Piers Morgan Uncensored - “They Have WOKE RABIES!” Election Debate Feat Francesca Fiorentini & Ashley St. Clair

Episode Date: November 4, 2024

We are in the last 48 hours before the polls open in the US and the American people will decide their president; and tangentially, the political trajectory of the entire world. While Trump has enjoyed... favourable odds and predictions up until this point, the most recent polls have Kamala Harris crawling back to make this race neck and neck. With so little between the candidates’ polling numbers, and so much to analyse, Piers Morgan is going to need some help. For this special US election panel, Piers is joined by editor of TownHall.com and Fox News contributor Katie Pavlich, host of the Bitchuation Room podcast Francesca Fiorentini, political commentator and author of “Elephants are not Birds” Ashley St Clair and host of the Democracy-Ish podcast Wajahat Ali. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is it, decision time. After the wildest campaign in living memory, The best way forward is the past the torch for a new generation. It's been a bit of a whirlwind. I grew up a middle-class kid. We got a war going on and she's out partying. It is clear he has become increasingly unhinged. America chooses its next president.
Starting point is 00:00:23 Harris is closing with Star Power. Nice to see you, Kamala. It is nice to see you, Kamala. All we need is a president who works. for all of us. I can't stand a bully. But just like Kamala, I always stand up to one.
Starting point is 00:00:39 Trump with firepower. She's a radical war hawk. Let's put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrel shooting at her, okay? Democrats say Trump has a woman problem. Donald Trump, you never see him around strong, intelligent women, ever. Anti-woman, you're anti-abortion,
Starting point is 00:00:56 and basically you're anti-American. Trump says America as a Kamala problem. Kamala broke it and I will fix it. Current president says, well, I don't think he'd emails. This is the kind of guy that you like to smack an ass. It's the final countdown. And from New York City, it's the final uncensored election debate. Well, here we are in New York City.
Starting point is 00:01:18 It's election eve. And to say it is exciting here is probably the understatement of the millennium. And the bottom line is that the polling is so close, particularly in the seven crucial swing states. As I said on X yesterday, anyone who thinks they know exactly what's going to happen here is talking baloney. Because anything could happen, given how close these polls are, it could be a Trump win, narrowly, it could be a narrow Harris win. It could be a Trump landslide. It could be a Harris landslide. Nobody knows. My gut feeling, which I'll kick off proceedings today, is I think Trump could win quite big.
Starting point is 00:01:56 But I might be completely wrong. It would be a first, but I might. But let me introduce my stellar panel to debate all this. Katie Pavvich, editor of townhall.com, Fox News contributor. Francesca Ferencini, the host of the Bituation Room podcast, Ashley Sinclair, the political commentator and author of Elephants Are Not Birds, and Wajahat, Ali, the host of Democracy-ish, and I finally pronounced your name correctly, Wajah. Because I took the liberty of asking you how you pronounce it,
Starting point is 00:02:22 and you told me how your mother pronounces it, and we finally got there. After a year of Vajahat and Wajahat, it's Wajahat, and I apologize for not going to his name. Right. A for effort. So we got there. Welcome to all of you. Katie, it looks to me like Trump, it's my gut feeling talking here, which talked to me in 2016. It was anecdotal based. I've been down in Florida and Texas doing crime documentaries, nothing to do with Trump. And I just got a feeling that he was going to win. I've got that feeling again, even though the polling is this close. What's your gut telling you? First of all, it's wonderful to be here again with you. I haven't seen you on a show since there's CNN days. You've seen you at the five over at Fox, which has been great. But it's wonderful to be back. Thank you for having me. Yeah. So there's all of this polling. It's an overwhelming amount of polling, and there's two big questions, I would say, with that. The New York Times poll came out over the weekend, and they admitted that they probably are wrong because they undersampled Republicans,
Starting point is 00:03:21 specifically white Republicans, by almost 16 points. But on the other side, polling since the Dobbs' decision has underestimated polling for Democrats and women getting out to the polls and voting on the issue of abortion. Now, anecdotally, you can walk around and feel. People are talking about it. We're in New York City this morning. I went on a walk and heard lots of people on street corners just talking about what's going to happen. When you look at what's happening in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, polling there, talking about the issues that matter, it's very difficult to think that 70 percent of the country says we're economically on the wrong track and that Kamala Harris would win given that Trump is beating her on the economy by something
Starting point is 00:03:58 like 20 points so nobody really knows but people feel that they know and we will find out tomorrow Francescoe great to finally meet you you've never met in person I love it to see you are you going to interrupt me as much as you do virtually but in person it's more difficult when you're sitting here because I feel a bit sorry for you it would be like sealed clubbing or something so I can't do that interesting poll out of Iowa it shocked everybody at the weekend where this historic poll which is normally quite accurate, the woman who does this poll, came out with a bombshell report that said that Harris was three points clear of Trump in Iowa. It was on the poll the same day that had Trump 10 points clear.
Starting point is 00:04:34 But it certainly asked a lot of questions suddenly about the impact potentially, as Katie said, of the abortion issue and women coming out to vote against Trump on that one specific issue in particular. What are you feeling about that? Yeah, I mean, it's not an understatement or an overstatement, say a lot of people are voting for their lives right now. We know just this last week that two women in Texas died of miscarriages, preventable infections. They came in with an infection, ERs turned them away because they said, you still have a fetal heartbeat.
Starting point is 00:05:08 Our laws say that you cannot get treated until that baby dies and both of those women lost their lives. One of them was already a mother. The other one was very excited about becoming a mother for the very first time. So women are truly voting for their lives and also for the judges. This law, the Texas Harpy Law, had gone through multiple federal courts and met Trump-appointed judges at every single stage. So women aren't just voting for their lives. They are also voting to reclaim a certain amount of representation in our justice system.
Starting point is 00:05:39 Why, if you care so much about women's rights, and I'm not disputing that you do, or that it's a big issue, and for the record, I believe in a woman's right to choose, but let's put my cards on the table. But why, especially Kamala Harris, positioning herself as, I'm not. the one for women's rights here. How do you equate that with what goes on, for example, in women's sport, which is so grotesquely, which is such a great. How are we going to spin this to something so unrelated? It's not unrelated. Well, the reason I think it's important is that last week the United Nations came out with the report saying 900 women have been deprived of medals by trans athletes around the world. This is outrageous and an obvious direct attack on women's rights. How do you
Starting point is 00:06:20 equate, never mind me, how do you equate being for women's rights, but also for that attack on women's rights? Because cis female athletes are not dying. What is cis female mean? In your terms, women born, women born female, are not dying. They're not being turned away from emergency rooms. Do you mean a woman? Wait, hang on, hang on, wait. Here's the goalpost. Can you move it a little bit? When people ask you what you are, do you go into a long... When you go, people say, what are you? Do you go into a long speech about cis and things? Would you say I have a woman?
Starting point is 00:06:59 Yeah, I say I'm a woman. But I'm telling you right now, that female athletes aren't dying at the rates that women are currently dying in places like Georgia, Amber Thurman. Okay, but let me throw back you. Let me throw back you. Let me throw back you on that. This is, this is people... People's lives are on the line. I have a friend who, if she'd been in a red state, would have lost both her life and her two.
Starting point is 00:07:19 two babies at the time. One of them, she was pregnant with twins, one of them at Trisomy 18. You understand what I'm saying? Right now, women in red states where there are abortion bans are being forced to not only watch both of their babies' lives, if they are pregnant with twins, both of them die. Hang on, I'm finishing. On this issue, watching both of them die and potentially lose their own life. It's not no practice when they're about to be seized $10,000. Every single state that has some limit on abortion, also they allow you to save the life of the mother. They should do that. Your issue is malpractice and the doctors not saving the life of the mother.
Starting point is 00:07:56 They all have exceptions for that. Will any of that bring back these women who've lost their lives? Your issue is with the doctors, not with abortion laws. My issue is with Attorney General Ken Paxton. My issue is with Republican lawmakers across this country who are ensuring that, for example, the Biden administration cannot enforce federal law that says you cannot turn away a woman at an emergency room who was going through an obstetric nightmare, who is going a deceptic.
Starting point is 00:08:20 There are exceptions to save the life of the mother. I love that, like, in your little hypothetical world, all these exceptions save lives. That is the law. That is the law. It's not hypothetical. That's the law. And the doctors.
Starting point is 00:08:29 It is the law. And Biden has tried to enforce it. And in fact, Ken Paxton and other federal Trump-appointed judges have blocked that law. Federal law from overriding Texas's heartbeat law, SB 8. I'm over here. Again, I'm... Hang on.
Starting point is 00:08:44 Hang on. Stop talking for a moment. In theory, Darcycy. It's all lovely when you say they're exceptions. It's all lovely when say this or that is the law. However, in practice, women are losing their lives. OK. Francesca, again, Francesca, Francesca, Francesca,
Starting point is 00:08:59 stop talking for one second. And I will simply point out again what I think is an inconsistency. You're very much wanting to protect women's lives. And yet today, before we came in here, a bombshell report out of France shows that Imman Khalif, who was the boxer from Algeria in the Paris Olympics, who won a gold medal, but who in one of the earlier rounds actually had an opponent who quit after 40 seconds because she'd never been hit that hard. Because it turned out that Imman Khalif, as I said at the time, is a biological male with male chromosomes and had male physiology. That report has now confirmed that
Starting point is 00:09:32 today. And my question is, again, why do you not care about a boxer, a trans boxer? Because female athletes aren't dying. Who's far more powerful. Who might actually kill a woman in the ring. Why don't you care as much? Because female athletes aren't dying. And the number of Olympic athletes, Olympic female boxers that there are, are this much. But the number of women who get pregnant every single year are millions. And millions of Americans lives are at risk right now. 67% of women who get abortions, they say they feel coerced by a partner.
Starting point is 00:10:05 You know who that partner is? Of man. Men love abortion. That is the best of underdiscuous issue of abortion ever. Do you know how many women are coerced into this? What is that mean? Let me go on a job. Let me ask you, just on a bigger thing,
Starting point is 00:10:19 I think it's really interesting that you're seeing clearly there's going to be a big female turnout for Kamala Harris. Clearly there's going to be possibly an equally big, if not bigger turnout of men for Trump. The question is who can get more of each one out there, but the gender gap is unprecedented here. What does that tell you about this race? So I brought peptobismo and lactate for you,
Starting point is 00:10:40 for your gut to soothe it, and to level it with what's going to happen on Tuesday, and Trump is going down, not just on a microphone, the only job that he could probably do well. Sorry, too soon. He's the one who did it. He's the one who did it at the rally. And the reason why he's going to go down,
Starting point is 00:10:56 it's something that I've been saying for two and a half years, is America and the European particular, and this goes to your question, has underestimated the righteous rage of women, the majority of the population. Ever since Dobbs, which is the case, for those who don't know, that overturn Roe v. Way took away women's right to choose.
Starting point is 00:11:11 I've been telling everyone. I said, wait for it, women. not just young women, older women. They're going to show up at the polls. You saw the 22 midterms, you've seen all the special elections, and especially in Iowa. Check out Iowa. We just saw that Seltzer poll.
Starting point is 00:11:23 It's an A-plus poll, right? She's been doing it for years. She's usually bullseye, 9 out of 10. Iowa's shocked. You know, peers, I don't get shocked by much. When she came out yesterday and said, plus three, Iowa, and then you look at the tabs. Why plus three Iowa?
Starting point is 00:11:36 Young women, but also overwhelmingly, women above the age of 65. Why? Because they remember a day back in the day when women did not have equal rights, when their sisters, when their daughters, when their moms had to die because they could not get health care.
Starting point is 00:11:51 And they're like, you know what? I don't want my daughter or my granddaughter to go back. We want to go forward. So this righteous rage of women is going to be felt tomorrow. I've been saying it on your show for a year. I believe, I'm going to sit in front of the camera.
Starting point is 00:12:03 And if I'm wrong, I'm going to come back on your show. You give me crow. Make sure it's halal. Put some salsa in it. There you'll be going to get full cry. Kamala Harris is going to win. The X factor is going to be women. independents, Republicans voting against Trump, and people of color.
Starting point is 00:12:18 Can I just talk about the mechanics of this for a second? Because it's obviously an emotional topic. There are millions of women who are not voting on abortion. There are actually a ton of women who are voting on this issue of allowing McGrone men into their locker rooms and the safety of female athletes, not just on the field, but also the sexual harassment and potential sexual assault that they are put into a position to possibly receive as a result of these woke ideologies where men can just say that they're women and all of a sudden you're forcing women with no consent to allow them into their
Starting point is 00:12:48 previously safe spaces. I don't understand why the left of them. I smell something in the room. It's called desperation. Let me just It's permeating the room. As someone who's who's family fought to have equal rights in female athletics, I don't think it's desperation. It's upholding Title IX and decades of work by women to make sure that women have equal rights and protections. And they're not exposed to men. in their locker rooms. But in terms of the mechanics of this, when Dobbs was overturned, it returned this issue to the states, which is what exactly what's been talked about here. It actually expanded democracy up to 50 states because now people can vote on the state level rather than having one vote on the federal level. Even if Kamala Harris were to win on the issue of abortion, she will have a Republican Senate, potentially Republican House. She is not going to be overturning the Dobbs decision. She's not going to be passing any kind of
Starting point is 00:13:42 abortion legislation federally. So this idea that people are voting on this and expecting some kind of change, they can vote on it based on their emotions and they feel about it, but not much is going to change in Washington. Well, they're going to vote down ballot as well, though. So I think that Republican politicians all down ballots should be running scared and have been running scared. They finally were chasing the car.
Starting point is 00:14:00 They caught up with it. And now the car's globbering them, and it's called women voting in America. But here's, I agree with you. I want to say, I do think that it has been very wrong. And I think this campaign's gone kind of off the rails with like comparing Donald Trump to Hitler. And so I want to say I condemn anyone that makes those comparisons because I don't think they're fair. So will you join me in condemning anyone who compares Donald Trump to Hitler? Yes, including J.D. Vans.
Starting point is 00:14:24 Yes, yes. And let's condemn Donald Trump for comparing Donald Trump to Hitler and saying he would like Hitler's generals. Can you join me in condemning Donald Trump for saying that he would like to have generals as loyal as Hitler? Here's a problem. Can you join me? Hang on. Hang on. Don't talk of each other.
Starting point is 00:14:43 Listen, Can you join me? Here's my answer. Here's my answer. Here's my answer. Can you join me in condemning anyone who? Francesca. I am.
Starting point is 00:14:51 So why don't you stop? Why don't you stop? Is this what? Again, here's my point. Of all the ridiculous things to go after Trump about, calling him the new Hitler is the most self-harming thing the Democrats have come up with. Nobody with a brain thinks that he's the new Hitler. 100%.
Starting point is 00:15:08 Right? So can you join? So why do it? So can you join me? Will you say here now that you condemn Donald Trump for comparing Donald Trump to Hitler? Yes or no? I condemn people like you for only using the Hitler stick
Starting point is 00:15:20 to beat Trump with. For saying that Hitler had some good ideas and that he wished he had his generals. How many Jews has Donald Trump murdered? How many, let's get into it. I'm just saying, I think it's wrong. How many? Francesca, Francesca.
Starting point is 00:15:35 Francesca. Francesca. To have woke rabies and they just keep coming. And you can't stop that. And you can't stop that. How many Jewish people has Trump murdered? No, no, no. To justify the comparison to the biggest murderer of Jewish people in history.
Starting point is 00:15:46 I do think it's very fun that he's coddling up to people like RFK Jr. who said that COVID-19 could only infect, could not infect the Jewish population. And Richard Spencer just endorsed Kamala Harris. Like, what's your point? Listen, I was wondering, how long it would take. I was wondering how long it would take. So you can. Hang on.
Starting point is 00:16:05 It's taking 15 minutes for Hitler's name to be right. right and I just find this one of the more staggering one of the more staggering aspects of this whole race has been the left's utter insistence on continually evoking the name of adult Hitler nobody who's on the independent side or moderate side of this thinks anything but that's disgusting when people do that why do it can i tell you why people are doing it Nazis hitlers kKK have trended more during Donald trump's ascension than in my entire lifetime general kelly four-star general who was his chief of staff, his former secretary of DHS, has said on tape,
Starting point is 00:16:43 Donald Trump praises Hitler, praises Hitler's generals and is a fascist. Trump is denied all that. But wait, wait, wait. All the people in the room have said he never said it. I'm going to just for the record. Yeah, I know, I know. Just give me third second.
Starting point is 00:16:54 There is no tape. And you say it's on tape. Where is the tape? General Kelly on tape admitted it. Also, we know that Donald Trump publicly has quoted Hitler by saying poisoning the blood of American comparing immigrants of the blood. When he was told,
Starting point is 00:17:09 Do you? Yes. When he was told, Hitler's quote, he said, I didn't know, said it again. Trump wears blue suits. Apparently, occasionally Hitler did. Is that a sign? OK, give me 20 seconds.
Starting point is 00:17:19 Poisoning the blood, blood lines, bad genes, meaning with Nick Fuentes being told, good German but being told afterwards, Nick Twentis, the white nationals, refusing to condemn him. At the MAGA boat rally, you got people with swastikas and MAGA things, right? White power signs outside the Washington. White power signs.
Starting point is 00:17:35 Very fine people. Can I ask you. This is why people are single. Seriously. I do think he's preposterous. I did in fact. Can I seriously, you too? Can I ask you genuinely?
Starting point is 00:17:45 Sure. Do you think Trump wants to send his Jewish grandchildren to camps? No. Then why are you making these comparisons? He has been I'm Jewish. He has been the biggest. He wants to do mass deportations. Yes, he does want to do nasty deportations.
Starting point is 00:17:59 I think they should leave the country the same way they came here. 11 million hundred hundred hundred people should be rounded up. Yes. I think that will do to the economy. Hang on. I'm doing this. What do you think that will do to the economy? I'm the moderator.
Starting point is 00:18:13 You are a contributor, not moderated. Ask her what do you think? 11 million undocumented people being mass deported due to the American economy. I'm going to ask any panelist what I see fit. Let me bring in Casey. You were saying, oh my God. And I kind of feel the same. The moment we start debating the comparisons with Trump and Hitler, my heartless goes,
Starting point is 00:18:29 I forgot say. It's because you can't condemn Donald Trump for comparing himself to Hitler. You just can't do it. You just can't do it. Katie. I think these comparisons are grossly disrespectful of what the Holocaust actually was. Yes, yes. And to keep invoking it in this way is really just despicable and irrelevant to the current conversation.
Starting point is 00:18:51 And it doesn't allow us to actually get to the issues that are affecting the American people. People are not voting based on these comparisons. They're voting on things like the economy and illegal immigration. Those are by far the two biggest issues. Correct. And legal immigration issue is not just one. that Republicans have questions and feelings about. I mean, in New York City, they're completely overwhelmed by this problem.
Starting point is 00:19:13 You're seeing this happening in cities all across the country. Local law enforcement, health care, public services are being cut as a result of this. It's a resource management issue that has been caused by this administration's policies. And people are voting on it. And let's just look at the numbers here, going back to the facts and the data we have, the majority of the people in this country want a deportation program. The majority of the people in this country want to have fewer illegal and legal immigrants as a result of them flooding the system.
Starting point is 00:19:44 The majority of the people in this country feel like their goodwill has been taken advantage of and that they're just expected to deal with their communities being overrun by the federal government without help and then expected to pay for it in a number of ways, taxes, quality of life, et cetera. So those are the things that people are voting on. And when you have all this noise and the name calling on this issue and the constant berating from the Harris campaign of trying to say that Madison Square Garden was a Hitler rally, I was there.
Starting point is 00:20:16 It was not a Hitler rally. It was a very diverse crowd. And when you get into the justification and the comparisons, not only you're dishonoring the memory of millions of people who were murdered. It was a holical survivor there. Exactly. You get into the weeds on this debate that is completely irrelevant to what has actually happened. that Holocaust denial shirt that that Jan 6th rioter was going to talk about all the Hamas rallies you've seen over the over the course of the past year in our cities running for president are there they're rallying their cities in college
Starting point is 00:20:46 do you know who's coming out in large numbers and voting against trump this week which might be the the tilt to Harris Puerto Ricans Puerto Ricans listen to that way away no they haven't Puerto Ricans 450,000 in Pennsylvania appears about 100,000 Wisconsin they heard what was set up that rally. You know this, you've been following it. In the past two weeks, they don't see it as a joke. Talk about emotions and feelings. I heard that. I got to say.
Starting point is 00:21:13 They heard that. And they're like, oh, that's what he thinks of us? I have to say, I thought it was very stupid to have that guy. Extremely stupid. And the room didn't laugh, by the way. All the air went out of the room. The woman didn't laugh. But the truth is somebody on the Trump team booked him.
Starting point is 00:21:26 And the very first thing he did was to solve a large constituency in crucial swing states. That seemed to me a dumb decision. And then Trump also said, nobody. deal when confronted he should have disavowed he said no big deal then he dressed up as a garbage man let me ask you another dumb decision it seems to me and it could be proven or not by what happens Kamala her did something dumb no no I do think that in her desperation to try and play an interesting middle ground from the israel Hamas war she deliberately didn't choose josh shapiro as her running me a guy that could almost certainly deliver pennsylvania which it looks now from all the polling might
Starting point is 00:22:04 will be the moment that one of these two wins the election. Do you think with hindsight she made a mistake in her VP choice? No, I think it was very smart to go with Tim Walls, America's dad. I think it was a great compliment to Kamala Harris. I think Josh Shapiro, some people are trying to do the divide and conquer, but you have Jews themselves like Chuck Schumer, leading Jewish American senator for Democrats who said, nope, there's no anti-Semitism here.
Starting point is 00:22:26 The reason why Josh Shapiro probably wasn't the best pick, and based on reporting is once they met, Josh Shapiro didn't seem to vibe with Kamala Harris. Tim Walls said, I'll run through a fence for you. And she said, okay, and also with Josh Shapiro as an AG, they looked at some of the cases that he did, they thought it'd be too much baggage. With Tim Walts, no baggage. There you go. So that's what some people say.
Starting point is 00:22:45 So that's what progress is that you might lose it. Too many question marks. You know what? Actually go with Tim Walz, dad, Hunter, coach, Minnesota. Yes, much more so than JD Vance. Rich boy, JD Vance, puretile's pet boy. I was surprised. I thought Trump's choice of JD Vance has turned out to be a rather good show.
Starting point is 00:23:03 I listened to J.D. Vance's Joe Rogan podcast. Really interesting, wide-ranging interview, including some very interesting exchanges between Rogan and him about all manner of issues. And I thought, yeah, this smart guy, I get it. And he's obviously a probably a lucky candidate to run for president himself. So I don't think that was a mistake at all. One of the things I'm surprised about, if I was Trump in the last 48 hours, I'd have been down on the southern border.
Starting point is 00:23:27 I'd have been down the reminding people that Carmelah Harris was the borders up. People to try to pretend she isn't now, but she was. This is how they called her on liberal media the entire time. I remember it. And there's been a catastrophic failure on her watch. Why do you think he's not gone for that optic of him on the southern border? Because he's been doing that for eight years. I mean, that's something that people know about him.
Starting point is 00:23:47 They know that Kamala Harris was the borders are. He talks about in his rallies. But he's trying to, he has his base locked up. He has the people who are voting for him on immigration locked up. He's trying to go to these places to get these remaining last votes that he needs in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan. Pennsylvania is the key? He does not have to necessarily win Pennsylvania, but she does.
Starting point is 00:24:08 So he has to take that away from her and take it off the board if he's going to get ahead of her. Right. And Francesca, here's the thing. Look, on abortion, I agree with it. Okay. So it doesn't matter. I can't even vote. But the trouble it seems to me is, and Katie raised this point earlier, there has never been an incumbent candidate.
Starting point is 00:24:29 All right. It's a little bit skewed by the fact she wasn't the actual incumbent president. She's incumbent vice president. There's been an incumbent president where the polling against crucial issue like the economy is so skewed in favor of her opponent who has ever won. Now, the only reason she might win,
Starting point is 00:24:44 and the reason she's so close is that the opposing candidate is Trump, who is so divisive. But if Trump was to win, I would say it was because actually the economy, cost of living and immigration, where she is directly paid to the failure on the border. Yeah, I mean, I think it's incredible that so many people believe
Starting point is 00:25:02 that buying a $100,000 gold wash will get them closer to being a billionaire like Trump, although, you know, it's waning with all the cases. No, no, no, no, but I'm, hang on, hang on. Can I just finish what I'm saying? Here's what I'm saying. Actually, I like Donald Trump's policies. Hang on in a little line. Let me say, no, no, no, no. Trump has started doing at the start of every rally in the last two days. Threatening his change. No, no, no, the same sentence where he just says, wanting to present women without their will. No, no, no, same sentence. He says, do you feel better off he did four years ago. And the answer is for most average Americans, they do not feel better off.
Starting point is 00:25:38 If he wins, I suspect that's why he wins. I understand that. I think it's incredible that he would do that when, if he wins on the economy, when we know that he is personally bankrolled by billionaires, the likes of Peter Thiel, you know, David Sachs and other. Hang on, hang on. She's not. Can you? Let me finish. Let me actually finish what I'm trying to say is. And Kamala Harris' policies, you know, $25,000 down payment for a first-time homeowner. These are policies that put money in people's pockets, right? The ability to add home care to Medicare. Why didn't she do it in the last four years?
Starting point is 00:26:12 She was not president. And she was working alongside Joe Biden for better or worse. But the ability for Medicare to cover home care for our aging parents, that's massive. If she were to deliver that for the American people, we would save hundreds of thousands of dollars every single person each year. So in terms of a wealth transfer, Kamala Harris' policies would put more money in working-class people's pockets. And Donald Trump would be a siphon. To be clear, you don't think any billionaires are in their can. Trump deserves some credit because I think his policies are bold.
Starting point is 00:26:42 I think obviously they're appealing to the Joe Rogan extended universe and all the D-bags who are growing up very quickly and can vote at 18. However, I have, wow, whoa, whoa. Wow. All the men are douchebags. I'm saying the ones that are coming up and being. very radicalized by your friends, Andrew Tate, the sex traffickers that you like to have on your network.
Starting point is 00:27:07 Have you got Be Nice in your profile on X? Is Be nice in their hashtag? No, I'm more surprised. The thing about the left is, Zahai, I'll bring you in here. Sure. Is that you all brand yourselves as the nice party. You're the nice people.
Starting point is 00:27:21 It's Trump's horrible, ugly rhetoric. But meanwhile, he's a Nazi, he's a fascist, you're all garbage, every 18-year-old is on the... on the broken side is a big is a douchebag. I mean, this is a kind of generalized hateful, which I find so utterly hypocritical.
Starting point is 00:27:37 Have you seen the comment section? These people are going to be going on. Have you seen your own comment section? Do you know the kind of hatred that I get from appearing on this show? When you call all 18 year old's douchebags, I'm surprised. But I'm trying to tell you.
Starting point is 00:27:50 Has it crossed your mind you say hateful things that might annoy people? Can I? Like all 18 year old's jukeback? She says that an exact one pushback for something like that. She says that about people signs. You're used to saying on your podcast you say that everybody agrees with it. There are enough young men who are being sort of inculcated into the Andrew Tate, Joe Rogan world fast enough.
Starting point is 00:28:09 There's no comparison between Andrew Tate and Joe Rogan. No comparison at all. No. They do not espouse the same philosophy about almost anything. Well, there's a certain. No, there is. No, there is. There's an excitedness there about being scared.
Starting point is 00:28:23 If you actually knew what you're talking about those two, there is no comparison between Joe Rogan and Andrew Tate. Oh, so exercise is like all right and scary now. Do you even lift a doucheback? I use the word bro. What do you not take care of? Would John, be bringing in the only man here? As a representative. Is it helpful to call every 18-year-old
Starting point is 00:28:42 an American male a douchevap? That is not what I am saying. You literally said it. No, I, no, that's exactly. I'm saying that that is who Donald Trump is appealing to. He is not trying to appeal to women. And I, here's what I will say. I like his strategy.
Starting point is 00:28:56 I want to say, let me respond. Hang up, Matt Lange, Jr. The only oppressed man on the panel. Can we talk so oppressed? Just really quickly. I do think. No, no, you'd be quiet for a moment. Would John, how you speak?
Starting point is 00:29:07 So I want to combine two points that you mentioned, right? And in all seriousness, I've never seen a campaign step on more rakes than Donald Trump has in the past two weeks. I mean that sincerely, because you think about his final argument, right? Yours is a gift there, right? You have a gift there where you can, I agree with you. I mean, I don't agree with it, but cynically, go to the border. Talk about the economy, right?
Starting point is 00:29:25 Pretend you. are unifier. What does he do? Calls liberals sick, evil people, absolutely horrible, right? A person, he has a chance to... You don't call his supporters garbage? Wait, wait, wait. Nazis? No, no, no. Dispangs? What's the night? When Magna goes low, and take out their knees? That's what he posted this morning. I will say this.
Starting point is 00:29:44 He said, we'll take out their knees. No. You said, you know, as bad at each other with his question. You said, you said this, and thank you for bringing my post. I'm not Michelle Obama. Michelle Obama said famously, infamously, God bless her, when they go low, we go high. I say, and I've always said, when they go low, you take out their knees, which is a legal UFC move. And I believe legal, no, no, no, you take out their knees. It's a legal, wait, wait, legal UFC move. You take out their knee. When they go low, take out their knees. And by the way, calling the American people
Starting point is 00:30:13 evil, stupid, garbage, right? These are all absolute scum. These are all Donald Trump's words. He has used in the past two weeks. Final thing I'll say, last two weeks, you're pitched to America, unify the people, bring the independence. You know what he says? I'm going to unleash the military and national guard to my critics who are the enemy from within. Who used the word enemy from within? Francesca.
Starting point is 00:30:34 Oh, we're doing this again. Hitler. Oh, we're back to Whitehall, Hitler. Katie, let me ask you about Mark Cuban. All facts, by the way. Mark Cuba said you never see Trump around strong, intelligent women. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:44 You've been around Trump. Last on my check, you're a strong intelligent woman. Thank you very much. I thought it was such a patronizing thing to say. It's just, it's not true. And if you have to laud that, accusation, you're clearly desperate and looking for things to make an argument on when you don't have the facts or the data to back up your argument.
Starting point is 00:31:01 I covered the Trump White House. Whenever you walked into the West Wing, it was teeming with women. At the highest level, senior advisors, also working moms. So the left says they care a lot about working women, except for when it comes to conservative women. This is a pattern that they have with attacking conservative women, and they don't like it when they are batting for the Trump team, for conservatives, for Republicans, when they oppose their ideas based on the facts and policy, they just want to say that they're stupid and unintelligent.
Starting point is 00:31:27 You know what else is teaming with women? Jeffrey Epstein's island that Donald Trump went to multiple times on Lillita Express and in fact had a very close relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. I'm surprised we're not talking about it. Oh my God. As a campaign manager was Kellyan Conway. And now you have Susie Wiles, co-chair of his second campaign this time around. There are plenty of strong, intelligent women around him.
Starting point is 00:31:46 And unlike the left, they don't expect to get credit for being women. They're just doing their job and in... doing what being james here's the thing you know you guys talk about the violent rhetoric that comes out of trump's mouth and some of it is very advised or sometimes it's plain ugly i didn't like what he said about shooting over the media to get at him that was yesterday i know you don't need to say that don't say it i think it's unhelpful and don't make people hate the media they're doing their jobs even like it as part of the job is my view as a media person right but then you know just when you really want him to pop up again there's old biden old sleepy joe saying he wants to they said the kind of guys like
Starting point is 00:32:21 Trump and Maga are the kind of guys you want to smack in the ass. He's a president of the United States advocating advocating physical violence against tens of millions of Americans. Is that advisable either? I don't know. Tucker Carlson did say that sometimes daddy needs to come home and give you a good spanking. So maybe he's just speaking to what Tucker is a president. The Democrat president of the United States is advocating physical violence against tens of millions of Americans. I simply ask is that helpful? No, it's not. But here's what I will say. Good.
Starting point is 00:32:53 We have a point of agreement. I like Trump's bold ideas, abolishing the Department of Education so, you know, rural areas can't get access to, you know, schools and teachers, shortages. I think that's great. Do you think that our education system is doing a good job, by the way? RFK Jr. in the head of the CDC, look, I've always said, let's make polio great again. I feel like all these woke DEI vaccines have taken away things like measles. Do you agree with mass deportation? Do you agree with mass deportation of illegal immigrants?
Starting point is 00:33:21 No, I do not. Really? Why did you let Obama deport three million that? I protested all of those years. Really? Yes, I did. So he's despicable, Obama, right? For doing those actions, absolutely. Despicable?
Starting point is 00:33:33 Yes. Someone's agreed that Democrat presidents are despicable. They can absolutely do despicable things. Dispicable? What Obama did? Deporter in chief, yeah. I thought it was a terrible policy. Three million, he deported.
Starting point is 00:33:43 I thought it was terrible. By far pro rata more than anything Trump ever did. Does he get enough credit from the right for doing it who likes those policies? You ask them? I'm just simply saying you think he's distinctions. I think that aspect of his presidency is despicable. And I also say this, I do not treat politicians on my kings and queens and emperors. I don't bend knees. I think what Donald Trump is... You don't have to choke the moment. No, I don't know, legal. It's a knee bar. It's a knee bar. UFC for the bro. He's not killing anybody. Yeah, I'm not the one in, listen, in all seriousness, the other reason why he's going to lose tomorrow, in addition to, in raging women, is people have not forgotten, peers.
Starting point is 00:34:17 January 6th, they have not forgotten the violent insurrection. The most violent day of history. The deadliest day in his day. Yesterday, yesterday, Donald Trump, when I said, in all seriousness, when I said he has stepped on so many rakes, yesterday, what did he say? I should have never stepped down. People remember the January 6 violent insurrection. People remember, mega supporters defecating in the Capitol. People remember to this day, this man has refused to concede that he lost. You know what I saw? I saw my city, then he has refused to. I know your gish galloping. Let me just finish. I've been, I watched them burn it down. There's two things that, there's two things. And this is why Republicans are painted in a corner, right? feel bad for them, the people have come out and defend Trump. There's two things they can defend.
Starting point is 00:34:55 January 6th, Roe v. Wade. Those are two galvanizing factors, which is why I believe Kamala Harris, I'm going to say in front of the camera, is going to win tomorrow, and if I'm wrong, he's buying me halal crow, which I will eat on your side. Yes, I am. All right, Katie. Halal Khroo. It's amazing how the left gets like to cherry-picks the political violence on January 6th. It was roundly condemned by the right. Not by Donald Trump? And previously, the left was willing to allow people out of their COVID restrictions in the summer when they were firing people and not allowing people to go see their grandmothers in their nursing homes when they were dying.
Starting point is 00:35:30 Katie, is that the same as January 6? I don't want to interrupt you. But you are interrupted me. No, but you bring it up to a ridiculous point. Allow Katie to finish. Why did January 6 happen? You tell me. Sorry, Katie.
Starting point is 00:35:40 We had the most violent political riots in the history of America. Dozens of people killed, businesses destroyed, cities, completely hollowed out and they still have not recovered. When was that? And yet in the summer of 2020. That is a lot. And when President Trump tried to do something about it, the left protested and said, these people have the, they're doing it for the right political reason and therefore it's allowed.
Starting point is 00:36:02 And so if we want to talk about political violence and the toll is taken on the country, we can. But that's not the issue that's happening today right now. It's interesting that Washington, D.C. has been boarded up yet again. And it's not because if Trump wins or if Kamala Harris wins, it'll be right. It's if Trump wins. And they started this the day of his inauguration when they burned down the cities, when they torched a limousine that was owned by an immigrant working in the city.
Starting point is 00:36:27 So the political violence is justified so long as it's coming for the right reason, according to the left. But then they just want to focus on January 6th and not condemn their own side. You don't have to do this. Can I just say this? This is for posterity. I'm just offering. You don't have to do this. This is for posterity.
Starting point is 00:36:44 I appreciate that. You know, something about integrity, something about honesty, something about, you know, you're actually having some credibility. You just said that on television. It's going to be there forever. So do you really want to go down that road and talk about... Are you talking to me? Like, what are you saying to me? I'm trying to help you January 6th, Donald Trump. No, I'm just offering. I'm not like Donald Trump. I'm not going to protect you if you don't like it. I'm not Trump. I'm not going to protect you in if you don't like it. I'm going to answer his questions. And I don't need you talking down to me about what I'm not Donald Trump. I don't talk down. I don't
Starting point is 00:37:14 Let me ask you this. I'm saying that just to appease to Trump and the Republican Party, I've seen Republicans. When I was at CNN, Pierce, like you back in the day, in the green room, I will share with the people. There were people I used to debate with, right? Republicans, right? They told me in the green room, I don't know if they told this to you, I hate Trump. I can't stand them. Then we get on from the camera because their bread is buttered by the right wing, you know, it is what it is.
Starting point is 00:37:37 They used to go on with a straight face contorting their face. Allison Stewart, who passed away, who was very lovely. That's so nice of you to bring her up, even though she can't defend herself. She's the one. She literally was the one I used to defend all. Every single Republican that you saw me debate on CNN, except two. Paris Dynard was a true believer in the green room. He was the only one, actually.
Starting point is 00:38:00 And also, Jeffrey Lord. Every single other person in the green room said, I can't stand this guy, but I got to go support him. Talker girls and said the same thing. Oh, also, guess who? Ben Shapiro. Look at all the tweets. We have to like someone to vote. Ted Cruz.
Starting point is 00:38:12 Donald Harris called Biden a racist and then Ted Cruz. So that's what I'm saying. But Francesca, let me ask you a question for this. What if you lose? Because last time, nearly 10 million more Americans voted for Trump than the first time around, despite four years of apparently the worst presidency
Starting point is 00:38:28 in history. If this trend continues now and he gets enough to get himself over the line, perhaps even wins a popular vote at some of the polls showing him might, what are you going to do for the next four years? I mean, he's literally the new Hitler, you think? So is literally, is that the end? I don't think he's a new healer, but I will. In all seriousness, no, but I do think it is
Starting point is 00:38:47 quite alarming when the Supreme Court has given immunity, presidential immunity to obviously Biden now, but also Donald Trump, and specifically in the case of whether Trump's actions on January 6th rose above the law effectively, and it was okay for him to break it. At the moment, the only crime that you've managed to successfully get Trump convicted of is shuffling, not you, the left, is shuffling a bit of paperwork over an alleged one-night-stander with a porn star 19 years ago. Sorry, I don't look at this and go, is that it? Pears, that's all you've been able to achieve?
Starting point is 00:39:19 24 jury members in two separate cases found him guilty, both of sexual abuse and, yes, of falsifying business records. Now, here's what I want to say, in all seriousness, and I'm serious. You don't go off to Bill Clinton? This is not a bit, this is not a bit. But I want to. I just want to respond to what you were saying. Hang on, hang on, let me just respond to what you were saying.
Starting point is 00:39:38 In the next four years. Yeah. What would you do if he's president? truly think, and I say this in like legit seriousness, I do think these are dangerous times. And I think that no matter who wins, we're going to see definitely street protests, which I support as long as they are peaceful on either side. If it's the right, absolutely everyone has the right to exercise their First Amendment rights, like just point blank. But obviously, I am very concerned, especially at state election boards, where a lot of right-wingers have been poised to contest
Starting point is 00:40:12 the election on a local level, on a statewide level, outside of their election boards. And you don't think the Democrats have lawyers lined up if they narrowly lose? They do. You don't think so? They do have lawyers to contest if, for example... Let me tell you, the Democrats will have just as many lawyers ready and waiting. If Trump edges this narrowly, they will be trying everything in their power to try and prove that he didn't win. They're not armed people. Kamala will not inside a violent insurrection.
Starting point is 00:40:36 Can I say if... It is incumbent upon you to try and simmer down some of this reddish. if and it's really just when it all goes off the rails. And I think there's a responsibility that this show has to actually temper some of that. I don't disagree with it. I hate a lot of it in the next few. I hate the violence on both sides. I understand.
Starting point is 00:40:56 I'm just making sure that you take it serious. But I would say, you mentioned Carmen and Conradice, right, about whipping up a certain sentiment amongst people. Carmelah Harris's tweet about Jesse Smollett being lynched is still there. She's ever deleted that? Here's the goalpost. Let's move. She knows. This is a woman who may be president of the United States literally within a few days, right? And she's allowed a tweet, which is an absolute lie about a fantasist, a self-aggrandizing fantasist who wanted to improve his standing by inventing a lynching from MAGA supporters.
Starting point is 00:41:31 Are you talking about Jesse Small in the year, 2024? No, no, I'm just saying her tweet about him, Majaya, is still up there. Should she delete that tweet? So I'll say this. I'll answer all that. If that tweet is up there, I don't know about it, she should delete it. Thank you. Number two, I think Donald Trump has to accept he lost the 2020 election. I agree. I think he has to accept. He did lose it.
Starting point is 00:41:48 He's been asked repeatedly, will you accept if you lose 2024? He has refused to answer it. And what I will say, with utmost seriousness, this isn't Mitt Romney. This isn't John McCain. This isn't George Dilley Bush, right? Thank God. Thank God. There were Republicans.
Starting point is 00:42:01 There were Republicans. There's a reason why Mitt Romney and John McCain, their families are not supporting Donald Trump. Mitt Romney has to spend his personal money folks for security details. for his family. Do you know who he said the threat is from? Not liberals, not Kamala Harris supporters, MAGA. So this is where we are. I think Donald Trump is a singular threat to this country. And I think he's bad for Republicans. And I think he's bad. And you're oddly would go out. Oddly, oddly, oddly, which I thought was disgusting. Good. And I do think that Trump has to hold responsibility for the reticent views that day. Okay. But until that moment, actually in his four years
Starting point is 00:42:41 as president, oddly, there wasn't all this mass violence that you all fear is going to happen. It actually wasn't that dangerous. He didn't declare war anywhere. He actually killed the leader of ISIS. He killed one of the top Iranian commanders. He didn't go and invade anywhere. Like the Democrats love to do with their presidents, right? And also, none of the kind of apocalyptic warnings about Trump were true. The best thing you could come up with was that he had this Muslim ban. Well, he banned people coming in seven countries that had been on Obama's own ban list. of people coming into the country. So my point is that all the apocalyptic warnings about Trump did not manifest themselves in his first presidency. Two things happen. January 6th is an outlier to that,
Starting point is 00:43:22 and I thought it was disgusting, and absolutely, the transfer of power must be peaceful, and it must happen. But until that point, where is this great fascist dictator? Can I say one quick thing? COVID happens. People forget. Over 500,000 Americans died during Donald Trump's presidency. What we found out from Bob Woodworth's quote and Donald Trump is quoted is he knew it was a threat, Pierce. He lied about it to downplayed because he would hurt him in the elections. So even though he knew it was a risk, he told America what? Open up. What should he have done? Been honest with people, promote the science, actually help get the PPP production. But what do you think you should have done? Be honest with people? What I'm telling you? Be honest with people. What should he have actually done that you didn't do? He should have
Starting point is 00:44:02 invoked the Defense Production Act to get the PPPed in the hands of healthcare professionals. America globally, America has a very good record on PPE in the pandemic, particularly compared to my country, which was a total question. More people died in America than in any other country. There was a promotion of anti-vaccine and anti-science conspiracy.
Starting point is 00:44:22 He knew the truth. He lied to people. He told people to inject bleach. That was terrible. I agree. Inject bleach. And also, listen, he gave the type of equipment before two of the American people.
Starting point is 00:44:33 Who did he give the equipment to? Who did he give it to? American people. Putin. That's all that he gave it. All right. Let me bring Teddy in. Let me bring Katie in for us. On the issue of COVID, Donald Trump proposed a ban from China, flying people in from China. He was met with great resistance from Nancy Pelosi who went down to Chinatown in San Francisco and said he was being racist and xenophobic and he shouldn't shut the country down. Bill de Blasio in New York City did the exact same thing. So that was the first thing.
Starting point is 00:45:04 There are more people who died from COVID under Joe Biden's presidency than Donald Trump's presidency. I think care homes in New York from Andrew Cuomo, who last time I checked was a Democrat. The Democrats didn't want to open up the country, causing severe generational gaps with education. They forced people to take a vaccine, which we all then learned from the CDC, wasn't actually going to prevent the disease, fired people over it. And so, I mean, to me just finish. I would say this. I don't agree with, you both make a good point. I think we're kind of done with COVID, right? I think, Franceschi, my question for you would be this, is where was the evidence in those four years of the dictator, fascist dictator that you all want us to now believe is about to be potentially re-elected?
Starting point is 00:45:48 I don't want to believe that, obviously, but you look at some of the plans under, let's say, Project 2025. What do you do first time around? Can I explain? Can I just let me just explain. Okay, so let me just tell you. So remember in 2020, as a lot of people on the right think they were nothing but riots, people protesting the murder of an innocent man, George Floyd, right? He was, obviously his murder was found guilty and people took to the streets on it.
Starting point is 00:46:14 And committed acts of appalling violence and people died. Some of them. Actually, a lot of people did. All the cities were being burned to the ground. Do you know what was happening in Portland? All cities are not burned to the ground. Here's Morgan. The overwhelming majority of those girls were peaceful.
Starting point is 00:46:27 There were mass. Let me explain. riots. including... Okay, okay. Let me just get my sentence out before and finish it. In places like Portland that I know everyone thinks it's just a wild bastion of lawlessness, however, there were federal agents in unmarked cars lifting protesters off of the streets and arresting them.
Starting point is 00:46:47 That was under Donald Trump. There was a man. His name was Michael Reinal. He did... What about the violence? Hang on, hang on. What about the violence? He did kill...
Starting point is 00:46:56 What about all the violence? Let me finish my sentence. What about all the violence? Let me finish. What about all the setting fire to building? He was killed by a federal agent and never saw his time in court, unlike Kyle Rittenhouse, who did get a fair shake in court. And I'm telling you, because the federal...
Starting point is 00:47:12 If you're not asking a question and not listen to me, his name was Michael Reinhold. He was killed by federal agents because he killed someone from the Patriot Prayer. Instead of seeing his day in court the way Kyle Rittenhouse did, they took him and summarily murder him. That's called extrajudicial killing. I'm going to drag it. I'm going to drag it. On the war in peace, he increased drone strikes by 400% in the Middle East. You know the biggest drone guy of all time? Barack Obama.
Starting point is 00:47:38 Can you shut up and let me finish a sentence? Not really. You asked me a question and you don't let me finish. No, I do. But you answer for about 20 minutes. No, no, no, no. I want to drag us to 2024. And he increased the war on Yemen.
Starting point is 00:47:51 Obama dropped the most bombs of any president in one kind of year. Well, you're wrong. You're spouting nonsense. But, peers, you get. Obama dropped the most. bombs, he ran the most illegal drone programs. He deported most illegal immigrants. Is it heavy? What?
Starting point is 00:48:05 Just all the water that you carry for double shrew? She practices this in America. It's a silly argument. I like criticizing both sides. I don't know you've got the upper body strength to hold it all. I know you don't. I know you don't. You said lifting is fascist.
Starting point is 00:48:16 Actually, let me bring you to 2024. We've had a little bit of aggression back into the past. Ashley, you ask a question. Can you? You shut up for two seconds. Who, Ashley's getting a question. Okay, I'll shut up. Ashley, if Trump loses tomorrow, what do you think the reason will be?
Starting point is 00:48:35 Because not enough men turned out to vote. Men are a particularly disenfranchised demographic. 10 million less men vote than women every year. And I think for whatever reason, we really haven't made a good appeal to men, particularly, to vote. Kamala Harris knows this as well. I noticed when I was driving through Pennsylvania, for the first time, white men were back in advertising and they were on the Kamala Harris billboards. But I do believe it would be because we did not turn out enough of the mail vote.
Starting point is 00:49:01 And I think that's it. I think people are hurting. I think people know that they were better off when Trump was in office. I think they know what has happened at our southern border is a disaster. And we're not really going to have a country or much of the West if this continues. And conversely, if Trump was to win, why would you think he'd win? Because of the economy and immigration. I think not only here but across the West in Europe, they're also seeing the devastating effects of immigration.
Starting point is 00:49:24 It is also a women's rights issue. we're seeing sexual assaults increase rapidly across Europe because of the legal immigration coming across, because of these, the mass amount of people that are being imported from other countries, from countries who don't have a concept of what that is, of what rape is. So I really think it's going to be the economy, immigration. I think that's going to win an election. Right, same question as you is. It's quite interesting way looking at it.
Starting point is 00:49:49 If Carmala loses, why do you think she'll lose? She's going to win the popular vote. She'll only lose through the electoral college. Pennsylvania, I don't think she will, and it'll probably be because just what happened in 2016 with Donald Trump, he won by a mustache hair, about 40,000 votes across three states. He said a whisker. A whisker, yeah. Oh, that was 20-20. Yeah, the 2016, a whisker.
Starting point is 00:50:10 I believe she's got the independence. If you look at the early data, early voting, early polls, momentum, independence were breaking for her. Latinos are pissed as of the last two weeks. I wasn't trying to be cheeky when I said he's stepped on breaks. But a lot more Latinos are currently polling voting for Trump than did last time. And black America. black america what like we said last time on your show my prediction let's find out on tuesday night is those numbers will regress to the the the medium she'll get she'll get the numbers of
Starting point is 00:50:34 black voters black male voters latino male voters i know republicans want those male voters to come out i don't think they will uh if she wins which i think she will be due to women independence young people people of color and also what's fascinating in iowa in some of these swing states is she's winning more white men than biden did i think people are sick and tired of don't Trump. I think he's the oldest person. He's a criminal. Well, a lot of people are and a lot of people are. But I think he's been on for nine years. You know, I feel like there's something about, you know, people talk about feelings, emotions and elections. They see common, like, something different. Here's the thing, though. Something different. Sorry, you. But that's the thing. Here's a
Starting point is 00:51:10 black Indian woman. It's very hard to position yourself as the change candidate when you are the vice president of an administration of the last four years. First female president. All right. Okay. Katie. Kelly, Kenny, hang on, hang on, that's a disgrace to women. For you, if Trump, if Trump was to lose, if Trump was to lose. What would you say would be the reason why? I would say the ground game for the Democrats has been more organized and better structured in the places where they need the most. And Kamala Harris has had the benefit of having a short-term campaign. And a lot of money.
Starting point is 00:51:38 And a lot of money. So she's been able to not be out there explaining what her exact positions are, keeping things very vague because the time period has been very truncated. She's able to do a message to Michigan voters that is quite different. than a message she's done with Pennsylvania voters and get away with it because there's not as much time for her to be vetted over the course of a year in a normal election. So that's what I would say about that. And if Trump wins, why? People are easily comparing and tying Kamala Harris to Joe Biden as the incumbent.
Starting point is 00:52:10 There's a reason why she hasn't fully endorsed Joe Biden's economic policies because people are dying from inflation. Things are way too expensive and they see her as four more years of the previous policies, especially since she's been asked repeatedly what you do differently, and she can't say a single thing when it comes to what she would distance herself with, Joe Biden on the economy. So the economy, illegal immigration, and it's just an easy comparison. You know, Trump's first presidency was not that long ago. People compared to the last four years, that's what he's probably going to win.
Starting point is 00:52:39 Francesca, for you, if Carmala, the unthinkable happens, so Carmala was not to win by a landslide and loses, why? Why? I think that, I think fear sells, sadly. And I think that sometimes, I think sadly, Trump will have convinced. You don't think she's been spewing fear about Trump? Br, let me answer a question. Sis, do you not think that the fear's been coming mainly from their end? No. That he's the new Hitler and new fascist, the war's going to end. Let's talk about Epstein. You haven't asked me about Epstein. Let's talk about Epstein. I'll give a dab about Epstein. Apparently they shared girlfriends. Michael Wolf said, there's no. naked photos of Trump with underage girls and apparently there was a stain on Trump's pants. Was that in Epstein's vault? Can you get back to the question? Was that in, do you think that was
Starting point is 00:53:25 an Epstein's vault when the Trump's FBI raided Epstein's home? If Carmelah loses, why would you lose? What was in the vault? Otherwise you won't get a chance to answer. I'm not going to, you're interrupting me all the time. I don't talk about Jeffrey Epstein. Sorry. Well, I wasn't talking about Epstein. Then you interrupted me, sir. Right. Can you answer my question? So if she loses why? When I come on your podcast, you can ask me about Jeffrey Epstein. as much as you like. But now, I want to ask about tomorrow's election. If Kamala loses, why?
Starting point is 00:53:51 She will, I think she will have lost because she, I think, cut the progressive base out from under her. I think Joe Biden in 2020 actually made a lot of overtures to the Bernie Sanders base. And I have not seen as much of outreach from Kamala Harris to the progressives. And specifically, Muslim American voters and anyone who does not want to see more bloodshed in the Middle East. I think, honestly, that would be my answer. And if she wins, why? And if she wins, it's because we believe in health care for all people. And that includes women and especially pregnant women who want to be parents, who want to have families and who want to be safe in so doing.
Starting point is 00:54:29 But men can still play in women's ball, as far as you're concerned. Nothing unfair or sun tape about that. So there was a stain on his pants. Isn't that disgusting? Do you think there was a photo in the vault of Epstein? Your refusal to answer the question, says it all. Every time you talk about trans athletes, I'm going to tell you about everything. That's fine. This is...
Starting point is 00:54:46 You can talk about FC as much as you like. Okay. And you can talk about trans athletes as much as you like. Trans athletes are... Two things. And they were good friends. They were good friends. They were good friends. Let me just try and look.
Starting point is 00:54:56 And female athletes aren't dying. Are you all American citizens? Yes. So it's a big day for America tomorrow. Big day for American citizens. I'm not an American citizen. I'm not a home here, but I'm not a citizen. I would like to end on a moment where we all come together.
Starting point is 00:55:11 Do we hold hands? And we wish each other a happy election day. day and may democracy be the winner. Can we all agree on that? I feel sorry. I disagree. Oh. A lot of people I was expecting you. I can't even get agreement on that. We are a republic, not a democracy.
Starting point is 00:55:28 I appreciate your sentiment about election. You're a democratic republic. So can I say this? If Kamala Harris loses, I will accept that she loses. I will not inside a violent insurrection. I will not promote lies. And I will do whatever I can in the next four years as an American citizen, peacefully, like I've always done my entire life, to resist what I think is an authoritarian Trump
Starting point is 00:55:48 administration. By taking out their news? No, no, no. I think it will be terrible for our freedoms. I think it'll be terrible for the economy, for the health care. I think it will really hurt Trump voters, middle class, low-income white men, rural communities. You know my prediction if Trump wins, he won't be as bad as you lot fear and he won't be as good as he'd like us to believe. And that is the reality of what I suspect will happen a bit like his first term. Thank you to my panel.

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