Piers Morgan Uncensored - "Superman Actors Jumping Out of Vans?!" Tim Miller vs Dean Cain On ICE

Episode Date: August 11, 2025

Some heavy-handed and badly-managed deportation raids carried out by ICE have drawn criticism and even protests in LA, tarring the gloss off President Trump's action to close the southern border. Recruitment may be the answer, with ICE now offering a $50,000 signing bonus - and one of those who have taken the opportunity to train as an agent is actor and former Superman star Dean Cain. But not everyone is impressed, including US late night host John Oliver, who delivered a blistering attack on Cain over his announcement. Cain joins Piers Morgan alongside another of his critics Tim Miller to tell us why he's taken the step. Piers Morgan Uncensored is proudly independent and supported by: OneSkin: Get 15% off OneSkin with the code PIERS at https://www.oneskin.co/ #oneskinpod Riverbend Ranch: Visit https://riverbendranch.com/ | Use promo code PIERS for $20 off your first order. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

There's an old saying in Hollywood. If all you can get is Dean Kane, you are fucked. The fact that I'm being, you know, pillor-attacked for joining up with a federal law enforcement agency is insane. And now we've got ICE agents and apparently former Superman actors are going to jump out of vans and nap them. I'm not untrained. I've been a sheriff's deputy for almost 10 years. I don't think the fact he's been an actor or footballer or Superman or anything else makes any difference. You're going out and you're villainizing myself.

you're going out and you're villainizing these ICE agents who are trying to uphold the law. I'm announcing a historic action to rescue our nation's capital from crime, bloodshed, bedlam and squalor. Pam Bondi doesn't have any experience managing a police department any more than Dean does as an ICE agent.

Well, deportation raids carried out by ICE to become a major flashpoint in U.S. politics and culture. Some heavy-handed and badly managed deportations have taken the gloss of President Trump's decisive action to close the southern border, sparking protests here in Los Angeles and drawing criticism from the likes of Joe Rogan. Now, amid the fire and brimstone is only fair to point out, this administration is currently deporting less than half of the monthly total deported

under both President Obama and Biden. That's because it's much harder to find and deport illegal immigrants who have been in their communities for years than it is to send them back across the border you had essentially left wide open. Recruitment may be the answer. ICE is offering a $50,000 signing bonus as Pillarie by South Park, and its new signings include actor

and former Superman star, Dean Kane. But not everybody is impressed. On the plus side, no need for that guy to wear a mask because the chances of anyone recognize him are fucking zero. You know, there's an old saying in Hollywood. If all you can get is Dean Kane,

you are fucked. I'm not saying, I'm not saying that ICE isn't finding people. I'm just saying, when you are reduced to pinning a badge on the 59-year-old star of the dog who saved Christmas, the dog who saved Christmas vacation, the dog who saved the holidays, the dog who saved Halloween, the dog who saved Easter,

and the dog who saved summer, maybe you are in trouble. So has Dean Kane misjudged the public mood here, or is he the hero American Eads in the quest for immigration justice? Well, actor Dean Kane joins me to speak for himself alongside the ballwalk commentator and host Tim Miller.

Welcome to both of you. Dean Kane, your response, first of all, to John Oliver's attack. Why does John Oliver hate dogs? So I did a lot of dog movies. I've done over 200 movies. You know, I've done tons of films and thousands of hours of television.

John Oliver is making a point, I guess, that I'm 50. I'm 59 years old and I've joined ICE, but it has nothing to do with, you know, go ahead and denigrate my career, which is weird. It's an odd thing to do. But what I'm doing is I'm standing up for the men and women of ICE. I'm a sworn deputy sheriff. I'm a reserve police officer.

I have been for over a decade, or almost a decade now. And our ICE agents are being vilified. They're being attacked. They're being doxed. And they're out there trying to do their job. They're doing the job that the American people hired them for, that Congress wrote the laws for. They're doing it very, very well. And I stood up there.

I did a recruitment video for them. Everybody thought that I actually joined ICE. And then after the hullabaloo, I spoke with some ICE officials. And I said, you know what? Why don't I just want to swear me in? Let's do this. And I'm 100% proud to stand with our agents of ICE. I love these people.

They're wonderful men and women and husbands and fathers of every ethnicity, every race, every background. And we've had over 100,000 or close to 100,000 applicants now. I'll happily take the the jibes of John Oliver, who also said that it would be, you know, that America doesn't want Donald Trump to run, you know, to win, but they desperately want him to run. The same people that laughed at that sort of stuff and made the cheap jokes on Donald Trump's, at his expense, well, look, who's in the White House right now. So it's just, you can make the cheap jibes, and that's funny. And Bill Maher did it. And a few, let's see, a couple of our congressmen did it too. But, you know, the fact that. that I'm being, you know, pilloried or attacked for joining up with a federal law enforcement agency

is insane. I did it to protect Americans and to protect our men and women of ice. Tim Miller, welcome back to Unsensored. First of all, in terms of Trump's overall policy on immigration, do you applaud the success he's had in pretty much shutting down the southern border? and do you agree that any undocumented Americans who commit crimes in the United States should be deported? On those two points first, are you broadly in agreement with what they've done? Sure. Good read back, peers. I knew you were going to ask this question because I got it the last time I was here. So, you know, I have a little bit of follow-up for you.

Look, I think that obviously the border was too open under past administrations, and we need to have control over who's coming into the country and who's not. There was some progress on that actually in the last year of the Biden administration. Donald Trump, as administration, has advanced that further. I think having control of the border is something that makes sense. Deporting people that have committed other crimes, not just we can discuss what we mean by crimes, but deporting people that have deported violent crimes, rather, you know, as opposed to immigration crimes, of course. We should deport people that have committed violent crimes.

Here's the problem, though, which is why I just can't give him full credit. you don't actually want to be a country that nobody wants to come to. Because that's where we're at now, where there is zero border crossings. And that is actually not a good thing. I want to pull up. Here are the list of the countries with negative net migration. That could be us this year. We're going to have negative migration, more people fleeing America than coming.

Some of the other countries that have that Syria, Venezuela, Ukraine, in the middle of being invaded, Pakistan, Sudan, China. That's not what we want. A growing country wants people to want to come here. here. We want people to want to fleeing communist countries to come to America. We're going to have negative population growth for the first time in this country. Other countries that have that,

Russia, Cuba, Bulgaria. I don't aspire for America to be like Syria and China and Russia where people don't want to go into their countries. We don't want to have a country that's fully locked down. I disagree with Donald Trump's immigration policy across that work because that's what's happening in this country.

People are no longer coming here. It's not just the violent criminals are being kept out. People that want to come, work hard, contribute to this country. That is what America has been founded on. They pay lip service to that. They say we support legal immigration, but they're not allowing people into the country. We're going to have more people leaving America

than coming for the first time in a while this year. Can I please respond to that? Dean, I'll let you respond. I mean, the question I would have for you is I think what's happened on the southern border is borderline, pun intended, miraculous. To go from millions of people in the Biden four years coming over every year illegally on the border to basically just a few thousand now,

almost eliminating it completely is a huge success for the Trump administration in a very short period of time. Big tick. I think that most Americans I've talked to are unanimous, so they have no problem with undocumented people in the United States being deported if they commit a crime. Okay, so we can all agree on those things. But where I have a big problem with the further strategy of ice. This just seems something so un-American about ice going into places like Home Depot and grabbing people who may have been in the country

for 10 years, you may have been contributing their taxes through gainful employment, contributing to society, maybe have kids that have been born in the United States. Grabbing those people and throwing them out of the country seems to be quite un-American to me for the reasons, Tim, articulated. And most of the polling I've seen suggests that at least two-thirds, maybe more of Americans, agree that they think that's a step too far. How do you feel about that?

I mean, are you comfortable with Home Depot being raided by ice and people like that if not committed crimes other than being in the country undocumented, being deported? Well, let me ask you this question, Pierce. What if you did that as a citizen in Europe? If I went to Europe and I stayed there and I was there for 20 years and I was undocumented, what would happen to me? I've had a home in Spain for 25 years. My response to that would be that I get stopped. I get stopped if I stay longer than 60 days in 180 day period.

All kinds of issues happen. And that happens in every single country. But let me get back to something real quick that Tim said. And I'll address that. The United States is the most immigrant friendly, by far country. on this planet. We have over 50 million immigrants. Tim, just look at the numbers, more than the next four countries combined. We also let in a million people legally every single year. I don't think we really disagree that much. I'm sorry, if you said something, I couldn't hear it.

I just like not anymore. That's not what we're doing now under Donald Trump. I'm glad you like the immigrants are welcomed here, but right now we're going to have negative net migration. Well, you're predicting something that isn't quite there. I'm sorry. I kid. I don't know if I was talking over you. I apologize. No, continue. Oh, yeah. So, so, so, so, so, so, yeah, will we have negative network migration? Well, it depends if you're going to, if you're going to, you know, negative compared to last year under the Biden administration. We, our immigration system, and I think we can both agree on this, is broken.

And, and Congress needs to write laws to fix it. There should be, we want immigrants here in the United States, but we don't want people to be here illegal, and we don't want people crossing the border, completely. completely unvetted, and that's the big issue that was going on for the last four years. But Dean, let me ask you. Where do you draw the line? Well, that's not for me to make that policy. That's up to Director Lyons and Congress.

I mean, these are things that Congress should be dealing with, and they should make those laws, and then our ICE agents will dutifully perform those duties. I mean, they'll take care of whatever the law. You must have an opinion. You must have an opinion where that line should be drawn, because, you know, we all agree that the southern border being closed is a good thing. We all three of us agree that people who commit crimes when they're in the country undocumented,

crimes that are not related to their immigration status, that they should be deported. So we've got broad agreement on those two big clanks of the policy. The issue that Tim and I have is that we do not believe that just going into Home Depot and grabbing anyone who's undocumented is a particularly American thing to do, particularly if they've been in the country for a long period of time and built lives in America and not contributing to society and paying taxes and so on.

So my question before I go back to Tim is simply, you know, if you were helping them reframe the law, where would you draw the line in terms of who you would allow to stay and who you would deport? Well, it sounds like you agree on policy but disagree on tactics, you know, on tactics and the way they're doing it, you know, the way they're rolling in. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I don't, because I don't agree with deporting everyone who's in the country undocumented, do you? Do what everyone who's in the country undocumented? Well, that is not my decision to make, but I know that if you're in any other country undocumented. My opinion is if you're here illegally, you should go through, what's your opinion, Dave?

I'm trying to give it to you. If you're here illegally, you should have gone through steps to legalize your status, and there's, been countless opportunities to do that. There has been tons and tons of opportunities to do that. And you know you broke the law when you came here. It's the same as in any other country. You've got to find a way to legalize yourself or self-deport, or else ICE will come and they will deport you. Okay, Tim, your response to that? And this is crazy. You know, I'm what he's saying. And I disagree with the tactics and the policy. The tactics have been, again, brutal. I think that Dean Cain wants to turn

the country into something that looks more like an authoritarian country. We have negative people coming in, people going out. We have people in masks. But Dean was on Fox the other night, and Jesse Waters asked him, will you hop out of ice vans and start apprehending guy? And Dean said he'd be willing to do that.

This is not a TV show. Like, this is real life. The idea that somebody who is not trained would join ice and join these guys that are putting on masks and jumping out of U-Haul's at a Home Depot and nabbing people, it's a horrible policy. It is un-American.

It is not how we should treat people. It does not show a respect for individual rights in a free country. And the policy itself of deporting these people, of deporting everybody that is here undocumented is a crazy policy. It would crush the economy. Donald Trump's even backtracking on this policy. His friends in the ag industry have called them and said, You can't deport our ag workers.

And then on top of that, not only is the policy bad and not old tactics un-American of these masked thugs jumping out and grabbing people, but ICE is screwing up over and over again. They don't need more agents. They certainly don't need more untrained actors as agents. Right here in Louisiana, I'll just give you two. Madonna Cashanian, she's a 64-year-old Iranian grandmother. She came here as a student. She did everything to Dean said. She was trying to get to get asylum.

The U.S. kept kicking the can on that. She kept going to appointments. She's gardening outside her home, and she gets picked up by ICE. She was in detention for a week. Jose Francisco Garcia-Rodriguez, 73-year-old grandfather. He emigrated on a U.S. boat from Cuba and tried to get asylum. Didn't have a paperwork mistake. Arrested by ICE held for a week.

George Reddus in California, 25 years old, worked as security guard. U.S. citizen. Ice grabbed him, held him for three days. And we can argue at this. this doesn't even get into the Venezuelans that we sent to Seacot, many of whom didn't come to the country illegally. They came legally. They sought asylum. They came across the border. And rather than sending them back to Venezuela, ICE and Christy Knoem sent them to a torture prison in a third country that they weren't even from. So, like, ICE does not need more untrained agents right now. ICE needs to learn how to follow the law and treat and treat people who have not committed crimes with respect and with the rights. earned.

Okay, but Tim, it remains the case. Hang on, Dan, hang on Dean. I'll come to you. The thing I would say, Tim, to that, as I said in the intro, it remains a fact that the level of deportation so far in this Trump term are about half of what they were in the Obama and Biden administrations. You alluded to it. That's because this is kind of one of these things that's, you know, statistics, like lies, damn lies in statistics.

Part of the reason for that was, as you said, the border was open. We can critique it probably too open during the Biden-O-Mabom administration. When they're counting the deportations, that's people that come to the border, come across the border, get sent right back across. So it's easy to run the numbers up when you're doing that. The border right now is shut down, as you guys mentioned. So what they're now doing is going to get people from inside the interior of the country. That's much more challenging. And so they're spending all this money to get new ICE agents, people who are former actors,

apparently are going to come in and start helping with this. And the problem when you go into the interior of the country to start finding people is if you're just trying to get a quota, Stephen Miller set quota, you're going to end up naving people like George Redis, who is actually a citizen or like Jimenez-Arius Christobal who had pulled over incorrectly that could have got the wrong car. And you're going to screw up. And so you got to respect.

Okay. But you're going to say it sounds to me. And not just go a quota and send people to alligator alcatraz and send them away. Like that's, it's more challenging. It's a hard. But it sounds, okay. But it sounds to me, and correct me if I'm wrong, what critics would say of what you've just said is, okay,

so what is the difference in principle between somebody who comes over the southern border illegally and somebody who's come over a different way, or perhaps earlier, over the southern border, but remains in the country illegally, notwithstanding the fact they may have built a life of themselves, if you're happy for people to be rejected immediately if they come over illegally, why would you be unhappy about them being held to account for being there illegally in a year,

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people illegal that weren't because they came through asylum, either Joe Biden or George Bush or Obama or even Trump actually himself in the first term gave people from a lot of countries, Venezuela, Cuba, et cetera, asylum, temporary protected status, Haiti. This was a big thing during the campaign. And so now they've taken away their status. And they're like, self-deport or will deport you. So these people didn't come illegally. They came through a legal process. And now we've got ICE agents and apparently former Superman actors are going to jump out of vans and nab them. and hold them in deportation cells? That's insane.

Like, that's not how you act in a free country. So, no, I do think in a lot of these cases, it's different. Like, a lot of these situations are complicated. And they've tried to come legally. They are, there is no doubt it is complicated. Dean, over to you. Tim, I don't understand why you have to go, you know, a former untrained actor.

I'm not untrained. I've been a sheriff's deputy for almost 10 years. I've been a sworn sheriff's deputy and a reserve police officer. So I don't know why you're saying untrained. And by the way, when you join ICE, they train you. So to say that and try to denigrate because I'm an actor, I shouldn't be able to be concerned about what's going on with our borders

or with our law enforcement agencies is denigrate. It's ridiculous. Should I say because you're a former Republican strategist, you have no say on anything? That's baloney. So first of all, discounting that, making a cheap joke, just like John Oliver or Bill Maher, anybody else. You know what, right? people. Let me finish my sentence. Let me finish my sentence, please. Let me finish my sentence, please.

Denegrating somebody because they're doing this because of what they used to do or what they do, or whether they're an actor or a writer or a newscaster, is ridiculous. It's an ad hominem attack. It's wrong. And there's been over 100,000 people who have put in applications for ICE. So clearly there is a desire for people to step up and serve this country. Dean, if you show up at someone's, if you said on Fox that you'd be happy, that you, if they sent you and you'd be happy to jump out of a truck and go apprehend people. So if you show up at the door of someone's home as an ice agent, which you're an ice agent now, do you know what rights they have?

I'm not an ice agent yet. Oh, okay. So, yeah, so you are an untrained former actor. You are an untraded actor. I am a former actor. I'm a former professional football player, too. So what I want to run down on resume? So it's stupid. I'm just telling a fact.

You denigrated as though it's something negative. You denigrated like it's something negative. Like you know what you're saying. We're trying to gloss over it. It's ridiculous. It was snarpeed and it was stupid. I'm telling you what's negative. You don't know the job.

You don't know the job. That's why it's negative. You don't know that I don't know the job. You're just assuming. Did you know I was a law enforcement officer? I just asked you, do you know what migrants' rights are? If you show up to someone's house as an ICE agent, do you know what rights they have? Do you know?

All the due process rights of anybody in this country. Okay. So do you know, do you need a warrant signed by a judge to apprehend somebody? This is ridiculous. I'm not a sworn ICE agent yet. Well, you were saying you're happy to jump out of vans and start apprehending people. You were bragging about that. I will.

And then you made it, of course. And I would if that's what the director asked me to do. Okay. I'm going to say, I'm going to say, hang on, hang on, hang on. I've got to say, I've got to say, of all the arguments to use against Dean King, I do find the kind of constant sneering that, A, he was Superman and an actor. I do think that's irrelevant, actually. He's perfectly entitled, as an American citizen, to train up to be an ICE agent should he want to.

And as he's made repeatedly clear, Tim, he'll only start being an ICE agent when he's completed that training. So I don't think the fact he's been an actor or a footballer or Superman or anything else makes any difference. It's a fact he's been, as he said, a sheriff and other things in terms of law enforcement, actually makes him more qualified than most citizens to train to be an ICE agent. And if he wants to be, then what's the problem? Why should we use his background as a stick to beat him with? I can answer that, Piers. Are you not concerned that ICE has decided that they're just going to go in this recruitment campaign

and start leveling up the amount of agents that are going to be masked going into Hispanic communities? Well, no. I think people are not trained people. Well, no, on the mask. This is very hard. This is hard working. We got to respect people's rights. And like,

yes. It's not doing that. But nobody is. Okay. Well, it's not great. It's not going to help. That's a real concern. That's a legit concern that people who are not trained are going to be doing these jobs.

Sure. Two things. Two things I would say by way of response. One, I've not seen any evidence that people are going to be poor. trained to be ICE agents. They'll be recruited as they always have been. You're talking about trained ice agents. I think while they keep grabbing people who didn't do anything.

I don't think the way. Yeah, but we all, but my second point was we all know why they're wearing masks just because they're being doxed left, right and center, on social media and having their life friend. Of course, say, I don't know. This is bullshit. This is bullshit.

For starters, we have evidence. Ice agents are being trained. It is really quick. Let's go back to George Redis. He arrived at work. He was a U.S. citizen. Ice agents surrounded his car. He identified himself as a U.S. citizen. They broke his window, pepper sprayed him and dragged him out using detention for three days. So we do have evidence that they're not being trained or in fact people's rights. And on the masks, this is crazy. Do you know how many judges have been threatened? You know, if you're a judge and you have, there's a case that it's happening, you're a prosecutor and you're targeting a murderer suspect, these guys been threatened. There have been judges who families have been threatened. There are a lot of people in public life who have been threatened. You still don't get to wear a mask and be a secret judge, not in a free country. You don't. I'm sure you get threatened. I'm sorry, if you're an agent of the government, if you're a representative of the people, you need to show your face and name yourself so that you have accountability. That is a totally reasonable ask. And so it's, and I have no sympathy.

Well, let me get Dean. All right. I'll get Dean to respond, but there is an irony, of course. that all the people who campaigned so aggressively for everyone to be masked during the COVID pandemic and now furious about the wearing a mask. Dean, your response. The unfortunate reason that they're masking up is because they are being docks. The attacks on ice agents have gone up over a thousand percent. Their families, you disagree with that stat? No, I'm sure that. But look, that's what I'm saying.

I'm sorry, if you work for the federal government, you could not be a secret agent that Nabs people judge. Do you disagree with the stat? I asked you specifically. I'm saying it doesn't, no, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. You still have to, you still can't be a secret thug cop in a free country. I'm sorry, you have to tell people.

And the fact that you're denigrating them and calling them these names and these things is part of the problem. And same thing with me standing up and joining ICE. You are going out there and you're villainizing. Let me finish my sentence, please. You're going out and you're villainizing. myself. You're going out and you're villainizing these ICE agents who are trying to uphold the law. These are wonderful men and women. They shouldn't be attacked. Their families shouldn't be

attacked. They're doing their job that Congress has given them the authority to do and written the laws for. If you don't like the laws, have Congress changed them. We should be upset that all these these congressmen aren't delivering a new legislation, a new legislative piece, talking about how these things should be dealt with. That should be the problem, but not doxing our ICE agents and not going down and just tearing them down and turning them into villains like many people have tried to do to me. They're not villains. These are wonderful people, and they're trying to protect Americans. And also, you're coming out with names. I'll give you names, Jocelyn Nungary. How about her? A 12-year-old girl killed in Houston by illegals. Was that okay?

Do you care about her? Are you going to step up for her? Of course not. Of course that's not okay. I do think it's important, Tim, I think, just before you respond. It's very important to acknowledge that ICE are also apprehending a lot of very bad people in this process. I mean, indisputably, you can see the stories every day. So, yes, there are some that are getting through the net, which is unacceptable. I don't like the tactics of storming into Home Depot and rounding up random people who may be on. documented, but we shouldn't be too denigrating of what ICE is doing in removing bad people. That we should all be on the right side of. I don't denigrate that, but I'm just saying in any job, there are people that are bad apples that act poorly.

It's true about podcasting, news hosting, acting. Like, when you have the force of the state at your hand, you have to be transparent about who you are. And allowing people to be masked and to rough up, rough people up without any accountability. It's just wrong. And what about that guy? I don't have a stand in front of me. There's the older gentleman outside the IHOP in L.A., where you are, peers, who got pepper sprayed, pushed to the ground, manhandled, thrown into a van.

There was a video of it. His kids all served in the military. He hadn't filled out some of his paperwork. Is that the way that we treat people? It encourages bad behavior when guys get to wear. masks and rough people up. So I'm sorry, sure, obviously. I'm not denigrating all people that work for ICE, but there have been some very bad actions and their treatment of some of the migrants has been wrong. And I think that adding in new people who are not trained for this, who are,

have, you know, been riled up by the extreme rhetoric of some in this administration, I think that you're going to bring in people that care more about deporting people and getting back get the bad immigrants, then they care about respecting people's rights. Okay, let's just switch gears slightly. It's a similar theme. Donald Trump has today had a big press at the White House in which he announced the police in Washington, D.C. will now be under direct federal control and deploy, is going to deploy the National Guard to the streets of Washington to fight

crime and clear the city of its homeless population. What do you feel about that, Dean Kane? Is that an overreach? I don't know enough about that to really to make a strong statement, but I know that the crime in D.C. has been crazy out of control. It's not a very safe area, and that's unfortunate, not just miles from the capital, but for any city. I'm someone who respects law and order, and there's been an absolute, just a deluge of crime, you know, people taking over streets, these street racing areas, things like that, and it's gotten out of control. So I think some law and order being installed or brought back to D.C. It's probably a good thing.

But I don't know enough about the specifics to comment intelligently. Okay. Tim, let me just play a clip from Trump, Tim, before I come to you. I'm announcing a historic action to rescue our nation's capital from crime, bloodshed, bedlam and squalor and worse. This is Liberation Day in D.C. And we're going to take our capital back. We're taking it back. And they're screaming at them an inch away from their face.

And then they start spitting in their face. And I said, you tell them, you spit and we hit. And they can hit real hard. You know, I'm going to see Putin. I'm going to Russia on Friday. I don't like being up here talking about how unsafe and how dirty and disgusting. this once beautiful capital was?

Just to point out, he's meeting him in Alaska, an American state, of course, not Russia, as he mistakenly said there. But 800 National Guard members have been activated, Tim. And yet the Metropolitan Police Department statistics for DC show crime down in almost every category in 2025, violent crime down 26%, property crime down 4%, all crime down 7%. and a U.S. Department of Justice report says violent crime stats from the city are at a 30-year low. So what do you make of this? I don't like it.

I don't understand, you know, conservatives used to be a small government party. This is our instinct. Control is better closer to a locality than it is from the national government. The idea that he said also in that press comments, I guess, that the DC Police Department is now going to report to Pam Bondi. Pam Bondi doesn't have any experience managing a police department, and he more than Dean does as an ice agent. So this stuff is not serious, okay? This is not serious.

And I don't like the way that he denigrates the country either. You know, it's like if a Democrat went out there and talked like that about things in Alabama, you know, on this show peers, people would be up in arms, clutching their pearls, and how the Democrats look down on Americans, et cetera, et cetera. Trump's out there trashing D.C. are once, beautiful city. It's squalor now. DC isn't squalor. Go to DC. Go to Logan Circle. Go to go to Georgetown. Go to the Wharf. D.C. is beautiful. Yes, there's crime. Yes, I'm sure that there are legitimate reforms you could bring to, you know, bring more law and order to the city. There's some discussion

of some reforms about treating like these carjackers who are under 18 as adults. I'm open to changes like that. The idea that the federal government should take over a local city's police Department. I just think that's dangerous, not conservative, and I don't think it's based on any actual serious effort to try to resolve policy changes. I get the power grab.

I mean, Dean, I always think part of what Trump does with these things is he wants it to be as much of a deterrent as anything else. I do think one of the reasons why the southern border has been so dramatically slowed in terms of people coming over it is because there is a

sense that Trump is being exceptionally tough on the southern border, and that is acting as a deterrent. Do you think part of what is strategy here in D.C. is to send a message, we're just not going to put up with this anymore? I think 100 percent, and I think it'll be very effective. No question about that. And the reason that this, I think the crime statistics that you cited are down, and there's a lot of talk about this, is that they have been underreporting or not reporting crime. Same as California. Same as so many other places. Tim, you might shake your head, but it's certainly an arguable point. And they're saying that those crimes haven't been reported.

Would you feel comfortable walking around at 2 o'clock in the morning in D.C. in certain areas? I mean, I don't know, but it's really close to the Capitol. It's not just some random city. And I think by doing this, you'll watch crime get cut right down. And if you're not doing anything that's wrong, if you're hanging out, going to a restaurant or going to a bar or doing whatever you're going to do, you're not going to have a problem with these law enforcement officers or the military, whatever it happens to be that he's using, but the streets will be safe. And I think part of it is that deterrent factor. Okay, look, we've run out of time.

I want to just end with a clip from South Park about Christy Noem, just so we can lighten the load. Welcome to the team recruits. I'm Christy Noon, head of Homeland Security. A few years ago, I had to put my puppy down by shooting it in the face. Because sometimes doing what's important means doing what's hard. It's the same determination of you because detaining and questioning people

is never easy. Homeland security, I'll be leading the way. Well, Christian Homa's responded by saying it's so lazy to just constantly make fun of women for how they look. I think she's slightly missing the point there. I think the point about South Park is savagely, ruthlessly funny

about everybody in public life and she's just copying a bit of what they give everybody else. and long may they continue to dish it out. Gentlemen, thank you both very much indeed for joining me today. I appreciate it. Thanks, Pearce. Thanks, Pierce. Thanks, Tim. Pierce Morgan Unsensit is proudly independent.

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