Piers Morgan Uncensored - “We’re Never Told The TRUTH” Directors Oliver Stone & Sean Stone on Kirk & RFK Assassinations

Episode Date: September 19, 2025

America has a long history of political assassinations, with the most recent killing of conservative commentator Charlie Kirk sending shockwaves across the world. Robert F Kennedy was fatally shot 57 years ago - and now legendary filmmaker Oliver Stone and his son Sean Stone have delved into his incredible story in new film RFK: Legacy. They join Piers Morgan to discuss the documentary and their views on the assassination of Kirk plus Piers asks them about Putin’s Russia and the recent passing of Hollywood great Robert Redford. Piers Morgan Uncensored is proudly independent and supported by: Oxford Natural: To watch their full stories, scan the QR code on your screen or visit https://oxfordnatural.com/piers/ to get 70% off your first order when you use code PIERS. Ground News: Go to https://groundnews.com/PIERS for 40% off the Vantage subscription and find the truth mainstream media doesn't want you to see. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It's a very tragic situation and it's the resumption of that period in the 1960s when four of our national leaders were assassinated. These extreme people were very disturbing. And we should remember the old assassinations because we never solved them. There's a lot of question marks and let's see what gets revealed. Will there be a trial like Lee Harvey Oswald never have, for example? How do you think RFK was killed? The bodyguard shot him directly point blank in the head. The United States is unable to take.

tell the truth about its mistakes and its failures. Does it ring true to you that a 22-year-old, young, radicalized man could, with a single shot, pull off that assassination without other help? America has a long and tragic history of political assassination, the subject which could seldom be more pertinent than this week. Robert F. Kennedy was fatally shot 57 years ago, leaving behind a complex legacy in an indelible mark on American history, legendary film director Oliver Stone and his son, Sean, have delved into his incredible story and shocking demise in their new documentary, RFK Legacy.

And they join me now. Well, welcome to both of you. Sean, we've never met. Great to meet you, albeit virtually. Oliver, great to see you again. Been a few years since we last, we're in this situation. It's been a long time. Yeah.

How are you, Oliver, first of all? You've been very hot topics. You've been very busy in the last. few years. Yeah, well, you know all about hot topics. It has been hot topics. It's very, it feels very timely to have you guys with me to talk about this particular subject of your film, given what happened last week. And it sort of feels odd not to start with that. When you, when you heard about the assassination of Charlie Kirk, Oliver, what was your reaction to? What did you feel? Of Mr. Kirk? Yeah. I regret it. It's a very tragic situation.

and it's the resumption of that period in the 1960s when four of our national leaders were assassinated. Very disturbing and indicative of a violence in the in the in the in the in the citizenry that divides us and it's only extremists you know it's extreme people with very disturbing and we should remember the old assassinations because we had no we never solved them we we left it that's part of the problem we left them uncovered. We never told the truth. A bunch of lies. As you know. Yeah, well, it's really interesting. I mean, Sean,

before we get to your film, you know, from your perspective, what is happening not just in America, but we'll focus on America for the purposes of this, what is happening that is making young people, it seems, from what happened

last week, think that the only way to debate somebody is to shoot them. Well, Do you want to, you take it? I would suggest that we are in a polarized situation. Personally, I don't believe necessarily the narrative of the lone gunman. I think that there's a lot of question marks, and let's see what gets revealed in this coming time. Will there be a trial?

Lee Harvey Oswald never have, for example. But look, we've seen, as my father mentioned, the lone gunman theory four times in the 60s, and I think in every case there was a greater conspiracy at work, as there was with Abraham Lincoln, for example. But in terms of the question about why young people are willing to shoot other people we see with mass shootings and things like this, we are in a polarized time, we know this. We have to look at, as RFK Jr. has talked about, we do have to look at various drugs and things like this, prescription drugs. There's mental illness problems. It's clear.

A lot of young people are dealing with all kinds of mental disturbances, bipolarities, schizophrenia, You know, you name it. So we have created a culture, I think, right now, that is allowing people to celebrate Charlie Kirk's death, for example, right, publicly. In the old days, that would have been done privately as the film JFK, you see the guy in the bar, guy, Bannister is cheering, right? People like that are cheering, but it was a, it was the rare occasion. Yeah.

Now you can go out there on Twitter and celebrate and get tens of thousands, hundreds of people who cheer because of the nature of social media. So we are in a very, very polarized time, and it's scary, I think. Yeah, I completely concur. One out of a hundred. Oliver, yeah. One out of a hundred people object, say something ridiculous and mean, that gets projected on the internet to 100 or 1,000 times, you see.

So it's not fair because most of the people are sane and most of the people are calm, mur. And that's the problem. The internet magnifies everything. Yeah. Yeah, I completely agree. I was thinking the other day that when I was young, it seems a long time ago now, but when I was a teenager, for example,

the ability to consume the kind of content of Charlie Kirk being shot dead that just didn't exist. You wouldn't see that as a teenager in the 70s. There was no ability to see it. The media just wouldn't show it to you. And you had no phones, you had no internet, you had nothing like that.

So I feel for young people in particular, I feel their brains are getting pretty scrambled by the constant and unrelenting amount of very negative dopamine stuff that they see. But let's get to the purpose of why you guys are here. Oliver, this movie about Robert F. Kennedy, like I say, it's obviously very timely. But you make a very good point that there were all these assassinations of incredibly important people in the 60s. And yet we still have so many unanswered questions about all of them. And in relation to RFK,

obviously, Suran is still in prison in California for killing RFK, but you believe, I think, and I've had this conversation with RFK's son, RFK Jr., you believe that that may not be the case. Explain why.

It's quite, you know, if no one's ever looked at this RFK case, one of the things that haunts me is that after the JFK, success I wanted to go on and I tried to do a Martin Luther King but it was frustrating I couldn't get there no financing and at the same time I always considered RFK but Emilio Estevez did a directed a film about him and he said publicly at the time I couldn't go further because I saw what happened to Stone he

got so massively criticized so as a result the R of K case was let go. But it's even as egregious as the JFK case. And in this film, thank God, Sean, which I'm very proud of, shows at the end a lot of the details of the assassination as explained by Robert, because Robert has thought about this and he's a very serious man. I'm very proud of this film. And I'm very proud. It's a family that has been ignored too much. We should get back into the RFK case. But Robert Kennedy, himself has been under attack so much in the last few months, a few years, that it defeats the purpose of telling the truth. You see, you can't tell the truth without upsetting all these

people who have beefs, who have objections. Well, let's listen to Robert Kennedy. He makes sense. Let's start with this film. Well, let's take a look at a trailer from the movie. I wanted to be working with nature. He was appalled at what he saw. This is how he became the leading environmental lawyer in the United States. There's no right to pollute. The polluter pays. My views are constantly misrepresented. It's terrible what they did to suppress Bobby's free speech.

He accepted his burden, and he did his duty. We have to make an effort to get beyond these rather difficult times. We have to stop trying to destroy each other. What we need in the United States is not division. We have to find a place of light, of empathy, of compassion. I don't know if there's a curse. We do what we're supposed to do. The outcomes in God's hands.

It's a very powerful trailer, Oliver. But in relation to that question, I put a couple of minutes ago, how do you think RFK was killed? What do you think really happened? Oh, I think the bodyguard, certainly. Thane Cesar, who was standing four feet behind him, shot him directly point-blank close contact in the head. And you should read the people don't even remember that Thomas Noguchi was the autopsy.

He wrote a great report that people ignored. The shot could not have come from the front. The shots were sprayed all over the place by Sirhan, who was tackled right away by Robert's bodyguard, Rafa Johnson. And in the melee, everybody got confused, but the LAPD is basically the most responsible because they closed off all the roads of investigation. There were two high-level detectives who had worked with the CIA in South America on their U.S. aid program, teaching torture, learning about torture, everything down there in South America that we did in that period with the CIA was passed on to the LAPD. And these people were all over the place. They didn't care about solving the case.

They wanted to close the case as quickly as possible. The result is Sirhan, as we know, was brainwashed and completely out of it. He didn't even remember anything. And he says, he was an innocent guy who was confused. And it shows it in the film. And Robert discusses all these points of evidence where the shots landed and the history of Thane Cesar, the bodyguard who was appointed to his bodyguard. about three days or a week before and turned out to be and they need they the LAPD didn't even take

the gun from Cesar they didn't even examine the gun they just let him walk away and what it had fired for example yeah well Sean I mean look see if the gun had been fired right so so short miss it's a dramatic narrative um that this film is telling and like you said I've spoken to Robert F Kennedy Jr about about this what happened to that bodyguard today so brought to you by Oxford Natural, makers of the optimum day and optimum night, all natural supplements. Thousands of Brits and Americans are already taking them with incredible results. Optimum day is designed to boost your energy and support weight loss throughout the day. Optimum night helps you relax and get deep, refreshing sleep.

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And Cesar wanted money to talk. Now, in the film, we don't say Cesar actually did it. We do say that we know he drew the gun. We know that the bullets, according to the autopsy, came from the rear. And they came from about an inch behind the head. and they came within an inch or two behind the head and in the back. So the killer was in the back. So Cesar could have either held him while someone shot him

or he could have himself shot him. We don't make the accusation because we can't prove it. But it's sad that RFK Jr. never had a chance to confront him and actually maybe hear a story that he might have been able to tell before Czar passed away. Well, you see Kennedy, Robert, in the footage, he turns around and he tries to deal with it. But he's cut off. He makes the move to back behind him. To grab the bowtie.

Which he would do, too, is a reaction to the pain. Right. And Oliver, who, you know, what was the motivation for this bodyguard to kill Robert Kennedy? Well, Robert Kennedy was going to be president of the United States. I think everyone kind of knew that he had the momentum, the big mo, that he had the spirit to end the Vietnam War, that Johnson was deeply unpopular. And he was looking like a clear path because he'd won the prime. in California as well as other states.

California sealed the deal, and he was almost killed that night, right? They won the primary? I don't remember exactly. He announces it, he walks off the stage into the kitchen there. So when you, so we talk about, for example, a military industrial complex, right? You talk about we know the CIA has elements

that are involved in assassination. We know this, right? They were working on assassination plots against people like Kastrow. like Castro, but there were countless other foreign leaders. And I think the whole point is that people who question the CIA's role, in someone like Cesar, Lisa Pease is an author who's done huge work into this investigation for decades. She says, as her research shows, Cesar actually listed the CIA as an employer of his at one point. Robert Mayhew was very integrally connected, as we know, with the Howard Hughes Empire of Military Industrial,

you know, right, airplanes and jets and things like this. Also, Mayhew was then part of the contracting of Cesar. So he's a key character. We don't get into Mayhew, but Robert Mayhew is one of those great mystery men that does tie mafia, CIA, LAPD. I mean, he's one of those great connector types that you have to look to as an investigation. The point was that whoever pulled off the, the original JFK assassination, knew for sure that Robert Kennedy was going to reopen the case,

and he said so before he died. to students. We knew that Robert Kennedy had enraged the mob by going after them aggressively after, you know, that his father had supposedly done these deals with the mob and then they all felt betrayed.

What is your presumption if it was this bodyguard and that gun that killed Kennedy and if he was in the pay of the CIA what would have been the motivation of the CIA to take out Robert Kennedy then? What is the working theory you have about that? Well, because they were involved very deeply in the JFK assassination.

There could have been nothing but recrimination on them. In fact, they would have gotten rid of that agency, which we should have done back in the 1960s. The CIA has been one of the most detrimental organizations to our security, the real United States that matters. They are a corrupt organization, evil organization. They've done, not everybody in it, because they work.

compartmentally, of course, there's not a lot of, you can't see the whole CIA, but definitely they're involved on numerous levels in so much evil, so much evil. There was a coup against DeGal, right before they killed Kennedy, a coup that was, Dulles was involved, Alan Dulles was a guy that Kennedy fired, and it's a dirty, dirty story, but we don't have time on television to go into the history. of this thing. Robert didn't even want to know about it until he read Nogood, until Paul Shraid called him up. Paul Shraid had been shot in the face right next to him and survived and told him read this report, the Thomas Noguchi report, which he read. He was shocked about his own

father. And thank God he's one of the Kennedys that's responsible. And he, it's like Hamlet, you know, do you take, do you go after your father's killers or not? Well, Robert Kennedy is proven that he's willing to do that and he has courage, tremendous courage, to stand up to all the attacks that have been put on him. Here's a man who's so much good in his life. He's fought, you know, environment, he's fought mercury. He's a, he's a progeny from the days of Rachel Carson, DDT. Remember the DDT controversy? They didn't take any responsibility for it. Robert was a big fan of Rachel Carson, we met as a kid. And as he grew up, he fought against mercury.

He fought against River. He cleaned up the Hudson River, which was a mess in New York State. And then he went on to this COVID, the COVID whole experience. And we want, you know, that's another funny, that's another weird story that doesn't hold up

because the United States is unable to tell the truth about its mistakes and its failures. That's essential problem here, Pierce, goes back to so many cases. Just to finish on that CIA point, if you want, just the CIA, why, I mean, again, if you're talking about JFK saying he wanted to split into the CIA into a thousand pieces, right? RFK was his right-hand man in his administration, right? He really was, and you'll see through this documentary how important RFK was to JFK's success. And the fact that JFK is gone and RFK is running for president, if he became president 68, he's going to work to end the Vietnam. which we originally began as a CIA war.

People recall how he got involved. He's going to investigate his brother's assassination. So the people that are involved in killing JFK, I believe, were wanting to get rid of RFK as well. And Oliver, do you believe that there is information in the RFK files which the federal government has in its possession, which the American people have not seen? Well, we haven't seen the RFK file in death.

Right. But let's talk about JFK file. That's really been screwed up. If you remember correctly, the film was made in 91. That's almost 40 years ago, right? 35, yeah. 35 years ago. And the act of Congress said JFK Records Act,

bring out the classified files, unclassify them. And then eight years ago, Mr. Trump said, I want these files. open again he reiterated it nothing happened eight months ago mr trump said i don't want any conditions put on these files i want them open so there's no reason not to give us all the files so what happens nothing the archives were a mess because people have gone up there nothing is classic nothing is indexed correctly it's uh not even digitized not digitized and it should be by now so many years have gone by, they could have done it. The archivist was off, was not paying any attention, didn't

care about this case. That's the problem. And on top of it, files have strange stories. For example, we don't even know that the records board, which existed from 94 to 98, actually saw everything. the chief, the chief of that commission never saw most of these files that have still, because partly one of the reasons we think is because the CIA gave the files to the archivist

before the commission could work from 94 to 98. So in sometime after 91, when the film was made, 92, the act is passed. Between 92, and 94, some strange things happened. In other words, you need the full cooperation of the government to open these things. And not that there's going to be proof in them, but there's going to be clues, and that's always been clues. There's already a lot of clues that came out since the movie came out a lot. And I tried to put them in our documentary, which I hope you see from 2021,

JFK, revisit it. I'm sorry, JFK revisit it. It's a beautiful documentary it's two hours long it's well worth it i recommend it again because it goes into details that were not revealed in the film and have since been revealed it's it's probably the most important documentary i've done next to untold history of the united states i'm most proud of it and oliver just bringing things back to where we are this week you know the world is being told that this was a lone shooter who killed charlie kirk this guy tyler robinson that he was radicalized by the left and so on. You know, given all that you've been talking about

in relation to two of the most high-profile lone shooter assassinations in American history, do you think, I mean, conspiracy theories are running riot already about this? But does it ring true to you that a 22-year-old young radicalized man could, with a single shot, pull off that assassination without other help? It's not just how the news is talking. but what's left out, which concerns me. And when a friend of the business recommended I try Ground News, I gave it a go.

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to claim your 40% discount to the unlimited access. advantage plan and see what everyone else is missing. That's groundnews.com slash peers. Peers, I understand, but I cannot comment on a case that has so many loose ends. I mean, even more important is the fact that President Trump was almost killed in Butler, Pennsylvania, and then again was almost hurt in Florida on his golf course. Those two incidents alone merit further investigation.

I don't know anything about the boy in Butler, Pennsylvania. Really don't. I don't know. The parents. Nobody does. Nothing has really been. It's very weird. So here we are.

You know, this is the kind of problem. I said we don't reveal to the American public because we don't trust them. Yeah. So whoever has information doesn't give it. Yeah. It hides it. This is the way of our government. This is a CIA problem because they represent the covert state.

And I have to include the FBI. which has been more honest in some cases, but still, FBI is part of this too. Sean, what do you hope the film may trigger in terms of a response? That's an interesting question. I mean, the reason that I set out to make the film initially was RFK Jr. was running for president,

and it was a great parallel to his father, right? He's carrying on the legacy of his father and his uncle. His uncle became president, his father was struck down. And there was a narrative when RFK Jr., Jr. ran for president, that the media, the mainstream legacy media pushed, which was that RFK Jr. was a black sheep, that he had, you know, kind of gone off the reservation. He was, he was not following in their footsteps. And I said, well, actually, if you look at the

father and the uncle, they were insiders who were also challenging the establishment. So I wanted to tell that story of how JFK challenged the military industrial complex and how RFK senior likewise challenged that system. And I believe paid the price. As a result, in RFK Jr., he came up challenging big pharma, challenging big agriculture, right? And he became very successful at it until he questioned the safety of vaccines. And that was the sacred cow that essentially they assassinated his character as a result. Remember, before this, RFK Jr. was beloved by the Democrats. He was beloved by the left.

As soon as he started to question these things, they committed a character assassination. and during COVID the same, right? And to this very day, right now, they're trying to get rid of him as the head of HHS. So I think that hopefully people will see this film and recognize that RFK Jr. is in the legacy of his father and uncle. He is asking the right questions.

He is challenging an establishment that is very, you know, very difficult because of the amount of money involved, right? At the end of the day, the military-industrial complex, which includes Big Pharma, is, you know, is a huge, you know, hundreds of billions of dollars,

perhaps trillions of dollars are at stake here. And that's why they're trying to silence him, I believe. So hopefully people watch this film and say, hey, I respect RFK Jr. If they don't always agree with him, which I don't always agree with him on policies, but I respect his background, what he's done, and who he is. You know, I've interviewed him.

Established families. Yeah, I've interviewed him four or five times now, and I've found him very compelling to talk to. I want to say one thing. Have you clarified, we didn't clarify, he didn't clarify his vaccine, what he said about vaccines. he never said, I'm not against, I'm not against vaccines. No, that's right.

I just want them tested. Yeah. Carefully. And that's been the problem. It's the testing. Yeah. No, I think he made that clear to me. That's why he fired the CDC.

Yeah. He's been very misrepresented, I think, by people who have a vested interest in misrepresenting him. Oliver, I can't wait to see this film. It sounds fascinating. What you've been saying, both of you've been fascinating. Well, we also watch my, the pre-reported. previous documentary, please.

I will. Now you mentioned it. I will. I wanted to ask you, Oliver, just quickly, about Robert Redford, who sadly died yesterday. You never worked with Redford, but there was a Hollywood story, and you can clarify this now, that Redford was going to produce and start in a biopic about George Washington about his life before the American Revolution and through his presidency, and that apparently he approached you to direct it, but it never materialized.

Is that true? That was true. We had discussions about it. Frankly, I loved Redford. I admired him. But I never quite saw him in a wig. But, I mean, I think he's a wonderful actor, but still, that was a stretch to be George Washington.

But I believe, honestly, if we'd really worked out it, he could have done it. We just never had a good script. and I didn't have the time to work on it. He appeared in, I interviewed him once at CNN, actually. I really liked him. And I worked out he appeared in so many of my personal favorite movies. You know, all the president's men,

Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, the sting, the way we were. There's so many. And obviously, he was sort of impossibly handsome, which many felt denigrated slightly from his abilities as an actor. How did you rate him as an actor and as a movie star? I think he did a great job as an actor. He was, he worked against, he was so handsome and attractive and romantic

that he could have made a fortune continuing in those roles. But he always played an outlier, somebody who didn't quite like believe what they were feeding us. I think that's a beautiful story. He did it consistently through his life. And I got to know him a bit, of course, at Sundance where he lived. and it was a beautiful setup. He was a power force, powerful force, and I think he was underestimated, yes, in his lifetime.

When I interviewed him, I asked him to name his favorite Redford movie, and he said Butch Cassidy, because he said the filming of it with his great friend Paul Newman, that's when they first really became great mates, and he loved him for life after that. But he said also riding the horses, which he loved, the country terrain that they did it in, and he said also,

playing an outlaw because actually that's how he always saw himself as a bit of an outlaw. Yeah. Yeah. Three Days of the Condor. That's another classic, right? Where it shows some of these CIA assassin squads, right? Yeah. And finally, Oliver. I love Quiz Show. Yeah, well, Chris Shoeb is great.

Finally, Oliver, I just wanted to ask you very quickly about Vladimir Putin because, of course, you did a fascinating interview with him at the time in 2023, You said Putin was a great leader for his country and said he was very refined. And he got a bit of blowback for that. But when you see what's happened with the war in Ukraine, what is your view of Putin today? You have always got me into the hot seat because you know I speak my heart. Frankly, nothing's changed. To me, Ukraine is a tragedy pushed by the United States.

We were after Russia. We've been after Russia, frankly, since 1917, 18, 19. We invaded Russia. We've done to Russia, constantly treated it like a boogeyman. Roosevelt is the only president and Kennedy. We're the only two presidents that gave it the benefit of the doubt. And in time, you realize that the more you trust, the more you are trusted. Trust works between nations.

We have treated them as... vile outcasts, our media has been awful, awful, awful. They don't re-examine their own prejudices. It's been, frankly, reading the news and following it has been very depressing. But the truth is that Ukraine is a corrupt country, and the people who are running it are really corrupt, and they don't deserve their kind of money they weren't giving them. We're supporting a, like in Vietnam regime,

We're supporting the corrupt regime. We don't even, we throw money away like it's senseless. I think just to add a couple things on the Russia war, we talked recently to some advisors to Putin. You have to recognize that Putin is very restrained. If Russia was doing to Ukraine what Israel has done to Gaza, I think there would be a huge, huge different shift in perspective on things, right? I mean, Israel has gotten away with it.

destroying Gaza. Russia's not treating Kiev that way for a very, for a very important reason. Kiev is historically considered part of Russia. You understand? Historically, ancestrally, they are connected. So Putin has been very restrained in all our conversations we've understood. He could have pushed, there are many people saying advisors at a right wing, more right wing than him, saying there are weapons coming from Romania and Poland, bomb the weapons depots, right? I think Putin has been very restrained in his war, and I think you compare what happened, the amount of civilians killed in Ukraine compared to Gaza, and the statistics speak for themselves. What the West doesn't understand and never did is that Putin doesn't want Ukraine back.

He wants Ukraine neutral, and he said that time and time again, neutral, doesn't want NATO and all its people and its right-wing sector in Europe. Ukraine. And he's defending his own country because it's like Canada to us. If the Chinese or the Russians were in Canada like we are in Ukraine, they'd be, we'd be freaking out. The Cuban Missile Crisis is a great example of what happened when the Russians tried to bring missiles 90 miles from our coast. That's what Kiev and whatnot is to Russia. So we have to look at it. As Jeffrey Sachs has pointed out, I think, more eloquently than we can right now. I think very similar, perspective to what we have.

Well, it's been great talking to you guys. Oliver, great to catch up with you. Sean, great to finally have a chat with you too. I wish you all the very best with your film. I can't wait to watch it. And I'm going to go back home tonight, Oliver, pour myself a nice glass of something red from France and watch your other JFK film you referenced earlier. And I will enjoy it and I will toast your good health. And welcome.

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