Piers Morgan Uncensored - "PROUD To Be American!" Piers Morgan’s USA 250 Anniversary Debate

Episode Date: July 3, 2026

As the United States approaches its 250th anniversary, the debate over what it truly means to be an American has never felt more contentious. From Supreme Court rulings on birthright citizenship to a chaotic lead-up to Independence Day celebrations, the country seems more polarized than ever. Piers Morgan tackles the state of the nation, discussing why even our independence celebrations are proving divisive - from cancelled performances to a deserted State Fair. And as an "exceptional alien" looking in, Piers offers a uniquely British perspective on whether the US might need a little more... royal unification. Joining Piers to debate the future of the American experiment is the Freedom Panel: Channel 5 host Andrew Callaghan, The Young Turks’ Cenk Uygur, PBD contributor Sdam Sosnick, Bad Faith podcast Briahna Joy Gray and former White House correspondent Brian Glenn. 00:00 Introduction 02:02 Andrew Callaghan on what being an American means to him 02:56 Cenk Uygur on the birth right citizenship Supreme Court ruling 04:49 The panel react to Trump's TDS AI post and discuss the failings of the Democratic Party 10:16 The panel discuss the failed state fair and the lack of unity in America at 250 13:48 Are the panel proud to be Americans in 2026? 20:33 Is American Imperialism a betrayal of the Founding Fathers? 24:23 Cenk, Andrew and Adam debate free speech and Israel 28:35 The Pope’s brother Louis Provost joins the show 29:52 Louis Provost on American exceptionalism and a religious revival in the United States 31:53 Louis Provost on his brother’s decision to decline an invitation to the United States and his relationship with Donald Trump 36:03 Louis Provost on illegal migration 40:40 Louis Provost on his battle with cancer 45:43 Andrew Callaghan reacts to Louis Provost’s comments about people brandishing non-American flags in the US 46:45 Best and worst presidents and the best thing about America Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Are you proud to be an American? I have a deep cultural affection for this country. My whole culture of people was invented and formed and is uniquely American. That's a very good answer, but I've noticed you haven't actually answered the question. Every single day of my life, there are moments that I'm proud to be an American. Good, good, good, good. Are there any moments to the gentleman in the bottom left corner where you're not proud to be an American? When you're ashamed of the behaviors of your own country, or do you support America without any caveat 100% of the time?

like a loyal slave. Are you a loyal slave, Adam, Soznik? Yes or no? Anybody born in the United States is an American. It's been constitutional law ever since the end of a civil war, and the Supreme Court has now ruled it must remain the law. The verdict couldn't have been more timely arriving on the eve of America's 250th anniversary.

As an outsider and exceptional alien, as they call me, looking in, the question of what it means to be an American seems more contentious than at any point in modern history. even the independent celebrations are proving very divisive. From musicians pulling out of planned performances to a deserted state fair and a maiden flight for the so-called Qatar Force One, there's been something to annoy pretty much everyone.

The Daily Wire's Matt Walsh, not exactly a woke liberal, said, quote, there's never been a failure this embarrassing in the history of the United States. And so before I turn this over to my panel for a freedom debate, it seems only fair that remind my American friends it didn't have to be this way. We Brits understand the great unifying power of the monarchy. You were all clearly gripped by King Charles Mania on his recent royal tour.

The door is open. Let's talk. It's never too late to change your mind. Well, joining us now is Andrew Callaghan, the host of Channel 5. Cheng Yuga, founder and CEO of the Young Turks, Adam Sosnik, the PBD podcast contributor. And Brian Joy Gray, the host of Bad Faith podcast and Brian Glenn, former White House correspondent. to all of you. Andrew Callaghan, you ready for a return of the British monarchy

to just calm things down? Maybe to coincide with England winning the World Cup in America. Yeah, man, I don't know. I don't know if how to work out here, but I'm hoping for another 250 great American years. Hopefully we can work some stuff out in the future. What does it mean to you to be an American? There's a lot of debate going on about what this means.

Being free, I guess. Do you feel free? Do you feel properly free? I guess to be an American is to like be from anywhere in the world and then participate in the American experiment and to kind of join this great, beautiful, strange country. I don't know. I have a lot of pride for the Americana and the culture of the place itself. I feel pretty differently about it as a political unit and as far as the U.S.'s role in the world. But I think you know an American when you see one. I mean, you know, I've never lived anywhere else. So I guess this is my spot.

So, Cheung, welcome back to Unsensit. I mean, an interesting point there. kind of a place for everyone to come. Of course, the irony of this Supreme Court ruling was that Donald Trump was trying to, in a way, go against that and trying to reinvent the wheel a bit about what it means to have birthright citizenship in the United States. How significant is this Supreme Court ruling and why is it so important? Yeah, first of all, it shouldn't have been an issue in the first place. It's a clear-cut law and there's no question about it. So look, there's a lot of great reasons why America is, in my opinion, the best. And so it doesn't mean that America doesn't have any flaws. Of course, every country has flaws. And we certainly have deep flaws. And by the way, when you point

out the flaws, it doesn't mean that you don't love the country. We do love the country. That's how you make it better, right? But are we better than other countries? Of course we are. I mean, look, we have freedom of speech. And if I can't be a loudmouthed somewhere, it's not the right place for me. So, for example, in Britain, you no longer have. have any freedom. I can't even go into Britain because I've criticized a different country. So thank God we got our independence from that oppressive country. And there's also freedom of religion for an atheist that's super important. I don't want to live in a Muslim state. I don't want to live in a Jewish state. I don't want to live in a Christian state. It's

really important. Hope and opportunity are real. My parents brought me here. I went to some of the best colleges in the world and got to set up a business. There's so many reasons to love this country, but actually Andrew hit on something that's really important. which is that if you go to China, you can't become Chinese. If you go to France, you can't become French. But you can become an American because America is an idea. It's an idea about freedom, hope, opportunity, equality, and justice. And we should all try to live up to that idea because it's a beautiful one.

And I'm super proud to be an American because of that. Well, I mean, Brianna, it's highly unlikely you will, as a country, bring back the British monarchy and make me King Piers a first, much as I'd like that to happen. However, I have a daughter who was born in America. So we could end up with a President Morgan. It could happen. And it could be the first female president is actually my flesh and blood. So, I mean, I haven't given up hope of ruling you in some capacity.

And anger baby will someday rule us all appears. On a serious point. Well, it's actually not a serious point, but it's quite a funny point. Donald Trump posted something today, which has caused the usual outrage. But I have to say, when I watched it, I thought it was bloody funny. Let's take a look at the Trump derangement syndrome clip that he put out. You or someone you know been diagnosed with TDS? The symptoms can be relentless.

Fortunately, I'm Dr. Trump, and I have a treatment plan. Let's hear what some of my patients have to say. I have been suffering for over a decade. And after listening to Dr. Trump, I can see some results. Man, I've been suffering for years. I really didn't believe that was help out there. That was when I came across this video on TV. I really thought I was a lost cause this was going to affect me for the rest of my life.

But after using the treatment plan, I can see a difference. I really wasn't sure I could help some of these people. They were so far gone, I wasn't really sure. Now, Brianna, I think you can work out if you have Trump derangement syndrome, if you find it incapable to even crack a smile at that. I mean, the real tragedy here is that Rosie O'Donnell just got such beautiful, tasteful plastic surgery and he used AI of her from the before times. That's what I would be really bad about if I were hurt.

But look, you know, it's such a funny time to be talking about Trump derangement syndrome because I think the recent victories of left candidates in New York, this past week really illustrated how far a different kind of politics can go when you focus on the issues that most working class people care about, talk about affordability, talk about the fact that people's standards of living haven't gone up in decades in this country, even as productivity has gone up. And then you can cut through all the malarkey. But I think that Trump is really smart, classic Gemini son Leo rising and understands how to entertain and distract people. And I'm sure there are a lot of people who are going to take the bait and be talking about this clip admonic.

instead of the fact that there are a lot of significant failures that he has, you know, not lived up to his campaign promises. Yeah, but isn't that the point really that Trump Dorention of Syndrome, I think, is a real thing. I see people completely losing their mind about him. Well, actually, if you look at someone like Mandani, who's become this inspiration, you know, in New York to many people on the left, he doesn't fall into the trap. He doesn't scream and shout about Trump all day long. He just gets on pretty well with him, actually, of a cordial relationship.

but he picks, he does his own thing with policies and he wants to be judged accordingly. I think that's the way to take on Trump. I do think that the standard bearers for the left have got to stop the shrieking and the crying and the wailing and the he's a Nazi and he's Hitler and all this bullshit and just get back to picking them off on policy, on politics, on, you know, if they've got a better way for the country to be led,

here it is. Yeah, Republicans have done a very good job of creating, the rhetorical environment they want to fight in. If they look at polls and they see that people are concerned about immigration, they're going to make the conversation about immigration. If they don't have a lot in terms of economic policy to make people's lives better, they're going to make the case that the reason that your life isn't better under Democrats is because Democrats are spending too much time on, say, trans issues.

And I think that now some leftists in the Democratic Party are using that strategy to their advantage. And they're now saying, okay, the reason why your life isn't better is because we're spending billions of dollars on Israel for them to commit a genocide against people who have never done anything wrong to you. And it's not just the core issue. It's not so much I think that people were so invested in trans issues. People are invested in, I think, Israel and Gaza because that's a substantive humanitarian issue. But the core, the key fact there is you are doing worse off because your leadership is to destroy. by things that have nothing to do with your life. But also, the key thing, the key thing, honestly, was,

if the party and Democrats generally had listened to Obama and Clinton, two of the most popular ever presidents, you know, if you try and deny biological science, then most Americans are going to shake their heads and go, what are you talking about? Of course it's ridiculous to have biological men and women's poor. Of course it is. So history will look back and go,

there was a whole body of people that genuinely thought this was a good idea. thought this was a good idea. And of course, it was insane. I think they should have listened to someone like Bernie Sanders, who was selling an economic message that people were very excited about. But the Democratic Party, I think, listened too much to Obama and Clinton. They decided to lean into cultural issues across the board because the donor base fundamentally doesn't have to talk about the economic delivery system. They were much more common sense of it. Anyway, let me bring in, Adam. Adam, welcome back to Unsensored. It's been interesting to me. I want to talk to you about the birthright issue in a moment. But first of all, the vibe around the 250 celebrations do seem

to be not great. You know, the state fair wasn't very well attended. A lot of top music artists have refused to perform at various events and so on. It should be, and I say this as a Brit, obviously, for us, it was a bloody terrible day 250 years ago when Mad King George blew it all. So obviously, I don't share. I actually went to the U.S. Ambassador to the UK's party over night, 250th, and I wore an American hat, and I tried to feel celebratory. But all I could think was,

if it hadn't been for that lunatic king, Georgia third, we might still be ruling over you. So it's hard for us over here. But why do you think, I mean, Trump obviously is a very divisive, toxic polarizing president. We know that, but there have been plenty of polarizing presidents before.

Why are Americans not even coming together to be united for something like 250 years of independence. Well, great to be on, Pierce. You know, they say breaking up is hard to do. Thank you for the offer to come back to the monarchy. We're good. I agree with Jank and with Andrew

and our other friend here that we love it here in America. Happy birthday. Happy anniversary, 250, July 4th. I don't know where you're seeing that people aren't proud to be Americans, maybe in certain parts of society, but overall Americans are very proud, especially people with common sense on the right. There was a poll that came out on CNN.

We love our CNN. 93% of Republicans are extremely proud to be American. Juxtaposed that only 27% of Democrats are proud to be American. Here's this lovely girl right here. I don't know where she stands on this, but she should be proud to be American. I was just as fortunate enough to be at the big UFC fight at the White House. It was incredible.

It was the most patriotic thing. Jank, by the way, I saw your boy Joe Rogan there. I do not think you're going to be able to take him in a fight. I know you try to challenge him, but you are looking kind of spelt these days, maybe. But isn't the truth? Isn't the truth? The polling shows that the future looks right here. But the polling, I guess, shows that it depends who's president, right?

If you have a popular Democratic president, Republicans will probably say have a less proud of their country, simply because this is Democrat president. This is part of the problem. And on the birthright issue, this is cuts to the quick, really, Adam, of what. what it means to be an American. You know, the founding father is clearly intended. If you were born in United States, you're an American. Why try and tamper with that intrinsic sort of bedrock foundational thing

about what it means to be actually an American? Well, there's a lot of people in America who should be thankful that they have the golden ticket of life, but some of the biggest haters of America live in America. I think ultimately, if you want to ask judicial questions, bring on an attorney, bring on a judge. For me, it comes down to one thing. Do you love the country you're in?

I'm super proud to be American. I was at Marilago. They gave me this pin, and we did a big value taming event with Patrick Bet, David. They gave us hundreds of extra American flags pins. Here's a little experiment, Pierce. I want to know what you would say to this and the rest of the panel. I started giving American flags out to everyone I saw. Hey, how you doing?

The people that loved America were so grateful. Oh, my God. Some people in Miami thought that I was giving them a little bag of drugs. It was just an American flag, relax. But what I found out is that leftists and people that should love America from America, they would be disgusted. I don't want this. I would never wear this.

I said, hey, listen, they just renounced the cost to renounce your citizenship. They just lowered it from $2,500 to $450. Anyone who wants to leave America, who is an American, I'm sponsoring them to gladly get them the renouncement of citizenship for 450 bucks, sign up at vt.com. But other than that, you've got to be proud to live in America. Even these people that I respectfully disagree with on a lot of issues, they're even proud to be an American. Well, actually, let me come to Brian then.

Let me just ask, Brianna, are you proud to be an American? I think I'm likely to be the most American person on this panel. My relatives have fought in every war that Americans have ever fought, including the Civil War, where my ancestors fought in segregated, United Color troops for their own freedom and the freedom of all black people in America. There's been a lot of talk about the founding fathers, but birthright citizenship comes from the 14th Amendment,

which was established after the Civil War to give black Americans who had been brought here via chattel slavery citizenship rights in the country that they have been brought to against their will. The Statue of Liberty, a symbol that has become synonymous with immigration rights, was actually gifted by France to the United States to commemorate the end of slavery.

So understandably, feelings about this country to which I was brought. My answer is brought as slaves is complicated. But I think what's beautiful about America, the promise of America is that it can become a more perfect union. That's what the preamble to the Constitution asks of us to continue to endeavor to become better. And while I think it's healthy and good to have pride in one's country, I lived overseas as a kid and found myself defending America from all kinds of insults all the time. I have a deep cultural affection for this country. My whole core. culture of people was invented and formed and is uniquely American as a black American.

I think that it would be a mistake to stop endeavoring to make the country better and to live up to the promise of its ideals. That's a very good answer, but I've noticed you haven't actually answered the question. Are you proud to be an American right now? You know, it's really hard, Pierce, right now, when our country is synonymous with executing a genocide that has killed hundreds of thousands of people on the other side of the world. So there are aspects of being an American that I am very proud of. Are you proud to be an American?

Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Are you proud to be an American or not? That's it. Brianna, were you proud to be an American under Barack Obama? Not in particular. I mean, to me it wasn't. Barack Obama had deep flaws and failings, including executing a drone war and being the deported and chief. So which president were you proud to be an American under? I think that my pride in being American has less to do with our political leadership, which is often very disappointing. Well, give me a time period when you were proud to be an American. I'm proud in relationship to my fellow country.

I get it. Which period of your life as an American? Sad to our. Brianna, Brianna, which period of your life as an American? You spoke very eloquently about your family, fighting in all the wars, very impressive. But at which period of your life would you have answered yes to the question, are you proud to be an American?

Every single day of my life, there are moments that I'm proud to be an American. That's not the same. That's not the same. Good, good, good. Good. What's not the same? Well, let me bring Brian in. Let me bring Brian in. I want to bring Brian in. Brian, you see, there wasn't so hard to do, Rihanna. Just say you're proud to be an American. Adam's just proud to be an American full stop.

Are there any moments to the gentleman in the bottom left corner where you're not proud to be an American when you're ashamed of the behaviors of your own country? Or do you support America without any caveat 100% of the time, like a loyal slave? I wish that you loved America the way that the average American did. I really do. It's sad to see. Are you going to answer my question? As an example of what's... Are you a loyal slave, Adam, Sosnik? Yes or no?

No, we live in the freest country in the world. Nobody hears a slave. The fact that she had to give this long, beautiful answer, rather than saying, yes, I'm proud to be an American is a problem. And I think we need to criticize America. Or do you slavishly defended even when it doesn't deserve defending? Why can't you be proud of your country 100% of the time? Just be proud to be in America.

The country has flaws. Let me bring Brian. Hang on, hang on, hang on. Why is a Brit defending America more than you? You should be a proud American. Let's let Brian speak. It's an interesting thing, Brian, right? This question, which Brianna has raised, which is, can you say on a day when you're feeling angry about something your country's done?

Can you say, right, on that day, you're not proud of your country? Or should pride in your country be the overarching thing? which overrides everything, albeit you may find there are things your country does you don't like, but your pride never dims. Where do you sit with this? Yeah. Well, first of all, thanks for having me on, Pierce,

on this very special celebration. I am proud to be an American. Now, there are times in our country that I can completely disagree on the direction that our government has headed, the things that we're involved with. But to able to have this conversation, I think she is proud to be American,

because in certain countries, you can't even go on a platform like we are right now and have this very discussion. So I think deep down inside, she is proud to be American because if she lived on any other soil, she wouldn't be able to have this dialogue. Well, no one needs to speak for me. I'm happy to articulate my own views on the matter. In a very long-winded answer, I may add. Well, I'm sorry if you want a kind of dim-witted black-or-white need your response to this.

It's not about race. It's not about race. world. If it's too complicated for you, I don't know what to tell you. What a beautiful victim this beautiful girl is. What a beautiful victim. Well, thank you for the compliment. Let me bring it. Let me bring it. Andrew wants to jump in it. Let's let everyone have a chat. I mean, even Chink has been uniquely quiet so far. I want to bring you in me crank him up in a minute. I got to get Cheggs. The fact that he's yelling and screaming like usual. Let me bring Andrew in then Cheng. Andrew, what did you want to say? Well, there's kind of like two things being

conflated here, right? There's like love and appreciation for your American country folk and just like having an Americana appreciation for the people of this strange amazing land. Like, for example, I'm going to Alaska in a couple days for the Fourth of July celebration where they're going to launch 100 cards off of the cliff and everyone's going to light fireworks and eat food from the gas station and just enjoy some Americana. Whereas the other one is like the U.S. roles in the world. The other one is like U.S. imperialism and like, I guess, you know, seeing foreign intervention, which is obviously costly happening at the same time that most people in my generation have like two jobs,

three roommates and are just unfulfilled and have no community. So I think it's probably like feels weird for people to wear like an American flagpanner feel patriotic as far as like the U.S. as a global imperial force while life on domestic soil is so bad, especially for like the Gen Z population. So I feel like there's kind of two different things being discussed here, which is like, do you love America as a group of people as like a cultural mass of unique individuals? Or do you like the U.S. as like a global military force that, you know, back CIA coups every time somebody wants to have their elections? Well, that's a really interesting point. Because, Cheng, I mean, look, in relation to the birthright issue, obviously on the basis of the, on the base of the Statue of Liberty, it reads, give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, yearning to breathe free. I mean, that has always been, for me, what America represents.

But in relation to America's role in the world, George Washington, of course, the first president, said the great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations to have with them as little political connection as possible. I think to put it mildly, that has not been followed. Certainly in the last century, the idea that America has stayed out of political connections

with foreign nations is obviously for the birds. So has there been a kind of betrayal of Washington's ideal when it comes to that? Yeah, absolutely. So let me tackle all of those. First of all, I'd like to thank the Republicans, because if you take away birthright citizenship, it's a slippery slope. That means potentially that anyone born here is not necessarily American. Well, that privileges people like me who are naturalized citizens.

So apparently, we're the only true Americans. So I appreciate it, although I don't agree. So, and by the way, there's logic to that because we chose to come here because we love this country. and we thought it was a shining city on a hill, and we think it's amazing. That's why we uprooted our whole lives and left our family and friends behind to come to this golden place.

And guys, the one thing we all agree on through all the shouting is that, look, we say we love America partly because of its freedom, including freedom of speech, and that involves, of course, the ability to criticize the U.S. government, the U.S. administration, the presidents, et cetera. In fact, if you're not doing that,

you're not really truly being an American because all of our jobs, jobs collectively is to form a more perfect union. And that's why this American experiment, this American idea is so great. Are you proud to be an American change? Now, in terms of- Are you unequivocally proud to be an American? Oh, absolutely. I couldn't be more proud. Look, like I said, I mean, if we went to any other country, we went to Germany, we couldn't become Germans. But America's an idea, and I embrace that 100%. And our job collectively together is to live up to that golden idea.

And of course, all along the way, acknowledging that we don't always live up to it, and which now connects to what you were saying about George Washington. Part of this American ideal is to be faired for equality, justice. And so right now, when we get intertwined in foreign policy of other nations, we lose our independence. So we lost our independence. We had to gain our independence from Britain, and thank God we did, because that's an impressive country that bans people for

simple political comments like they banned me. But I defend that we didn't go there. God knows what would happen. Yeah, that's right. And by the way, most of the British people did. As usual, the problem aren't the British people or the American people. It's the

governments, which of course now leads us to our need for a new independence on this 250th anniversary, which is an independence from Israel. And everybody knows that. right now Israel controls 94% of our Congress, controls all of our presidents, controls most of our media, and drives us into wars. For example, this war that we're in now has cost us $114 billion so far. No one in America wanted it, only Israel wanted it.

Why doesn't Israel pay the $114 billion? Why do we constantly have to serve this country, this foreign government? They think about merging our military technology with Israel. I mean, you want to talk about a need for independence. They're saying, no, you need to be dependent to one another. No, we don't. We don't need to be dependent on any country, including Israel. And they shouldn't be dependent of us.

It's time for them to grow up and become an adult country and stop asking Mommy for more money in wars. Okay. Let me just quickly ask. There's all this talk about like free speech and stuff like that. Like we say that America is like this only place where you can speak freely. But look at the state of our media right now. Look at the capture of all of our mainstream media outlets.

Look at the Paramount merger, the Ellison family, Mark Andreson, like Big Tech. effectively owns not only 80% of our legacy outlets, but also they're actually buying the algorithms of platforms like TikTok themselves. So if you try to report on things happening in Palestine or different data center projects in the U.S., go ahead and see how far your free speech goes. Yeah, you can go out in the street and yell whatever you want, but I'm saying our informational infrastructure is in the midst of a hostile takeover by different corporations. So, I mean, I just think the free speech thing is not really happening right now. Let me just get Adam's response to both those points. So can I just say real quick, we have a political right to free speech, but

our mainstream media is disgusting propaganda, and they try, instead of trying to help us with freedom of speech and freedom press, the mainstream media does the opposite. Anytime anybody steps outside of the boundaries, including their, criticizing their beloved Israel, they try to take away our speech rights. They try to take away freedom of the press. So our so-called news media is nothing but oppressive propaganda for a different country. Let's regain our freedom. Okay. Adam, what do you want to say about that? Wow, I thought we're here talking about America's birthday, July 4, 250 years. Somehow, Jank goes on a 10-minute escapade about Israel.

I'm not even sure what we're talking about Israel. I'm actually not even sure why we're talking about any other country other than America. Aren't we talking about America here? Why any other country? It's amazing to see the entire world show up to America from all over the world. You have pierces people, the Brits, being like, oh, my God, what is this a magical kingdom? it's like, oh, it's called Costco. We've never seen anything like this.

You have these Korean people being like, oh, this food is amazing. Hang on, hang on. I don't think any British people. It's called barbecue. Nobody, no British people I know go to Costco. People from all over the world are coming to America right now. No British person I know has ever gone. No British person I've ever known has gone into Costco and gone, wow, is this the magic kingdom?

Come on. Check the facts. But to be fair, everyone's excited to be in America. Japanese, of course. And Jank, respect to you. You're not yelling, you're not shouting, you're not getting red today. It's early days. Why did you bring up America?

Here's what I... Early days. Why did he bring up Israel? Here's what I want to understand. Here's what I want to understand if I may, Pierce, on your show. Yeah. You asked about why America's the greatest country in the world. Jank ends up talking about Gaza.

Why? You talked about the beginning of this topic about TDS, Trump derangement Central. I can answer. Some people, unfortunately, who used to be very sane, have I Israel derangement syndrome, and they can't shake it out. I think the Dr. Trump might need to give him some medicine here. But the reality is we're talking about America.

America has the money. We got the power. We got the respect of the world with the World Cup going on right now. Any other discussion is a fabrication of what is actually should be celebrating in America. That's our independence from Pierce's people 250 years ago. And we're not getting Islamized. We're not getting colonized. We're not getting imperialized.

America, we're going to keep America, the country it is. Okay, we're going to take a little break. Okay, he asks me a question. I'll come back to you guys, but we're going to bring in a very special guest, Louis Provost. He's the brother of Pope Leo. Louis, welcome back to Uncensive. Thank you, Pierre. It's good to be with you.

Thanks for having me back. Great to see you. It's pretty extraordinary. As America celebrates 250 years of independence, there is the first American Pope, your brother, obviously. First of all, what does it mean to you to be an American? It means the world to me. Listening to the discussion over there, I don't know how anybody that was born here

lives here as an American citizen becomes an American citizen. Can't be proud of this country. I love this country. I fought for this country. I would go back and die for this country again, if necessary. Do I agree with everything that goes on? Not all the time, but I support the country. I love the country.

There's been an interesting little... It's the greatest country on earth. Yeah, well, listen, I'd feel the same way about mine, obviously, but I love America, and I've a lot to be grateful to America and Americans. But let me talk just briefly about this idea. America, of course, has a special kind of covenant relationship with God, a foundational cultural concept known as American exceptionalism. Do you feel that America is still exceptional in God's eyes?

I don't think any more than anybody else, any other Christian-based country. I've noticed, and I'm not going to say it's because of my brother, but I've personally noticed a resurgence of faith here in America in the last year. At my own church, attendance has gone up. I'm in Washington, D.C. right now. We went to church here last week at St. Patrick's and talked to the pastor. Attendance has gone up there. He's noticed it.

What's that due to? I don't know. I think, again, not 100% because we have an American pope, but I believe that's part of it because, speaking for myself, popes in the past would come out and they'd talk to the people, talk to the church. And as an American here in the U.S., trying to live. listen to him and understand him speaking Italian or Polish or German, I tune it out, go away. Now the Pope, the pontiff, my brother, he speaks the language I speak. He speaks the language Italian speaks when he's speaking to them, the Spaniards, the French.

And I think that makes a tighter connection with people because they understand he's speaking to them in their own language. Same goes here in the US. People hear him talk. They understand what he's saying. They may not always agree with it. I can't say I do all the time. But they understand. And they can see, hey, this guy, I like his train of thought.

Or, you know, I understand what he's saying. It's been interesting. So I think that goes a long way. Your brother was reported to have declined an official invitation from the Trump administration to visit the U.S. in person for the Trump administration. 250th year celebration. In a statement, he expressed gratitude for the recognition, acknowledged the milestone of the anniversary, and its historic liberty-focused heritage.

But he declined the invitation to come. Do you think he should have come? Well, again, personally, I would have loved to see him come because it would save me a trip to Rome. But I can understand why he didn't come. I'm sure he wills. And I honest, I don't think. think it has anything to do with President Trump. I know they've, you know, presidents had words about him. And again, I think a lot of that's Trump being Trump and the press blowing it up beyond what it really is. I talked to my brother and he's like, there's no big, no big argument there. The president's the president. The pope is the pope. They both have their jobs to do. And they They both respect that.

When I talked to President Trump during the UFC fight, he told me he likes, you know, he says, I don't like him. Well, deep down, when you talk to him one-on-one, I get the impression he kind of likes him. I'm sure when they talk together, they'll form a bond. I don't think there's any real animosity there. So you actually spoke to the president, because I know you've always been a big fan of Donald Trump, haven't you?

So, and he knows that. I think he's commented on that. So what did he say to you, President Trump, when you saw him at the UFC? Well, I went over there. My brother, that UFC fight was on Trump's birthday. Yeah. And I had talked to my brother a day or two before and say, yeah, I'm going to D.C. anything you want me to tell President Trump?

Oh, yeah, wish him a happy birthday. Tell him, I wish him all the best. and God's blessing upon him, and I hope he has many more. So when I went to see him, I said, oh, by the way, I have a message from my brother, the Pope, and he's like, oh, really? What? And he wishes you a happy birthday and, you know, have many more and hope this is the best one ever.

And he was like, oh, that's very nice. Tell him, thank you. I will, I will. I mean, it was very cordial. There was no animosity there. Like I said, I think when they talk, they'll get along because my brother's got that personality that he can talk to anybody, whether it's where he came from or he did most of his time in Peru with the utterly. Would your brother consider himself to be Catholic first now that he's Pope or American first? Does it change when you become the pontiff? He's always been Catholic first.

Whether when he was a priest, a bishop, a cardinal, that's him. He's the church. And now that he's Pope, and again, that's why some of these discussions when Trump went back on him, but like with the immigrants, the immigration situation and the borders, He also said a country has a rights to its borders and to control its immigration. There's really no argument there. It's just the way it gets presented. He's well aware that every country has its laws and rules, and you do what you follow the law.

That goes back to Christ with, you know, give unto Rome what Rome needs and give to God what God needs. I don't remember the exact saying, but. the word was, obey the laws where you're at. You were seen with J.D. Vance, the vice president, at the same UFC event. J.D. Vance is a Catholic, and he, this is after your brother had called for a deep reflection in the U.S. about how migrants are treated under President Trump, casting the administration as being extremely disrespectful to immigrants. J.D. Vance hit back this week, so I do think that some of the things that have come out of the Valuable, and on the immigration question in particular have been troubling,

and ultimately I disagree with it. What did you make of that? Again, this is where my brother and I kind of part ways a little bit, because I think looking at it from, again, from a papal view or a church view, we're supposed to welcome people, be nice to them, treat them properly. from the government's perspective here in the states, there, again, there's law, is immigration laws. And a lot of these people that have come here,

a lot of them are criminals and they've done bad things. And I think that's where the brunt of the government's push is, is to get the really bad people out first, and then all the others. My own take, I feel for the people that, you know, have come here illegally, and are now being, asked to leave, I've had people come to my house and beg me, can you help? Can you talk to the Pope? Can you talk to the president? I don't want to be deported. Then follow the rules,

go fill out the forms. They've told you how to do it. You may have to leave, but you'll be able to come back. Don't let them find you and take you away. Then you're done. It's a sad thing, but in my mind, I follow the rules. The gentleman on your panel there that is a naturalized, I think that's what a citizen, had to follow a set of procedures to become a citizen, pay, and he did it the right way. Back in the days, people had to come through Ellis Island, take tests, pass tests, take physical exams before they were let in. We don't do any of that anymore. It's like helter-skelter, and I don't think it's good for the country. This is the only country that I know of that lets people come in from anywhere with or without a skill.

We don't ask, we don't make them or ask them to assimilate, even though they should. They shouldn't be coming here parading their Mexican flags, Puerto Rican flags, Ethiopian flags, Somalic. No, you come here, if you're going to live here, you want to assimilate, become an American wave to American flag, the U.S. flag. It galls me to see these people parading with, you know, jumping on and burning the American flag, and they're waving their own old country's flag.

They don't go back to your old country if you don't like it here. Have you had spirited? I love it here. Have you had spirited debate about this with your brother? Not really. When we talk, it's very rare that we get in, because I know his position, he knows mine, and we're not going to change.

So usually when we talk on the phone, when we talk on the phone, it's just family stuff, personal, private stuff. How you doing? How you're feeling? He asked me how I'm a cancer patient, so he's always concerned what my current status is. That's pretty much what we talk about. We don't get too deep into, I'll ask him occasionally. What do you think about if I asked President Trump to, you know, if I put him on the phone with

Is that okay? Sure if you want, but he has to call me. That's a Vatican rule, right? You have to request from the Pope. The Pope doesn't go. So I was like, well, okay, maybe I'll cross that bridge. And I was real close to calling the president when all that, the big heat was going on a couple months ago when he said, oh, I don't like the Pope.

I like his brother better, blah, blah, blah. and the media was all over me. I think you guys called too. I don't know if it was about that, but at the time, I was not feeling well either. So I just, I thought, I don't want to get in the middle of this, just let it go, don't talk about it, let it die down.

I think, I mean, first of all, how is your health, Louis? It's, it's all right right now. I'm, I've been on a treatment for the last five years, it's been at the cancers at bay. It's malignant, so it's always there. But it was minimal disease. And in the last month or so, it's starting to come back.

So the drugs I'm on are starting to, cancer's found its way around it, as it often does. So they took me off the drugs, and now I'm waiting to get to a point where I have enough of that cancer cells, that I will qualify for, I'm trying to get into a new clinical trial. Right. A CAR-T trial.

So I may know by the middle of this month, I go back for another round of test to see how much it's developed. And if it's got to be over a certain threshold. Yeah. I wish you all the very best with your treatment, obviously. Well, thank you. It's always great to talk to you on here. You're in such a unique position of being pretty friendly with President Trump. and obviously your brother's the Pope, they've never spoken.

I think you're the guy that can actually make that happen. And I hope, I would call President Trump. Tell him to call your brother. It'd be an amazing conversation. I think they would get on well. I admire your brother. He stands up for what he believes in. And so does Trump.

You know, in that way, they're quite similar. Yes, exactly. And that's why I think they'll get along because they know where each other stands. And they're reasonable men. I know people throw a lot of stones at Trump, but he's got legitimate reasons for the things he does. I can't argue with 98% of the stuff he does, and I don't know about the other 2%. I'd have to study it to see, wait a minute.

Okay, I get it. But they're both the top of their game right now, I think, I feel. Well, two of the most powerful men in the world. They're both Americans. and you're celebrating the 250th anniversary on so just finally, how will you celebrate July 4th this year, given how special the anniversary is? Well, that's why we're in D.C.

This is our third weekend here. So we've come, again, at the request of the White House to participate in some of this stuff and be there when President talks and gives his speech. But we're going to go, we have an appointment at the State. State Department after this, after we're through here, I've got to get over there. That's why I'm all super fancy trussed up. I thought it was for me, Lewis.

And then from there, well, it is. I try to come on here and look decent. You always do. At least wear a tie. But this is a formal event, so I got to dress up. Then we're going to go over to the Italian embassy, as I understand it, and do some stuff over there. And then the evening is up in the air. Who knows what?

Maybe go to the state display, the state fair on the mall again. Tomorrow the same thing. It's all up in the air. We'll be there for the, we're going to the, today's Friday, right? Today's Thursday. See, I'm screwed up because I haven't been to bed since Tuesday. We've been up. You know what, Lewis, I don't want to overtire you.

particularly giving you your health issues. I just want to say thank you so much for coming back on our says. I love talking to you. Please send my very best again to your brother. As you know, I'm a Catholic. And if in one of your little chats with your brother, you could just once again put a good word in for me to interview him. I would still love to.

I've never interviewed a Pope ever. So one thing on my, it's my holy grail, literally. I've mentioned it to him. You did? And he's not opposed to it. Really? Yeah, yeah. It's just, yeah, he's, like I say, he'll talk to anybody.

I'm available. I could be there in two hours. I could even do a confession while I'm there. See, remember our last conversation about that? Lewis, I've got to leave you there. Thank you very much indeed. Please send him my best and let's keep this dialogue going. I think you can bring Trump and your brother together

and me and your brother together and then your work is done. That's why I'm here. It's my new mission in life, so they tell me, yes. Great to talk to you. All right, I'll stay in touch. Please do. All right, thank you.

Likewise, take care. Yep. Love talking to Lewis. What an interesting place he has in life. Let's go back to the panel. Sorry, panel. Whenever I talk to the Pope's brother as a Catholic, it's like a big deal.

You know, it's just like... Hey, but, hey, but get a little. load of that guy. Do you hear what he was saying? He said, if you have a Mexican flag, I don't want to see that on the streets of America. Yeah, what do you think of that? But he's going to the Italian embassy to celebrate. And this is, yeah, he's going to Italy very far, further than Mexico. Here's, and here's the problem. And this is the issue, America's so young, right? We're about 250 years old. The national identity is still forming. We're still trying to kind of figure out what's going on here, and it might change over time. So to some people, they're offended by the idea that anybody would ever move here

and have some pride for their home country. And to them, it's all about birthright Americans who connect to the founding fathers and live in Algona, Iowa, next to an Applebee's and play Little League and do stuff like that. And then to other people, it's like Queens, New York,

where it's all a bunch of, like, first and second generation immigrants who are coming to be part of this, like, multicultural experiment. So I think that's part of the issue, is American means different things to different people. When you ask, what's an American,

we don't know yet. And I think because it's so vast and so new, that makes room for a lot of interpretations and they conflict so much. Yeah. might help understand why there's so many issues. Yeah, I think it's very interesting. I want to win with just some quickfire.

Very quickly, just ask each of you. I'll start with you, Chink. There will be 45 presidents. Who's the best and who's the worst? Oh, that's a tough one. Okay, FDR, probably the best. But, you know, obviously Lincoln, Jefferson, and so many others in the running.

And then the worst is between Trump and Bush. They've both been epic disasters. I had Bush ahead of Trump because of the Iraq war, but now Trump has started the Iran war and about 18 others. So it's been a pretty epic disaster. I'll tell you who's going to be the best president ever, the one who gets us independence from Israel. You know, the Pope is complaining about Mexican flags.

How about Israeli flags? He can't help himself, Pierce. He can't help himself. He can't help himself. I got to respect the guy. No, that's because why do you get out of our flagging? And then I'll be, I won't ever talk about again. All right.

Once Israel starts sucking off of us, then I'll let it go. Amazing. I don't think it's amazing. Cheung, the second question for you. I'm going to ask each of you three questions. The second question for you, Chang, what is the greatest thing America's given the world? One thing. Human rights.

We're the ones who pushed to have international law and rules about decency and being good to one another and obeying the laws. Unfortunately, of course, our ally Israel is destroying that. you can't mention Israel in every answer. We've got to be quick-fire. He can't help it, Pierce. Final question, Chek. I'm going to ask all of you the same three questions. Chek, hang on.

Final question for Chink. Americans, I assume you think you have the greatest country in the world. Fine. What's the second best country in the world? Well, definitely not Britain. So I guess I'll go with Canada. Canada. I love our brothers in Canada.

Breanna, same questions for you. best and worst president ever. I'd agree with FDR, worse as the best. Worst, some combination of Andrew Jackson or Woodrow Wilson, who, you know, oversaw the trail of tears and, you know, some of the worst offenses and betrayals of American ideals. Andrew Johnson, who failed to actually stick the landing

on the Civil War, and so we got to all the retrenchment and Jim Crow for another 100 years, et cetera. What was the second question? The second one is, What is the greatest thing America's given the world? Oh, I mean, there's so much in terms of music and culture. Give me one thing you just think, that was great. I got to say our musical traditions, R&B, jazz, folk music.

Give me one musician. Give me one from the world of music. Someone that you think just says... All-time favorite Stevie Wonder. Stevie Wonder. You know what? Great cool. Great cool.

And what's the second best country in the world? Assuming you think America's the best? I mean, it depends on what you're asking about, like on what basis the country is great. Has to be quick-fire this. There's no time for speeches. I will say that I spent five or six years growing up in Kenya as a kid. And one thing I like about it, that's like America is that it's got a lot of geographic diversity. It's the origin of human beings. It's a good call. I love Kenya.

And it's the most beautiful place I've ever been. Okay. It's got to be quick-fired. We're running out of time. But thank you. You're three. Let me bring in Brian. Brian, best and worst president ever. I've got the best George Washington. He kicked this whole thing off. Yeah. I've got the worst.

It's a tie between Bus Jr. And Bus Senior. They both were horrible for this country. The greatest thing America has given the world is opportunity. You can come here legally and launch the American dream, become whatever you want to become. And I'm a big music fan. And I'm very thankful for a lot of artists of the United. Costa Rica.

No military. It's all about the people, clean, living, healthy environment. friendly people, great ocean, good surf, love post-Sorica. Okay, Andrew, best and worst presidents. Okay, the gutting of the middle class and destruction of the small business sector is a result of Ronald Reagan. So I'm going to go ahead and say Reagan, worst president, sorry, if that offends anybody on the panel, best president, I'm going to have to steal Chang's answer, and I'm going to go with FDR because of the Green New Deal. If he did that, also the expansion of national parks and public infrastructure projects.

Okay, and the greatest thing America's given the world? the plane the cell phone peanut butter music we've done everything yeah and in the world of music who's the great American musician of ever do you think I think the rapper Chief Keefe but that's just my opinion it's a generational opinion got it and your second favorite country after American

yeah okay cultural contributions and food contributions I'm going to go Mexico because I love Mexican people heritage and culture however I think most functional country that I've been to would be Denmark. I was in Copenhagen and someone told me their college was free. I like Denmark. Okay. And Adam, the best and worst president. The best and worst president of the United States are the best president would be undoubtedly Abraham Lincoln, no doubt, freed the slaves. You don't have to be a victim anymore. The worst president, I don't focus on the worst. I focus on the best or the best. The future

looks right. The worst is probably Putin, she and Jenks boy, the Ayatollah. I like to focus on the best. And what was the next question? And the greatest thing America's given the world, other than yourself? Greatest thing America's done everything number one across the board. Gold medal, gold medal, gold medal, gold medal. Money, power, and respect. First you get the money, you get the power, then you get the respect. Number one in GDP, number one in GDP per capita of all major countries.

In fact, our poorest country peers, Mississippi, M-I-S-S-I-P-P-P-P-E. is the GDP per capita is $1,000 more than your people in Britain are where state is better than your best state. I would add humility to the list of things you've given the world, and I would say that with a smirk on my face. Let's give me the second best country. Rock and roll. Second best country.

The second best country. One of you has to say it. You obviously know why I'm asking this question. It's a tie. It's a tie between our British former overlords. And of course, Israel that gave us Judeo-Christian biblical values. Which are you going to go for? Of course.

Which one are you going to go for? Pierce, because I respect you so much on your show today, I'll pledge allegiance to Britain. But we all know America's the best, buddy. Boom. We're going to cut that back to you saying, I pledge allegiance to Britain. And that's going to be the only clip we put out. There you go, buddy. I want to wish you all through gritted teeth, a very happy 250th anniversary of your independent.

I'll have a quiet day, cup of tea probably, and just think about what might have been if George III hadn't been such a complete lunatic. But congratulations to America. You're an amazing idea. You're flawed like my country is, but at your best, you are magnificent, and the people in it are magnificent. Thank you all very much. Thank you.

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