Piers Morgan Uncensored - Piers Morgan Uncensored: Sir Geoff Hurst & Matt Hancock

Episode Date: August 2, 2022

Standing in for Piers, Jeremy Kyle talks to Sir Geoff Hurst, previously the only player to score in extra time of a major final for England, about the iconic Lionesses' win at the weekend. Jeremy also speaks to the mother of Archie Battersbee, Hollie Dance, after judges reject allowing more time for the UN to consider the case. Lastly, Jeremy speaks to Matt Hancock about the Tory leadership race. Watch Piers Morgan Uncensored at 8pm on TalkTV on Sky 526, Virgin Media 627, Freeview 237 and Freesat 217. Listen on DAB+ and app.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm Jeremy Carlin, censored and coming up on tonight's program. The lionesses finally bring football home. Now, Sir Jeff Hurst, up until yesterday, the only person to score in extra time of a major final for England joins us later. A last minute court of appeal hearing has ruled that the withdrawal of Archie Batesby's life support should not be postponed. I'll be speaking to his mother, Holly, dance. And former health secretary Matt Hancock joins me with his thoughts on the Troy leadership contest. And the big question, is he still back in Rushi Sunak? Good evening, my friends, and a big, big welcome to Pearz Morgan, uncensored with me, Jeremy Carl, the disappointing sequel, the always tricky second album, the Big Breakfast with Richard Bake. Can you get the feeling so? The big guy has gone away for five weeks off to chat to serial killers, as one does. He's locked his dressing room, or should we say, his wing, with strict instructions for me to stay well out. The pre-show delivery of raw steak has been cancelled, and I'm not even allowed to sit on his chair. I had to bring this rather dodgy one from home. The powers that be,

My friend spent the summer casting around for a brilliant replacement. Derma O'Leary said no. Ant wouldn't do it without DEC, and DEC wouldn't do it without Ant and even Jeremy Clarkson was busy. But finally, they found their man, and they threw the talk TV contacts book, opened at the right page to a junior producer, but disaster struck. The novice style, the number above by mistake. And before they knew it, Jeremy Paxson was a no, and instead, you lot are lumbered with me. That's how it is, and here I am.

But the show, my friends won't be different. Don't worry. We'll have all the big-name guests, the massive interviews, the headline-making revelations that you come to expect from PM. We might have a bit of fun too, and who knows? With Gobby away, maybe Mega Markle will fancy coming on and having a chat. Just to spite the old man. Now, it'll be entertaining, it'll be informative,

and of course it'll be uncensored. First tonight, though, and as Badiel and Skinner prophesies, it's finally come home. Celebrations today continuing for England after their brilliant 2-1 win over Germany last night. Ella Toon, Chloe Kelly got the goals to give England its first victory in a major international football tournament since the Men's World Cup triumph of 66. And check this. A whopping 17.4 million people tuned in to watch this amazing moment last night.

And he goes, bronze a ride, got the touchdown. Kelly's in there the first time ever being champions. Joining me now is former Lioness and talk sport presenter Leanne Sanderson, who has 50 caps for the England team. And as well, the last time England won a trophy was in 1966, and I'm totally chuffed. I'm a massive fan. Sir Jeff Hurst joins me from that team right now. Sir Jeff, good evening, sir. How are you?

I'm okay, thank you. Very well. Thank you. You've got to start more excited than that, man. It's amazing. Listen, I'm not excited now. But I was very excited yesterday. It was absolutely fantastic.

Let's start, Leanne. You were there, weren't you? There's been loads of talk today and I get it about what this means for women's football. Let's just talk about the atmosphere inside Wembley. 87,000 people, more than watch the men. Let's get it in there. What was it like the atmosphere?

It was amazing. I've been fortunate enough to be at every single game commentating for talk sport and it was just an amazing atmosphere at all the stadiums, whether it'd be Brighton, Sheffield. But yesterday was incredible and I've never had so many ticket requests for a game. I genuinely believe it could have sold out like three times over

And I've always said seeing is believing and if you advertise something, people will come. And people laugh when I say this. I love Beyonce. I don't just go to the O2 hoping she's going to turn up and wait. I think we didn't advertise the women's game in this country ever in the last six months. You know, TV outlets, radio stations have taken hold of women's football in this country

and everybody can see it. And now they have role models to look up to. Now, role models were there before, but at the same time nobody can visibly see them. One FA Cup final that I played in a year was on TV and now all the games are on television and people can make their own assessment. of the players individually,

and I think that's what's amazing. I was there yesterday. I cried at the end because I was so emotional, genuinely, because I just felt like I've been there. I played in the final in 2009 when we lost to Germany, 6-2. I've lost at Wembley to Germany 3-0. So it was just so great for all the players, my former teammates, and it was just brilliant.

So, Jeff, I read this amazing quote from you, sir. You're the only man to score a hat trick in a World Cup final. When Chloe Kelly scored an extra time, you tweeted, amazing, holding breath. followed by European champions, unbelievably proud. What was it like for you, Sir Jeff, watching that yesterday? Well, the strange thing is, probably more excited watching a great game like that

than probably playing in the final. Because when you're playing in the game, you're so focused on the game itself. You're not aware of the atmosphere or the tension, really. It's when you're actually become a fan and you're watching it that you get quite excited. And I was genuinely excited as every other fan in the country, not the people at Wembley, of course,

but the people all over the country. You look at, you know, Trafalgar Square. It was absolutely magnificent. And you've become aware of the importance. I think what Leanne said as well, Sir Jeff, you know, 17 and a half million people watch that match. And this sort of building crescendo in the country, I'll be perfectly honest.

Until it got to the quarterfinal stage, I was probably your architect. Well, I'm a West Ham first. Sir Jeff and I got something in common. 14 years, 58 to 72. I know, he's a legend. But the fact is, it sort of started to interest. me and then the Spain game and then the semi-final against Sweden.

And it just built. And actually, Sir Jeff, Leanne's right. The interest, the turnout today, phenomenal. And what does that do, do you think, for female women's football in the future? Oh, it's tremendous inspiration. Even before the result in the final, a major step forward getting into a final. It was already going to inspire many, many young girls in this country, whether we'd won or lost, but now going on to win it, of course,

it is absolutely magnificent. I recall 20 years ago, I went to Shaw five women at an introduction to the level one coaching course, and four of the five women, when we had a cup of sea afterwards, said they were barred from playing football. So you cannot believe how much we have moved on. And this, this win yesterday is another giant step for women's football and for young girls to be inspired to,

to get involved in playing football at four or five years of age. Fantastic. Completely agree. Serena Vigman, the manager, fascinates me. I've got some facts here. We talk about how, you know, female football now will move forward. Gareth Southgate earns $5 million a year. Serena Vigman owns $400,000, right?

The average wage of a professional footballer for a female in England is $30,000, and the average Premier League wage is $60,000 a week. Can you see that moving because of it? this because of TV money because of interest because all of my kids everybody was totally into it yeah and I think eventually you know they'll have to get with the times because the US women's national team you know I've just got equal pay a lot of the countries all over the world have I think ultimately it comes down to revenue and I think they've seen now they can bring in the revenue the sponsorships are there and everybody wants to be on board and it's been a fantastic tournament

for that and you know I think obviously I get asked that question a lot about equal pay and the fact that I make more money now doing TV work than I ever did playing football is quite sad at the end of day, isn't it? Because I retired two years ago and make more money now. Let's go to the show. You must be absolutely gutted to have missed. I always think all those premiership footballers to go, he's on 300 grand a week. I wish I hadn't retired. But you're proud of where the game

is. But do you feel like you missed the boat a bit? No, because I still work in the men's game now and I work in the women's game and, you know, I'm still involved. We don't need to talk about that. Man United. Get out. Then I can't. So, Jeff, what's she doing? Man United. Now, listen, let's talk West Ham. What an extraordinary couple of years we've had

under the Moiziah. Can you see West Ham, you know, getting there, into the Champions League? Come on, let's give it a bit of a plug. Well, I actually amazed you want to talk about West Ham United after the ladies winning the tournament yesterday.

You've got to talk about everything. I'm very happy to talk about West Ham, of course. Fine, okay. Well, I'm happy to talk about West Ham, particularly when we do well. I very rarely talk to journalists about West Ham when things haven't been going to it.

You go back two years, need a relegate it. So it's been an absolutely, again, a magnificent scene for the hammers under David Moore. I think the recruitment prior to that a couple of years ago wasn't very good. He's turned it all around and a great running in Europa League

vying for the top four for most of the season. It was always going to be slightly out of our reach. But where we've come from, nearly relegated two years ago, it's a magnificent step forward. And the reason... So it is, you know, 60,000 people now at the ground.

It's a magnificent time for the hammers. The reason I actually did that genuinely was because the apathy around West Ham as a West Ham fan up to a couple of years ago, you could almost level at female football, women's football, because I promise you, four weeks ago

it didn't resonate. One of the things I thought, you didn't want to watch the women's game? Not really. If I'm being completely honest, I'll tell you one thing women don't do when they get tackled, they get straight up, they don't squeal like men do. I mean, they just, to me... But there's a lot of people like you, Jeremy,

around the country, that felt that way, and you can be honest. I mean, people come up to me and say, whether they like the game or not, I don't really care at the end of the day. What I know is this lionesses have done an unbelievable job in the way they've won. We didn't win. I did pave the way, loads of players paved the way before me, but ultimately these lionesses

have won and it is changing, you know, people's perceptions of the women's game and stereotypes and we're not trying to be the men, not trying to compete with the men, we're trying to do you. I said you don't have Serena Williams against Federo, do you? No. Compare the two. Don't compare us. I think it was Lord Sugar. I could be wrong. I'd be told if he said it's just pub football,

it's never going to be the same women's football. a female football team, what level of men's, would it be the championship, would it be League 1? What do you reckon? Yesterday's team, the European champions. It's difficult. You can't draw comparisons because we used to play when I played Fringland against Academy players and they're just quicker and stronger

genetically, so you can't even compete really. That's a genuine truth. And people say to me, oh, you know, Leanne, you should be playing in a men's game? No, I shouldn't. Because if we're doing a Rondo like a 6v2, yeah? If I'm shooting on a goalkeeper, yes. But when it comes to 11v-11, like they just kick the boy over our head, run onto it, and just genetically, they're

Quicker. Sir Jeff, as one of the greatest strikers this country's ever seen, that World Cup hat trick will stay in folklore forever. What did you make of Ellatoon's finish? I thought it was one of the coolest chips I've ever seen in my life under pressure. That was absolutely top class, wasn't it? I mean, what can you say it about it? It wasn't a chip.

It was almost like a half volley, flicked over. I mean, absolutely perfect. And you wouldn't get a better finish. We talk about not comparing men and women naturally, of course, in the game. but you would not get a better finish from a man than that goal. It was absolutely fantastic. And what a great way to open the account. And then you think about Russo's back heel in the semi-final.

I mean, with respect, if a man had done that, they'd be saying that's better than Pellé. It was extraordinary, wasn't it? Yes, it was. I would say two things about that. That's probably, and I'm not pretty patronising the women here, or against men, that was probably the best back hill I think I've ever seen in any class of football. I agree.

Against that, I would say, I think the goalkeeper probably felt a little bit regretful in letting it go through her legs, as unexpected as it was. So, Geoff, you're very kind. I really appreciate you joining us. And Leanne, last word from you. You talk about what this means. What do you hope it means for the future for women's football in the world in the United Kingdom? I hope it changes. I hope it's here to stay. You know, when I played at Wembley before, there was 70,000 there would go to Boron Wood.

When I played for Arsenal, there'd be 300 people there. So I encourage people like I have done all day, go out, buy a season, see for your WSOL. Club, WSL2, because we need you there, we need the funding and stuff like that, but they're women's football is here to stay and hopefully people like yourself have been changed during this tournament and that can happen. You can take me to a WSL

game now, anything for a free ticket. Leanne Sarderson, Jeff Hurst, thank you very much indeed. The amazing lioness is winning and are now European champions, uncensored next. Now, a last minute court of appeal hearing has ruled the withdrawal of life support for Archie Batterby should not be

postponed after a UN committee asked for time to consider the case. And after the break, exclusively, I'll be joined by Archie's mum, Holly Dance. Stay with us, we're coming back in three. Welcome back, my friends. Now, I'm sure many of you have been following the tragic story of Archie Battersby.

On the 7th of April this year, 12-year-old Archie was found unconscious at home in Essex and has been in a coma ever since. His mother, Holly Dance, found him and believes the incident occurred whilst her son was taking part in an online challenge. Now, doctors treating him believe he is brain-stemmed dead,

and have consistently argued ending his life support is in his best interest, but his parents believe it's their decision. This afternoon, his parents lost an appeal to delay the decision, and the court decided that this boy's life support treatment will be switched off at midday tomorrow. I spoke to Archie's mum last week on the radio. I'm delighted she's agreed to join me now on uncensored. Holly, good evening.

Thank you for taking the time out. God only knows what you've been through. such an emotional roller coaster but what i was keen to do was sort of expand on what we spoke about on friday because what you told me on the radio i think i changed my opinion can you just explain the reasons why you and your family are still fighting

as hard as you are uh... i'm fighting we're fighting as hard as we are because the evidence that's been put over into the call is far from actually the condition that that Archie's in. We've been here 115 days now. We was told Archie wouldn't last the night.

He's stable. I've had a friend that's come up to visit that's actually been a qualified nurse for 25 years. It was put across, I think, I believe today that Archie's organs are phalian. She's said 100%

today that there are no signs whatsoever that Archie's organs are failing. The whole all his stats every single day. He's holding himself very well. For somebody that's supposed to be deteriorating, you know, the courts have said today that he's deteriorating, he's losing weight. That's not the case. He's actually gained weight. That's been noted. He was weighed this week. Sorry, last week. He's gained weight. You know, it's far from

what's actually been put in front of these judges. But because we've been silenced, we're not allowed any medical experts or anyone sort of on our behalf to come in and challenge these doctors, That's the only evidence that's going in front of the court, and it's not fair. I thought justice, you know, a court, it should be hearing both sides of a story. That's not the case. Holly, you've tried the Supreme Court. You've tried the UN. There was an intervention.

I know you won't keep up, keep from maintaining the fight. But what is essentially left? I find it really concerning that you say that there's almost not a cover-up, but you don't feel you're getting a fair hearing. What do you need? What do you want? Because when you explain to me on Friday about what you were feeling and what you were seeing, very different from what perhaps has been reported.

Because you would understand, we've had discussions before, that a lot of people will say their heart goes out, this is terrible. Others might say, come on, is there nothing else you can do? Are you holding on to the impossible dream? How would you answer those people, Holly? Well, the UK seems to be the only country that doesn't have any options. In the UK, it's a case of you're diagnosed with brain stem death, which, can I add, Arch, he's never been brain stem test.

It was terminated. He's never had that test. So legally, he's never been pronounced brain stem dead. I think that seems to have come across, it's been a bit confused somewhere along the way. Over here, it's a case of you're diagnosed brainstem dead and that's it, it's deaf. Other countries, there's rehabilitation programs

if you're diagnosed with the same injury as artery, there's coma arousal. We seem to be very cut and shut on what we can actually offer brain injure to patients. Let's move from talking about obviously what's out there in the public eye. We just saw pictures of you holding your son's hand. I've got five kids. My absolute heart goes out to you. I can't even believe or imagine what you're going through. What in there, in the room, what is that like as a man?

It's hard, it's really hard. As I said before, it's breaking me, but I just, it's so frustrating to hear what's being put across in a courtroom to what I'm actually seeing. There's nobody in that hospital that spent as much time with Archie as me. None of the nurses, none of the clinicians, I'm seeing, I'm taking pictures, I'm videoing, I've got the evidence that Archie is progressing. so yeah it is hard it's frustrating it's hard and the hospital you don't believe that the hospital have given him enough time to recover can i just read which we have to do no i definitely don't uh holly alister chessa the chief medical officer of bart's health NHS trust says our hope for its sympathies and condolences remain with archie's family at this difficult time we are following

the direction of the courts and no changes that we made to archie's care whilst the family appeal to the supreme court so we will prepare you to the court so we will prepare to withdraw treatment after midday tomorrow and less directed otherwise. Tell me, as a mother, as a parent, it's, what, half past eight on a Monday night, the 1st of August. The legal system in this country says that your son's life support will start to be turned off tomorrow at midday. What does that, what do you do? What do you think? How do you, what's next? Well, obviously I had this, I was first notified on Saturday that they were going to carry that.

today they've already told me to say that we don't even have the right to take us onto a hospice you know it's very much what the trust wants the trust seems to be getting and I think the whole it needs reforming over here no parents should be going through what we're going through I've spent all weekend with so much anxiety in my chest and to be honest we've had this from day two you know being pushed through all the court cases, just no empathy, no compassion. Holly, it's very different to what the hospital is bad.

It's unimaginable as a parent, the horror. It is unimaginable. The anxiety, as you said, I just want to finish, but listen, I think that everybody watching this would want to offer you and your family support and love and understanding. Can you, though, if, whether it's an independent legal body or medical body or whatever, Can you see a point, and please take this the right way, Holly, because we know each other.

Can you see a point where the evidence is all presented in the right way where you and your family would say goodbye to Archie? Or is this because of your anger with the hospital? Is this going to continue? It's not anger. It's frustration that how many people have actually gone through this and not questioned it. If we was allowed, specialists in of our choice, then I think maybe this might be a bit of a different story. it's the fact that we've had a block

for every single thing, even down to private blood tests, absolutely nothing. It's just been cut off from day one. No, it's our way, that's it. That's all we've had from day one. So what do you do tonight? What do you do for the next 16 hours between now and then when a court says

your son's life support will start to be ended? What do you do as a mother? What do you do as a family? I continue to go in and I sit with arch as I do every day and every night. I sit with Archie to early hours of the morning. Talk. Go through memories.

Play his videos, plays messages, hold his hand. I'll say one thing for you. You're an amazing mother. You made me think as a father. And I think that every single parent, whatever the case would go, you're doing what parents...

I would do exactly the same. I would. I wouldn't want to believe. And all of our hearts, seriously, here in the studio and on talk, go out to you and the family. Holly, thank you so much indeed for joining us. We'll certainly keep you updated with that story.

Thank you so much indeed. Now, next on uncensored, as we head into a crucial week of the Tory leadership campaign, Rishi Sunak and Liz Trust for attempting to woo voters with a policy bonanza. The good question, which strategy will pay off? Next, Peter Cardwell, and Conservative MP and former health secretary.

Yes, him. Matt Hancock. here after the break on Talk TV. Welcome back to Pierce Morgan. I'm censored. I'm Jeremy Carl and yes, you've got four and a half more weeks of me. We are, of course, into a crucial week in the race for number 10

with Rishi Sunak and Liz Truss, taking part in their second hustings event this evening in Exeter. Now, Sunat under pressure to overhaul his campaign as polling suggests he is lagging that far behind his rivalry. He might as well give up. Penny Morden, the latest party heavyweight,

I didn't describe it like that, to offer their support to trust. joining me now, talk radio's political editor, the legend that is Peter Carver. How are you? Hi, Jeremy. How are you doing? I'm good. So much all to ask you about. And this is very direct and straight, right? We've had this whole thing where the MPs

get down to the final two and Sunak won that. But let's cut to the chase. The Tory grassroots are an extraordinary breed of person and people, aren't they? They waited and waited for somebody to do Johnson in, but they will never trust the person that did it. And Rishy Sunak has got absolutely no hope of winning, has he?

You're absolutely right. And I think that if he were to win, it would take a miracle, really. And I think there are even people close to Rishi Tumak, who would admit that. And the fact is that Liz Tross is someone who has captured the imagination here. She says herself, she's not the slickest operator, but she's someone who communicated really well at those hustings tonight. They're still ongoing in Exeter, thousands of people packed into the room to listen to her. And she's putting policies forward that people want as well, like lowering taxation.

She's the sort of continuity, Canada, isn't she, to Johnson? And I've heard some really interesting sort of things going on and I'm going to throw you a conspiracy theory because you'll go, you're losing the plot, just that, right? So Johnson, right, she wins. Sunak never gets to be in the cabinet again. He goes and spends his money with his wife, right? She makes Boris Johnson, the envoy to Ukraine,

keeps him in high profile. She does two years quite well, loses the next election to Dia Kama or what his name is, and then Boris Johnson makes a comeback. And people laugh at me. Well, there's a lot of what-ifs in that, But I'm sure... 71% of the Tory membership

want Boris Johnson back. Is it possible? I'm sure it's crossed his mind as well. He called what Rishi Sunak and others, let's remember. There were dozens of people who resigned. It wasn't just Rishi Sunak. He called it the biggest stitch-up since the Bayou tapestry

at the weekend, which is a great line. But at the same time, you've got to remember that he will certainly have, at least in the back of his mind, maybe even the front of his mind, the fact that he's a youngish man. His career may not be over and he may be back in some regard. But certainly, envoy to Ukraine, would be a good thing for him to do for a car.

couple of years. Do you think the Tory party, who, as I said, a well-known for getting rid, and it's their right. I know we've talked before on the radio about democracy, but it does seem particularly wrong that 180,000 Tory members should be able to decide out of a population of 74 million, who the next Prime Minister is going to be. And I think there is that feeling, Pete. It's a fair point, but at the same time previously, it was just the MPs who decided who the leader should be, and the fact that members have a vote, those ballots will be landing on their doorsteps tomorrow. their vote as well. Can they? Yeah, you can vote once, you can vote once either electronically or by your ballot. And then if you change your mind between now and the third of September,

you can go the other route, whether it's the ballot or the or online, and change your mind. That's extraordinary. It's the second one that's counted. You're a, you've described to me in the past, you're a political nerd, right? Can you in any way see Rishi Sunat winning? It's not impossible. Five weeks ago, we said Boris Johnson was talking about a third term. Four weeks ago, nobody had really heard of Penny Morden. Three weeks ago, people thought Penny Morton was going to be the next Prime Minister. I didn't. Now she's, well, some people did.

I know she should endorse Liz Tross. I mean, never say never. There's a long way to go until the end of this leadership contest, but it certainly looks today anyway as if Liz Tross has this in the bag. One of the things, we've got Matt Hancock, former health secretary, and just a tick. One of the big wigs of the party, the Tory party are upset about these blue-on-blue attacks and how they're tearing themselves apart. There's a lot of people, political commentators, saying that for the good of the Tory party,

Rishish Sunak should step aside because, it's not going to get any better. Would that ever happen, do you think? It could hypothetically happen, but essentially because Andrea Ledson withdrew when she was against Theresa May, they've essentially signed up for this whole, all these hostings.

The second one tonight, they're going to be 10 more right across the United Kingdom. And actually, if you're a Conservative Party member who's paid your 25 quid, you actually want to hear from these candidates, they want to hear from these candidates, they want to be in the same room as them and hear what they have to say

and then make a decision in many examples. Good man. Joining me now, Conservative MP and former health secretary, good friend of mine. Matt Hancock, welcome to Pearce Morgan, uncensored, with Jeremy Carle and Matt Hancock. How are you? How are you? I'm fine, thank you. Very good. Good. You're very calm, you always are. You've backed the wrong horse in Rishi-Sinak. He hasn't got a hope, Matt Hancock. Come on. Well, I back the person, having worked closely with both of them.

I back the person who I think will make the best prime minister. And actually, if you look in terms of how the councillors think that they're voting, that's neck and neck. There's new polling out tonight that I've just seen in the Times newspaper that shows that Rishi is catching up with Liz. And I mean, I think that both of them would make a very good prime minister, but I'm absolutely clear that I think Rishi would make the better of the two. And I've worked very closely with both them. It's about the policies. and it's about the character and the ability to deliver and get stuff done in Whitehall and get things moving.

And on both of those, I think Rishy's the one to go for. Can I ask a question as a Tory MP? I've got a good friend of mine. I won't name him who says that the difficulty in being a backbench Tory MP is you've got to sit on your hands and you can't show yourself too soon in a leadership battle because if you show for the wrong person, you're consigned to history forever.

And if you don't show soon enough for somebody that wins, then you're screwed. If Liz Trust wins, is that the end of your planned and hopeful comeback by backing Sunak or will the party unite? Because a lot of criticism, Matt Hancock, about these blue-on-blue attacks. Can this end?

Yeah, I don't like the blue-on-blue attacks. I don't think actually they work for the people doing the attacking, frankly. I think that people see through that and it comes across worse for the side that's doing the attacking. I don't like it and I refrain from it because actually I think what we've seen is a vibrant debate about policy and about the way forward. That was true when there are 11 candidates.

It's still true now that there are just the two. And, you know, on the central questions like do we need to tackle inflation, you know, I think that's a really big debate and I think we do. And, you know, the package that Rishi's put forward on that, I think, is compelling. But here's the other thing. But the broader point you're making in terms of MPs is, you know, the way I approached it was, you know, I didn't want this leadership contest to happen. But when it was obvious that Boris had to stand down, I just looked across all 11 of those candidates right at the start. I knew them all. I'd work with them all.

And I just thought, who would be the best prime minister? And for me, the choice was clear. Peter? Yeah, it's interesting. I wonder if I could perhaps ask Matt Hancock questions. Is that all right, Chairman? I just wonder, I mean, the 2019 election as well as Brexit was one on funding for the police and increasing police numbers, investing in schools, investing in the NHS. We've heard a lot about tax, but we just really haven't heard a lot about those three issues.

Are those things that the candidates need to talk about to remind people why they voted conservative in 2019, perhaps? Well, I think it's a really important point. Rishy's been talking about the NHS, and I think that's important. and of course he comes from an NHS background. I think that both the voters, you know, the members you were talking about who are making this decision and, of course, voters at a general election

want to hear about public services, want to hear about the NHS in particular. I think on policing, there's probably not that much between the two candidates. Both support the 20,000 more police that was our commitment at the last general election. But you've heard basically one of the candidates talking about public services,

that's Rishi, and I think we need to talk about the economy and the NHS and the other public services too. And that's important not just now for choosing the next Prime Minister, but also for winning the next general election. And I think that's probably why all the polls show, and these polls are the reliable ones, that of the two candidates, the one who can most easily beat Kirstama is Rishi Sunak. And for me, that's particularly important because Labour have admitted they can't win the next election on their own, And so it wouldn't just be Starma, it would be Starma and Sturgeon splitting our country apart. And for me, that really, really matters.

Matt, have you been promised a job by Rishi? Is that how it works? No, I haven't had that conversation. No, I phoned him up and I went to see him and I said, I know all the candidates. I think you'll be the best next Prime Minister. How can I help? Would you take one if he offered it?

Well, I probably would, but I haven't had that conversation. Let's see what happens. What about if Liz wins and what it's about? What about if Liz wins and goes, Matt, despite the fact you're back, Rishi, I want you in my cabinet. Would you do that?

With all the, you know, let's be honest, you've had a tough time with everything that happened. We're not going to talk about that tonight. We're talking about politics here, not personal life, but all that scrutiny. Would you be happy to come back? I'd be happy to serve under either candidate if, as Prime Minister,

they asked me to do a job for them in the cabinet. Absolutely, I think, is about public service. We talked about blue on blue, Nadine Doris has been heavily criticised today for sharing a mocked-up image over the weekend showing Rishi Sunak stabbing Boris Johnson in the back with the knife in a parody of the overthrow of Julius Caesar.

The re-teet was banded dangerous and distasteful by Sunnetbacker Greg Hans. What's your response to that? That's not what we want, is it? In any which way? Well, I understand that she's undone the retweet and I think the less said about that sort of thing, the better. You know, this should be about policy,

it should be about character and I think that's the best level of debate to have. You know, I worked very closely with Nadine during the pandemic. She was one of my junior ministers in the health department and, you know, I got to know very well. I think, as I said before, I think this sort of a personal attack

actually plays worst for the side who are doing the attacking. Because, you know, people who are members of the Conservative Party, are not, you know, they're pretty engaged in politics. They can see through things like this, and they ask about motive and they want to see people behaving properly and in an upright manner.

And so, frankly, I think it's counterproductive from those who are doing it. But I also think it's not the important stuff. The important stuff is what has each candidate got to offer the country, and I think Rishi's vision is very compelling. You talked about policy, Matt. Peter would agree with me

You talked about policy and character. Many people say that's why Boris Johnson had to go because of his character, although I heard something very interesting the other day, and I'll change the words. This viewer said to me, Boris Johnson is a bit of a shifty liar, right? But he's my shifty liar, and I voted for him,

and I still want him to be Prime Minister. What would you say to that, Tory? Well, I think that when it comes to the next election, we've got to be able to offer a bright, positive, for the future for people right across the country, north and south, in the way that Boris Johnson managed to very effectively in 2019, which is what won as the 80-seat majority. You know, history will pick over the reasons why he eventually decided he had to resign,

and they'll do that for a long time. I'm sure my book's written about it. What matters now, and what's so important to me, is that we have that positive, compelling offer from somebody who can attract voters who may not have voted conservative before or just the once in 2019 and make sure we can appeal right across the country. And the polls clearly show that that candidate of the two left is Rishi Sunak. And the reason that's so important is the alternative is Stama plus Sturgeon. And that thought horrifies me. We'll agree to disagree. I don't think he's got a cat in hell's chance of getting into 10 Downing Street. But Matt Hancock, I appreciate your honesty. I appreciate you.

coming on. And thank you very much indeed. We'll watch this. Peter Carbole, thank you very much indeed. Will it be Sunac? Will it, will it be, will it be Liz Trust? The hustings continue. On the 5th of September, he'll be back. The big man, Mr. Morgan, well, Sir Piers, as I know call him, he'll be back. He sorted this himself. I'll be back the day there's a new Prime Minister. I think this is a con. I think PM has gone for five weeks because he wants to be PM. That's what I think. Right, next, I'll be joined by Peersy's Pack. It's all about him. The son's political reporter, Noah Hoffman,

and political correspondent, Ava Santini, plus royal author Tom Bauer. Stay with us. I'm coming back in three. Don't go anywhere. Welcome back, my friends. This is Peers Morgan Uncensored with me, Jeremy Carl. Now, I've sat here. We've got Pearz Morgan Unsensor Mugs. I've got Peers Morgan Unsensor pens.

And next day said it's Pear's. Well, we're changing. It's a rebrand. Tonight, Jezzasers Journows. Political... How awful is that? Political correspondent for politics, Joe Ava Santina, and the son's political reporter Noah Hoffman. Welcome.

And before we beat them, first, now this is interesting, over the weekend we learned of a Sunday Times report that the Prince of Wales accepted a payment of a million quid from the family of Osama bin Laden. The prince has said to have accepted the money from two of Bin Laden's half-brothers in 2013. That was a couple of years after the al-Qaeda leader was killed. Now, joining me now to discuss this is royal biographer Tom Bauer.

Good evening. Welcome to Piers Morgan Unsense with me, Jeremy Kyle. How are you? Good morning. Good morning, man. How are you? Welcome to the show. Let's talk about this. I will tell you straight away, Tom Bar. I'm a royalist. My old man worked for the Queen Mother for 41 years. And I'll start by saying my opinion, which is that he used to say to me, we will never know in this country how amazing that woman is until she's gone. And none of the rest of them will ever be anything as good as her. Now, Prince Charles has been questioned many times before. We had a situation of money in bags, didn't we? Harrod's bags.

Now, Arvi Nix, maybe, now apparently a million quid from Osama bin Laden. Not a great look. Well, not from Osama bin Laden from his family who had split off from him some years earlier. It looks very bad. I mean, the problem is it's not the first time he's been caught out. And as I wrote to my book four years ago,

he was selling access to himself for large sum of money for many, many years, for more than 20 years. And he was warned by his own father to stop it, and he didn't. And in my book, I did show how the people who he was attracting were increasingly what we could call colourful. They were controversial. There were people who he shouldn't have been with, let alone taking money from them.

And I just fear that this is one more nail in his coffin, it so to speak, it's been very, very dramatic, because it's going to get worse, in my view, more and more of these stories of him taking money in suspicious circumstances are going to emerge, and it's not good for his reputation. Where do you get that information from? That's easy to say, but you have that as information

that there are more stories? You have fact to that? Absolutely, because I traced his money role back to the last century, back to the late, back to the 90s, when he had employed an American called Robert Higden, who then was ousted by Michael Fawcett. And they were selling access to Charles for dinners, lunches,

drinks or visits to his house in Scotland. And the people were not people who he should have been mixing with. And the detail was never always available. Sometimes it was. But now there's clearly a leak. There's clearly somebody who's disgruntled, who's decided to leak bit by bit. And the stories are not good for, please, Charles.

Let's move to Jezzas Journows, not the pack. Ava Santini, thank you very. Santina, thank you for joining us tonight, Nero as well. Prince Charles, his judgment being called into doubt. Do you understand that? Yeah, well, I think what's more interesting is probably the judgment of the charity commission.

I mean, we heard this afternoon, they're not going to be investigating it any further. Now, I'm sorry that you're a royalist, but that, you know, the chair of the charity commission is a political appointee. He is married to one of Charles's bridesmen. I would just say that maybe... You know, conspiracy theory, theorists might say

maybe they're not investigating to protect Charles? You don't have to apologise to me about being a royalist. Now I'll bring you in as well from the sun. I don't think that this generation, past the Queen, I don't think we'll ever have the same, will we? I can't see it. I think this country will... When the Queen is no longer with us,

they'll go, actually, no wonder all these Commonwealth countries want to leave. They don't set themselves out somehow like she does. Do you know what I mean? I do know what you mean, but I think that is perhaps more applicable to Charles than, say, William and Kate, who polling have shown quite popular with younger generations. They're sort of with, like, what's woke, what's acceptable for Gen Z.

Whereas Charles, you can't really say the same. But I will say, on this story about the Bin Laden's, very interestingly, I actually went to university with Osama bin Laden's niece. Yeah, it was a bit of a coincidence. She was very normal and quite nice. She was pretty sure she was the president of our university's Middle East society, which was a bit funny. And she changed her surname.

But sometimes I think people forget that the family is not the set. He was a black sheep of asylum. They're a bit different. And I'm not defending the decision in any way. All right, we've got four minutes. So very quickly, Tory leadership. Ava, who's going to win? It's obvious, isn't it?

I think it is obvious. But, you know, I mean, Rishi Sunak is acting as if he's 20 points ahead in the polls. And actually, you know, he's kind of more, potentially maybe he's harrow-unning. As he's U-turned as well? 4-P here. Has he really U-turned, though? It's such a boring tax cut. I mean, we're talking...

I'm sorry. But, I mean, realistically, four pence off, you know, if you're earning 32K, that's going to potentially save you 700 quid. Realistically, if your energy bills are £3,000, that's nothing. Isn't the truth, which, for a left, you'll appreciate, the fact is if your wife's worth $750 million, whether we like it or not, your average, and woman in the street, the length and breadth of this country are struggling, right,

to heat their homes and fill their cars with petrol, right? They are going to go not in a million years, right? Yeah, absolutely. Rishi Sunak had to do something. Liz Truss's team came out straight off the bat. They said, £30 billion, we're going to reverse the national insurance hike. This is what we're going to do to stop filling government coffers with working people's money. You cannot say, give some blase statement about once inflation's under control, then I'll do something.

It's not going to cut it with the Tory membership. That's why we've seen Rishi Sunak now come out when he's behind the frontrunner. He had to do something and that's what he's done. Tom, can I bring you in very quickly? We haven't got long. Rishi Sunak, in my opinion, has not got a chance to be in number 10. It'll be Liz Truss.

What's your take on that? I agree with you. I don't think he is a campaigner. I don't think he can appeal to potentially Labour voters. I think the wealth thing does act against him. But, you know, on the other hand, to say that nobody rich should be running, for office, it's just crazy because only rich people create the wealth that the poor people need

for hospitals and schools and everything else. So I think we should drop that. But Rishi is just not going to appeal. He's not going to cut the mustard. I think we need experience. Ladies, I say that respectfully, the lionesses. What did Jamaica yesterday? But come on, this was right up your street, wasn't it? I don't know why you need to pit them against each other. I think, you know, this is so exciting because it's the first time that women are actually allowed to, you know, play football on the same stage that men are. Should have been a long time ago, though, right? Are you a football fan?

I'm a massive football fan. I'm an Evertonian. Well, it's not really a massive football, but somebody's used to disappointment. Honestly, you know, I loved playing football when I was a kid, and I was not allowed to play football after about 12 years old. I don't know why when women hit puberty were not allowed to play football anymore. Completely.

You know, change. Did you watch it? Oh, come on. In my defence, I'm Australian, and football or soccer, as we call it, is not a big thing. But what I am a fan of is girl power, is women achieving, breaking barriers and doing amazing things, as they always should. And I could, even as someone who knows nothing about football, I felt so excited and so happy for what girls younger than me are going to grow up watching. I felt like it would inspire a whole generation.

And I genuinely said it earlier. They don't squeal when they get tackled. They just get up. They earn nothing compared to men. One can argue for parity. And please, God, that happens. I just thought it was one of those examples, right? Very quickly, where this country pulls together, which is really nice.

And also maybe it'll inspire men to let us play football. Don't have a go at me. I'm not responsible for everything. Men, you must be pleased about yesterday because it gives you more of a chance, right? I'm really pleased that it was finally the women who got to beat Germany. Fantastic.

Although the German press this morning said we cheated. Did you read that? I wasn't reading the German press. No, and nobody should read the German press. We were too caught up in Westminster chaos. Westminster chaos. Listen, I want you back, if that's all right. Jezzas journo is one of my...

Journors is one of my favorite things. Thank you very much indeed. We got on all right, didn't we? Fantastic. I love her. Noah, thank you very much indeed. And that, my friends, thank you to Tom Bauer as well.

And thank you for your patience tonight. We did our best. As I say, the big dog is away. We're here for five whole weeks. I'm going to go home now. That's it from me. Whatever you're up to, do me one favor. Make sure it's uncensored.

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