Piers Morgan Uncensored - "We're Gonna Take Each Other's Heads Off!" Canelo & Crawford vs Piers Morgan

Episode Date: June 21, 2025

Boxing legends Terence Crawford and Canelo Alvarez sit down with Piers Morgan in an exclusive interview ahead of their highly-anticipated fight in September. The pair discuss their chances of winning, surviving a drug scandal and a shooting , Jake Paul and more... The Canelo vs Crawford super fight, which will stream live on Netflix, takes place on September 13 in Las Vegas. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Two greats in the last era. It's going to be big. What does it do to your two legacies? Sometimes people talk shit a lot, and when they stay in the ring, they do nothing. You know, a win against Canelo Averraise put me, you know, on Mount Rushmore. I know I have two losses.

A fighter, never think about loose. He's significantly bigger than anyone you fought before, and he's one of the all-time greats. You're not going to feel apprehensive when you get in that ring against him? Fear? No. I will for you, and I'm not even you. That's cool.

Can you accept you better than you at anything or not? Not, because he ain't proven it yet. You want to find out September 13, that's why we are here to see who is the best. We're going to give the fans a show for sure because it don't take a big punch to knock somebody off. But there are people, as you know.

Yeah. They think they're a chug's cheap. What do you say to them? I don't really care. Everything is riding on this one moment. going to win. I'm glad you pointed to me first. Are you 100% certain you're going to win? 70. Really?

The two-thirds chance you'll win. Of course. Do you believe you're going to win? I believe 100% when I win. A hundred percent? 100%. Did you kill me with your bad? I could. Definitely. You could kill me with just... Easy. How are you? I'm 60. You're going to sleep.

Gentlemen, you're here. This is what everybody wants to see. This is the biggest fight in boxing for many, many years. Finally, Kenilo Crawford, how do you both feel right now? To start with you, Terrence. How do you feel sitting this close to this guy, knowing this is the fight the world wants to see? I feel great, you know, to be sitting next to another great, you know, and we're both preparing to go make history. So I feel, I feel great to be in this position right now.

How do you feel? I feel glad to share that ring with one of the best fighters out there in the last year, the last past year. So I always try to do that. In my career, I accomplish everything. I try to fight the best out there. And this is not a exception. So I'm glad to be in this kind of fights.

I mean, look, you're being very nice about each other, very polite, very friendly, very respectful. but in a few months' time you're going to be getting into a ring in Las Vegas and punching seven bells out of each other. Is it not a weird dynamic to be sitting here like this, like your best friends? When you know what kind of fire you are,

you know what kind of fire you're going to face, you don't need to talk shit about each other. You know, when I step in the ring and I'm pretty sure with the... he stepped in the ring, we're going to give it all there for the fans. I'm not that guy to like to talk to Shedd about the other or the opponents. We know we are good fighters. We know we are good fighters.

We know everything in the ring to put a good fight. And sometimes people talk Sheds a lot. And when they stay in the ring, they do nothing. So we don't, in my opinion, I don't need to talk shit about it. How do you feel? Well, me personally, I know it's a mutual respect between me and Connollo. He ain't never disrespect me.

So therefore, there was no need for me to disrespect him. Come fight time, we definitely going to try to take each other heads off. And the closer to fight go, we're both going to be eager to, you know, show who's the more dominant fighter, you know, and our intentions is going to be pure. but at the same time, it's not going to be friendly. You know, so I think you can be, you know, cordial and building a fight out. I mean, I'm impressed that you can do this. Professionals, we've been doing this.

No, I get it, I get it. But I also know there's a reality check because you're going to want to knock each other out. Yeah. Right. That's all up. Boxing is all about that. Yeah. So we know boxing is, you need to hear.

your opponent the most you can. So that's boxing all about. We know that. You know, like I say, we don't need to talk to out of the ring because not needed there. You both had similar upbringings in the sense you both experienced bullying when you were both very young. When do you remember that moment when the light switch came on

and you realized that these could do your business for it? When I far, when I probably was 15, like 14, 15, fighting in the national tournaments, that's when I really started getting serious in the sport of boxing and told myself I really can take this boxing career to the next level, you know, and start focusing on trying to be a world champion. I always, every since I was a little kid, I always said I was going to be a world champion. You know, so being a little kid playing multiple sports, you just get confused at times. You don't know which sport to pick.

But as I got older and I was so small, 4.11 in the ninth grade, I was like, well, too short to play basketball, too small to play football, got to go back to boxing. when I went back to boxing, that's when I dedicated my life and my time to the sported boxing. There were several things that happened to you before that. One was he got kicked out of five schools. Tell me about that. What was going on there? Well, I just always had that urge to fight when someone disrespect me. You know, I had a bad temper.

I was a high-headed kid, you know, so growing up, you know, People talk about you and they talk about your clothes, they talk about your shoes, they talk about, you know, how dark you is and things like that. And for me, you know, it was just like I didn't have the jokes. I didn't have the jokes to make everybody laugh, you know. So I just beat people up. And that's how people start noticing me like, oh, man, don't leave him alone, you know. He won't beat you up. So that's how to.

They would racially slur you as well? No, you know, you got people that just joke about you, you know what I mean? Like just call you dark, crusty, you know, just, you know, not I would say white people, but like, black people, like, you know, they just joke on you. And at the times, I didn't have the jokes, you know, but I had the fist. So people would say things and, you know, and that's all that it took me to, you know, get to that level. And I used to get kicked out of school.

You had an extraordinary situation where your mother, Deborah, I mean, she would beat you with a belt. You've talked about that. But she had also paid local kids in the neighbourhood to try and fight you and to beat you. I mean, they failed. You used to deal with them. But it's a very unusual thing for a mother to do. Have you been able to get to the bottom of why she did that? Well, I used to get weapons because I was bad.

You know, it's a part of discipline. Ain't nothing wrong with disciplining your kids when they're not following directions, when they're not listening. You know, I think we all need to discipline our kids. It's in the Bible to discipline your kids. The thing of getting other kids to fight? But that, I think it was more so of a competitive nature in her, being that her brother was a boxer.

My dad was a boxer. My dad's dad was a boxer. My uncles was boxers. So she comes from a boxing family. She grew up in the boxing gym. So me being a little bad kid running around, not listening, she'd be like, all right, let me see how good you is. I'm going to pay this little kid to see if you can whoop you, you know, things like that.

And I'll whip them every time, you know. Well, you make it sound perfectly normal, but that's not normal. And we call it the ghetto. And the ghetto where I come from, you know, it's normal to us. It may not be normal to you because you don't come from those type of beginnings. You know, I can remember, you know, if you didn't fight, when you go home, you get in trouble for not defending yourself. You know, and if you did fight and your mom was there and you got whooped, then you go home and get another whooping. You know, so you better not lose in front of your mom.

So that's the times where I come from. Now you see kids and people don't fight no more. They shoot, stab, you know, and pick up weapons. So it's not like the times where I grew up. Canella, you had a not dissimilar upbringing. You were the youngest of seven boys, eight kids in all. Again, a pretty poor childhood. It wasn't like you were born into any great sense of mind.

or anything, you learned to fight as well. You were picked on because you were small, you were shy, you had red hair, you had freckles, you joke that you must have had an Irish grandfather. Have you got an Irish grandfather? No. I'm Irish, I'm asking a question. But you got picked on and bullied, and a little bit like Terence. Your father, I think, when you were six, he sent you to sell ice creams at a bus station and get on the buses and try and sell them. And you'd be picked on, people would torment you, and then you got to about 11 years old, and the switch went for you,

and you beat up a bully outside your family home, and you made his nose bleed, and you talked about that moment as being the moment when you went, okay, I really enjoyed that. And there was no way back for you then. Yeah, I was playing soccer at that time, you know, when that happened, and this guy, throw me a punch and

put me cry so on the day I punch him back and then there is start everything my my do you remember that punch yeah I remember you remember how it made you feel yeah great did it

yeah seeing the blood spurn everywhere yeah because you know I'm the opposite of him in the same situation and I'm the only red hair with freckles and everybody's bullying me and everything. And I don't want anybody to tell me bad things about me. So I punch it back and everything.

And I defend myself. But, you know, it's part of the life in my situation. When you coming from nothing is part of the life. And you need to take care of your life somehow. I mean, you come from very different places, obviously, but in a way, is this same? Quite a similar story. You know, you talk about the ghetto.

It would have been a version of that for you that you're describing, I guess. What is interesting to me is you both come from that kind of background where you had to fight to survive really. And you both discovered you were really good at it. Yeah. And now we get to today, you're 37, I think you're 34. and you're unbeaten. You've only lost twice, once to Mayweather, when you were very young, never fought him at your peak,

and you lost one other fight. You both pretty much have gone through your entire lives, winning. And now you're going to fight each other. That's what makes this fight so fascinating for the world, because you two are both used to winning, and only one person can win in very. Yeah, and plus at that life we have almost similar. So I think this is a very special fight.

In my opinion, this is a very special fight because two great in the last era, fighting each other, it's going to be big. It's going to be the biggest fight, the biggest fight in the biggest fight in the in a long time. No question. What does it do to your two legacies? What does it do to yours? If you lose, your unbeaten record goes.

Definitely. Definitely, my unbeaten record goes. And, you know, I can't imagine thinking about getting beat. That's not something that I think about. We've never had it as a professional fighter. Yeah, but I never like to think about losing. It comes to each and every one of our minds as a fighter, you know, what if, but that's why we train so hard so that if can deteriorate, you know, in camp.

But, you know, a win against Canelo Aver is what it would do to my career would put me, you know, on Mount Rushmore. Yes. You know, I think I would be one of the greatest fighters ever. No question. If you were to lose, what would it do to your legacy? A fighter never think about lose. Always prepare yourself to win, no matter how, no matter what.

So I always thinking in my win. I know I have two losses, but I give it all there. So I'm always focused, always training 100% and what I have in front. and I know I have a very complicated fighter there, but, you know, I fought everybody already, every style, and I'm going to put my everything there, all my talent, my experience, and the best man is going to win.

But the people are going to watch. Amazing fight. No question. It's a massive fight. It's going to break a lot of records, this. You both talked about the danger. of this sport you do. This is not like any other sport.

This is a sport where people have died in the ring. This is a sport where people get left paralyzed. They get put in wheelchairs. We've seen what happened even to the greatest of the greats like Muhammad Ali when they fight too long. Does that play on your mind, Terence, as you get to 37, you must be thinking probably not got that many more fights in my career. I don't want to get into a situation as many beliefs say Ali did with

the Larry Holmes fight, where you take one, too many fights, you take too big a beating, and that ruins the rest of your life. Do you think about that? Of course. Of course. I always said I was going to retire from boxing. I wasn't going to let boxing retire me, you know. But this is a sport that we end. We end the hurt business. We know what to expect. We know what's at risk. We know the things that can happen. You know, that's why you got to set yourself up for if and when something like that was to ever happen. You got to be secure all around the board. You got to know what you're doing it for.

You got to have a why. You got to have your life set up after boxing. You got to have your life set up just in case something dramatic happened. You know, if something happened to me, my family is good. I'm good, you know, as long as they good because that's what I'm doing. for. Do you ever feel fear in the ring? No. Never. You weren't when you step in with him. You've never fought a guy that big. He's significantly bigger than anyone you fought before. And he's one of the all-time greats. And he's younger than you. You're not going to feel apprehensive when you get in that

ring against him? Fear, no. I will for you and I'm not even you. That's cool. As a fighter, you know, we get nervous, but we never get, well, I can't speak for everybody else. I never get scared because I've been doing it for so long. I've been in the ring with guys bigger than Canelo. I didn't fought guys in the streets with bare knuckles that's bigger than Canelo. You know, so as a fighter with the skills that I pose, that with the, you know, fighters that I've been in the ring with, the fear is, you know, I feel for what I'm. Professionally against somebody as big as it? Not at all.

Not at all. And it doesn't unnerve you at all? Not at all. It's interesting to watch all the legends of the game of the sport. And they talk about, I mean, some think you're going to win, some think you're going to lose. The ones you think you're going to lose, they say it's because of the weight issue, that you're having to go up two weights. You've never fought professionally at this level. And you're up against one of the all-time greats.

They think that if it comes down to you losing, that's why you lose. Well, I think, you know, Canello is very skillful. You know, I think they just basing their opinion off of his size. And me personally, I'm not going in this fight looking at his eyes. You know, he's a tremendous boxer. He's a tremendous counterpuncher. He got a good defense, you know. we watch Canelo a lot for a long time

and the reason why he's at the top of the sport is not because of his eyes. Canelo's always been a smaller fighter going into the ring if you watch his career. You know, he'd never been the bigger fighter, you know, only in a couple of fights with like Ameri Khan and Charlo and them like that. But for the most part,

Canelo's always fighting a bigger guy. What do you think he's better at? than you? I don't know. In terms of skill. I don't know. Yeah, you do. You've watched all this fight.

I don't know. You did. You've got a whole list. My thing is this. What is it? Is it is... The stuff that you and your team, you've watched every fight he's done.

I know you have. Canello is a great fighter. Yeah. And we all have agreed on that, but... Can you accept he's better than you at anything or not? No. I cannot. I cannot say that another...

man is better than me in anything. Because it's weak to do that. No, because he ain't proven it yet. I can't say if his jab is better than mine because I haven't been in the ring with him. I can't say if a person in right hand is better than mine. Because everything that I do,

I feel I do it great. So let me ask you the same question. He's a very confident man. He's never lost in professional fight. And you know, right, he's coming up in weights. He's exuding. chilling confidence, even for you to hear him talk like that? Does that concern you?

No, I... He has no fear? No, I like that because that's when you realize he's going to be a good fight. I like that. I like to hear that because it's when you realize it's going to be a great fight. And I love it. I enjoy it. What do you think you're better at than him?

You know, he has a very skillful fighter. He had maybe a lot of things better than me. Fighters judge me behind or out of the ring, but when they enter the ring with me, they find out it's different. So I have a lot of talent. A lot of things, a lot of things they don't know until they're in the ring with me.

So, and, and, and, and, I, I can say anything about how it's going to work and everything because I never fought the Teres Crawford before, right? We want to find out September 13. That's why we are here to see who is the best. So I can say whatever, many things. But you think you're the best, right? Of course.

And he thinks he's the best. Of course. That's why I like this fight. Yeah. Because I think you both genuinely believe that. Yeah. And we want to go in. Personally, I want to go into the arena feeling like I'm there.

best. So same game. Do you get to a stage near of the fight when you start to have to hate each other? I don't hate nobody I'll fight. But do you find whenever you come to a big fight, you have to get into a different mindset? I think I already have that. That's why I'm a fighter because my instinct is there. So to hate your opponent? No. When I'm stepping the ring, all the things go out and you're a, you're at, you You need to change your mind. I'm talking about the weeks before the fight.

No. I mean, get to like August and you're a few weeks away. Do you have to switch into a more aggressive mindset against your opponent? You have to end up hating that person so much. I won't say hate, dislike. Dislike, you know. We're about to go in the ring and try to knock each other heads on. So in that moment, you know, I'm gearing up to,

not liking them, but respect is all. But in a cum ring, walk, all that goes out the window because my mind is going to be focused and clear. You got two alpha males over here that know what they're capable of. So they don't have to put on a front or a show. You know, we're going to give the fans a show for sure, but we know what we both capable of. Well, you're both capable of extreme violence.

You've said, I think, that even all your knockouts as a professional, you've never really felt you've unloaded the biggest punch. It's been more a question of skill than brute force and power. Many people think you're going to have to unload a big knockout punch, like everything you've got to take him out. Have you thought about that? No, because it don't take a big punch to knock somebody out. it's the ones that you don't see

that hurt you all my fights that I load it up and I try to catch somebody you know what I mean with a big shot I typically miss or they see it at the last minute and they brace for it

you know the ones that just flow is the ones that get you you feel that way yeah I agree when you try to hit so hard you never never find out

the guy like sometimes you throw a punch without thinking and go yeah and you feel nothing you feel like like a like a punching car like a what a fuck i've seen the videos yeah i mean you two unnerved me because you're just being so nice and so respectful of each other and then there's just a little glint in your eyes and you talk about bodies lying on the floor that i know what you're capable of i've seen it you both have ferocious punches. Do you think your biggest punch is bigger than it is because of your weight? I don't know. I don't know.

I don't feel like I'm a one-puncher fighter. I feel like I'm more like throwing punches and set it up and everything. And I don't think I'm a single punch. Your reach is longer, right? Right. You got longer arms. Is that a big advantage with someone to keep him away from you? It could be in some cases, but in some cases it could be, you know, a disadvantage.

You know, Canello's real good at slipping inside shots, you know, and mid-range. That could be his advantage. So I never think about just because I got long arms, that can be my advantage. Yeah, it's an advantage on the outside, but then if the fight goes to the inside, it's what you do with your long arms. How short can you throw your shots? So I'm well-rounded on all playing fields. Are you training against people who look like him?

Do you do that, is that? It's hard to find somebody that fights just like an opponent that you got. You know, so we got sparring partners that's going to be coming in that, you know, have the size, have the... Ginger hair? You know, nah. Ginger. No, man, you just, you just, for me, you know, never fighting at 168. Right.

You know, you want to get those guys that, you know, can lay on you and that can push you around and things like that because you never know. What way do you right now? I don't know. 155. You go on the way to go. You got a bulk up a lot. Nah, I'm good.

I'm good. But you have to, though? No, yeah, no. Does that not concern? No. It's a lot to put on. I mean, I can put it on in one big meal, but for you, as a finely tuned athlete

who's been at a certain weight, to get to that weight, that's a big leap for you. Does that not concern you about knocking you off your rhythm, your style, your movement? No, not at all, because I just look at us fighters, as we carry a lot of weight anyway. You know, I'd just be fighting at one of my, natural weights.

When he says he's fought bigger guys in you bare knuckled. When he said he's fought bigger guys than you bare knuckled in the street. Yeah. What do you think of that? You done the same? I believe it. I believe him. But it's different.

It's different. It's way different. In boxing is different. You can grab a guy in the street. Can weigh like 300 pounds and what happened? Do you ever get, I did the celebrity apprentice. with Lennox Lewis. So we spent many weeks together in New York.

Donald Trump was the host. But he told me when he used to go out in New York to the clubs, the biggest guy in the club would always try and take him on. There's like a badge of honor. But you guys... More bigger than him than Leonard, Well, they're a review. But I said to find...

Well, I said to him, well, what would happen? He said, dude, what'd you think happened? I was a heavyweight champion of the world. So he just banged him over. So it happened a lot. Do you guys, when you go out, do you get the toughest guy in the room, the bar, the club? Do they come and try it out or not? No.

Sometimes it's right, but I get paid for fights. Yeah. So you don't. Yeah, I don't care. You don't engage with them. No. When was the last time you had it. When I was 17.

That was the last fight you had outside of the wreck. Yeah. Really? Yeah, because I turned professional fighter at 50. And you've never had a fight out in the street since? No. Have you? I can't remember the last time I had a street fight.

I can't remember. What would happen if someone... I try to avoid it, you know, because, like he said, we're professional fighters. You know, we get paid for fighting. It would be foolish for us to go out, fight somebody, break a hand, you know, get sued or getting in some trouble, or potentially kill somebody. Right. Just off a lethal weapon.

Yeah, off a stupid enemy. Did you kill me with your bad hands? I could. I'd choke you out. Look how quickly you both said, yeah. Wow. That's true. I wouldn't even punch you.

Like you want to right now. You want me to lie you? Wow. No. Both of you like, bam, yeah, yeah. Yeah, right now? For sure. You could, right?

Definitely. You could kill me with just easy. Really? Yeah. How would you kill me out of interest? Just one punch. Really? Yeah.

Yeah, because let me tell you why, because you don't used to getting here. Getting here, so. You've no idea about my fight, right? Oh, I don't know. I don't know. I agree. I grew up with two brothers. Trustly.

How old are you? How old are you? I'm 60. You're going to sleep. He said, I'm 60. You're going to sleep. I'm sparred with Mani Pachia. Yeah, sparring.

We talk about bare knuckles, you're going to sleep. Really? Yeah. Could they relish, you both say that? Yeah. Actually, you love that. Have you a spark? Have you a respirore?

I'm actually doing boxing training at the moment. Once a week. You can come to my training camp and we can, I can show you just a little bit. But you reckon he would take one punch? No, whatever. If you want to kill me with one punch. Yes. And you could?

I'm not going to punch you. I'm not going to choke you. Could you kill me with one punch? Huh? Could you kill me with one punch? Depends on where you get hit at. Yeah, but you know where you hit it. You're the expert.

I'm just saying if he says he could do it with one punch. If you get hit in the temple, that's hard. It's all the way for it. I'm going to sleep. They're not waking out. Yeah. You see, that's it. See, look at you too now.

Now, now I've drawn out of you the what's really there. Because until now, you've been like, very respectful nice guys. You could be accountants, right? But in that moment, when I say, could you kill me with a punch, both of you, yeah. Bang. I see it. It is what it is. Yes.

You're basically killing machines. To people like me. Not to each other, hopefully, but to people like me. But it's a natural instinct, isn't it? Yeah, it is. The warrior instinct is just very real. For some reason, we are fighters, right? I think we have that instinct inside.

You had an extraordinary moment when you were younger, before you turned pro, I think, where you were shot. you've been playing, I think, some form of card game or something, and then you got shot where you were in a car, and it hit the back windscreen. If it hadn't done that, it probably would have killed you. Tell me about that.

Well, I really too much don't like to talk about negativity, but, you know, it was things that happened in the past that's past me now, the type of lifestyle that I was living. I'm no longer living that lifestyle. Was somebody trying to kill you? Deliberate? No, no, it was just, you know, wrong place at the wrong time. So it wasn't deliberate?

Wrong place at the wrong time. Somebody would say that if it was deliberate, but they didn't want to talk about. I'll just say wrong place at the wrong time. What happened to the guy who tried to shoot you? I don't know. You don't know? Well, you don't want to tell me. It ain't nothing to talk about.

I just... It's kind of fascinating. I mean, I got shot. I need no two people in the world who've been shot and grazed and survived. Your one, and Donald Trump, who's a friend of mine, was the other. And I talked to him about the fact that in that moment, he realized that God was giving him another chance to live. Did you feel that?

That's exactly what it was. You know, and that's why I'm here, because it's destined. I changed my life around and I gave my life to the sport of boxing and everything else is history. I'm not going to label the point, mainly because I can see your knuckles twitching, but the moment you realized you'd survived it,

what was going through your head? Nothing. I wanted to fight. I was actually, plus the fight a few weeks later, So I was kind of mad. I was still trying to fight. And they had canceled my fight. And I was just like, man, that was just an eye-opener. It was kind of like a wake-up call, like, God just telling me, you know,

you got too much talent and the skills to be in the streets and doing what you're doing, like, get your life together. Where did you get here? Right here. Back of your head. Yeah. And am I right that if it hadn't been deflected slightly, it would have gone straight in your head. For sure.

In the distance that it was flying from. It was very close. No, it wasn't very close. So all that played a factor. But everything happened for a reason. Yeah, it's a miraculous escape. Miraculous that you're here to tell that story. And was it that moment, like you say, that changed your life?

You think back? Was that the moment you could have gone that way or that way? Definitely. I had a choice to make. So I made the right choice. Do you think about it much? Not at all. Like I said, it's behind me. Ain't nothing that bringing up ain't anything to, you know, keep talking about. When you saw what happened to Donald Trump, did it bring it back to you? I don't know.

Right? What do you think of that story? It's hard, but I see a lot of that before. So, but like he said, things happen for a reason. He had something in this life to accomplish. He don't know yet, but he can not find out later. That's why he don't get hurt that much because he has something to accomplish in this life. Maybe maybe he's not.

nothing to do in boxing, something to do in his life and he's going to find that in some point. Have you lost friends when you were young? Not close friends. Yeah, friends, like no friends, yeah. Equations. Yeah. And you're the same terms? Have he lost?

Definitely. Definitely. Who've been killed and like, what does it make you feel when that happens when you're young and you see people you know and maybe care about, get killed in that kind of life? Well, it hurts you, but at the same time, it becomes normal because it's an everyday thing. You know, you've seen so many people die to gun violence, to, you know, the police killing them, to drugs, to, you know, whatever. You know, so it's like, dang, you know, you just try to keep your family and your core loved ones away from that type of circumstance. Do you think boxing saved your life? 100%.

Do you feel that? Yeah. If I haven't been for boxing, you may both not be here? I don't know where I'm if I don't be choose boxing in my life. But I'm glad I choose boxing and I don't think about what it happened if I don't be a boxer, right? I'm just glad to be here and for some reason. And I don't like to talk about what happened in the past because I don't like to say, oh, I pass this and like I feel like I'm the, the, that guy, you know, oh, he happened a lot of things. You know, my life happens like that, and I take everything.

I was happy in my, what I'm doing in my youngest life. And for some reason, things happen and I'm glad just being here. How lucky is Jake Paul that this fight is happening and you're not going to get in a ring with him? He's very lucky. I can't even think about what happened to that guy if he got in the ring with you. Yeah, it's hard. I mean, you probably could have killed it. Could be.

So do you think his life has been saved by this fight? Yeah. He's saved now. I mean, you're probably not even joking, right? No, I'm not joke. When I'm stepping the arena, I'm not joking. No. Yeah.

But I don't like to call that as a fight. If it happens, it's like an event. Right. It's different. He thinks he's a series, but... Yeah, he thinks. That's other thing. What do you guys think of it?

No. Look, he's doing good for what he's doing, but talking about real fight is different. But he's doing good things for him. So it's good. Do you like those sort of fights? I mean, when you see Mike Tyson get back in the ring at my age? No.

I hate that. I hate to see Mike Tyson the more fierce men in the war before seeing him doing that kind of stuff. I feel sad as a fighter to see Mike doing that kind of stuff. I personally feel like. Yes. You feel as that? Definitely. You know, I hated it.

You know. Did you watch it? I watched it. I had a curiosity. Yeah, but as an icon of the sport, a man that done so much, that overcame so much to have to come back to the sport. And this guy,

J. Paul, no disrespect against him. I ain't got nothing against him, but can walk around today for the rest of his life to say, I beat Iron Mike Tyson. And it's on my record. That's just hard. It's sickening, actually.

Yeah. It's like, man, you turn to show legacy for money, you know, and that's just, you know, I felt as if, if that was what he was doing for, it should have been other avenues that just his name alone should have gave him the outlets to make the money that he needed.

Who's your boxing hero? My boxing hero, Roy Jones, Georgia. Why him? That's, man. He was unbeatable in his prime. You know, Roy Jones inside, outside the ring. He loved a 50.

He loved to play basketball, you know, just everything about Roy Jones Jr. I idolized. And then when Floyd Mayweather came on the scene as a young kid, I used to run to the house to watch him in Floyd, Mayweather and Roy Jones Jr. But for me, Roy Jones Jr. will always be my favorite fighter at a long time. But you? Mohammed Ali.

Because he's like, I like him as a person too. what he's doing with people I like him a lot I met him once I met him in Los Angeles at a hotel my chance and I was really Muhammad Ali

and I was struck by the way all the staff at the hotel they reacted to him like he was a kind of godlike figure it was incredible to watch it was like a spiritual moment that was kind of bowing to him I've never seen that

Yeah, because he was a good person. He helped a lot of people. That's why, not just because of boxing, because the person he was, and I like that. Who are your heroes outside boxing, like in the world? Who do you look up to? Nobody. Really?

I don't have a hero outside of boxing. Really? Nobody at all. Like, I don't know. Like, I was a hero. always the type of person that always want to be myself. You know, I never want to follow behind anybody. I want to make my own way. You know, however it was, I want to do my way and how I find a light. So to call somebody my hero, I can't do that. Do you have a hero? I don't think about a hero. Really? Having a hero.

Only boxing heroes. Nothing outside the ring. I admire. Yeah, I was about to say that. Yeah, I admire. But a hero is something else. I admire Mohammed Ali, something in a role mode. But a hero is like some weird war.

I mean, you are a hero to many Mexicans, right? You're a Mexican hero. Do you carry that weight? that burden on your shoulders? Are you aware of just how important you are to millions of Mexicans? I'm not thinking about that. I'm just glad and thank you for with the people support me because it's a lot of them.

And I have behind me the whole country. But, you know, I don't say, I'm you're here and this. And if they look at me like that, well, that's not my problem. But I just glad to have all. the support from the people. You talked about fame being more dangerous than boxing. And you had a moment where the two came together where one of your brothers was kidnapped

before your fight with Rocky Fielding. And it was an extraordinary few days for you because you were negotiating with these kidnappers but not telling any of the media and you were doing interviews and press conferences and then the fight without anyone knowing this was going on while your brother had been kidnapped by a cartel. Yeah.

What was that like for you? I don't want to talk about that. I think that moment happens. I already passed, and I don't want to talk about that. But is that why you think fame is more dangerous? I think, no. I don't think because of that. I think fame is more dangerous than money.

Because when you have fame, everybody is around you. Hey, come here. Let's go to the party. Let's go this. take this and this and this and this and you think you are the god right everybody is is around you telling you you are the best and this and this and that's why famous is more than i have that all the time yeah it's a real problem fame is more dangerous than that money because if you don't handle that situation good it's is it's bad for for for your life you

I think you would agree with that. Yeah, definitely. You still live in Omaha where you were born. The other two most famous people from Omaha were Marlon Brando and Warren Buffett and Terrence Corford. It's not a bad little trio, is it? Right, right. I mean, arguably you've been as successful of what you've done

as they've been in the worlds of finance and movies. For sure. I look at it like this. being famous put a target on your back you know not just from you know people that want to rob, steal or kill you

you got vultures out there you got women out there that's going to throw their self at you to try to trap you you got people that's going to act like they're a friend to try to steal from you man you got people that's not meant to focus that can go the other way and start living a different lifestyle because everything is

accessible to him. You know, you got people around you that you got to watch out for because if they do something, then they're part of your entourage, then you get in trouble for it. So it's a lot that comes with. How do you control that? I don't have an entourage. You're not? No. I was surprised today he just walked in with it.

I don't live like I'm famous. I just live a regular life. I don't think I'm better than nobody. I don't carry myself like I'm this big megastar. I'm just a regular person at the end of the day. You had a moment in 2018 where Laramore Avenue in Omaha where you grew up was renamed Terrence Bud Crawford Street. That's pretty cool. Yes.

Did that mean a lot to you? It means a lot, you know, because my mom still live on that street, my cousin, my sisters. I have a house that I'm living in on the street. In your own street? Yeah. Does your mom still get the locals to, she still pay them to? No. What does she make of what's happened to your mom?

She, she love it. You know, my mom's very happy, supportive, and she proud of her her baby boy. Can I know a difficult question for you, but you're an honest guy. You failed a drugs test and he did a six-month suspension. You said it was because you ate some contaminated meat. And it's proofs there. Sure, but there are people, as you know, they don't want to believe it. They think you're a drug's cheat.

What do you say to them? No, you know, people who don't want to believe, they don't believe, even if you're a drug's cheat. if it is true what I say or that proves is there, they want to believe what they want to believe. And I don't really care. I don't really care about it. Do you not? No.

You don't feel like it's a little thing on your record that you wish hadn't happened? No. I don't feel it. What do you feel about that? Does it bother you? I just, you know, don't get into it. I think people are going to say what they're going to say. You know,

It's a sad case that that happened, but, you know, in our fight, you know, just hope that none of that comes up. And that's the past and we're looking towards the future. You're both incredibly rich men. You in particular, I think. How rich are you? No, I don't know. You a billionaire? Not yet.

Nearly? Nearly. Nearly a billionaire? Yeah. This fight could take you over? Maybe. What would that be like for you to come from nothing? See you.

To become a billionaire through fighting. Very proud moment. Very proud moment. What would you say to the bullies? Nothing. That used to bully you for being freckily. Thank you. Motivating you.

Thank you. So when you pass the billion net worth, you'll be issuing a statement of gratitude to the bulls. Yeah, when I say thank you. Very satisfying, yeah? Yeah. Is it the ultimate answer to these people? Yeah.

I don't have any feelings about that. I used to my team and thank you for everything. How rich are you here? I don't know. Yes, you do. I'm not rich. I look at you and I see that guy knows exactly what he was. I'm not rich.

You know what you were, I think. I know what I work. Yeah. I know everything. What sort of area are we looking? I don't know. 100 million? I don't know.

Do you 100 million? I'm not going to tell you. 500 million? I mean, you're not as rich as sick because nobody is. 500 million? 500 million? Yeah. You think?

Yeah. 500 million? I wouldn't tell you if you were. Are you worth 500 million? You know what? You know what? Are you worth half for Canella? You know what?

You know what is the more richest thing I have in my life? It's family. Accomplished my family. You have four children? Yeah, I have three. Three children. You have seven? Yes.

Ten kids. Seven? Yeah. Oh my God. He hasn't stopped. Yeah. Have you stopped now? Is that enough?

What? Do you have more kids? I don't know. Really? If God bless me with another one, then so be it. What are your kids making of what you do? Because most of them, when I tell my kids, I'm doing an interview today.

You have to tell your kids, I'm going to get in a ring with this guy. Yeah. Sometimes my kids want to fight in the school and everything. Yeah, what do you say to them? No, no, no, that's my job. You don't need to do that in your school. I do that because it's my job. But you can hardly tell your kids to not, like if they're being bullied or picked up.

No, if they bully them, well, that's different. but there is a way ways to don't just take care about the business with the fight. You can talk and figure out how you're going to do this and that. If the end of the day

don't listen, okay, it's your choice. I mean, for you, difficult with your kids, right? Because you settled business when you were young and look at you now. You're one of the most successful athletes in American sporting history because you didn't take any shit from people. What do you say to your kids if they're getting shit, particularly if they're getting it

for being your child? Well, I just tell them, you know, long as they don't put their hands on you, then, you know, it doesn't matter. And if they do put hands on it? They handle your business, you know, handle your business. My kids, you know, they want a box. My boys. They want to box. My boys. They all want to box, but I won't let them. You won't? I won't let them. Why? Because boxing is a dangerous sport,

and I couldn't imagine watching my kids in a sport that I participated in and make sure that they didn't have to do what I have to do to get it, to make it out. They don't have to do that. They can beat whatever they want to be in life. That's all the boxing? Nah, boxing. Do you feel the same way? Yeah, I feel the same way.

I told my boy. I have just one boy. He wants to be a fighter too. And I say, you don't want to be like a other soccer player or Formula One pilot or something else. No, I want to be a fighter. And I can do nothing. So if he wants to be a fighter, so I'm going to try to support at the end.

Because it's not my life. It's his life. At the end of the day when he had the correct, when he has the age to make decision, he's going to make the decision. So, and like I say, it's not my life. It's his life. If he want to be a fighter, it's okay.

I say, wait until you take that pre-spons, and then you tell me, you want to be a fighter or not. I've interviewed a lot of people, a lot of athletes, a lot of boxers in my life. You two are right up there with someone the smartest, most thoughtful. Boxers, athletes, sports people I've ever interviewed.

And you both exude a remarkable confidence. But come September 13th, one of he's going to come out of that ring, the winner, and one's going to come out of the loser. All the talking stops, all the hype stops. You know that. Who's going to win? Me? I'm glad you pointed to me first.

I'm giving you the chance. to admit you may not win, but no. Nah. You're 100% certain. We're going to win. We never 100%. What percentage are you? I'm saying 70.

Really? Yeah. The two-thirds chance you'll win. Of course. I'm always high on confidence. You know, if you don't have confidence in yourself, then why should anybody else believe in? you.

The type of person that been told I couldn't do something or I had to move out of Omaha to become something. And just my self-belief and myself and my self-determination has gotten me

to where I am now. And what would it mean to beat Kenalo Ava as one of the all-time greats of the sport? Everything. Everything is... Biggest night of your life?

Everything is riding on this one moment. This is it for you. This is it. This is what you've been waiting for. Planning. I see. Plotting. Looking at pictures of him on your wall.

Nah. Nah, I can't say that because Canelo wasn't the guy that I was plotting on. It was Mani Paci out. And Arrow Spence. So. And now it's it. That's right. What percentage confidence do you have you're going to beat him?

I guess I have that 30%. 70? He says 70. What did you say? I guess I have that 30%. Right? At least I have that 30%. I mean, that's quite a concession.

I thought he'd say 100%. I just need 1% chance. I don't need much. Just 1% is all you need. I just need that. But do you have any doubt in your mind you're going to be him? No, I don't have doubt about it. So you're both 100%?

Really? Yeah, of course. What do you want me to say? No, I'm not. Listen, it's not me getting in the ring. Why do you want me to say? All I know is one of he's going to lose. Why do you want me to say?

I want you to be honest. When I win. No, but it's all about wanting to it. Of course, you want to. Why do you believe you're going to win? I believe 100%. 100%. 100%.

So he's 70. 100%. So my 100% is that Teddy he's not safe. Well, so that's my 100%. You're 100% sure you're going to win. You're 70% sure you're going to win. What does that tell me?

Stay tuned. Just watch September 13. Guys, it's been a real pleasure. Honestly, I've really enjoyed this. You're very smart guys. You're very thoughtful. You'd be very honest with me. As a boxing fan, I am incredibly excited about this.

This is going to be the fight the whole world has been waiting for. I cannot wait to see who wins. And I'm not going to choose a side. I just want to thank you for your time. No, thank you. And wish you the best of luck. on fight mate. And may the best man win.

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