Piers Morgan Uncensored - Will Men Vote For Kamala? With Tim Pool, Vincent Oshana, Wajahat Ali and Nomiki Konst

Episode Date: October 15, 2024

The Kamala Harris campaign has raised one billion dollars for her race to the White House, and understandably has taken a moment to boast, but the question remains; if Harris really has that much money behind her, why are the polls still saying the race is neck and neck? A diverse chorus of voices complain of misogyny and racism, but also ask if her messaging is being received as orders from the top rather than reasoned arguments. Is the Vice President patronising her traditional democratic base? Much has been said of Donald Trump’s 'woman problem' - but does Kamala have a man problem? As always, Piers Morgan’s panel features iconoclasts and firebrands, well suited to the task of blasting through b*llshit. Host of 'TimCast IRL' Tim Pool, Vincent Oshana from the 'Patrick Bet David Podcast'', columnist and podcaster Wajahat Ali and host of 'The Nomiki Show' Nomiki Konst all have their say, and sometimes simultaneously. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

There are a lot of men who will not vote for a woman no matter what. We do have a misogyny problem and a racism problem in America. I've not said anything disrespectful to either of you guys on the panel, but you keep throwing fake things at me. I know this works for you to talk over women because you're used to an audience of 90% males. But everyone watching. I knew you were going to go there. Yeah, I love women.

I don't know why this lady keeps saying my name. My name's Gomi Kahn. I'm well known. I'm on the internet. That's not a policy. That's not a policy. That's not a policy. Yes, it is. There you go, genius. People are tired of this BS. They view Trump as an outsider. He's a bad boy, and you're bad for supporting him.

I don't think going too hysterical about Trump is the way to beat you. But don't just scream. It's like everyone goes, Baa! They say you should never change your winning strategy. And on that basis, it looks a lot like Team Harris is not winning. Search the most recent analysis for the Harris campaign, and you'll see words like disaster, panic, and implosion.

A billion dollars has poured into her race in just a couple of months. more than President Biden raised for his entire 2020 run. But even left-leaning pollsters say, this race is a dead heat. And now after dodging media and clinging to the Orta Cove for months, Kamala Harris is suddenly everywhere. She's even agreed to face Brett Bear on Fox News tomorrow night. She's also apparently in talks to appear on Joe Rogum.

The podcasting Godfather, is she avoided endorsing either candidate so far, but he's previously entertained some forthright views about the current VP. If you're going after Officer Harris, you're either racist or sexist or abelist. Right. So they will use... Yeah, because she's a retard.

She's literally retarded. I mean, Ukraine is a country in Europe, and Russia is another country, and a powerful country, and Russia invaded Ukraine, and that's wrong. What's really important is what can be unburdened by what has been. I think of her as America's wine mom, because bitch seems like she's three deep by noon. Clearly, Carmen Harris is now taking risks, and you can't knock her for that,

but she wouldn't be taking these risks if she didn't have the evidence that she needs to. Young men are decisively breaking for Donald Trump, and that's why Harris needs Rogan, a lot more than he may need her. That's also why Tim Walts is busy pretending to fix car engines and hunt pheasants, and that's why we've ill-advised campaign support ads like this. Bears, that's what beer hugs are for. I'll tell you another thing I sure is shit I'm not afraid of. Women.

I'm not afraid of women. I'm not afraid of women. They want to control their bodies? I say, go for it. They want to use Ivy F to start a family? I'm not afraid of families. They want to be childless cat ladies. Have all the cats you want.

Woman wants to be president? Well, I hope she has the guts to look right in the eye and accept my full-throated endorsement. I love women. I love women who support their families. Women who decide not to have families. Women who take charge. And I'm man enough to help them win. You might think that only a white dude for Harris can script an advert, specifically for men,

that actually appeals exclusively to Dylan Mulvaney. But just to be clear, Trump has problems of his own woman problems. And that's why he's now taking part in an all-female town hall to address that imbalance. Whether it's Latinos and Crypto Bros for Trump or Students and Cat Ladies for Harris, the fact remains, with an election misclosed, the margins will matter. Both candidates know it. Only say better about the next 20 days is it's not going to be boring. Well, join me now to discuss all this is our panel, PBD's podcast, Angry Patriot,

Benio Shana. Ali, the host of Democracy-ish, CEO and star of Timcast, Tim Poole, and the progressive broadcaster Namiki Kons. Welcome to all of you. Tim Paul, welcome to Unsensit. We'll finally get you on. You're wanting to have you on for a long time. You're doing great guns yourself.

Just your overview is where we are. We're 20 days to go here, because it looks like this is an absolute knife-edge race. I would say that it seems Trump's winning the argument. I know there's a big divide. between men and women. It's funny because we've seen this bubbling up over the past several years with many culture war issues. If you look at the aggregate polling right now, particularly in battleground states, at this time in 2020, Joe Biden was up nine points. So we are seeing that Kamala is ahead nationally in aggregate. Trump seems to have an edge, whether he wins the popular vote. I don't know. But I think when it comes to the

issue of men and women that you were just bringing up, women may hold their nose and vote for Donald Trump. and I think this is actually more of a left-leaning opinion, which for some reason I got a lot of flag for, but I think there are a lot of men who will not vote for a woman no matter what. And I think Kamala does have, you know, there's obvious issues of professionalism, but I do think sexism will play a role

in her not being able to win over men in this election. Yeah, I mean, my thing about Kamala Harris is that when I watch it, and I know your views on Trump, and I don't disagree with some of them, and we all know our views of Trump, frankly. He is what he is. Carmela Harris obviously is a bit more of a new proposition

because when your VP you're kind of hiding behind the president and we've only really seen the full Kamala I would say in the last two months and the more we see of her with the exception of a very competent debate performance the more I see in interviews the more unsubstantial she seems and I think that is her problem

is that people think she talks in a kind of word-sally way and that Trump for all his nonsense sometimes at least has a quite clear messaging marketing process, which he just rams home the same things again and again and again, and they do resonate with people. How concerned are you that with just three weeks to go

that Kamala has that issue of she was probably a pretty left-wing progressive, she's barreled her way back to the centre as fast as she can, but people aren't really buying it? I don't think she's... Sorry, Tim, I was for Wajah. Sorry. Sorry. I'm sorry. Go ahead. I think that's part of the misogy that Tim was talking about, that when you look at a career professional like Kamala Harris,

who was a district attorney, who was an attorney general, who was a senator, who was a vice president, and who's now running for president, who has come out with record rallies, a record amount of enthusiasm, and who right now is leading in the polls, you compare her to Donald Trump, who just yesterday, literally, and I'm using the word literally as is meant to be used, at his rally, instead of answering questions for 39 minutes.

I've never seen this before in my life. I'm 43 years old. just sat there swaying and dancing, right? He literally canceled a CNBC interview just today, about an hour ago. He refuses to release his medical records. He canceled the 60 Minutes interview. He refuses to do another debate. Meanwhile, Kamala Harris says, okay, I'm going to go to Call Her Daddy. I'm going to go to New Media.

I'm going to go to 60 Minutes. I'm going to do Howard Stern. I'm going to go to Stephen Colbert. I'll do another debate. He doesn't want to do a debate. I'll do a town hall. I'll even go to Joe Rogan. This is called a campaign that is run by professionals.

This is a professional politician, a professional public servant who actually knows what she's doing. Now, the razor's edge, like we all discussed, is because it is going to be a close race thanks to the electoral callouts, the battleground states. She is going to win the popular vote. I believe she will win the presidency. This reminds me more of 2012, where the polls are very similar. A lot of people thought, oh, Obama's not going to pull through. I think she will. I think she's doing a really smart thing right now by going on Rogan, all these other outlets,

trying to win over the argument. I agree with Tim. I never thought I would say this. I agree with Tim that we do have a misogyny problem and a racism problem in America, which is why some people, some young men who realize Donald Trump has only a concept of a plan and no plan might not vote for Kamala Harris, but I do believe she has the enthusiasm and she will get it done. Oh, like, Vinnie, the response to that. I mean, first and foremost, anything that's negative about Trump, I just, I always refer back peers, as you know. we've already had the four years of Donald Trump. I don't know what this guy's talking about. It sounds like you're getting paid by the Democratic Party. We've already had four years of Trump, and we were winning, okay?

Look at this past four years. Please tell me, you're talking about her career in San Francisco and everything. What is she accomplished when she was there? 146 laws that she tried to get behind. None of them were passed. She has an abysmal record. If anything that we've seen in this past four years, You think that what's Kamala going to do different?

I'm just curious. What do you think Kamala's going to do? I don't care about the enthusiasm. I don't care about the men for Kamala. Please tell me what her, name one policy. Name one policy that she's going to do that's going to save America from this past four years that she's been involved in. I'm very curious. Sure.

You don't have anything. There's nothing. Wait, ready for this? Before you go, is it the border? Hang on. You asked a question. What is it? Bye, John.

Yeah, I'm very curious. All right, here we go. Unlike Donald Trump, she's not going to unleash the military and U.S. citizens. You promised to do that on the weekend. Unlike Donald Trump, she's actually support Obamacare and strengthen it, not destroyed. Unlike Trump and Republicans, she's going to actually fund Social Security. That's not a policy. Yes, it is.

She's going to fund Social Security and she's going to fund Medicare. Donald Trump and Republicans said they want to destroy it. She's going to reinstate Roe v. She's going to try to actually make that into law. Unlike Donald Trump and Republicans who overturned it, and which is why they're going to lose the election. Because they attack women, women's rights. They're going to go after contraceptive in Ivy.

There you go, genius. Vinny? You're a genius, Vinnie, apparently. So, yeah, thank you. I'm a genius. But, like, Pierce, let's just, let's just, let's just face the facts, okay? All the fear, all the mongering, all the, everything. I've already lived through four years of Trump, okay?

And Kamala Harris, say what you want. She wasn't the president. She was with Biden the entire time. And he's been throwing her ass onto the bus lately. He's saying every decision I made, she was right there with me. So for all the real Americans that are sitting out there listening, everything, all the problems that you have, at home, the inflation, the border, the Venezuelan gangs taking over apartment complexes.

Are you ready for this? A tornado hurricanes destroying Florida and our government, FEMA, Al-Aa-Maiyorkas and Kamala, give them 700, excuse me, let me finish. I live in Florida. This has been $750. Meanwhile, this week, excuse me, meanwhile, this year we've given $100 billion to freaking Ukraine to Israel and everybody. Not one American should ever. ever suffer or be asking for money, ever. We're America first. Trump's America first.

Biden and Commonwealth or America last. And the numbers show it. Don't act like I'm sitting here like some right-wing maniac. Okay. Look at the stats. You're showing your right-wing maniac. You sound like a right-wing maniac. You don't even know what he's a sad.

You've been calling, I think you were calling Vinnie God throughout that response. So explain yourself why you think he's so godlike. Who is this calling Vinny God? I wasn't calling him God. Well, you were saying God repeated it. I wasn't sure if you meant he was a God. Oh, my God is what I was saying. God.

I was yanking your chain. I'm so sick of the Q and on talking points. Listen, I mean, there's so much to debunk there. There we go. The name. Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, Vinny, you had your moment, okay? Please, I've been very quiet here listening to you guys as the woman, as you explain misogyny to everyone. I knew you're going to go there.

Yeah, I love women. You know, because I'm a, oh, you love women, I'm sure they love you too. Listen, this is going to be determined by women. This election is going to be determined by women. And women are not only, we saw it in 2022, this country has turned out in response to Roe v. Wade, not just because it's attack against abortion rights and abortion access and the right to choose, but also it shows that the Republican Party and Donald Trump have had an agenda not only through. cutting off clinics, funding to clinics across the country, Feminine attacks on IVF,

not only with their online agenda, like Tim Poole here, who was funded by the Russians, let's not forget, that they had an agenda to sway young male voters into being radicalized through disinformation campaigns. This is all out there at this point. Part of the gender divide here right now, part of the gender divide here right now is because folks like Tim Poole and others

who once said them were, Bernie Sanders supporters who I worked for were suddenly pulling people away and pulling young men away and radicalizing them. So I think we have a problem with young men right now and that they don't respect women as you're seeing with Vinny. They don't respect facts. They don't read newspapers. They don't understand polls. They don't understand misogyny. They don't understand people of color. And they don't understand that that immigration bill was blocked by Donald Trump and his Republicans. Namiki, what you, I'll come to Tim for response, but Namiki, what you may not understand is it's precisely that attitude towards younger men that is driving them to Donald Trump.

And I think the election in the end will not be one with women. It will be one with men. And interestingly, increasing numbers of black American men and Latino American men. So Tim Paul. Can I just challenge that for a second? You can challenge you. Men don't turn out at the same rates as women. It's really important. Women have a higher rate of turnout. They're more reliable voters. And young women are more left than they've ever. ever been because of a lot of the online hate that they're seeing. So while Timpool may not like this, the majority of men actually do respect women and do like to talk to them. And I think, you know, there is her misogyny? Sure. Why would Timpool not like people to respect women?

What's he said that makes you think that? What did I say to this lady? I mean, I watched his commentary in response to the Kamala. This lady, I have a name. Tim, I've called you your name. You can call me my name. My name is Nomiki Konst. I'm well known. I'm on the internet. You've commented about me before as this lady. So, Tim, you know, I saw your commentary about the manliness ad, and you said that that wasn't manly. That, I don't think that men should be looking to other men to see what's manly. I mean, most heterosexual men want to persuade women

because it's part of their, you know, it's how they live, right? Tim Poole, I'm just questioning why you're defining masculinity and women are because we're the ones. Well, well, it's interesting that you think you should be able to define masculinity, but he can't. Tim, pull, your response? I'm, I don't know why this lady keeps saying my name. I didn't say anything to her. I think I started this off by saying, I agree with the left position

that there is an inherent sexism problem in this country, that actually I'm hearing this for some of the reporters that we have on the street, that they're young men when asked, why they wouldn't support Kamala Harris. They give no reason other than she's just a woman. So I certainly understand why the Harris campaign, Tim Walts and Harris,

and their supporters are making videos trying to tell men, you know, here's how you can be masculine, So in particular, there's a couple ads. There's the white dude for Harris ad, and then there was another one that was put out. I believe it was by support, it's not the campaign officially. And it's Tim Walts ad that were similar. And they're doing these things where they say, like, you know, I can fix a carburetor and I'm not scared of women. These things don't say anything to men.

Now, we believe, I should say the commentary we had on this is that they were female coded advertisements likely written by women for men. I think if you look at the trends that guys follow in terms of media, they're looking at actions. movies. It's rather stereotypical, but there is a lowest common denominator here. So I don't think you are convincing men to vote for women by making commercials where you say, here's how men should act. I don't think you need those arguments for men. I think if there's a struggle with men, I wonder if the issue is not that it's a point of convincing these men, but that you actually just have guys who are sexists. And how you overcome that's a challenge. I don't quite know. but I think when we criticize and mock say a cringe commercial,

it's because it's certainly not the way to do it. Yeah, I think you're right. It depends on who you're trying to target. I mean, if you're trying to target Tim Pool viewers, yeah, probably not. I mean, the far right, I don't think Kamala Harris or any Democrat was ever going to win over. But there are plenty of men who may need permission. What do you mean a Tim Pool viewer? Well, I mean, you have an audience, and the audience is far right.

and over 90% male. So you're saying that you think my audience that agrees with me that there's inherent sexism in this country and racism, and that creates a barrier for Kamala Harris. Those are the viewers you're talking about? No, I'm saying that the folks who listen to your show are not the target audience of these ads.

There are plenty of men out there who may not have really understood when they kept asking things like where is Kamala Harris's plan, even though she said it over and over and over again on the campaign trail. They're using excuses and not understanding that the underlying issue here might be mackie. Hang on. Hang on. Carmela Harris, with the best one in the world, she doesn't have a big plan for what she's going to do. She never thought she'd have to have one. She gets parachuted in

this weird coronation, a completely undemocratic process, by the way, which I don't think served her all the Democrats very well, and I suspect we'll come back and haunt them at the election. But the truth is that Carmelah Harris doesn't seem to have a proper plan. Her plan is to hammer Trump, And that's fine. But I don't think that unlike in 2020, when Biden hit in the basement and did that quite successfully, I don't think just being anti-Trump is enough. Americans are looking for a much bigger picture.

Now, I want to bring in Vajahe. Hang on, hang on, I'll come back to you. I want to bring in Vajahe. About this extraordinary Obama intervention, and I'll play the clip where he was talking directly to black men in America. And you're coming up with all kinds of reasons and excuses to men directly. think that, well, you just aren't feeling the idea of having a woman as president. That seemed quite patronizing to me, Vajah, but I'll play another clip, which is a response

from Lord Jamar, the rapper and record producer, to what he heard from Obama there. I feel that she's so bad that guess what? I might just go f***ing around and vote for Trump. And this is my first time saying this out loud. But y'all my f***es think you're going to shame somebody or bully and shit into. voting for this B. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. And now I'm going to be,

now you're going to make me be Mr. Anti. You keep coming at me with this bullshit. You keep coming at me talking about, oh, it's a shame that you're not supporting a black woman. She's not black. But Jack, I watched

that. And I was interesting, because I think if I was a black American and I'm neither, but if I was, I would have thought that Obama intervention was quite patronizing. Yeah, so you're not a black man and you're going to be probably, if you were a black man, you might be one of the 12% that vote Republican, historically 88% vote Democrat. And it seems like this time around 88% are going to vote Democrat. The same thing happened in 2012.

There was a discussion within black America that some people said, hey, Obama, don't talk down to black men like this because black men will actually support Kamala and don't be swayed by the 12% or the 15% or Lord Jamal, who, by the way, has never voted before. It seems like this is a manufactured controversy. But guess what? I'm glad the one thing we all agree on in this panel. I'm really, I'm being sincere about here, is we all agree that misogyny and racism exists in America. And we all agree that it plays a part.

And we agree. And we should agree that there's a double standard that Kamala Harris, as the first black Indian woman, has to basically overcome. She has to poll vault over this. Meanwhile, Donald Trump has no plans. He's selling black people's shoes. Yesterday, Kamala Harris said, here's my plan for black men. He actually comes up with a comprehensive plan that will actually have. help young black men. And by the way, that is going to resonate. What does Donald Trump do?

Sways to music for 39 minutes, talks about Hannibal Lecter, talks about black jobs, says Kamala Harris has turned black, talks about black criminality in the urban warfare of Detroit, mocks Detroit, a place where he's speaking, a major city in a swing to say he needs to win. This is what he does for black people. He's racist. He hangs out with racist. He supports Nazi talking points. Literally talking about poisoning the blood. And yet, Vajah. He hangs out with Nick Twentis. Just a jump in, Vajah, Vajah. And a racist. Meanwhile, Kamala Harris.

I know. Kamala Harris actually comes up with a plan and you say she has no plan. But just, but, you see, what's interesting. What's interesting to me, Vajah, is despite everything you've just said, Trump's support amongst black Americans, particularly black male Americans, has been rising steadily now for the last two years, which would be apparently inexplicable, given what you've just said. They don't perceive him that way.

And it looks like from the polling that what they really believe is, that Trump will get stuff like the economy done better than Carmelah has proven to have done in the last nearly four years as part of the Biden administration. So you can say as much as you like that he's a disgusting, racist, Nazi, blah, blah, blah, but you can't explain to him

unless you've got a good reason why so many more black men in particular in America are gravitating away from a black candidate to Trump. Peers, there's also so much disinformation. thanks specifically to right-wing media and also, in part, due to Russian influence media that a majority of Republicans believe Trump more than their own pastors, their family members,

and right-wing media. And also, they believe, wait, wait, they believe that Donald Trump won the 2020 election that he lost. This is what we're dealing with. Which is why this election... Hang on, you don't know that, Badja Hat. You have no idea why those people. What do you mean?

You don't know that all the black American men who gravitated to Trump all believe he had that election stolen. I'm not talking about black American men. Well, that was my question to you. I'm talking about disinformation. My specific question for you was, if he's so racist, why are so many more,

excuse me, I've had a man flu. I'm sure you all feel desperately sorry for me. Sure. But you don't explain to him, and you haven't done yet, why is it that his support amongst the black vote in America has been rising pretty consistently now for the last year and a half two years? Why?

Sure. I will say two things. Number one, wait till the election results. I will not be surprised if it comes back to 88, 12, 85, 15, Kamala Trump. Number two, there is misogyny. And there is a misogyny that exists within black communities as well, which is why Obama and others. And some black men didn't like the way he said it. But they're saying, hey, listen, support this candidate.

She is the right candidate. She has the experience. She has the capacity. She will do it right. Misogyny is not just limited to white men or black men or brown men or South Asian men. Unfortunately, it is a global problem, and we're seeing it persist and come out, unfortunately, in this election, because we have a qualified candidate, Kamala Harris, who happens to be a black Indian woman. So they're making the pitch to men, hey, get over your misogyny and choose the right candidate who actually has a plan that will uplift all of us. And hopefully, hopefully, it registers with enough.

I'm going to come to Vinny, but what I would say to that is, is that, again, is extremely patronizing to black Americans who have made gravitated to Trump. you're assuming they're all just ill-informed misogynist. And that is very patronizing. No, I'm not. I'm not saying that. I'll come to Vinnie first and I'll come to you, Tim. Vinny, Vinny, your response to that. One sentence, because I don't want to miss that.

Okay, hang on. Okay, Vinny, wait one state. Tim, you respond. Yeah, go ahead, Tim. From the reporters we've had on the street, when they talk to young black men, they all say they're going to vote for Donald Trump, but then when it comes to,

are you actually going to show up? We're not seeing that in the same amount. it may be talk. I actually agree that the numbers may actually fall in historical lines and we're not going to see this big boost. We always hear it. We never see it. But in relation to why they're gravitating to Trump or saying they are, what are you hearing on that? Well, it seems like Trump is the bad point. Vinnie, I'll come to you one say. I was just going to go off of what Tim said. Vinny, I will come to you one say. I just want Tim to respond on that one point because you talked about talking to these very people. what was the reason that they were giving predominantly for moving to Trump?

I don't think that we're not really hearing good reasons, to be completely honest. The average person isn't hyper-tuned into all the politics, but it seems like, at least from what I've heard, they view Trump as an outsider as a bandit as, you know, a John Dillinger, right? He's outside the machine. He's fighting it. He's a bad boy, and you're bad for supporting him. So if you're a young man and you walk up to your group of dudes and you say, I'm voting for Kamala Harris,

they're going to laugh at you. Because she does not come off like a bad guy who's aggressive and a bully or anything like that. Will this actually translate into people showing up at the polls? I'm not convinced they will. Okay, Vinnie, you're waiting patiently. What do you think of this? Okay, so when you said,

peers, when you said like why the African-American population is starting to lean towards on? The numbers are off, by the way, because we just did it today in the PBD podcast. It was 81% for Obama. It dropped to 70 when it was, Hillary, then it kept decreasing. Kamala is the lowest out of all of them,

and it keeps decreasing. And the Obama rhetoric of, you know what I mean, you're black, if you're not, you have to do this, you have to do this. It's patronizing. Let's not forget why a lot of African-American friends that I have peers, like, you know what? Trump is going through what the government is doing with him,

with the lawfare and the media, making them look bad. They're attracted to that because they know that that's what they've been going through forever. And all this BS rhetoric of Trump is racist. Enough of that. And this guy even talked about Russia, again, with Russia, Russia. It's like, guys, get over it. This identity politics, it ain't working, okay, because the people are waking up, this Hitler, whatever Nazi rhetoric, which I don't think you've learned. People are actually

trying to go after Trump and murder him because the people like you're saying some dumb shit like he's Hitler. Like, you know how disrespectful that is to Jewish people that I know? I have Jewish friends that are enraged because you're saying somebody's Hitler, like he killed millions, of Jews. I think it's stupid as disrespectful. But, Peers, what else do you expect from the Democratic Party? Okay? It's all about identity. It's all about sexism. It's women. It's this is that. Trump wasn't racist until he said he was running for the presidency, okay? And you know what is? People are tired. Guys, do you feel it, peers, all the way in England? People are tired of this B-S Trump as this, Trump is that. I've already gotten four years of him and we were kicking ass until

China unleashed COVID. You know, you know, and if you guys, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Hold on. And I'm almost done, Pierce. And you know what's funny about the left? If they didn't do all this Hunter Biden suppressing laptop BS and COVID and all that, he'd be leaving in three weeks. You'd be done with Trump. All you TDS people out there like our guests, you guys would have been, your hands would have been done. Trump would have been gone. But they had to do all that.

The FBI had to go to Twitter to suppress stories. COVID, everybody had to vote from home. All that BS had to happen. You guys would have been done with him by now. But now you guys want it. You're going to get another four years. I don't care about this polling. The same polling peers

had Hillary winning by 90%. You guys, it's going to be a shocker for you guys. And you're going to have another four more years of TDS. All right. Nemeiki. What do you mean? The polling for Hillary was winning. Hang on, hang on.

Javini, let me get to Nemeke. Here's what I would say. I do think the Trump derangement syndrome is a very real and utterly self-harming thing. The more you scream hysterically about Trump, the more you exaggerate him as the new Hitler and so on, the more it just plays into his hands. it's not true, and B, he uses it to master himself even more as the great underdog railing

against this system, which insists on calling him the new Hitler, which I've always thought is a completely ridiculous thing to do. Before you say it, I know that Vance called him that before, and he was wrong too, right? So using labels like that is completely pointless. I don't think going too hysterical about Trump is the way to beat him. If I was a Democrat, pick him off, pick him off in a smart, intelligent way. But don't just scream. It's like everyone. everyone goes, all the time you mention his name. It doesn't work. That's why he's now neck and neck with your candidate.

There's a broad coalition of folks who are supporting Kamala Harris, as there's a broad coalition of folks who are supporting Donald Trump. Not all of them are loyal MAGA people who would storm the capital like Vinnie here, or paid by Russia like Tim Poole here. But with that being said, Donald Trump yesterday said that he would use... Donald Trump yesterday, can I talk, please? I'll let your response, Tim. Can I speak?

I'm sorry. This is like, you want to know what misogyny is? You want to know what misogyny is? You let my colleague here on the left talk without being interrupted. I am not allowed to speak. Tim? Tim, Tim. Are you on the clock right now for Russia?

I know you get $100,000 a week from Russia and the FBI intervened. So, listen. Because you guys, what you do is you make stuff up and you say my name 50 times because you want the clicks on YouTube. Instead of having a real conversation about the issues are. The FBI, the clicks on YouTube, I don't have a YouTube show, Tim. So that you can do whatever you got to do so you get attention and you get your viral clips. I get it. But it's not constructive.

It's not solving our problems. I have a job, Tim, outside of YouTube. Don't talk over each other because we can't actually hear Tim. Okay. Can I finish? I'm sorry. This is ridiculous, fears. Like, you see what the problem is.

Here's an example of massage. Wait, wait one second. No one can hear you. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on, Namiki. Nobody can hear either of you. Because every time, every time you talk, Tim's mic cuts out, and he's trying to speak to. Let me just get Tim to respond to you first, then I'll come back to you. Hang on the Mickey. Hang on the Mickey. Let him come back to you on what you were saying,

and then you can respond. Tim. I never got to say what I was saying about what he will do. You can answer the question and we can have a substantive conversation on the issues, or you can keep saying my name, pick one. Namiki, what do you want? Guess what? You're not the host. Okay. Donald Trump yesterday said he would use the military. I want to answer the issues, answer the issues.

I know this works for you to talk over women because you're used to an audience of 90% males, but let me speak. Let me speak. If we're talking about misogyny, then maybe we should talk about misogyny and have a woman talk about misogyny. Donald Trump yesterday said that he was going to use the military against political enemies. Donald Trump said that he was going to challenge the election after he already challenged the election. These are things authoritarian do. I'm not using the H word. I'm using authoritarian and what's at risk. When you have Dick Cheney, who I have nothing in common with, you know, siding with Bernie Sanders in this election because they fear that our democratic world is at stake, that the world order as it is, as imperfect and flawed as it is, is at stake because there is foreign interference. Yeah, I do think that's worth mentioning because Trump goes against everything that's pro-America.

He didn't even, you know, he didn't want to support the immigration bill, and he blocked it. you know, inflation began to increase under him. We can't forget that. Manufacturing did not succeed as he promised in 2016 when he ran on that. And no, actually, the economy wasn't better under him. Go look at 2020 economic numbers. And they were horrible. And we have inflation going down. Wall Street is doing better than it's ever been. Wages are up at record rates now, finally. I mean, unemployment is at a record low. This is real, these are real issues. And Kamala is presented. issues to invest in small businesses for to

expand Obamacare which is hurting so many small businesses. I mean, she actually does have an economic plan and Donald Trump is just talking about military against political enemies. But the interesting thing is that despite that big speech you just made, it is completely neck and neck. Trump's ahead in five of the seven key swing states because people simply don't believe that Carmelah Harris

has done a great job of the economy. And when it comes to the southern border, she was the border bizarre, and everyone on the left was quite happy to call of that, right to the point it became a millstone when she got coronated, and they realized it was embarrassing to be having responsibility for such a complete fiasco, whichever side of the divide you're on. Tim, your response now to Namiki. Well, I mean, if we've got issues to discuss in terms of how we can help this country move forward, what we think the issues in the election are, how they're going to affect who votes for Kamala or Trump, I think that's, what we should be talking about. The only reason I began to counter what she was saying was because she keeps bringing me up for some reason and I'm not a politician.

I'm some dude who complains on the internet for a living. Right. Yeah, I think that's perfectly fair response. But it was paid by the Russians, though. That's important to mention. It's just made up. So, you know, Wajahat makes an interesting point about disinformation.

Go on, Tim. Well, no, I think it's fascinating that instead of just saying, is Tim right or wrong, I think actually my opening assessment on this was an inherent misogyny in this country, which is a negative impact on Kamala Harris. For some reason, she just turns it into attack on me and then says it's Russian disinformation. Okay, I don't know what is it. Is there racism and sexism?

Because we're talking about where this misogyny comes from, and there's a lot of disinformation funded by Russia. And I think that's important to mention. And you have a primarily mail order. You know, peers, can I say something? Yeah, it's bringing in Vajaya, yeah. Sure. It's not TDS when General Millie, the former top general who's retired openly said that Donald Trump is a, quote, total fascist. It's not TDS when Donald Trump, literally over the weekend, said he will unleash the military against U.S. citizen.

It's not TDS when Donald Trump last week in Aurora openly said that he will invoke the Alien Sedition Act that interned Japanese Americans during World War II. This is not TDS when he, to this day, refuses, he's been asked multiple times, will you accept the 2024 results? He's not said yes each and every single time. He still does not accept the 2020 results. And he said his words that he will be a dictator for a day and he will terminate the Constitution. It is the failure of corporate media and also social media and also several influential people on YouTube for the past four years have not raised the threat and have done a both side's analysis where we've given Donald Trump a pass and promoted hateful talking points and conspiracy theories. And yes, some individuals and outlets have been paid by Russia.

It has been confirmed. They have been unwitting agents of Russia, whether they realize it or not. Tim Poole and a lot of his friends, unfortunately, this is true. Now, I don't know if Tim knew it. He says he did it, but this is the disinformation that has come out in the past four years, which is why, in part, peers. There is such lack of information and knowledge about the fact. Which is why so many voters think that Donald Trump won the 2020 election. Okay, listen, for the purpose of... Okay, hang on, Tim. Just to be clear, Vajette, it's a two-way street, this rhetoric line that you peddle about this stuff.

Because when you persistently call as the left have for eight years now, Trump, the new Hitler, I'm afraid that is the kind of extreme... I didn't say that word. Well, I'm not saying you did. I'm just saying a lot on the left have. Jay Dianston, his own vice president of... I've already said what I think of that, right? What I'm saying is when they say that about him,

Unfortunately, that is about as extreme as you could possibly be in terms of rhetoric. You're likening him to someone who killed 12 million people, including perpetrating a Holocaust on Jewish people that killed six million of them. And that does lead to derange minds trying to kill him, as we've seen repeatedly in the last three months. So this idea that somehow the Democrats rise above this hyperbolic rhetoric. Anyway, you made an allegation against him there, which is that he was being used by Russia to, to, to, remote disinformation. Tim, your response? So this is the struggle, right? We are beset on all sides with disinformation, and it comes from everybody. Either on purpose or on accident, someone might see a story. They assume it's true.

If someone's only watching MSNBC, they're going to live in a particular world. If someone's only watching Fox News, it's quite the same. The one thing I can say is that I never received a penny from Russia, that what you're referring to, and I hope you guys read the indictment, there's limited things that I can say in this as the victim in what's going on. And so what we're dealing with is three layers of investment through shell companies, a company that I produce a show for received money from another American-based company that, at some point, according to an indictment, allegedly received money from Hungarian shell companies, which came, they allege from Russia. None of this is confirmed. These are all

allegations. And my company has never done business with Russia, nor received money from Russia. These are, this is just not the case. In fact, there's not much I can say as the victim, and we are cooperating with the DOJ, there's not much more to be said. But if you're going to come on a show like this, and then you're going to just repeat these false talking points while accusing others of disinformation without having done the legwork, I've not said anything disrespectful to either of you guys on the panel,

but you keep throwing fake things at me. And I don't know what. I don't know what. In fact, I think I agree with both of you on a lot of what you did say. Instead, I'm sitting here and watch out. This is not directed at you because I actually agree with. you quite a bit on what you've said. But I don't know why I'm the subject of this and why you keep bringing this up while claiming disinformation is a problem and then not doing your not doing research

to figure out what is true or what isn't. Yeah, I think that's a perfectly reasonable response. You receive funding from tenant media. Okay, so yes, the money did flow through several entities. That's called money funneling. And because you can't just take money directly from Russia. I read the indictment. Namiki, do you want, hang on, hang on, amici. Do you have any evidence? that when you say that Tim Pool took money from Russia to spread disinformation, do you have any actual evidence for that? Yes, in the indictment from the DOJ, which anybody can read,

it's a fun read, actually, really fascinating stuff. It said that the money, allegedly the money, had been moved through this investigation, through multiple entities, because you can't, as an American citizen, just get money from Russia, like openly. You can't do that. So RT funneled money into different entities to tenant media, and they were in direct communication.

Tenant media is who was paying Timurton. Paul's company, $100,000 a week. That's not my question. My question was, do you have any evidence that Tim Paul took money from Russia to spread disinformation? Yes or no? And the answer is, you don't. I've read that indictment.

There is no evidence. There is no evidence that he spread disinformation because the Russians were paying him. You know that. I know that. And when you're going to make a big platform on a show like this by saying Tim Paul took money from Russia to spread information, there is no evidence for that.

He took money from Russia. and separate, not to spread disinformation because he spreads disinformation. So that's a very important point. He was a useful idiot in this, the term useful idiot. I'm not calling you an idiot, just to be clear. You mean because he disagrees with him about something? Which disinformation? No, not because he disagrees, but because.

Well, that's a good question. Namiki, hang on, hang on, Namiki. Tim decide to ask a very good question. What specific disinformation has he spread? Well, he was a COVID denier, got COVID on his show, denied COVID regularly and then took Ivermectin, which we all know is not, not something that's usable. Okay. All right, you say that. Tim Poole, your response to that. That's one thing. Hang on. Tim, Tim, Tim, Poo. Never denied COVID, repeatedly rejected Ivermectin, rejected hydroxychlorcan,

urged everybody to go to their doctors, refused Ivermectin when it was prescribed to me. So I don't know what you're talking about. You're making things up. So that seems to me, Namakee, a pretty clear denunciation of what you just said is utter disinformation. I don't ever said Donald Trump won the 2020 election either. I said he lost the day it was announced he lost. And the culture war show to which you're referring, which a production company had a contract with tenant media, which episode are you referring to? The one where we had a talk on the future of video games, the future of neuralink, space travel, the production, right, right. The culture war show is not an overt political show. The culture war show, for instance, yesterday, or I should say

last week, or the week before, we had a mob boss talking on what it was like to be in the mafia you're running casinos. I don't know how a show where we interview various guests on certain ideas like religion has anything to do with the political landscape. But perhaps if you actually read this, you'd also know that the deal was a non-exclusive reproduction license, meaning my production company posted a show everywhere on the internet and Tenet purchased the license for rebroadcast. The show was controlled by a production company and they had no say in it whatsoever.

So if you're saying that a cultural show that interviews priests and scientists is disinformation, you've clearly not read any of this, and you have no idea what you're talking about. Yeah, I think, I'm afraid. I have a way we can all agree. It would seem to me to make you with great respect. You brought a pea-shooter to a gunfight on this one, and you should have been better prepared.

Can we all agree on something? Because Tim's answers are pretty unequivocal. You really should read the indictment because it's a mental gymnastics here. You said plenty of things, and they've all been replied to. Vajah, you want to say something? I think we can all agree, and I hope we all agree, that a hostile foreign nation should not be funneling money and are trying to funnel money to any U.S. media company

to promote its talking points. I think we should all agree on that. Do we all agree on that? I agree on that, Tim? Yes. Absolutely. And so the show Friday was a scientist refuting claims of man-made geoengineing and hurricanes.

I don't know how a show like that is some way political or a talking... Unless NBC airs other shows too. All right. You know what? We've covered this. Let's move on. We're running out of time. I want to play a clip to you, Vinny,

of Donald Trump dancing for half, an hour in Pennsylvania last night. Now, what was interesting is, he had earlier said, you know, he lost his mind and blah, blah, blah, blah. In fact, what happened there, because I checked facts, which I know is a sort of quaint thing to do these days, is that two members of the audience, one after the other, were taken quite badly ill. And as a result,

Trump stopped the Q&A and said, no more questions, but let's play some music. He had a plan to play some music anyway, and he played the music. And I was struck by the Schneider O'Connor part of that because when I spoke to Trump on the phone about a week ago, he was on his plane and in the background was Schneid O'Connor singing, nothing compares to you. Now I know why it was playing in the background on his plane.

So that answered that question. But here's the thing, Vinny. I just think Trump is, whether you love him or hate him, I've always said this, he's a kind of unique character in the political world. And last night was classic Trump. It was completely surprising. it came out of nowhere. It was prompted by two people being sick. But in the end, people scream at him if he does his normal rally stuff. And they scream at him when he plays some lovely music and just sits there dancing without saying anything. This comes back to my thing and your thing about TDS, is that if you scream at Trump for standing there just doing a bit of gyrating to some of the greatest songs ever made in the history of music, there's something wrong with you, isn't it?

39 minutes I mean, Pierce, absolutely not. Listen to me. Donald Trump, love him or hate him, is a freaking rock star. Either you're blind or you just are in complete denial. His rallies are absolutely insane. And I'd love that you said that, peers. The left and all these people talking about,

oh, he just stood there like a crazy person. People were having freaking heart attacks in the audience. So he, out of the kindness of his heart, was just hanging out and playing freaking music. And you know what? He should be happy. Somebody shot him in the freaking head and he survived. Another psycho was trying to kill him at freaking Mar-Lago. And this other guy, I don't know about the third assassination attempt, but they are all trying to kill him.

And no matter what he does, peers, he could have been holding a baby. They would have been complaining and crying about him. And I don't care how much these guests say that they don't have TDS. You think about Donald Trump every single. day. People like me don't think about Barack. I don't think about Kamala. I mean, it's freaking election season, so we have to. But either than that, get on

with it, bro. Nobody wants to hear it. It's all the same talking points. It's all the same BS rhetoric. The guy's dancing to music, and they can't stand that. Like, maybe what else do you want him to do? Well, Vodja, it's a good question. Why are you so appalled by Donald Trump simply

dancing to great music? What's the matter with you? He first and foremost, mocked the man who passed out as he was being carried out on a stretcher, a Trump supporter, he said, lose weight. When he was answering questions, he did, check out the video. Once he was answering questions during the part of the rally, he talked about

Hannibal Lecter. He was asked a simple question about the economy. He talked about hydrogen cars exploding. Then he seemed to just run out of stamina. It's weakened at Bernice. Emperor has no clothes. I'm not part of the Trump cult, folks. That's not what happened. For 39 minutes. Are you calling Donald Trump weekend at Bernie?

Hang on. Hang on, Benny. I mean, you are high priest of disinformation, Badjaat, and you're literally spewing it now. Yes, yes. You know and I know and everybody knows. Everyone knows that Trump stopped the Q&A because two people were taken ill and he moved to doing some music. You know that, I know that. No, wait, wait, wait, no, he stopped for 39 minutes. Then he did not resume. He left. Then, today, in the morning, he canceled his CNBC interview. He has refused to the 60 Minutes interview, has refused to release his medical records, has refused to debate Kamala Harris on CNN, now she's doing a town hall. The man is the oldest man to run for president. He slurred his

words yesterday. He made some word Asian. I don't mean, what he's talking about? He talked about Hannibal Lecter. The guy isn't there, folks. He isn't there. He only mentions Hannibal Lector. He's not going to help you. He mentions Hannibal Lecter in every single speech, and he does it purely to annoy people like you. That's the only reason he does it. No, I think he's because he doesn't understand the word as asylum. I don't think he understands the word in all seriousness. I think he mentions Hannibal Lecter because he does understand

the word asylum. But listen, Pierce, I respect you for doing your best to put lipstick on a pig. I respect you for trying your best to make this king look like he's brilliant. To look like this weak old man to seem like he's a bull. I didn't say any of those things. This was really pathetic last night.

All I said. I know you're trying. Oh, he was dancing to American music. A presidential candidate three weeks before the election doing that is disastrous. You You know it? I know what Republicans don't. I didn't see anything disasters about it at all. Young people. Young people like to see a groovy president.

Yeah, but hold on. How can you in your right mind? And I get, and I get it. I know what you're doing. It's a leftist. You're just, you're spewing the same rhetoric. Weekend at Bernie's, what we saw for four years with Biden, you mean to tell me that were you complaining about Joe Biden and all?

I'm just genuinely curious. Where was your shit talking for Joe Biden? And now your party, your party of democracy, they throw that guy in the trash and then they get a Kamala, which none of you voted for. How do you feel as a Democrat who's all about democracy? You'd even pick this guy. You didn't even pick this girl. Did you pick her? Did you vote for her?

Yeah, I voted for Biden Harris. All right. Yeah, you voted for Biden Harris. Listen, on this point, on this point. Vinny, last thing I'll say, Vinnie, last thing I'll say, Vinny, right now. Donald Trump is the oldest person to ever run for office. You all were after Biden for being the old guy, it's your guy, Donald Trump, and he doesn't have the stamina. And you know what, Vajah?

Are you comparing the cognitive skills? Are you comparing them cognitively? I'm not putting, I'm not putting lipstick on a pig when I say this. Have you ever seen a 78-year-old guy, apart from Mick Jagger, with more energy on a stage than Trump? Seriously. Oh, my gosh. Yes, Bernie Sanders. Have you seen Bernie Sanders?

And I would include Bernie. I would include Bernie. Bernie. Bernie, Mick, and Don. Bernie. I agree with you about Bernie Sanders. He's older, and he's at least cognizant. I mean, the problem with Donald Trump is that when you do watch these rallies and see how folks are leaving them now, I mean, it's amazing that he doesn't have the rallies of the same size, obsessed with the rally size.

We don't care about rally sizes. Come on. I don't see any of that. All right, listen, we're going to leave you here. You're delusional. Final word to Tim, because it's your first time on Uncensored. What do you think is going to happen the next three weeks, Tim? I honestly don't know. I think right now with, there's a perceived polling bias, according to most pollsters that favor Democrats.

Trump's up in all the battlegrounds except Wisconsin. When I hear these conversations and y'all are talking about whether Trump is old or what Biden should or should have done, if Democrats took him out, if Kamala's got word sale or whatever, the only thing I'm thinking of is I just heard that Walgreens is shutting down 1,200 locations, 7-11's shutting down 400, big lots is in trouble. Hooters is preparing for bankruptcy. see. And I'm just thinking that the average person watching this, I have to assume they just turn the volume down or turn it off because I want to know why it is that when I go to the grocery store, I go to Food Lion, my prices are up. I want to know that when I'm buying snacks and food for my office, for my employees, prices are way up. I want to know why everyone's having a hard time, and I'm not hearing any of that here. I'm just, I'm really tired of the Trump is racist or Kamala is, you know, inexperienced. Like, I know I've got my opinions on her. But I'm trying really hard, at least for now in the next couple of weeks, to just say, can we talk about the issues at play that are proposed and stop going at hominem?

Yeah, I completely and utterly agree with you. Great to have you on our sense to Tim. We wanted to talk about the plans. Yesterday said Kamala Harris's plan is successful. Okay. Majority of economists yesterday, Tim, for your audience, majority of economists yesterday just said, compared to both plans, Kamala Harris' plan will help America. You know what? I think we should end with what Tim's sake.

We should basically all agree with what he said at the end. there. That is a point with none of us should disagree with the principle of what Tim said at the end. So thank you all very much indeed for joining me. I appreciate it.