Piers Morgan Uncensored - “They’ll Do It Again and AGAIN!” Charlie Kirk Debate Causes Guest Storm-Out

Episode Date: September 15, 2025

The assassination of Charlie Kirk has so far been anything but a unifying moment, from the sick celebrations, to some foreshadowing of vengeance and civil war. Kirk’s death was invoked by organizers of Saturday’s ‘Unite the Kingdom’ march in London; a mass anti-immigration protest, which may have been the biggest this country has ever seen. The distraught words of Charlie’s widow Erika Kirk were likely echoing in the minds of many there. There’s two powerful narratives in direct conflict right now, both in the UK and the US. One side sees an existential fight against the erosion of their culture and their values by people who revile both. The other can only see intolerance and bigotry. As always, the truth is probably on a middle ground that is very rapidly collapsing. To discuss this, Piers Morgan speaks to President Trump’s senior counsellor for trade and author of the new book: “I Went To Prison So You Won’t Have To” Peter Navarro before being joined by his panel; Human Events editor and friend of Charlie Kirk, Jack Posobiec, host of The Crucible, Andrew Wilson, host and executive producer of The Young Turks, Ana Kasparian, professor, philosopher and activist Dr Cornel West and streamer Destiny. Piers Morgan Uncensored is proudly independent and supported by: Birch Gold: Visit https://birchgold.com/piers to get your free info kit on gold. Oxford Natural: To watch their full stories, scan the QR code on your screen or visit https://oxfordnatural.com/piers/ to get 70% off your first order when you use code PIERS. Preorder Woke is Dead by Piers Morgan: https://www.waterstones.com/book/woke-is-dead/piers-morgan/9780008774592 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jasmine Crockett or Maxine Waters or Chuck Schumer, AOC, or Bernie Sanders, all of these bastards call us fascists with a straight face. This isn't New Testament turn the other cheek time. This is Old Testament. You see, this brother right here says, well, all leftists want to see me dead. When I'm a leftist, I don't want to see you dead. I'm a Christian. You call Trump's administration a neo-fascist movement, you lunatic. And look at him laughing now. joke, man. Pierce, it's not worth it. Kind of farcical to quit a debate, but we're literally

debating about the importance of free speech. Do you think that your response to the cold-blooded murder of Charlie Kirk has been appropriate? Yes. Why did you mock his widow? Because she's being used as a political weapon right now. Wow. Got up, Destiny.

Shut up. You're so stable, dude. From the sick, gleeful celebrations of his murder to the open talk of vengeance and civil war, the assassination of Charlie Kirk has so far been anything but a unifying moment. Kirk's death was invoked by organizers of Saturdays Unite the Kingdom March in London, a mass anti-immigration protest, which may be the biggest this country has ever seen. Elon Musk appeared on screen to say this.

Whether you choose violence or not, violence is coming to you. You either fight back or you die. You either fight back or you die. And that's the truth. Today, Elon, I think the British public are telling the world that they're ready to fight back. Good. Yes. Many of those cheering protesters will have traveled to Saturday's rally with the words of Charlie Kirk's widow, Erica, ringing in their ears.

If you thought that my husband's mission was powerful before, you have no idea. You have no idea what you just have unleashed across this entire country. country in this world, you have no idea. You have no idea the fire that you have ignited within this wife. The cries of this widow will echo around the world like a battle cry. It's not for me or anybody else to judge her a bereaved wife and mother grieves. Nobody can blame her for being angry and distraught. But it's fair to say that for many, her words, only can pander the sense of righteous fury and of us versus them. There are two powerful narratives in direct conflict right now,

both in the UK and the US. One side sees an existential fight against the erosion of their culture and their values by people who revile both. The other can only see intolerance and bigotry. As always, the truth is probably on a middle ground that's very rapidly collapsing. So too is the moral high ground

of those on the left who cling to the idea that hatred and division are only conservative problems. Rabble-rousing rapper Bob Violin smeared Charlie Kirk at a gig this weekend and then issued a cowardly denial. Yo, real quick, at no point during yesterday's show was Charlie Kirk's death celebrated at no point whatsoever. I want to dedicate this next one

to an absolute piece of shit of a human being. The pronouns were... I did call him a piece of shit. That much is true. but at no point was his death celebrated. If it was, go find me a quote. Shameful and pathetic, and it turned out a shocking liar too. We all saw very clearly what villains said and did.

Now, he doesn't even have the balls to stand by it. People like Bob Villan want you to believe that they are the good guys who only want peace and compromise. The fact is, there is much to blame for this precarious state of division as the very people they think they're so much better In a moment, we'll debate, or best with a stellar panel. We'll begin with Peter Navarro, President Trump's Senior Council of the Trade, and also the new book, I went to prison so you won't have to.

Peter Navarro, thank you very much indeed for joining me on Uncensored. When you hear a rapper... It's good to have you, albeit in a shocking week, frankly, the last seven days, I think it's shocked everybody. When you see a rap star brazenly celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk, and then pretending that he hadn't. What does that tell you about some of the reaction to his death? Accessory after the fact in the case of him.

Here's the thing, Pears. This is what's so disturbing. I want people around the world to understand. This is not a symmetric war left versus right. There's a disturbing trend towards, asymmetries in terms of what happened. Now, you think about this horrible, horrible assassination of Charlie Kirk. That's one in a series and the worst in the series, but it's just one in a series of attacks on the right, by the left, going back to the ascendance of Donald Trump in 2016. And let me

break that down for you. I was in the White House for four years during the Trump term. I was one of only two other people who served the president the whole time. Piers, and virtually every person at the senior level I served with was a target in the ensuing years by the left. Myself, Steve Bannon, went to prison defending the Constitution. Both of us were sent. Everyone involved in sending us to prison was a Democrat. You had four attempts in different courtrooms to put Donald Trump in prison, interfere with his election, and two assassination attempts on Donald Trump.

You have Charlie Kirk murdered in cold blood. And then others, I was here, 9-11 is a very sacred day for us here. I'm in New York City. I came up for the reading of the names, the people who perished in that horrible attack. And Rudy Giuliani was sitting there in the front row in front of me. He had just been at a terrible accident, his T-9, thoracic spine was crushed, but he was there. And the left has bankrupted America's Mayor Rudy Giuliani. They've taken away the bar cards of Jeff Clark and John Eastman.

And even people who weren't put into prison are spending millions of dollars. So the asymmetry, my point here is that there's this asymmetry. And now the left wants to do kumbaya and come in the middle and all this consensus stuff. And my message to them, it's why I wrote this book. It's a warning that we must hold these people accountable through legal means or peers. They'll do it again. They'll do it again and again and again. And you just listen to the Jasmine Crockett or Maxine Waters or Chuck Schumer, AOC, or Bernie Sanders.

All of these bastards call us fast. us fascists with a straight face when they're shooting at us, putting us in prison, and using the American justice system and politicians in black robes to do all sorts of damage to us. And that's the state of play here, peers. And if you've got a better solution than holding these people accountable so they won't do it again, I'd love to hear it. Because this isn't New Testament turn the other cheek time. This is Old Testament, legal justice, not lawfare justice.

Is there a danger? You know, I don't disagree with the law of what you've said. But is there a danger that in some of the rhetoric that is now being used by your side, and that's a wide to wide side with many different types of people on it. But when you hear Elon Musk, for example, talking about the need to fight back against violence, which many have taken to mean be violent as well, what do you feel about the tone that should be deployed? You've been very careful to say there you think it should be done legally,

but, you know, others are ramping up the rhetoric to imply that the only way to deal with violence is potentially to use violence themselves. U.S. national debt is more than $37 trillion, and these are uncertain ties to the global economy. It's enough to make you think. Maybe now would be a good time to buy some gold. Whether it's a hedge against inflation, peace of mind during global instability, or just sensible diversification, Birch Gold Group believes that every American should own physical gold, and they created something special. Until the 30th of September, if you're a first-time buyer, Birch Gold is offering a rebate of a to $10,000 in free metals and qualifying purchases.

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I mean, I'm seeing now coverage on the left of this. And as they call for kumbaya and things like that and mourn the loss of Charlie Kirk, there's always a but. There's always a but, whether it's the New York Times or some rapper or anything in between. As soon as you put that butt in there, that's a signal to the left that it's okay to kill people. It's subtle, but it's a signal. So we've got to be very careful there. Now, to Mr. Musk, Elon, come on, let's get real, brother. X is the biggest cesspool of violent rhetoric.

in the country other than Facebook. And if you want to make a real contribution, Elon, clean that damn thing up. And I'll tell you, Pierce, here's what should be done on X and Facebook and everywhere else. No more anonymity, no more hiding behind the mask of anonymity on social media. You have to respect the idea that if you won't say something to somebody, face in a civil setting, then you damn well shouldn't be allowed to say it on X or Facebook or Instagram. And right now, the toxicity level of social media is beyond the pale.

And it's not just people in this country who are spewing that. It's like foreigners are swarming right now, our social media. propagandizing. So, Elon, you know, there's a project for you, brother. Get us to Mars, clean up social media. I don't know which one's harder for you, Elon, but do them both. The governor of Utah, Spencer Cox, has described social media as a cancer, that it has the same impact on society as a cancer. And he's explained that in his eyes, it's very addictive and very toxic and behaves like it, like a disease. Would you go? along with that?

No, he's wrong. It's Ebola. It kills. We've seen it. It's like, I mean, look, that assassin, let's think about this. He's 22 years old. Where was his worldview formed? Gaming, where he's like virtually killing tens of thousands of people in his life on these

violent games. listen into social media. And look, remember what he said on his bullets, fascist. Who said that? Bernie Sanders, AOC, Jasmine Crockett, Maxine Waters, Chuck Schumer, like, Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh winds up having somebody come to his home to try to kill him after Chuck Schumer encouraged that. So I want to get back to this idea. I want peers. Like, I literally went to prison, okay,

for defending the constitutional separation of powers. I got a subpoena from an illegally formed Democrat committee formed by Nancy Pelosi out for a witch hunt on Donald Trump. For 50 years, the Department of Justice, said clearly, senior White House advisors like me should not honor a congressional subpoena because of a concept known as executive privilege. That's the idea that confidential communications between advisors like me and a president are protected by executive privilege, which is something that goes back to George Washington. And I wind up going through a process where I'm

a Democrat majority by straight party lines in the House holds me in contempt. It goes to a Justice Department run by Democrats, Merrick Garland on down. And it's a misdemeanor, peers, mind you. And rather than simply call me up and say, hey, self-surrender, they do a circus raid with five armed FBI agents. They take down me and my fiancee who's on the cover here. They purplog her. Tell CNN in advance that it's going to happen. They may get a big spectacle. And the agent, Walter Giedina, who put me in charge, turns out be the same guy who greenlit the steel dossier against President Trump, which was fake. He said it was real. He said it was

Israel, allegedly, whistleblowers. And that spawned the whole Russia hoax. And then I get, Pierce, you can't make this up. I go to court thinking, well, look, I did what I was supposed to do. I'll be able to argue that in court. No, no, no, no, no. The judge, Ahmed Mata, said, nope, you can't argue that. Yeah, I had no defense by the time I got into trial. And then the district of Columbia, I don't know if you know this, Pierce. But it voted, I think, was 92% for Joe Biden. It's the bluest of blue places in America. The jury pool is drawn from that.

The judge allowed anti-Trump people on the jury. They convicted me. And then rather than let me, again, you can't make this up, rather than let me be free pending appeal, which is always the case in these kind of cases, They denied me that. And so I spent four months in a Miami prison. I was there, get this, Pierce.

The director of the Bureau of Prisons kept me there 42 days longer than the law provides because she could, a Democrat. My case is under appeal. It's going to the Supreme Court. It's like a sleepy case, but it's a landmark constitutional case. And if I lose that case, Pierce, every single senior White House advisor going forward, regardless of party, Democrat or Republican, will face the same kind of choice that I had to face, which is honor my oath of office, do my duty, respect executive privilege, risk prison,

and wind up in prison as it would turn out, or bend the knee to a Congress which was simply trying to engineer an interference with the election and to try to put Donald Trump in prison. That's what American politics has come down to, sir. Yeah, you know, I just think this- It's shameful, it's wrong, and it's becoming more violent. Yeah, I think the politicization of the law, by everybody, actually, in politics, wherever you are,

it's just so dangerous because ultimately that is not what the law is supposed to be there for. It's not supposed to be used as they put. political tool against your opponents. Peter Navarro, it's a fascinating book. I went to prison so you won't have to, but I also found what you said about the Charlie Kirk murder fascinating, and interesting what Elon Musk will say in response to what you said about what he should do with X. So thank you very much indeed for joining me. I appreciate it. I appreciate the time, Pierce. Well, join me to discuss that and the wider issue of the Charlie Kirk murder, the host of the Crucible, Andrew Wilson, host, an executive producer of the Young Turks, Anna Kasparian,

the professor, philosopher and activist, Dr. Cornell West. I'll start with Jack Posobic, who's the senior editor at human events and a close friend of Charlie Kirk. Well, Jack, good to have you on Uncensored. My deepest sympathies to you is one of Charlie's many friends, absolutely horrific murder, cold blood execution, and we're now seeing all the fallout from this. what is your view of the reaction to what has happened with Charlie Kirk? I played at the start of this, a rapper, brazenly celebrating his death, then lying about celebrating it.

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Get 70% off with the promo code, Peers. Well, Pierce, thanks for having me on again. And, you know, it's, it's, I don't even know how to put it in words. I wake up on Wednesday, routine day. Charlie's going to campus. I'm covering the show. And then minutes later, I get footage of my friend getting murdered on live TV. And then I wake up the next day and I see thousands of people celebrating it and cheering it.

And here's a concert hall full of people clapping and laughing and a rapper, you know, cheering. it on and we've got a big problem here's we've got a big problem where people have just i i feel like they've they've they've lost their humanity i think that they've they've lost humanity and they've lost sight of and and and being totally dissociated with with humanity and with reality and i i think there's there's there's there's some kind of social spiritual cancer that's that's going on to take someone who is a young man who's a husband who's a father of two young children. I just saw the family this weekend. And, you know, just because of social media or, you know, you think someone's just an influencer, you know, just someone to disagree with that I can get away from them.

Well, it's not that. It's a real person. We're all real people. We're all real people. people, and I think we've all lost side of that. Has it made you more concerned about your own safety? You're a high-profile conservative. You know, you're out there. You're doing events. You're talking. How do you feel a lot of people must be asking themselves this question?

What now, in terms of your security and so on? Well, peers, look, there are people who did this. This was an evil act. This was not an accident. And obviously, we need to be secure. every event going forward, we need to make sure that there is pure security. Obviously, the question of outside events is something that's going to have to be discussed and considered whether or not we can properly secure that, not just for those of us who might be on the microphone,

but the people and, you know, the students and employees and staff who are going to be at these events and even just, you know, regular students on campus, I mean, campus security or all security. But the problem is, fears, is that we've entered into a very dark place. And I fear that until we really start to deal with this cancer that's been metastasized throughout our society, we're still going to be living with this threat. When Elon Musk addressed this very large crowd in London on Saturday and said that the only way to respond to this violence from the left is to fight back. Many have interpreted that to mean, you know, if need be violently. Do you feel that is ratcheting up the rhetoric too far, or do you think you meant something else?

I didn't hear all of Elon's speech. I've been dealing with other things this weekend. But look, in terms of fighting back, obviously, I think that we need to continue Charlie's mission, fight the way that Charlie fought, do politics the right way, fight with our. words, fight with our ideals, fight with dialogue, with speech. I've always stood for freedom of speech. Charlie always stood for freedom of speech. And when it comes to anyone who is perpetuating, though, this cancerist ideology, and, of course, that is perpetuating violence and excusing or encouraging violent ends, then that would cross the barrier, I would say, into law enforcement and having law enforcement action, local, state, federal, whatever the appropriate matter would be,

under color of law would be, of course, to try to prevent and intervene before one of these horrific acts once again takes place. And of course, we heard FBI director come out this morning and say that there were people who were discussing this in the open even before it took place. Obviously, all of that has to be investigated. But peers, in the United States, we used to have a huge problem of serial killers and other behavioral issues in society that we dealt with from a national standpoint. And I think we need just really set back, have that conversation, and figure out what the right national, federal response is going to be. Anna Kisperrin, what was your immediate reaction when you heard about what had happened to

Charlie Kirk and presumably at some stage saw the video? Well, it started with absolute shock. followed by despair, followed by fear of what this means for the country and how things could potentially and very likely devolve further. You know, Charlie and I had multiple debates and conversations. And what I really appreciated about Charlie, and I've said this multiple times, was that even though we had disagreements, he had a huge platform and was inviting to people like me to make my case to a completely different audience. about my point of view, why I believe things that I believe, and that's what is supposed to make America great. The ability to live in a pluralistic society

where people have differences of opinion but can engage with one another in good faith and make their case. You know, I was recently on Tucker Carlson's show for a pretty lengthy interview, and after that interview ended, Tucker Carlson let me know that Charlie Kirk reached out to him and said that he loved the interview and would like to have me on his show.

That's the kind of person Charlie Kirk was. Now, that's not to take away from the things that I vehemently disagreed with him on. But engaging in violence is an act of cowardice. It's what losers do. It's what people who are unable to articulate their arguments effectively resort to. That's my take on what happened to Charlie Kirk. And I have to say, the video of him, getting killed was one of the most disgusting, horrific things I've seen, and I can't get that image out of my mind. It's seared in my mind. What is, I mean, thank you for saying what you just said, very clear. What has been truly shocking to me, not just the murder itself, which was obviously just horrific, as was the video. And I agree, it's very hard to ever lose that, that image of what happened.

But the reaction from young people in particular on the left, I have to say I have found absolutely sickening. The glee, the celebration, the TikToks, the general, the behavior of this rap band, Bob Villain. And then the lying about the fact they were clearly celebrating in the most despicable manner what had happened to Charlie Kirk. You know, I've got no problem with people appraising Charlie Kirk's record and criticizing him where they feel. he was wrong about stuff. That's fine. That happens to every public figure when they die. But to gleefully celebrate the cold-blooded execution of a 31-year-old father of two, I just found crossed every line of humanity. And I guess, Anna, you know, a lot of these young people,

you've met a lot of these young people on the left. What is going on with young people on the left? And I'm not just saying, I'm not for a moment saying there aren't young people on the right that have similar mindsets about about their opponents. But what is going on with these young people on the woke left who genuinely look at that and think this is something to celebrate? Oh, and welcome.

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where debate triumphs over censorship and where common sense is king. you will be shocked by how much you agree with me. Well, I'm going to answer the question, but let me just note that there are different factions on the left. And I think the way that this is kind of being discussed in a way that just kind of generalizes everyone on the left is kind of unfair. But putting that aside, I do think that we have an overall problem. I think what happened is a symptom of a bigger issue that we have, not just in this country, but I'm seeing it happen globally, where there's just this dehumanization of people based on their political views. And on top of that, the devaluing of human life, right?

I mean, we've been seeing images of people being butchered, children being butchered endlessly on social media over the last nearly two years. Prior to that, I mean, the rhetoric that devalues human life, I think has played a role into it. But also, I just think that there's this dumb idea that all you need to do is like get rid of or take out some of the prominent figures on the political side of the aisle that you disagree with, and that will somehow solve the issue. No, that doesn't solve the issue. What it does is it makes the situation in various countries where this type of political violence plays out far worse. Now you're hearing talk of retaliation in a violent way.

When it comes to the Trump administration, you're hearing, you know, policies that are being proposed that would, limit the legitimate political speech of Americans. I am concerned about that. What that disgusting murderer did is he pushed for this country to devolve further. And I wish that cooler heads would prevail, but at the same time, I don't begrudge people who are angry.

I mean, that poor wife and her two children witnessed Charlie Kirk get shot and killed in the neck. I don't begrudge her at all for being furious. I can't even imagine where my headspace would be at right now if that happened to my husband right Andrew Wilson where were you when you heard about Charlie Kirk and

what is your view of the of the fall out from this? Yeah I was sitting with my wife watching TV so the thing is I remember this picture circulating around of Charlie Kirk he was debating the incoming president of the Oxford Union and they were all smiles

and handshakes and by the next day this guy was saying the most insane rhetoric about how he basically had it coming. So how many of these leftists have murderous intent when we show up, we show up to have a conversation with them, we show up to debate our views, we show up to in some way engage with them, how many of them have seething murderous intent behind their eyes

and they don't really want to do any of that. They really want you dead. And that is the biggest demonstration of that, by the way in that one single picture you have anna cusparian here here and she's she's talking about this the young turks called charlie kirk a fascist how many times the young turks played into this rhetoric how much they went out of their way to do so ruben recently called him out for doing it so i just i just i just hang on hang on hang on literally never i didn't interrupt you once i didn't interrupt you once lady you'll have a chance to talk about what i've said about charlie kirk

you can talk when i'm done talking like i was respectful enough to let you do so the thing thing is, is like, yes, they do. This network does do that. And these leftists do do that. And they set all the rhetoric up in the world to make sure something like this happened. And they were dancing on the grave of this guy before he was even cold. I have tweets from Destiny, which are insane. The leftists have gone off the reservation. And it's time for us to stop pretending that it's not their rhetoric, which is leading to these types of assassinations because it is. I don't want to hear about factions. All of you guys are doing this. All of you guys have. All of you guys have the same type of rhetoric which leads to this or the networks you work for do well anna let me

let me let you respond to that before i bring call i have never called him i have never called charlie kirk a fascist number one in fact if anything we have received a tremendous i don't remember trump i don't remember jank calling charlie kirk a fascist in fact you just don't recall got into a debate about whether or not hold on i don't i don't remember jank calling charlie kirk a fascist he He called Trump a fascist, and he and I got into a debate about that. But to lump in everyone on the left together, I don't agree with destiny on anything these days. Destiny is totally unhinged in his rhetoric 100%.

I have been critical of Charlie Kirk's political views. But going around, referring to people as Nazis, you know, turning the temperature up, I did not engage in that. So I just want you to at least be fair about what I've actually said about Charlie. There's no actual reason for us to believe. left us at this point it's very clear that while they come out with a handshake and wanting to have these conversations they claim they claim right in in reality what they're what they're doing is they have murderous intent and they'll celebrate you the day that you die the next day they'll go after your

wife thousands of social media accounts going after her wife or this guy's wife after he she made a speech about her poor husband yes it is your side that's doing that like it or not it's your side that's doing that. There's no equivalency between the right and the left on this. Okay, fine. You're not a leftist. I'm sorry, are you on the left wing? Are you a Democrat? Are you more of a Democrat than you are a Republican? Do you move towards those types of issues? I'm not a Democrat. I actually registered as an independent. Fine. You're registered as an independent. Come on. You got to at least know what my views are if you're going to attack me. All right. Let me bring in. So what are your views on Trump? I've been attacked by the left over the last three years.

All right. Let me bring in. No, no, no. I've been attacked by the left. No, no, no, no. I've been attacked by the left. No, no, let me pierce. Let me just at least address that. I've been attacked viciously by leftists over the last three years because of the fact that I want to engage in this type of dialogue. Because of the fact I was willing to sit down with Charlie Kirk and with Tucker Carlson

and Ben Shapiro. I'm willing to have conversations and I don't go around labeling people as fascist and racists and Nazis just because I disagree with them. Just the organization you work for does? Understand what my political views are. Listen, I'm not going to

be blamed for what everyone in that company has to say anyone in that company has to say I'm an individual. We are supposed to judge people based on individuals. He did not go around calling Charlie Kirk a fascist and a Nazi. You don't have, you don't have good reasoning skills. If it's the

case that you think, oh my God, you can't be calling people Nazis. You can't be calling people Nazis while your boss does all the time. Why are you making that up? You're just making it up. You're just making it up. We're all the same. You're all the same. That's how simple-minded you are. You're all the same. It's not simple-minded to point out the truth.

It's just like Dylan Roof. All right. Let me, all right, let me, let me, I want to bring in Cornell West. I want to bring in Cornell West. I want to bring in Cornell West. I want to bring in Cornell.

He's been waiting very patiently. Cornell, welcome back to uncensored, where things are getting incendiary quite quickly. I think the overriding point I would make about the debate we've just been hearing between Andrew and Anna is that, There is little doubt to me that the constant rhetoric on the left, the woke left, let me be specific to where I think a lot of the blame lies,

ever since Donald Trump came into power in 2016, has been this relentless use of the phrases, Hitler, Nazis, fascists, about Trump and about Trump supporters. And the problem with constantly saying this as a group, as the woke left have done for, you know, nine years now, is that eventually it permeates down to young impressionable minds who genuinely believe that it is their mission to stop America from being taken over by the new Nazis

or the new fascists or the new Hitler. And that leads to the kind of thing we saw with Charlie Kirk. Do you agree that this language, this relentless, in my view, woeful misuse, particularly of the word Nazi, towards Trump and his supporters. This is part of the problem. Well, I think part of the deeper problem,

no, Brother Pierce, is that the organized greed and weaponized hatred and routinize indifference toward the vulnerable has come together in such a way that it has eroded the sources of character formation so that integrity, honesty, decency, and self-critical. sensibilities of individuals and groups is more and more disappearing.

So when you end up with prime, because hatred itself is promiscuous, just like greed, just like indifference toward the suffering of others. It's promiscuous. It will lie with the left, right, center. It lies with Christians. It lies with Muslims. It lies with Jews. It lies with Buddhists.

It lies with Hindus. And human beings were so wretched in the future. first place, if we don't undergo some kind of spiritual and moral cultivation, we end up falling back on greed and hatred and indifference. And I mean, the American Empire at this moment is one in which the lethal combination of the hatred and the greed and the indifference generates very much the exchange that we just saw. You see, this brother right here says, well, all leftists want to see me dead. When I'm a leftist, I don't want to see you dead. I'm a Christian. You call Trump's, I call Trump's administration a neo-fascist movement, you lunatic. You people have gone out of your

way. You have gone out of your way. No, no, let me make the case. Let me make the case. Will you allow me to speak, brother? Come on, man, come on. No, no, no, you have made the case. If you think I've made the case and you're not understood dialogue. You said this. You're different. You're very, very different, brother, Charlie. You're very different, brother, Charlie. man. You're very different in Charlie, though, man. He, yes, yes, absolutely. And I can make a red lace for that. People like you that got that man killed, sir.

No, no, no, no. There are such a thing as neo-fascists. But Pierce, Pierce, why you have a brother on who's not going to allow nobody to speak, man? We're just wasting time. If all your incident is making your money and you bring this brother on it and nobody can say a word

and we can't even mourn brother Charlie passing, I had dialogues with Brother Charlie. This brother's going to say, oh, this kumbaya and so forth. No, Charlie was made in the image of a loving and mighty God. I believe that. I say my prayers for Sister Erica and the kids because this brother wants to trash my Christian sensibility and look at him laughing now.

It's a joke, man. Pierce, it's not worth it. Is Charlie Kurt part of the neo-fascist movement? Not with this, brother. Is he part of your neo-fascist movement? Yeah. Run away. Run away, run away.

Says that he is against civil rights act. Does that make him a proponent of Jim Crow? When he calls Martin Luther King, Jr., an awful human being. There it is. I'm critical of that. I am critical of that. You're absolutely right, brother Wilson. You're absolutely right.

But if all you're going to do is be arrogant, you're arrogant just like the so-called leftists you're talking about. But Pierce, you're making your money, brother. Go on and make your money, man. It's not worth it. It's not about making money. This other brother, this other brother who has a deep connection to Charlie, he's willing to at least listen.

But this brother's not willing to listen. Colonel, can you sit down? I would like you to remain part of the debate. This is ridiculous. This is ridiculous. He's smoking his cigarettes with his arrogant himself. Come on, man. We don't have enough dialogue at all.

Surely you're not going to walk out in a debate about dialogue. Why don't you cry more? Go on and make your money, man. Right. Well, there's a kind of farcical to quit a debate where we're literally debating about the importance of free speech and being able to listen to each other's opinions, which seems to me completely insane.

Anyway, we've lost Cornel West for now. Maybe we'll get him back. Well, Andrew Wilson referred to Destiny's insane tweets a little earlier, which were disavowed by Anna Kasperian. Well, Destiny joins us now. Destiny, you've been quite active on social media since Charlie Kirk's death. When Erica Kirk posted Charlie's coffin,

you responded, she tagged him, brackets, crying face emojis. In response to Alina Habber's tweet, ordering people to fly their flags, a half-master memory of Charlie, you posted on X, buying flags and polls just to fly them fully erect. And you then posted yesterday,

ending every conservative debate call out I do in 2026 with, don't dodge bro. That's not what. what Charlie would have wanted. I mean, do you think that your response to the cold-blooded murder of Charlie Kirk has been appropriate? Yes. I think that the only way this country moves forward into a better world is when conservatives can finally realize

that they need to turn the temperature down on their side. We are 10 years into whatever this Trump madness is, and there is not a single mainstream conservative that will call for a lowering of the temperature on their side. I think that liberals need to wake up and finally realize that if they're not willing to do it, it will never come down. If you wanted Charlie Kirk to be alive, Donald Trump shouldn't have been president for the second term. Every time he's in office, this happens. People joked about when Biden came in, it was so boring, nothing was going on. Seven out of ten of the largest protests in American history

have happened under Donald Trump, all of the recent political violence that's happened in this country over the past 20 years, the majority of it, the overwhelming majority of it, everybody gets mad because they keep asking Grock about it, has been conservative. Who has been? Who shot Charlie Kemp? Kirk. A guy from Utah who was raised in a Christian family, who was a 22-year-old wife. He was a trans. He was a trans. He didn't have a trans girlfriend. He didn't have any trans influences. He didn't have any trans bullets. Yeah, I'm sorry you guys were wrong on all of that. To be clear, the governor of Utah, Spencer Cox, has made it clear that their investigation has now established that he had been radicalized by a leftist ideology, which drove him to do this.

I'm sorry. Excuse me. When? Yesterday, he said that. No, no, no, no. When was he radicalized in the six months that he did remote college? I don't know when he was radicalized, but I do know. I do know the very reasonable sounding governor of Utah has made it clear that the event... You may not want to hear this. You may not want to hear it, destiny.

But the reality is the investigators, according to the governor of Utah, have established that he was radicalized to a leftist ideology that drove him to murder Charlie Kirk. Now, let me just ask you. That's just not true. Let me just ask you. There's no way to deal with it. Okay, you'll accuse from the governor of lying. That's your prerogative. But if it turns out to have been somebody with a leftist ideology who wanted to shut up Charlie Kirk, would you condemn that?

I won't condemn anything until the president of the United States can go on air and say, all of us need to calm down. So you won't condemn the murder of Charlie Kirk until Donald Trump says something. I'm a YouTuber. Leftist and Democrats have. been condemning and turning down the temperature, condemning violence turning the temperature for a decade. Donald Trump can't go on TV and say all of us need to calm down.

Right. Can you tell me why he cannot why would you expect anybody to calm down? You can't answer that, can you answer that question? Can you answer this question? All of us should be less violent. Why do you think, why do you think... Why is your behavior contingent on Donald Trump? Right now. Why is your behavior contingent on Donald Trump?

Let me ask you question. Because he's the president of the United States of America and the leader of the opposing political. Destiny. You have a huge audience of young men who listen to everything you have to say. So when you, it doesn't matter. You have a huge audience. And because of the fact that you have a huge audience, you have a responsibility to not turn. No, it hasn't. It hasn't been broken. I actually care about the country and want to bring people together. You do the opposite. You represent the worst of us, destiny. You're embarrassing. You should tell Donald Trump. You should tell us. All right. Let me ask destiny a question. Watch how easy to say. If Donald Trump would have come out and say, hey, we should all be less violent?

Destiny. I have no problem saying absolutely. I have one question for you, Destiny. Why can't conservatives do that? Destiny, I have a question for you. Why do you think in your campaign for everyone to dial down the temperature? Why do you think that mocking the grieving widow of Charlie Kirk when she posts an image of her at the coffin side, why do you think that constitutes turning down the temperature?

You can't turn down the temperature on your own. The president of the United States is not able. You're mocking his widow. You're mocking his widow. We've had multiple political assassinations over the past year. What do you mean? It's turning up the temperature. Why did you mock his widow?

Why did you mock his widow? Because she's being used as a political weapon right now for conservatives to continue. What do you mean? Wow. She's literally doing her-cooked ads on email. Yeah, and she's using it to drive up recruitment for a political movement. And you can't even condemn the murder. You won't condemn it.

The president can't even tell his side to turn. You're so deranged about Trump that you cannot condemn the murder because you're waiting for Donald Trump to say something. All right, let me bring in, let me bring in Jack. Let me bring in Jack for the world. I've got to say. There's still no answer to that question, peers. You can't say, why can't Donald Trump?

Why can't Donald Trump simply go on TV and say, we all need to turn it down? Like Biden could. Like Obama could. Fine. Like the Clinton's good. Like Kamala could. Why not?

Why can't you condemn the murder of Charlie Kerf? It's unbelievable. I'm not the president of the United States. Why can't you condemn the murder of Charlie Kirk? Unbelievable to me. Why can't you condemn the murder of Charlie Kirk? Because it wasn't my side that caused it. Yes, it was.

It actually was your side that caused it. It was your side. This guy was raised in a white Christian household. He was a radicalized leftist ideology. He wasn't radicalized by leftism at all. You have no proof of that whatsoever. That's what the investigators are saying. Was a conservative.

Just like the people at firebime Shapiro's house was a conservative. Just like all the J-Sixers were conservative. He was not a conservative. He was a pro-Palistianian. Every single one of these, every single one of these people, oh, it's Jack Prasovic, what, the author of Unhuman, another person that Charlie's pointed? Good one, dude.

Well, I'll give you one last chance, Destiny, to condemn the murder of Charlie King. Yes, you are acting like a non-human. Why can't I hear Donald Trump? Because you're against too many. All right, you won't condemn it. Okay, we've all heard, we've all heard you repeatedly refuse to condemn it. And we've heard Donald Trump refuse to condemn it, too.

But for some reason, the leftists on YouTube are a bigger deal. Unbelievable. Yeah, what's incredible is you don't have the basic humanity to condemn. you'd rather taunt his widow. I find that sickening. Jack Posobic. I find it sickening that when people are getting killed in the country, the president of the United States on Fox and Friends,

when they're begging him. What do you say to your followers that want revenge? He says, I don't know. All the elections are rigged. It's the radical Democrats. That's insane to me. And then the fixation is, well, who on Twitter and YouTube isn't condemning the violence?

All right, Jack Posobic. You have a great example here of the type of cancer I'm talking about where when you present direct information, they refuse, they obfuscate, they refuse, they say it's not true, they lie. You could see from the bullet casings, you could see from postings, you can see from everything out there that, you know, it's very clear what happened here. This is the same people who supported President Trump almost getting assassinated twice last year, Corey Coppatory being assassinated by conservatives. In a situation.

Again, see, just lies as all they do. They talk over. They don't even let you give a chance to speak. And something needs to be done, peers. There's something absolutely needs to be done. This ideology should be shamed, humiliated, driven from the public discourse. I mean, you've got people who have completely dissociated with humanity because all they care about, flicks and YouTube streams and likes, go go to the casket, go to the gravesite,

go talk to the widow, you know, I don't even know how to how to discuss this with someone who has completely lost all touch with reality. Yeah, I mean, Anna. What's Jack's answer to why? why can't the president say we should all be less violent? Right. Because you can't even condemn the cold-blooded execution of Charlie Kurt. I don't think you're in the position to demand anything from anybody.

That's how I'm going to take my point. You're not in any position to condemn anybody for anything. You won't condemn a cold-blooded murder. He's the president of the United States. He's the president of the United States. No one here can answer that question. Basic humanity says the murder was horrific. Why can't you say it?

Why can't you say it to be less violent? Why can't you say it for over a decade? To say the murder. It was horrific and unacceptable. Why can't Donald Trump say it? You can't do it, can you hear of any words for Donald Trump? All right, Anika Sparren. And nothing exactly.

Anika Sparin, to me, this is what I'm talking about, that I think there is an element of the left, the hard, woke left, that have completely lost their minds. If you are not able to just outright simply condemn the murder of Charlie Kirk, and if you cannot stop yourself from mocking his grieving widow, you are sick. as I've just seen from destiny. It's a sick thing is weaponizing a widow's grief to try to do recruitment for your political party. That's probably one of the most disgusting things I've ever said. She's showing up in emails for recruitment drive for TPA USA. What did you think for somebody who's husband was just killed?

I would say you probably take the outcome was going to be. What did you think the outcome was? By the way, are you asking me for the pragmatic political outcome? Are you asking me for? Hey, how about take it easy on the Adderall? Take it easy on the Adderall and let me answer the question that Pierce asked me. You must have been really bullied today. My behavior is not reliant on how anyone else behaves.

Every morning I wake up and I make decisions about how I choose to react or respond to things. I don't wake up in the morning, check what Donald Trump has to say and then base my own personal behavior on his behavior. I agree with you in that it would be very helpful to have the leader of this country want to turn the temperature down. And he hasn't done that. I agree with you on that. But that doesn't change the way I choose to respond to what's going on. The idea of mocking a woman who is now a widow with two young children who witnessed her husband, get shot in the neck and bleed out to death.

How can you mock that? What is wrong with you? I just don't understand it. That's it. I don't understand it. I don't understand you, Destiny. You have so much hatred in your heart. And at the same time, if you're going to weaponize somebody's grief against the other party,

But then, of course, people have a right to fight back against it. I think that she has every right to grieve in whatever way she wants. But when that grief is going to be weaponized to do recruitment, political recruitment, and further radicalization of the other side, then, of course, you not only have the ability to mock it, I think you have the obligation to mock it. It's insane. Let me understand. Let me understand your argument.

So since others are using her grief to politically recruit, you think that it's okay to mock her specifically. Since others are using her grief, she's the one who gave a, 17-minute speech on TV where she talked about good versus evil. She's the one showing up in TPP USA ads to one or two days after. If someone assassinated my husband, if someone assassinated my husband, I would not be able to have the level of composure she had during that speech. I would be out for blood.

I understand why she's angry and why she said the things that she said. You need to understand what being a human is, what it's like to actually lose someone that you love, that you chose to spend your life with, that you chose to raise children with, a person who was violently and viciously assassinated like that. That's fine. And when something has... I know, yes, because you got bullied online.

It's so funny. It's so funny that you just said that you don't think about how other people act to define your behavior. Your entire political ideology now is somehow defined by the people that were mean to you on Twitter. No, it's not. No, I understood what the flaws on the left happened to be. Maybe you should stop back for a couple of weeks.

No, no. It's not about the way I get treated. You don't say, hey, let's throw a camera on front of you. And have you do mass recruitment for our political party, while everyone over here is calling for civil war. It's unhinged. When you've got people like Matt Walsh in the daily wire, the president of the guy who said he'd be okay with his own parents getting killed if they went to that Trump rally where that assassination happened.

There's no reasoning with you, destiny. There's no reasoning with you. Nothing bad to say whatsoever. I know where your bread is murdered. I know where you're making your money from. And it was great. I had awesome conversations. I don't regret it at all.

I also had a conversation with Jack Posobie on her take. It was awesome. That's what democracy is about. Having an exchange of ideas. Yeah. All right, let me bring in. Let me bring in. I don't agree with him on everything,

but at least we can have dialogue. Anna, you're completely right, by the way. Anna is completely right. And the irony of Charlie Kirk is that he led the way in going in to debate with people who hated him and he would try and have respectful dialogue. Unlike you, Destiny.

Let me bring Andrew Wilson in. No, to you. Let me bring it, so do you. So do you. You beat up on college students. You're going on a college tour right now to beat up on college students. What are you talking about, Destiny? That's what you're doing right this second is going on a college tour to go beat up on college students.

By the way, can I just ask you a question? I don't exclusively beat up on college students. Can you actually answer? Can you actually answer? Hang out. I just got one question. I got one question for you. And I want you to actually answer it.

Are you glad Charlie Kirk is dead? No, I don't think anybody in this country should be dying to pull. violence. It's insane. The past five years in this country has been crazy. But the reality is until conservatives have to say that Trump to serve a billet, why did you tell him that? Until conservatives have to say, hey, we all need to be less violent. There's no purpose in Democrats doing it because every time Democrats disavow, you further entrench your guys as delusional beliefs that all the violence is coming on the left. Donald Trump can go on TV. He can say, proud boys, stand back and stand by. They can go on parlor and say, we heard you, they can go to the Capitol and break in and try to

insurrect. They can get convicted in front of a jury and then Donald Trump can pardon them and we can come out and go, hey guys, why aren't Democrats dissimifying balance on. Pretend that the problem is coming from the left. Democrats do a disservice to this country. Okay, okay. Hang on. Let me respond quickly. Let me respond quickly. Let me respond quickly. Desi so the thing is, why did you say to your co-host that the bullet that the bullet was for Trump. Why did you say to your co-host that the best place for the bullet was Trump? Why did you say that? Why did Donald Trump call him? What aboutism? What aboutism? I'm asking you a question. I can't be what aboutism if it's my question. Destiny. Why won't Donald Trump answer the question?

Why don't we do this? Why don't we do this? Why don't we do this? Why don't we do this before I cut minds? You don't care. Destiny. Destiny, allow Andrew, allow Andrew to repeat his question. and let him ask the question, then you answer it, okay? Andrew. No, now, I want to hear the other. No, no, let him ask the question. Let him ask the question, Destiny, and then you answer it. Andrew.

Destiny told his co-host, when asked point blank, if he wanted the bullet to kill Trump, that the worst thing that could have happened was the bullet missing. He said this to Pisco, I watched it, okay? This guy's an obfuscation machine. And you know what else, Destiny? why should we believe you? I think you are glad Kirk is dead. And all of your tweets seem to prove that.

And he would have been happy if Trump was assassinated. You've made that very clear. So why not just be truthful for once in your fucking life and say the truth that you don't care that Kirk is dead? And you're actually probably glad he is. Isn't that really what's true? I don't want anybody in this country to die to political violence. I don't think of the United States of America that should be happening.

I don't know why it's so hard for the president to say the same. I think it would be the easiest thing in the world as a president. Biden did it for four years to why everything was way cooler when he was here, like in terms of temperature. The Clintons have no problem saying it. Barack Obama has no problem saying it. Kamala Harris has come out and said it. Every Democratic lawmaker and leader has basically come out and said it. But for some reason on the Republican side, it's just civil war, civil war, civil war. And the Republican president of the United States, who has presided over more violence politically in this country, more large protests than any president in all of U.S. history, for some reason can't bring himself to say, all of us need to calm down. So did Trump deserve the bullet? I'm going to love to say it.

Did Trump deserve a bullet? This is all you care about it. Are the political hijack jobs is actually insane to me? Did Donald Trump deserve the bullet? Did he deserve a bullet? Did Donald Trump answer the question? Did Trump deserve the bullet? You can't answer the question.

We're here to play. No, bro, it's my turn to ask the question. It's your turn to answer. It's YouTube video clips. Did Trump deserve the bullet? Did Trump disavile violence in this country ever? Did he deserve the bullet? Yes, he's just about violence.

But again, I just did. Now your turn. Now your turn. Now your turn. Did Donald Trump? Trump deserved the bullet. I never said that. No, I never said that.

Okay, except you did to your co-host. No, I did it. Oh, wait. When did Donald Trump? Wait, wait. When did Donald Trump does about all violence in this country? Your exact words to your co-host? You lying sack of shit.

If he wanted to kill Trump, the worst thing that could have happened, was the bullet missing. That's what you said. And this is, yeah, yep. And this is where when you're putting YouTubers, when you're putting YouTubers and tweeters on the same levels as the president of the United States,

this is why conservatives are absolutely brain broken when it when it comes to violence in this country. And so I don't continue. But destiny, destiny, destiny, destiny, destiny, destiny, why don't be like, I can't believe it. Destiny. Destiny. Destiny.

What's going on? What's happening here? Okay, Destiny, if you care so much about political violence in America, why don't you lead the way yourself without mentioning anybody else? Why don't you, why don't you, Destiny, right now, just outright condemn the murder of Charlie Kirk? One, because we've been doing that for a decade. One side can't turn down the temperature. You can't do it.

If Donald Trump can't, then the left shouldn't until he does. Got it. Republicans need accountability for their actions. They need some responsibility for the insanity. Even though you've taken on yourself. Let me bring in Jack Poshobe. We absolutely, Democrats, that's enough to say. I'll bring in Jack Posobic, Jack.

Nice, both sides it. Jack. What is your response to this? I mean, peers, this. This is exactly what I'm talking about, you know, this type of ideology where you've got someone who's willing to mock Erica, who's been standing strong for her family, for her children, who's just, she will never be able to grow old with Charlie. She will never be able to be with them again, have more children, to have grandchildren, to have those memories, to raise them. it's all gone. Every single moment of that future

that they had was gone because someone fired a bullet at Charlie Kirk that said, hey, fascist catch. And now you have people celebrating it. And when you ask people about it, they say, Oh, how are you lying about this even? Got up, Destiny. Holy shit.

You're so shameful, dude. Oh, my God. You're not even not even not the right bullet. You're such a disgusting piece of shit. Holy fuck. What a pedantic. What a pedantic point. Are we even going to do this?

The guy's a fucking professional lawyer. It's total pedig. I would like to let Jack finish his point, please. And they'll claim there's no leftist connection. They'll claim there's no and then go so far as to lie and say there's some kind of Christian conservative connection when you could see the writing on the bullet casings. And so these are very common symbols,

associate, whatever. The point is, right, It should be very, very clear. Are we connected with our humanity or are we not? And some people are willing to do that. Anna's been willing to do that. We've done shows together. They've been fine.

They've been good. We've gouged. We've done the back and forth. Dest and I and I in the past have had shows together where, you know, before he kind of took this turn. And, you know, you think there are people who can just be willing to stand up for humanity. You know, Jack, it reminds me a bit of the journey I've got. on very different circumstances, but the Israel-Hamas war,

the reason I asked everybody on the pro-Palestinian side for months after the war started, do you condemn what Hamas did? I think it was very enlightening as to the humanity of the person by how they responded. If their immediate response was, of course I do, the mass murder of civilians on October the 7th was a horrendous atrocity,

then we can move on to an intellectually honest debate. If they refused to condemn what Hamas did, it's a completely different debate. And similarly right now, I feel if you can't condemn a lot of what the IDF are doing, frankly, it's my opinion, in Gaza, then the same thing. If you're unequivocally like, it's all fine with 20,000 plus kids being killed, then I've got a problem with that too. But I do think you've got to try and maintain in all of these debates

a modicum of humanity about people who are actually being. killed. And what is terrifying about the mindset of a lot of people on the woke left are seen since Charlie Kirk's death is the brazen glee that they're taking to his murder. And then when I see even Destiny, who's a very well-followed person on the internet, well-known, when Destiny, frankly, if you can't bring yourself just to say the murder was horrific and should never have happened, it's a very simple sentence. It's just basic human. It's just basic It really makes me despair for where everything is going, because it's indicative of the mindset of,

I can't give an inch to my political opponents, therefore I lose my humanity. How can that be right? Because you can't give an inch to political opponents that won't recognize or acknowledge anything they've done is wrong. All it's done has gotten us here. This is where we're at because of that exact mindset. Will any of the conservatives here acknowledge the conservative

that murdered Melissa Hortman and her husband and shot the other senator? in Minnesota? Yeah, of course. Yeah. That it was a conservative shooter? No, no, no.

That it was a conservative shooter? I don't know the details on that particular case. If I did, and it turned out that it was the case, of course, I would say that such violence should be disavowed. Thing is, you can't hold

your entire moral standard based on what you think Trump is doing or not doing. What does it have to do with you, Destiny? It has nothing to do with you. You can easily just say, you can lead by example

and say, let's all tone down the violence. You can lead by example. I'm not the president. of the United States. That's what Democrats have been doing for the last decade. Wait, you can't lead by example because you're not the president? That's a stupid thing I've heard today, Desiard. If one side wants to fight and the other side doesn't, then you're going to fight.

One side can't decide not to fight. What does that happen? What do you mean? It makes no sense. You can easily. You can easily. You can easily just say it now, Destiny. I don't want to.

You don't really have the choice there. Lead by example. Lead by example. You can't lead by example. That's called dying. You can. I don't. I don't know.

She thought, let me jump in. Let me jump in here. I actually felt that Anna hit the nail on the head here, which is she did not need to wait for Donald Trump to comment on this to make her own mind up about what had happened. That is intellectual honesty, right? Yes, it may be somebody that she totally disagreed with on many issues. The simple she main thing to do with any event like this is to ask yourself,

how do I personally feel about it? Not what does Donald Trump think about it or what does Joe Biden think about it or what does Tim Buck two think about it? It's what do I personally feel about this? It didn't take me very long, destiny, to understand that I felt repulsed by the execution of somebody in cold blood

with his wife and two young children there watching. It's a human reaction. I don't need to know what Donald Trump thinks about it at all. I don't understand why you need to wait for him before your own humanity case in. I don't need to wait for anybody. No, you're not asking how we feel about it.

You're asking what the public statements should be. And the public statements should be the president of the United States. Yes, you are. You're asking me for a public statement right now. I'm asking, where is your humanity? You can't just say the murder was wrong. Where is your humanity peers? You guys are playing into this exactly.

I think you probably know it. I think Cornell was right about this. You know where your bread is buttered as well. You guys play into this. It's insane to me that the president of the United States can't say, hey, all of us need to be less violent. We all need to calm the fuck down. That the president of the United States can't say this,

but you will endlessly scour Twitter and YouTube for leftists to bring on and say, don't you guys disavow the violence? It's absolutely absurd to me. You know, Cornel West should have stayed in his seat. We were debating free speech, actually. You're not debating free speech. Let me finish.

Let me finish. And whether the overuse of words like Hitler, Nazis, and fascists was actually empowering deranged young minds to think they were battling actual new Hitler, Nazis and fascists. And actually, when Andrew pointed out to Cornell, that he had used the phrase neo-fascist about Trump, that's when Cornell decided he couldn't take part of the debate anymore,

when he was reminded of something he had said. He didn't try and deny it. He just said, I don't want to have this debate and left. Pierce, how long have you been in the United States, like following our politics? Over 20 years, I've lived and worked in America. Okay, if you've lived and worked in America, I grew up as a conservative, listening to Rush Limbaugh and to Glenn Beck and to Billy Cunningham and to Sean Hannity. You're going to sit here and pretend like Democrats are the ones that started the name calling. I heard them call Obama and the Clinton socialists and communists.

When did I say that? I'm just saying, why are we pretending that some people calling him? I'm saying, why did Cornell West walk out on a debate when we're literally talking about the importance of speech? Makes no sense to me. If speech is important, then the president should exercise. exercise it more cautiously. So should you. So should you.

So should you. So should you. You've got millions of followers and you think it's fine to show them. You're mocking a widow. You cannot choose for your opponent not to fight you. Fine. You mocked a grieving widow. Then who cares?

Donald Trump should have used the rhetoric that led her to be killed. Two days before she dies. Who cares that you must have a grieving widows? It's just virtue signaling. You guys are excited about it. You guys love it. How is it? How is it that you said this guy can't possibly be a leftist?

It's exciting to you. It's insane to me. How is it that you said this guy can't be a leftist? Because he grew up in a white Christian household. When you grew up in a white Christian household by your own admission just now and you're a fucking leftist, destiny. I'm 36 years old. This guy was 22 and he lived at home basically his entire life.

What does that have to do with anything? 20 years to separate myself from my parents' ideology. I didn't live with them still. Jesus. So six months? One year? 20 years? Why does it matter how long it took?

separate you just got to say it was impossible and you yourself are a leftist who grew up in a Christian conservative household dude you're the worst hypocrite I've ever seen hold on I'm sorry you you think you think you think that a 22 year old has as much time to separate himself from the ideology that he grew up with I say that 36 year old didn't say you just made the comparison of course you did it's not put me off yeah let me let me jump in let me jump in let me ask jack Jack, you know the Kirk family well. You've been around the Kirk family, I think, since this is appalling murderous happen. When you hear Destiny saying, who cares about the fact that he openly publicly mocked Erica, Kirk,

a grieving widow within literally a day or two of her husband being murdered, how does that make you feel as a friend of the family? It's very angry, Kurt. It appears, you know. And here's the thing is she's seeing all. of it she's going to see all of it her kids are going to watch this video one day it's just that's sort of the nature of of reality now um they will see all of this and they will see the reaction and i just hope that those of us who knew charlie worked with charlie who knew charlie beyond the

you know tic talks and short videos can can also be there for those kids as they grow up to let them know who their dad was. And kids are going to grub and watch old episodes of Pierce Morgan uncensored. How performative is this? Is everybody here? Do we all get like a script before the show? What? You watch a lot of old episodes of the J.M.

You make the left look so bad and you don't even realize it. You are seriously so embarrassing. Okay. You can talk to your best friend. You really are. I mean, you feel. Maybe I will. Maybe I will talk to Glenn Beck about it.

Oh, is that, ooh, is that noddy? How many conversations have you had with Nick? You have more conversations with Nick? They're so mean. Oh, no. Not the meanies on Twitter. How many more lawsuits are you going to face from women that you allegedly secretly recorded during intimate moments, destiny?

I can't believe anyone takes you seriously. You're disgusting. You're embarrassing. And you should be shunned from public life with your disgusting treatment of all sorts of people, including young left-wing girls, women. You're turning more blonde. Right now in the window. Yeah, that's who you are.

You're like two shades away. You're embarrassing. You're embarrassed the left. You're the type of person who pushes people away from the left. Make sure you understand that. You're embarrassing. There's no morality with you. There's no grounding values.

There's no principles. All you want is attention, attention, attention. That's all you want. It's all you want. It's all you want. And with attention. Say disgusting, provocative garbage. Another friendly conversation with other mainstream conservative commentated about

you're such a leftist, but those people on Twitter are so mean. Having a debate or dialogue doesn't automatically mean that you agree with everything they have to say. It means you're coming together and you're exchanging ideas and debating them. No, no, no, I don't agree with everything they have to say. What are you talking about? I don't agree with everything they have to say. But you know, I'm an adult. I can sit down and have a mature debate or conversation.

And you have no disagreements about anything on the right. Yeah, that's called agreement. I do have criticisms for the left. I have tons of criticisms for the right. Tons of criticisms. I'm obviously pro-choice, for instance. I obviously have a huge problem with the unending, unmitigated support for Israel, regardless of the genocide they're engaging in.

I have all sorts of disagreements with the right. That doesn't mean I'm going to dehumanize them and cheer on the slaughter of my fellow Americans because we have disagreements on politics. You're embarrassed. I wish anybody here had the same energy for the president of the United States, but that's good. I'm glad you guys are focused where it really counts on Twitter. Dude, you have like TDS, like, you are like the prototype of TDS. It's unbelievable.

You wake up every morning and you decide your behavior is going to hinge on Trump. Tell me more about the dancing, Israelis, and building seven and how the Jews all knew about 9-11. You're a sociopath. You're a sociopath. Let me bring in. Let me bring in Jack again. Don't make things up, you disgusting prick. Let me bring in Jack again.

Let me bring in Jack again. Jack, Peter Navarro earlier was talking about directly to Elon Musk. about, in his view, the urgent need for Elon Musk to detoxify X, given that he owns a platform, and that he blamed X for a lot of the toxicity in public discourse. What do you feel about that? Well, you know, I think there's obviously a tension between, you know, standing and wanting free dialogue and freedom of speech, but also maintaining a line beyond calling for violence and calling for direct violence or direct criminal activity. So, you know, X in its original Twitter fashion, if you go all the way back to, you know, 2012, 2010, when it was really getting going, they used to pretty much, pretty much the main things that were banned or would get taken down or get a town's band were a posting of direct,

addresses of peoples of doxing or posting or posting direct threats to violence. And so I think there needs to be that line set of this is acceptable discourse. This is a back and forth. But the idea that a direct call for violence should be banned, I think that's something that I would support. Andrew, what do you feel about the social media aspect of all this? Do you think that it is culpable to a degree in the surging text? toxicity of debate about these things? Look, social media is a tool.

And what social media is done right now is it's allowed us to get a glimpse into a leftist ideology finally. And we get to see the insane madness that was always there. And the fact of the matter is that, you know, here on the panel right this second, you have a guy who celebrated a multitude of these types of things, including telling his co-hosts that basically Trump, the worst place that the assassin could have put the bullet, was anywhere other than Trump.

I mean, I got the clip of him doing it. And so the thing is, it's like what we've noted now, these people are glad. They're glad if they're happy, they love it. I go on TikTok all the time and I debate with these people. It's very clear that leftists are glad that this happened and that they're going to do everything they can to promote more of it. And we're supposed to base our behavior on what the president does or doesn't say.

What, like if Biden, if I had Biden derangement syndrome, I couldn't still come out and condemn political violence? Of course I could. But the thing is, is that leftists, collectively, that Charlie Kirk said that Biden should have been executed. Leftist collectively can't seem to do that, though. I don't know why they can't seem to do that.

No, that was fine when Charlie Kirk said it. I know. I want to mention something to you, which I was going to talk to corner. Charlie Kirk was a moderate. He was more moderate than a local electrician. Yeah, nice pivot. He was more moderate than a local electrician.

And you know that, by the way. He said he wanted to see Biden. You have debated with the worst. He said he wanted to see Biden executed, okay? Give me a fucking break. No, that's not what he said. That's not what he said. He said, if you violate.

This is performative outrage. And criminal law. This is performative out. Then that will be the case. What's performing? So what's performative? So I say, oh, well, you know, I think that guy was a criminal. Therefore, the execution is okay.

Somehow that makes everything fine with no investigation, no criminal charges. You say all the time that your political opponent should be in jail and highest extent of the law. You say it all the time. What are you talking about? Saying the word performative doesn't mean anything. The National Guard right now. Oh, it's just performing. Oh, that's just performing.

I want to bring Anna back in. You're just being performative. I want to bring Anna back in. Okay, I want to bring Anna back in because the president-elect of the Oxford Union, probably the most premier debating society in the world. I've done it several times myself. George Aberonia, Aberronier, reportedly posted several.

He didn't reportedly. He did post several comments in a WhatsApp group, appearing to celebrate the murder of Charlie Kirk. One said Charlie Kirk got shot. Let's fucking go. Another one was, I think, L-O-L. This guy is going to be the president of the Oxford Union Debating Society.

And yet he is celebrating the murder of somebody. He literally debated himself in the Oxford Union in May. I found that terrifying. I mean, he shouldn't still be in the job because how can you possibly be the head of a debating society when you think the way to debate with people is murder them if they don't agree with you? But again, the gleeful celebration. This is supposedly one of the brightest students in Britain,

you know, president of the New Oxford Union Debating Society. He can't be that bright if he's not considering what a political assassination could potentially lead to. Because where does this end? And that's like one of my biggest issues. with a portion of the left. Their inability to see past the current moment, right? You're celebrating it. But what's what's the long-term goal here? It's the long-term goal to just have to descend to an environment of endless political assassinations and violence. And if we're going to have the left go up against the right in terms of violence, in terms of bloodshed, in terms of shootings,

I don't know. I would just venture to say that the right is probably going to do a better job in, you know, taking people out than the left is. This is just a really disgusting, sick ideology, and we need to move away from it. And again, I want to emphasize your personal behavior, the way you choose to behave and respond to things on a day-to-day basis, has an impact. Okay, be the change you want to see in the world. So when you have a huge audience, and that audience of young people who look up, to you, who feel inspired by you, hear you essentially minimize political violence or even make excuses for it or deflect by blaming Trump for everything. Well, you're essentially indoctrinating people to support and normalize political violence. We can't be doing that. I don't care how

people behave on the right. That's not going to have an impact on how I personally choose to behave. I want to be better than that. I want to preach dialogue. dialogue, okay, debate, have these conversations. And you know, Charlie Kirk, the last debate he and I had, you know, Destiny would like you to believe that I agree with the right on everything. I don't agree with the right on everything. We debated about whether or not you have to have children in order to care about the future of this country. So we have a debate and it's fine. He has a right to his opinions. I have the right to mine. If you care about democracy, the democratic process is reliant on having these types of conversations and reliant on not resorting to violence because

you're unable to articulate your arguments effectively against the other side. That's what I see this assassination as. Again, it was cowardice. It was disgusting. It was cold-blooded murder. And no one should be celebrating it. And no one should be mocking the family members of Charlie Kurt. Yeah. Very well said. I just want to thank all the panel for joining me. Jack, I want us to say to you, I can tell by your demeanor today how profoundly impacted you've been by your friend's murder. And I'm just very sorry to you as his friend. Shut up, Cooner.

That it's, you've had to endure what must have been a hellish week. Actual goals. I'd like to send my very best to the family who I know you talked to. And I'm sorry for some of the things you've had to hear from destiny in this debate. But thank you for coming on despite what you've been going through. So I appreciate it. Thank you, peers. I'll convey that to them.

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