Piers Morgan Uncensored - Piers Morgan Uncensored: Where is Liz Truss?

Episode Date: September 28, 2022

Stepping in for Piers, Jeremy Kyle looks at how the Bank of England have had to step in to stop economic catastrophe and asks: where is Liz Truss? Jeremy asks a panel if King Charles is above the law, as he questions Kevin Maguire after he speculates what King Charles could have possibly done with his alleged 'cash-for-honours'. Jeremy also looks at the BBC, asking if their newsreaders are too posh and if Strictly Come Dancing is prioritising inclusivity over entertainment. Watch Piers Morgan Uncensored at 8pm on TalkTV on Sky 526, Virgin Media 627, Freeview 237 and Freesat 217. Listen on DAB+ and app.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm Jeremy Carl on Pierce Morgan Uncensored and coming up on tonight's program. Missing in action with the Bank of England forced to step in to prevent economic catastrophe, we ask the simple question, where is our new Prime Minister as Tristanomics continues to crash the pound? With interest rates expected to peak as high as 6%, UK lenders are halting hundreds of mortgage deals, leaving first-time buyers stranded and thousands unable to afford their repayments. Is that a U-turn we see on the horizon? I wonder why. And has strictly come dancing

become the BBC's latest woke box ticking exercise. Tonight, some of its former stars and why it's clear the show now values inclusion over entertainment. Live from London, this is Piers Morgan Uncensored

with Jeremy Kyle. Good evening, my friends, from London, this is Piers Morgan Unsensored. I'm still Jeremy Carl back for two days only, not of course by popular demand, but because his lordship decided that he wanted to do that he wanted to go to Scotland and play golf.

Now, I had two options. I could follow him to Scotland, presumably, in a lorry, and search for his balls in Sigh High Rough in a rainy and windy Scottish golf course and end up looking like that idiot over there. Or I could sit here in a warm and dry studio and talk to you about things that frankly really matter. Hmm, what did I decide?

Yes. I wanted to ask you this tonight. What do you think the last few days have meant? We were promised, will we not, a tax-cutting mini-budget that would herald a new era for Britain. It's a new era, all right? Just one that none of us wanted or, frankly, even begin to understand. I, like you, thought things couldn't get any worse with this cost of living crisis. How wrong we were.

Trust and Quarteng have managed to create their own financial crisis, which is some achievement given they've only been 22 days in the job. Today, the spectator sums up the new PM and Chancellor quite nicely. Their incompetence would be laughable, they say, if it wasn't so serious. Today, the Bank of England had to step into calm markets. that haven't been this volatile since the financial crisis of 2008. We hear the pound has tumbled to an all-time low against the dollar. But you know what?

It would be easy to make it all about markets, wouldn't it, in economics and bankers. For me, let's talk about the impact on you. Have you got a mortgage? Do you know that your repayments could go up by more than 300 quid a month on a 200,000-pound mortgage? Maybe you're renting because you can't afford to get on the ladder. Payments will then rise as well, because landlords will struggle to absorb sky-home mortgage costs.

Add into that pensions, petrol, food, energy, everything, right? Nobody, it seems, will be immune from this almighty cock-up. Tory MPs, we hear, already, after 22 days, putting in letters of no confidence in trusts, and who can blame them? And best of all, Labour rubbing their hands with glee. If they had planned this, they couldn't have done a better job themselves. From what we hear, they could march to power quietly, right,

without even saying anything. But whatever happens, my friends, one thing is for sure. It will be you, it will be me. It will be all of us who will be paying the price. So we're going to start tonight, it's the first time in a while. It's a warm welcome to Jez's Journors, my good friend. It says here, talk TV legend, Richard Tice, Richard Good evening. Political commentator Marina Perkins, 12 days from giving birth, but still proving she is desperate to be with me.

And the Daily Mirror's Associate editor, Kevin Maguire. In a while, how are we? Very well, very well. Are you all right? I'm absolutely fine. 12 days. We're airing to go. The boys and I are quite worried.

Can you imagine if this happened live on... No sudden movements. No sudden movements. Let's start with Liz Truss, if we can, Marina. Where is she? She tweeted five minutes ago, by the way. Congratulations to Georgia Maloney on her party's success in the Italian elections.

What about the disaster that's befallen the United Kingdom? It's good to know that, though. Yeah. So Georgia's not a friend. The jury's not out for Georgia. No. That even though there are, you know, Mussolini sort of tendencies. Well, lovely.

Let's talk Italian politics. Let's just say that in 22 days, and I, to be perfectly honest, was quite vocal about, you know, Sunat would never be trusted by the Tory faithful because he was deemed as the person that knifeed Boris Johnson. What has gone on? She's absolutely fluffed it. 22 days in, and I don't know how she could have actually done any worse. We are basically living in the petri dish of what is sort of think tank dreamers dream. So you've got to bear in mind, all of the people that have got Liz Trusses here at the moment

They come from these dodgily funded think tanks, like the Institute of Economic Affairs, for example. Got somebody on from that later? Oh, well, just maybe ask them about their funding, because that's an interesting question. Well, you stay around. You can tell you that for me, because they're not going to shout at a pregnant woman, are they?

They might do. Richard. I mean, honestly, it's extraordinary. It's an utter catastrophe. And, of course, it's a double whammy that people forget because on Wednesday they announced they had to have an energy price freeze. They did it completely the wrong way.

ignored my sound advice. So they've essentially put another 100 to 150 billion quid on the taxpayer, and that's going to last six to nine months. The market knows that. Putin's gas taps are turned off. That's now being sabotaged. So that's going to make that worse. And then they cut the wrong taxes. It's right to go for growth. It's right to cut taxes for the lowest paid, the lease will off, and for small businesses. They've done the opposite. It's an absolute catastrophe. The markets have realized it. It's hard to know where it goes from here, but it's incredibly, incredibly bad. And what's happened today is the Bank of England

has to step in and buy bonds because the pension markets are in absolute meltdown through very complex reasons. Kevin, been a while, great to see you, pal. Just back from the Labour Party conference, it seems, as I said, an introduction, the Tories have messed this up so magnificently that Labour could literally,

I mean, at the latest opinion poll 17 points in fact, could just walk, quietly to power without saying anything. They can't believe their luck. In truth, for Labor to win, the Tories, the Conservatives, the government has to do badly, and it is just screwed up massively. And a strong,

confident leader will be out now explaining what they did, trying to reassure the markets. But Liz Truss is probably locked in her bedroom with the curtains closed, just hiding away. It's absolutely incredible. She is not out fronting this crisis. And, you know, we had

all the borough stuff, right? A senior Tory said today. I thought the Boris Johnson's government was a catastrophe. The first 22 days are the worst ever. This is just in from the government. The government is preparing plans for major cost cutting across all departments to help balance the budget. I thought we were going to buy, I thought we were going to spend billions more on the armed forces. But if they'd said that on Friday, the markets would actually have understood it. And look, there's loads of waste for government spending that should be cut. That's the way. Look, every household is look at the budget to say, I need to save $5.00.

If the government did the same to every manager of every department, you save 50 billion quid. I'm sorry, Richard, we're about to have this bonfire of EU regulations. Excellent. Good news. I know you're a fan, but what do you think that's going to do for Whitehall resource? Do you think that's really the time that we need to cut it back? It means we can get rid of a load of unnecessary civil servants because they've got less regulations to monitor. Do you understand what's going to happen? Exactly.

The change you, you're going to trigger. That's how you do. Can I ask you all a question, right? And treat me like the idiot I am. Start with you, Kev, right? So the basis. of what they did last week was to infuse, be it bankers or successful business people, in the major financial cities of this country,

to come here, make money, and that would trickle down. Not something that was going to happen overnight, right? What they did was they cut tax on anybody owning over, I think, was 155 grand. Did nobody go, on a serious note, and I suppose, you know, in the past you'd say, is he a conservative, probably? Did nobody go, hold on a minute, the people, the jams, the just about managing, those people who are really, really struggling. How in the name of God are these people

in the middle of a crisis that they can't afford to pay almost anything? How are they going to react to the fact that the richest are getting tax cuts and we're not? I don't get that. Yeah, no, it's political suicide undoubtedly. They did not think it through, but it's driven by dogma. They want, and actually this is where Brexit

was always intended to lead for them, to reduce the size of the state, to have lots of deregulation and cut tax on the very richest. Well, you do that. People are going to say it's fundamentally unfair. But the way they did it, they're increasing spending, reducing taxes. The sums don't add up.

It's not a magic money tree. It's a whole forest of them that have given a shake. So you can see why the rest of the world is saying, this is crazy. The reason I agree with them, and you surprised I'm saying that is, you can't expect the majority of working class people on people on lower wages to understand a government that says we're cutting the... God, I sound like a sociist. Cutting the taxes of the riches.

It is suicide. And I agree with the... It's ridiculous. It's worse than that because the personal tax thresholds at 12.5 grand are frozen. You've got give or take 10% inflation. So it's worse. The poorer are getting poorer. The low pay are getting less well off.

And the rich are getting rich. I mean, it is political suicide. Also, this is all being done in the name of growth, right, and stimulating the economy. What do you think? So, for example, I've got people in my family that get going to benefit from this cut. They aren't going to go and spend it in the economy. It's going to go in their savings account. So it's pointless.

Which will be all right with the interest rates. Graham Brady, allegedly today, already receiving letters of no confidence. Boris Johnson must be sitting wherever he sat, thinking... Ha ha ha! I mean, honestly, really? Strong and stable. What are we going to be on now as well? So quasi-quarteng is apparently toast.

That's what a Tory minister has been saying. So that's going to be our fifth Chancellor of the Exchequerque. Does Sunat get the job? Do you know, he's been fairly accurate about... He's not going to the conference. Remember, he warned that it was fantasy economics. Michael Gove said, you're taking a holiday. day from reality.

This is Narnia. We are in Narnia. We could talk about this tonight. Final word, because I want to talk about... They could have got away with it if they'd cut taxes at the lowest end, but they haven't indicated cutting spending. They've come into that. I don't know where it goes, Jeremy, but it's bad. I quite agree.

I saw something on television this morning. It ripped my head to bits. David Norris, the man, one half of two violent criminals who killed Stephen Lawrence, taking a selfie in his prison cell. Xbox, Gold Watch, mobile phone. What is wrong with this country? What is the criminal justice system should be completely reformed?

Why is he allowed to do that? He murdered somebody. It's truly sickening. It's appalling. How does it happen with no idea? How do they get this stuff into prisons? Is it corruption? Is it incompetence?

But apparently he's up for parole in 2006, I think it is. Hopefully that gets completely scrapped. And, yeah, as you say, I mean, there's something fundamentally wrong with our justice system when people like that can behave in the way that they have them. He's not allowed to have the phone, but he's somehow got it. Now they can be snuggled in. Laughing letters, Kev.

Well, yeah. Well, I think of poor Doreen Lawrence, his son was murdered. And there is this guy taking selfies, sending up his mate, saying, I'll be out in two. He should not be out in two. He even said he hasn't lost a wink of sleep or something along those lines. I wouldn't lay him out at all. Amal Rajan research for documentary,

our BBC newsread is too posh. found that 70% of news readers across the BBC ITV Channel 4 and Sky News speak with posh, received pronounced the ocean, the posh's accent, compared with 10% of the rest of the population. Let's have a look at this. Good evening and welcome to the BBC News at 6. This is BBC News with the latest headlines. Good evening and welcome to the BBC News at 6. This is BBC News. These are the latest headlines in the UK and around the world.

Good evening and welcome to the BBC News at 6. And this is Talk TV, me old. Really? Richard, have you got a job? Coaxing all these people? It's ridiculous. But the most ridiculous thing is that they've got enough time and money

and resources to waste time on research. No one cares. They shouldn't be wasting their money on this really. I think it's because people in this country are deferential to people with posh accents and they believe them. Look at the stuff that he comes out with

and people believe him because he's got a posh accent. You've got a posh accent. Are you joking? I'm working class. Are you joking? I'm working. This is my telephone voice.

Your telephone has some visual voice. Do you mean you're afraid? But look. Oh! The BBC, in particular, should reflect the country. That pays the license fee. Pays the licence fee. We should have Brummies on.

We should have Jordy's on. What I'd like? Welcome to the news. Well, I'd rather hear that than a load of poshies. It's true. The BBC, listen, I'll bash the BBC every single day. I think you're quite right. Let's sum it up.

They get their money without having to justify it with audience figures. or anything at all, and frankly, at the end of the day, you're right. We're spending hundreds of thousands of pounds and doing research into apparently the fact that people shouldn't be so posh. Hang on, it costs next to nothing. But you've got to know who you're recruiting to therefore broaden it out.

If you're getting too many of the wrong, I try telling that's the RRAF. It's a massive value for money if you consider what you get from the BBC. Are you joking? Rubbish, man. Well, I want the choice. BBC British bloated before I wait. Do I sound bitter and twisted? More from all of all of the people.

I'm going to attempt to do this link as a BBC person. Coming up tonight, my friends, has the housing market to become the latest victim of Trussonomics and is the king above the law? What's wrong with me? A Scotland Yard steps up as investigation to the cash for honoured scandal embroiling our new king.

Will the police question the monitor? We're coming right back in three. Don't go anywhere. Welcome back, my friends now. With the Prime Minister and the Chancellor, frankly missing in action and the UK economy and life support, the Bank of England of today stepped into calm fears.

But spare a thought for those trying to get a mortgage as the housing market becomes, frankly, the latest victim of trust anomics. Now, looking at this, right, interest rates could peak as high as 6% this time next year, and that will, in real terms, add hundreds of pounds to monthly mortgage repayment. Now, at the same time, nearly 400,000 households will be coming to the end of their fixed-rate mortgages. And if you're a first-time buyer trying to get on this property ladder, it's going to become virtually impossible to find a mortgage, as a growing list of banks and building societies pull products from the market. Now, joining me now to try and make sense of what is frankly chaotic,

is estate agent Tobias Alexander Rose, and the chief operating officer of the Institute of Economic Affairs, Andy Mayer, and Marina Perkis is still with us. Hi, God, here. Good evening, people. Marina is still here. Andy, I'll start with you. You're from the Institute of Economic Affairs, a right-wing think tank that presumably supports what can only be described as a political... Well, somebody said, a political suicide.

What the heck is going on, man? I don't understand it. In real terms, can I just make it very simple, right? You're letting people have more money off tax, and you're not looking after the people who are struggling in a cost of living crisis, and I would probably be a small conservative. Can you explain to me how you expect the British public to swallow that pill? Because I don't understand.

So, a few errors there. The IA's free market, which includes views on the left and the right. Right. But you support this government policy, right? Not the entirety of it, no. The first thing that happened with this government package was the energy price guarantee. And we immediately issued a strong note of concern

that this was unfunded borrowing. But you support the tax cuts? So we support two things in the budget. One is cutting taxes, not necessarily all of the individual taxes and the way they've been done, but also the supply-side reforms, which, to be clear, is really important stuff

like reducing planning regulations that are stopping young people going on the house. Do you support the 45% tax cut? In terms of it being on its own, no. In terms of it being bringing the tax level back down to where Labor had it for the entirety of their time in office bar the last year, it's not an unreasonable thing to do, but the timing of it seems to be misjudged. When you say it's not an unreasonable thing to do,

and Marina will take a breath because she's 12 days from giving birth, and I'm slightly worried about the whole thing. Do you imagine that what I would call normal working, people, people who are struggling to put food on the table when they've paid all the bills, they're not on universal credit, they're not on benefits, they're jams, just about managing, right? Do you honestly imagine that they are going to look at this and think this government gives a damn about us? Because I understand about let the money trickle down. But short term, this is the point, Andy, I don't think people get. People are really struggling, and they don't

think this government has got a clue. So one thing the government could have done, which we thought they were going to do, but they didn't, was cut VAT, which would have helped a lot more people. Another thing they could have done was reverses freeze and allowances that Rishi Sunat bought in, which then have helped everybody. The income tax cut does help most people, particularly those on lower incomes. The changes to national insurance, as in not raising them, that should help more people as well. So the distribution impact has been exaggerated by the one big mistake they made on the 45P rate. But across the board, they were trying to do that, and we would expect, to see more of that in the November 23rd statement.

If people get to November, Tobias, you're an estate agent. Just explain in real terms, I was saying it earlier. How difficult you're seeing in that introduction all these mortgage companies that are pulling mortgages, buy to let gone, first-time buyers, almost impossible. How difficult is it now for people to get on that property ladder? The thing is, the thing that's unfortunate is that you've obviously got the stamp duty cuts, right?

So that's to incentivise more people to the market, but nobody can get mortgages, right? And so what is going to make that difficult is that that's now going to filter down to the tenants. These varying mortgage rates are going to be passed on to the tenants from the landlords and make their lives difficult. So people that are trying to get onto the market are going to be faced with difficulties. They were given an advantage with the stamp duty cuts, but almost a double-edged sword with the mortgage rates. So it's now increasingly more difficult for locals to be able to purchase. I mean, we've seen how the pound is faring against the euro and the dollar.

So this is going to incentivise overseas property bias to come in. It's not going to be fair for people that are based here. Marina, we probably disagree politically in the past, but I'm so wound up about what seems to be badly thought. I find myself 22 days in thinking whether this lady is up to being the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. She's absolutely not. And what we've seen with this trust is she is basically the puppet to puppet masters. And at the moment, she is, if you look at the people she's installing in her government, who are ERG,

who are all these people that are linked to, these think tax like yours, and there have been, am I wrong, there have been question marks over your funding and the motivations behind your philosophies. This is who Liz Truss is now listening to, and this is sadly where we are ending up. Are you a puppet master? No, so the people who fund us are free marketers. I mean, people who support free market ideas, fund free market things. Are there not links to fossil fuel industries? There are links between large corporations and think tanks across the spectrum.

In fact, I used to fund think tanks, including left-wing think tanks when I was in the sector. Why might a fossil fuel fund the IEA? What are they expecting in return? When I used to fund the IPPR, which is effectively the counterpoint to the IA on the centre-left, what we used to do is... I'm not talking about what you're doing now, the IA, which is the ones for the massive question mark over it. I'm sure you don't want to talk about how think tanks actually works.

No, because I know there are some really good ones, and those are the ones that are very clear and transparent about their funding. The IEA has been called opaque in its funding because of its links. And it's very suspicious. And the fact is, you are very much small. But you just told me you know who funds us and now you're saying we're opaque. But it's got to be one or the other. There are links.

Do you think your advice from the IA, or part of your advice, because you said there are only certain things you agree with, do you understand the damage that that top rate tax cut is going to make to people's lives? This government's success is going to be based on this. There are many people saying the Tories have blown it after 12 years and Labour is quietly marching to power. That's what we want to know. Rather than you say, we didn't say that, we didn't say.

A lot of you believe that these tax cuts, they are not helping the people who need it. That's my problem, Andy. Do you agree with me there? So I agree with you to the extent that the government has made a complete hash of the communication of what they're trying to do. So it doesn't harm people to cut taxes. So you agree with the substance?

Do you think they didn't describe it very well? It doesn't harm people to cut taxes, Jeremy. harms people if the government hasn't done enough to help people across the board. How would you have helped people across the board then? I think I mentioned two ways earlier. One was we've been lifting the allowances, which have helped everybody, and the other would have been cutting VAT. Tobias, what does, sorry, very quickly a minute.

Tobias, what does the estate agency business, the housing market? What does it need from this government? It needs people looked after. You know, everything is increasing, mortgage rates, the cost of living, rents. You're going to find a lot of people that are having to shack up together, They're moving back home. They're not going to be able to afford their rents. They're saying that house prices could drop by 10% in a year.

This is something that's being speculated, you know. I actually don't want to sit here every night and think, oh my God, oh my God. But it was hard enough during the summer, talking about the cost of living crisis. This is getting worse, isn't it? It is getting worse. And if you look now at the amount of money that we're borrowing

and the cost of borrowing, what it looks like, and we're going to hear about this in eight weeks because the government have been forced into revealing how they're going to fund all this borrowing. It's going to come from welfare cutbacks, and it's going to come from cuts to services like the NHS. Can you believe that is what we're going to be doing at this time when we should be investing?

And again, Andy, am I wrong? This is part of your philosophy, the IAA. It is all about small state. It's all about not putting money into the services, not putting money into welfare. So this is like your dream come true. So on the health service, for example, which is the main example of the biggest areas of public spending,

the view of the free marketeers is not that you put less money into health. People put more of their own money into health. There's a mixed service like you have across the whole of continental Europe. not the US system, which is far less equitable. Do you think this is the end of the Tory government? I don't know. I mean, it's very early days. It's clearly an enormous blow to their morale to have this number of crises impact them so soon into the new administration.

But it is part of a two-year period. So who knows what it's going to be like in two years' time? I mean, you can say one thing about her. I thought she might spend two years buttering up to the British electorate in the attempt to get re-elected. I would think in 22 days she's managed to turn most people. against her. I sit here thinking Boris Johnson didn't do such a bad job, did he?

She's laughing now. Boris Johnson obviously didn't lose his position as a result of the economic circumstances. He lost it as a result of the personal decisions he took during the pandemic. And that's an entirely different matter. But the big issue in the Tory leadership election was Rishi Sunak saying, I'm going to raise taxes

versus this trust saying I'm going to cut them and that's what she's done. That was a decision that was taken. You need the government to help for your industry marina do you think there's any way back for the tourists just to finish quickly i really don't think so i really hope not i think people are starting to see them for what they are which is they're basically now cabal they have become more and more incompetent and we are just left with this little cesspit of talentless people who are just protecting the interest of the nought point 0.01% and people are seeing through it now something must be happening to me i

might be agreeing with you thank you all very much indeed andy tobias marina thank you for coming up next after two men were arrested as part of a cash for honest scandal involving our new king we ask, is he above the law? And has strictly come dancing become a massive tick-boxing, but I can't say that. I tried all day. Tick-boxing exercise. It's very difficult that.

The BBC, don't get excited. You're out of the baby. I'll be debating if it has become so woke, it's unwatchable. Next on Piers Morgan Unsensored. We're coming right back. Welcome back to Piers Morgan Unsensored. I'm Jeremy Carle. Now, as King Charles takes up his new role,

new details are coming to light about his managerial style as Prince of Wales. Apparently, we read today he's a tough boss with a proper temper and would phone staff at odd hours to perform tasks such as sourcing an orchid that tickled his fancy. And of course, we all saw his angry side over Pengate. Oh, God, I hate it. It's scary to have to by him. It's a little bit of all.

Happens every stinking time. But it gets worse. With two men being questioned under caution by. by officers investigating cash for honours allegations linked to Kings Charles Charity, the Prince's Foundation. It's not looking great for the monarch in his first few weeks on the job. Joining me now to discuss this is Talk TV legend, Kevin O'Sullivan. The Queen Elizabeth's formed press secretary, good friend of mine, Dickie Arbiter,

and Daily Mirror Associate editor, Kevin Maguire. Let's start with you, Dickie, if we can. I thought you would. You would say, so he's got a temper. Georgia 5th had a temper. Georgia 6th had a temper. The Queen had a temper. But Charles has got a temper,

William's got a... They've all got a temper. But did any of them ever take money in a plastic bag from Saudi Arabia? But come on the money. You know I'm a royalist, but it isn't a good look for a monarch to accept in... And, you know, that story is relevant, isn't it?

Yeah. But according to the charity commissioners, he did nothing wrong. They're all collecting money. All the charities are collecting money. Rattling tins in the street. They're collecting tens of thousands. It's cash.

Okay. Excuse me. So he got a bag of money. He didn't do anything wrong. You know these two people they've questioned Dickie? Would one of them be Forcett, do we think? Probably. The former right-hand man.

Is Forcett... I mean, we don't know if that's true. That's an alleged comment, of course. But here's the thing that I find quite interesting. Forcet and he were inseparable. Is Forcet going to keep quiet out of loyalty? Or is he going to spill his guts, do you think? Because he's been thrown out royally.

Well, he has been thrown out. He was forced to resign because he was involved in the Cash Marauders scandal. I mean, how he got this. in the first place, because he's not in a position to offer honours. Only the government can issue honours in certain quarters. On the other hand, the Queen is used to issue honours, which the king can now do. But it has to be on the recommendation of the sovereign. Do you think that, Kevin, that Charles's judgment has been called into doubt because of force it,

because of, you know, money in bags? Or do you think this is just the people who are anti the monarchy, the Republican arms, of the United Kingdom will do anything. McGuire, we'll do anything to get rid of them out. Bear in mind just how amazingly popular the monarchy is after the last couple of weeks. Well, the Queen was. We'll see whether part of the monarchy died with her

and if he is as popular. But he was shaking the charity tin for the rich because he was living in some of the properties that were being done up with his cash. The money in the bag... The bag was the Qataris. The Saudi is alleged to have been offered help. to get an honour and citizenship and other favours

and had a forest named after him at the castle of May in gratitude by Prince Charles. This is not good, and it's why I think the whole hereditary principle and the succession being immediate, this couldn't be investigated and scrutinised before he got the job. Anybody else go for a job in public life? This was hanging over you. These allegations are made.

You would be put on hold. You would not be confirmed in your post until it was cleared up. And there he is. He's sitting tight now. He's got the top job. And the police are investigating his business dealings through that child. They did say at the time that he personally had done nothing wrong. Kev Mark 2. Is this is... I mean, you're a royalist like me. Is it bad judgment? Is it the Republicans stirring up a hornet's nest? How did you see it? I think that Prince Charles, as he was then, showed appalling judgment a serial number of times.

These sacks full of cash, as Dickie quite rightly says, not criminal, but a tax. terrible, terrible look. The cash for honours, he should never have been involved in that. He's got himself into some serious scrapes and the police may well have to interview the monarch of this land. How does that work? That is bad. However, I wish him well. I hope he can control his temper. And he needs, I don't like his ideas about a smaller monarchy. I don't like his ideas about a meagre little coronation. We want majesty from the royal family. We want the kind of spectacle we saw. at the funeral. We want that for the coronation. So I'm not sure he has the right ideas, but I wish him well.

But one of his staff was involved with cash for honours. He personally wasn't involved. Forcett, if it was him, was not in a position to offer honours. But then you have, Dickie, and I agree with you. But then, I'm bringing you back to my favourite subject, Boris Johnson had to go, but it was all the people in Downing Street. Why did he have to go then? Does the main man not have to take responsibility, I guess, is the question.

The main man only takes responsibility if he knows that that is what his... person he's doing. Look, I worked for him for five years. I didn't tell him everything I was doing. I was told to get on with a job and I got on with a job. If I needed to know something, then I would phone him. But Cash for Honours, that was a rogue employee, going off on his own. Allegedly. Michael Forcett is right-hand man. Bad judgment to have him as his right-hand man then. But interestingly, Michael Forcett, Dickie, has had to resign three times. Now, there's the argument If Charles, and apparently, I don't know, you'd know more than me.

Apparently it was Camilla who said, you are going to ruin your coronation and everything that's going to happen unless you get rid of this bloke, because this is the third time. They're in, and we're both stories, that isn't great judgment. The first two times he was fired. Oh, was he? He was fired within the household. How did he get back then?

He got back because he was out of the household. He was running the charities. The man who knew too much, yeah? Yeah. You must admit, Dick, that was bad judgment for pretty. to have this guy back in the phone. What a family. What a family.

You have Andrew who pays £12 million to keep a sex case out of court. You got Harry making all sorts of accusations with his wife that they're racist and pretty deplorable. And now you've got Charles. Don't get me started on her, though. Now you've got Charles, who, through his foundation, has a police investigation. I must say, when I read this, and Dickie knows this,

the old man worked for the royal family, 41 years. I'm a royalist. The last thing the old man ever said to me was, that he didn't say that. He said, I fear that the monarchy will never be the same after the queen. The queen transcended, I said this the other day. She transcended, I think, almost every part of this country, religion, colour, creed, background, social class,

because she was this stoic, unbelievable. You said, Dickie, very honestly, she had a temper. I never saw her in 70. Well, I wasn't been lying. I've never seen her on day three. Of course, it's a stupid pen. she was this amazing woman. She admitted, did she not?

She made one mistake, the Abafan thing in Wales. But actually, the monarchy has changed, hasn't it? We know more than we ever did before, don't we? Well, yes. I mean, this is Charles' predicament. I mean, he's had to live his whole life in the spotlight. The royal family have had to adapt to the media. And, funny enough, I think the Queen was much better

at adapting to this new media-controlled world than Prince Charles and King Charles. now. There is this sort of aspect to King Charles that he's like a figure from the past. You know, a very regal character who snaps at his staff and gets annoyed with pens.

You know, get that pen sorted out for me. There's something anachronistic about him, and he's got to raise his game in that respect. But as I keep saying, I wish him well. And I do think he's a decent man. All of the problems he's got into with these sacks of cash. He was just trying to raise money for charity.

But bad... Well, he was. It was his charity. What do you think what's doing? Taking it for himself. Renovate. It wasn't taking it for himself. Renovating buildings he missed it.

But it wasn't taking it. That's where some of the money went. It wasn't for himself. It was for the prince's truck. You know that as well as I do. It wasn't for himself. Did he renovate any buildings without cash? No.

Yes, he did. That's why he's got a forest. The Saudi guy's got a forest named at the Castle of May. You're making allegations that he is renovated buildings that he lived in. His buildings. It was, if you're really posh and you've got a load of money and you can tap people up. You can have foundations and you can say

this building is in a foundation. Most of us just buy our homes and we own them and that is it. Not anymore with a mortgage rate. That's rather true. You'll be protected. We can't sell our houses. We can't buy our house. We can't rent anywhere. I think Jeremy you'll find that he's protected from all that. Why are you so anti the monarchy?

He's always been anti. He doesn't. He doesn't even pay inheritance tax. Hold on a second. When you saw the outpouring of grief, when you saw the British public do what they did, right? Yeah. Does that not make you think that the British public support the monarchy? Serious question? They supported the Queen, certainly, unquestionably, because they...

She watched the funeral? They could... No, I didn't. I sort of caught the end of it in St. George's chapel. But I thought the queue was impressive and people wanted to pay their... When he arrived... And I'm a respectful republic again, so I wasn't going to kick off. When he arrived at Buckingham Palace, first time, there was applause for him, there was cheers for him. He went in on a walkabout.

A woman pulled him forward to give him. a kiss on the cheek. No protection officer pulled her away. The people enjoyed it. He stopped his car the following day in the mouth. Didn't imprompt you walk about. The people who went... He hit the ground running. The people who went over... Are he supporters? It's like saying... Oh, no. You can't say, Kevin. A footballer will be praised. You cannot say, Kevin, that the initial signs aren't that the public support King Charles,

because they just do. And he's played a blinder ever since he took over. That's what's the street. Evolving the people, as you said. It's very interesting. Listen, look, any monarch nowadays, I suspect you're right, the accountability and the scrutiny is far greater than the Queen.

I don't think anybody will ever follow the Queen. They won't. It's like trying to follow. This is a ridiculous analogy. Forgive me. How do you follow Sir Alex Ferguson at Manchester United? It's just not possible, was it?

I think the Queen transcended everything. And give Charles a chance. I think that's what we're saying. Agreed. Fantastic. Thank you, gentlemen. Right. Next tonight is a question for you. Strictly Come Dancing becomes so woke, it's unwatchable. I'll debating that, whether that show is all about inclusion

and no more is it about entertainment. We're coming right back in three, don't go anywhere. Welcome back, my friend, so strictly come dancing was once the staple of Saturday Night TV with over 10 million people tuning in every week, but there are now claims that it's become a box ticking exercise. I said it, and it's become so woke, it's unwatchable. From having same-sex couples with absolutely zero chemistry

to Paralympic champion Ellie Simmons, has knocked down barriers the whole life. But how will the show's first contestant with dwarfs and be able to perform dances like the tango and the waltz when a dance partner is twice the size? And look what they've done to Craig Revel Hallwood. The judge fame for tearing celebrities to pieces for a single misstep has suddenly gone really soft.

Watch this disappointing. Your upper body needs work and you also... Well, all the steps were sort of there sometimes, but they need to be danced with a little... bit more ease. And I think that's what Shirley means, you know, with the breathing. But I think you did a really, really great job. Thank you. Oh, God, he's gone beige as well, right? Joining me as former strictly professional dancer, AJ Pritchard.

Apparently, he's older than his brother Curtis, who dances the Irish version of the show. And talk TV Leshen, Kev, who's obsessed with Strickley. Oh, I love Strictly. Right, let's start with an admission, and I don't want anybody to think badly of me. I've never seen one. I feel badly. Why? Now, because it's an awesome show.

It's so... It's a core... No, he's a serial semi-finalist, to be fair. But it's a core programme for the British community. Everybody loves it, and it's across the world now. It's franchised over to 50 different countries now. So you were on the English one, right? Yes.

And you weren't? I was on the Irish version. So that's not as good as the English one, is it? It's a smaller base watching it, so you could say that in viewing figures to... Keb, has it gone woke? Well, I used to have to watch strictly every week because in another life I was a TV critic. You used to have to watch.

You have to. No, you had to. I was my job. You didn't have a little bit of enjoyment in there. The point is, I respect the fact it was a great show that millions of people absolutely love. And the BBC have turned it into a sort of woke fest with single sex couples. We've got Ellie now with dwarfism. They're very proud of that. Now, that's fine.

BBC want to do that? Fine. I don't know. But they should ask themselves, is that what the audience want? Because in my day, when I used to have to watch it, the launch show would get 50. This launch show just now got just over 6 million. See, it's not because... So the audience seem to be saying no.

Here's the question. Here's the question, and I will bash the BBC every single day in my life. Here's what I'm going to say to you. What he's trying to say is this. Have they taken a programme that appealed to everybody across every social barrier, right? And gone, oh, it's really important. We don't upset them and we promote this and promote this and promote it. Are the BBC doing what the BBC are great at in telling us all what we should?

think on what's right and what's wrong, rather than just letting us watch a program. I think you hit the nail on the head. You said they're proud of it. They're proud to show the diversity. They're proud to be inclusive. I think that's a really positive thing this day. It is. Because if they didn't do that at the end of day, I think more.

We wouldn't be happy. The popularity has dropped because they're getting rid of the core pros. No, they're not. The popularity is dropped because people are watching talk. Yeah, but the core pros have gone and they had the biggest fan base. They became bigger than the celebrities on there. a problem with the recognition factor of the celebrities in this series. I mean, I haven't heard of hardly any of them,

so there's a problem with that. I take your point about the pro dancers. We've lost a lot of the famous ones there. But Alison Pearson got it right. She said, you know, that she still sort of enjoys the show, but she dates back to when it wasn't like this. And she said that watching strictly now... Oh, somebody's...

Sorry, I do apologise. That's really embarrassing. Always have you first. Very professional. But the things with screen, it's a format. They've never asked me. Spandex me, I don't think so. I think you would bring more of the viewers back, that's for sure.

It's a format that people know. We're British, we like, and we know what we like. They sit down and watch TV because they know what they're going to get. It's brilliant. But this is different to what they used to get, and it's getting smaller audiences, much smaller audiences. Why? Alison Pearson, Alison Pearson in the Telegraph put it perfectly.

She said, it's like being smashed over the head. with a woke mallet. And the question is, I have no problem. Good luck to the same-sex couples. Really good luck to Ellie. And good luck to the BBC, if that's what they want to do. But there's an old phrase, go woke and you go broke. If you go.

It's the change of the dancers. They need to keep the dances traditional. This is what they need to do. We love boring and Latin dances. Strictly come dancing is boring in Britain. That's what we stand for. Waltz, Fungoft, Vini's Waltz, Quicks Step. Char, Samba, Rumba, Paso, Jai.

Traditional dance is what we love. We've added in strict dance, all of these other things. And I think this is what the core audience don't like about it, not because that this is like McDonald's the show is, it's a perfect recipe. They don't need to change it. They can change the burgers. It's a fair. But with respect, that is exactly what he's saying. They can change. They have taken, they have taken something that's worked as long as it's worked for. Are they now trying to make it?

It still continues to work. Politically correct. It's not not working. The viewing audience, you can't say it. The audience is significantly smaller. Everything is not working numerically. My Instagram is not working numerically. When you put so much content out of there, so many streaming services, so many different new TV shows, you're going to spread it across other people. Like, it's not going to be exactly the same. At the end of the day, it's an audience that builds throughout the year. When it gets to Blackpool, when it gets to the final,

you're going to have that audience who can back around. The winter's coming in. It's setting in. You never get an awesome, like, ratings straight away. These shows build because you find people that you start to enjoy. You don't know some of the people on there. You've quite clearly said that. But people want to know people, want to intrigue.

They enjoy the process. They'd be nice if they knew them in the first place. supposed to be a celebrity. I agree with you there on one point, but definitely you don't know everybody. We all come from different backgrounds. We have different interests. We watch different TV shows. So why not bring it all together? What about the other point? The point is we're going around in circles. The point is, why take a product that works? Why take a product that appeals across the board and try and tick all the boxes that nowadays every single damn TV station and channels seem to do to make things appeal to everybody and end up missing the point,

end up missing what you achieved at the first point, which is appealing. The great thing is dance is, whether you're male, female, female, female, however you dance together, if it's man, man, woman, woman, or whatever it is. Dance is a follower and a leader. It doesn't so much matter about that. So let me get back to the beginning because I know where you're, you're on that celebrity S-A-S thing. Yes. I've watched that. You've got Sen-Oam. Yes. So how's career going? Any more acting? Kurt loves the acting.

You know what? I actually love the acting from her. I know I had a little bit of a bad experience on Holly Oaks and stuff, but I fell in love with it and I've continued doing it. You're off on one day. Hello?

It is. You're the Holy Oaks director? I'll be back again. I have to say, have we got that clip? I mean, I love these boys. This is, if you are at home dreaming of making it on television and an acting capacity,

please watch this closely and never follow it. Watch. If we're going down there you are. What are you doing? Trish's little black book. Everything we need to star on dance school. She's finished.

How did you get it? I have my moves. Kev critique it now. Don't say a word, boys. Please, please, please. Leave me, Kev, come on. Uh, uh, he's gobsmacked. We've taken it at the words out of his mouth.

Taking to a new low. Let's go back to ratings. GCSE drama. Hold on, defend it. Over 100 million times of Kurtz in India. Like, it went viral. Yeah, it went viral. They've never had so much.

But not a good, I didn't say that. Any press is good press, you like to say it. What do you make of your acting ability? Do you imagine the Hollywood film Beckons after SAS? Did you win SAS? Well, you're going to have to watch SSA. He said something that's quite interesting. My brother is the serial semi-finalist.

Oh. But the one thing, coming back to strictly, that I do have to say, the viewing audience, they're going to vote for who they want to stay in. At the end of the end of they, we'll see who they want to win, and that's really important. I'll tell you, and I'll tell you he's going to, Ellie, she will win. I think that... And the audience will not be as big as previous.

I think it's very interesting. I'm only here because... We can come back and do that then, and wait. I'm wrong. Excuse me. I'm only here because Pierce Morgan's playing golf for two days at the Dunhill Lings. Can you imagine Morgan on Strictly? Can you imagine him in spandex and a fake tan?

What do you reckon? I don't want Pearson on that. I just hate the idea of that, yeah. Why? Think you'd be a good listener and follower? It would come back to haunt me in all my nightmares. Would you want him to be... What about you? Why are you going to do it?

Giovanni? That was them on the phone, right? I wouldn't do that, but I'm thinking... Would you be in a same-sex dance with Giovanni? Because I have to say something, he looks as uncomfortable as anything, Giovanni. There's not a lot of chemistry there, is there? In that scenario, I don't think they'd put two pros together. I think they'd win the show.

It's kind of the snore that I'd be put in. Who's the best pro ever to have danced on Strictly come dancing? I'm going to say on Strictly, it was possibly you way to... Oh! I'll take that, yes. All I'm going to say is, you did go on there and you got the most followers, the most talked about, the most fame instantly from it. Do you want to talk about how this has impacted in your life, the fact that your brother seems to beat you at everything? It's a touchy subject, Jeremy.

I like that. I like it. I feel like we should cut to the chase. My wife and I were watching the SAS and I went, oh, bless him, he's been sent home. To be fair, I do people please a lot, and I like to help a lot of people. So I think I shocked myself in my foot in the SAS. I thought you were very, very nice. I thought you looked really smug, by the way, to be honest, when your brother went, are you really upset? Well, you know, not really.

I was upset. They edited the part when I was crying and saying goodbye. I am not going to waltz out of here because I can't dance. An absolute pleasure. Kev, thank you so much. You're welcome. And the Pritchard brothers, the gold medalist and they also ran. Thank you.

I take the gold medal. It's okay. No, so good luck with everything. Thank you so much to do, by the way. So just to repeat, only here because Pierce Morgan's playing golf. Back to, and it's not funny. Apparently he played five. bowls and smalling and fell down through them. That's it from me. Whatever you're up to,

make sure it's uncensored. Have a great night. We're back in tomorrow night for me. Tarrah!