Piers Morgan Uncensored - US Election New York Special Feat. Sarah Palin, Destiny, Mehdi Hasan & Dave Smith

Episode Date: October 28, 2024

In anticipation of one of the most contentious elections in the history of America, Piers Morgan has assembled a panel of political firebrands from each side of the aisle, to sift through the threads of red hot news that could give Americans a glimpse of the outcome. Joining Uncensored is former Governor of Alaska Sarah Palin, streamer and commentator Destiny, comedian and libertarian Dave Smith and journalist Mehdi Hasan. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Trump is more popular in his personal approval rating right now than he's ever been in his entire eight-year political career. Donald Trump's a four-year-old when it comes to understanding any, really any issue, but especially foreign policy. The United States economy is outperforming every other economy in the world right now, under Biden's policies that, ostensibly Harris will continue. Trump actually tried to pull out of Syria, which he had campaigned on it. But he didn't Chris says he doesn't respect the Constitution.

They all consistently say the same thing. Okay, fine. They don't respect the Constitution. We were in Syria unconstitutional. I feel like I should be your mother to shut you guys up. You don't think that Biden's energy production higher under Biden than Trump? Is energy production higher Sarah Payland? It's a very simple question. I know facts are not your strong point. Is energy production higher today under Biden than under Trump? It's a simple yes one of my phone. You're an obnoxious. I'm obnoxious.

You're a racist. We want to play that game? There is just over a week to go in one of the most consequential elections in American history and both campaigns are finishing big. Big rallies. Kamala, you're fired. Get out, get out. We are going to fight for the country we love. Big names. His obvious mental decline, his history as a convicted felon.

I'm not just Maga. I'm Doug Garthick Maga. Big audiences. I always got more publicity than other people. I don't know exactly why. You said a lot of wild... Maybe. Big planes.

And not having a president of the United States who admire. dictators and as a fascist as the candidates make their closing arguments uncensored is in New York City for a big debate well from New York City I'm Pierce Morgan unscensored of course and I brought together a fascinating panel to debate really where we are with this US presidential race last night was this incredible rally at Madison Square Garden I was there first time I've been to a Trump rally or any political rally for that matter and it was a fascinating experience.

It'd be interesting to see what my panelists have to say about that, but the bottom line were eight days from one of the most consequential elections in American history. And I want to spend the next hour with four very opinionated people with different opinions to thrash out the big picture themes of where we are with this race, and more importantly, who's going to win and should they win? So let me introduce it.

First of all, former governor, Sarah Palin, you're with former governor of Alaska. and your vice presidential nominee, of course, in the 2008, McCain-abama election. Welcome to you. Medi Asa, Sart, the editor-in-chief of Zetao News. Medi, great to see you again. Dave Smith, the libertarian commentator,

and host of the Part of the Problem podcast. Good to see you. And Destiny, stream, political commentator. So four big names, big beasts in the punditry jungle, brought you all together. Sarah, you were at the rally last night. Yes. What was it like for you?

It was an electric environment. government, most of Trump rallies are like that though, you know, just so much energy and and just a lot of enthusiasm. Last night, I think the biggest surprise though was outside of the arena, how much enthusiasm you could fill out there with all the red hats and all the New Yorkers who were so bold and courageous coming out for him. No protesters. I didn't see any.

Secret Service told me 150 people turned up to protest. And all I could think was, back in 2016. I remember tens of thousands of people marching around the streets of Manhattan in fury about Trump. Where did they go? Right. So I think that was a big difference. It was just in terms of a positive environment, it was so much positivity. And like you say, the protesters seem to be non-existent.

I don't know if they chickened out or what, or, you know, they just didn't have it organized or however they usually roll. But yeah, they weren't there. What do you say to those who the small people? who this morning have woken up to headlines in the New York Post and many other media outlets saying it was the nearest thing to 1939 all over again, but also specifically latching onto the comedian Tony Hinchcliffe who told what I thought was some extremely lame and defensive excuses for jokes about Puerto Ricans, about Latinos, like he told them about Jewish people and so on. None of it seemed to work. He was the first one out as a speaker. And of course all it did

was allow people who hate Trump, particularly in the media, to say, well, look, this is what we warned you about. This is what this is all about. What do you say to people that say that? Well, you know, it was Hillary Clinton who made that general accusation, the false accusation, that anybody who was going to show up there at the rally was, you know, a Nazi or Nazi sympathizer. And I think she incentivized a lot of us, me personally, to get there, to be there present, to prove her wrong, to prove that, oh, gosh, here's another lie, here's another myth, characterization of who Trump supporters are so

no I there was there was no hint of what had happened back in 1939 Hillary too forgets that she was at one of those rallies her husband's rally was held in Madison Square Garden also she certainly didn't ascribe to herself and to her husband that same false accusation many I'm sure you agree with every word Sarah Palin's just said I can't think of more

two more kindry political spirits I mean if I take Governor Payland's point about going to prove something wrong. The problem is we weren't proved wrong. That rally could have proved us wrong. Donald Trump could have run a rally and the Republican body could have done a rally and said, what are you talking about? What a fake liberal accusation? Instead, they just served up line after line of hate and that's the problem.

Trump is who he says he is. Maga is what we think it is. So when you tune in to the rally, I wasn't there, thankfully, but when I tune in and see what was said, I mean, you just have to listen. You mention some of it. Puerto Rico is a floating island. garbage black people like to cut up watermelons not pumpkins on Halloween Jews are stingy Palestinians are terrorists effing illegals his argument mr. Hitchfield is he

one of those is true but you have to guess which one Kamala Harris is surrounded by pimp handlers she's the Antichrist and the devil right the neo-Nazi great replacement theory immigrants are being brought to replace us and that's all before Trump even took the stage that's just the warm-up what's the point was gonna make I was there it was six hours, I would say that the offensive bits that you're talking about, some of them were clearly not intended

to where they were, some were, but I would throw it back at you. I reckon if you had six hours right now of Carmelah Harris and her people talking about Trump, it wouldn't take them long before they're into he's the new Hitler. And on the scale of the fence... This is desperate stuff even by your status. I was at the DNC, I sat for six hours

in a very uncomfortable seat. People did not make racist remarks. Hold on, let me finish, you interrupted my point. I'm asking you a question. You've got a chance after this. I will do one for you. But my point is it wouldn't be long before the Hitler stuff comes out. And honestly, on a scale of

offence, calling someone the new Hitler, isn't that? Actually worse? First of all, I was at the DNC. I sat there six hours every night in a very uncomfortable seat. Nobody called Donald Trump Hitler from the state. So your argument falls apart.

Let's talk about what actually happened last night. The governor can do what aboutism. I don't know why you're doing the what aboutism. Let's talk about what happened last night. Well, let me finish my point. Before Trump even got on stage, we had the Puerto Ricans, the Jews, the Palestinians effing illegals,

pimp handlers, antichrist. That was all there. Then Trump gets on stage and says immigrants are invading and occupying our country, which is the language of the far right. He talks about the press being the enemy of the people, which is straight from Goebbels. You've condemned that line. He talked about the enemy within, which is literally a Hitler line. So if you don't want to be

accused of sounding like Nazis, there's a simple solution. Stop talking like Nazis. Day? All right. I don't know. I think the whole Nazi comparison is really tired and played out. By the way, I also think like when Trump calls Kamala Harris a communist, I don't think that really hits home.

I think all this stuff is kind of silly hyperbole. I also look, I'm good friends with Tony Hinchcliffe so, well, I'm just stating my bias. So talk to me about his act. His argument, I saw him tweeting, saying, well, I had a go at everybody, I was joking. Well, look, this

is what Tony does. And so, like, if you want to argue with me that you don't think it's appropriate to put, like, an edgy comedian at the beginning of your political rally, fine, but I don't think it's fair to like lump all those things together as if they were in a serious speech. Clearly the guy was making jokes. And if you don't like that, that's fine. Hold on. What I quoted was not just from Tony Hinchcliffe.

Trump's childhood friend who called Carla the Antichrist. My point is that my point is that you were mixing in what the comedian said with what other people said. So I think it should they should be viewed differently. I do think that there is, um, Donald Trump has found a way since he entered politics in 2016 to do something that's very unconventional that nobody else in politics is really doing, which is that he makes his events entertainment. He makes them comedy.

When people come out to see Donald Trump, it's a different feeling than just listening to a policy speech. You may like that or not like that. But I do think that you're... And it's almost like after eight years of this, if the response from Trump critics is you're Hitler, that's just not hitting home. Because whatever it is that people are seeing, that's not it.

No, I mean, it's a show. I mean, I called him, he's the Mick Jaggera politics and says that Jagger's 80, Trump, 78. It is a show. You turn up to about 30 speakers of increasing celebrity status. It was like being at a big music festival where the band gets bigger and bigger and bigger. Then you're into J.D. Vance and Elon Musk and Malania Trump, and then the big one the headline at, on comes the big rock star. That's how he does this.

That's his old television hat on, understanding entertainment. And Madison Square Garden, of course, is an iconic venue. It's the heart of Manhattan. It's the place where you would least expect to see a Republican rally. It's not a swing state. And at one stage last night, every single network, main network and cable network in America, was taking it live, including many of your old employees, MSNBC, who vowed not to take any of his rallies.

For a million dollars, which is what it cost him to rent that venue, he's getting about $100 million worth of publicity. That's got to be good politics. Never mind anything else. Oh, I think so. if you're just like analyzing it in terms of like whether it helped him or hurt him, there's something powerful about going into your opponent's territory, selling out a big arena and getting that type of press.

So in that sense, I think it was politically a win for Donald Trump. Destiny, where are we with this race? Because the polling suggests that it's a knife-etch too close to cool. But if I'm a Democrat looking at the swing state polling in particular, I'm pretty nervous right now. I think as an American, I'm pretty nervous. It feels like there is just like a totally different standard that both sides can play by.

It's really funny listening to the idea that one statement in a six-hour entire rally can't be used to convict Trump or his campaign or the rally. Meanwhile, when it comes to Democrats, you guys will pick out like one line from somebody and that will be fair to characterize their entire speech.

They're absolutely not as bad at each other. Because the difference is that while Trump will have jokes... No, in terms of picking out lines from... lengthy speeches. I think both sides play that game equally hard. Yeah, but the problem is somebody will pick out, say, the Biden line where he talks about mega-Americans, and then when you read the speech immediately after he goes, not all Republicans are mega-Americans, it's a minority of the party. It's just these people

that deny, for instance, the election outcome, right? He'll specify, he'll clarify. Whereas for Trump, you can pick out lines, and these lines are not only consistent with everything else that he says, they're consistent with the policy that he advocates for and tried to pass in government. We're living in two completely in totally separate worlds, where the standards for both sides are just out of this world. is it that he may win after everything that happened in the first term after the way it ended after the fact he was dead and buried really two years ago i mean well i remember ronda santis being way ahead in the polling to be republican nominee before he ever talked to a single voter right right

but you know obviously that but actually you could chart trump's recovery was when the justice department started going after him in all sorts of different legal actions and that is when you can see trump's popularity starting to go up totally disagree it started to go up when he started to more active in campaigning. Well, well, here, he went out to defend himself against all the legal charges. He hasn't defended himself against any legal charge, to be clear. His defense is, I need criminal immunity. That's his defense.

There was nothing that was defensible. He didn't deny a single thing. He didn't say anything. He didn't have anything. He said, I need criminal immunity from the things I'm being charged with. They can't possibly commit crimes on president. Nobody has more aggressively defended themselves against criminal charges than Trump. What's the defense for the Marlago thing?

What's a defense for the conspiracy to overturn the election thing? You're conflating what I mean by defense with your idea of defense. My idea of defense is like you say, this is why I didn't commit a crime. Now, I did commit a crime and I need immunity. Like immunity, by definition, legally is not a defense, right? But in relation to the one that he's actually being convicted of, I still think it was an absolute farce and a woeful act of self-harm by the Democrats who fueled this to go after Trump first for a bit of paper shuffling over paying a porn star off 18,

for a fling 18 years ago, which he denies ever having. How many months did we have Hillary Clinton's emails being the front and center story for the news? How much did we hear about Hunter Biden and his, you know, his cock and his crack addiction or whatever, who's, by the way, still not running for president of Hunter? How can Bill Clinton, when he was actually president of the United States, have sex with an intern in the Oval Office and then lie about it to the American people? And it's not him that gets dragged through a criminal court. It's Trump over a fling with a porn star 18 years ago.

Hold on. And I could be wrong because I'm younger. I'm only 35, okay? My understanding is that Bill Clinton was impeached in the House and that Bill Clinton was... But he was ever criminally charged? And then Bill, because he didn't, I don't think he committed necessarily a crime. Well, he paid off Paula Jones $850,000 per sexual harassment case. Bill Clinton is disgraced.

They're not, no, no, no. Bill Clinton is disgraced in the Republican Party, and Donald Trump is the hero of the Republican Party. They're not even remotely similar to how all the parties treat them. This is a Democrat, and he still speaks at the DNC. We're doing Bill Clinton now? Yeah, seriously. Oh, yeah, I am very much doing Bill Clinton. Did he overturn an election?

Did he send a mob to the Capitol to overturn elections? I've just told you what he did. But I'm asking you what he did compared to Trump. Well, he had sex with an intern in the Oval Office and then lied about to the American people. Do you not think that's important? Yes, I was against Bill Clinton. You picked the wrong guy.

I was never a fan of Bill Clinton. Nice try. Try again. Let's talk about Trump. I tried to overturn an election. He's not being tried for it. Do you think it's right, Pierce, as someone who objected to the insurrection, that he's going into election in eight days.

You asked Destiny, why is he still doing so well? Because he was never tried. You want to talk about the DOJ? I think the DOJ is an embarrassment. I wish they'd gone after him. They didn't go after him because he's going into an election, having not seen the inside of a courtroom for Georgia, for D.C., we heard him commit a crime on tape, peers.

You heard him. You heard him say to Brad Raffensberg and find me the vote. If you had done that, I'd done that. We'd be in prison right now. We wouldn't be running for re-election. That is the reality. The American people never got to hear in court all of the charges against him.

You saw the Jackson Smith indictment. Just so I'm clear on this here. And forget how you go, okay, Trump's guilty of all these crimes, whatever. When you're asking, okay, when you're asking, why is he getting so much support, your honest theory is that if he had just been, been prosecuted more than his people would have turned against him?

It's not monocausal. There's many reasons he's doing well. OK, but one of the causes. Democrats have run a bad campaign. Gaza is a factor, et cetera, et cetera. Sure, sure. Lots of factors. The media doesn't know how to cover this stuff.

But yes, clearly. You think it would have heard him with his supporters had he been tried for insurrection, insurrection? Insurrection. I've given up on his supporters. We're talking about the people who actually are persuadable. Yes, when was he most unpopular, Dave, in this entire life? On January 7, 2021.

So yeah, America is a country of our needs. I can say that as an American and an immigrant. But Medi. People just go, memory home everything Trump did. Medi, for a whole year, they've gone after him legally, and right now, Trump is more popular. And every time it's made him more popular, every single time. Trump is more popular in his personal approval rating right now

than he's ever been in this entire eight-year political career. How can that be happening if it isn't actually a lot of Americans going, this is absurd? If we're going to play the polls game, all the polls show that he's actually, that American people think he should have been prosecuted. Okay, sir. Trump supporters recognize.

that it is not Donald J. Trump a person whom is to be supported. It's what he represents. The Trump train that has been so aggressively moving forward with great intention for this country, we recognize it's what is represented on that. It's all about freedom. It's all about not allowing our country to be fundamentally transformed, as Barack Obama had promised. He and his ilk that they would do to America. He said that back in 08. We recognizing we don't need a fundamental transformation of America. We need a restoration of all that's good about America.

What is the freedom that Donald Trump represents? And that is what Trump... Well, that's a interesting question. Is it the freedom to not have an abortion, to have a police officer looking over you when you go to get tested for pregnancy? Is it the freedom to have a president that lives above criminal prosecution? Is it the freedom to have tariffs related to every single product that we might import into the country? What is the freedom? We'll take one freedom.

that he is quite adamant about because the majority of Americans are adamant about and that's our second amendment I'm sorry how much how much anti-gun legislation or executive action did Biden do and then compare that to Trump Biden did nothing Trump banned bumpstock so that's an auto loss for you what's the next well let's talk about Kamala and in her position okay are you saying Kamala are you saying Kamala I say calm because I don't say any point in deliberately he's pronouncing a name like Trump does every single time he speaks well I don't want to Trump Hussein, yeah. And they called him the new Hitler. It's all fair in love and more. Excuse me, but also, didn't Trump try to accuse Obama

of not being born in the United States? Wasn't that his entrance into politics? Again, it's not just what he says, that's what he does. Just asking questions. And even when Arpaio came out with the birth certificate, they said it was, yeah, no apology for that. Okay, so you asked about the freedom that Trump represents or protest.

They called Obama a communist for eight years. Oh my goodness. But if you're obsessed with this one point, it's all you have, it's really sad to see. It's quite a big point, It's not because Trump calls Harris a fascist. Didn't Trump say immigrants for the poisonous to the blood of the nation or whatever? To comparing Trump to the most evil person in modern history.

Who murdered 12 million people who perpetrated a whole court to six million. I've not called Trump Hitler. The only person I know who's called Trump Hitler is his running mate, J.D. Vans. And his last general called him a fascist. He was also wrong. Oh yeah, his last general, but his top general said he's a fascist to the court. His chief of staff says he praised Hitler. Should we go down the list? Well, they didn't praise it.

Do you know more about Trump? I know your friends with him. He said he said he would like to have had the loyalty of Hitler's. That's not true, peers. Let's be some facts. He said, quote, he said, quote, Hitler did some good things is what he said. He denies that. He denies it.

Like, Trump denies it. How do you know he did? Piers, you trust Donald Trump over General John Kelly. Just say that to the world. Possibly on that, yeah. Possibly, do you? Yes or no. It's been denied by other people who were in the room.

Trump lies in every breath. Other people of, I don't dispute he has a problem with the truth. But I would say that other people who were in the room at the time say he never said it. So let's just be clear. All of the top generals and military people who worked with him. Mark Millie, John Kelly, Jim Mattis, H.R. McMaster. They're all fired, right? Mark Esper. None of them were fired, actually. No, McMaster quit. Matis quit.

Kelly quits. You're wrong again, Pierre. Pierce, facts matter, Pierce. I know you're pushing. When you say quit, what do you mean? They literally walked away. Well, they were forced away. No, no, no. Let me finish, because you're getting this all wrong. I know you get your talking points from Fox these days. Well, you did. You just said something that Fox says. John Kelly walked away.

I see him a liberal chair when I did the fire. John Kelly walked away and Trump praised him on the way out. Matis walked away, Trump praised him on the way. the way. The only time Trump started criticizing them is when they pointed out stuff that he had said to them. So all these generals are lying and Donald Trump, a man who has problems with the truth, to use your phrase, is telling the truth. Come on, Pierce, it's embarrassing. Well, but how do you, listen, I kind of, listen, I tend to agree with you. I don't know. I don't trust Donald Trump for sure. But even, like, I know a little bit about your politics,

but am I really supposed to just, what, like, these generals are all beyond lying? I mean, Mattis, as you know, right? Mattis, Mattis resigned because Trump actually tried to pull out of Syria, which he had campaigned on it. But he didn't criticize from the Sun. I agree with you. No, he did. No, no, he said he said he doesn't respect the Constitution. They all consistently say the same thing.

Okay, fine. But like, what does that even mean to them? They don't respect the Constitution. We were in Syria unconstitutional. We were there without a declaration of war. Obama. The game is always comparing both sides. I'm not.

It's not even wrong. He even declared wars in World War II. I know. That's my point. The thing is, you're just projecting that I'm playing that game. I'm talking about something else. Dave, I'm not playing you. I'm agreeing with you. I'm agreeing with you.

What I'm saying is, do you believe all the generals are just attacking, forget the generals, go through everyone, his press secretary, his vice president. We can go through the list. NBC went to 44 cabinet officials. I do not. I said, are you voting for Trump? Four said yes. Okay, so let me ask you quick.

I believe that, and I do not trust Donald Trump. I think he's not an honest person. He's a self-promoter who will say whatever makes him look good. I believe that when Donald Trump said all of this rhetoric about drain the swamp in 2016, when he said, we're not going to fight these wars anymore, when he, maybe somewhat unwittingly, called out Obama and John Brennan for the literal treason that they committed in Syria with a capital T, arming and funding the enemy in wartime, okay?

When he said Obama created ISIS, things like that, I think he made a lot of enemies in Washington, D.C. And the idea that you could get five or ten of them to come together and all say something bad about them? Okay, fine, dozens. I don't believe them either. Dave, you're a smart guy. Let me just put it to you, just very simply.

If I'm Mike Pence, am I not voting for Donald Trump because my family almost got killed or because Trump was in Syria? I'm going to take the simple answer that he's not supporting Trump because he saw that Trump did on January 6th. Well, I'm not saying Pence isn't... Well, I'm going to go down the list.

I can think you're all day telling me about former Trump officials who have turned on him. They can't all be lying. Yeah, they can. Actually, I mean, they can't. By definition, they could. All of them are lying in Trump's telling the truth. It's not a law.

It's not insane. It's not, no, I don't. It's not a law of logic that they couldn't all be lying. Yes, you could get a bunch of people in D.C. together to lie. That's that. How do you think we got in Iraq, right? You got a lot of people in D.C. together to lie. And look, let me just say.

This is the reality to support Donald Trump. It's that every single person is lying, but not Trump. This is the time they tell the truth. This is the game of the head must. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on.

Wait, wait. I'm just curious. one other person with this track record of people around him that say he's a bad guy that you would support. Can you think of a single person with even half as many people that have worked closely with him? All of his personal people before lunches. People like Michael Cohen. People like how many people in his campaign were arrested and then he parted immediately. People like Mennifer, people like Bannon.

Like any one other person, just one person. Destiny. One person. I'm going to say one thing to you, which is this, which is notwithstanding all your blind fury you two about all this. It's not blind. It's very, we're seeing clearly. I would say, though, what's fascinating to me is the moment. I try and turn it back and say, yeah, but hang on, what about the rhetoric from your side?

So give me the rhetoric. The Hitler, the Nazis. The Madison Square Guard is 19-19. We've done this before in July. Literally Hillary Clinton just said this was 1939 all over again. The rally. A Nazi-style rally. She is calling Trump supporters Nazis.

So you do. So you do think he's a new Hitler. Hold on. A Nazi-style rally does not mean you're the new Hitler. What's it mean? What's it mean? Hold on. You do this every time.

Trump called Biden. The Nazis were his party. Is Joe Biden the Gestapo? What's I got to do with it? I'm asking the question. Is Joe Biden the Gestapo in your view? No, I'm asking you if it's a Nazi rally, why is he not the new Hitler? Peers, is Joe Biden the Gestapo? Who's running these new Nazis? Is Joe Biden the Gestapo? What's going to do with it?

I'm asking you a Gestapo? I'm asking the question. Is my debate? Well, okay, well, then let me just point out to you. Answer my question first. I will. Joe Biden was called a Gestapo by Trump. I've never heard you criticize Trump for calling Biden Nazi. Why? I thought we weren't supposed to do what aboutism.

Exactly. By the way, I think it's a legitimate point you're making. By the way, he wasn't having a stop boat. It's offensive is wrong. So is it equally offensive, but you think he actually genuinely was a Nazi rally? Do you see the difference between saying the people say? Did you say that it was a Nazi style rally? In terms of the rhetoric that I said, do you think Carmel is anti-Christ?

Do you think Carmel Harris is the anti-Christ? You can't just ignore the fact. Hang on, let's Harris speak. Yes, please. Geez, I feel like I should be your mother and to shut you guys up. I'm not your mother, your grown men, and I have respect for your ages, if nothing else.

But listen, you did just say that it was a Nazi-type rally, meaning Nazi-style rowing, meaning participants. Yeah, meaning participants. So who's the leader of this group? Meaning participants are Nazi-style participants in such a thing? I'm saying people are cheering on far-right rhetoric. Do you know what the great replacement? The great replacement theory is.

The far-right... Do you know what the great replacement theory is? Many. What about all the Jews in the audience I saw? What about the Jews in the audience I saw? What about the Israel flags I saw? Israel flag means what? What does it mean?

They may not be thinking he's a new hit. Do you know some of the far-right politicians in Europe support Israel right now, including card carrying anti-Semites across the world? Why would Jewish people go and watch the new Hitler and cheer him up? Why did a Jewish speaker make lots of anti-immigrant racist remarks? I mean, this is a ridiculous. Muslims and Jews. A Muslim guy endorsed Trump on Friday. Does that mean Trump is pro-Muslim? Come on. Here's, you're better than this. No, no. I'll tell you what, you're better than this, because when you say it was a Nazi rally,

I didn't see it was a Nazi style rally. What do you say it's a Nazi style rally? You're calling Trump, Hitler. Let me repeat myself. I'm repeating myself. I'm saying that I listen to a rally at which people said things that Nazi said. Do you deny that Joseph Goebbels talked about enemy of the people, that enemy within his Hitler life? Anyone who uses the phrase enemy of the people is a Nazi. Not anyone when Trump consistently uses Trump language, Hitler language, when he says poisoning the blood of the immigrants, for that coincidence as well.

Even after he was told, that's only from Mindcamp and he said it again. Was that a coincidence? Was that a Nazi rally? Was that a coincidence? Was that a Nazi rally? No. It was a Nazi style rally. People said absolutely neo-Nazi things. So these people are capable of prosecuting a hollic-a-line, and I want you to do with facts,

is a great replacement theory, Nazi theory or not? No, no, no, no, sorry, facts matter. You can't just say, I'm going to ask you about, headline pictures. You're missing my overall point, which is this. It's not my fault that you don't understand what happened yesterday. I'm exercised about the... I'm exorcised about the fact that you don't get in facts, peers. The Great Replacement Theory. Nope. Great Replacement Theory is a neo-Nazi theory. Until you address that,

I can't continue this conversation, but you don't know what you're talking about. I want to move to a different thing, because you're not going to address the fact. You don't know what the Great Replacement theory is. You think they're a bunch of Nazis, but don't really want to say. I didn't say there. I didn't watch as both of your shows. I love watching you guys do this. because watching you guys hear to other people's, and when you guys go to each other is very funny. And I do it too. It is true, though. You don't deal in fact

when you talk about Trump, though. I agree with him. No, I do. I'm very good to say. What did you? Hang on. You guys get mad about Trump

being in the Hitler. Trump literally says, I want to suspend the Constitution of my own fraud. I don't agree with the great replacement theory. So why was it echoed by Tucker Carlson and Don Jr. yesterday at the Brown? I don't agree with him.

What you want me to say? So you're, yeah, he said, yes, Don Jr. was speaking. He said, immigrants coming to replace us. Trump was on a softball question by Sean Hannity and he said he'd be a dictator on day one. But let me ask you about illegal immigration then, Destiny. So we've seen an unbelievably large number of illegal immigrants come in during the Biden-Harris administration.

Do you think this is right for America? I don't think that Republicans think that illegal immigration is a problem right now. In fact, I'm 100% confident about it. I think I'm right. Between 7 and 10 million people have come in illegally. Here are two facts that nobody will ever talk about. I'll tell you, here are two facts that we do not have a problem right now with illegal immigration in the United States. United States. We have a problem with asylum seeking. Okay? That's the number one, that's a huge thing.

But number two, if this was such a huge problem, why were Republicans so content to pull the plug on it when Donald Trump said, I need to leave the border open for me to run on this as an election issue? You know what that tells me? That tells me, that was never really a problem in the first place. So it's Trump's fault. It was just a talking point. It's Trump's full. Definitionally. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, I got to hear this. Do you understand. Did you agree that Donald Trump was the one that told them to pull the plug on the bill? He said so. Well, I don't think. Wait, wait, wait, do you agree that Donald Trump told them. Do not vote yes on this bill. I can try and answer.

Okay. I don't think you should have been active in getting that bill a pool because it would have helped. However, and I want to bring Sarah in on this, you cannot dispute there is a massive crisis at the southern border. Nor can you dispute. I'm shocked that you say that Republicans don't believe that the influx of illegal aliens cross our borders is not a problem. It is a problem. It is a problem. And I think it's not just Republicans who recognize that.

Look at even the Democrat leaders of saying. cities who are being overrun, their budgets being busted, trying to support the... And they all supported the bill. They supported the bill. Do you not think blaming Trump for everything that was a bit lame? I'm talking about cities. They were ready to vote for the bill and then Trump said, don't do it. Let me bring in day. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Oh my God. Actually, what I was going to say to you before I got yet again on my own show? What I was going to say to you was... I thought it was going to be David, Sarah versus me and

apparently me and Dusty versus Sarah and Pierce. When I, when I, you always like to do this and it's not true. I've not heard you say one critical thing about Trump. When Trump was president, I wrote 110 columns for the Daily Mail about Trump. When he left, I counted negative positive. It's about a 55th. Great, but not today. So I have been very, very critical to Trump and I felt he's deserved it.

Well no, because I find that with you and with Desi with great respect to you guys, you absolutely love sticking it to him. When I try and stick it back to your own problems with your own... happens with your own party, you don't want to hear it. I can assure you I wish that I hadn't heard a bunch of racist stuff last night. I'm just coming in the show to say I heard a bunch of racist stuff last night. Dave, let me ask you this, Dave. Trump's most powerful part of his speech was his first line.

We said, let me start by just saying this. How many of you feel better off than you did four years ago? And they all said, do any of you? And they all shouted no. I can imagine millions of Americans at home who've had an extremely tough four years because of massive inflation, a huge cost of living problems, would all be shouting no as well. That in the end, I suspect will win Trump the election.

Nothing else. I suspect it's actually going to be, well, it'll be the failure to control the border, but it will be predominantly that people feel they are worse off than they were four years ago. Well, I think the thing that really undercuts this pitch from Donald Trump is that he really means five years ago. You know, like Donald Trump has to run on the first three years of his administration and then go, hey, that whole 2020 thing really doesn't count because like we got hit with this virus. And the Democrats would have done the same thing.

Is it unreasonable that position, given it was a global pandemic, given by common consent, America performed better than most countries in the pandemic. It depends on how you measure. It totally depends on how you measure. Economically, it is believed America performed better than most countries. We also recovered better, but Biden doesn't get credit for that. Geez, guys, I mean, I know it's like a week before an election, man,

and everything's just got to get down to this tribal. Like, we got to win this point, man. But just for a second, I will say that it's like, look, on one hand, what Donald Trump benefits from is the fact that the entire Democratic criticism of Donald Trump through 2020 was just that he didn't do more lockdowns and do more, you know what I mean? And so they kind of don't get to say it, but he also doesn't really get. The truth is four years ago from today, a lot of Americans were worse off than they are right now because they were recovering from lockdowns. There were people whose businesses were shut down.

Now, if Donald Trump, in my opinion, if Donald Trump had been a great, leader had had actually risen to the moment he was called to and had gotten fouchy off that uh uh task force and had been against lockdowns and had kept somewhat of liberty going through that year he'd be in a much stronger position to say that the irony the irony is that trump in the pandemic actually behaved like a good old-fashioned authoritarian and you lot screamed it wasn't authoritarian enough well that listen i will say i do think maybe not you there were certainly a lot of people who Oh, I disagree with you fundamentally on the Fauci, of course. Sure, but that's a separate point.

Now, for Donald Trump, what he can kind of get at is that, yeah, the first three years of his administration certainly were much better times for many Americans. I would say this, however, I think in some ways Donald Trump is fortunate that he didn't win the election in 2020 because those years were going to be very tough years for the country. And now the Democrats... And yet we've had the fastest growing economy in the G-Sand-S. Yes. depending on how you want to measure these things,

I think they've been very difficult. Man, you guys just are like impossible. We found out of seeing so many bullshit facts. The United States is doing better than every OEC100 than every G7 country comes to inflation. You said, you're trying to blame it off. I say one thing. No, it didn't.

Destiny, I'm actually not trying to blame it on. But if you listen to what I said, I said whoever was going to be in there was going to have. But that's what you hear. Because you're in this, can I win the point mode? No, it's not about winning the point. Even when you say people were mad about Trump for not being an authoritarian.

enough. That's not true. People were mad about Trump because, one, he denied that COVID was even in the country for days or weeks until it was finally evident that we had to say something about it. And then, two, Donald Trump undermined his own health administration so much that the one thing that he wished it could take credit for that he tried to, which was Warps for the vaccine, he couldn't even do it because his electric wouldn't even believe that vaccines work. Hang on, let me bring in Sarah. Thank you. I'll be bringing Sarah. You were making a point based on Trump's opening lines, right? And I think you were going to make an interesting point, but you were interrupted. The actual world drives us. You mumbled an answer, though, when he said Trump asked the audience, are you better off today than you were? And you said, well, no. They are better off today. You're saying we are better off today? Factually, yeah. I know facts. Really.

The $33 trillion debt that we are, their trajectory of this debt, too, is going the wrong direction. So hold on, Trump added more to the debt than any previous president. I'm going to give me an example. If we're just going to do four years. Look at the inflation rate. Go into a grocery store, see what it costs, to buy a dozen eggs, to buy a pound of butter, to fuel up your truck, all these things. But look at the polls, by the way, which show the two biggest issues for American voters in this election by far are the economy's growth cost of living and immigration. And that is why if Trump ends up winning, it will be on those two issues.

We agree for the first time in the show. I agree with you that the polling is bad on the economy. The Americans, the vibes are bad on the economy. We're not better off today. The point destiny made just now is that facts also matter. I thought it was a conservative line. Facts don't care about your feelings. I don't care that Americans feel bad about the economy.

The numbers are very clear. Every economist says the same thing. Every survey shows the same thing. Real wages are actually higher today than they were in September 2020. They are. Real wages are higher. Real wages, you know what real wages are? What do you mean?

Not factory. Real wages, factory inflation, Sarah Palin. That's what real wages are. Factory inflation, real wages are higher today than in September 2020. In fact, wages of outstrip prices for the last 20 straight months. Household net wealth is at record high. Unemployment is at a 50-year low. We now have 6 million fewer people unemployed.

So why did the vast majority of Americans feel worse off? Sorry? Are they all lying about it being worse off? I think inflation took a toll, huge toll. So they are worse off? But the inflation is now down, right? We're at the lowest inflation rates since February 2021. No, because now real wages are.

You just said you infer there were. Have prices decreased then? First of all, again, I agree that Americans upset about prices. about prices. But it was a global problem, wasn't it? Did you not just say the pandemic was a global problem? Was inflation not a global problem? Why would they be upset about prices if they're not worse off? Because they were. Hold on, in 2022 when we hit record high levels of inflation. If I had sat on your show then. They still feel worse off today. We still have that inflation. It's cumulative. It's ear rear. It adds. So they are worse off there. No, that's one factor. Price are just one thing.

Wages are another thing. Network is another thing. I already conceded. Do people feel worse off? Yes. But the numbers, but the numbers say something else. So they understand they're all completely deluded. Yeah, people, not deluded, but people, you think the public know everything about it. You are underestimating the wisdom of the people. There's poignant. You can look at the Europe both.

You can see. You can see. By the way, since Joe Biden was running for the Republican Party itself is all about true. So this has actually been the official Democratic line, which is that this is a great economy. They were saying this back this summer when Joe Biden was in.

It's a great economy. All of the numbers show it. All of the economists say it. But there's this problem where people just don't agree. They don't understand. They don't know. They don't know. Let me get a sentence out here.

Listen, as you guys kind of just alluded to there, look, the problem with inflation is that it is cumulative. And so even though the inflation rate has come down, that's just adding to the prices. And people have been absolutely destroyed over the last three and a half years over this price inflation. It is literally everybody I know has felt the pressure of it. Even people who make like really good money, it's been very, very, very, very, difficult. I do not think this is something that lays at the feet of one party or the other.

The truth is that Donald Trump in the year 2020, not all Trump, but his government, locked down the economy and added $6 trillion to the money supply in the year 2020. That was going to result in some price inflation. Biden then in 2021 came in. They kept the money printing going. But it's also a global issue, then. I'm not denying there was inflation problems around the government. I'm saying we're talking about America right now. This is something that is written. Now, the politics of it are that the actual price inflation pretty much all fell on Joe Biden and Kamala Harris' watch and that's very difficult to get yourself out.

Can I just say one point about these things about facts and feelings? I can prove to you that Americans are not doing this as some kind of rational calculation. I can prove it to you. If the Americans people really cared about inflation and prices, that's their number one issue, then they would vote Harris. Because every single economist, 95% of economists, according to a University of Chicago Service, say they will pay higher in tariffs. will bring up inflation every serious economist in this country you're missing the

you're missing the vote because if inflation is my point because you let me finish mind you jumped in if inflation is their number one issue then they should be voting for Harris okay that proves the inflation's up here's the problem the problem is that the reality of the inflation issue as you've all basically omitted is that inflation by very definition is increasing prices even if the rate comes down so Americans are paying consistently month by month by month for the entire Biden Harris administration they're paying more when they go to the grocery store their wages are two peers this is a key part of economics but the vast

the vast majority of working class people in America they feel they feel worse off and that is going to ultimately is going to resonate we're kind of not really disagree I've never at the very beginning I said I take your point about feelings yeah I'm just saying facts show that they're better off if you want to answer the question to Trump asked honestly people are better off today let's turn to war because that should calm down the debate. Destiny, look, obviously it's pretty consequential election in many ways, but not least I would argue for the fate of people in Gaza and Ukraine and other hotspots around the world. Where are we with these? I mean, it's quite interesting to me that for the first time

I can remember, you have a body of Republicans who do not want to back, say, Ukraine against a Russian dictator that illegally invaded their country. I remain very perplexed and surprise that that is the view and Sarah we can come to you for why that may be but that is the case if Trump was to win he says he'll fix it all in 24 hours I don't think he will but like he will try and do a deal the question is what is that deal because because you can claim is saying they're not going to give up an inch of the land is the issue is that Donald Trump is a four-year-old when it comes to understanding any really any issue but especially foreign policy and a lot

of people have this of they're obsessed with this idea of peace in their mind which if you're in conflict peace is the furthest thing from your mind you want some kind of just peace or justice, right? So Trump's solution for Ukraine is just give up the land that's been taken from you and everything will be kosher, just like Russia did in Moldova with Transnistria, just like Russia did with South Asia and I can't pronounce other place in Georgia, and just like Russia is trying to do now with Ukraine. If you're somebody that wants, you know, justice for Ukraine, you want the United States to remain a world leader when it comes to, you know, ensuring trade routes or being somebody that the world looks to to ensure relative peace and freedom

and stability throughout places like Europe, which it has enjoyed historically. more in the past 30 years than it had in the 200 years prior to that, Donald Trump obviously is not going to do that for you. If you're somebody who's very concerned about the Israeli-Ghazah conflict, I mean, you've got Donald Trump who wholeheartedly, he said it before, will support Israel basically no matter what, with absolutely, you know, no contention whatsoever. You've got a guy who agreed to moving the embassy, who before that was talking about pulling all of the UNRefriending from the Gaza Strip, who would support Netanyahu through and through. The whole reason why those Abraham Accords started was because Netanyahu wanted to start annexing parts of the

West Bank, right? Donald Trump. is not going to help any of the Palestinians, if that's something that you're concerned about. Insofar as peace in the Middle East, I mean, you've got this talking point over and over again, no new wars, no new wars. Yeah, again, we haven't any new wars since World War II, right? The war in Iraq was the use of force authorization,

or the authorization of the use of force, but it wasn't actually a war. But it was a war. You can call it that, but Donald Trump bombs- – American troops led the invasion back back back. I mean, that wasn't a war, apparently. Yeah, with no congressional authorization.

Iran attacked Saudi Arabia, you know, did – they did a drone strike on oil. refineries. There was conflict all throughout Iraq and Syria. Donald Trump abandoned Kurdish allies in Syria. Donald Trump signed a deal with the tally ban and essentially forfeited Afghanistan, and there was the whole fallout from that. Like this idea that there was peace in the Middle East under Donald Trump is absolutely ridiculous. It doesn't make any sense. I actually think Trump's foreign policy was a lot more effective than people giving him credit for. He did nothing. What was effective about it? Well, there's not, um, look, I mean, it's not, there's some truth in there

mixed with some just like attempts to get Donald Trump. Look, when people say there were no new wars under Donald Trump, there is, first of all, I'll say at least that's the talking point. At least that's what they're going with rather than going, he killed all them terrorists or something like that, which would have, 20 years ago, would have been the talking point

from people on the right wing, so that's at least better. But the reason why they wouldn't consider him bombing Syria a new war is because Obama had us already in that conflict since 2012. When he reneged on his red line, when Assad used, chemical weapons and Obama did nothing and Putin came in and took control. Well, that's what happened.

Yeah, okay. Anyway, yes. That is what happened. Well, actually, if you want to really look at what happened in 2012, because the war, and I know you know about this stuff, because the war in Iraq had been such a disaster and the power had been handed back to the Shiites in the region and Iran had more influence than they had in the history of the regime, then it really started under George W. Bush, but then continued into Obama. They did what they called the redirect, where now, we were going to try to take the Shiites down a peg, who we had just put in power in Iraq. And so what we wanted to do was overthrow Bashar al-Assad. And so we started funding all of the anti-Assad rebels, which largely consisted of Al-Qaeda and ISIS,

and they knew this. Anyway, it wasn't like during Obama, Obama inherited these two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and said he was going to end at least the one in Iraq. He then spread wars to Libya, Syria, Yemen, Somalia had already been going. since George W. Bush was in there. You didn't see that under Donald Trump. You didn't see... However, he did... Disagate. I'll say...

Yes. If you let me finish the sentence, then sure we'd get there. However, he did escalate the war in Afghanistan, which he said himself was unwinnable. And so he escalated the war in Afghanistan. Not like Obama with 70,000-plus troops there, but he did send thousands extra troops. He did take off the gloves with drone strikes and rules of engagement. So the idea that he was like an anti-war president is not true. there was rhetorically he was very different than previous presidents and he would at least talk about the idea

that these wars were disasters that we never should have fought them and that really America shouldn't be involved in that business I'm glad that he's at least infusing that into the popular conversation he came in it with an overview as a business guy it's just bad business these wars were costing trillions of dollars cumulatively to get nowhere really you must your assessment of Trump on the foreign state

and there's huge conflicts of business interest also with this war machine that our country has seemed to have embraced and allowed to perpetuate. I'm voting for Trump because I hate war. And I don't know if any of you, I hate that it's the old man who call for wars and they send our young men to go fight those wars for them, our young men and our young women. And, you know, all politics are personal. I don't know if any of you have a real personal connection with those who have been sent to war zones. And then the guys, the gals, they come back.

different people. They're adversely affected. On a personal level here, I will do whatever I can, and I will support whatever candidate needs support in order to avoid war. Why I will not support Kamala, she doesn't understand, for one, that inherent link between energy development, energy independence in America, and that inherently between that and our safety and our sovereignty. And because Kamala and because the Democrat Party has put an end to so much of their exploration, certainly so much of our development, of our own natural resources. Isn't America producing more energy today than we have in all of history? No, we're not.

That's not true? We're not? No, we're not. Okay. Remember Kamala and her administration, day one, they stopped pipelines, no more drilling on federal lands. They did. So we look up.

America's not producing energy. You ran with McCain. You said you care about veterans and everything. Did Trump's comments about McCain bother you at all? The Trump prefers people that didn't get captured? I've never said anything negative about McCain or any... I didn't ask if you said it. I asked Trump's comments bother you about that.

When Trump made fun of that Gold Star family for their church for their child, did that bother you? They both are me. I wrote a call on criticizing him heavily for it. I just said she cares about that. I had two parents served in the Air Force. I'm just curious, do you care about this? If I care about vets? If I care about vets.

Yeah, if I care about vets. Yeah, really. Did these comments bother you? Yes, if you care about vets. So the inherent link between energy. energy and prosperity and energy security. It's going to talk about whether or not Trump's comments about making it. You interrupted the point that I was going to make.

You changed the subject, dude. He's a political talking points. Are we ready for office in here? Really, really. You did run for office, by the way. You ran with John McCain, the most warmongering man that we know of. I didn't think that was the point to make. Not what I did.

Why did you run with John McCain? To make a positive difference in our country. But he would have sent more people to die. You don't know that. I do. He literally said, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran. He sang it. He sang it.

You did. He campaigned on a war platform. He campaigned on a war plan on a hundred years and bombing your own. You're asking why I accepted the nomination to run for vice president of the United States in the Iraq? I just want to remind younger viewers at home, you ran with the most warmongering senator of my lifetime. And you're asking why I ran for vice president of the United States? No, no, I know why you ran. You wanted power.

I'm just saying why you're not consistent. I mean, to be fair, Val, Vance accepted the nomination and he said that Trump could be America's next Hitler, so, I mean, you know. All right. Let me try and be a little fairer to the ex-governor because she's on her own here getting attacked by three brutal males. I wanted to talk about energy and America's need for energy. Facts matter too. America's record energy production right now. No, it does.

What's false? People can Google it right now. When I said that on day one, what the Biden administration did was halt so much of our exploration and yet we have record energy production. I'm not a fan of it, by the way. I think we should have less energy production. I'm a critic of buying on his energy production. You're a liar. You lie.

I'm a liar. I'm a lie. Yes, and you said, no, Biden didn't do that. Yes, he did. On day one, they started. Do you know he handed up more licenses of Trump? Do you know that? I'm making the point that you denied. My point is true. Yes, he said energy is higher and you said no. So if anyone lied, you did. Listen. People can deviant, they can rewind it and see you saying a false statement. Let me ask this question. So you don't think that Biden, you don't think that Biden is ordered our exploration than Trump. And you just lie. Is energy production higher, Sarah Palin? It's a very simple question. I know, I don't think. I don't. are not your strong point is energy production higher today under Biden than under Trump? It's a simple yes or no question. You're an obnoxious.

Facts heard, don't you? Facts don't care about your feelings. Are Americans wrong when they have this feeling? Well, the feelings often are generated from the... I'm notious because I'm asking you why you would say that Biden didn't thwart. You're a racist. We want to play that game? You said Obama is not born in America.

He's not one of us. I said that? Yeah, you said Trump is doing a great job asking for his birth certificate. I said he said he's not one. he's not one of us. You said he jives and schmuck. Should we go down the record? You're going to call me obnoxious. Why do you talk about your racism? Why do you change your subject? You said black lies matter protesters are dogs. Should we go down? I said there dogs? You're a liar. Show me where I ever said that protests are doing dogs. It's funny you didn't deny the about you

say if I'm a shocking judge. You're a liar. Manny, if you get the governor on your show, which is I would say unlikely as things, Dan. If you do, you can continue the prosecution. Let me just segue to this though, because it's interesting. I called people dogs who were protesting in America? You're a liar. Did you question Obama's birth? Oh, my goodness. Did you say he's not one of us? Did you say he's paling around with terrorists?

Based on that, well, we're talking about Bill Ayers at the time and how Obama had kicked off his, yes, his entire. Oh my goodness. I can't believe we even have a show. Did you say he's not one of us? I still want to know this proof that you have of me calling protesters in America, dogs. I believe you've heard of black lives around a protest. I believe you are right.

All right, well, fact-check artists. I want to ask you this, many, because you're being very vocal and taking on... I mean, I got called obnoxious for pointing out energy production levels. I don't think you would win a court case about not big obnoxious. But let's move on, let's move on. I can also be nausea before you get... Just play the water battery. Let me just ask you this, say, given that you believe Trump is, you know, a racist who's holding neo-Nazi-style rallies and so on,

why is it that he's gaining significant ground with black and Latino voters? Why would they gravitate to a man who is literally in your eyes the new version of a Nazi? It's a good question. I think because minority communities are not monoliths. I'm having the same issues in my own Muslim community where a lot of Muslims, not a lot, but some Muslims are actually going to vote for Trump because they're upset about Gaza. They think he's the peace candidate. And I think people have different reasons.

I think we can make generalizations about entire communities. I'm not going to make generalizations about black or Latino votes. Although I think it's slightly exaggerated. There's an ABC poll that came out on Sunday. You have a woman. There's an ABC poll that came out on Sunday that shows Harris is doing better with black and Latino men than Joe Biden did in 2020. But the significant thing, Dave, is that Trump's own popularity with black and Latino voters is significantly increased. What is that popularity? What are the numbers are we talking here?

Are we going from like 11% to 17%? I think on African Americans, there's something like from about 4 or 5% to nearly 20%. That's significant. It depends on what polls you look at. And again, like, we'll figure out in, you know, well, I guess it might take us a. few weeks before we have this data, but we'll see what actually ends up happening on the election day. There is something very interesting about the fact that Trump's, if you look at the aggregate of the polls, Trump's support amongst minorities seems to be going up. There is at least on the surface that

seems kind of funny, given how he's being covered in the corporate media. I honestly, I really do think that a lot of the, there's kind of like a, the progressive cultural worldview is often very disconnected from what people in these communities actually care about. I think the fact that, like, I think personally there's actually a lot of things that appeal to certain people in these communities that Donald Trump, just in his personality. But I really do think that if you ask them, it all is coming down to the same two things that it's coming down to for most voters, which is immigration in the economy. These are the two big issues across all the polls.

It is, I mean, whatever side of this you're on with Trump, it is fascinating that, you're somebody who many on your side believe is this appalling racist and everything else that he is increasing support in the in minority groups why is certain talking because black people and Hispanic people and Asian people and white we're not fundamentally different you can appeal to people using certain talking points like I hate that on science but like Dave said I agree that um that talking about immigration and inflation that's a thing that plays to a lot of communities especially if your up-war community especially we don't have so much money these are things that are

probably hitting you the hardest now the issue where the rubber meets the road is that while Trump will talk about inflation, while Trump was running for president, he ran huge deficits in a great economy. There is no reason for it. At least Biden has an excuse to rent deficits. We're coming out of a global pandemic. And Donald Trump's every single policy that Donald Trump is talking about will increase inflation. It's going to include, who do you think I'm going to care if my coffee costs $10 or $15 because of tariffs? It's not going to bother me. It's not bother anybody sitting here. It's going to bother the very same communities that are trying to vote for him because they're worried about things like inflation. And the policies themselves don't even

make sense, right? What do you think is going to happen when we deport 12 million workers? Or when or when we deport however many people Donald Trump wants to, or when we cut immigration even harder at the border, right? Donald Trump will simultaneously, as he says, we're shipping all of our factories to Mexico because they're making cars on there, but we want to ban all the people from coming to the United States to make the cars.

Allow me to remind you of my favorite statistic, which is... I don't care about Obama. Obama is not running for president, so I don't know why I don't care. You're ahead of me, but let me do it anyway. I know, I've heard it. The deporter in chief, it doesn't matter.

All it proves is that Trump is a liar when you say he ran on immigration because Obama was already deporting a side of people. The single greatest deporter of people in American presidential. history pro rata per year was Barack Obama. So would you say that Trump was lying when he said that the Democrats were bad on immigration? Over three million in eight years.

So would you say that Trump was lying when he said that Obama was bad on immigration? No, I'm simply saying there's so much. Would you say that Donald Trump and the Republicans lied when they said that Obama had an open border? There is so much. Palin has probably said that Obama had an open border. Did they lie when they said that? Let's call her Mrs. Payton.

Be respectful. Mrs. Palin. Mrs. Does Obama have an open border? Hang on. Do you think Donald Trump's going to win in a week? I do. I do. And I think that, again, you are underestimating the wisdom of the people, the collective here in the electorate, people saying we do need a change from what we have just witnessed for three and a half years, four years now.

And Kamala will, she will perpetuate. She will continue what the Biden administration did. What do you think Trump clearly has something, I'll use this word and it's going to enrage these two. I don't mean it in the sense of fantasy magic, but he's got a magical touch which allows vast numbers of people to gravitate him. I saw it last night, not just in the Madison Square Garden, outside there were tens of thousands of people trying to get in.

So he's got something. I saw Jonathan Carl on ABC this morning say, whatever you think of, he said, I can't think of a single Republican nominee ever who could have packed out Madison Square Garden in this stage of a campaign in Democrat-dominated New York. He's not even that popular. Has Trump's popularity ever been about 45%?

This is what ABC's Jonathan Carl said, not me, right? Is he going to win New York here? No, but you know what? He's going to do very much better in New York than people would have expected, and I do think there's a potential that Trump could do a massive sweep of all the swing states. I do.

And I think he might also win the popular vote, which would be extraordinary, given where we things are. I'm also reminded, Medi, that in the 2020 election, Trump got to need 10 million more votes than first time around in 2016. So, notwithstanding your...

own very deep rooted views about him there is something as I say magical in his ability to bring these people to him and believe in him right it may be a magic that he hates and he hates I mean there was other speakers in history I saw it last night there is a further about his support which is tangible magic yeah I think you know if you if you take away the the checkbook of and the bank account right that that Trump is is owner of he you can ratchet down what it is that he stands for and the way he speaks and the connection that he has with people that covers all demographics. And he's like a regular person. And I know that personally. And we've

been friends for many years before he became a big wig in politics. We became friends because he had a connection with me through family. He saw what the press was doing to me, the media was doing to me back when I was a governor, when they were attacking my kids and they They were on a national level. They were telling lies about my administration, my record, my reputation. And Trump started reaching out to me back then saying, hey, you know, hang in there and it's tragic what they're doing to your kids. That's not fair.

So we connected over that. And then through these years, that connection has grown. I see personally, I see firsthand how he is able to reach out, and there is charisma there, way he is able to reach out and make connections. He speaks like the everyday man. People think that's perhaps uncouth and he may not have some kind of pedigree that some people would desire to see it in him. But that's, that mirrors kind of the general population in America where again, take away the checkbook, take away the money and he can connect to the everyday man. Medi, who's going to win? Putting aside who you want to?

I don't know. Who's going to win? I don't know. That means to me you think he's going to win. Yeah, of course he could win. I've said that to anyone. The fact you don't know means you think. Of course he could win. He's neck and neck in the polls, which probably means he's leading. If you're neck and neck in the polls, Trump's support in the polls. So I think Democrats should be panicking. Yeah, he did better in 2016 and 2020 than he was polling. Yes, right? Which is that? Now, I don't know. Although I would say there's half a million Puerto Ricans in Pennsylvania. I'm sure the Democrats are going to stay. Dave, let me ask you, Dave, let me ask you, Dave. Who are you going to vote for? You know, I did not vote for Trump in 2016 or 2020, and I've been basically just as of this week being like I might actually vote for him this time.

And just to be clear, it is totally just a vote against Kamala Harris. I was so disgusted at her campaigning with Liz Cheney and going on this tour of like trying to, I don't know, rehabilitate the image of the Cheney's. And I'm just so I'm so disgusted at the fact that I've never seen a campaign like Kamala Hattie. where the one there's literally running on nothing yeah I mean not even like running on bad idea well listen I don't think it's okay it's not literally true but what I'm saying obviously is that she she ran a campaign for president in 2020 she has walked away from every central issue that she was campaigning on in 2020 when asked about it she says that was five years ago huh ha ha ha ha like that's there's there's defund the police I don't

want to defund the police I don't want to ban fracking I don't want to ban fracking My values have been changed. It was five years ago. Trump did a three-hour interview Joe Rogan had lied like 50 times. I mean, all right. But just be clear, you are going to vote Trump. You know, he could say something that disgust me so much in between now and when I vote that I might not. Like if he's every time I...

Nothing he said last night discussed it. There, there, I didn't actually watch the full speech last night. But the stuff, anything on the topic of Israel is probably going to risk losing my support for him. but I do think that there is something about the Kamala Harris campaign that is almost like a completely manufactured campaign by the machine. She's not running on what she ran on last time she ran for president. She's not running on her track record as vice president because she's not Joe Biden.

And so I just find it like I'm so disgusted by it that I want it to lose. Will you be voting Trump? Absolutely not. Will you vote for Kamala Harris with great enthusiasm? Absolutely. 100%. Trump is one of the... Really?

The most appalling thing. Yeah, of course. I was promised communism after eight years of a foreign Kenyan person being in office, Obama, and that didn't happen. I was promised communism, socialism, and all my guns were going to be gone. I lived in Omaha, Nebraska, and every time a Democrat was up for office, you need to come down to ammo or us, and buy guns, they're going to take him. It never happened under Biden.

The United States economy is outperforming every other economy in the world right now, under Biden's policies that, ostensibly Harris will continue. She will most like continue these policies. The idea that Trump, and also the hilarious thing of Kamal is running on nothing, Trump is running on tariffs, tariffs, and deportation. Okay, but let me ask a different question. Mass deportation. But who do you think he's going to win?

Who, I have many, I have no idea. By the way, that's my answer too, essentially. That they've got, though. Would you have rather seen some competition to allow the cream to rise? Would you have rather seen Trump accept a debate with any of the other people, with DeSantis or any of the other Republican candidates who are running? I love debate. Wait, wait, wait, wait, where were the Republicans calling for...

Did you call for Donald Trump to accept debates? Yes. Oh, okay, well, because I didn't hear the Republican Party call for him much. But the truth is, he ran away with the nomination so fast and so aggressively. It was all over. It's also like I wanted to see... Just for the entertainment value, I wanted to see Trump in those debates. Trump...

I actually would have enjoyed watching him meet up Ron to Shand. The irony is, the irony is, Kamala Harris actually beat him in their one debate. No question. But I think she's going to lose the election. And when she does, it will be because... of cost of living and immigration. But look, I've got to leave it there. It's been a fantastically entertaining panel.

In England, what we would do after such a lively exchange, we'd all go and find the nearest pub and have a few pints and put our differences aside. I'm not expecting you to do that. But I do appreciate you all coming on uncensored. Thank you very much indeed. Thank you.