Piers Morgan Uncensored - “UTTER Lack of Humanity!” Charlize Theron & Lily Allen’s ‘Toxic’ Feminism | With Jedediah Bila

Episode Date: July 8, 2025

In the latest episode of ‘Call Her Daddy’ Charlize Theron revels in being a single mom and brags about having sex with a 26-year-old. The episode has been viewed by nearly a million people so far, with reaction divided between those who celebrate Charlize as a strong woman fighting against the patriarchy - and others who see it as yet another example of modern feminist media denigrating the role of men. Meanwhile, over in the UK, Lily Allen and Miquita Oliver have made headlines after casually discussing having five abortions each in their ‘Miss Me?’ podcast. Here to debate what these stories mean for gender roles in modern society is ‘The Crucible’ host Andrew Wilson, host of ‘The Jedediah Bila Show’ Jedediah Bila, publisher of UserMag newsletter Taylor Lorenz and author of ‘The Case For Cancel Culture’ Ernest Owens. Piers Morgan Uncensored is proudly independent and supported by: Tax Network USA: Call 1-800-958-1000 or visit https://TNUSA.com/PIERS to meet with a strategist today for FREE Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Do you understand that I can take things that are happening socially, point to the worst of them, even if I don't agree with them, to use that as an example of why it's bad? Why think bad? These lips talk out of both sides of their mouth. Aren't you just basically admitting that you're a Hollywood prostitute at that point? Well, gee, who could have predicted this? Who could have predicted that women who are in positions of power may act overly emotional just based on, well, even the hormones in their body? You're like a little petulant shy. Yes or no.

The latest episode of Call Her Daddy features a lengthy interview with Oscar-winning actress Charlize Theron entitled I Don't Need a Man. And in it, Ms. Theron explains how she reacts to people criticizing her for being a single mom. I like want to just like, look at them and just be like, do you know how fucking great it is to live exactly how I want to live? To experience motherhood exactly how I wanted to experience it. And I know the next thing they say is like, well, that's not fair on your kids. Can I tell you something?

That will be their story to tell. I can't tell you. I can only tell you that this is the best way that I know how to be a mother to them. And maybe they'll grow up and tell their story. And I will respect that. Well, she also wanted audiences to know how liberating it is for her children not to have a father.

I love that I don't have to run every fucking thing by a guy. I love that I don't have to, well, oh my God, copay. I like, I fucking love that I don't have to do. do any of that stuff. And my children, you know, we joke, listen, I think you can tell, like, this is how I raise my kids. Like, right? We don't hide this shit. But don't worry. Well, Sholley's doesn't think husband or father is important in life. She hasn't given up on men altogether. I found this freedom in my 40s where I'm like, oh my God, so I just want to say this

in perspective. I've probably had three one-night stance in my entire life. But I did just recently fuck a 26 year old and it was really fucking amazing. Fuck yes. Yes. And I've never done that. And I was like, oh, this is great. Okay. Let me just say that 26 year old is the luckiest fucking man walking on this goddamn planet. He's walking different today knowing. Oh, my God.

He for sure is not. But thank you. No, he is. Well, the episode's been viewed by nearly a million people so far. Reaction has been divided between those who celebrate Charlize as, quote, a powerful badass, epitome of a strong woman fighting against the evil patriarchy and others who in equally strident language view the whole episode is yet another example

of modern feminist media denigrating the role of men at every given opportunity. All of which makes it a good starting point for a lively debate. Well, joining me for this Battle of the Sexes, host of the Crucible podcast, Andrew Wilson, who I could imagine was visibly shuddering

as he listened to those clips. Jedediah Biler, who's the host of the Jedediah Bailer show, commentator and author of the case for Council Culture, Ernest Owens, the editor of the Usen Mag Newsletter, Taylor Lorenz. Well, welcome to all of you. And Jeddah, welcome to you especially, because you're making your uncensored debut.

We always like debutants. Thank you very much, Pierce. Always astonished when people come back for more. But thank God they do. And thank God Andrew Wilson does. Andrew, your thoughts on Charlie Theron. She doesn't need a man. She likes banging 26-year-olds when she feels like it.

You don't need fathers in life. You just need a strong, badass woman. Well, you know, it's really funny. The reason nobody cares really very much when a 40-year-old, attractive woman has sex with some random young man is because it's not impressive. It's impressive when men can bang young women because most men can't bang young women,

but most older women can bang young men. So it's just not an impressive accomplishment. Of course, these are the same women who will screech because, you know, Leonardo DiCaprio decides that he wants to change up, you know, at 25 years old, any of the broads he has hanging around. But this is not an impressive accomplishment. All the woman needs to do to get laid is go somewhere where there's men and offer it up. It's not the case for men. So it's an unimpressive accomplishment on its face.

As to the rest of what she's saying, this is just normal tripe, right? Her kids are the ones who are going to get punished. They're always the ones who get punished. We can look at the data for outcomes on children who are raised in single mother homes. It's not good. It's not good for their mental health. It's not. And by the way, the rates of abuse from having strange men around skyrocket. Terrible idea. And it's exactly the wrong kind of propaganda to be pushing. All right. Taylor Lorenz, isn't it just a factual reality of life that women are predominantly happier with a man by their side and children are predominantly better off in life with a present father?

I think, listen, children are better off in life when they have a loving household. And not all of those households have fathers. I mean, there are lesbian parents. There are, you know, different types of arrangements. I think it's important for kids to have different figures in their life who they can look up to. And, you know, I think it's really important to expose kids to all different types of figures. But that doesn't have to be, you know, that doesn't have to be like a man, a cisgender man that's standing around all the time. There's plenty of terrible fathers out. there too. So yeah, I think it's great that the child is growing up in a loving household. And hopefully, you know, she'll expose the child to lots of different types of... Yeah, but can you acknowledge that we have now been studying this phenomenon of single motherhood for years and years and years and that the outcomes for children of single mothers tend to be terrible in comparison to the outcomes of children without them? Can you just acknowledge that that is true? So I think what you're talking about are studies... I'm asking a question. Don't run from the question. Yes or no. Can you? I want to acknowledge.

with a yes or no, then a qualifier. Yes or no, isn't it true that outcomes for children when they're raised by single mothers tend to be worse than those with a mother and a father in the house? Yes or no, then give me your answer. So I'd love to respond if you stop talking over me. Anyway, most single mothers are not Charlize. They're on with millions and millions and millions of dollars. So when you look at studies like that, a lot of it has to do with the economic opportunities

that a lot of single mothers have, you know, women make less. than men as a whole. They're subject to more sexism and discrimination. So it can often be more challenging for them to raise child alone. So the answer is yes? No, the answer is, is Charlie there. It sounds like you just said that the answer is yes. The answer, according to you just now is yes.

No, any single parent. And then you just make excuses for it. You're like, yes. Taylor, this is not. This is not right now. This is so weird. You're like shouting at me. Teller, do you know what it is?

Yeah. Hang on, time out. Time out. Let's bring in Jedediah. Taylor, this is not rocket science. First of all, you lost me at cis male. You just meet a guy, just a man, right? We don't need all these terms, these nonsensical, ridiculous terms that, you know, modern leftists have come up with. It's just a man. Children do better when there is a mom and there is a dad. And the reason is that men and women are completely different. They bring very different things to the table. And children need the role model of a mom and a dad, not just people around. you can have aunts, you can have uncles, you can have friends. But we're talking about the two individuals that are raising a children. And let me just ask you this question. Wait, I'm not done yet. You complained that Andrew interrupted you and now you just interrupted me. I'm not done yet.

Charlis, you're right. She is rich. She has a ton of money. But what example do you think she's sending to young women everywhere that this is somehow empowering, that you should strive, by the way. You should strive to be the single mom because you don't have to deal with a guy. You don't have to answer to a man. Oh, isn't that so wonderful?

And guess we'll pay the price? My kids, she even says, my kids can tell their story. How unbelievably selfish of her to say, my children will one day to get to tell a story that they had no father because I decided that I just wanted to do this myself, me, myself and my money. Is that the message? I wanted to go home 26-year-olds. They shouldn't be able to raise children. You need a man. What about women that raised children?

We're not talking about Taylor, no one said what should. about single arms. Tell me why I find strange. What I find strange is I know Charlie's a bit when she was dating Sean Penn. And I thought she was very nice, but she was always very elegant. If you interviewed her,

her whole thing was high-end, elegant, you know, all the highest end advertising and so on. And then you see her there in this podcast if she's like effing and blinding, talking about banging 26-year-olds. Very, very different, earnest, to the Charlie Theron, I thought I knew. I'm not saying it's good, bad or whatever,

but I do wonder if it was a male movie star sitting on a sofa, brazenly boasting about banging 26-year-olds, how old is Charlene? Charlize? 50. If a 50-year-old male star was talking, boasting about banging 26-year-old girls,

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I mean, for starters, I'm all for if it's about consent and respect. They do it all the time. A lot of older men do it all the time on media, on social media, interviews. It's not an actually uncommon thing. I think the reason why there's a lot of actual shock and awe over Charlize they're on, because a lot of women actually, her age, don't feel the liberty to do that on a public-facing platform. And so that's why we're talking about her.

We don't talk about men who do it often on here because it's so norm. I mean, if you look at who's in politics currently right now, they were just doing it their entire career before they got to the White House. So it's not that much of a shock. You know, there's a guy who got elected president. And you screamed bloody murder about it. And got elected. And so.

And he screamed bloody murder about it. What are you talking about? You liberals said that that was the most horrible thing. He was a terrible role model. How could he? And here's Charlie Starrant. is saying this and you're like, she's your power boss, babe, Andrew.

Come on. See, if I talk over there, Pierce, you need to tell me to be quiet and- We're done talking, dude. You were all done talking. Come on. No, I wasn't done talking, actually.

Can I actually know? You can't notice you. Okay, thanks. So what I was getting at is that there is a double standard. And I think honestly, like I said before, I don't know what liberal he talked about, but I was not liberal that said that Trump talking about grab a body of pussy was the worst thing you ever said

because there's a lot of other things he have said that I believe is far worse and actually should cause more attention. But that being said, I just feel like the only reason I were talking about is because women like Charlize Starrant often don't do this on the normal. So it feels abnormal and that's why we're discussing it. Okay. Why are these lips talk out of both sides of their mouth? I mean, look at it. She refused to acknowledge the outcomes for single mom. I'm not a limb.

Let's be clear. Let's be clear. Immediately. No, no, no, no, no. Immediately. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Look, I'm sorry, if you have progressive talking points, if it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck, I call it a duck.

So the thing is, right, the lips on the panel very clearly, right? She evades the answer, refuses to give us the answer of if outcomes for single, for children, single moms are worse, refuses, gives us a bunch of qualifiers proving that they are, still refuses to do it. He says, well, this is so commonplace for men, look at the sexual deviant that we have in the White House and says, But I'm not throwing a fit about that. I'm not throwing a fit about that, though.

Yeah, you take a throw a fit about it. Ineffective discussion. The scan is just sitting over everyone. Like, he's very emotional right now. I would like you, you know, I would just like you to actually answer the questions I ask you. Why can't you people have to do that? I have a question for Ernest. I guess.

Hold on a second. Guys, Ernest, you said there was a double standard. What are you, in your view, where is the double standard? Because I see a double standard here. But I think we see a different double standard. Cool. So what I was saying was the double standard of reaction, right? There is a lot of reaction because of what Charlie Sterron said.

I'm saying that I understand where that is coming from because we don't often see women like Charlie Sterron on these platforms talking about their sexuality in this way at their age. Ernest, that's not true. But here's the difference. Every time a man, every time, hold on a second, every time a man says a guy can't even say that he prefers younger women. He can't even say, well, you know what, I prefer younger women because of their fertility is better, because they're in their peak attractiveness, because I want to have a bunch of kids and it gives me more time without getting it completely thrashed. Let's be clear. Let's be clear. Hang on. Hang on. Let's be clear. If Brad Pitt came out with an interview tomorrow on Uncensored, and I hope he does. If you're watching Brad, my show is always available to you. But if he was, and he said, do you know what? Just only last week, I had the most unbelievable sex with a hot 26-year-old. Do you think the reaction,

Ernest, would have been widespread applause for this guy, or would it have been, you dirty old man? No, no. I'm not saying that I feel that about Charlottie Theron. I'm just saying that's the double standard, right? Leo DiCaprio gets mocked to every award show because he dates women half his age. Now he's Charlize Charlize Theron.

Everyone's like, oh, this is amazing. I can give you an example where that backerone. fire. So let me be very clear. So let me give you a good example of this, actually. First of all, is if it's a pattern, right? Charlize Sterner is not doing this on the regular. That's why this is a big news story. She's been mostly in long-term relationship. She does not have a habit of doing this. Leonardo DiCaprio's entire romantic, a lot of his romantic history has been this pattern, which has become a running joke. The first couple years he did it, no one cared. But it's been decades, like over like 10 years. That's not why it's a new story with respect.

opinion. First of all, both of those things have been covered in the news. But the reason, what Pierce is getting at, I think, I don't want to put words in his mouth. This is being celebrated. Do you understand the difference? Modern feminism has made it so that we now celebrate that Charlese there. And by the way, I don't give a lick, honestly. It's consensual. I don't care if she sleeps with a 26-year-old. And by the way, there are a lot of 26-year-old men who will be absolutely thrilled that she's on the Kuga market. I mean, I will be. And I don't care on her. We can agree there. But I'm smart enough to acknowledge that she is being celebrated for that action, whereas a Leonardo DiCaprio or the average guy for that matter just saying,

hey, I prefer a 22-year-old to a 32-year-old will get destroyed in every possible. You know what? I actually have no problem with what she said about a 26-year-old. That's entirely down to her. She's a single woman. She can have sex with her who she likes if it's consenting an adult. I do, though, have a problem with an Andrew was, I think, right about this. In a way, what she's saying is all your quaint ideas about.

you need a bloke around, you need a father, you need a husband. That's all bullshit. Look at me. I'm proof. It's all great. I don't believe women when they say that. I don't believe men when they say the same thing. I just think that actually the ideal is that you have a man and woman around kids and they bring them up together.

And if that is impossible and it doesn't work out, okay, you make it work. But to actually try and pretend this is actually utopia and this is the best possible thing for your kids, don't think that's true. And I say that as a divorcee myself. I don't think this is ever actually the ideal, but you make it work as best you can. I want to switch gears to something which really did annoy me. Lily Allen, the pop star, former pop star, let's be accurate. Talking about abortion. Abortions, I've had a few, but then again, I can't remember exactly how many. Not really? Yeah. Why don't this come up in a lot? last week's episode we were just talking about abortions.

Because I was just letting you run with it. Reveal everything. I can't remember, yeah. I think maybe like, I want to say five, four or five. Yeah, I've had about five too. Lily, I've never, I'm so happy I can say that and you can say it and no one came to shoot us down. No judgment. No judgment.

We've had about the same amount of abortions. You know what, Taylor, I'm not going to judge them in the way they think I'm going to judge them. I'm not going to judge them for having abortions. believe in a woman's right to choose what she does with her body. I am. I know, and we'll come to Andrew's position on that. I think we know what it is, and I'll get your view. But the point is, Taylor, I'm not against abortion.

I am against women that talk about it so glibly. I am against two women sitting there, just brazenly talking in a very kind of slightly boastful way. We've had 10 abortions between us, and Lillian can't even remember how many abortions she's had. I don't like that aspect to what was going on there. I think it's distasteful. I think it trivializes abortion. Abortion, you know, whether you agree with it or not,

you should always treat it, I think, as a serious thing, which should be taken seriously and dealt with seriously. That, to me, was trivializing it. Your thoughts? Yeah, I think that, you know, I hear you, Pierce, and I take your point. I think that most women have a struggle with access to abortion, especially now here in America. And I think that normalizing the idea of having abortion

is overwhelmingly a good thing. We should normalize the idea of having five abortions. With two women, they're basically making out, oh, thank God, we can talk about this now. This is normal. That's not normal. That's five abortions. It should be normal to have easy access to abortion.

It should be. I don't dispute that. But that's a political matter. That's a social matter for the women. But it's the way you talk about it, I think, is actually a very, For example, in America, where it's a really hot potato issue, I can imagine everyone. I'll come to Andrew, what I think will be his response.

I could imagine it. He'll be very angry because he doesn't agree with abortion to start with to then see women, high-profile women like this, famous women, just talking about it in such a glib manner. Because they want to restrict women's rights, and they want to restrict women's access to health care. This is essential abortion is essential health care. It's what you're saying, but it is health care, yes. And it's really important. It's not ridiculous. It saves women's lives in many cases to have an abortion.

And it's really hard for women to get access to them. And they feel a lot of shame around it because of the social stigma. Does it sound to you like those women feel a lot of shame around abortion? Is that what it sounds like? The point is that many women are taught and it sounds like you guys on this very panel want women to feel shame about it. And in fact, they should not. I mean, should you be proud of it is the point. I mean, let me bring.

Let me bring Andrew in here. I mean, Andrew, I know your position on abortion, but notwithstanding that, it doesn't really concern me really whether people are for or against it. It's the way they're talking about it, I find. So let's leave the argument about whether they... Yeah, I understand. Yeah.

But it's totally self-centered and selfish. And look, she says, I'm not a lib. Women need to have more abortions. The thing is so... I have more access to abortions. The lives are her teeth. It's a health care procedure. Most women's lives, when they have abortions,

has nothing to do with the life of their... them at all, their physical health at all, totalized from the left. On top of that, let's just point out that what they're really doing there is they're sitting there going, I just like, how do they murder five of my kids? The other one's like, yeah, me too. Isn't that great, sweetheart? The other one's like, yeah, totally. That's so awesome that we can just kill our children.

Isn't that great? And so we normal people, we, we normal people here. So we, so anyway, we normal people hear this, you know, like regular Joe's. And of course, we're disgusted by it. The fact of the matter is, is it just shows a complete and total lack of caring for humanity, lack of caring for children. That's supposed to be the more empathetic sex. And yet, when they have power over vulnerable life, they kill it.

Really? You're going to convince me that's the more empathetic, more vulnerable sex. I just have one little. Yeah. Yeah, I think for me, it's just two things, right? I think that we can, some people feel like the way in which she went about discussing was tasteless. I think that for people listening to it. I did.

I think that there's a better, in my personal taste, right? I think there could have been a better way she could have said it. But that's just my personal preference. And I think that's just how she is with a lot of things. Lily Allen, I don't agree with a lot of things that Lee Allen says or how she says it person. And I think that's the real thing here. However, what I think is important is that everybody's getting abortions. This whole lives, far left, far right?

I really get annoyed with that because it's almost as if you're acting like only one, like everybody makes decisions based on their political ideologies, and that's just so immature. and this obsession. We can look at the reproductive. We can look at the reproductive stats and we know we know which political parties advocating for abortion and which one isn't. We know which political parties advocating for, which one's not. I don't come with that. Like I'm just saying it's not a, for me, this is not a lips thing or whatever.

It's really just a matter of taste. And that's what I want to be clear. How could it not be a little? Completely put it in charge. Let Jedediah, say. How could it not be if liberals are the ones, I mean, just be honest, liberals are the ones that are promoting a pro-abortion culture. Liberals are the ones that are saying this should be celebrated. The word here, Ernest, Ernest, hold on a second.

The word here to be used is these women are celebrating abortions. And you see young women all over TikTok, by the way, and all over social media who are echoing these voices now. So an abortion is something, whether you believe it should be, it was supposed to be safe, legal, and rare. That was the idea when people were advocating back in the day. Pro-abortion advocates were saying safely learned. Does this sound rare to you? Oh, every time I have sex, I just run and get an abortion like I went to the dentist. This is a disease of the mind.

Access to health care shouldn't be rare. Access to health care. No one's talking about access. No one. You have access to a whole bunch of things in society. That doesn't mean you utilize them. These are women that are going in. Like guns.

Like guns, right? When you stigmatize abortion, when you stigmatize abortion, when you stigmatize abortion, it leads to less abortion access. Murder? When you stigmatize murder, it leads to less murder? Yeah, but actually, Taylor, Taylor, that argument works the other way because if you trivialize it and you look like you're slightly gleeful

and you're very proud of having had five abortions, as both of them appeared to come over, and that's just the way we can judge them from that clip. They said, don't be judgmental. Well, actually, you can be when people are apparently trivializing it in the way they were. But I think my point is that the reason Andrew is so exercised It's not just because he's anti-abortion, but here's exactly what he's been saying for a long time,

which is a lot of women treat it like it's just another thing, when actually it's more serious. And I agree with that. Even though I support women's rights to have an abortion, no one should be like proud or gleeful or joyful or celebratory about it. It should, I think the tone you used to talk about it should be serious. Can you understand how that stigmatizing sort of framework would be used to restrict access to abortion,

say, well, you're not, you know, pious enough. You haven't repented enough. You're not sorry enough. So you don't deserve access. That is what is used to strip women's women. Teller, it should be stigmatizing. It should be stigmatizing for women to talk about abortion like that. This is sick.

This is your empowered women now out there saying, oh, I don't know. I had four abortions, five abortions, six abortions. Like you went for a root canal. You go, girl. I mean, listen, this is not the face of an empowered woman. This is pathetic. It's sad. And this is the problem.

product, sorry to say, this is the product of modern feminism and what it has done to women, that now they weaponize their ability to kill, because that's my view. So I'm going to say, they weaponize their ability to kill. And they expect society to put a big stamp of approval on it. And people like you do, I'm not doing it. I'm not condoning it. I'm not doing it. I'm calling it out. And if they feel stigmatized by their behavior, then so be it. Maybe that has more to do with their behavior, their crappy behavior, their sick, twisted behavior than it does by what I'm saying about it. Okay, hold on. Wait, wait, I just want to say this real quick. Let's be real honest here. Even if you didn't, if you personally do not support abortion, you really think that it's a murder, there would be no way, quite frankly, that you want anyone to discuss it. So I think it's insolacially dishonest to act as though we're going to use this extreme of Lily Allen, which I do agree, right? I personally think that the way that Lily Allen discussed it was not the best way. But to be honest, for those who do not support abortion, which I do support a woman's right to choose, there would have never been a way for you to approve it.

So you're using the most extreme example as a way to now double down and justify every other belief that you have on this. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. We talk about murder openly all the time. What are you talking about? So why are we talking about Lily Allen? Yeah, so what? We talk about things.

We don't support all the time. What are you talking about? So here's what Chris Morgan and I are understanding. So let's make this make common sense. Pierce and I both, I assume, support a woman's right to choose. I don't know, but I think we do. We both do not agree about the taste of how Lily Allen did it. However, I think for some of you are on this, on this episode,

you're not going to ever agree with this. So stop acting like Lily Allen is an example of all women who discuss having abortions because it's not true. You just want to use as an example to dismiss the case of abortions, period. Oh, that's a reality. I see, I see, hang on, let me respond, let me respond. I see, what a genius, what a genius argument. Yes, Andrew, you think that all murder and murderers are bad, so you're going to point at serial killers and say, see how bad that is?

Great argument, genius. What a wonderful argument. What's the point of the argument. So clearly it's pretty good because you have zero response. That was the argument. Do you understand that I can take things that are happening socially, point to the worst of them, even if I don't agree with them, to use that as an example of why it's bad? Why think bad? Think bad.

Because look, you can see that why think bad? Do not, why do you not get this? You're crashing out right now. You're crashing out right now. This is an extreme example. I never like abortion. This isn't it. Whether you like abortion, whether you support abortion or not, we're not making up this extreme example.

This extreme example exists. And we're commenting on it because there were women all over the country, by the way, that will say things like, my body, my body. choice who cares oh yeah and you know what it's escalating down to other things like plan B people pop in plan B is like candy now this stuff is not being taken seriously and the bottom line is whether you support abortion or not this is a serious matter and the fact that we have women out there talking about it like a trip to the dentist that is a problem that we need to acknowledge i'm gonna say i got to say i have to say i agree with that i don't think that the way they spoke about it did the many credit at all and i think

it actually, if I was somebody who was against abortion, that would have really enraged me to see people who have access to free and fair abortions because they're in a country where it's fine. But they talk about it in such a glib manner. I don't like it. Let's just change gears to something else, which is, just something is a bit odd. So I think Taylor said earlier that, you know, women about Charlie Soron, women don't get paid as much as men. In fact, it's just been revealed by the Hollywood Reporter, the Hollywood Bible, that the biggest grossing movie star ever is Scarlett Johansson, which I'm told, staggering though, that may seem,

and I'm a bit surprised myself, because I've appeared in 10 movies as myself, and those movies have grossed $2.4 billion. So I'm a little surprised I'm not in the mix myself. However, she's bigger than Tom Cruise, bigger than Stallone, bigger than Shorts, bigger than all of them. And the reason apparently is the event, She's been in the whole Avengers stuff, which obviously and Jurassic Park and other huge grossing films.

But she's moaning as obviously, you know, when you get an accolade like this, the first thing to do is to complain about it. She's often been cast for sexist reasons. So Andrew, I'll come to you on this. When promoting, I think Jurassic Park, your Jurassic Park Rebirth movie came out this weekend. So when I was younger, a lot of the roles I was offered or I went for had their ambitions or character arcs revolving around their own desirability or the male gaze or a male-centered story. That's less frequent, though. Something has shifted.

I mean, this idea that we might go to the movies to look at beautiful people, males may gaze at beautiful women. Is this the most shocking bombshell of the week, Andrew? It's not just that. Like, how stupid to admit that out loud, basically, aren't you just admitting that you were skank for money? Like, if it was really a big deal, you're like, oh, okay. the male gays, they're sexualizing me. It's off.

Why would you take the role then? Just don't take the roll. But apparently, if it pays good enough, she must not mind too much about that whole male gays thing, huh? Because when it came time for her to collect those millions of dollars based on the male gays, she definitely took the role. So I would like her to give an explanation for that, male gays bad, but I like to contribute to it as much as possible for money.

Aren't you just basically admitting that you're a Hollywood prostitute at that point? Like if it's a conflict with your values, aren't you selling out for money, literally? Well, Taylor, your eyebrows just nearly exploded. So, Tilly, you don't agree with that. I think it's just shocking the disgusting, misogynistic way that Andrew can't help but talk about women. I mean, I would say also, by the way, women? No, women generally seem to have. No, no, I'm sorry.

It's not a monolith. If I can critique a woman, that's not critiquing all women. You see how that works right now? The whole show. No, no. These lives. These lives are not all lives. Oh, my God.

It's so crazy. Oh, yes. You're a live, lady. Everyone that doesn't like you don't like is a liberal. You just so happen to be liberal on every social policy, but you're not a liberal. Liberals are hardly where I'm at on social issues. Anyway, my point is is that Charlie's, sorry, Scarlett Johansson, peers, I don't know that I would classify that quote as moaning, which she seems to be talking about is just how her roles have

changed over time. I would know that overwhelmingly women are paid less than men, even the highest actress might be paid that might be paid as a woman. But I think that she's what's saying is it's not a myth that women are paid less. I'm sorry. Equal pay myth that we can, I mean, that's a whole separate conversation. I think in Hollywood now it's pretty well equal pay, isn't it? If you get the big roles, I don't think. I think in music, most of the biggest stars now currently women, are they? Beyonce, Taylor Swift? I mean, if you, I don't know, I can't think of many industries where women are not actually paid at least for more than men. Just because there are a few very high paid women in entertainment industries doesn't mean that high, that women across the board

make more than men. And when you look at other industries like finance or, you know, tech or some of that's because of, listen, Taylor, this is nonsense. That's because of choices that women make. That's because of the number of hours that they work. That's because women take maturity leave. That's because guys work more hours and work harder. There's a whole bunch of reasons we can get into that really time. We actually can adjust it for parity easily. Can I make a comment about Scarlet, though, here for a second? Because I think what's interesting here is that, listen, she chose.

She made all of her money being a sex symbol, right? She always had the boobs out. That's how she made her money. She made the decision to accept roles where, yes, she was, you know, part of the male gays. And that's how she made her fame. I find it really interesting, honestly, that she turns 40. She's older.

And now all of a sudden she decides, oh, I'm going to negate all that. Could it be that maybe she's, you know, the bail gaze isn't looking at her in the same way. She's not getting those rules anymore. And she's now realizing there's a younger woman on the block. There's a hotter woman on the block.

Okay, I'm not getting those rules. And by the way, to complete the conspiracy theory, is that why Charlie Sauron at the age of 50 has gone out doing podcasts talking about banging 26. year old guys. Could that be why? Is it to make Hollywood think I'm still hot and desirable? I'm, I've still got it. I've still got it. I've still got the young male gays. Of course, because there is an insecurity. Women don't like to talk about this, but there is an insecurity

that arises in women, particularly in a beauty-driven industry. Hollywood is all about looks. It's all about the female gays, the male gays. You see. It's misogyny that puts that pressure on women. That's that hatred of women. Taylor, do you know what misogyny means? It means hatred of women. It is not hatred of women to talk about the reality that women, I'm a woman. I'm not a misogynist. Women get more insecure as they age about their looks when they're in a beauty-driven industry. That's why Botox exists. That's why Filler exists. Well, let me go, let me go to the expert on the panel when it comes to male gazes at beautiful women. Ernest, your thoughts on this? No, I mean, to be honest, I think that two things can be true at the same time. You know,

people have the right to evolve and also see things reflectively. What you do in your young age, I mean, heaven forbid, I mean, you all claim that you all don't support council culture. But, you know, a lot of you all would make the case that maybe she did at one point in time when she was younger may have thought that's what she need to do

and that's how she got her career. But maybe years later, she can get older and reflect and say, hey, some of this stuff I did back then. And by the way, Ernest, it's the same. It's the same with men, right? I mean, it's the same with male movie stars. when they cross the point where the female gaze moves from them to a younger, hotter model. It's exactly the same the other way around.

You look at it all the time. Look at the hot movie male stars of 20 years ago. They're not there anymore. Right, but the difference is, though, with those roles, that's actually not true all the way. A lot of these older men do get the evolved and date younger women. Well, we don't see that much in how many. I mean female moviegoers going to see male movie stars, the reason they go moves from the female gaze at a hot, young movie star to something different when they get older, right?

So in other words, it works the same way. They can get arranged. What I think that happened with Charlene, Scarlett, I mean, Scarlett Johansson, Lottie's actresses is that what you'll see with men is that they can do both. They can do the Oscar-winning Leonardo Caprio films, and they can also do the sex symbol films. They can also do it simultaneously and still get the awards.

Versus what we see with women in Hollywood, it seems to be a double standard, where prestige films that they can be in and start in, oftentimes they don't get the chance to be the ingenue or play into the sex role. But if they do go that way, they can't have both ways. So Denzel could be both. But Scarlett Johansson couldn't do both most of that.

Okay. But why would you complain then? Why would you complain in say, oh, the male gauge is so terrible and then take the role as a woman? Why would you take the role if the male gage is such a problem? She should just own it. Hang on, hang on, hang on. Hang on. I just, hang on, hang on. Let me, let me answer the question.

Why is it that if you really saw this as a problem from a feminist view, the male gays, as a female actress who's aspiring, why would you take the role? Aren't you just selling out for money, dude? I mean, I'm not the one, I'm not the woman, so I'm not the one taking the role, but I'm saying something like I'm saying before. See how they don't answer any questions. It just refused to you. I'm answering your question. What I'm saying is that you, at the end of the day, it's none of these things, like even the way that people vote for certain elected officials,

it's never one size of at all. She has survival. She wanted to get her career. She wanted to do certain things. Does she have regrets? I don't know. But what I will say is that there's a lot of factors that people do when they make their decisions, right?

There are certain people where you don't agree with everything on all aspects, but you do some. And I think at a certain point, that is what happens. I hear what you're saying. It just seems a little convenient, though. It just seems a little convenient to make all of your money, all of your money off of being a sex symbol and an overt sex symbol. I mean, you'd half naked, this, that you make all your money that way.

You should own it. You should cut. She should be coming out and saying, listen, I totally agree. I think that the women I admire in the entertainment world are the ones who are smart, but are unafraid to say, I use my sex appeal and it makes me tons of money as well as my smarts, as well as my talent. It's a whole package. Same with the guys.

If you're a hot movie star who's got talent, you're going to make more money than an ugly one. It's as simple as that. It's not fair. Life isn't fair. Hollywood's not fair. I want to end. This is a bizarre moment last week in the House of Commons here in the United Kingdom. So just for background, we have a woman called Rachel Rees, who is the first female chancellor of the extrecker.

So the second most powerful person in the British government, the treasure. if you like, of the United Kingdom. And she did the one thing which I guess most women who had voted for her would have wished she hadn't done, which is that the weekly Prime Minister's questions with Sekeh Starma, the Prime Minister, she was openly crying in the background. Now this followed a very bad week for the government,

a very bad week for her, one of the signature policies that had to perform a big U-turn on. She apparently been seen having a blazing row with some colleagues and with the Speaker of the House, she then came out the next day, grinning like a Cheshire cat, a little too much for my credible belief, and said that there was a personal issue going on,

the details of which have not emerged, and I suspect they won't. Andrew, the problem I have with this is that I think a lot of women will have felt let down, that you finally get a female chance of the exchequer, and within a few months she's crying in the most high-profile televised. moment of each week in the House of Commons.

And it looks like it's just because she had a bad week. Well, gee, who could have predicted this? Who could have predicted that women who are in positions of power may act overly emotional just based on, well, even the hormones in their body? I am so stunned. I'm shocked. I can't believe that women everywhere are stunned and shocked that women, when they become very emotional, begin crying.

No shock to me, of course. No shock to anybody else on. Let me ask, Jeddah die. Inside of your leadership, Jeddah, as a woman, as a woman, are you comfortable with what you're hearing from Angela? I actually am comfortable with it,

to be completely honest, because the truth is that men and women are different, and we are emotional, and I kind of wear the fact that I have an emotional cycle that goes like this throughout the month, like we all do, like a badge of honor, because it's what makes me a woman. You can't, the thing is,

you can't be in a leadership position and act like that. As an example, do you all remember John Boehner? John Boehner was a disaster. He was, he was always crying. So this is not exclusive to women. Let's just say that this can happen. I totally agree.

If it had been, I mean, I think if it had been a man, a male chance of his checking crying, he'd have got whacked even more. Well, that's the difference. Because if you remember John Beardt got ran out for a scream. I mean, come on. People were making fun of him all the time. He was the laughing stock. The difference is here.

A lot of people jump and make excuses. Well, she had a bad day. Honestly, I don't care that you had a bad day. You're in a leadership position. I mean, the bond market had a sell off because this one. woman was crying. These have real ramifications. So I think what Andrew's getting at is, listen, men, women

are different. And it does beg the question, if we are naturally more emotional, and we are, by nature, we are. No, they're not. Listen, you are. We are. All right, Taylor, I have a question for you, Taylor. If Donald Trump's

bottom lip began to tremble and he started crying on national on national TV, you know, when he's addressing the Congress or something, I mean, come on, you'd absolutely murder him. He's having tentum chantrums every week. He's having emotional.

He doesn't cry. He isn't crying. He's not crying. Have you ever seen Donald Trump cry in public? Okay. I'm not talking about crying. Listen, here's the thing. Andrew does not like women having any type of emotion.

Outside of nodding their head, shaking their head. What are you talking about? What are you talking about? He didn't actually say that. He said women, honest, Ernest, hang on, hang on. He didn't, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, you're missing, hang on, stop talking, honest.

I'm acting like Andrew right now. You missed, honest. I'm talking from a moment. All Andrew said was women are more emotional. He wasn't surprised, right? He wasn't sort of damning women for being emotionally. He just said they are more emotional. Do you dispute that?

Yeah, well, and she actually said, she actually said, no, they're not. How would you ever even dispute this? It's, it's objectively true that the, the, the, hormone functions that are inside of women are different than the ones that are inside of men. That is objectively true in general. Can you point to some women who are more, hang on, can you point to an outlier of some women? Hey on, I'm almost done. I'm almost done.

Calm down, calm down. Can you point to some women? Can you point to some women and say that they're more emotionally stable? Sure. But on average, women have far more emotional regularity than men do. In fact, they have one time of them. Taylor, are you, Taylor, would you say you're more emotional? than your male colleagues when you worked in with men oh gosh i've worked with some i've worked with

men that have cried in my arms and i it's so funny for andrew to say this as andrew is the one that is proud out andrew is the one that is losing his mind on this panel screaming and shouting and making fun and doing all these screamed and shouted at anybody what are you talking about do you think that like if you just assert lies that people who watch this are going to be able to see that clearly lies. Right now, shouting over me. Listen to this. This is crazy.

I'm absolutely no. That's not shouting. That's not shouting. Let me ask you this. I think those who's deerings are hurting your brain, lady. We can do this for a second woman to woman, Taylor, because I will say to you, Taylor, there is no, there is no. There is no question about it that when you look at Taylor, when you look at a man, his testosterone

is pretty steady. Whether you like it or not, his hormones are steady. That's what comprises a man. When you look at our hormones, they do this. naturally. That's why we have a cycle. That's why we have the beautiful gift of being able to make babies. That's what makes women women. So yes, there can be an outlier over here and there. John Boehner, I use the example of John Boehner, but it's very, very safe to say that in general, women are more emotional than men. And that does beg the question then if women are in leadership

roles where there are serious ramifications like a bond market sell off, if that woman is seen crying, is that a good look overall for the country? The answer is no. Now, we can say, didn't have a debate over whether women should be in positions of power or not, but we can't have a debate over whether women are more emotional because hormonally, that's just a fact. Taylor? Not, but her colleagues are crying in her arms though. They're crying in her arms. I mean, yeah, I had a colleague that cried after something horrific happened.

That's not what you said. You said that I've had been, you made it sound like men were coming to you and falling to pieces and they were more emotional. No, I said, I said, I had a male call cry in my arms. We witness, I've witnessed, I've witnessed somebody die in front of my face at my job. And do you think, though, that men are more emotional? Yeah, and I know. It's so ridiculous your strong man. Is it the case that you, when you work with other men, that you're generally more emotional

than them or not? That's the question. Listen to you. Crash out. I don't know why you won't answer. Why can't you answer the question, lady? Just answer it. Yeah, just yes or no.

You're crashing out. Oh, my God. You're crashing out. I don't know how to answer questions. Oh, my God. Just answer the question, lady. talking about how women are more emotional as you are literally. Are you more emotional than your male colleagues generally or not?

Can you answer yes or no? That would be great. Are you ever going to answer the question? I've answered it many, many times to say once again. Yes or no would be great. You cannot. Are you like a little petulant child? Yes or no.

Screaming and making these silly voices. I'm not screaming. I'm holding you to account. Me talking is not serious. Yes or no. Ignoreamus. Yes or no. I think it, look at the example right here on this panel.

The Andrew is absolutely. Still not answering the question, lady. Answer the question, lady. Answer the question, lady. See how you keep calling me lady? You won't call me by my name because you... Just answer the question. I don't remember your name?

Why am I supposed to remember your name? Answer the question. Anyway, my question. This is crazy. Women are not. women are not inherently. They're not inherently angry. Are you not hearing what she's saying? Are you not

hearing what she's saying? You want her. Speak the way you want to speak. But she answered your question. All right. Let me ask her a different question. Hang on, hang on. Taylor, Taylor, in relation to Rachel Reeves crying in the House of Commons, did she let the sisterhood down? Would it have been better for her to hold it in?

Ernest, you're not called Taylor. Holy. Look at that. They can answer questions. Yes. Oh, my God. Listen to this man just screeching. Anyway, I will say that I think.

Yeah, everyone talking is screeching. You are screeching. You're talking. You're screeching. Listen to this. This guy thinks he's like running the panel. Oh, my God. Clutch your pearls harder, lady.

Just answer the questions you're asked. It's so funny how you continue. Would you like me to mail you a pearl necklace so you can tug it when we're on the panel next time? Oh, I love it. I can't believe it. Oh, how I'm treated. It's so. terrible. Just answer the questions.

Let's make a meltdown. And then you won't have this problem. It's a meltdown now. Okay. Taylor, I'll answer my question, Taylor. Yes, absolutely. So I think that basically, generally, I'll take your point that any politician that shows emotion is often, or sadness, rather, like crying is often stigmatized for it. But women are significant.

I think it, to be clear, I think it depends on the circumstance, right? So if there was a terrible, if there was a terrible event, And a prime minister or a chancellor came out and got emotional talking about a terrible national tragedy. Of course. No one's going to ever think anything other than that's a human emotion. I think the feeling here was that things had just got on top of her. It'd been a bad week at work. She'd had a few rows before she came out and she just lost it in public.

And it was that that upset other women in particular. Wait, come on. You're the first female chancellor. Don't do this to us. Well, because, again, women are held to this really, really. intense standard. And so, yes, any sort of display of emotion like that is going to be weaponized against them by people like this, this man or whatever who's on the panel who can't stop shouting. But I will say that, you know, this idea that the male leader is not emotional here he is talking

over me right now. I mean, you can't help but talk about me every five seconds lady. Like what do you want you to say? You can't reference me and then say I'm not allowed to respond. You can't be like I want to reference something that you said. Taylor, to reference something that you... Hang on, I want to hear Taylor answer the question. Taylor. Thank you, to finish my point, I will say that men, this idea that male leaders aren't emotional, I think it's just completely wrong because I think they're emotional in different ways.

Society stigmatizes different forms of emotion in man. The way that a lot of men express their emotion as political leaders is anger. And what Ernest was talking about earlier of Donald Trump being erratic, irrational, emotional, he is extremely emotional. We have plenty of male leaders who are highly emotional. And they might not be crying, but I would say that they're very intense emotions do have significant political and economic consequences. So I think it's good to desegmatize emotion, but let's not like there's not sexism here. And let's also give you credit, Taylor.

You've probably had a harder time from Andrew Wilson in the last hour than Rachel Reeves got from her colleagues and you haven't cried. So I think that should be acknowledged. I'm here. I mean, give me another hour. Please. Just whine and wine and wine. You know, I think you'd say. So I just, the whole thing is like, you can see, even on this panel, holding women accountable is basically impossible.

They don't even answer questions. Like, we asked this lady, I don't know how many questions. And she answers every question except the one we ask her, just reframes the entire debate every time. You would have had a way less hard. It would have been way less hard for you. If you would have just actually answered anything we asked? Simply cannot. You'll note, by the way, you'll note how he speaks to me.

He doesn't give me the courtesy of speaking with my name. He's been mocking. You called me this man. What are you talking about? Yeah. What do you mean? Am I going, oh, my God, she called me this man. Oh, she's so disrespectful.

This disrespectful voice. It's really something to watch. And I think when we're talking about emotion, and we have a man on this very panel who can't help. but do these strange little voices and interrupt every two seconds and get mad that he's not. What I find interesting. Can I just say, Taylor, what I find interesting? Hold on a back. One second. What I find interesting about this panel is that Taylor, you chose, to be honest, you chose to talk about sexism and to say, well, women have, you know, an unfair advantage in this and they're stigmatized in that. And to go after Andrew when, in fact, I've been saying a lot of the same things that he's been saying, but you chose to make it about sexism.

You chose to make it because it's an easy target. Hold on a second. Because it's an easy target. But it's an easy target. It's an easy target to say the man on the panel. The bottom line is that women. Here's the male on the panel. Here's the bottom line.

Hey, ma'am, why don't you listen to Ermer? You want to be treated as an equal to a man? If you want to be treated as an equal to a man, then it can't always be sexism, this or misogy. Nobody's saying that all the ones on this particular sex, they're saying that this guy, Andrew will not It's a pro. Hold on.

I want to say this. De-stigmatize emotion except Andrews. But instead of crying sexism, just answer the questions, right? We can just as women. As women. If you listen,

it's not about gender, because there's three men on this panel. It's about approach. None of us have called Taylor out of panel. None of us are berating her. You see how he's disrespecting me? and I have even went there with it. But what I'm saying to you, Ernest,

listen, as a woman, I'm saying to you as a woman, instead of crying sexism, I'm not going to sit here and cry sexism or cry misogyny when somebody comes at me. I'm going to answer the question, and I'm going to come back with facts. So that's all I'm saying.

I'm relying yourself with Andrew. Hold on. So let me say this. I'm not lying at myself with anyone. I gave you my opinion. And that's why you will never say sexism because the men, the other men on this panel agree with you.

I don't agree with you a lot of points, but I'm respecting you. That's why you can't say sexism. The other two men, Pierce disagrees with Taylor, but Pierce is not disrespecting Taylor, and she's not calling him sexes. Listen, Andrew can defend himself. It's disrespectful to purposely office gate and avoid the questions you're being asked. That is not respect. That is a form of the greatest form of disrespect, not tone, dude.

Refusing to answer the questions you're asked, that's what's disrespectful. And doing all of these silly little voices, and refusing to call me by my name and just by basically throwing a little temper tantrum Why don't we try an end? Why don't we try an end on a happy note? I want Andrew and Taylor to end by saying something nice about each other to each other.

Andrew, you go first. Something nice about Taylor. He's alive. He's alive. He's alive. Andrew, something nice about Taylor. Well, I mean, it doesn't look like she's going bald. I think that that's good. Taylor, something nice. women in that age bracket. A lot of women in that age bracket go bald. I don't know what the deal is.

Maybe it's all a plastic. I can't say the same thing for Andrew's hairline, but I guess he has a nice. It's nicer than your hairline. Come on, Taylor, one compliment. Nicer than your hair line. Well, now here he is, oh, negating what he just said about my hair appears. I don't think Andrew is capable of saying something. So you can rise to a higher place, Taylor. Say something nice about him. I said I liked his shirt. I think he's got a nice shirt on and that is really something. We like flannel. On that happy note, we will leave it.

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