Piers Morgan Uncensored - “Trying To Put A TARGET On Me?!” Mehdi Hasan vs Jonathan Conricus On Israel-Gaza 'Genocide'

Episode Date: September 4, 2025

This week, the world’s leading genocide scholars declared Israel’s war in Gaza to be genocidal - echoing arguments made by Israel’s critics for months. With the exception of the United States, Israel’s allies are beginning to distance themselves from the conflict. The UK’s foreign secretary has expressed “outrage” over aid restrictions, after the UN warned Gaza is suffering a “man-made famine.” Meanwhile, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu faces growing division at home, within his government, his war cabinet, and across Israeli society - especially over the fate of the remaining hostages. As he tours conservative US podcasts to rally support, polls show that a coalition led by former PM Naftali Bennett could defeat him in an election. Tonight, Bennett joins the discussion with Piers Morgan on Israel’s future and the war’s impact. Then, Piers is joined by CEO of Zeteo, Mehdi Hasan, and former lieutenant colonel, IDF spokesman and senior fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, Jonathan Conricus, in a fiery debate. Piers Morgan Uncensored is proudly independent and supported by: Pique: Get 20% off your order plus a FREE frother & glass beaker with this exclusive link: https://piquelife.com/PIERS Birch Gold: Visit https://birchgold.com/piers to get your free info kit on gold. Oxford Natural: To watch their full stories, scan the QR code on your screen or visit https://oxfordnatural.com/piers/ to get 70% off your first order when you use code PIERS. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

So these Palestinians who claim that it's going to continue, even if they let go of the hostages and lay down their arms, try us. Free the hostages and test us. Why don't you test us? Mejdi, there's been a job opening. Israel finally got rid of Abu Obeda, very prolific and will to do Hamas. You've really got to get better with your Hamas propaganda. Mind your racist, genocidal, war criminal.

Well, you're trying to put a target on me? And you and Alon Levy trying to put a target on me? Mejee and others aren't happy. with the fact that Israel stubbornly, annoyingly is able to withstand the pressure campaigns by biased and corrupt UN organizations. Gaslighting. I can't believe that, what, 23 months into this, I'm still having to come on these shows and fact-checked this kind of nonsense propaganda.

You're part of an Israeli military that the international association of genocide scholars have said is a genocide. You're part of a military. Unlike you, I fight for something. You're part of a military that's being investigated. Jonathan, we're on Piers Morgan. I get to speak. We're not in Gaza.

You don't get to kill me as a journalist. Some of the world's leading genocide scholars passed a resolution this week declaring what many of Israel's critics have argued for months, that Israel's war in Gaza is genocidal. With the exception of the US, Israel's allies are rushing to distance themselves from the ongoing escalation in the war. The UK's Foreign Secretary just expressed outrage

at ongoing restrictions on aid after the UN's declaration that Gaza is enduring a, quote, man-made famine. Benjamin Netanyahu now presided over a government, a war cabinet and a country, which is increasingly divided over the country's strategy and its impact on the fate of the remaining Israeli hostages. This summer, he embarked on a tour of conservative US podcasts in an attempt to win back public support.

Netanyahu continues to refuse invitations to appear on unsensit again or indeed to appear on any other critical media. When Atali Bennett is a former Israeli prime minister, Pauls continued to indicate that a Bennett-led coalition would defeat Netanyahu in an election, and he joins me again now. Natalia, welcome back to Unsenten. Thanks for coming on.

Thank you, Pierce. I've just been off for a couple of weeks, and even in that time, so much is going on with this war. But what appears to be very increasingly evident is that there's a real difference of opinion internally in Israel, between Israeli citizens and the government,

between the IDF and the government, between the families of the hostages and the government. What is your sense here about what is going on internally in Israel? Well, Israel is a very open society full of debates, and there's a huge debate of the sequence. Should we strive for a deal bringing home the hostages and then at a later date go on and destroy Hamas, while the government says that if you cut a deal now,

you'll never be able to later on destroy Hamas. So there's a big strategic and tactical discussion. However, I would say that there's consensus in Israel as to the two main objectives, which are to bring home the 48 hostages that are in the dungeons and tunnels of Hamas and to eradicate Hamas so they can't conduct another.

October 7th attack that they're saying that they want to do the moment they can. This report has come from the leading association of genocide scholars in the world, declaring that Israel's committing genocide in Gaza. What is your response to that? It's quite unbelievable. I mean, it's anything but that. Israel has no intent in that area. It's Hamas who has a genocidal approach towards.

the Jews and towards Israel. They explicitly say they want to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. And Israel says, all we want to do is live. That's basically the competing claims. We have no desire to occupy Gaza, to live in Gaza. We, if it were up to us, let the Gazans live their peaceful life. Problem is they don't want to do that. And Hamas wants to attack us and kill us again and again. So that's the fundamental problem. The fact that there are, some scholars who say the most crazy things doesn't make it true. I mean, there were periods in the history of the world that the leading scholars said that the world is flat.

It didn't make the world flat. It just made them wrong and look stupid later on. But you have a number of these scholars who are part of this body, which is widely recognized as the most eminent when it comes to the study of genocide. number of them are Holocaust experts, and they've specified a number of things that they believe Israel is doing, which constitute genocide and war crimes

and crimes against humanity. Declaration notes the widespread attacks on both the personnel and facilities needed for survival, including in healthcare, aid, and educational sectors. 50,000 children killed or injured by Israel, as highlighted by UNRWA, which impacts the ability of Palestinians in Gaza to survive as a group and regenerate,

and the support amongst Israeli leaders, vocal support, for the forced expulsion of all Palestinians from Gaza, alongside Israel's near total demolition of housing in the territory. You know, the problem, it seems to me, Neftali Bennett here, is that for all that I have absolutely consistently said Israel

had a right to defend itself from Hamas, for all that it's indisputable that they themselves are genocidal, both in their intent and the actions. that they have been committing on things like October the 7th, and on other occasions. There's no doubt they want to destroy Israel. But the point of being the only democracy in the Middle East,

as Israel has always proudly positioned itself, is that you don't descend to the level of your enemy. You don't then behave in a way that many people, including inside Israel, are now beginning to see, or say they see, as genocidal itself. And surely, as a proud Israeli yourself, who's led the country as Prime Minister, you must be getting concerned that so many historic and traditional allies of Israel, including the UK, France, Germany, and others,

are all now lining up to be severely critical of the strategy of this current Israeli government. Well, you've laid down quite a few claims, and I want to respond to them. First of all, if Israel had any intent in genocide, man, we'd be the most uncompetent genociders in history, because with 63,000 people did after two years and a ratio of two to one between civilians and militants, that's a very poor record. We could, if that were our intent, the cost of a kilogram of flour today wouldn't be $2.7 in Gaza, which is even cheaper than in Israel. So, you know, I can walk you through all of it.

The fundamental point here is that Hamas turned the entire location of Gaza, the houses, the hospitals, the schools, into the infrastructure of terror. There's almost no school in Gaza that doesn't have terror tunnels under it, doesn't have rockets in it. So they made a very deliberate decision to turn all of Gaza into a war zone, and these are the results. Having said that we do bend over backward to reduce as much as we can,

but war is a really bad thing. This whole thing could go away in a second if Hamas laid down its arms, released the hostages. It would go away. But on that point. Genocide, let me finish this. Hold on, let me finish this.

I want to make a point. You know, if during the Shoah, the Holocaust, Was there anything the Jews could do to stop Hitler? Could they say, you know, we do X and Y? So there's no connection here. Here, it's them wanting to kill us. The moment they lay down their arms, the moment they let go, the hostages, the war ends.

Yeah, but you see, that's where I have an issue with this, because I've heard this a lot now from people on the Israeli side who come on the show. And yet at the same time, you have people like Smodrich and Benghavir in the government, very openly talking about expelling all Palestinians from Gaza. And if they had their way from the West Bank, we had this leaked report in the Washington Post last week

about a Gaza-Riviera plan, which would involve the temporary relocation of all of Gaza's 2 million population, which many people just view as blatant ethnic cleansing. So you've got all this going on at the same time, which makes people who are on the Palestinian side say, well, this isn't ending if the hostages get released. It's just the start of a new hell.

The new hell being the ending... I have an idea. Well, being the expulsion of 10 million Palestinians. Okay, so these Palestinians who claim that it's going to continue even if they let go over the hostages and lay down their arms, try us. Well, I agree with you. Lay down your arms. Listen, I agree with you.

Free the hostages. Yeah. And test us. Why don't you test us? I agree. It's nonsense. You know it's nonsense. I agree.

that they should do that. However, however, I do not agree that where we are now in reality in Gaza, 75% of it's been destroyed. There is nowhere for these people to go back to their homes and live. Everyone knows that. And when you have senior members of the government, of the cabinet, talking brazenly about kicking all the Palestinians out and taking it over, you must understand that people are looking for the day after the release of all hostages supposed end of the war, and thinking, well, what happens to the Palestinian people at the end of this? Not Hamas, that no one has any sympathy for. But what happens to them?

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Visit peaklife.com slash peers. That's peak, P-I-Q-U-E-Life.com slash peers. Yeah, let me lay out the vision for the future of Gaza. once they release the hostages, lay down their arms, and then effectively we have a Gaza that is demilitarized. We don't want to govern Gaza. All we want is security.

We bring in the Egyptians. We bring in the Saudis, the Emirates. We designate an area for rebuilding Gaza 2.0. If there's Gazans who want to leave Gaza, we don't force them to stay in Gaza, because, mind you, the conditions are bad. I'm not suggesting it's a five-star hotel there. It's lousy in Gaza, because, because they turned their homes into terror bases.

But then the rebuilding starts. As new buildings emerge, they can vacate them. And then we have demilitarized and future for Gaza. I hope it would be good. Ultimately, it's their choice. If they choose to go down the terror route like they did in the past 20 years, that we can't deal with that and we'd have to fight again. But if they choose a peaceful route,

they have a beautiful country and future. are there. I just want to at the end mention an ongoing rumbling story about Jeffrey Epstein and whether he had connections or was employed by Mossad. You've spoken about this

before. The rumor mill continues about this. You were a former Israeli prime minister. The Mossad reported directly to you. How certain can you be that there was no link at all with Jeffrey Epstein?

100%. Would you tell me anyway? Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't sit here and tell, let me tell you something. I was prime minister. I wasn't prime minister during that period. It's not my responsibility. I didn't have to jump into this. But when I hear my country being smeared by these really anti-Semitic claims

that supposedly the Mossad runs these sort of rings or whatever, So you know what I did? I called up the Mossad chiefs from that period and I asked them point blank. I called up another prime minister and asked them point blank. The answer is no. I'll just tell you that since the mid-80s, we had a huge, the Polar affair, which was a huge disaster for Israel, where Israel did have one spy in the United States. Since then, it's Israel's policy to not have any espionage going on on American states. soil. So this is utter nonsense. We don't do that sort of thing. Certainly not in the United States.

Okay. That's totally been it. I appreciate you coming back on the sensor. Thank you very much. Thank you, Pierce. Well, to debate the ongoing situation in Gaza and to react to that interview, I'm joined by Medi Hassan, the CEO of Zetao, and by Jonathan Conrichus, the former Lieutenant Colonel and IDF spokesman, now a senior fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. Medi, you were listening there to the former Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett. What was your reaction? I mean, what's my reaction going to be other than to say more of the same? Just so many lies, demonstrable lies.

You've challenged them on a few of them. You know, this idea that the war ends tomorrow if the hostages are released has been a nonsense proposition that a lot of Israeli military officials no longer believe in. The deal is on the table. Hamas has now accepted Netanyahu's terms of a partial release deal, which they didn't want to accept. But the Israelis said that was our idea. And now Israel's own military chief of staff peers, is telling Netanyahu, take the deal.

If you carry on with this war, it doesn't make the hostages any safe. That's what the Israeli military chief of staff is saying. We know that time and time again, there has been an option to end this war. Have a complete hostage release. Have a permanent ceasefire, not a temporary one. And yet the Israelis don't want to do it. Netanyahu has made it very clear. If they release the hostages, we're still going into Gaza City.

We're still taking this over. As you pointed out, Smotrich and many other ministers have said that it doesn't matter. The hostages are not the priority. taking back Gaza, destroying Gaza, cleansing Gaza, to quote, Bezalil Smotrich, the finance minister of Israel, that is the goal. So many other lies he mentioned. He talked about a two-to-one civilian-to-combatant ratio. Not true.

Israel's own military intelligence database last month. It was leaked showing that five out of every six Palestinians they kill are civilians. One of the highest civilian death rates in the modern warfare. You have to go back to Rwanda peers in the 1990s to find a death rate that high for civilians. It's one of the reasons why people are saying this is a genocide. As you said at the start of this segment, the International Association for Genocide Scholars passed a resolution on Monday saying that what Israel is doing in Gaza meets the legal definition of a genocide.

Only one in three Americans doesn't think it's a genocide. The IPC says it's a famine. Famine, genocide. We need to stop the gas-sliding. Jonathan Conrick is welcome back to uncensored. I don't disagree that Hamas should release all the hostages. Of course they should. shouldn't have taken them to start with.

But I vehemently disagree with Neftali Bennett's framing that that simply ends everything because nobody seriously believes that is the case for the reasons that many just articulated. Yeah, hello, peers. Good to see you again or hear you. Well, whether you believe it or not is maybe important, but at the end of the day, I very much believe in that as well.

And I think that it's very simple to go back to the situation on October the 6th. and take stock of the situation then. There were no Israeli soldiers fighting in Gaza, and there was no famine or any of the other falsehoods that Hamas propagandists are spreading and the other lies that are being told every day in international media. The situation was that we were on our side of the border,

and Hamas and ordinary Palestinians were on their side of the border. What changed the situation was Hamas' attack on Israel. That is why we find ourselves now fighting almost two years of war, almost on seven fronts. And it's going quite good on the other fronts. And I'm sure that many people in the Hamas, Qatari camps like Mejdi and others aren't happy with the fact that Israel stubbornly, annoyingly is able to withstand the international avalanche of pressure, the pressure campaigns by biased and corrupt UN organizations. This and that new institution or whatever scholars that are lending what's left of their credibility to

dubious reports done without due process, with parts of their participants voting, without having any possibility for people who think differently to raise their voice, and then having that report as if it's gospel, descend upon people and picked up and parroted in international media. And I'm sure that many people around the world are frustrated with the fact that we are still here. We still intend to defeat our enemies. And yes, I agree. We are not doing it in the swiftest way, and I would have wanted us to have done it swifter and better. I would have wanted all of our

hostages to be back, but to be very clear, if Hamas lay down their weapons, and if we get our hostages back, and Hamas is dismantled from governing the Gaza Strip, I have absolutely no doubt that the war would end in that instance, and there would be no Israeli claims

or ideas or escapades or anything else that you might quote fringe elements in Israeli society, it wouldn't happen. We would go back to minding our own business, which would be to live and to prosper in our homeland. Hang on a second. Fringe members of society do not normally include the finance minister of the government. Gaslighting.

You know, Smoddrich is the current finance minister of the Israeli government. He's not a fringe member of society. US national debt is more than $37 trillion. These are uncertain ties to the global economy. It's enough to make you think. now would be a good time to buy some gold. Whether it's a hedge against inflation, peace of mind during global instability or just sensible diversification, Birch Gold Group believes that every American should own physical gold, and they created something special. Until the 30th of September,

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extreme part of Israeli society. But if you look at what other parts most, the majority, if you look at what hundreds of thousands of Israelis left, right, and center are out demonstrating and saying is, we want our hostages back, we want the war to end, and the moment we get our hostages back, then the war ends. And another very important thing, which, of course, Merci disrepresented or represented very poorly, was that there is no deal for all of the hostages. The current waiting is for Hamas to say,

okay, we agree to hand over all of the hostages. Currently, what we have on the table is 10 live hostages and half of the murdered hostages, and that isn't good enough. We don't want Hamas to have any live hostages that they can have. That means that the war continues. That means that the suffering will continue, and that is not what we want.

Okay, Medi. I can't believe that, what, 23 months into this, I'm still having to come on these shows and fact-checked this kind of nonsense propaganda from pro-Israel people. As you pointed out in a position to fact-check, you're on the record. Or it's struke. They are on, yeah, I can actually fact-ch. Let's give some facts. Bizarro Smotrich has said very clearly the hostages are not the priority.

Or it's true of the settlement's minister. Can I speak without being interrupted by your property? Jonathan. Jonathan, he was caught. for your propaganda. I didn't interrupt you. I will interrupt you for the next 20 minutes. Jonathan, he allowed you to speak with that interruption.

Let Medea do the same. Fine. You could come back in and lie again in a moment. I'll give the facts to the viewers. The finance minister, Bizarroes said very clearly that the hostages are not the priority. Ben Gavir has said a similar line. Or it's strewt, the settlements minister said recently,

we have to go into every area even if the hostages die. Even if they're unsafe, we have to do it. They have made that very clear. Gallant, the former defense minister, said Netanyahu was sacrificing the host. The hostages families went to the homes of the Israeli cabinet just nine days ago. They protested outside the government's homes and said, you are sacrificing our children on the altar of eternal war.

Those are the words of the hostages families, not the former IDF spokesman peers who you brought on to lie on behalf of the Israeli military. So many lies, he told there in that statement that he just gave this long rant. He doesn't want me to speak now, obviously, because the fact checks will hurt him. Again and again, they have said the hostages are not the priority. And this idea of fringe figures, as you said, Pierce, Bezal Smotrich is the finance minister. He said in May of this year, we are disassembling Gaza.

We are turning it into piles of rubble. We are destroying the Gaza Strip. We are there to conquer, cleanse and remain. Those are the words of Smotrich. By the way, on the same day, Pierce, Benjamin Netanyahu the Prime Minister put out a tweet saying, Bezala, you have spoken the truth, you show leadership. So this is the entire government.

It's not just the entire government. It's the country. A majority of Israelis say they want Palestinians expelled from the Gaza Strip, according to every poll. This is not a fringe view. This is the Israeli government. This is Israeli society. And for Jonathan to say, I'm in the Hamas camp.

Come on, Jonathan, get some new lines. I'm not in the Hamas camp. I've never defended Hamas on this show once. Pierce knows that. Although you come on this show to defend an Israeli military you were part of on spokesman for. You were part of an Israeli military that's being investigated at the ICJ for genocide.

You're part of an Israeli military that was indicted at the International Criminal Court for war crimes and crimes against humanity. You're part of an Israeli military and a proud one, and a proud member of that military, have said is a genocide. You're part of a military. Unlike you, I fight for something and I believe in something.

I'm not just a mouth for hire paid by Qataris. Well, I think, okay. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on me. No, no, hold on. I'm finishing my point, Piz. Jonathan, you're part of the military

that has been investigated for sexual violence and rape against Palestinians. Did that happen on your watch? Did you sign off for what the U.N. says? And sexual and gender-based violence. Your military. Okay, Jonathan. A military that bombed a hospital last week, Jonathan.

Okay. Your military bombed a hospital. Let me ask Jonathan an IDF question. The hospital. Let me ask Jonathan. Jonathan. The only a sociopath would defend that. All right, let me ask Jonathan a question, which is, as a former IDF man and spokesman,

it is reported that behind the closed door overnight meeting, IDF's chief of staff, major general, I.L. Zamere, vehemently opposed a Gaza city takeover, which he is repeatedly warned would endanger the lives of his soldiers and the remaining hostages held by Hamas. That was the Times of Israel reporting that. Are you not concerned as a former IDF man? The guy who's the chief of the staff of the IDF right now thinks this is a disastrous policy in the making. Yeah. So this is the first time in the program that we're actually talking something that's grounded somewhere close to facts. Not all of the nonsense that Mertie was spewing out.

And by the way, I'll answer the question, Pears. There's no, no, Mertie. Let him speak, Medi. Deal with the Smokrich quote. No, no. You've been misrepresenting. No, no, don't talk over each other, Medi. Let Jonathan's...

I'm sorry. Anything. Then he answered, we conquered Clems and remain in Gaza. No, no, that's the factual quote. Please let him answer my question. Which Netanyahu agree with. All right, Jonathan, answer my question, please. I'll answer the question.

So, Lieutenant General Lian, Al-Zamir is an excellent officer. He's the chief of staff of the IDF, and he's been leading the IDF with quite significant successes against Chisbalah, against the Iranians, and he is leading the IDF in our war, our very just war against Hamas.

I'm very happy that there's a debate, and that's an ongoing discussion between the military echelon and the democratically elected echelon in Israel. I'm not so happy that it's out in the open, but I am aware that it's happening. And I would say that what I read of the reported statements, which I have from pretty reliable sources that are more or less accurate,

maybe not really the tone and the intensity, but a lot of it is accurate. What I read is that the military, very correctly, is asking of the government, what is the end state here? And government, please tell me what you intend for things happen once we actually go in and fight Hamas and kill them in their tunnels and take out the remaining parts of the leadership and actually get the military part of the job done. And I think that's a very good point made by the IDF, because that is clarity that is needed. And until that is said and stipulated by the government, I think that it's good that the IDF

as a military in a democracy is telling the elected democratic leadership that, well, I will execute the orders that you give me. Here are the consequences. And I wish for you to tell me what the desired strategic end state is. And that's exactly what a military is supposed to do in combat. And I think that now the ball is in the court of the government, where they will have to stipulate clearly and to a certain extent persuade the military and everybody is serving. Well, again, it's been reported.

What exactly the end goal is. All right. It's been reported again. by the times of Israel, the jury missed six-hour Israeli security cabinet hearing last night, that Netanyahu rejected the general's push to hold a vote over the current ceasefire deal on the table, which could see half of living hostages freed

and have the groundwork for a permanent end to the war. Now, Medi, what is also emerging is that there is a belief by Netanyahu that the reason he is being so gung-ho about continuing with this is that President Trump, Trump has urged him to finish the war in Gaza with full force. What should we read into that?

Yeah, I think we should read into that that Donald Trump is 100% behind Netanyahu, as some of us warned he would be. I think there were some people who thought that there would be some daylight between Trump and Netanyahu, that Trump would somehow be better on Gaza than Biden and Harris were. And that's, as I've told you before, Piers, your pal Donald is full on the ethnic cleansing, the ridiculous Gaza-Riviera plan,

allegedly involving Tony Blair and Jared Kushner at the White House. outrageous open plans for ethnic cleansing, all signed off on by Donald Trump, who said earlier this year that Palestinians will have to leave at Gaza and not come back, which is the definition of ethnic cleansing. That is what Israel and the American government are planning and cooking up for the people of Gaza. It's why the world has now turned belatedly against Israel and on this genocide, because it's so brazen what they're doing in terms of the man-made famine, in terms of the ethnic cleansing, all of this stuff.

And, you know, the hostage canard keeps being put forward. Jonathan said earlier, oh, it's a partial deal. Yeah, that's what the Israelis wanted. The great irony is Hamas wanted a permanent deal. All the hostages for an end to the war, Netanyahu said, no, partial deal. Hamas agreed to that too, so they keep moving the goalposts, because he doesn't want to end the war, Pierce. Matthew Miller, Biden's former State Department spokesman said recently

that when he spoke to Netanyahu last year, Netanyahu said openly, we're going to be fighting for decades in Gaza. Today's show is brought to you by Oxford Natural, makers of the optimum day and optimum night, all natural supplements. Thousands of Brits and Americans are already taking them. with incredible results. Optimum day is designed to boost your energy and support weight loss throughout the day.

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part of a military that last week bombed a hospital, not once, but twice, a double-tapped strike, according to CNN, triple-tap strike, killing emergency responders, journalists, aid workers, in front of our eyes. That is his glorious military. It's an Israeli military, which, according to Nick Maynard Pierce, who you know, British doctor, I interviewed him last month, he said he treated Palestinian teenagers in his hospital in Gaza over the summer who were shot in the testicles, multiple children, shot in the testicles by Jonathan's military. The same military that killed 15 paramedics in April

and then just buried them with their ambulances in the sand. They were buried in the sand by the Israeli military in April. They lied the Israelis. They said, oh, the lights were off. We didn't know who they were. Hamas were firing. Turned all to be a lie. You know what the Israelis did, peers?

They fired the deputy commander. That's it. Nobody went to prison. No one was charged. They murdered 15 people. That's the military that Jonathan's come to defend. The most immoral military right now in the world that is bombing hospitals in front of our eyes.

Jonathan? Yeah, it's various levels of ridiculous. But listen, Merti, there's been a job opening. Israel finally got rid of Abu Obeda, very prolific and will-to-do Hamas-Bos. You've really got to get better with your Hamas propaganda. Mind your racist, small man. Mind your language.

You support war criminals. Well, you're trying to put a target on me? Are you trying to put a target on me? Are you trying to put a target on me? You keep saying I'm Hamas. And you support killing Hamas. You've done it with Ailon and it won't work with me. Little Mechdi.

Little Mechty, you've done that stick with Ailon, it doesn't impress me. But I'm telling you is that if you improve your Arabic just a bit, you keep saying I'm Hamas based on nothing. If you improve your Arabic just a bit, I think you are well on track to become a very prolific. You're a war criminal. Your troops engaged in sexual violence against Palestinian women. You're being investigated in the international criminal courts.

You are part of an army that is committing genocide, Jonathan. You're touting Hamas's propaganda lies. You are regurgitating things from April and from September. The genocidal Israeli military. All right. Let me jump in. Let me jump in. Jonathan.

Let me jump in, please. And now you want to kill every journalist. that speaks out against you. You killed five journalists last week. Jonathan, on that, Jonathan, on, I think you would do an excellent job after facing Abu-Beda. Your military killed five years. Let me ask a question, please.

And you're doing a great job. And you're doing a great job as Julius Stryker. Let me ask a question, because nobody can hear either of you. Nobody can hear either of you. That's how history will remember you. Let me ask you, Jonathan, about the incident. Jonathan, let me speak. About the incident that Medi's alluding to.

Where's all to talk about the hospital? I'm just about to ask. I can talk about the hospital. Let me do my job. Let me please ask you a question and do my job. So, Jonathan, the incident that Medi is alluding to, the double-tap attack on a hospital which killed five journalists, this takes a total of journalists to over 200. There are now journalists all over the world who are protesting about this. People from CNN, from Reuters, from AP, from every serious news organization in the world, saying that there is a mini-genocide. going on with actual journalists in Gaza and that the only reason for this, the deliberate systematic attacks on journalists,

is because Israel does not want people reporting on what is actually happening there. I know you agree with me, because you said it many times, that Israel should allow the international media in to do their jobs. But so far, they're not doing that. They're only allowing in certain friendly journalists

embedded with the IDF to report what they want them to report. But until there is, free unfettered access of journalists into that region to report on this stuff, there is a belief that Israel is going about, now deliberately or systematically, killing Palestinian journalists, to silence them. What is your response to that? Yeah, that belief is wrong, and I have a few things to say. First, about the horrible, tragic mistake at Nasr Hospital.

That is not what I envisive. in terms of Israeli operations. That is a tactical mistake by forces on the ground that saw a camera on top of a building assessed that the camera was operated by Hamas because Hamas has been operating cameras from all civilian buildings, including from hospitals,

in order to monitor the troop movement of Israeli troops and then to detonate IEDs or otherwise to direct combat activity against Israeli troops. And that is why when Israeli troops saw that camera and other activity on top of that building, they engaged. Regrettfully, five journalists, some of them working for international media outlets, were killed. That is not a desired outcome. That is a mistake.

And that should not happen on the battlefield, full stop. Six terrorists were also killed in that attack. When I spoke with six Hamas, known operatives. were killed. When I spoke with people in the IDF, my questions were actually about the second strike, which we saw live on an Arabic network, which I agree, looks horrible, should not happen, and is something that I'm waiting for the IDF to investigate and to present findings and to say, this is why the mistake happened, and these are the steps that we have taken in order to rectify it. And I believe that the IDF will do that.

And I believe that this is not what the IDF was seeking to achieve, because it was very clearly aid workers and others that were trying to rescue people that were wounded from the first engagement. So this was not intentional. This was a battlefield mistake in a chaotic or very difficult combat environment of troops that are under fire from civilian buildings that were the enemy uses hospitals and schools and mosques and houses in order to fire from.

this is the reality in Gaza made by Hamas, which we many times glossed over. No, as I said, they were from that. But first of all, Hamas has fired from the Nassau hospital several times in the past, and Hamas has been using cameras from various buildings, mosque, schools, and hospitals in Hanunas, in Gaza, in Rafah, in all of the Palestinian villages in cities.

And that is why the idea of thought that the cameras that they saw were linked to Hamas, but I'm saying it very clearly. That was not the intended outcome. Medi? Can I respond, Pierce? Yeah. So on this hospital attack, let's just be very clear here

because so much gaslighting going on here. First of all, I'm old enough to remember October 2023 when the world went mad to suggest that Israel would ever attack a hospital. We were told for months Israel would never attack a hospital. Now, they proudly attack a hospital and try and justify it with nonsense justifications. We attacked it because there was a Hamas camera on the roof. First of all, it wasn't a Hamas camera.

It was a Reuters camera. Reuters already gave the Israeli military their positions. There were no Hamas cameras on the roof. It's a ridiculous new phase of Israeli propaganda to say it was a Hamas camera justified killing 20 people, which was insane. OK, let me speak if you stop interrupting. If you stop interrupting, then I'll deal with that lie. You already said it. You said there was some.

No, you're lying. Six Hamas terrorists are killed. You're lying. You're lying. And then many respond. Let me respond. Six Israel, Hamas operatives were not killed. You claim they were killed.

No evidence has been provided to the international media. that there were six Hamas operatives there. In fact, the six photos that were released here, two of them were killed the day before. One of them was a well-known, one of them was a well-known local firefighter who Israel already dealt with. They were not six Hamas operators who were killed in that strike. As for it being a mistake,

how can it be a mistake? Can you shut up so I can finish a sentence? It doesn't make it true. Are you going to get to speak on. Jonathan, you're just going to let you speak all the time. But I mean, if you're going to lie and you're going to expect me to see them. You want to keep lying all the time. You want to keep lying all the time.

Let many your lies. Let me respond. And you can respond back. And the world can see that... Jonathan, we're on Pierce Morgan. I get to speak. We're not in Gaza. You don't get to kill me as a journalist.

I get to speak here and point out that the journalist were killed in a double-tapped strike. There's no way you can call that a mistake. He can't shut up, Kenny Pearce. The world can see, he cannot shut up. I'm going to keep speaking and make my point. Like I said...

All right, let me know, Pierce, when I can speak. Jonathan, please let him respond. Because he won't shut up. I need to be able to make a point. No one can understand you when you're talking. Six Hamas operatives were not killed. Medi, finish your point. Six Hamas operatives were not killed.

Six Hamas operatives were not killed. Israel claims they were killed. It's been debunked. 20 people were killed, including five journalists. It couldn't have been a tragic mistake, as Jonathan claims, because it was a double-tapped strike. The Israeli media reported that the Israeli military did it deliberately. In Israel, in Hebrew, they're not saying it was accident.

They said it was a coordinated attack. A double-tapped strike. How do you explain a second strike nine minutes later? There is no mistake. It's what Boko Haram, ISIS, Al-Qaeda do. It's deliberately to kill. emergency responders. 972, an Israeli media organization, says it is now standard procedure for the Israeli military

to do double-tap strikes. Last summer in Mawasi, the New York Times has video of the Israelis doing a double-tap strike on Palestinian paramedics. You know what Israel said at the time, Pierce? We will investigate this incident. Guess what? A year later, no investigation. No one was charged.

No one was punished. They always say this to gullible interviewers in the West. Well, we're investigating this mistake. Not a single Israeli soldier has gone to prison for killing anyone in Gaza since October of 2023. You'll remember, Pears, I said that to Alan Dershowitz. On your show, I remain to be fact-checked. It is true. Nobody went to prison for killing 15 paramedics in April. Nobody went to prison for the Mawasi double-tack last summer. No one will go to prison for killing 20 people in this hospital. Jonathan and his military love to do war crimes and no one holds them to account.

Jonathan? Nonsense. Israeli officers have been... Who's gone to prison? Jonathan, who's gone to prison? Who's gone to prison? Yes. Israeli soldiers. Jonathan, who's gone to prison? Ah, I was right. I said nonsense, which is everything that comes from your mouth is either

name of both. Name the person who's gone to prison. And yes. And yes. And yes. And yes. Name the person who's gone to prison. You and Alan Dershowitz.

I can't understand what he's saying. Yes. Was gone to prison. Let me hear him what he has to say. IDF soldiers. Yes. IDF soldiers have been disciplined and sent to military prison for misconduct. And they are still open investigation.

Not a single Israeli soldier, peers, has gone to prison for killing a Palestinian to October 2023. Not one. By the military advocate general about, yes, they have. I don't remember the name, but I know of several Israeli soldiers. No, I'm not. Jonathan Conriquez is lying to you. In April, 15 Palestinians were killed.

Paramedics. No one went to prison. To make up half-truths. Sky News has the story. And Skye news has the story. And Skye news has the story. We're on YouTube, Jonathan. I know for a fact,

I know for a fact that Israeli soldiers have been disciplined April 2020 25, 15 paramedics killed. Not a single soldier who complains about being interrupted. You sure interrupting a lot. Yeah, Medi, let him speak. I am interrupting Jonathan. Yes, I have some people.

You don't like you when he does. So I'm going to fact check your lies. That's how it works, Jonathan. Mephti, you're not in a position to fact check anything. You're a mouth for hire. You're a paid propagandis. Who are you to fact check anything? The viewers are fact checking.

You are a mouth for hire with no moral tethering in the world. Go on sky news. You're a mouthpiece for Hamas and for Qatari money. Who are you to fact check anybody? April 2020. Methi, you are a paid mouth. You're a paid mouth in a suit. April 2020 25.

Who are you to fact check anybody? April 225, Jonathan. Who are you to fact check? You have no legal standing. You have no moral standing. You have no factual standing, Mehdi. The last time you visited anywhere near a wall zone was maybe 2025. Maybe 20 years ago.

I'm not. You realize. There's nobody can understand the word you guys are saying, right? I get to realize that. Who are you to fact check, next to you? Do you realize when you both talk at the same time, nobody can hear either of you? You realize that, right? I mean, we all understand.

You should have got him to stop interrupting for the entire show there. When you both talk at once, nobody hears you. So I don't understand why you can't just take it turns. Well, you can both sides it, Piers, and you're both, you both find the others interrupting. Well, you both hate the other one interrupting you, then you both do yourselves. Why do you try and practice the interrupting for the first half of this show? Be honest. Huh?

Piers, who did all the interrupting for the first half of this show? Be honest. I think we actually add up now the number of interruptions, Medi. You're right up there with journalism. Now, you don't get to start the end. Well, you don't start the end. Even more than that, Mertie. No, you're not reacting.

You're instigating and you are a mouth that is being paid by various sources. You kill journalists to silence them. You represent nothing. You represent Sharia. You represent a hatred of Western society. Jonathan, let me ask you a question. I am Western. Let me ask you a question, Jonathan.

Let me ask you a question, Jonathan. I am Western. Let me ask Jonathan a question, please. I am born in the West. Please. Otherwise, I'll just stop it. It's pointless. Jonathan, I want to waste a time.

Jonathan, I want to ask you question, Jonathan. I thought I was coming on to debate John Spencer. I'm listening. Not this ridiculous. not this ridiculous war criminal. Yeah, you're ridiculous, Mertie. A small man far away from action who represents nothing.

But I'm not a war criminal. You're the one who's in a military that's being investigated by the international criminal court and the international court of justice. Okay. A former member of a military that's being investigated

at the ICJ and the ICC. Not just a mouth for hire. You were a Julius striker propaganda. Not just a mouth for hire that's paid by I don't know whom to slander Israel. I'm going to. I'm going to leave it there, and you can carry on talking to each other.

It's a bit pointless, because nobody can understand a word you're saying. I'm very glad you both set the right tone for not interrupting each other. You should have moderated better, Pierce. It's a shame, because actually it was an interesting debate. You should have moderated better at the beginning, Piers, because I don't like being interrupted. I'm sure the viewers will conclude that I'm the problem here. I'm sure they will in the first half, Piers. I'm sure the viewers will conclude that the endless interruptions by my view is my fault.

Well, every time I come on this show, I get interrupted by Dersh. By Schuitts, by God. You're then keep interrupting them as well. Maybe because you're so full of it, Mady. Maybe because the lies that you say are so full of it. That's exactly what happens. You're so full of it that even people that normally are very civilized, here you tell lie after lie and have to respond to it because you lie.

You're part of a military that rapes Palestinian women. Okay. Welcome back to the viewers. You've been a military raped Palestinian men and women. All right. Thank you both very much. much. My invitation still stands, by the way, Pierce, if we're still on, my invitation still stands

for you to come to Gaza. Here's the point, Jonathan. I have no interest in being led by the IDF to what you guys want me to see. My only interest is in allowing great international independent journalists from the major news organizations who are genuine war correspondents, which I'm not, to go and do their jobs. And the longer they're not allowed to do it, the more the stench of suspicious. grows, the reason for that is that the Israeli government does not want the world to see

what is really going on. You know what my view of that is. I think you broadly agree with it. So me going in on some IDF embed with you where you go, see, look, we're right, see, look, we're right. No, that's not how this works. I want the proper war correspondence who know what they're doing to go in and to be assessing independently without the IDF telling them what to look at. That's not how war correspondents operate. I think you're setting the bar a bit too high, Pierce. I think you're setting the bar a bit too high, and I think that isn't something that has happened,

neither in Mosul nor in Afghanistan or in other places of Iraq or in Syria. That's usually not what happens in an active war zone. They're telling me they want to be allowed to do their jobs, and they've not been allowed to do it now since this war started. That's fine that that's what they want. But I think we should start with at least coming in. And as I said, I think you've been leading this battle and having quite an impact. And I think if anybody gets the credit for it,

it probably should be you. And I would be more than happy to facilitate it. Okay. I appreciate the offer. Thank you very much, Jonathan. Medea's sadly left us. I appreciate you both coming on. Thank you. Pierce Morgan Unsencent is proudly independent. The only boss around here is me. If you enjoy our show, we ask for only one simple thing. Hit subscribe on YouTube and follow Pierce Morgan Uncensored on Spotify and Apple Podcast. In return, we will continue our mission to inform, irritate and entertain. And we'll do it all for free.

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