Piers Morgan Uncensored - "They HATE America!" Trump Halts ‘Third World’ Migrants After Afghan Shooting

Episode Date: December 1, 2025

Two former heads of the UK Special Forces buried evidence of alleged war crimes by the SAS in Afghanistan, according to evidence given by a high-ranking officer to a public inquiry. It’s a stark reminder that Afghanistan was plunged into sheer hell by the war on terror, with at least 46,000 civilians killed. And as a final insult to injury, the withdrawal of US forces under President Biden was a complete and humiliating disaster. That’s the context for why many Afghans were allowed to move to the United States and to the UK and the context is important. But tragically, one of those Afghans - a 29-year-old man who had worked with the CIA - shot two National Guard members in DC on the eve of Thanksgiving, killing one and severely injuring the other. President Trump has now halted all immigration requests from Afghanistan and Afghan groups in the US are begging him not to tar all of them with the brush of this lone madman. Joining Piers Morgan to discuss the issue is congresswoman Rep. Nancy Mace, PBD Podcast’s ‘Angry Patriot’ Vinny Oshana, co-founder of Within Our Lifetime Nerdeen Kiswani and Retired U.S. Army Special Forces soldier Matt Tardio. Piers Morgan Uncensored is proudly independent and supported by: Dupe: Go to https://Dupe.com/PIERS today and find similar products for less. It’s 100% free to use. Stop wasting money on brand names and start saving with https://Dupe.com/PIERS today. Juvenon: Take care of your heart - Visit https://bloodflow7.com/Uncensored and Get 30% OFF your BloodFlow-7 order today Oxford Natural: To watch their full stories, scan the QR code on your screen or visit https://oxfordnatural.com/piers/ to get 70% off your first order when you use code PIERS. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I support deporting everybody at this point. I want everybody out. What about the many people who have not committed crimes? I don't want us to turn into Europe or the EU. Innocent people around the world are going to pay the price. They're scapegoating immigrants instead of looking at the real root of the problem, which is U.S. imperialism. It's not an attack on a Muslim community.

It's just a fact. None of what's been said so far about all of the people that were brought here passes any basic sanity test. Peters, who are we going to listen to? an actual US soldier who's been there that's been in the shit or a guy that plays Fortnite. And out of that 80,000, Stephen, you're acting like every day they're going to be bombing and everything.

Trump's been in for one year. This is just the tip of the iceberg. Two former heads of the UK Special Forces buried evidence of alleged war crimes by the SAS in Afghanistan according to shocking evidence given by a high-ranking officer to a public inquiry. The alleged crimes include the fatal shooting of a group of women and children as they hit under a mosquito net,

with their killer later receiving an award to divert public suspicion. I should stress these are just allegations, which the SAS vehemently denies, and we're very proud of all of our armed forces in this country. But it's a start reminder that Afghanistan was plunged into sheer hell by the war on terror. At least 46,000 civilians were killed in that war,

the real total likely to be much higher. Hundreds of thousands of Afghans work with the United States and the British forces, risking execution by the Taliban. As a final insult to injury, the withdrawal of U.S. forces under President Biden was a complete humiliating disaster. That's the context for why many Afghans were allowed to move to the United States and to the UK,

and the context is important. Tragically, one of those Afghans, a 29-year-old man who had worked with the CIA, shot two National Guard members in D.C. on the eve of Thanksgiving, killing one and severely injuring the other. A visibly angry, President Trump blamed the Biden administration. Why do you blame the Biden administration? Because they let them in. Are you stupid? Are you a stupid person? Because they came in on a plane, along with thousands of other people that shouldn't be here. And you're just asking questions because you're a stupid person. And there's a law passed that it's almost impossible not to get them out. You can't get them out once they come in. And they came in and they were unvetted. They were unchecked. There were many of them. And they came in on on big planes. And it was disgraceful.

Well, Trump has now halted all immigration requests from Afghanistan. The White House is now threatening to escalate deportations for Afghans, meaning many people who work with the United States against the Taliban could be returned to a country controlled by the Taliban. Earlier this year, it emerged thousands of Afghans and be secretly invited to the UK to avoid exactly that scenario. UK officials had accidentally outed them, endangering entire families, and the whole thing was shamefully covered up.

But once the mistake was exposed, what choice did Britain have? The issue surely is not the principle of helping Afghans who served our forces, but the way it's been done. This was Biden's Homeland Security Chief, Alejandro Mayorkis, testifying in the Senate. The standard procedure is an in-person interview for refugees or visa applicants. Now, you've testified that you're not doing those interviews. You are correct that we are not conducting in-person, full refugee interviews of 100% of the individual. What percentage are you conducting? I don't have that information.

What number have been interviewed? What percentage have been given an actual interview by a trained official before they come to the country? When you're speaking of a full refugee-like interview, I don't have that data. Well, Afghan groups in the United States are begging Trump not to tar all of them with the brush of his lone madman, but it's frankly hard to see any other outcome.

Many Afghans have paid a heavy price for other people's mistakes, on the price is about to get even higher. I'll be joined by my panel to discuss all this in a moment. First, joining me now is Republican congresswoman Nancy Mace. Congresswoman Mace, thank you very much indeed for rejoining me on Unsensitive. Of course, thank you for having me. This is obviously a horrifying incident to have happened with deadly consequences. What is your overview about the significance of it

and what America should do by way of response? Well, number one, my heart. heart bleeds for the families who are grieving today and who are praying for the second National Guardsman who's still fighting for his life. And I'm praying for Sarah's family. It's devastating. These soldiers volunteered their lives to protect our country. Shot, one murdered, assassinated, the other one fighting for his life right now. The second thing that I want to say is that I believe President Biden created this problem in Donald Trump. President Trump is the one cleaning it up. I agree with the president to go back and vet those individuals that came over here

from countries of concern because from what we're learning now, the vetting wasn't what it was supposed to be. It's deeply concerning. I also support President Trump in pausing the immigration for individuals that are coming from countries of concern. And thank God, President Trump got elected because he shut the border down. We know that under four years of President Biden, our southern border was wide open. We had hundreds of potential terrorists coming through the southern border every single year on the terrorist watch list.

And these are the kinds of things that we have to be very vigilant about. The problem with all this is not that Ramanula Le Canwal, the killer, became a terrorist and committed an act of terror against these two National Guard members. The problem is that prior to that,

he would have been categorized as somebody who'd been quite heroic, working for the United States as part of a secret unit of Afghans, hunting down the Taliban under CIA direction, often in highly dangerous missions. They were members of what was called zero units. They were among the most extensively vetted of any of the Afghans who worked with American forces. The CIA hailed their bravery, their skill, their loyalty,

and the agency prioritized their evacuation from Afghanistan following the fall of Kabul in 2021 because they were prime targets for the Taliban. So when you take everything in totality, obviously this character, like Kamwal, has gone crazy and has committed a despicable lack. But I guess my question for you is, given the background of him and people like him

who were risking their life on behalf of the United States, this adds a complexity to the story. doesn't it? Well, you're categorizing it as a collective group of individuals, a large group of individuals, that we had American soldiers that were bagging the U.S. to allow their translators to come over to the U.S. that work with them and help save American lives. And many people supported that. However, there were supposed to be a vetting mechanism to make sure that some people didn't slip through the cracks. And so we have not seen any more information about this individual And I would debate you on the problem isn't that he shot the guardsman.

It is the problem. I mean, he literally just murdered a young woman Friday. She died and passed away. Sarah died and passed away on Friday. So that is the crux of the problem. He came into our country. He murdered. Sure.

Don't get me wrong. Sorry, just to be clear, I completely concur with you about that. There's nothing about what he did that is anything other than a despicable act of terrorism and should be treated accordingly. I just think the complexity is in the way. way America now responds with all the other Afghan soldiers, for example, or translators, interpreters and so on, who came back after serving on behalf of the United States. That is the complexity of the bigger picture.

Well, that's where I want to see the DOJ and other agencies, DHS and others, explain how this individual was vetted. What information did we have? Was he vetted? Were there signs prior so that we can improve the vetting process going to? forward as well. And look, the president has said he wants to go back and vet all these individuals and I support him. It's going to be a long and arduous process, but we have to do that for the safety of American lives. And I fully support that. I think there's something to be learned from

this experience as well. I mean, the lesson it seems to me that could be most acutely learned from this is that he appears to have been suffering increasing problems in his life. One email cited by the Associated Press warned that Raman Nula has not been functional as a person, father and provider of March last year. He quit his job. He shut himself in a darkened room for days. He stopped responding even to his wife and older children. Should the United States government, when they bring people like this person back to the United States, albeit for well-intentioned reasons, yes, they should be properly vetted, obviously. But as we know from homegrown incidents involving American citizens who served and then go crazy, as we've seen in the UK, similar stories where perfectly decent, upstanding members of the armed forces go mad and commit terrible acts. It can happen, particularly if they've been to war. Yes, they should be properly vetted, but should there be an ongoing process of duty of care, stroke vetting, that continues, that flags up people like this who are clearly beginning,

to disintegrate in their lives? Well, I would be supportive of that. I don't know what the details of our vetting process are, or if they do continue. I mean, there might be some process that is already in place to watch people or monitor if there is suspicious behavior. But it's not just soldiers that go to war and come home that then become a risk.

There are a lot of people. We know that during COVID and coming out of COVID, a lot of mental illness came forward, and you talk about the transgender issue, There are a lot of mental health issues there, and we've seen people turn violent because of that. But it's not just soldiers. I think there's an even larger problem across the board of people taking to the streets and violating people, whether it's physical assault, shooting an ICE officer, burning down the streets of L.A., cars being blown up in L.A., you name it.

We do have a problem with violence, and it's not just in America. Look at the immigrants that have come into Europe and what they've done. I mean, you've got teenage girls in England trying to defend themselves with knives being threatened with arrest or being arrested because they don't want to be raped by these violent immigrants who are coming in from these countries of concern into their own countries. And so I think it's a much bigger problem across the board, not just in America, but everywhere. Stop wasting money on your Christmas shopping. Get the same gifts without the markup by using dupe.com. It's very simple. Before you buy online, enter the URL at dupe.com.

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In terms of action moving forward, there are those who are calling for the deportation of all Afghans who came into the US via the GAW, the Gore program. Do you support that? I support deporting everybody at this point. I mean, I'm looking at the Somalis in places like Michigan and Minnesota

that are using autism money from the government to fund terrorism at this point. I want everybody out. I just cannot. But what do you mean by everybody out? People that are coming to our country and doing harm, stealing government money, you know, marrying. But that's different. If they commit a crime, that that is a crime, though.

That is a fraud is a crime. No, no, I mean, sorry, just to be clear, to be clear, if they commit a crime, yes, I think there's absolutely, they should be deported. But what about the many people who have not committed crimes who've come from Afghanistan or Somalia? Well, we have a history in our country. of embracing people who've come from war and torn countries and are seeking asylum, who are seeking those sorts of things. Those are the things that America believes in and we support. But we've allowed all these people in who have broken, we've allowed people to illegally cross our border, steal money from our government, you know, and just get away with it. And I'm quite frankly, like most Americans,

sick and tired of it. And then I don't want us to turn into Europe or the EU. You're seeing what's going on over there. And if we continue down the path we are right now, we're going to be just like, just like them, and we can't have that here. Right, but just to be clear then, because I'm not quite clear what your position is, you would deport all Afghans and all Somalians in the United States? Those who are committing crimes are at risk of committing crimes, I want them out.

I want them out of the country. Those who've committed crimes, I'm with you, but those who look like they're likely to, how do you assess that? Well, we were just talking about the vetting process. If they look suspicious, I want them out. At this point, I don't even care. I want the safety of our country to be, primary concern number one. And that's what President Trump is doing. He's the one that's looking

at it. He's cleaning up the problem that Joe Biden created. And I fully supported. I mean, I want a crackdown. I don't want anybody coming from any of these countries of concern. I'm fine with stopping all immigration from Afghanistan or Pakistan. You know, these places where people are coming in and appear to try to be doing harm. I want it to stop. We've got to look out for American citizens. We have to put them first. Just switching to something else, the Epstein Files, you've long champion the victims of sexual abuse, a horror you've talked about enduring yourself, and you've teamed up with Marjorie Talley Green to campaign for the release of the Epstein Files. They still haven't been released. There are growing concerns that when they do get

released, they may have heavy redactions. Do you think that is going to assuage the concerns of the American people, or do you think they should just be put out there? I think we need to put this thing through regardless. I think that I have the same concerns as the American people about over-redacting. I also have concerns about information that won't be redacted. I am very concerned that names of victims will be included. So I'm actually been in communication with the DOJ to make sure that that does not happen. I want to make sure that we're protecting the victims and any possible child sexual abuse material, et cetera. But I am concerned that the information won't get out there. I am concerned that predators and rapists and sex

traffickers won't get prosecuted out of this thing, no matter how many fights. are released. I'm deeply concerned about that. We've seen it in so many cases, whether it's Jeffrey Epstein, whether it's the investigation that I initiated two years ago. It just feels like if you're a woman and you come forward, you are ignored because you are not believed, regardless of the evidence that is out there. And those are the things that I'm fighting for, every woman, every girl, and some men, too, by the way, who've had, who've been victims of this sort of thing. And that's where I think there's such deep frustration in both parties. It's not just Republicans and Democrats. What I learned through Epstein is that both sides, whether you're Republican,

Democrat, Independent, they want the truth. They want predators to go to the jail. And that just doesn't happen in this country. And I'm, you know, looking, I'm running for governor right now. I'm looking at the justice system in South Carolina where murderers walk free, where rapists see no jail time, where child molesters get a day in jail. I mean, that's the kind of justice system that I'm seeing every single day in bright red South Carolina. And I'm saying enough is enough. And Epstein is only the beginning. Has the Epstein scandal been badly handled by the Trump administration? They took everybody up the hill saying we're going to release it all,

and then they shut it all down. And it seems like they've been kind of bullied now into being properly transparent. Are you disappointed with how long it's taken them to release this? Well, when I set the record straight, number one, President Trump never asked me to get off the discharge petition. There were rumors out there about that sort of thing. He never did that. Number two, we saw President Trump come around and say, release all the files.

Even before that, it was President Trump who said, hey, release all of the jury files from the indictments, release all those files. It was President Trump that kicked Jeffrey Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago. It was President Trump, who my understanding is did sit down with authorities. And according to those emails, Jeffrey Epstein thought that President Trump was the snitch. So, you know, we're talking about a man who hasn't been given. and I believe enough credit. And when we were voting on releasing the file,

I was getting to 218 on the just charge petition, all the press wanted to do was say President Trump's name over and over again. And I sat there with deep frustration saying, what about the stories of the women? What about the stories of the men who raped 14-year-old girls? What about the innocence of these women who was stolen at a very young age and never gotten back and nobody's ever gone to jail? It's not the president.

The president was there, I believe, protecting women. And I've seen President Trump, like, just a couple weeks ago. He helped me get brain surgery for a young woman. He helped me bail another woman out of a Bosnian prison a couple of weeks ago over a very minor passport issue. So anytime I've gone to the president for an issue

with a woman or a girl, he's just always been there and supported us. So, you know, I've just been very protective of him and I think he's done a great job as president. As a friend of both of them, are you sad about the split between him and Marjorie Telegram? I don't like any party violence. inside the party. I don't like it at all. I think that we need to be united in fighting the far left

and what they've done to the country, the invasion, the crime, you know, those sorts of things. And so I don't like to see any. But, you know, look, I can't, I'm not going to be a hypocrite here either, though. I think it's important to call our own party out. I mean, I've called Congressman Corey Mills of Florida out for stolen valor and alleged abuses toward women. So I think it's important that when you're holding people accountable, you can't just look at the opposite party, your opposition, your political opposition, you need to look inside your own party as well and do the same thing no matter what their affiliation is. Have you offered to be the Kofi Annan peacemaker between the two warring factions?

That's a great idea. I have not yet, but that's honestly, that's not a bad idea. I'm seeing a peace summit at your office with the president and Marjorie. I would love that. Let's do it. Congressman, thank you very much indeed for joining me. I appreciate it. As always. Joining me to debate at this, PBD podcast, Angry Patriot, Binnie Ashana, liberal streamer, Destiny, the co-founder within our lifetime, Nadine Kazwani,

and Matt Tardillo, who's a podcaster and retired US Army Special Forces soldier. Well, welcome to all of you. Let me start with you, Nadine. Welcome back to Unsensored. Obviously, this is a despicable act of terrorism against two members of the National Guard and has rightly caused outrage. At the same time,

there are calls for now every Afghan that was brought to the United States, many of whom risk their own lives during the war to fight against the Taliban to now be deported back to Afghanistan where they could meet possible death at the hands of a Taliban they fought. So this is a complicated issue. What is your view about what has happened here? I mean, as you mentioned, I believe in the previous segment, the shooter previously served in one of the U.S.-backed paramilitary,

military units in Afghanistan that's been funded by the CIA. So I think if the U.S. had never invaded or occupied Afghanistan and never built or armed proxy forces, the shooter or someone like him wouldn't have ended up here, you know, committing the act that he did. So, you know, this is constant blowback. And we see this time and time. Well, you could go back further, though, couldn't you? If you were being reasonable about it, you could go back to if Osama bin Laden hadn't

ordered the terror attacks on the World Trade Center that killed nearly 3,000 people, then it wouldn't have been necessary for US forces to go into the country that had been harboring. But who funded Al-Qaeda? I mean, it's the same argument. Again, you can go back as long as you want, but I think to put it in context, obviously the reason that the United States were fighting in Afghanistan was as a response to 9-11. So that is the context.

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I mean, and the fact that the National Guard shouldn't have been in D.C. to begin with. I mean, Sarah, the woman who was shot, had told her boyfriend that she felt like being there was pointless. You know, it's really a show of force to distract from multiple things that Trump ran on and failed on. He ran on affordability. He ran on ending foreign wars. Yet they're trying to enact regime change in Iran and Venezuela. They're continuing to arm genocide and Gaza continuing to arm the bombing of Lebanon. And at the end of the day, this is, you know, going to create blowback where people in the U.S.

are going to pay the price. People around the world, innocent people around the world are going to pay. pay the price, whether with their tax dollars, with their lives, with the decline of the economy. And this is all a distraction at the end of the day. They're scapegoating immigrants instead of looking at the real root of the problem, which is U.S. imperialism, wreaking havoc, pillaging people around the world and not caring, not doing anything to solve these issues here. I mean, like you also mentioned in the previous segment, how many U.S. veterans come back and commit violence, at home. You know, so I don't think it's an isolated incident, and they just want to use

what happened in D.C. to scapego all immigrants instead of looking at the real cause of the issue. The Warhawks and Neocons in Washington, the architects of occupation and regime change in Afghanistan, Syria, Venezuela, creating the instability that forces people to flee. I mean, you know, one minute they're calling people HTS and other groups in Syria terrorists, the other minute they're meeting with them, then they're funding them. You know, it's a moment. all political convenience. All right. Vinnie Ashana, your response to that? Well, first of all, saying that, oh, if he wasn't, if Sarah wasn't in Washington dressing

uniform, she wouldn't get shot, it's complete bullshit. Because guess what? If it wasn't her, you don't think this Afghani terrorist would have found somebody else to shoot just a regular person. And I'm going to go back, Pierce, this all goes down. And as my veteran brother will attest, the most abysmal withdrawal Afghanistan. We can talk about why we're there, and I'll agree with you with 9-11 and all that was complete BS, everything that followed 9-11 with the illegal war.

But how do you bomb a country for 20 years? And then Biden, with Alejandro Majorcas, you let in 80,000 people, no documentation. You can't vet them. There's no paperwork on them. And what do you expect for them to do while they're here? And that's exactly what happened. Okay? You can't assume that these people are going to love America.

They hate America, peers. They absolutely hate America, and there needs to be accountability for Majorcas and the entire administration for letting these people in. On top of Afghanistan, what about our border? There's two million getaways, peers. That's the freaking population of Nebraska. We don't know who they are. We don't know what their intentions are. And these people hate America, peers, plain and simple.

There's no paperwork. There's no nothing. And this is just the tip of the iceberg. This is just the tip of the iceberg. What this guy gets to Sarah, God rest of our soul, it's not going to stop. just like she just said, it's going to keep happening, it's going to keep getting worse, and Trump has no other choice. Pierce, it's funny how everybody blames Trump because this is the situation he's been giving.

But nobody, nobody on the left wants to blame Biden and Alejandro Majorcas. Why is that? Why is that? I'm just curious. Okay. Anybody. Anybody explain that to me. Well, let me bring Matt Tadio in. You're a former U.S. Army Special Forces soldier. You served in Afghanistan. First of all, it seems to me that the crux of this problem, there's been a catastrophic failure, both in the withdrawal that we all watched in horror on television, the way that was carried out, which involves a lot of deaths at the time.

There was a sense of a duty of care to many Afghans who had served alongside U.S. forces and U.K. forces and others. To preserve their safety from the Taliban, they had been attacking, which made perfect sense. But there's also been a systematic failure, it seems, of vetting with many people who were brought back to the United States not being properly vetted, not even having face-to-face interviews. So the whole thing seems to have been incredibly badly handled. What is your view here about, first of all, what happened with these two National Guardsmen and what this Afghani retired soldier had done? Yeah, what happened to the two National Guardsmen was clearly an act of terror. that 100% make no mistake about it. It was an act of terror.

And just because he ended up serving with U.S. forces over inside of Afghanistan for a period of time doesn't ensure that he is not going to commit acts of terror at one point in time over in Afghanistan for a very long period of time. We ended up having something called the Guardian Angel program where we would have to have soldiers dedicated to watching our backs at all times 24-7 to make sure we weren't getting shot in the back. These were known as green on blue incidents. They were profound. They were happening all the time. One of our officers ended up getting shot in the head while he was on a Skype. call with his wife, right? The guy ended up walking in to the place where he was making this phone

call and shot him right in the back of the head, right? This is not in isolated and seeing things like this happen. And it's also not the only time, all right? And we are not painting all Afghans this way. I was talking to a man who I signed his SIV paperwork to come into the United States of America that I know is a good, honest, hard-loving, hardworking citizen. A lot of these people have done more for the United States of America than most Americans. However, comma, that doesn't take away from the fact that they were not vetted and that we did have terrorists coming to this country. Joe Kent, Joe Kent went before Congress and testified and stated that we've had thousands, thousands of known terrorist-affiliated Afghans coming to the United States of America

because they were not vetted. I have interviewed the soldiers and Marines who were on the ground at H. Kaya over in Kabul. And they will tell you that they weren't even given proper training on the paperwork that they should have been screening before they were coming on the base. And then you had members from the Department of State that would walk up to them and tell them, about the paperwork or add different things going on to it. It was an absolute joke. And so, yes, we do need to make sure we're going through and we do need to make sure that we're properly betting these people. It's not an attack on the Muslim community. It's just a fact. US isn't deep, destabilizing the Middle East. You've given some fascinating background there

and some color to it. But you've also highlighted, I guess, the problem here and how it gets dealt with in terms of going forward. Because there are clearly some Afghan people that were brought back from the war that you believe are good decent people who served America's interests at great personal risk to their own lives, who you, I presume you would feel that there's a duty of care to and that they should be allowed to stay. So how do you determine who stays and who is thrown out? By doing the proper due diligence, people that got on the airplane that had photocopies of somebody else's paperwork have absolutely no business being in the United States of America. And unfortunately, because of Joe Biden, we have to go back and

check all of this paperwork to make sure the right people are here in this country. I spoke to one of those Afghans just the other day, who's here living in the United States of America, and he's just as pissed off as everybody else in the country because these jihadists are wrecking the United States and are trying to kill Americans. Over inside of Fort Worth, Texas, there was a terror attack that just got thwarted by DPS authorities over outside of Texas. Last year in November, there was two Afghan-IS-affiliated terrorists that got arrested that were going to plan an election day.

shooting terror attack. They bought hundreds of rounds of ammunition and 2K or AK-47s from an, you know, an informant. And so again, they just got busted and they got sentenced last week. Now, Trump came out on, what was it, Friday, and he said on Friday that we're going to be looking over everybody else's paperwork, and then all of the sudden this terror attack ends up happening, right? So it was a Friday before the terror attack. Trump had came out and said that, and it was two days after the sentencing for one of those terrorists. This is not an isolated incident. It's 100 percent of the fault of the vetting of what took place on the ground. Pierce, not just me, not just me, but tons of my brothers ended up getting signal messages during the Afghan withdrawal telling us that we'd get paid

thousands of dollars if we had an active passport and we'd get our butts to the East Coast. That's how piss poor this operation was planned. And so to sit here and pretend like people hanging off the side of a C-17 and falling to their death was somehow a great operation. And we managed to properly vet everybody is a joke. It's an absolute joke. Even May Orcas admitted in a separate interview with Lindsay Graham for a conference. congressional inquiry. Even he admitted there is no way that he can 100% state that we have vetted 100% of these people. Not properly vetted, just vetted. It just didn't happen. It didn't occur. Today's show is sponsored by Oxford Natural, makers of the optimum day and optimum night all natural

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And they do commit appalling acts. That has happened. We don't know yet really enough about what this person did, Le Camwell, other than it appears he was debiling us. tier rating in his own life, stopped talking to his wife, his kids, and so on, clear red flags being put up here, but may have been going. We just don't know. I don't want to suppose what it was.

But it may have been that he was just going through a severe PTSD-style reaction to his warfare, whatever, and then went crazy and commits this terrible act. No amount of vetting, I don't know if he was vetted or not yet, but no amount of betting would pick up that. Do you think there's also a failure of duty of care ongoing with veterans of all kinds, whether they're U.S. citizens or foreign nationals

who serve with the U.S. military brought back to the United States. Yeah, you know, I think there is a real misconception on what PTSD is and how it actually works. I'm a huge PTSD advocate for our veterans, and I do think that there needs to be a hell of a lot more care that gets poured into our veterans. At the same time, using PTSD as an excuse doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

Why would he go target to? U.S. service members if he was having problems with PTSD after disappearing for several months because he was fighting side by side with them. He wouldn't certainly go shoot them in a head, right? So you think he got radicalized? We have had. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. 100%. You know, we know that probably he got out around 2017, 2018 estimated right now until we get all the paperwork that ends up coming out. So you have a big time gap right there, a huge time gap. Now those guys over inside of Oklahoma that ended up getting a lested last year for the Election Day plot.

They were also here on SIVs. Some of them allegedly didn't have proper paperwork when they came to the country. Biden administration ends up grinning it to them anyways. Now, at the same time over in Afghanistan, 2016, 17, 18, we got really hot and heavy into the war against ISIS-K. How Nadine ended up saying that, listen, the Taliban aren't the people of Afghanistan. That's a lie. I hate to tell you that, but it's a lie.

The Taliban, quite literally, are the people of Afghanistan. Unless you're talking about the Pakistani Taliban, then it's a different story. But then we can go into history and we can talk about the, border issues that ended up happening with a drunk British officer and Russians going into Afghanistan and pushing them across the border. The people inside of Afghanistan, 100% are the Taliban. In 2012, when I was over there, it was very rare to see a Taliban flag flying across the villages. In 2016, 17 and 18 when I was over there, they were everywhere. Pierce, my very last operation driving off of a target back to the base. There's Taliban flags just flying all throughout these

villages. They have cemeteries with Taliban flags planted everything. You had police officers, military, everybody that was like affiliated with the Taliban in one way, shape, or form. We can even get workers to come on to camp with proper vetting because they also had affiliations with ISIS and the Taliban. It's not a joke. This needs to get looked at. And absolutely, the people that served side by side with U.S. veterans over there have every right, in my opinion, and most veterans' opinions to be in this country because they

have done more for this country than most Americans. But to sit here and try to claim that we're going after Muslims or that we're going after anybody else is a lie. those same Muslims that myself and my brothers invited into this country and signed our name to would stand side by side and vouch for the exact same things that I'm saying, that there is evil in that country and that it is involved within the civilian population and trying to claim otherwise is a freaking lie. And it's doing absolutely nobody any good.

And those types of lies are what gets people killed inside of the United States of America. Well, it seems like the U.S. made the problem worse because in your own statement, you said when you first started going into there, you didn't see the Taliban flag, and then by the time, you know, decades later, you know, it's worse. And it's the destabilization in the power vacuum. Let's talk about it. No, it's not destabilization in a power vacuum. There's a power vacuum and destabilization that existed before we went there.

That's just a fact, right? The Taliban ran the country. We ended up putting it in a government. The United States government has absolutely zero business as far as I'm concerned or most veterans are concerned going in and trying to conduct a regime change in any type of country. We suck when it comes to nation building. Our records horrible.

Even if we look at Iraq and we talk about what's going on over in of Iraq and then trying to pass laws for nine-year-old girls to be able to get married to grown men. That's not exactly what I would call a huge victory for democracy. But over inside of Afghanistan, the moment we pull out, the moment we pull out, we have six-year-old girls getting married off to grown men. 10% of the girls inside of Afghanistan under the age of 15 end up getting married off. And I think it's an absurd number. It's like 60% or something like that end up getting married off before they're even 18.

And this is their family selling them off to older grown men. And don't even get me started on chai boys. To sit here and pretend like you shouldn't be bad. I do want to bring, okay, listen, hang on, hang on, hang on, I just want to bring in, hang on, Adin. I will come back to you. I do want to bring in Destiny's being waiting very patiently. Destiny, you posted on X.

They, the National Guards, weren't protecting D.C. They couldn't even make arrests. They were sent there to die by Donald Trump and his cronies so they could wild up the base to distract them from the monumental failing. of every single part of this administration. Now, people have criticized you for this because they say it just shouldn't matter whether they were there for legitimate reasons

or whether you questioned the politics behind it or whatever. That shouldn't mean that they are a target for terrorists. The main point is that Donald Trump is using whatever he can to expand his power over the executive to send more troops to whatever state or district he wants for no other reason than to just antagonize the population. The idea that you can send a thousand National Guardsmen to D.C. or to California to places where he's currently losing federal cases about his authority to even do this and somehow magically fix all the crime there is the naivety of a 12-year-old.

None of what's been said so far about all of the people that were brought here passed as any basic sanity test. There were some 77,000 people that came from Afghanistan. The idea that we didn't vet any of them and only one or two extreme instances of any kind of violence or planned violence has happened just doesn't. doesn't pass a basic sanity test. Where are all of the terrorist attacks that should be happening? If we really brought over almost 80,000 people and didn't vet them at all. Also, the idea that there was no vetting whatsoever is contraindicated by the statements of our own government. Well, nobody's saying there was no vetted.

Well, they're not saying there was no vetting down. Just to be clear, nobody is saying there was no vetting. But what is crystal clear is that they weren't all vetted. And what is also crystal clear is that some of the people who were brought over have clearly either were radicalized to start with a slip through the net or have become radicalized since arriving in the U.S. That is a danger to the United States citizens. We have no idea why this shooting happened. Anybody jumping on your Nancy Mesa's, the two gentlemen on this panel.

Okay, then how do you account for the guy last week that was planning on building a car bomb literally talked about putting explosives inside of a car over in Fort Worth and attacking Americans that were against the Afghans and against the Taliban? The reason why you haven't seen massive to note. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, we're talking about vetting. No, no, no, no, we're talking about vetting Afghans. We're talking about vetting Afghans here in the United States of America. You want to talk about that guy.

You don't want to talk about the Afghan that was planning on building a car bomb. No, no, no. The topic isn't about that guy. Who is the one who negotiated the poll out from Afghanistan? You're so far off. I'm carrying. You're so far off. It's not even funny.

Tell me. Can you even say who negotiated the plan? Can you even say who negotiated the plan? I'll tell you that Donald Trump negotiated the plan. negotiated the plan and on congressional record in November, and this comes from the former Joint Chief of Staff in November, Donald Trump planned to do the pullout. Then when the Joint Chief went to him and told him, no, no, no, you can't do that because the Taliban's going to take over. Donald Trump immediately resented the order within 24 hours. It was under Joe Biden

that is not true. The whole Doha agreement was on the Congressional record. Go look at the congressional record. You might not like to Destiny, but it's a fact. We just hear it's a The Doha Agreement was on it. If we want to just make up stuff, I mean, that's cool. The Doha Agreement was done by Trump. Then the Taliban violated the Doha Agreement, so we weren't going to pull out. That's why Joe Biden fell in into the situation that he did. Now, you might not like facts.

One of Donald Trump's chief complaints was when he left office, the military ignored his orders. Hang on. Hang on. Let me jump in. Let me jump in. Look, what is in arguable is that when the withdrawal happened, the president was Joe Biden. And he had been for many months. It was on his...

Hang on. Hang on. Who granted the shooter of the two-d-seater asylum? He could have ripped up any plans if you wanted to. He went ahead with that plan and it was a total fiasco. And we all watched it on live television. Let's not trying let Biden off the hook. He can blame Trump if you want.

We're not letting Biden off the hook right now. Pierce, I don't know what you guys are over in the UK. I like to hold... Hang on. I like to hold president for account for what happens on their watch. I think it's a fair thing to do. And this shooting happened. On Trump's watch, yes?

The shooting right now happened on Trump's watch. Yes, he did. So the question, so the question then becomes, the question then becomes. And the week prior to that, he said we need to, in the week prior to the shooting, he said we need to go through and revet everybody, didn't he? Did he not? Didn't you just say, didn't you just say that we need to go through and revet them? Tell me how they're going to revet them?

That's exactly how you revet them. I said that they have photocopies of paperwork, and that comes from testimony of Marines and soldiers that were on the ground saying that there were photocopying paperwork and that members from the Department of State would go up to the soldiers that were on the ground, screening the paperwork, and at times told them, don't even worry about it because it's all screwed up at this point. That's what ended up happening. How do you have?

How do you have almost 80,000 of these guys over here? It's not exactly what you want. There's over 100,000. If there are 80,000 of them, 100,000, and I just explained it to you. I saw brought in under this particular program. Why would you know what the more vetted? Destiny. We're all of the terrorists.

Destiny, why would you not want the more vetted? A vehicle born ID. Hang on, hang on, man. Hang on, Matt. Hang on, Matt. My question for destiny is, why would you not want all of them revetted in light of this appalling attack? Because this is security theater. It's a waste of time to say we're going to revet.

A waste of time. It's like when Doves said we're going to see any more of being radicalized given they work. Are you going to revet every single? It doesn't mean anything. What do you mean? What does that even mean? You just. You check their credentials to see if they're here on false credentials.

And if they are, that raises a massive red flag. Why would they have been granted entrance into the United States if they were here under false credentials? That is well-known. Destiny, do you, Destiny, do you know how the SIV program works? The special immigrant visa program works for these Afghans that were coming here to the United States, what they needed to have paperwork-wise in order to vet them? Yes or no? Yes, I do. okay perfect so guys like me who put my name on an official memorandum and said this person should be here here's my contact information now if somebody sends me an email that says is this the person you vouched for and the face looks like somebody else and i say no that's how you properly vet them there's a lot of different ways you can go about doing it and when there's multiple copies of the same paperwork for different people that ended up coming into this country somebody's getting kicked out and when we have

somebody that plan on conducting a vehicle born iED attack in texas just a couple of days ago that got busted for doing it, you don't think it's important. You would rather watch Americans get blown up and get killed and offend somebody. You could have a, please stop with the virtue signal. You only have so much time. You're making the claim that we could have, you're making the claim that we could have vetted this stuff before it ever got to the United States. Again, for this recent shooting, we don't even know what the, what the motivation was. There's no guarantee this guy had five kids and lived in Washington. How are you going to, what are you vetting for to even know that these guys We know what the motivation is for the...

We know what the motivation is for the two guys in Oklahoma, and we know what the motivation is for the guy down in Dallas. All Afghans here on SIVs. And what would you have that for that motivation? Is that enough for it? Let me bring in Vinny. I want to bring in Vinny. Let me bring in the others.

I want to bring in Vinny. Vinny. Well, I want to say one thing, with all due respect, I'm not going to call a grown man destiny. His name is Steven. So, Stephen, I mean, Pierce, who are we going to listen to? An actual U.S. soldier who's been there that's been in the shit or a guy that plays Fortnite.

You play video games. You have known. idea what the hell you're talking about. How about this, Stephen? How about not let zero of them in here? Zero, because we were bombing the shit out of them for 20 years, and you can't vet them. He's actually making good point. You can't vet them because people have different freaking motives. And out of that 80,000, Stephen, you're acting like every day they're going to be bombing and everything. Trump's been in for one year. This is the tip of the iceberg. And it's going to keep on happening. Hold on. Hold on. See, let me finish. How many people do you

need to see if there's a single bad immigrant from any country? You've been all of them? Is that The standard crime is zero. Guess what? They might be Biden their time. Stephen, there might be Biden their time. And I'm sorry with all due respect. I don't want to listen to any. I don't want to listen to any.

Let me finish. Let me finish. Stephen, Stephen, are you the guy that was celebrating the fireman, Corey Compitur that was shot? You were celebrating that he died at Butler. You're the same guy that said consumers need to be afraid. The only person that celebrates the United States is your guy. I know exactly who you are.

The public needs to know who you are. You're blaming. You're blaming Trump. Yeah. You're blaming Trump for everything. You guys have nothing to say about it. Listen, Stephen, you are a scumb- I don't even know why they're listening.

Who wants to listen to your opinion on any matter, on any matter? But guess what? It's the tip of the iceberg. And guess what? Let me ask Vinny a question. Vinny, Vinny, here's the problem I have with simply saying, don't let any of them in. And if they're all here, throw them all out.

A lot of these people, as we've heard from that, who served alongside some of them, a lot of them are good, decent people who were properly vetted, who have lived in America now for a number of years with their families, committed no crimes, giving no indication they're going to commit any crimes, are not radicalized. And we all know if they get sent back to Afghanistan and they are identified as people that worked alongside US forces against the Taliban, we may as well execute them

before they even get there, because that is what the fate will be if they get back to Afghanistan. So I feel very uncomfortable, because the same situation applies to people in the UK, I feel very uncomfortable about these interpreters and other service people who may even have fought alongside our troops, who were fighting the Taliban because of this one incident and others, and Matt's right, there have been others too, but it's a small number so far that we take thousands of people, many of whom most of whom most people. Most of whom would be completely blameless, other than they helped us, and we throw them to the Taliban walls. Would you be comfortable, and we suddenly see scenes on television released by the Taliban of them executing all these people who risk their lives for us?

No, I wouldn't feel good, peers, but you know what? All that aside, I'm an American first, okay? And I don't want one American dying from anybody from another country that we've been bombing, peers. with all the compassion and that suicidal empathy bullshit doesn't flow with me. Why should anybody, Bavini, why should anyone ever help the United States or the UK in a war again in the way that they helped us in that war against the Taliban if we just throw them all to the walls and at least of them being executed? Nobody would.

Pierce, guess what? Don't get into these stupid-ass wars then. Will I agree with her? No, I agree with her. Then don't get into these wars, peers. But at the end of the day, Peers, America first, American lives. While everybody who's eating turkey and having a good time, think about that girl's family, Sarah's whole family, grieving and bearing their damn daughter.

I'm sorry, peers, I am so sorry. As a veteran, as a child from legal immigrant parents that came into the right process, I'm sorry. I want that many Americans to die. Can you see that number? Zero. Zero. So we have to take everybody out and revet them.

And I actually do agree with Stephen too. How are you going to vet? There's no paperwork. There's no, how do you know? You just bring them in and go, oh, yeah, I trust you. You love America. All right. Let me bring.

Sorry, I'm sorry. It's a shitty situation that Trump didn't start. Okay, Nadine, your response to that. How do you feel about the war he's starting in Venezuela right now? If you want to do no more wars and you've got Donald Trump on the precipice of trying to do regime change in South America. So, Stephen, are those most fishermen? No one of those most fishermen?

Are those guys fishing? Now we have the excuses. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. The challenge ability for this guy. The shooters in the U.S. I was trying to say stay on topic.

Linda Dean speak. No, I think one thing that, you know, people haven't focused on enough is the fact that violence begins violence, that the violence that the U.S. imperialists, you know, take on abroad will come back to the U.S., whether it's through immigrants or people, you know, who families go back generations in the U.S. Look at the attempted, you know, Trump, the person who attempted to assassinate Donald Trump, Look at the person who assassinated Charlie Kirk. You know, these aren't migrants.

These are people, you know, who've lived here. So the U.S. continuously being involved in violence abroad has only made this situation worse. And there isn't these types of mass shootings happening all around the world. This is something that we see exclusively happening in the U.S. And instead of that being addressed, mental health being addressed, you know, pulling out of wars across the world, you know, we have ice raids that are basically. just a show of force, you know, wreaking havoc on cities like New York City, an ice raid was thwarted here just a couple days ago from protesters. And then Palestinian activists like Mahsan Mahdawi, like Mahmoud Khalil, being targeted,

you know, so at the end of the day, this isn't about betting. Nadine, do you think that undocumented immigrants in America who commit crimes unconnected to their immigrant status should be deported? I mean, that's not what's been happening, They've been going after people. No, I know. I know. I have the same concerns about those who have not committed other crimes.

But do you think specifically that if they're undocumented and they commit another crime, they should be deported? You know, I think at the end of the day, these things should, you know, play out. It's either yes or no, isn't it? I mean, I just think there is universal agreement pretty much that, well, not universal. People are being accused of crimes that they didn't commit, you know. But if they're convicted of a crime. If they're convicted of a crime.

If they're convicted of a crime. a thought crime. If they're convicted of a crime. He was accused of a thought crime. So I'm not going to say that somebody if they're convicted of a crime. It should be deported. Right.

Okay. But that's a problem. First of all, if you're in the United States on a visa screaming, globalize the antifata, your ass needs deported, period, end of discussion.

Exactly. Would you like to explain what the first and second antifadas are? Would you like to? Because they want to say globalize the crime and that's a deplorable offense. Explain what the first and second antifada word. This is why your question is a strong in. The first and second antifata word.

Go ahead. Explain the first and second antifata. and then we'll discuss why they shouldn't live here in the United States. I don't care what it means. Explain what it actually means. Explain what it actually means. Explain what it actually means. Okay, you want to avoid the question.

I'll say it for you. It's twice when Palestinians decided that they would go into Israel. And the father means, I speak Russian. What's your point? And I don't care what it means. It's also what it means in context, right? So when a Palestinian calls and claims globalize the antifada, it don't mean globalize the resistance.

They mean go after the oppressors and start. killing people. Palestinians also believe, also believe that the land of Palestine is all encompassing of Israel. The first of the time, and Hamas is talking about what happened during the second. And it doesn't matter. They go in and they murder people. So you're talking about going into murdering people. That's what it's actually talking about. That is the answer. No, no, no, no. It's not contextualizing. It's what legitimately happened is part of history. They went in and they murdered people. It's a fact. They went in and they murdered people. That's a fact. And Israel has globalized the Antibata. All right. We're moving. We're moving off a topic. You can take your answer.

Antifada and you go to Palestine and go kill your own people. This is why your question becomes so loaded here. We'll debate that another time. I want to give a final word to destiny. You've not had as much time as the other. So what would you finally have to say your destiny? I mean, I would ask you the same question. This all comes back to the overall immigration policy of the United States right now.

It seems to me most Americans agree with the pretty well shutting down of the southern border. They think that's a good thing for American security to not let. millions of people come in illegal on the southern border. And most Americans I've talked to on this show and privately agree with deporting people who are undocumented and commit other crimes. Do you agree that those first two things are a good thing? Broadly speaking, yeah, I think we have to have a secure border. We have to know who's coming into the country.

And we have to be able to remove people from this country, especially people that are committing real crimes. If you have a traffic ticket, I don't know. But like if you're a felon or you're committing any kind of violence, of course. Absolutely. I think almost every American would agree with that. The issue is that, one, is that people aren't always honest about their immigration positions. So you've got Tomato Vinny over here who wants no immigrants or wants to, what's the term they're using a re-immigrate, wants to deport every non-white immigrant or everybody from a country that they don't like and then restart the process or realistically, just not bring any of them back at all. So when you try to have the conversations, you can't even give any ground because the people on the other side aren't even honest about what their positions are, number one. And the number two, even if you have strong feelings about immigration or what immigration, immigration policy should look like. You should hate the way that Donald Trump is doing it, because Donald Trump has taken a position where there is, you know, Charlie called these 80, 20 positions, right? Deporting people who have committed violent crimes is a position that almost every American

would agree with it. If Donald Trump would have gone to every state and it said, let's into your state prisons, let's go through who the illegal immigrants are who have committed felons or class A misdemeanors or whatever, and let's deport them. That's a policy that any Democratic governor is standing against is going to be incredibly unpopular. But instead you've got Christy Noem, who doesn't even know what habeas corpus is, who's lying left and right about almost every part of everything in her job, is standing on a building with a camera, showing the horrible protest with like a guy in a frog suit

and seven people recording it with iPhones. You've got the most ineffective administration ever. Their deportations are not on schedule. They're never going to deport the amount of people that came in under Biden. They lie constantly about the number of people that came in under Biden. The last number of Trump said it was 30 million. They would have to deport like 20,000 people a day for four years to even hit this number. All of it is just ridiculous and absurd.

So if you really wanted to deport the people that were here illegally, even if that was the thing that you wanted, Trump has been one of the most ineffective leaders ever when it comes to those deportations. And every single time he talks about it, the first word out of his mouth is Biden, Biden, Biden, Biden, Biden. It's fault that this guy was that did the shootings was brought to this country, despite the fact that it was Biden's Department of Homeland Security that ultimately granted his asylum. It's Biden's fault that all the illegal immigrants came in. Despite the fact that illegal immigration was tending up under Trump, even more than Obama. It's everything is Biden's fault. The buck has to stop with the president. at some point, and Trump has failed on every single metric. You know what it boils down to, though? What it boils down to, and this terror attack is actually part of the problem, is that, as you say, every country needs a border, or it's not a country, just de facto, but also you've got to know who's coming into your country. And that's the bottom line. Everything actually all roads, whether it's the original part of our debate or the way it's moved,

all of it comes back to who should be in the country. How do you vet those people? I've repeated this many times this year. When I apply for my visa, it is a long, laborious process of paperwork and lawyers and money, and I do it the correct and proper way. And then I get my visa and I'm very happy and proud to have it. But if people just waltz over the border, it doesn't just piss people like me off who've done it the hard way. It pisses off everybody else in the United States who's come in legally and properly.

And we have the same issue in the UK. And it's the same issue in many countries around the world now. You've got to protect your border. and you've got to know who's coming in, and you've got to get rid of the people who do not suit the values of your country or hate your country, and want to commit crimes in your country,

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