Piers Morgan Uncensored - "STILL Claiming To Be The Boot?" Tim Pool vs Dave Smith On ICE

Episode Date: February 3, 2026

The attempts to justify Alex Pretti’s death have sparked debate about the scale and effectiveness of the ICE crackdown - as well as claims of hypocrisy about the right to protest and to carry guns. Those who have remained in President Trump’s camp have been accused of bootlicking. Tim Pool gave an eye-catching response to this claim, saying he’s the boot, rather than the bootlicker - and Dave Smith gave an eye-catching response to that. Dave and Tim have since apologized to one another and agreed to a polite and civil debate with Piers Morgan… Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

When these people come out and go, Tim's a bootlick if we're defending us. I'm like, no, no, you misunderstand. It's my boots. This is the gayest cringiest should I've ever said. You are an eight-year-old boy playing with action figures right now. If Tim wants to identify as a boot, I will respect his pronouns. Tim, are you still proudly claiming yourself to be the boot? The events of the past few weeks have been emotive and divisive on many levels,

including among those who vociferously backed Donald Trump to be president. attempts to justify Alex Pretti's death, for example, sparked debate about the scale and effectiveness of the ice crackdown, as well as claims of hypocrisy about the right to protest and to carry guns. And Marjorie Telet Green summed up the broader MAGA divide in her recent appearance on Bill Marr. MAGA to me meant secure the border, no more foreign wars, no more regime change. We should care about grocery prices.

We should care about housing prices. We should care about the next generation. We should care about the national debt, which I think you totally agree on, and we should release the Epstein files. We should have government transparency. That's what we campaigned on. And I don't know how in one year's time MAGA all of a sudden becomes okay with bombing foreign countries, okay with regime change, against releasing the Epstein files. So that's the split, is there's a lot of people that voted for what we thought MAGA was. it evolved into something else.

Well, those who've remained in the president's camp have been accused, among other things, of bootlicking. As you've probably seen by now, Tim Poole gave an eye-catching response to this particular claim, and Dave Smith gave an equally eye-catching response to him. Both clips are out-of-context snippets of much broader arguments, but we make no apologies for showing them both again. So the argument right now is this.

I'll put it simply. First of all, when these people come out and go, Tim's a bootlick if we're defending us. I'm like, no, no, you misunderstand. It's my boots. It's mine. I voted for them. I'm wearing the boot.

I'm stomping on the ground. I ain't licking anybody. I'm clapping for these people that I said, please go out and enforce the law. And anybody else who's cheering for it who voted for it too, we're all wearing the boots. You're the one crying. You're the one saying, you're coming in.

And enforcing laws we don't. Tim. Brother. This is the cringiest shit I've ever. seen in my life. This is the gayest cringiest should I've ever said. You are an eight-year-old boy playing with action figures right now, but you're an adult broadcasting this to hundreds of thousands of people. Like this is just so goddamn. I mean, I don't know. Like, dude, this has crossed the line of like, it's not even in political commentary anymore. You're like in some type

of fetish right now. You're wearing the boot. I'm wearing the boot and I'm crushing everybody. I crushed you and I crushed you. Like, Tim, what the fuck are you doing right now? bro. We thought it only fair and reasonable to bring the two protagonists together to discuss Bootgate. So welcome to Tim Poole and Dave Smith. How's it going? What's up, Pierce?

What's up, Tim? Tim, are you still proudly claiming yourself to be The Boot? Or have you had time to reflect? No, I think the point of that comment was I had made a post on X where I said, I said something the effect of, Freddie was conspiring with a group to obstruct federal law enforcement, did not show up to a protest, he shut up to an operation to obstruct federal law enforcement, resisted arrest. It was an unfortunate circumstance where, you know, the agents yell gun, gun, gun, one guy sees Freddie holding a phone at his hand. A gunshot goes off. I don't think

anybody was going to that day. This is the gist of the argument. I don't think the agents were trying to murder someone that day. I don't think Prattie went there with the intention of murdering everybody. And by saying that I have these people tweeting that I'm a boot liquor because I'm defending ICE because they went out and, you know, and you've got a spattering of some libertarians that are arguing this is a peaceful protest or just filming and many liberals making the same claim. And so my response is, I voted for ICE to go out and do this. I was I was promised in 2024 that Donald Trump was going to employ ICE, CBP, they were going to make these arrests. So it's not that I'm defending and licking their boot as they go out and do this.

It's literally, it's me saying, gentlemen, please, would you go out and engage in these operations? Now, I'm not happy that pretty died or these conflicts are happening. But these are agents enacting the political will of me and many others who voted for it. Day Smith, your response. Well, I would just first off say that Tim knows that I love them. And we did make up on Twitter there. Can we not start with them? Can we not start with a mollifying comment like that?

Pierce. Pierce, you really are. Even in recovery, Pierce is still just spark and fights. I love it. I'm glad to see. I'm so glad to do it in show. Joe Rogan, if I may say, in between, he had Andrew Wilson on a couple of days ago,

and in between mocking me for my injury and suggesting I have a 10-year lifespan now as a result of having a new hit put in and saying I was in no shape, and that's why this happened to me. Notwithstanding that, he did say that I'm the best cat wrangler in the world, by which he meant I bring guys at you together and I wrangle as you go at it. And so starting from such a peaceful position doesn't appeal, Dave, to my cat wrangling skills. Well, I second Joe and Andrew's opinion there.

Not the 10 years part, the cat wrangling part. But if Tim wants to identify as a boot, I will respect his pronouns and I will, you know, try to be respectful here. I think that, I think, look, what the pretty shooting, again, as we know, we've all been burned on things like this before. Sometimes there's information that isn't available, context that isn't available in the video. What we have in the video of him being shot looks about as bad as any shooting could look. he wasn't resisting arrest, he wasn't being violent in that moment. And it doesn't really matter what happened 11 days earlier. Like eight officers have him on the ground, disarm him.

Yes, one of them starts frantically yelling gun. And then they, like, pump nine bullets into a guy who's not a threat to anybody. So the shooting itself looks very bad. If you want to get into the details of that, the real question which no one seems to be addressing is, what happened right before that warranted shoving a woman in that manner. For any man to ever put his hands on a woman in that manner, you better have a damn good reason for doing it. And no one's offered one, but what the administration has done is that all of its top spokespeople lie through their teeth, including the head of the FBI claiming that it's

illegal to bring a gun to a protest. And the head of the Department of Homeland Security, claiming that he was there to assassinate a bunch of officers and do as much damage as possible. I think it was Stephen Miller who called him a domestic terrorist. This stuff is absurd. And the broader picture that I think everyone's missing here is that ICE and Border Patrol are not doing what Tim voted for them to do. Mass deportations are not happening. Donald Trump walked away from mass deportations over a year ago when he said they won't be deporting people from hospitality and farming.

Translation, in other words, big business likes the cheap labor. And they don't want those people deported. And Donald Trump backed off, as he has done basically throughout his entire fight. years of being president, sold out the American people on behalf of big business. And, you know, this stuff in, in Minnesota, this is all theater. There's like maybe 200,000 illegals in all of Minnesota. They sent 3,000 agents into Minneapolis. We're not getting huge numbers of people here. And instead, what you're getting is you're getting left-wing activists who are looking for a fight. And then Pierce's, I'm sure you've seen, Tim, I'm sure you've seen, which in a lot, in a lot of videos,

ICE and Border Patrol agents who are also looking for a fight, who are going around intimidating regular people, lying to them about what their constitutional rights are. I've seen dozens of videos where these ICE agents are telling people that it's illegal to film, threatening to put regular people on a list of domestic terrorists. Their faces are covered. They're not identifying themselves.

They're grabbing people at random Walmarts and dropping them off eight miles away. This is all, all we're getting out of this is a bunch of violence and a mess. of the worst elements of the left-wing activists. It's a huge loss for all of us. Yeah. And Tim, you know, what I think is so sort of weird about this

is that there's not a lot of difference between Donald Trump's view of the immigration issue and Barack Obama. There are plenty of clips doing the rounds at the moment of Barack Obama talking like Donald Trump about immigration. Obama, as we now know, deported over 3 million people, but he didn't get anything like the attention that Trump's deportation record is getting

and as Dave just said, he's not deporting anything like the same numbers. I don't understand having had a thumping wing on the southern border, Donald Trump, pretty much shutting it down after the ridiculous farce of four years of Biden just opening it up. Having got that big win,

why he didn't just do what Obama did a lot of the time, which is he went to the governors of individual states, and he said, right, how many illegal immigrants do you have in prisons who've committed other crimes? We're going to deport them all. And that's apparently a large number of the people that he deported were those types of people.

Most Americans would agree with that. If Trump just did a deal with every individual state governor to deport undocumented people in prison for other crimes, I think most Americans would agree with that. So why is he, why is he, Why is he allowed himself, I think, but people in his administration like Stephen Miller and others to be sucked into a much wider, much more problematic program

of masked ice agents running around like a bunch of fascists, as many people have called them, you know, just bashing doors down, running into Home Depot, seizing anyone who might be there undocumented. That's a far more complex thing and far less popular. There's a lot to break down just with what you, what David said and now what you have said. And I'll start here with you mentioning the masks. I had heavily criticized the DHS and the Trump administration going back to the election,

saying that we should not live in a country where our law enforcement are masking up and we can't see their faces. We don't want to live in a country like that. The argument I got largely from Trump supporters is that while they're threatened by domestic terrorists, they'll come to their homes, they'll kill their family. And my response is, guys, if we are actually at the point, where you genuinely believe leftists are going to show up to the homes of ICE agents and murder their families, then the problem of immigration is much smaller, right? We're in civil war at this point.

And there are some arguments that we have seen in Minnesota. They went to the homes of suspected federal agents. They smashed vehicles. They stole weapons. So all of those things are pushing us to this point where the hardcore Trump side is never going to give up on, you know what? We're fighting a demonic force or whatever. we're going to mask up and do these things.

I think that's a dangerous prospect. I will say then to your point about Trump cutting deals with the governors, I believe that was actually the point of contention with Minnesota. In many of these other states, Trump just cut a deal with these governors. And I believe the reason for the initial deployment was a combination to Minnesota, it was a combination of the Somali fraud story being massive. Trump probably wanted to win, Stephen Millie probably wanted to win, some kind of show of force, but also that Minnesota was not cooperating in the same way.

So the supposed drawdown, which I don't know we're actually getting where he brings out Bovino, he reassigns Chrissy Nome, was predicated upon, okay, Tim Walts called me on the phone and we're going to try and work out a deal. Homan said, just give us the criminals from the jails and then we can be done with this. So what I will then say to all of Dave's point is 90% agree. I said Trump needs to stand down or suit up. These half measures are ridiculous. You're getting these videos of ICE agents falling. for leftist adjutop, making these perfect PSAs to make Trump look bad. And quite honestly, DHS is looking bad when, as Dave put him out, these guys are saying,

I'm going to put you on a domestic terror watch list. I watched one video where a guy was filming an immigration stop from his porch and an ICE agent, or it might have been CBP, walks up down to his porch to stop him from filming. I mean, these go way over the line. So, yes, Trump needs to, he needed to either just stop the protests, cut a big deal or insurrection act, none of this stupid stuff, or just back off. And I think either play works. I think the backing off wholly would be good.

My proposal to Trump actually was very, very simple, not literally to Trump, but just in general. And that's visit Minneapolis, visit the Twin Cities, no insurrection act, no DHS, no military, just literally say, I'm going to come down, have a meeting with the mayor and the governor. And what that would do is it would de facto lock down these violent protests that we're seeing, these riots. It would stop these occupations that we're seeing where they're seeing up checkpoints, because then you get a natural security presence. And Trump doesn't have to say I'm putting the boot down. All right to say is, I want to talk to the governor about how we tone things down. He hasn't done that. And I also want to throw heavy criticism towards this argument that

Prattie was trying to massacre people was ridiculous. I think what we saw with the Prattie situation, where I disagree with Dave is he is clearly resisting arrest. Doesn't mean he deserves to die. It doesn't mean the agents were good. I don't think the agents were like, let's kill a guy. I think it's a crowd of people, largely, the agents, overreacting. I imagine it's due to being, I think the report was 50 people had been stalking them and obstructing them that day. Preddy was just being one of them. And these guys are on edge.

Now, I've made the argument, DHS law enforcement need to be beyond above board because of the scrutiny they're going to face. I've argued they should be wearing polo shirts and khakis. They shouldn't be going out with masks and armor because the most important things, the American people know that we're doing this lawfully and by the book. I think these guys went out there after this ongoing campaign where, you know, if you watch the videos even from today, you've got these leftists masked up. You can't see any part of their faces. And they're pulling vehicles over, demanding their paper saying, show me your IDs and prove to me, you are who you are. Jorge Ventura's got a video where they walk up to a Somali driver and then asking to confirm he's not ice. because he's in a database. So certainly I can criticize Trump, but the things these people are doing

on the ground is insane. So I can imagine you've got CBP agents, hot on edge, terror attacks against ICE and CBP last year, people are being killed, or at least they're trying to kill, and they're overreacting. That is their responsibility. I'm not going to cut any slack for overreacting, just to point out that they are, and the circumstance around Preddy's death was unfortunate, it shouldn't have happened. I look at this from a, what ingredients have you thrown into the pot? You've got leftists organizing, creating databases going on shift. Predtie was on a shift. He was on duty. They have a list of people. You are assigned a duty. He went out there with the intention of obstructing. And conspiracy to obstruct and obstruct our felons. Again, not saying it

justifies him being killed or anything like that. The agents are on edge. Everybody's boiling over. And when you put all these ingredients into a pot, you show up with the, with the sig to obstruct police. police, when they shove you and push you and then try to arrest you, you resist. And I'm not saying he was risking like punching cops, but he's clearly not submitting, laying down and putting his hands behind his back. You know what? I hate to say it, but it sounds like there was a defective CIG discharge, which resulted in them freaking out and shooting him.

Well, we don't know that yet. And what we do know is that one of the agents took away, one of the agents took away the guy's gun. You can see that before they start shooting. So the whole thing was a complete fiasco. And we've had the benefit of watching it. Exactly. So a shot is fired.

He's got a black object in his hand. And the other agents, after the shooting yell, where's the gun, where's the gun? They just don't know. No, no, I think we have to wait for that. Because apparently this particular type of gun has got a track record of sometimes doing that. Let's wait and see.

Others say there's been no suggestion it fired at all. But we'll see. I broadly agree with the law what you just said. Dave, one of the problems of this is because of these two back-to-back incidents involving ice, a lot of ice hatred is built up now, fermented as very predictably by the celebrity world, by Hollywood. We saw the Grammy Awards, everybody queuing up to pound ice.

But you also see people like Billy Ehrlich, who's a fantastic talent. I absolutely love her as a performer. But she says this. No one is illegal on social. stolen land. Yeah, it's just really hard to know what to say and what to do right now. And I just, I feel really hopeful in this room and I feel like we just need to keep fighting and speaking up and protesting and our voices really do matter. Now, the problem with that is obviously she's

got a lovely home in California. So what she's now given is anyone who wants to go in and inveigle their way into her home a license to do it. Because our own home is on illegal land, right? So once you take the premise that all of this land was illegally acquired, then there's no such thing as an illegal immigrant. Then you're back to the Biden era on steroids where 20 million, 30 million, 40 million can come in because actually none of this is illegal.

And when you've got a major pop star saying that, to me, that's really problematic. That will fly around TikTok. It will fly around where young people get their news. And before you know it, this becomes the agreed young perception of this whole issue when in fact that is not the reality of the illegal immigration problem. Yeah. Well, right. I mean, look, she's, what is, she's a child, right? I mean, I don't know. How old is she? It's ridiculous what she's saying. I think that kind of the, look,

if you take this like from a year ago to today, one of the things that was really amazing about the Biden administration was that it moved Americans further to the right on immigration than would have been previously imaginable. And a big part of this is because we had just never had such an influx of people come in in such a short period of time, just millions and millions. No one even knows exactly. They estimate around 10 million came in. But we don't really know. Most of that is going off of how many border apprehensions there were and then trying to figure out, well, if they got this many, how many might have come in? But so Donald Trump inherited a society. when he became president for the second time,

where mass deportations had support of a super majority of the American people. And of course, that's reasonable because most Americans are like, yeah, you broke the law, that's not okay. We're a nation of laws. The thing is that we also still have the United States Constitution as the Supreme Law of the Land.

So Donald Trump was always in a tricky spot here of how do you, you know, the estimates of total illegal immigration is like between 30 and 50 million. Well, how do you remove 30 to 50 million people. We only have like 20,000 border patrol agents in total. So, okay, how do you go about doing that? And it was always, I was talking about this on my show last year.

It was always a big question of like, okay, the American people support mass deportations in the abstract, but what will they really support in order to achieve that goal? What level of violence are you going to need? And so the last thing in the world you want, if you're on the side of being an immigration restrictionist is a huge show of violence that's going to turn a lot of people off that doesn't even result in a large number of illegals being deported. So like I just, I think on any level, there's like no debate here. What are we talking about? If we, just to be clear, if we got every single illegal alien out of Minnesota, you wouldn't even make a dent in one year of Joe Biden's

open border. So there's just, the juice isn't worth the squeeze here. And what you're doing, essentially is you're handing a giant talking point to all those people in that ridiculous event last night to sit around where they're all worth $50 million and they're in five, you know, a $50,000 dress and $10,000 shoes, but they talk about the struggles of, you know, this is their own weird psychological projection of not being able to deal with the fact that they're very, very privileged. But again, you're just handed them a talking point. What's in, what about that? What's in it for us? Well, we also. Nothing. Right, and we also saw Tim Poole the lionization over the weekend at the Grammys and the parties around the Grammys of Don Lemon, the Martin Luther King now of the modern era.

What do you make of a Don Lemon saga? I read the criminal charges, the paperwork, and he's not just a journalist. There's the few things that he did that crossed the line first is he provided in. instruction and advisement to these individuals on Opsic. I don't want to make it sound like Don Lemons, this crazy terrorist or anything like that. No, but he violated the FACEC act. He didn't just show up to film. He told these people to stop talking, otherwise it could expose their operations and we shouldn't say these things. He referred to himself as we. He entering this church, which is arguably a public accommodation. However, though it is up to the public, you don't have a right to go in and disrupt someone else's first amendment activities. He did two other things. He obstructed. He obstructed. the point of egress after these protests had gone in and peppered the individuals with questions. And he approached the pastor with questions. And despite being asked to leave, refused to do so. And I think outside of the criminal allegations, the most shockingly offensive thing to me is when he gets up in the pastor's space,

I don't want to just, I want to be reasonable. And the pastor brushes against them. He says, please don't push me. This guy showed utter disdain for the rights of the individuals in these churches, the extremists that went into do this. And I don't want to use protesters because they're not out in the street, having their voice served. They entered a private place of worship. They obstructed access to the child daycare area. Apparently, I've heard that someone may have gotten injured.

I'm not entirely sure what happened. There's children crying. And as they're trying to leave, Don Lemon is standing at the door, asking them questions, making insinuations about U.S. immigration policy. It's all very antagonistic. Now, you know, the way I put it is like this. If Don Lemon got privy information that a group of protesters were going to block an intersection, no one would care. Don Lemon's not going to be charged for that if he filmed it and knew it was going to happen,

even if he was giving advice to these people. It's a minor petty thing. Activists get a slap on the wrist. Now let's scale up to the next extreme end. Let's say a group of people were going to rob a bank. And Don Lemon said, I have privy information to this bank rob it's going to happen. And on the way there, he's saying, hey, guys, make sure you don't talk about certain things that could expose your bank robbery.

There's no way he's going to get anything other than locked up as an accomplice. This is the church was not a bank robbery. That's just the extreme end. The point of making is that there's a line somewhere where you are not just a journalist anymore. And I think Don Lemon crossed that line just ever so slightly enough to where I think he deserves a slap on the rest. Now, my argument was similar to Bill Mars, they should be charged with Not Cool, Bro. I would be a little more specific and say he should go to court, he should be found guilty, and the penalty should be court supervision.

It should be six months of court supervision. It basically means nothing, but just don't do it again. For the people who actually went in and disrupted this that violated the FACE Act, I think they should get some penalties. But I think the FACE Act itself is ridiculous and was ridiculous when it was made in 94. It's ridiculous today. Okay. Dave, I mean, my view is I've got no great truck for Don Lemon.

he came on my show recently was a monumental dick, as I told him to his face. However, he's allowed to be, right? In a democratic society, protected by the First Amendment, he can be as big a dick as he wants. And he's building a business on his own, you know, and this will have propelled him massively in his business aspirations. But at his heart, I just really struggle, notwithstanding, I'm sure Tim makes a lot of good points. But, you know, somebody pointed out to me the other day. If this was Alex Jones doing this in a mosque, right, would people defending it rush to defend it?

It's an interesting question. In other words, does your perspective on this get determined by who it is and where they're going, right? And I just come down on the fact that I don't like seeing journalists criminalize. You can think of Don whatever you want. But to me, the protesters were the ones who were committing a crime. and Don Lemon was reporting what was happening. And the moment we start blurring that line, the whole concept of embedded journalists

or journalists going to events or going inside and following these things, that starts to disintegrate. What's your view? Well, I just fundamentally reject the premise that we're going to sit here and pretend that Don Lemon has ever been a journalist. I mean, listen, I'm not even saying

that should have any implications on the legality of any of this. But Don Lemon, and I mean, here's, I never talk. I never talk like this, but I mean, genuinely, there's just nothing else. Don Lemon is the dumbest human being who's ever had a microphone put in front of him. Like, I'm genuinely blown away by it. I don't, I'm like, like, Don Lemon is like on the level where, like, if he just recites a talking point, I feel like the way I do when my four-year-old has like a long, complex sentence.

And you're like, very good, Don, like, those were the words that you were supposed. But look, in this, in this instance, he's not. really doing journalism. He's doing activism. Like, it's not as if he was interviewing the pastor and then also going up and interviewing the protesters and asking them tough questions. He was, like, a part of this protest. And I agree with a lot of what Tim said. I would just add in there, I think the point you made again, which I saw Tim nodding at too, is really almost the most important point here. And this is why I just, it's like strategically speaking, this is really stupid for the Trump administration to go after Don Lemon like this. Because Don Lemon was an idiot at

CNN. And now on the internet, he looks like an idiot who doesn't have his writers anymore. He's just out there just humiliating him. So every appearance that you see from Don Lemon, it just goes viral because everyone's laughing at him, like his interview with Elon Musk or his interview with you or whatever. He just embarrasses himself. And he has no audience. It's not like he's a guy like Tucker Carlson who left cable news and kept a huge audience with him. He's gotten nobody. So it's the Jimmy Kimmel situation all over again. The guy is dying. He's becoming irrelevant. He's just humiliating himself in front of his tiny audience. But then the FCC chairman comes in and kind of threatens him and now you kind of make him his free speech martyr. Now you give him giant

ratings. Now you give him something to be applauded. So I just wish the right wing in America would for once ever get smart about these fights. Like just just this is not like art of war. stuff. This is like the opposite. You're just giving your opponent's wins for no reason. I know it's not 5D chess, but let's just entertain this because I agree with you, Dave. Now, imagine Trump knows Don Lemon is dumb as a boxer rocks, and I feel bad saying that because it insults rocks. And he's thinking, let's make this guy the biggest personality on the left and they'll prop him up. It's almost an accidental sabotage of the left. You know what? I didn't think of that one. That could be. That could be.

either thinking. I want to end, Dave, just by asking you about something you and I've interacted with on Ex-About. But this astonishing revelation that the IDF is now accepting the Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry's numbers on casualties in the war, having, I mean, in my case, pretty much every single pro-Israeli guests for the last two years try to muddy the waters about those numbers and say they're all massively inflated and so on, it's pretty startling that now the IDF just casually comes out and goes, oh, yeah, they're kind of right. Yeah, I mean, it's just, it's just an unbelievable, Pierce. I mean, what can you even say? And look, it's like always like this with the war propagandists. Like, they have this huge

talking point. That's a complete lie. And then they just quietly abandon that and move on. And it's like, we're supposed to forget their entire track record. Because if you remember Pierce's me and you, I mean, you've done a lot more than me, but I've been on quite a bit. We've done so many of these. It's not just that they would say that the numbers are wrong. They'd then turn around and accuse people like me of being, you know, a Hamas supporter or something like that because you're repeating their numbers. And then just casually at the end of all of it, now that the genocide's been completed and Gaza's unlivable. And now it's just a plan of where we're going to ethnically clime. Oh, yeah, by the way, that was right. And the only reason why

the IDF is admitting that those numbers are right? It's because they're much higher. They're much higher than that. These are just the numbers of identified bodies that have been pulled out of the rubble. The people who died from second and third order effects, this thing's going to be in the hundreds of thousands. Once journalists get in there, I agree.

I think once journalists get in there, the numbers will be much higher. But we'll see. But the point I kept making to people, which is so ironic now, because I did a bit of research into this, which is something that most people don't like to do in these situations. The research I did very, early on was that historically the IDF had accepted the Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry casualty numbers in previous skirmishes, flare-ups and so on. They had accepted they were

broadly accurate. And I kept saying to people, you do realize that the IDF historically has generally accepted these numbers that they put forward as being accurate. And I was laughed at and mocked and told a bit, I was a Hamas, Stoge and so on. And yet here we have, once again, the IDF, once again, accepting the numbers are broadly accurate, as they historically have invariably done. I mean, there, right there, it's one of the great ironies of this whole thing. I've got to leave it there. And which one of them? Who, is there one of them who will admit, hey, I got that wrong? As one of them come out, of all the people who came on your show, I haven't heard a single one. Not yet. Not yet, but I look forward to having them back.

Guys, thank you both very much. I'm glad we put an end to Bootgate. It was a very civilised debate. Thank you very much. Thanks, sir. Pierce Morgan Unsensad is proudly independent. The only boss around here is me. If you enjoy our show, we ask only one simple thing.

Hit subscribe on YouTube and follow Pierce Morgan Unsensored on Spotify and Apple Podcast. And in return, we will continue our mission to inform, irritate and entertain. And we'll do it all for free. uncensored media has never been more critical and we couldn't do it without you.