are relying on cars inouter London. The good news, nine out of ten cars now driving in outer London are already compliant,
10:55won't pay a penny more, but we'll see the benefits of clean air. And my final point,I don't want to get into arguing about the merits of what you're trying to do, because Iactually broadly agree with it. On the methodology, it seems to me, here's your problem,in a nutshell. I have an Aston Martin, right, a very luxurious car. I'm very lucky to have it,lucky to earn enough money to be able to keep it up.And you don't charge me a penny to drive that around London as much as I like,because I'm Ulez compatible.But if I lived in North London, in Wembley or somewhere,
11:30and I was a hardworking guy, woman,and you're driving a van maybe for work,and you have to come into town every day,and you're already facing massive cost of living extra costs for your family,you're struggling to feed your family,you're really feeling the pinch.And now suddenly you, who really can't afford just to get through the day as it is,are suddenly having to pay another £12.50 every day to you.
11:57Why am I being spared just because I can afford to have a more expensive Ulaz compatible car?And why are a large number of people who are having to pay actually at the poorer end of the spectrum of London society?That is where your optics, I think, are failing.So because your car is US compliant, it means it's Euro 4 or better.What that means, Piz, is when you drive your car,your wife may be next to your daughter in the back,they're not breathing in poison.The same way somebody driving a non-compliant car is,
12:31that's the first point.The second point is what we're doing is to support the hardworking van driveryou talked about, to support the low-income family you're talking about,to support the charity with the minibus you may be talking about,we're giving financial support to the tune of 160 million pounds,So a small van owner, a small business with a van like yours,will now receive support of £7,000 to get a ULIS compliant van.You may be right in your cause.
12:57I believe you're right about trying to get better air quality,but you know that the Labour Party are very concerned about it.I want to play you a little mash-up of what Labour figures have been saying about it.I don't think there's any doubt that U-Lez was the reason that we lost the by-election in Uxbridge.And I have said we should reflect on this.including the mayor. I've spoken to him, as you would expect. And so there will be that reflection.The cost is a problem. And if you look at who pays you, Les, it tends to be poorer families and smaller businesses.I'm afraid that the hard truth is a 12 pounds an hour, sorry, 12 pounds a day fee costs labour that by-election.
13:39There is a massive cost of living crisis at the moment and asking people to shell out thousands to buy a new vehicle or pay 12,000,every day to go on the road is just an expense to many.Now, these aren't Tories saying this.This is your own side.They think that this is an election liability.How would you feel if you go down this path,you dig your heels in as you're doing, you keep going,but it ends up potentially becoming an election-deciding issue
14:07in the next year or so,whenever that general election may come,that the Tories use this as a weapon to actually defeat you?You very generously and rightly said that in central London, people support Ulyos and in inner London, but there's some concern in outer London.I would argue the reason why people in central London support the policies because they've seen it bedded in and they realise it's not as bad as they fared it was going to be.And I'll give you some breaking news.When I announced the central London policy, people were against that as well initially until we had a scrapage scheme and they saw the benefits were far better than the disbenefits.Why have the government has helped out other cities up and down the country?
14:50Why have they not helped you out?Well, I think this goes to the core of the anger you're talking about,which is basically the government thinks, because of Uxbridge and Rice Lip,that actually tackling climate change and tackling air pollution,I vote losers.And so they've weaponised this as an issue.Are you likely, in view of the pretty extreme reaction from half of your people in London,are you likely to evolve this policy and reflect their country?
15:16concerns. Yeah, we will always listen to Londoners. The first week of August, I said every singleperson in London, it doesn't matter how much you earn, you will get support in relation to thescrapers scheme. And the reason why the government's not giving London support, they're givingBirmingham support and Bristol support and Bath support, is they think by attacking Londoners,they may do better at the general election. So Londoners are pawns caught in this crossfire.Nobody wins if people are dying prematurely. Nobody wins if kids have stunted lungs.True, but nobody wins if half of the people in London hate you because they think you're targeting the poorer members of society over people like me.I've got to be frank, Piers.
15:54You asked the question at the top of this interview, which was, you know, why am I on this show?I've got to be honest, one of the reasons I'm on this show is because I recognise, may my voters watch this show.And I'm keen to talk to them through you, Piz.You ask me the tough questions that they ask me and I respond to as well.because I genuinely think that once people see the benefits of this policy, they'll come with me.Well, listen, like I said at the start, I'm with you about the problem of air pollution.I've seen it myself.I've seen it to my own health.
16:22So I'm with you on that.But let's move on to some other stuff in the news today.Gillian Keegan, the Education Secretary,who many people are very angry with because of this crisis over schools being closedbecause of the concrete that had been used to build them.And we're blaming the government for not acting sooner.She responded like this, here, off-mic, in an interview today with ITV.Thank you.
16:52Does anyone ever say, you know what, you've done a f*** good jobbecause everyone else has sat on their ass and done nothing?No signs of that, no?Do you feel this is a good moment, Mr Mayor,to tell the Education Secretary she's done an effing good job?I'd not seen that until just know.Look, I mean, for those that don't know, we had a conversation before we went on air.You can be caught out with a hot mic as they call it, but I think the problem is, I mean,
17:25the arrogance in relation to thinking you should be getting a pat on the back.I spent Friday speaking to really worried parents who didn't know whether their kids are goingto school on Monday, whether they had to organise childcare.My sister's a teacher, as is my sister-in-law, they had no idea whether their schools are affected.I was also at MP in 2010 lobbying Michael Gove and the government saying, for goodness sake,please don't cut the program you're going to cut the building schools, the future program,that Ad Bulls had announced.And, you know, austerity has consequences.
18:00And I think Gillian Keegan needs to understand children are caught in the crossfirebecause of government cuts for the last 13 years.And rather than asking for a pat on the back,She needs to be working night and day to make our schools safe.And it is a problem.The fact that literally, I forget our public services crumbling,literally our schools are crumbling.Yeah, I completely agree.
18:22I thought it was unbelievably arrogant and tone deaf.Let's talk about women because she's a woman.What is a woman, Mr. Mayor?Well, I ask that question, knowing full well that people may be watching thiswho may have gendered dysphoria and may, you know,have concerns in relation to this issue.It's going to be quite direct in relation to this.So a woman when it comes to biology and sex is an adult girl.
18:49But there are some women who may have gender dysphoria.And trans women can also be women as well.Ron says the next, Adelaide Kahn's bitter feud with Donald Trump has raged for years.And what happens next will do nothing to improve the chances of any peace deal.Welcome back to Piersbroke and Uncerniscence.Sirleek Khan's long and fiery feud with former President Donald Trump.It's made the London mayor a big name across the pond.Indeed, there's nothing to downs those flames.
19:25In the second part of our interview,at City Hall, you have a weird series of rules that have been laid down.You don't like gender-specific phrases like ladies and gentlemen to be usedbecause it may exclude non-binary people.What if somebody wants to be called a lady or a gentleman?You know, British Airways have done this too,and I'm like, hang on, when I get on a plane,I actually quite like to be called a gentleman.
19:47Where are my rights to still be called a gentleman?Well, I'm not sure about that.about that being a city hall rule, what I can tell you.Well, my self-categorisation anyway.Well, no, I love days when I'm called a gentleman.You know, but I think what it may be is, you know,something that may have said friends or people or Londoners.I don't know. But no, nothing is banned, you know.
20:09Well, it's an advisory.It says, for example, migrants shouldn't be called illegal,even if they're illegal migrants.They should be called insecure immigration status people are undocumented.But frankly, if they're illegal...I can do with that.If they're an illegal migrant, they're illegal migrant, why do you care what the phraseology is?Let me do with that.
20:27So when you're an asylum seeker coming to the UK, there are now no safe routes to come to the UK.And what the government has done is outlawed, made it criminal offence to come to the UK for asylum seekers.So many asylum seekers who come to the UK may be defined as illegal migrants because of the government passing this law, which isn't law in other countries.But they are asylum seekers who go on to become refugee.Geez, many of them great Britons.A couple of quick ones before I let you go.By far, the front runner in the Republican race remains Donald Trump.You and he have got a pretty checkered history, to put it mildly.
21:01You allowed a big balloon of him as a baby to fly over Westminster when he came into town.He's been pretty scathing about you.How would you feel if he is re-elected President of the United States?Just to give full context, I also allowed a balloon of me with a bikini to fly in London as well.Which was equally unedifying, I have to say.So it could have been worse, it's going to be me and purse with a bikini, what source for the goose?But can I just say this, look, this is my problem with Trump, I've got a number of problems with President Trump,and you and I've discussed this in the past, is how I felt, how I felt when he said some of the things about the religion that I follow,
21:41how my family felt in America, proud Americans, proud Muslims about what he said, about women I know, how they felt when he was elected.but you will have seen what happened on Capitol Hill, you know, when, you know, listen, there's losing with dignity, being magnanimous in defeat.And what happened at Capitol Hill?For those who were agnostic or not sure should be the final straw in relation to his fitness for office.This is America, for goodness sake, you know, you and I are big fans of West Wing.We look to America as a beacon for democracy, human rights, separation of powers, you know, so forth, the checks and balances.And I think sometimes, you know, yes, challenge is good, debate is good,but sometimes people are not fit for office.
22:24And I frankly don't think, and I don't want to cause offence to your American views and stuff.I do not think Donald Trump is fit to be the president of that great country.I mean, should somebody who's facing nearly 100 criminal charges, just on basic principle,should they be allowed to be a candidate for president?As the Constitution stands at the moment, he is allowed to be.He could be president and be in prison.Can I say one of the wonderful things in the joys of America is due process.And I think it's right that Donald Trump has his day or days in court.
22:55I think there is a presumption of innocence.There's a separate discussion about whether somebody who's presumed innocent should be barred from office.I think as a former human rights lawyer, that may be unfair.You're charged with an offence, not found guilty.He later may be acquitted.I think there's a separate discussion about that.But if he was convicted, for argument's sake, if Trump was convicted,of a criminal offence before the election,
23:18what would your position be then?Well, surely, surely then, you'd expectthe, you know, there'd be provisionwhere he's not allowed to stand with a conviction,particularly if it's a conviction to do with what happenedon Capitol Hill, particularly if it'sto do with a conviction in relation to a dishonestyand so forth.
23:34I used to be a lawyer, Piz,if you've got even a minor conviction for dishonesty,the law society doesn't allow you to be a lawyer, right?Because you're treating, you've got client moneyand so forth, so forth, you know,and so forth.I think, you know, the President of the United States is not arguably, it probably is, definitely is, the most powerful person in the world.The idea of somebody with a conviction can be leader of the country, beggars belief.
23:57But also, let me see the problem.What message does that send to people across the great country of America and around the globe in relation to no consequences for your action?Final question, Mr. Mayor.I know you've been very generous of your time, but recent studies showed that there have been more than 300,000 racist messages.about you since you became mayor in 2016,and that number's increased exponentiallysince the Ule's story has played out.And you've said that you've had PTSD
24:26from some of this abuse, this racist abuse you've been suffering.We had the founder of Pimbiko plumbers, Charlie Mullins,banned from Twitter, now called X,after writing racist and threatening comments about you,referencing the fact you're a Muslim mayorand saying that you should be killedsomeone should kill him. How did you feel when you read that from such a high-profile person?I want to say a beggars belief. Nothing surprises me anymore. It's more the impact of my daughters.
25:00You know, you're on the receiving end of some of this stuff as well. And so, and you know, as a dad, you worry about your kids, right?You know, I don't know how old they are. And as my daughter's seen that that upset me the most, you know, my wife's an adult.you know she's you know she's you know she's seeing some of the stuff but but also when you say thisstuff even though you might say you don't mean it how do you know how somebody else is going toreact to it in relation to you know the phenomenon of grooming being radicalized incitement and solisten i'm up for robust debate i think it's really important in democracy people should beacting in a way that make their views clear but it should be lawful peaceful and safe andthat's one of the reasons by the way i'm like you i support you know the ends in
25:44relation to just of all and extinction rebellion I don't I don't support some oftheir tactic because they're not lawful safe and peaceful but this goes onthe other side of that because you're inciting others to not just commit acriminal offense but to kill me I mean you know I was somebody who was closefriends with you know Joe Cox who was murdered in 2016 I mean we know wewere close and so and you've you know from the work you do people across theglobe who often the receiving end when peopleact on these sorts of message.
26:16And listen, you've challenged me during this interviewand you will confirm nothing was off-bound in relation to the challenge.That's the joy of a democracy.Yeah, I agree.But inciting people to commit criminal offences,commit criminal damage, I think, come on.I mean, say if somebody did behave in a way that brings to lifewhat people are saying, and I'm at the receiving end,
26:39or say you're creating an environment where my ethnicity,and my religion is a relevant issue.And I just think, you know, we live in a multicultural, multiracial society.The great thing about our country and our city is, there is no ceiling on which you can't go through.Forget the glass ceiling being smashed.It was decimated ages ago.And you're just doing back some of the progress make.And I'd implore people, yes, be a critic of me.
27:06Sign petitions, go on demos.Don't vote for me if you don't want to vote for me and stuff.But there's got to be a line, you know, beyond which you shouldn'tNo, I completely agree with you. It's disgusting. And Mullins has apologised since then. He's beentaken off Twitter, which is good. Good to see Elon Musk's Twitter X as it now is, taking action totake him off for that, because that's unacceptable. And I'm glad he has apologised for it.I just want to leave on a positive note, Mr Mayor. You've just committed 135 million pounds offunding, meaning that 287,000 more state primary school children in London will get free school meals
27:41from this week. That is a great thing to do, and I congratulate you on it.Thanks, Pizzling. Actually, I was somebody who had the benefit ofFree School Mills. That's great. We've got a picture of it, of you, and your brothers,actually, which you put out. Okay, all sweet, fresh-faced. I'm the good-looking one. I'm the good-looking one in the centre.I'm sure that, like my brothers, they might take issue with that, but I think it's great.Mr. Mayor, it's good to have you on Piers Morgan on Center. Don't leave us along next time.I promise I won't. Thank you for joining me.watch the full uncut interview with London's Mayor Sadiq Khan on the Pierce Morgan Unsensated YouTube channel,
28:17which includes what this, laterly, in the interview, he said about Julian Keegan.There are some days when I see our Prime Minister performing, but I think he's not after the job either.Oh, Rishi Sudak?I mean, some of the decisions he makes, I mean, come on, he should have sacked Julian Keegan.You showed me that video, if I was Sunak now, and you showed me that video of Julian Keegan,I'd be demanding, should be kicked out.Would you?You know, his decision to...
28:41He was the chancellor who decided as chancellor to reject the advice of the education secretaryand cut the school's budget by a half that was going into repairing the schoolsand spent half that budget instead on an ideological free schools project and so and those chicks coming on to roostinteresting stuff will rishie soonak fire his education secretary well he probably won't just becauseso that he can't tells him to but it was very intemper of what she saidand her handling of this has been, frankly, pretty appalling.Uncensored next, he's the breakout star of the US presidential race,but can Vivek Ramoswamy actually win?
29:24Don't be with me next.Welcome back to Piersburg and Unswomen.Some pretty good interviews there.So if you think we've been the best interview show out there this year,vote for us in the National Televisionerables.You've got a few hours left before we all trudged down there to the O2and hopefully don't have my miserable, unhappy face.Well, I've got my pack waiting to comment on that Sadiq Khan interview,
30:00but also to talk about my next guest,because the 2024 presidential race so farlooks like to be a rerun, potentially,of Donald Trump against Joe Biden.But this weekend, a grand swallows commentatorsclaimed that Trump could yet be disqualifiedfrom the ballot altogether over his alleged attemptsto inspire insurrection.
30:16My next guest may have some pretty strong feelings about that.Vivek Ramoswamy is the breakout star of the Republican race so far,the only one, frankly, to rival Trump for any kind of.of publicity or momentum.There's just one problem.It hasn't really explained yet how he'll actually beat Trump.Well, Vivek joins me now.Great to see you again.
30:36It's good to see it, Pierce. How are you?Well, first of all, an apology, because I've always called you Vivek,and then you very kindly corrected us all and said you are Vivek, as in cake.That's correct. I appreciate best efforts, but I usually save the airtime for substance.But thank you. I appreciate that.Well, look, we've done a few interviews, Vivek, so far.And obviously, when it started, not many people knew much about you other than your entrepreneurial stuff.Now, since the last debate, you've become incredibly well known, very well talked about, and a lot of unfriendly fire is coming your way.
31:10So my first question is, how are you handling being now in the proper spotlight of being a presidential candidate?I'm fine with it. And I do think, Pierce, that's part of the process.We jumped into this race early on going in eyes wide open, knowing that politics.is a dirty sport. It's filled with falsehoods. You may have seen a report over the weekendthat actually one of the other candidates' large super PACs was taking credit to their donorsfor the donors for the attacks that have been manufactured against me. That's okay. I can handleit. And to tell you the truth, if I'm asking the people of this country to ask me to representthe U.S. across the table from Xi Jinping, I better be able to sit across the table from other
31:50candidates or from left-wing media or anybody else. And so we're doing just fine with it. I'm focused on what wewant to achieve it for this country, shutting down the administrative state, keeping us out ofWorld War III, declaring independence from China, growing the economy, reviving national pride.These are my actual focus areas, not some side attacks that I really could care less for.Okay, look, you've certainly been so far, I would argue, the most pro-Trump of the other candidates.But that raises the question. If he's so great, even to the extent you would pardon him of any crimeshe may be convicted of. Why would you run against it? Why not just let Donald Trump run again andpotentially win again? And maybe you get a good job out of it. In other words, if you keep talking
32:32him up, how does that help you? So the answer is I'm not looking at what's going to help myself or not.I'm looking at speaking the truth. And I do think he was an excellent president as judged by results,but I'm going to deliver something that he did not. National unity. Uniting this country is a topobjective for me. I'm 38 years old. I am the youngest person ever to run for U.S. Presidentas a Republican. And, peers, we're reaching the next generation in droves. We're revivingnational pride amongst young Americans. 40% of my 100,000-plus donors, are first time everdonors to the Republican Party in any form. That is unheard of. That number is normally 2%. And so,yes, on 90% of policy areas, I do agree with Donald Trump. And I respect as a couple of government.
33:20accomplishments, but there's more to a president than just being a policy book in a binder.Part of this is how we reunite this nation. I think I'll be best positioned to accomplish that,and I look forward to working with Donald Trump when I hope he's my advisor, frankly, my mentor inmy first year in office, that much I will take. But that's how I think this is going to play out.You managed to say that you thought Donald Trump would be your advisor as president with a straightface there, Vivek? I do. I think he's somebody who has a lot of experience. I don't want to startwith a standing start. I want to build on those.four years of experience.
33:53Pick up where he left off,but take the agenda to the next level.No, no, no.I can see why you would want him as an advisor.It's the idea of Trump playing second fiddle to anyone,I think is highly unlikely.And I guess my overriding view is,how do you beat it?
34:07He's so far ahead.You had a good debate, I thought, in many ways.You've got a lot of publicity out of it,but it hasn't really moved the needle on the polls.Trump is so far ahead.He looks unstoppable, and all these indictments,all they seem to be doing is helping him.Well, I'll tell you one thing. I'm dead set against these indictments. That is not how I want to win this election. Seeing the cop opposition eliminated, no, that's the wrong way to do it in this country. I will say this, though, peers. I started, people said you started at 0% in March. I said, nope, I started at 0.0% in March. I'm now a solid second or third in nearly every major national poll that's coming out. And many people in this country didn't even know who I was six months ago. Most people couldn't pronounce my name until two weeks ago. And so,
34:51The fact of the matter is we're on our way up.I'm still introducing myself to the country.And I'm confident that we're going to be successful.I'm talking to you from a farm in New Hampshire.We're meeting voters, and I think we're very confident about where we're heading.You are going to have to take the gloves off with Trump at some stage, maybe on a debate stage.So what don't you like about Donald Trump?Well, look, it's less about what I don't like about him, but what I do think this country needs to go further.
35:17I will unite this country.And if Trump was going to do that in his four years,That would have already happened.He delivered great results, but I think we have to actually speak about this country in a way that reaches the next generation.Talk about what it means to be an American.He's two devices.I'm not in this race to run against anybody, but I am unified.Well, you are, but I'm in this race to be unified.
35:39And I think that's...I know, I know.That's the essence of what's different about my candidacy, because this is why we're succeeding.You are in a race and you are going to have to try and beat Donald Trump.And it's interesting to hear you admit...You admit that the dividing point of view is he's too divisive, right?I think I am more unifying.That's the answer.
35:58And I think that that's more important.And the way we're going to unite this country is not by tearing down other people who have made great contributions to this country,Donald Trump being high on that list among them, but by actually articulating what this country stands for.Answer what it means to be an American at a moment where we're in a middle of a national identity crisis.fill that void in the heart of the millennial generation and youngerwith an actual vision of national identityinstead of woke poison or any other poisonthat fills that void.
36:28That's how we win.We've been running from something for a long time.We've got to start running to something.That's what I'm doing.There's a lot of stuff about you I really like.A, you come on my show a lot, which I love,and you do a lot of interviews and you're up frontand you take the tough questions.
36:43You go on lots of places where you might get a hard time.I love the energy, I love the dynamism,and anything else. But there are aspects of some of your policy stuff, which I really don't like,one of which is your position on Ukraine. And I want to read you, this is a tweet that you didon the day the war started. Putin is a bully. The way to stop a bully is to punch him in the nose,you said. Now, now your position is you should just give, unless I'm wrong,Ukraine should just give Putin the land he's stolen with his illegal war. I don't know howyou equate those two statements.
37:17So, Pierce, I think there's two things here.One is we should have never been in this situation in the first place, because if the U.S.actually had energy independence, if we drilled, we fracked, we were a net exporter of energy,Putin would have never had the leverage to go after Ukraine.But now being where we are, it is our job to make sure that we secure peace and advanceAmerican interests without sleepwalking into World War III.That is what I'm leading us to do.But how have you moved?
37:46The answer is I don't want to-How have you moved from a guy who illegally invades a country, a democratic sovereign country?You said the only way to stop this bully, Putin, is to punch him in the nose.But when Ukraine, in my view, valiantly fight for their territory and their people, and Putin still takes a load of their land, your answer to the bully is to now give him what he's taken illegally.No, that's not correct, actually.It's going to be to require a major concession from that bully so that we don't ratchet this up to the next.It's a third of the country you want to give it.No, no, no, Pierce, I think you're either, I mean, and it's not your job to know every aspect of everything I've said.
38:24If you're questioning on me on it, I would ask you to know what I've said countless times.I would actually require Putin to exit his military alliance with China.That is the big demand and requirement we will have for any deal of any kind.That Russia-China military alliance is the single greatest threat to the West and to the United States as we know it.Putin is in Xi Jinping's arms.Communist China is fundamentally hostile to the United States.And I have a clear vision for how to pull Russia apart from China.We will end the Ukraine war on terms that leave Ukraine's sovereignty intact.
38:59I will note, Piers, I'm skeptical that that's even the path that Ukraine is on right now.So that's a win for Ukraine, but more importantly, it's a win for the U.S.It's not a win for Ukraine, though.If you were president of the United States and you tell them they have to give...Better than losing its sovereignty.Yeah, but giving a bully what he's taken,illegally is not, to me, strong leadership, is it?Well, Peters, I'm not given anybody what he's taken.
39:21The fact of the matter is we have to honor our commitments.We had a commitment to Ukraine in 1994.We've fulfilled that commitment.But James Baker also made a commitment to Gorbachev in 1990 on behalf of the U.S.,saying that NATO would expand not one inch past East Germany.Turns out NATO has expanded far more after the fall of the USSRthan when the USSR ever existed.So I do think that we should be clear.
39:44that NATO should not admit Ukraine to NATO.But I want to be really clear about this, Pierce.I'm not letting Putin, his actions are craven.I've said so, but I don't trust Putin.I do trust him to follow his self-interest.Is he still a bully?And we will do a deal that causes him to exit.I mean, many autocrats around the world are bullies.
40:01Putin is one of them.But the fact of the matter is you have to actually do a dealthat advances everybody's self-interest.Require Russia to exit its partnership with China.Okay.That's the key to the kingdom to secure peaceand keep us out of World War.We've run out of time on this interview, but I, you know what I'd love to do with you?
40:17I feel like I've interviewed you a lot, but for, you know, five to ten minutes at a time.I don't think as you get better and better known, people want to know more about you as a human being.I would love to get the chance to sit down with you and have a proper one-on-one about who you are, where you've come from,because I think you are igniting this whole presidential race in an exciting way.I don't agree with you about some of the stuff you're saying, and not least Ukraine.But I do love the way that you're out.there doing your thing and I'd love to get a chance to get to know you better Ienjoy our exchanges it would be bizarre if we agreed on everything right so let's do
40:52that join us on the campaign trail I'm talking to you from our campaign busokay ride the bus with us we'll spend a day together I'd enjoy that Ican also see how some of the audiences here in the US are responding yeah I thinkit's it's really motivating to me but it's it's quite something to see sofinal question before I let you go and I want a quick answer if you werepresident of United States and you might be in a year so time what's the first thingyou would do? What's your number one priority?Implement a 75% headcount reduction in the federal bureaucrat base and shut down government agencies
41:24that should not exist. That's how you revive the lifeblood of a constitutional republic.It's also how you grow the economy. That's what I'll start on on day one.Vivek Rameswami, you're a fascinating guy and your race is exciting people. Good and bad andugly, but that's the way it often is.I look forward to meeting with you properlyface-to-face and having a more in-depth chat.Thank you very much.Thank you, Peers. I look forward to that.
41:50Thank you.Well, let's answer next. The Pierce Pack,we're waiting with baity breathto feast on these two meatyinterviews with the London Mayor andthe rising star of the Republican Party.I'll talk to them next. Welcome back toPierce, William & Ascent, joined by Esther
42:22Krakker, the total TV contributes and Associates of DailyMayor of Kevin McGuire. You've been waiting very patientlywatching these two big interviews.Esther, Sadiq.He attracts equal amounts of loathing and love.He's obviously been re-elected.He probably will win again,judging by the candidate put up against him.
42:38What do you make of that interview?I was very surprised.I went into that interview wanting to throw eggs at him over you, Les.I still kind of do.But he was very polished.He seemed very sincere.And the thing is, you can understand his appeal.I've often made comparisons between him and Suella Brethrenman
42:53because I think they're two terrible politicians.But actually, I think he needs to do more interviewsin this style because it makes him seem more genuine and more likable in ways that SuellaBrevin just isn't.Right.He's not as unappealing and as repelling as she is.I mean, I think, Kevin, with him that I, having personally discovered that pollution was reallyimpacting my health and doing something about it and it working and it was cleaner air, I am,
43:15you know, I'm pretty wedded to this idea we need better quality of air.Yeah.It's how he's doing it.It seems to be divisive because it does seem to be the poor elements of society in Londonthat are having to pay because they can't afford to make the...transition to the new or expensive cars and that is the problem he's got to go over all thethe poorest in london don't have cars they use public transport but it the fact is he's doing somethingyeah and he is a politician who's did it now charging is crude so i'm i'm normally hostile to it
43:44but you can't carry on with dirty air in london it is a very polluted cityi think one of the things i found difficult to square with that policy is because of the mottemissions test that were updated in 2018 and will probably be updated in the next couple of years you know youactually could have realistically waited a couple of years before he implemented.I think he has to, I think he'll have to adapt it.But I do think, I think his heart is in the right place on it.Yeah.And I think that's what people, that's why probably the polls are divided.
44:08Because I think people think what he's right about, is it?It's like the eco guys with throwing the paint around.If they didn't do that, I'd be more supportive.I remember the opposition.He mentioned this, Sadiqar mentioned it.To Ulaz and the central London, and then people, most people realize they don't pay it.Most cars are compliant.In outer London, most people are going to realize their cars are compliant.
44:25If you've got a car that isn't compliantand you're going to have to pay the charge,it's generally a diesel more than eight yearsor a petrol over 16 years.Very few cars.Let's talk quickly about Vivek Ramaswami.Fascinating.I feel like he talks in like internet soundbites.
44:42He doesn't make any sort of coherent points.Well, he's a dynamic entrepreneurial guy.He's one of those motivated types.Yeah, he's memeable.He's like one of those entrepreneur, like, pages you follow on Instagrambeing like, oh yeah, drink cold water in the morning to get you going.Like, that's what he is.But is he real, or is this all just show and no substance, do you think?
45:01I would say all sure and no substance.I think he's glib.Look, he's changed his position on Ukraine.He wouldn't admit that.He talks about the truth, but he was peddling 9-11 conspiracy theories.He didn't change his position.He didn't know what he was talking about because he doesn't have the...Well, he wanted to give the bully a punch in the face,
45:15but now wants to give the bully what he took.And I don't think he can square those two positions.No, no, no, no, no.But he's certainly, he's energized that race.There's no question about that.Guys, I've got to leave it there.Thank you for being patient.listen to those two interviews. We'll get you back and have a longer chat about other things we've missed
45:29in this summer, but good to see you both. That's it from me. It's good to be back.Even if you're looking at me spitting with rage, it's good to see you again. And remember,whatever you're up to, keep it uncensored. Good night.
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