Piers Morgan Uncensored - Piers Morgan Uncensored: Snow White and the Not So Seven Dwarves, Bjorn Lomberg, Ice Cube

Episode Date: July 17, 2023

On tonight's episode of Piers Morgan Uncensored, Piers debates over the leaked images of a new live action remake of Snow White and the Seven Dwarves by Disney with a diverse cast but only one person has dwarfism. Piers speaks to author Bjorn Lomberg, on climate alarmism as to whether we should be worrying about this heatwave. Piers is joined by legendary rapper and actor, Ice Cube. Watch Piers Morgan Uncensored at 8 pm on TalkTV on Sky 522, Virgin Media 606, Freeview 237 and Freesat 217. Listen on DAB+ and the app.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Disney stirs outrage by abolishing the dwarfs in this physically sensitive remake of the fairy tale classic. Is it time to stand up for the little guys against diversity-obsessed Hollywood? We'll debate. Thus, recools are smashed as heat waste spark wildfires and deadly temperatures across the globe. Skeptists call it climate alarmism, but should we be genuinely alarmed? We'll debate. And we're live in Death Valley.

From sweltering heat to cool as ice, actor, business mogul and rap legend Ice Cube goes uncensored with me one-on-one. Live from the news building in London, this is Pearce Morgan Uncensored. Good evening from London, and welcome to Pierce Morgan Unsensored. I've always used this show as a platform

to stand up for the little guys. Never before have I meant that quite so literally as I do tonight. Behind the scenes pictures from Disney's live-action remake of Snow White Elite this weekend. There appears to be a side. problem. Where are the dwarfs? They're gone. Canceled. Banished. And not this time by the Wicked Queen. Now, they've bitten the poison apple of diversity and inclusion, which has turned

out to exclude them. Disney's PC reimagining of the legendary fairy tale doesn't feature seven dwarves at all. Instead, it's seven magical creatures of varying sizes, shapes, ethnicities and agendas. The lead role of Snow White is played by Hispanic actress Rachel Zegler. And I've got no real issue with that, although of course Snow White was called Snow White because her skin was as white as the snow. And that was, of course, in a fairy tale. We've been lectured for years about cultural appropriation and the vital importance of Hispanics playing Hispanics, trans actors for trans characters, disabled stars or disabled parts. But where's a consistency? In the original fairy tale, the brothers grim wrote that Snow White is called Snow White because, as I say, her skin was snow white.

That's why her mother called her Snow White. And that's the problem when you start pandering to the permanently offended. You can never go far enough. Last year, Peter Dinklage, probably the most famous dwarf in the world, slammed Disney for including dwarfs in its movie at all. You're still telling the story of Snow White, and seven dwarves. Sure.

Take a step back and look at what you're doing there. Yeah. I know. That makes no sense to me. Oh, so. You're progressive in one way, and then. but you're still making that backward story of seven dwarves

living in a cave. What the fuck are you doing? Well, Peter Dinklage got his way. The dwarves have now been sidelined, cancelled. As critics in the dwarf community pointed out, though, it's all well and good for Peter Dinklish to take this moralizing stand. Now, he's already made millions of dollars

and become a megastar by playing a dwarf in shows like Game of Thrones. Disney, for its part, that he's taking a different approach to avoid reinforcing stereotypes. But what exactly are the stereotypes in Snow White that are so problematic? The Seven Dwars, you may recall,

are industrious, inventive, friendly, and yes, they're small. What's wrong with any of that? What's stereotypical? What's damaging? What's harmful? And then another blow for diminutive actors, trailers for the new Willie Wonka movie,

reveal something really quite sinister. You're the funny little man who's been following me. I will have you know that I am a perfectly resistant. respectable size for an umpalumpa. That's right. Regular-sized irritant, Hugh Grant, has taken a plum role as one of Wonka's pint-sized assistants, again depriving a talented dwarf actor of a role he was born to play.

And that's the problem with Hugh Grant. Never cares about the little guys. Well, joining me is Dylan Pozel, who played Hornswoggle, the leprecorn in WWE between 2006 and 2016, and by the podcaster and commentator James Barr. All right, James, you've got no problem with what Disney are doing. You think this is progressive and inclusive, and all those moaning about it should shut up.

I think you should live in the 1930s, actually, Piers, because that's where you belong, really, listening to what you were just saying then. Also, I'm going to quote Warwick Davis, because he said he finds it patronising when people are offended on his behalf, and you've just spent a five-minute monologue being offended on his behalf,

and I think that's ridiculous. Well, let me bring in Dylan, because Dylan is also offensive. and he happens to be a dwarf actor. Dylan, I've got to say, I was very curious when I saw what Peter Dinklish came out and said because I did wonder who appointed him the head of the dwarf actor community.

And it turns out nobody did other than him. And the people who it seems to me have really suffered in all this are the six dwarf actors who would have expected to have roles in this remake in a massive Hollywood blockbuster who are now not going to have that. experience, all the money, all the fame that may have come with that. What is your response to that?

So it's not a progression at all to me. My issue with it is exactly what you said. There are actors, dwarf actors, that dream to be in a major motion picture such as this Disney remake. And now, because Peter Dinklage said what he said last year, now it's taken away. And it's taken away. And is taken away because of quote unquote progression and all that. And that's, it's not really, it's not right. Because these are roles made for actors of my stature. Roals that aren't ever really given. I can't go out for the Harrison Ford or the George Clooney roles

because that's not for me. These dwarf roles are for people of my stature. And now it's taken away. I don't feel that's right. And not only that, but not Now think about the additional stunt actors or body doubles or that. Now you're talking multiple actors of my stature that don't get these major roles. And why?

What's the real? What's the reasoning? Because we're supposed to be progressive and we're supposed to just not view them as that. Well, you know the are heroes. All of these dwarves, all of these dwarves took care of Snow White. Right. They all had characteristics. Separate characteristics.

They weren't these cave-dwelling monsters that people speak of. They all had seven different characteristics for seven different actors from my community. And I don't feel it's right that they got taken away from us. I completely and utterly agree with you. And the irony is that they profess these progressives to want to do this to protect you. They protect dwarf actors from being somehow smeared. But you don't feel that way at all. Peter Dinklitz spoke up about this, and that was my issue.

He had in the past no issue cashing checks that were made for dwarf roles like elf and all of that. Yes, he blew away the barriers when he did his roles that weren't necessarily made for a dwarf, but the elf role was made for a dwarf. That check cleared just fine. So now that he's gone and done that, the progression of dwarf actors, it just doesn't sit right with me. This guy who is exactly what you said, what gave him the voice for all of our community? Why? I was honest.

I completely hypocrite. Let me bring James back in. When Pierce Morgan is agreeing with you, I think you need to be concerned. I'll say that for the... So you're telling the dwarf out of what he should feel. Hang on. Having literally just lectured me about speaking for someone in the dwarf community, Warwick Davis, you now accuse a dwarf actor. I'm not, no, it's not what I said. I said that if anyone, if you're signing with anyone, you've got to worry.

What I'd like to say, actually, is that I kind of mostly agree with what you're saying. Now you're, sir, that's just taking a pot shot there by saying, oh, because Pierce Porter agrees. But I do agree with what you're saying. I completely agree with your point of view, and I think that's really important. But I can only speak from my experience. And as a gay man, I know that growing up, I witnessed gay people being villains in movies when I was seen. Seven dwarves aren't villains.

And that I think stereotypes are really important to smash. What stereotypes do you think are in the universe of Snow White, wouldn't it be better if dwarfs are... I don't feel this... This isn't a part of this about the stereotype. Right. This is about roles that were made for people such of my stature that don't have the chance to go out for other roles normally.

But you, James... You want to stop Dylan getting a role in a Hollywood film. I am not going to get into an attack on a dwarf actor to like the role playing a dwarf part. Listen, a dwarf can play a dwarf part, but I think it's important to change narratives that don't fit in today's society. And really, it might be better. It might be better if dwarfs just exist in normal roles everywhere because they do exist in the real life. What was so bad about the way dwarves are depicted in so white? Have I missed something?

Well, listen, I'm not here to talk about. That's what I'm kind of wondering is why. I represent Disney, but I'm just saying, I think I see their point of view. What's their point of view? What was so bad about the depiction of the war? Why are you so upset about a movie changing with the Times and moving forward for 2020? Because I think that honestly, with great respect... There is real news we could be discussing.

No, but this is real news if you're a dwarf actor who are now out of work because of virtue signaling idiots. But you're just using this... Everything has to be rewritten to be inclusive. When in fact, it's not inclusive at all. No, you're using Dylan as a cheap shot to attack a Wokey. That's what's happening. I don't think Dylan feels I'm using him as a cheap shot. What I would say about the wokey thing is this.

I have spent the last year listening to people tell me only gay actors should play gay parts. Only Welsh actors, to Michael Sheen, should play Welsh characters. And so on and so on and so on. And so on. The moment we have dwarf roles, which are the most famous dwarf roles in Hollywood history, then the only people apparently you can't play them are dwarf actors.

And I see there, stinking woke hypocrisy. It has not changed. It was a cartoon. Those weren't actually dwarfs in the movie. They were drawn, okay? So, firstly... They were drawn as dwarfs. No, that is literally... But it's a story about dwarfs, sir. It's a story about dwarfs.

They shouldn't be called dwarfs. They shouldn't be called dwarfs. What's wrong with being called dwarfs? Nothing, but that's not the correct tone. Dylan, apparently, you're not allowed to call yourself a door. Apparently, Dylan, you're not allowed to call yourself dwarfs, apparently. I would love to hear what should I call myself, sir? I think you should call yourself whatever you feel comfortable with, but as a person...

calls himself a dwarf. That's great, that's good for you. I'm happy. So now, but now, sir, let me, let me pause that. So we, it shouldn't be called Snow White and a Seven Dwarfs.

Listen, I do not want to get cancelled because I think your point of view is more important than mine right now. But what I'm annoyed about is peers trying to take a cheap shot at someone that believes in society moving forward. Yeah, I'm actually, I'm actually exposing the hypocrisy

of the woke mentality of only gay people can play gay parts, Only trans actors can play trans parts and so on and so on and so. I think we would get to a place where everyone can play every role. Snow White and the seven dwarves has to be cancelled because you're not allowed to have dwarf actors. You should be happy, Pierce,

because it means that now you can play your dream role of Grumpy. I would love to play Grumpy. I loved all the dwarves in that movie. They were great. Now you're being a hypocrite. You'd love to play Grumpy, but you're taking a role away from a dwarf factor. No, I would play a fully grown grump quite happily.

By taking away a role from a group. Let me ask you, Dylan, about the Hugh Grant playing an ump-lumpur because again it seems to me we got a clip of him playing a umpola let's have a look at this so you're the funny little man who's been following me i will have you know that i am a perfectly respectable size for an umpulumpa in number one now allow me to refresh your memory oh i don't think i want to hear that too late i started dancing now once we've started we can't stop now so you're the funny little man who's been following me now they use cgii there dylan to effectively make him into an umpulumpur

What do you feel about that? Yes, sir. So now we're not only using CGI and spending extra money and funding for these movies when we could just cast dwarves in that role. Whether it be one dwarf or multiple, like they have been in the past, now you're taking at least one role away or multiple rolls away for oompa-lumpa characters. That's what they were in the past. And why, again, I go back to my stance on these roles,

roles in Hollywood in general are very hard for people of my community to get besides the elf and the leprechaun and this and that. So why are they being taken from my community? That's my issue here. It's not anything about the stereotypes. You know why? Because people like James here, they think it's progressive and inclusive. when in fact it's regressive

it's regressive and exclusive your words Pierce I Dillon Pierce I will I will agree with the mindset of it's not right I don't know James

James seems to be in partial agreeance with me on the dwarf actors and the roles with that that these should be but I don't on the other stuff I can't speak on that obviously it's that's I'm focused

fully on the dwarf community really losing roles in these films. I think James starts... With all the sag strikes, with all the writer strikes and the actor strikes, I do agree with you. And I think all I'm trying to say is that I think it's a nuanced conversation and there's a few different points of view that are valid. And ultimately, in my experience as a gay man,

the reason we're upset about gay people not getting gay roles in movies is because we're not getting straight roles as well. And until we are, it's unfair that those roles are taken away from us. So in that respect... What's that got to do with... Because they can't play regular-sized parts. I think Peter Dinklish's original point is that he would like to see more dwarfs in films in general, not just playing dwarfs. In general.

Literally, I should, a person of my stature should be able to go out for the same as a 6-foot-5, 200-pound human. But it's just not that way. And I'm okay with that. In reality, I'm okay with that. It's understandable to me. But when it's these roles that are made for people of my stature, that's where I have the issue. You know what, Dylan?

The movie, one of the great movies of all time, is called Snow White and the Seven Dwarves. If dwarf actors in Hollywood are not picked to play those roles, I don't know what roles you're supposed to be playing. It's unbelievably patronizing that they've done this under the banner of so-called progression. And it's not, again, like I said, these dwarves in that, movie or in this story aren't viewed poorly, I don't believe. They're all separate characters that are actually heroes for this lady.

Yes. And they take care of it and they take this lady in. They saved her. So they're viewed so well to society. They saved the woman. They're hardworking. They're wealthy. They are kind.

They are generous-hearted. It's hard to think of a more positive narrative about any people at all. Well, let's just go back to the 1930s, peers. I think you'd be happy there. You know what? Blackface would exist now. No, no, it's not black face. James, is that about going to be?

You're not more than happy. Because you know you've lost that. You know you've lost the argument. No, there's no argument. You know you've been embarrassed. You're not embarrassed. You are. You are a argument that doesn't exist.

Hold on, hold on, hold on, guys. We agree with each other. Please. All right. You know what? You do agree with him now because you realize the futility of your argument. James, you can't go and go, oh, you got to go back to 1930s. No.

No, James, if you agree with what I'm saying, you can't... I agree with what you're saying. I don't agree with anything that peers is saying. Yeah, here's the thing, Dylan. Dylan, just to be clear. He literally just said what I said, James. Dylan, just to be clear, he doesn't agree when I say it, but when you say it, he agrees.

Because you're not a dwarf. That right now... I'm not a dwarf, no. But that right there is the hypocrisy of the White Brigade. Dylan, let me... Let me just say, I've got to let go out, fortunately. Pierce, quickly, please. Pierce, quick.

Final word, Dylan. Pierce wrote... James, James, let me ask you this. So if a writer writes a piece on what I'm saying, is it wrong of them? Because essentially, that's the same as the words coming out of my mouth. Yeah, but you're not saying that I am a woke hypocrite and peers is. And that's what I disagree with because I'm absolutely not. I...

So when I'm saying I was... All right. It's nothing to do with your life. Well, I'll leave you there. Just to be clear, Gillen, he disagrees with what I say, but when you say exactly the same thing, he completely agrees with you. You're so annoying. James Barr, right to a tea.

Good, good. Fantastic, having you on Pierce Morgan unscensored. You did such a brilliant job in highlighting why this is so ridiculous. Shame on Disney, and I hope you get another brilliant role very soon. I really do. Well, I hope so, too, and I hope that this really kind of resounds with how I feel. And I don't speak for the whole dwarf culture and community, but this is literally how I feel.

Pierce Morgan speaks to the entire dwarf community. I've got to leave it there, Dylan. He speaks for all of you. Thank you, Dylan, for joining me. James, that's helpful, I think. Thank you for joining me. You're so welcome. You came on and you beautifully highlighted the shocking hypocrisy of woke culture.

Absolutely. Unsensured next. Temperature records tumble as a deadly heatway sparked wildfires and warnings to stay indoors, albeit not in the UK. Death Valley could be about to register the hottest temperature ever recorded on planet Earth. We're live there next. Welcome back to Piersborg and our sensitive after a weekend of deadly temperatures to cross parts of Asia, Europe and North America. Meteorologists are expecting more record-breaking temperatures in the next few days.

In China this weekend, temperatures hit 52.2 degrees Celsius. In Italy, temperatures could surpass 46 degrees Celsius by next Sunday. And in the USA, after a weekend higher 53, some experts reckon Death Valley could, maybe as soon as today, registered the highest temperature recorded on Earth. So is it another freak weather event or is it the red alert skeptics may need to look up and acknowledge the immediate realities of climate change?

I'm going to me now from Sweden. Yours were best things first. I'm plenty to say on climate change. You're on Lomburg. In Washington, atmospheric meteorologist Matthew Capucci. But first, let's go live to Gia Ponce. It's a park ranger at Death Valley, which may well break all-time records,

maybe even as early as today. Well, welcome to you. What's it like today? How does it feel this kind of heat? It's pretty warm. So forecasted highs today are supposed to be 125 degrees Fahrenheit, which is about 53 or so. Definitely normal for this time of year. But we are having an excessive heat warning all week long.

Any visitors to the park should definitely take precautions. What is interesting is we're now seeing those temperatures in China. We're seeing them in parts of Europe nearly at that level as well. What does that tell you about what may be going on with our climate? We might see some impacts. Here in Death Valley, we're definitely seeing some impacts. I mean, seven of Death Valley's hottest summers occurred in just the last 10 years, and it's only predicted to get higher.

We're seeing impacts in our wildlife, in our vegetation. Bristlecone pine trees, we do have them here in Death Valley, and they're starting to see the effects as well. So really tangible things that you can see now on an almost annual basis and getting worse. Are you fearful about what may be coming? We're definitely concerned and we're definitely trying to take steps to address them,

trying to plan ahead for the future, seeing as we're protecting Death Valley for future generations. But yeah, it's definitely concerning. And there are lots of people coming as tourists to Death Valley purely to experience the heat. Is that a sensible idea? Well, it's definitely possible to visit Death Valley during the hottest times of the summer.

We just urge people to do so safely. Now, Death Valley is one of the largest national parks in the lower 48 states. We're 3.4 million acres large. We're roughly the size of the state of Connecticut. We're larger than a few European countries. So it's a big park, lots of big wilderness spaces. And all we ask of visitors, if you're going to come, you definitely want to just drive around to the popular viewpoint, stick to the paved roads, and stick close to your air-conditioned car.

It's really important to limit outdoor exposure. You just want to make sure that you're staying hydrated and wearing all sorts of sun protection. Gioponse, I appreciate you taking time out from what must be a busy time for you. Thank you very much indeed. Thank you. Gia Ponce, there was a warden down at Death Valley, which could literally kill you in these heats. Let's go now to Matthew Capucci. You're an atmospheric meteorologist.

Matthew, what does this tell you? We hear there seven in the last 10 years record-breaking levels of heat in Death Valley alone. We're now seeing, obviously, China, many parts of Europe having record highs. What do you put this down to? Is there any other explanation than climate change? Well, most definitely.

It's not really one or the other. Weather is always going to happen and we'll have ups and downs and random extreme events because weather, after all, is just kind of the average, the sum of a bunch of different Preston Trumps. That said, we have a background of human-induced climate change, raising the floor and sort of nudging events,

exceptional events, into record territory. Imagine, for example, that I want to be a basketball player. I'm not a super tall person. Once in a great while, I might randomly get a layup. But if suddenly the floor of that basketball court keeps rising and rising a little bit, the odds of me getting a layup or a slam dunk go up and up and up. So the same thing's happening here. Yes, it's summertime.

Yes, it's hot. but we're pushing these heat domes, these big sprawling blobs of high pressure in hot air, into record territory. So these kind of exceptional events will happen much more often. Okay. Bjorn Lomburg, you're a climate skeptic, climate change skeptic. Why, given all this apparent evidence,

that the planet is literally overheating? So, Pierce, thanks. First of all, I think Matt and I are totally in agreement. Global warming is real. And as temperatures rise, you're going to see more heat waves. That's not what I'm skeptical about, the implications that we're being told. So one is that means we should start implementing policies

that essentially dissembled the entire growth machinery of the last 200 years. So it's going to cost hundreds of trillions of dollars, and they'll have absolutely no impact over the next couple of decades. No, if you actually want to help people, and you need to help people with heat, you need more air conditioning, you need cheap energy, you need more climate resilient cities.

And then you also need to recognize that while heat is certainly dangerous, it still is only about one-tenth as dangerous as cold around the world. And so if you really care about saving human lives, you need to recognize those temperatures rise. You're going to see more heat waves. That's a problem. You're also going to see fewer cold waves, which is great. And it actually saves more people right now. So again, we need to recognize, yes, there is a problem, but it's not the solution that we're normally told. How much of this problem do you believe is man-made that we could avoid if we change our behavioral patterns?

So again, I'm a social scientist, so I simply buy into what the UN Climate Panel tells us. It's somewhere between 50 and 100% caused by human beings. So we are the main reason for this. We need to fix this in the long run, absolutely, and we do that through innovation. That's how we've solved most problems in the world. But we do not do it by making enormous promises that we're not actually going to keep, spending hundreds of trillions of dollars and not actually helping the people who are affected by heat right now. The way you do that is by making climate resilient cities, by making them cooler.

You paint the rooftops white. You make more white areas. You make more greenery. And then you make energy so cheap that people can actually afford to keep both their air conditioning running in the summer, but also their heating running in the window, the heating that kills 10 times as many people as heat waste does. Some people may listen to that and say, okay, but aren't you just effectively pulling an arrow? You're not just fiddling while the world burns. I don't think I'm not even sure what pulling a neuro means, but it does.

What I'm trying to say is we need to do stuff that actually help people. I thought if you think back in France in 2003, there's a huge heat wave. It killed probably 45,000 people in Paris, France. Almost all politicians said the way we're going to. fix that is by implementing the Kyoto Protocol. No, that will help nothing. It'll still mean it'll get warmer, but slightly less warmer towards the end of the century. That's ridiculous. The way you should help these elderly people and the next generations of elderly people is by making sure you have air conditioning in elderly homes. And that's indeed what France had. So when they had much higher heat waves,

many fewer people died. That's how you actually help people. Yes, we should also fix climate change in a long run, but smartly not stupid. Okay. Bjorn Lomburg and Matthew Benushi, thank you both very much indeed. Unsensit next, after all that heat, time to cool down. I'll be talking to rapper, actor, and business mogul, Ice Cube. Join me after the break for an interesting interview with a fast-selling guy. Welcome back to Piers Morgan Unsensit. Ice Cube is a hip-pop superstar turned actor, who ever since joining the group NWA,

has never been afraid of stirring controversy with his words. Well, he sat down with me in New York last week to talk politics, money, and how he responded when, Yay, Kenya West, accused of inspiring his anti-Semitic outbursts. And I'm joined now by Ice Cube. Well, Ice Cube, thank you so much for joining me. Thanks for having me. Great to have you.

It's good to be here. A bona fide legend. Oh, thank you. Thank you. You like being called a legend? It's cool. You know, it's cool. It's interesting because I'm still, you know, here,

and I still feel like I got so much to do. So it's nice. Let me ask you this. There's been a lot of stuff about the state of the world, about the state of America. Where do you see things right now? I think, you know, people are very polarized in all kind of ways. People are afraid to speak out because of the cancer culture, cancel, I said cancer, culture that we have today.

So I just think, you know, people are afraid and they're running to their corners, you know. In a way, it is a cancer, canceled culture. It behaves like that. It does because it makes, not only the person that's getting canceled, they're trying to shut them up, but anybody's watching now they shut up

because they say, if it can happen to this guy, it can happen to me. So by smashing somebody who says something that you might not like and canceling them, it actually reverberates throughout the whole community. And everybody now is watching what they say all the time. What's the answer to this? Because I think it's crazy that in a democracy like the United States, like the United Kingdom, that people are too frightened to speak their mind to say what they think.

What do we do about this? I think you say what you want to say. and to hell with the consequences. You got to be willing to fight for your rights and fight for what you believe in. And if you're a person who believes in freedom of speech, you have to fight and say what you feel and let the chips fall where they may

and stand on that. And, you know, it may not be an easy road. But I think you feel better about yourself when you say what needs to be. be said at the time it needs to be said and not afterwards where you go home and think I should have said this when that guy was there or when I was there I should have said that and I didn't. That haunts you more. You can definitely say what the hell you like on this show. It's called it's called uncensored for a real.

Well that's why I'm here, man. You know, that's what I'm on the box. Let me ask you this. Is America more racist or less racist than when you were a kid? I think it's pretty much the same because it's institutionalized. And, you know, the institution takes on different faces, so to speak. But, you know, I don't know if the, if racism in the financial sector or has gotten any better. We still have a hard time getting capital when we need it. We still have a hard time having that access to those, you know, currency streams that's out there. And so it affects us in the same way.

In 1865, black people own maybe one or two percent of America, and I believe we're still in that same place. Is that right? Yeah. It's barely changed. The last rapper that I interviewed in this very studio was, Yay, Kanye West. You've had a wobbly relationship with him, but you're back on track. I read that you saw him, in fact, a few days ago. Yeah, a couple weeks ago.

I mean, we were always cool. You know, he just, he spoke my name without really explaining what he meant. And I just really couldn't leave that statement out there without, you know, he never explained what he meant. And so I had to, you know, kind of rebut that. But since then, we've talked and I think, I think Yeh understands that generalizing will always get you in more hot water than being very specific. You know, you could be very specific. Since I interviewed him, he's kind of disappeared.

I mean, how is he? How's he dealing with what's happened to him? I believe he's doing great. You know, he's still, you know, dealing with some people trying to hold on to his money. But for the most part, I believe he's in a good space. I think he's, you know, learned a lot from this past year. And, you know, hopefully he'll come out better on the other side. When you saw some of the crazier things he was saying, the anti-Semitic statements,

he was making. What did you feel as someone who knew him well? What did you feel about that? I felt that if he was really upset with specific people that the message he was saying would kind of hijack

what he's really upset about and and you know that's kind of what happened. You just can't generalize. You have to be specific, especially if you're talking about anybody, any race of people. You have to be specific on who exactly you're talking about.

It's talking about the music industry. Huge amount of attention been given to artificial intelligence now. Yeah. Clearly it has awesome power, not least to replicate how people like you would make music. What do you feel about that? I think it's terrible. I think it's going to make people. lazier, less creative.

Could you imagine if an actor, like if I decided not to do a sequel and the movie company said, we have the rights to your likeness, we're going to put you in the sequel whether you want to be or not, because we have the right to. So now they use AI to put Ice Cube in a movie,

I don't want to be in saying things, I don't want to say in doing things. I wouldn't do. So to me, that's terrible. Or taking an artist that's passed away and having them do a new song with lyrics that they may not agree with. It's just, you know, we're just,

it's a slippery slope that will hurt us more than it will help us. Is there a benefit that you can see? You could use AI to enhance what you do? I mean, we use, you know, automation here and there to help advance and make us sound better. But, you know, once you take the paintbrush out of the painter's hand, is it really a painting from him, you know? You turned down a $9 million movie role in 2021 because you wouldn't take the COVID vaccine as being mandated in Hollywood at the time. Any regrets? There's a lot of money. Not at all.

Not one regret. You know my thought when I heard that story? You must be even richer than I think you are. I mean, everybody can use $9 million. I don't care how rich they think they are. You know, everybody can use that money. I could have used that money. My family could have used that money.

But I felt like, you know, your health is worth more than all the money in the world. Because if you had all the money in the world and you wasn't healthy, you would use that money to get healthy. So to me, it was an experimental drug, and they had no time to really see the long-term effects. Like most, I'm vaccinated. I've been vaccinated when I was a kid, but these are drugs that have been tested for decades.

And, you know, pretty much most of the side effects are. I mean, ultimately, I felt about COVID vaccines that once it was established, against what they initially thought, that you could still transmit the virus, whether you were vaccinated or not. To me, it becomes a personal choice. Then it's down to you.

Yeah, without a doubt. And, you know, the pharmaceutical companies made a lot of money. Businesses closed. You know, it was a... It's like an incentive, even when things are not going right, to keep going.

It's kind of like the war machine. You know, if you make the bullets and the Band-Aids, you're going to always want to be in war because it's profitable. Have you worked out who you're going to vote for next year? No. It's what we would call in Britain

a Hobson's Choice. What's that mean? It means doesn't matter which way you go. You're going to get screwed. I mean, Joe Biden looks like you barely knows what day it is. Donald Trump might be in a prison cell. So if that's the choice, what does it say about America?

That, you know, America needs to re-examine where we are, where we're going, who we want to lead us, and what kind of country we actually want to be. You know, a lot of choices. You know, I've become independent in all this because I like to sit back and see, you know,

who's really going to be the best choice. Unfortunately, the choices are not. always top-notch, so to speak. Have you thought of running yourself? Oh, I would never run. There might be a vacancy now, can you? No. Seated the territory.

No, I don't want to be a politician. You know, they can king me. I'll be a king. Well, actually, I've always felt if it hadn't been for King George III being so useless, you could still have the monarchy here, and it could be King Peers. I mean, right? I think I could share the throne with you.

King Peers and King Cube. What do you hear? Hey, I think it's only room for one king, man. You know what I'm saying? Are you telling me to move aside, hey? All right, I'll seed monarchal power to King Cube. Thank you. Appreciate it.

Great to see you. Thank you very much. Good to see you always, Chris. Really good. Well, that's Cube's Big Three basketball tournament. We'll be live at the O2 in London. Miss August. You can watch a full interview on the Pierce Morgan on our censored YouTube page from right now.

Unsensor next, we're used to politicians kissing babies on the campaign. but not nibbling and sniffing them. We'll debate what on earth Joe Biden has been up to next. Welcome back to Pierce Morgan Natsens. Welcome to tonight. Stella Pat, Talk to your Vest to Greg and Lorraine. Adrian, hello. You need you.

Miss me? Of course. Look at those faces. Ever faces, smiled saying yes, but meant no. Those are the faces. I want to show a clip. This is President Biden, most powerful man in the world,

the leader of the free world. You know he always does weird stuff. these days, right? No. Look what he does to this baby, who he's never met. Have a look at this. Now, this was taken in Helsinki when he left the summit last week,

before he boarded Air Force One. But it's so weird, Esther. What man would do that to a baby he's never met? Yeah, I'm not, so I'm not usually, I usually give old people a pass, because they're older and you have to respect your elders. He's nibbling a strange baby. There is a bigger issue at hand here,

which is he just keeps making more and more gas. Everyone can see that he is becoming a bit senile. And, you know, the Democrats really need to take this conversation seriously. I agree. This man cannot run for, I don't even, I'm sorry, I don't think he'll be able to make it for the next general election. I mean, to the extent that he can still maintain his mental faculties to even do that. I really have done.

Honestly, and this is happening every week. Paula, it's embarrassing. Defend the man. I mean, this isn't about defending him. This is about queer, no, this is about querying why it's appropriate to criticize someone for being kind to a small human because that's what all he was doing. He was being kind. Let's have a look at these Hannibal Lecter impression again then.

Come on. Let's have another look at it. Please. I don't think kind is the word I'd use. He's literally nibbling a baby who looks shocked and traumatized. Look at a baby. He's trying. Oh, they look at her.

She's just terrified. I don't have a problem with that. But clearly the man is losing the ability to take on social. Well, that's the bigger issue here. He's been playful. No. That's fine. And we can see he's being playful because we've all been there where a small child is rejected.

No, I've never nibbled a strange baby. We can see the adults around. We're also finding it very funny. We haven't all been there. You want to focus on bringing the band down. I've never nibbled a strange baby. It's desperate. It would be if it's an isolation.

But if you take it in the context of him repeatedly falling over, tripping on Air Force One, falling off bikes, all the verbal gas which should have been relentless, even saying God's saying God's. saved the Queen the other day randomly nine months after he attended her funeral. It's a procession now, a verbal and physical gas. It's true. What we have is the press reporting a press press. We're seeing them!

I agree with you. What do you reporting them? I wonder why we have this focus. Is it because of his age? Is it because we think that you just cannot stand as a, as a, you cannot be taken seriously? It's not about his age. It's not about his age. Well, if it's not about his age, what is it?

Because I know people like Joan Collins are 10 years older and have a half, they seem half their age. The problem is not his age, it's his condition. He looks to me to be at a fairly advanced stage now of senility, and he's the man with his finger on the trigger. Okay, can we just, okay. And what do we get that information from that he looks? From my eyes and ears.

That's your own personal view. We're not being told by any... No, no, no. It's a view shared by most people. By the medics that surround him. Do you feel comfortable that if he wins the next election, he'd be there for another four years? which is six years from now.

If that's who the voters vote in, of course I'd be kind of thinking with that. Because I believe in democracy and that's what happens, Pears, when you're voted in. Even if he's totally gaga. But, peers, who is saying he's totally gaga? My eyes and ears. Because you don't agree with him.

I don't believe. By the way, she was a Republican, she'd be saying he totally gaga. Have you heard a medic say that he's senile? My dear. Have we heard that? All right, we've got to move on. We're going to talk about,

let's move on to another age story. there was a fantastic game at Wimbledon yesterday. Yes. Alcaraz taking down Jokovic. Or as somebody put it, I think it was a time today, the kid beats the goat, which I thought was great. And it was a fantastic game, obviously. But there was another talking point,

which was this guy, Sutherland, Brad Pitt. Oh, yes. Who looked unbelievably youthful, right? He is 60 in December. Yep. Right. And yet he doesn't look here, right? So we don't know why.

Maybe it's a wonder of something. Maybe it's natural, maybe it's not. Who knows, in Hollywood. But we thought we'd have a little game, which is Pitt, younger or older. We've had a few of those in the time. Well, no, I'm going to show you some pictures of people. And you've got to tell me whether

they're younger or older than Brad Pitt. Wow. Go on. I'm going to say younger, but definitely looks older. I think they're about the same age. Boris Johnson is only younger by six months than Brad Pitt. Next? Next. Nigel Farrow. He's definitely older.

Older, yeah. He's younger. than Pitt by three months. It's in the neck, really? Yeah, he's younger than Brad Pitt. He looks at about 20 years old, isn't he? Okay, next one. Governor Ron DeSantis.

I think he's younger. I think younger. He's younger by 16 years than Brad Pitt. Look at that. Yeah. Next one? Tom Cruise. I know he's older.

Same age, no. He's a year and a half older, Cruz than Brad Pitt. And now probably the most difficult one of all. Actually, That's a good question. Well, I mean, this is troubling me. No, you must be younger.

You have to be younger. Easy. I was going to say, he must be older than you. Yeah. Thank you, Paula. Yeah. Thank you, Paula. Thank you not.

I am younger by a year and three months, apparently, than Brad Pitt. I got to say, he looks good on it, Brad Pitt. I've only met Brad Pitt once, and it was at the Oscars. I was in the red carpet for CNN. And I shouted out, Brad. He arrived late with Angelina when they were still talking to each other. and I've just got a brilliant picture where somebody took

and his Brad just going, hey man, that's it. That's my Brad Pitt moment. Literally just said, hey man, but I remembered it and it was a moving moment. Let's talk about, well, not another man, let's talk about a pyramid of white supremacy. The Church of England has defended

teaching controversial race theories saying kids shouldn't wait until 18 to learn about racial justice. So teaching guidance issued by the diocese of St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich, is the white supremacy pyramid. At the bottom, racial indifference and jokes, and at the top is mass murder. The suggestion being that if you don't get a grip at your school,

early, Esther, you become rapidly a white supremacist mass murderer. Why has this been taught in our schools? Honestly, it's very baffling, and it's as if the church doesn't have, there aren't enough social ills to go around. They're not enough issues in society for the church to address. I grew up as an Anglican, and, you know, looking at many,

Anglican churches in sub-Saharan African, Asia in particular, looking at the Church of England and what they're doing to the religion is quite worrying. I mean, this is really a non-issue, and it has nothing to do with the Church of England. I don't understand why they need to choose politically charged topics to try and, I don't know, further the cause of God knows what. But this presumption, Paula, it's a bit like when they did the Gillette reboot when they ditch their, you know, man-supporting campaign

and basically made it out, if you don't do something, you're all going to be Harvey Weinstein. It's that. It's like, why go to these extremities? mass murderers if you don't deal with your critical race theory at school. It's nonsense. So I don't think it is that. So firstly, it's not nonsense. You've got 30 seconds to try to defend it.

Well, exactly. And it's not controversial. It's called critical race theory. Remember, this is something that was born out of academics. They were lawyers. They were discussing about justice and injustice within institutions, not about individuals. And it's the church attempting to teach about injustice. That's really important.

I don't understand why we're back about that. It's telling kids they're going to be mass murderers. I don't agree with you, and I don't agree with that's what they're being taught, peers. Got to leave you there. We'll come back to that issue, though. Good to see. Whatever you're up to, keep it uncensored. That's all for me tonight.

Good night. See you tomorrow.