Piers Morgan Uncensored - "You Are a DANGEROUS MAN!" Rabbi Shmuley vs Iceland Protester + Steven Crowder

Episode Date: August 13, 2026

Rabbi Shmuley Boteach found himself in the middle of a firestorm this week after confronting an Icelandic couple who interrupted his vacation on the volcanic island. Shmuley says Samuel Gudmundsson posed as a fan seeking a selfie before surprising him with a political message - 'f*** Israel.' The rabbi posted a video of himself following Gudmundsson and his girlfriend through the streets of Reykjavík, accusing them of antisemitism and vowing to press charges. However, Shmuley’s vigilante gambit has largely backfired in the court of public opinion.  The pair meet again on Uncensored to hash it out - plus Piers Morgan is joined by Steven Crowder to talk fascism, Candace Owens vs Andrew Wilson and more. Piers Morgan Uncensored is proudly independent and sponsored by: Dose - new customers can save 35% on first month of subscription by going to dosedaily.co/PIERS or entering PIERS at checkout Polymarket: AOC third favourite to be President -  https://app.polymarket.us/S8ac/PIERS50 (00:00) Introduction (02:28) Samuel Gudmundsson (10:24) Rabbi Shmuley enters the chat (16:43) Involvement of Gudmundsson’s girlfriend (29:48) Filming people ‘for clicks’ (40:18) Stephen Crowder (52:22) Augusto Pinochet over Zohran Mamdani? (58:06) Avoiding Hitler (01:06:10) Candace Owens versus Andrew Wilson Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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You lied through your teeth and you said, fuck Israel. Fuck who's all fuck the genocide going on. He attacked me in a hate crime. I never touched him in the video. Are you seriously inverting this story from a Jewish victim of the hate crime? It shows the character of this man, and it shows that he will go at any lane to get views. You are a dangerous man, and I will never tell you, God forbid.

That just shows his intentions. Now when you see his intentions. Fascism is immoral, but after knowledge, economically can yield some results. So it's immoral, but sometimes it works. If I have to choose Mumdani or Pinnoschet, I'll go Pinnichet. If it's AOC or Pinnishay, maybe I'd blow my head off. The rabbi and activist Shmuli Bataich

was at the center of a firestorm again this week after chasing down an Icelandic couple who interrupted his vacation on the volcanic island. Schmuli says that Samuel Goodmenson posed as a fan who wanted a selfie before surprising him with a political message, or the word fuck Israel, to be exact. The rabbi posted a video in which he followed Goodmansson

and his girlfriend through the streets. He accused him of anti-Semitism and vowed to press charges. I told you it was on the phone. I told you I didn't want to interrupt and you said, you just want, you said to my Rochuli, you said that you are a big fan, you lied through your teeth and then you said, fuck Israel. Why would you do that? How many times?

Fuck Israel. Fuck Israel, fuck the genocide going on. Stay again. It's nothing to do with that and you know it. Let him speak. History will not favor the genocide that you are behind. What do you mean she has nothing to do with this? You walk over to you.

We have freedom of speech. You do. We have freedom of speech. Correct. You can walk up. I will say fuck Israel the whole day. This is my country. Welcome to my country.

This is this is the face of hatred. Anti-Semitism. It's the face of Jew hatred. It's the face of what we've faced in 2,000 years. Or Schooley's vigilante gambit has so far mostly backfired in the court of public opinion. The statement, fuck Israel is considered rude in Iceland, but it's not illegal. Iceland's government takes a hardline stance on the Gaza war. It was among the first to join the genocide and war crimes case against Israel and Netanyahu

in the international criminal court. It has recognized a sovereign Palestinian state at the UN since 2011, and some of the country have praised Samuel Goodmanson by his Nordic stoicism. Well, he joins me now. Samuel Goodmanson, welcome to Unsense. Thank you very much for having me, Piers. It's a pleasure. Well, it's good to have you. This story has got a lot of attention, not just in Iceland, but also now around the world,

as the video clips have gone viral. I want to play a clip that you yourself recorded of your perspective on this. Let's take a look. I don't know. Excuse me. Sorry, I'm not from here, and I have no idea. No, no, I... Are you rabbi's movie?

I am. How'd you know that? I'm a huge fan, then. That's amazing. Can I just get... Can you wait one second because I'm going to call with an attorney if there's one second? Okay, can I just, I'm just on a video like already? Can I just do a shout out or something? Can I just...

But I'm a... You got to give me a second. Okay, we're just walking by. We're just... What do you want to do? No, just if I can get you... Yeah, I can do something, but I'm on the frame. Okay, is it okay? Yep.

Okay. Fuck Israel. Okay. Fuck Israel, man. Welcome to Iceland. Now, I'm going to come to the way that Rabbi Shmuli responded to this in a moment, but just on the face of... it. You know, going up to somebody in the street and saying, fuck their country in the way that you

did, do you accept that was a very provocative thing to do? Of course. That was the point. And what was the exact point you wanted to make? To show a supporter of genocide and his son that's actively participating in such genocide that us Icelanders don't pay kindly to that. But I mean, let me give you an analogy, which is I was a big protester against the Iraq war, for example, when my British government went to war in Iraq in 2003. But if somebody had come up to me in the street, regardless of what side of the debate they were on, and said, fuck Britain, I'd have been extremely angry with that person because they were basically telling an entire country,

fuck you rather than individuals like a prime minister, a government, or so on. Do you accept them by just saying, fuck Israel, you were taking a blanket offensive term, which almost every Israeli I know would be offended by? Absolutely, because the current state of the state of Israel is an unjust state and internationally condemned and content in international court of justice that they are actively participating in war crimes and genocide and it has nothing to do with an individual or anything i know plenty of israelis are against these current state of affairs so yes of course it's a generalization but yes that's how it that's how it works if uh if that's the current

state of things. Rabbi Shmooley accused you of hating Jews of being anti-Semitic. What do you say particularly about that charge? It's complete nonsense and it's a cheap shot he would take and it's I don't know why he had to go there like he could have said I was rude or or a whole plethora of things but I guess he wanted to take it. below the belt shaft and he even accuses me in the in the post in the caption in the video itself of me saying these things and it's categorically false because the whole event was recorded it's like he says he says I said fuck Jews he says I put my arm around him I never touched them in the video he multiple

times try to walk into me you know on the while trying to chase my girlfriend up and down the street but yes I mean I mean, it's, I expect, I know of him before this event. I knew who this guy was, obviously. That's why I wanted to up to. I know he's provocative. He's evangelical with these things, and he has no problem, you know, being libelous or no matter the consequences, he has no problem being dishonest.

And I don't like that. What followed after this was Rabbi Shmooley pursuing you and your girlfriend, the streets with his son in the background for at least 10 minutes. It was pretty aggressive. Many people viewed it as harassment, particularly given the way that your girlfriend was responding. She looked very intimidated by what was happening. You know, what was her feeling as this was happening?

She was very fearful and embarrassed, first and foremost, that just to be on camera, camera shack and and she didn't she barely knew who he was I gave her like a quick uh intro to him just before I I walked up to him I told him what I think of him and what he's responsible for and what he stands for and she had nothing to do with it she stood away from us when I went up to and took the initial video and and she should have uh not been a part of this because she had nothing to do with his and uh I get if if he wanted to imply that she was a part of of it by proxy or something, but chasing her down the street and avoiding me and his IDF son, also chasing her, is completely despicable.

And it shows the character of this man, and it shows that he will go at any length to get views or some kind of reaction. And but yeah, I'm very proud of her for staying strong. She told me she wanted to cry, but she didn't. she didn't. She's too strong. And did she have any problem after this incident when you went off together? Did she have any problem with the fact that you had started this? Because obviously if you hadn't said, fuck Israel to Rabbi Shmuli, none of what happened afterwards would have would have occurred.

Of course it was the awkwardness of the whole situation. But ultimately, she was glad that I did the right thing. I was super glad I did the right thing because I, of course, knew more. much more about this guy than she did. But, yeah, she was ultimately, like, excited that when I told her more about this and she's been getting positive messages, she's been getting praise from her colleagues at work. And, yeah, it couldn't have turned out better in the end. Support for Rumsendantzance.

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for 35% off your first month's subscription. Well, let's hear from Rabbi Shmooley, who is joining us now. He's been listening to that interview. Rabbi Shmuli, welcome back to Unsensored. What do you have to say to Samuel Goodmanson? You know, Pierce, respectfully, you and I have been friends for many years, and thank you for having me on your show again. Pierce, are you seriously inverting this story from a Jewish victim of a hate crime who could not have been more pleasant to an Icelandic man who came over and admits that he lied.

Fraudulently misled me and said, I'm a huge fan. I said, I'm on the phone with an attorney. We pay for hours by the attorney. you know, I said, give me five minutes. And he said, but I'm leaving now. And I have to do it now. And he takes the camera and he says, F, Israel. I'm not going to use his vulgarity because I'm not a vulgar person.

He attacked me in a hate crime. And the fact that he now admits that he dragged his poor girlfriend into this shows he's also a misogynist. So we have a self-admitted liar who posted the video of his fraudulence and his lie. All the anti-Semites have to always use. deceptive tactics. He then sparked a wave of harassment and attacks against me and my children and my one-year-old grandson that hit probably 30 or 40. They were all documented, have been watched by tens of millions of people the world over. Now, I'm going to prove in the space of a single question that Samuel, who has a biblical Hebrew name, interesting enough, it's my name, Shulah is

Samuel and Hebrew, that he could not care less about a false genocide in Gaza. That's not happening. 400,000 Arabs in Gaza when Israel took over in 67 through a defense of war. There are now 2 million. How does a genocide increase the population five times their amount before? It's fraudulent. But I'm going to prove that you couldn't care less, Samuel, about Arabs. Samuel, how many Palestinian refugees since the 2008 Civil War in Syria and October 7th? And what you call it, how many Syrian refugees, how many Palestinian Arab Muslim refugees as your country,

only has 350,000 people in a country five times the size of Israel taken in as migrants, as refugees, to give them safety. How many? Are you going to do your same little point you made in the Facebook video before? I am asking you, since you say that it's a genocide and you want to, it's not that you hate, it's not that you hate shoes, you care about Pelsdenian life. Your country is empty. People can drive it from end to end. There's only 350,000 people in the country. What does this have to do with anything? No, no, no, no. And the answer, And the answer, and he won't answer. The answer is because he doesn't know.

Two hundred hell is. Let him answer. Go ahead. How much newly? You've asked a question. He won't answer. He's saying it's nothing to do. Go ahead.

Well, let him answer. Let him answer. Yes. Yes. Because your opinion of whether a lot or a few came in will either be negative or positive. And that's up to you. I don't know. No, no.

No, Pierce. He answered. He doesn't know. He doesn't know. He spoke for 10 minutes. Let him answer the question. Let him answer the question. Let him answer.

Let him answer. No, Rabbi Smooley. I will decide who speaks. Let him answer properly. Then you can respond. Okay. How should you feel the need as migrants from its own land? They feel the need to leave their homeland because of your war of regression and expansion in Israel?

You answer that question. May I help continue, please, first? Pierce, may I now continue, please? Or you're going to get, okay, now, Iceland has taken in 200 Palestinians over the past nearly 20 years, 200. They could fit into this building. Iceland only has 2,000 Muslim residents in the entire country. Iceland tried to ban circumcision. It would have made it a criminal act, and it was seen not as anti-Semitic.

It was seen as Iceland not wanting Muslims, because Muslims are even much more insistent. Iceland doesn't allow Muslims. We were here for the past two weeks. We saw five black faces in the entire country. Everyone knows it is statistically the most white homogenous country on earth. So it has for Iceland to start virtue signaling, we allow no blacks, no Muslims, no Palestinian refugees, no Islamic refugees. White people alone are allowed into this country.

But we're going to choose one route to demonize, harass on the streets, attack them and call them baby killers. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I have one final point. I have a question for you. I have a question. I have one final point. I am not Israeli.

I'm an American. My country protected Samuel's country for 50 years. They don't have an army. They don't spend. No, I do not. You're a liar. I'm not of Israeli citizenship. You are an absolute fraudulent liar.

I'm an American citizen. You invented that in the same way you lie that you're a fan of mine. I'm an American. My country spent 50 years defending your country. And, and, and, and, and, and, Pierce, let me tell you one final thing. You're British citizens. Your country, Pierce, your country illegally invaded Iceland in April of 1941 because they feared that the Germans would take over Iceland.

Your country did that. Your great prime minister who you praised is the greatest state. And then finally, now one second, and it was April 1941. It was 1940. Fierce, fierce, fierce, fierce. Pierce, fine, 1940, Pierce, finally, finally. Pierce, Winston Churchill, who I, like you, consider the greatest states in the 20th century,

killed one million German and Italian children in the Second World War. Now, let's say you as a celebrity, come to Iceland, and they walk over to you, Samuel, says, Pierce, I am such a fan. Can I take a picture? And then he looks at you in the face and said, you effing baby killer, effing Britain,

you killed a million German children. What you would think is two things, eh? This is how you treat your guests when 10% of your entire economy is dependent on... All right, let me respond. Let me respond. And... All right.

A lot of words. I need to speak. I need to speak. I need to speak. I need to speak. I want to focus specifically on this incident that everyone's been talking about and has watched. And my point to you, Rabbi Shrewd, is not that you shouldn't have been offended, if not outrage by what happened here.

It's quite clear. Samuel did go up, pretend to be a fan, and then said, fuck Israel. on camera so that he could have a moment at your expense. I completely agree with you. I would have probably reacted badly too if someone did that to me. They have done it to me over the years, often completely erroneously

because they think my position on something is not what it is. But anyway, that's the fate of being in public life. I have two thoughts about what you've been saying and what I've seen. One is, if Iceland's that bad, why have you gone there on vacation? And secondly, I would say to you

that your behaviour in the 10 minutes that followed Samuel saying, fuck Israel, was outrageous because there was a young woman clearly very intimidated by what you were doing, didn't want to be on camera, she had nothing to do with this, she didn't say anything to you, and I thought your continued harassment

with her there looking intimidated and scared, and as Samuel said, close to tears, I think was reprehensible. Two things could be true at the same time. Pierce, I'm a man. that you would invert this, that a victim of an anti-Semitic hate crime is now the harasser. This is always a story of the Jews. You're an eternal virgin.

It wasn't of anti-Semitic hate crime. Where was the anti-Semitic hate crime? I am allowed. You asked me. Where was the anti-Semitic hate crime? Let me respond. Where was the anti-Semitic? Let me respond.

October 7th, Israel is attacked. Women have their breasts cut off. Terrorists are playing volleyball with their breasts, shooting them in their vagina. Where was he? And when Israel protects itself, of course, it's also the aggressor and guilty of genocide. A rabbi is walking, which is one-year-old. A rabbi is walking with his one-year-old grandson and with his four children. A man comes in lies and says I'm a fan.

He says, F, Israel, I won't say any word, because I'm not older. I've accepted that. Where was his anti-Semitic? His girlfriend stood with him the entire time. You should be pointing a finger at a misogynist who admits that he did not. Where was he anti-Semitic? Going over to an. to an American Jewish citizen in middle of the street and harassing and making them feel very

unsafe and attacking them when they were alone and don't know and saying F Israel to your face that is anti-semitism pure and simple no it's not you're a British man and if they walk over and say no if they say to you know here's churchill killed a million Rabbi Shmooley, let me stop you there. It was harassing. It was a critic. I'm disappointed in you. I really am.

Wait a minute. Can you, okay. You know what? I don't care. F Israel is not a criticism. F Israel is an attack on Jews. Saying? Let me talk, please.

No, it's not an attack on Jews. No, it's not an attack on Jews. No, it's not an attack on Jews. No, you accused him of being a Jew hater and of being anti-Semitic. Nothing I've seen in these videos. Because he came over and locked in and said I'm a fan or anti-Israeli. And it happened 40 times while we're here.

And the reason I'm here is because I love this country, okay? Then let him walk over and say, can I say respectfully say I don't like you. Yeah. Yeah, just to be clear, it's fine. You could, all right, I'll let Samuel respond. Samuel respond. I'm sorry. Yeah, it shows the nature of your thinking and also in the grander scheme of the nature of the nature of your warfare.

for a man to approach you and you and your son, two men, one of them an IDF soldier, chasing down my girlfriend and largely ignoring me, pushing into me to get to her with the camera. You lie that I touch you. You are lying through your teeth. You are lying through your teeth. You are an anti-Semlight who are arrested on this tweet,

who lied and said you're a fan, and we did not follow your girlfriend. We followed you. You were with her the entire time. You admitted that you lied to her and said that you are your own video, buddy. You, you and now you're saying she was proud of you. You just said she's proud that you attack me. I am sorry.

I am sorry. Pierce American tourists who my taxpayer money kept this country safe for 80 years since the Cold War. My money, they don't spend $1 on defense. I am an American tourist. I deserve to be treated with a simple respect. Yeah, but you also live, you also live. Not harassed. Rabbi Smooley.

Rabbi Smooley. Rabbi Smooley. You also live in a free... Hang on one second. All three of us, Iceland, UK, America, all live in free democratic societies. If Samuel Goodmanson wants to say, fuck Israel, he's legally allowed to say it.

I wouldn't say it. Is he allowed to harass me on the street with my one-year-old... Let me finish talking. Let me finish talking, right? So I understand why you would be angry, but it doesn't justify the way that you harassed his girlfriend for 10 minutes. So I did not harassing girl, but this girl.

I'm sorry. You did. That is your, that is your, that is your, that is your four. You are very long. And you've accused him. And you've accused him. And you. Let's be clear.

Let's be clear. No, let me finish my point. Let me finish my point. Not only did you are blaming the victim. You are blaming the victim. No, oh, shut up. You are blaming the victim. You are blaming the victim.

You are blaming the victim. You have a. You have accused Samuel of being anti-Semitic and of hating Jews. Nothing that he has said either in those video clips or here on this program says that he is anti-Semitic or hates Jews. He just opposes what Israel has been doing in Gaza. And by the way, which is what? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Wait a minute.

Two-thirds of your own country, the United States now have a negative view of what Israel, a state of Israel, has been doing in Gaza. His opinion is not an outlier. You know that Israel's popularity around the world has been plummeting because of the actions of Benjamin Netanyahu and his government. So the idea that because somebody criticizes Israel or the Israeli government, they are automatically Jew haters or anti-Semitic, as you have tried to frame this, is outrageous and completely wrong. He is not from anything I've heard, anti-Semitic or anti-Jewish. I say that. May I respond? May I respond? You've got nothing but respond. No, no, excuse me. You asked me why it came to Iceland. I love this country. Its external beauty is unmatched.

It should be, it should be actually reflected with an internal beauty. Are you aware, Pierce, that Iceland from 2006, 2016, had an Israeli first lady named Dorit Maasai, who was more popular, even than her husband, the president. This country once loved you, Even though they only allowed eight Jews in during the entire Holocaust, they were under Denmark and controlled. What's it going to do with Jews? Wait, wait a second. Wait a second.

Wait a second. Wait a second. Wait a second. You're not letting me speak. You're not letting me speak. Israel, Isra accusing Israel the only Jewish state in the world of a genocide. When this country, this past Sunday, March for LGBTQ rights,

where Hamas takes gay men and castrates them, where Hamas takes a teenage group, and has their brothers killed them for having a girl for them. But Hamas had not had, where Hamas has not had, Hamas has not had, what was that one or two days after this? Where Hamas, excuse me,

where Hamas has not had elections, 2006, where Mahmoud Abbas himself, the head of the Palestinians, is afraid, is afraid to go to God and it's not been there since 2006. You're a perpetual victim, you're a perpetual victim, you want, you want Jews,

You want to die without defense. Now, as far as a war there, as far as a war. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Right. Now you're attacking gay people.

Now you're attacking a gay people. You cannot say he just said he wants choose to die. You've lost your mind man. What are you talking about? No, I said he doesn't want choose to defend themselves. It's the same thing like in the Second World War. You said you're a story. You said you want you.

You say you are. You said he wants Jews to die. Excuse me. I said he wants Jews to be attacked. You said he wants Jews to die. Without, that's right. You said he wants Jews to die. I heard you.

Let me be, let me be clear. I heard you say what you said. Let me be clear. Don't lie about it. We all heard what you say. This is an outrageous time. Without an IDF, Jews will die. Hamas has a constitution that calls for a second Holocaust of all the Jewish people.

an IDF. Yeah, no one's defending Hamas. Why are you talking about him? About everything else is saying that Israel cannot defend itself in Gaza. What is going on? It is Hamas that uses children as human shield. And by the way, nobody's saying that. A final comment.

Nobody's saying that. It's a clearly two on one debate. I don't mind. I've had worse thoughts. Your, what president is up around? Like, come on. Your country, your country, Pierce, had a five to one civilian to combatant death ratio in the Second World War. Churchill killed five German civilians for every one

Varumach soldier. Israel has killed one to one, one civilian to one. How do you know that? How do you know that? You know that because I've debated this on your show 10,000 times. No, these numbers have not been, established. Yes, they have. And I've done this numbers have not been established. No, they haven't. No, they haven't. No, they haven't. I'm asking you. It's an absolute lie. You have. You have a lot. You have. have no idea it is one-on-one. You've no idea. You've just invented, you've invented that number. You've invented that number.

Even according to the government. And the reason we don't know, and the reason, and the reason, the reason we don't know exactly, the reason we don't, the reason we don't, the reason we don't, the reason we don't, the reason we don't, reason we don't know why, how many civilians are dying Gaza. It's because 80% of Gaza got leveled to the ground. and the Israeli government will not let international journalists into Gaza to do their jobs,

despite their being supposed ceasefire for many months. That is a fraudulent law. CNN and Fox News. It is not a lie. The New York Times has been in Gaza. It's not a, no. The AP has been in Gaza. No, no.

No. Stop lying. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You are not telling the truth. Stop lying. Stop lying.

The only journalists, the only journalists who've been allowed into Gaza have been embedded with the IDF. I want international media, given there's a ceasefire, to be allowed to operate, free to be allowed to be, well, you know what, you know what, the IDF has killed over 200 Palestinian journalists and tries to pretend they're all Hamas. No, no, no, no, no, no.

So I'm afraid there's a lot of disinformation flying around it. That is a lie. That is a law. That's a fact. That's a fact. That's a fact. That's a fact. That's a fact.

That's a fact. Oh, shut up about your blood libel. Let me bring him. Let me bring in Samuel. All right, can we mute Rabbi's million a minute, please? I have an idea. I'm connected to a minute. I want to give Samuel the chart to speak.

Mutting him, please. Be good. Come on. Thank you. Okay, Samuel, I've muted him. So we can't hear him now. Samuel, what do you want to say? I'll let you have the final word.

It's crazy that he's still playing the victim. 70,000 Palestinian has killed, uninhabitable for over 2 million people. The damage is all. Damage is already done. They're already almost at their final stage. They've wiped out Gaza. They've turned it into a wasteland, and they're talking about rebuilding it as a hotel resort.

You know, what a life for a person to, if they even survive, that they can work in a hotel as a housekeeping or maybe at the desk in the land where they once lived. And you can see this man is proud of this. And you can see that this man is completely incredulous. And he does not have any sympathy. It does not have any morals. And that is the reason why it drives people at the other side of the world in Iceland. People of good moral conscience here in Iceland.

We're a strong, independent, and moral people. It drives us to say, we don't like this, and we're going to say something about it. And that's why you have us, we were at the forefront. front and oh okay sorry sorry no no listen I appreciate you coming on may I respond may I respond yes I've unmuted you I've unmuted you but what I want to play you is a this is a mash up of your confrontations with members of the public in various countries let's take a look

wait wait wait guys guys why are you running away what you say yo how you fuck you you go you Do you think you could dress like this in Palestine? No, no, no, no. Jesus is my fellow Jew. I wrote a book called Kosher Jesus. You know what the most of the book. This coward, disgusting anti-Semite,

said in front of the entire public that I am a power broker for Jeffrey Epstein. You recognize me from Pierce Morgan? You said you don't agree with my views about what? You know Michael Jackson. Your president, is that you support Argentina? Javier Miele loves Israel? Ha, Virmier Mee Leigh loves Israel. loves Israel.

No. Avié Miele loves Israel. He never loved Israel. Because you walked over to me and started dreaming free Palestine because I'm where are you? How is it that a British man is allowed to walk over to a Jew and an anti-Semite walks over, attacks a Jew at an airport? How does he have a visa here? Now I would put it to you, Rabbi Shmuli, that you love this stuff.

It gives you a lot of attention, a lot of clips, and that often you go out of your way to harass people whilst playing the victim. And I don't understand what you. why you need to do that. It's a free country. People want to say what they want to say. Fine, let him. I have an argument with them. Fine. But to film yourself going after people in the streets around the world constantly, you're clearly doing this for clicks. You're doing it for, you know, to be, you know, popular, whatever you think you're being. I looked at the comments under your post where you posted this encounter with Samuel.

I don't know whether you've had a chance to read them. They are unrelenting. hostile and negative to you. And these are people largely you follow you on social media. At some point, the penny should drop Rabbi Shmouli, that yes, it's not nice when people come up and say, fuck Israel to you, but that doesn't make them anti-Semitic. It doesn't make them a Jew hater. It means they don't like what the Israeli government is doing right now. And by the way, nor do most people around the world, actually, according to all the polls.

So to try and conflate criticism of a state or a state or against the government. government with Jew hating or anti-Semitism, I think is one of the laziest tropes and most insidious tropes out there right now. Nothing Samuel has said makes me think he hates Jewish people or is anti-Semitic. He just doesn't like what Israel's doing in Gaza and other places and nor do a lot of people. So you can have a problem with him being rude to you and I agree with you. But the way you went after him for 10 minutes, the way that his girlfriend was clearly very upset, intimidated and felt harassed by you, you would do that with impunity and be proud of it. And we just showed a mashup of you doing this relentlessly.

Makes me think you're doing this for publicity and clicks and playing the victim card. And I just don't think you need to do that. It's Machiavellian. May I respond? May I respond? Let him respond. Let him respond. Let him respond, Samuel.

You know, you know, Pierce, this is a sad date. this is this is a sad day for you personally i'll tell you why because no i didn't call you you no well you now you won't even let me speak will you let me speak this is a sad day for you yeah personally here's first of all you get a thousand times more negative message you get a thousand times more negative messages on your feeds than i do orders of magnitude but i like you because you don't care what people say neither do i i will stand for righteousness don't bring up up what people comment i couldn't care less number number two your producers call me your produce you Your producers called me to be on the shows.

Don't talk to me about clickbait. You're using this for clickbait. Number three, I only film people who threaten my life or attack me, like some of the clips you showed. I was physically assaulted in Vienna by two of my Palestinian brothers and sisters. I was physically attacked in Florida and a hotel where a man said, I'm going to take you out and threatened to kill me and call me a baby killer. Jews have been called baby killers beginning in your country in Norwich,

going back a thousand years when we were accused of drinking the blue. lot of Christians. There have been many, many decent Icelanders who have issues with the policies of the Israeli government, which they should, because Israel's a democracy, and I've walked over and said, I'm ashamed at Samuel. I'm ashamed at my country. The man who set up this interview for your people you hired wrote to me saying, I am ashamed of the way my country has treated you. Samuel opened a can of words from my one-year-old grandson and my four children to be harassed, attacked, assaulted, fear for our lives. I can't walk down the street. What did you do when you post in the face of my girlfriend?

And the only, and I'm not a violent man. I'm not a violent man. I have not a, I have never touched anyone. I have no. The only, excuse me, the only, excuse me, the only defense I have, the only defense. The only defense I have, he won't even, he won't, the only defense I didn't even have. The only defense I had my girlfriend. He was going to find her family.

The only defense I have, Pierce. I'm still answering hundreds of positive messages. The only, the only, the only, the only defense. Because there are that many anti-summits in the world, sadly. But let me tell you something, Pierce. The only defense I have, it's something that we Americans call, you only met him, but you knew him, this is a two-on-one. Can I respond to your question?

Or will you not meet him? American. Don't be a two-on-one one. I'm not even speaking. The only defense I have is something. called the First Amendment enshrined in my Constitution to record or film or respond to an absolute tsunami and wave of Jewish tourists being assaulted in Barcelona two days ago, being attacked in Athens three days ago.

There's a couple missing in Austria, a Jewish woman. Jewish tourists are being assaulted. Now let me make one point. I'm not Israeli, I'm American. My taxpayers gives this man the right to speak freely for the past 80s. the past 80 years. And let me tell you what he's doing. He might say that a couple of people will write to him. He is destroying tourism. I have, I have received tens of thousands of messages

Americans saying, we will not go to this country that Iceland calls... Oh, what a load of crap. They call him, they call Trump, they call Trump Hitler. No, this is a chat on American Jews, not Israelis. I'm going to give the final word to Samuel. So, so. Final word to Samuel. Of course you will, because he... Because this has been a tag game from day one. No, because you've been talking. You've had twice the air time that he's had. You've had twice the airtime that he's had.

Samuel, final word to you. Let me ask you, Rabbi, are you still in the country? Hey, y'all, it's Kelly Clarkson with Wayfair. Ever order furniture online and wonder what if? Like, what if it doesn't hold up? That sofa was four days old. You should have ordered from Wayfair. With Wayfair, there's no what if.

Just style you love and quality you can trust. Visit Wayfair.ca. every home that is none of your business do you want your friends to come and beat me up okay okay okay do you want your friends to come and harass me how dear you ask that you are a dangerous man and i will never tell you god forbid let me uh let me see you know his intentions now you clearly see his intentions how disgusting a question let me are you the prime minister of vice to evict me are you the police you know in my country impersonating the police is a Let's talk about police.

Can you meet Rabbi Shulay, so I can hear the last word, please. Rabbi, be good. Let me finish. Meet Rabbi Shul again so I can listen to Samuel. All right, Samuel, final word. This question is because the international court of justice, of course, is an ongoing investigation started by South Africa, I believe, accusing Israel of war crimes.

Now, war crimes have an international response that they apply internationally, and they should be treated as such and they should be punished as such. Now, recently, quite recently, I don't know the exact date, Icelandic criminal law became intertwined with international war crime laws, meaning that if you are suspected of committing a war crime, aka a genocide, you can be arrested in our country. So that's why I asked, because if you're not out already, I would take your IDFs on and get the hell out while we still can't,

before cops get wise to you. May I respond, please? May I respond? May I respond? Go on? May I respond? Samuel, you should read the news some time. The ICC prosecutor who brought those charges against Israel, which are charges, it's not a trial. His name is Karam Khan.

He was fired and suspended by the ICC. Excuse me. He won't let me respond. Karim Khan. You don't arrest someone after the trial. The president was arrested by the ICC. and he was and he was arrested and sorry he was forced to resign for what you do he he sex he abused a woman and she came forward on CNN and he was fired and it was okay i'm gonna leave it your girlfriend when you did to your girlfriend and involving her in a hate crime without

talking about my girlfriend is misogyny female abuse and i feel sorry for her i feel sorry for actually that's outrageous it's out it's outrageous it's actually what you did to his girl friend, that's the problem. No. Anyway, I'm going to leave it there. I think you. Yeah, it's my opinion. From the first second. It's my opinion.

It's a two on one debate. I've had worse odds. And I'm protected. To quote somebody a little earlier, I'm protected by my first amendment rights to have my opinion. And I'm going to stick to it. Actually, actually, actually, you're British.

I'm going to leave. No, that's it. Actually, no, that means you don't understand your own country's law. Because when I'm here in the United States, United States. I am protected by your First Amendment rights. Are you in the United States? Exactly the same as you.

I thought you brought up from London. I'm in Los Angeles. And say that. I mean Los Angeles. Thank God. Thank God you are now protected by American rights. You are very lucky because in Britain, I'm glad.

I'm glad. I'm glad. I'm glad. I'm glad. I'm glad I had a chance to explain your constitutional rights to you. Thank you both very much indeed. A lot of hot air has again been expended this week on Hassan Pikes' fondness for Chem.

and Mao on the rise of socialism in America. Not to be left out, Stephen Crowder recently responded from the right with a segment entitled The Case for Fascism. And he's alone. Commentators like Jack Posobic reacted to the Spanish migrant crisis at the Moroccan border by cheering for the fascist dictator General Franco, who it should be said, used a Moroccan army to defeat Republicans in a Spanish civil war. So has the plot finally been lost on both sides of the aisle, or have we been blinded by heatstroke? to a bit of sizzling summer sarcasm. Well, Stephen Crowder, host of Loudup with Crowder,

joins me now. Stephen, welcome back to Uncensor. Thank you very much. By the way, I checked up your tea recipe, so this is four bags of Yorkshire gold, and that's too much. Yes. No, you know what?

You need to have it in a pot. You don't put it, obviously, four bags in a cup. You need a pot, a big teapot, and it's four bags. It's four bags. Yeah, four bags. Americans... All right, all right.

Fascism. Americans always make their tea too weak, which is strange because you like to portray yourselves as the strongest country. Strongest country in the world, weakest tea. I'm trying to help me. You go to a place like a coffee shop and you say, hey, I want some tea. And they say, what size? You say small, medium, large. They just give you one bag, which I think is a crime and they should be executed,

which brings us back to fascism. Now, I can't work out if you're basically doing a massive troll. with this fascism thing, or there is a legitimately, uh, well, a legitimate point you're making as an antidote to the rising support for socialism stroke communism that you genuinely believe we'd be better off with fascism. So it just outlined for me simply what your premise is. Yeah. So the premise of the, and just to be clear, in that segment, I said, I am not advocating for fascism, by the way. And the problem with fascism,

is unlike socialism, right, which is basically it stems from Marxism, it's tough to define and certainly the way that the left defines it. They say Donald Trump is a fascist. When I was in college, we spent a whole, I don't know, a whole month on Pinnichet. And then when I love them, wait a second, we never learned what preceded it. And so what I was discussing there was once you reach communism, socialism, you can't vote your way out. And so it's really easy to point to fascism using the left's definition, which is pretty much every time people do things that they don't like to prevent.

communism from subverting a nation, and not acknowledge what preceded it. Pinochet is a good example. Again, not saying I'm all in on Pinnishay, but we never talk about Allende, what preceded it. And so fascism is immoral, by the way. It is immoral because any time you basically enslave the person to the state, that's immoral. But fascism, we have to acknowledge economically can yield some results. So it's immoral, but sometimes it works. Socialism is equally immoral, and it never works.

And so that's the reason that you see the response. And so the radical push towards socialism, Marxism, will necessitate what the left fears most, the strong man, what they view as fascism. No, I'm not a fascist. You mentioned Pinochet there. So we had a little look at Pinnishet. I was broadly aware of what happened on his watch. But you said, sure, some communists went for helicopter rides and they've never seen again. But if you weren't a communist, you weren't a great threat. Now, the official reports compiled after the return to democracy, such as the RETIG report and the VALIC report,

demonstrate that the regime cast a very wide net, not just communists. Victims were chosen based on perceived dissent or simple association rather than actual political status. They included Labour Union leaders, academics, artists, Christian Democrats. And according to the official Chilean human rights records, over 150 children and teenagers under the... age of 18 were killed or forcibly disappeared by the secret police. So to simply say that Pinnisset

only went after the commies is not accurate. Well, I didn't say he only. I said primarily, and I stand by that. He did primarily. And again, if you talk about labor unions, we talked about this later in the week, McCarthy and looking at those who were active members of the Communist Party in labor unions, including the screenwriters unions, they were one and the same in many ways. And if you look at the media and you look at Alende and the silencing and the execution of dissent, It went both ways. Only one had economic yield, and one was subjugating the entire population. Both are immoral. The point is, I only learned about Pinochet. I didn't learn about Alende. And we can go through other examples, whether it's Franco or Banzor. And we did that in the show. I'm not a fascist. I don't think fascism works. I don't think that it's moral. And socialism is certainly immoral and doesn't work. The difference is, in this country right now, we are facing one threat that openly extols, brags about the platform of socialism. the DSA and these candidates who want to basically take over the largest corporations. They want public ownership.

They want to seize the means of production, distribution. I mean, I have their policy right in front of me, and it's absolutely, not just absurd, incredibly dangerous, and it has support from a lot of younger people. Socialism no longer has the same stigma as fascism does. That's why I think it's important. I mean, literally, the DSA says, establish public ownership of the largest corporations, essential industries to ensure democratic control. enforce it. Accountability to the people and act aggressive wealth taxes and the richest individuals

and corporations to spend on public goods and infrastructure. Okay, anyone want to name me a successful example? Venezuela, oil, Cuba, everything, Allende, Chile. If you can name me one country that nationalized their largest industries and became more prosperous or the people benefited from more economic freedoms or any personal freedoms, right, let me know. We can go to, you want to go to DSA integration? The overarching... No, listen, I agree with you. I don't think socialism works, full stop, nor do I think communism or fascism work. You started your contentious video by saying even the bad fascists were a mistaken response to equally bad Marxism. Someone said that qualification, even the bad fascists implies there might be good fascists.

So just for the record, are all fascists bad? All actual fascists are bad. Is Donald Trump bad? Because he's, he's bad? a fascist because the left says that he is? No. And they do that with a lot of people. Buckele. You're talking about, you know, Afwera in Argentina. Sorry, his name just escaped me. This is how they label anyone with whom they disagree, whereas we can look all across South America and we can see the dangers. And we have to understand, too, with South America. Most of these countries are third-world countries. Your choice is either a communist coup or a guerrilla sort of military-fascist coup. And if you look historically, people have fared better

under what people would declare more extreme right wing. Both are wrong. But we need to understand it's not like here in the United States, and it hasn't worked there. Now we have people trying to bring the failed policies here in the United States, and it's not the fascists. That's the issue, whether it's immigration, whether it's health care,

whether it's nationalizing the means of production, distribution, whether it's more free crap, gender-affirming care. I can go through the list. It's unbelievable, and you have mainstream politicians who are, they wouldn't exist. if not for the DSA platform. This is the left today. You will keep the woke

and you'll have economic turmoil as well. I mean, I've argued for a long time that the more extreme woke left behave exactly like the fascists they profess to hate most. You know, the whole essence of cancel culture, of group think, of if you deviate, you get abused or you get threatened

or, you know, in some cases people get killed. You know, Charlie Kirk, killed for his beliefs. and so on. There's a fascist streak running through woke leftism, isn't there? Yeah, there absolutely is. If we're talking about a streak where you have to fall in how most people perceive fascism, right? And it's changed historically. But if you have to fall in line or be excluded or eliminated, you certainly see that from the left. Like a big problem you see from the right. Good example there is Charlie Kirk. I mean, right now you see these fractures that are taking

place because of people like Candace and because of people like Tucker Carlson. But outside of that, We have a pretty big tent. You have libertarians. You have more traditional conservatives. You have people who are America first. You don't really have that on the left. You have to follow a lockstep because it is an ideology that requires seizing control over everything or it doesn't work. Have you spent time like on the DSA on their actual platform?

Because it read when you talk about woke, a lot of people like aOC tried to say, yeah, woke one was a little bit of a disaster. That means woke 2.0 is coming. They're just going to try and be more covert about it. Like, they just tell people at the DSA, you have no debt. You don't need health insurance. You don't pay a mortgage or have a landlord because comfortable housing is a human right. Your retirement is publicly funded. Food, education, energy, medicine, transportation aren't for-profit businesses.

They also guarantee universal health care, including complete access to gender-affirming care. All of this stuff, and they're going to reduce hours by 20% while increasing wages. Okay, who's going to pay for it? Also, you can have an open border or you can have a giant welfare state. Pick one. They want all of it. and these people are running for and achieving office. That's the reason that's, okay, historically,

does this lead to some kind of response that we also don't want fascism? And the answer is yes, don't want that either. So my only quibble with that is that in your recent video, it was entitled, the case for fascism, and the thumbnail said, we need fascism. What you're saying to me now, it seems to me, is slightly different.

What you're saying is fascism is often an inevitable consequence of extreme communism or whatever it may be. But that's slightly different to saying we need it. You know, you're almost you're implying by saying that you see fascism as the only kind of antidote to extreme left ideology. Is that what you're saying? It is. It is. It is in South. Okay. Answer me this. South America. How do you vote your way out of communism, socialism, Marxism? How do you vote your way out of Cuba?

How do you vote your way out of Venezuela? So in those cases, you need, by definition, someone who would be a fascist, someone who's willing to engage in a military coup, someone who's willing to use the full strengths that they have at their disposal. Yeah, in those cases, otherwise, you just live with economic ruin forever. Yeah, I'm not saying we need it here in the United States, but when you look at the historical context, it was the only way to deal with the plight and the torture and the subjugation. Yeah, it's terrible, but it's an economic reality and a human rights reality. But, you know, you look at Pinnichet and what happened after he, left office, that would be an example where you didn't, you know, that's a clear example of the opposite of what you're saying. You're right. No, that's a good example. He's not a fascist,

even though the left labels him on. He willingly left office. So that's why I use him as an example. Right, but, you know, he was a fascist in most people's eyes. And he was replaced by, you know, good old-fashioned democracy. I think my contentious point about you is, it's not, it's not the To me, it's not about saying that communism is not a terrible threat. It is. The DSA, as you rightly pick them up on, I interviewed Brianna Taylor Joy over day, who just eventually, after staring around for about 10 minutes, eventually admitted she would like to get rid of the Pentagon, the police and prisons,

which is obviously completely insane. And so there are certainly large ways. Yeah, there are last ways of these democratic socialists emerging on the sort of national stage, which are completely bonkers. I think my quibble with your argument is that fascism is the only way you can end up countering this if it seizes power. Well, answer my question, how do you vote your way out of communism, Marxism, socialism? You don't. Maybe that's why the Chileans supported Pinnichet's reforms, and they kept his constitution after he willingly left power. And again, I never learned any of this in college. It doesn't justify the killing of any innocent people.

But like we did a segment on McCarthy, McCarthy was right about a lot. He was wrong in how he executed it, the idea that there wasn't a red scare, that they don't seek to subvert your institutions. If you believe that, then you're simply naive. How do you vote your way out of socialism, Marxism? It is inevitable. You can't point me to any example throughout human history where you have Marxism, communism, communism, socialism, where either it's never-ending economic ruin, or there's a quote-unquote fascist response by using the left's definition in order to correct it.

That's the only way it goes. But when you say, when you say, Abago, when you say Pinnishe left office of his own volition, which fascists don't normally do, the reality is he lost a national vote in October 1988, nearly 56% of Chileans cast their ballots against him, officially ending his mandate. And on the night of the vote, as it became clear he was losing, Pinnishay called other military leaders to his office. According to declassified U.S. documents, Pinnishe wanted extraordinary powers to declare a state of emergency, invalidate the vote, and use the military to keep control of the country. Other top generals in the military junta refused to back his plan. They publicly

accepted the Democratic vote and gone against him and forced him to accept defeat. It's a bit different to left of his own volition. All right. If I have to choose Governor Mumdani or Pinnishay, I'll go Pinnishay and I don't like either. Does that make it clear enough? When it's the party right now in this country. You would choose Pinnishay over Mamdani? Absolutely would. If it's AOC or Pinnashik, I would choose neither. Maybe I'd blow my head off, you know, maybe I'd do that, or maybe I just declare myself to be a woman and some kind of enemy of this.

18-time suicide rate, which gets no better, by the way, under socialized health care, gender-affirming care. So they're going away from that in Europe. But the DSA here wants to continue with that. I'm looking at a party right now in this country that wants to nationalize all the biggest Corp, all the biggest businesses, that wants to completely defund the police and replace them with social workers. And by the way, it's not like this is an unknown, right? The 2020 experiment, really, it produced the single largest crime spike, specifically homicide

in modern American history, disproportionately harming black Americans. So if police are the primary threat to black lives, why are the cities that most aggressively defunded them see the unbelievably sharp rise in black homicide victims? You look at them wanting to socialize health care. By the way, they also just add to it, feminism and queer body shit. They have like social feminism fights for socialist feminism fights for queer liberation and the freedoms of all working class women. No idea what that means.

Stop gender violence and end policies that oppress bodily autonomy and intimate life, including patriarchal restrictions on the point is they want a bunch of free crap. You're going to pay for it, but they have no way to tell you how the bill is footed. Also, you cannot. You cannot separate. I know you know this, Pierce, woke the culture of censorship and Marxism, socialism. It's the only way that this makes sense. When people say, well, how do you see people with a rainbow and LGBTQ flag right next to Palestine

where they'd throw you off a roof for speaking with a list? It's because they view the world as Marxist. They just view it as oppressed and oppressor. When you go, well, a second, how does any of this make sense where they claim that they want to be pro-workers? But really, they want to silence people and they don't want to have, they don't want to have, like, they want to have card checks so that you have to vote in the union. know exactly where you don't have your own privacy there, but you do in these other areas, they don't want voter ID,

because it's Marxist. The worker is the oppressed, and the guy who starts a business is the oppressor. Take any situation that we have seen socially in the last decade, and that is how they view it. It's nonsensical. There's nothing logically consistent outside of Marxism, and now they are espousing the same economic solutions.

That's what we're facing in this country. And I know that young people, I understand it. I understand why young people, they feel as though we've seen absolutely unsatisfactory results. They're not thrilled with the Trump administration. They weren't thrilled with Biden. I get it. And so it's easy to promise them a wish list. The wish list comes with shackles.

Ask anyone who's lived it. Yes, I agree with that. And about the dangers of socialism and communism and Marxism. Absolutely. You've got me there. Where you lose me, though, is where you look down the barrel of the camera and say, you would rather have General Pinochet than AOC or Mamdani. Do you want to think about that statement again?

I did, and I do. I don't want either, to be clear, if I had to pick between Bernie Sanders and, gosh, Jeb Bush, I'd pick Jeb Bush. What about Hitler? No, I'd just kill myself. I mean, it's interesting that you don't seem to get into Hitler. But my other quibble, though, was you talk about how communism is,

you talk about communism costing a lot more lives than fascism, but you completely remove Hitler from that summary, the accounting summary, if you like. Because many would argue that Hitler obviously prompted World War II, that the total death toll of World War II would take the death toll from fascism above the total death toll of communism in the last century. So why would you keep Hitler out of it? I mean, he was responsible for World War II and all who died in it.

No, no, I didn't. What I talked about was communism because we weren't addressing Hitler. We've done entire segments on Hitler, National Socialist Workers' Party of Germany, and the left tries to say, well, they aren't really socialist, and they hope that you don't remember that they were kind of allies with the Russians

until it was a family spat. So give me the Holocaust and the death count from, from Hitler, because we're not doing the whole Holocaust denial thing, right? Like some people do. What's the number? Will we agree the Holocaust anywhere from 5 to 10 million, six million seems to be the agreed upon number-ish? Yeah, about six million Jews and 12 million people in total were killed by the Nazis.

Yeah. How many killed under communism in the 20th century alone? And then name me one communist who's ever willingly left. No, but my argument about that argument, Yeah, but my argument about the argument is you're slightly giving Hitler and his death toll a past by focusing purely on the Holocaust. I would say that actually they, because Hitler was solely responsible for the start of World War II, everyone that then died in that war over six years has died as a consequence of fascism. And so if you were being fair about the comparison between the overall death toll from the effects of communism or fascism, I would throw in.

that fascism ultimately in the 20th century kill more people than communism because I would lay every single death in World War II at the feet of Adolf Hitler. It's silly, by the way, he was also a socialist, but let's do that. It still isn't. By that, just a direct line, 100 million under communism, and here's the issue.

And you can agree with me on this. I never learned about the death toll from Stalin. I never learned about the death toll from Mao. I never learned about the death toll from Pol Pot. I never learned about the death toll all across South America. I saw people with T-shirts with Che Guevara on, by the way, who was a coward, who got caught like a little bitch in Bolivia with a fully loaded rifle because he never fought a day in his life. I didn't learn about those things. Everyone knows that Hitler is bad, but there's this other ideology that has killed far more people, even using your most broad, sweeping definition.

Hitler bad. Communism kills absolutely more. And it is the one being praised right now. Mao, right? the DSA when you look at this, when you look at Lenin, when you look at Marx. In other words, there's no mainstream American political party, assuming that Hitler isn't a socialist at all, and it was just in the name and it's some kind of wordplay, okay, fine, let's just give you that. He's only a fascist, not a socialist. Okay, there's no mainstream conservative right now,

a Republican holding up mind comf. There are people on the left holding up the red book. They're doing TikTok videos about how great it is. They're talking about how Mao has inspired, he's one of the greatest thinkers of the last two centuries. This is what we are actually facing right now. And so, yeah, Hitler bad. I think everyone knows Hitler bad. But when I hear people who are either running for office or endorsing people, campaigning with people running for office,

going, oh, man, Mao is one of the greatest figures of the 20th century. I go, holy shit, are you kidding me? Just as I would, if any American politician said, Hitler anything other than bad. Is that fair? It makes sense, right? Well, you certainly won't get me trying to defend Mao versus Hitler or Hitler versus Mao. To me, they're the two biggest genocidal monsters.

No, no, no, I'm doing, but I do think it's for historical record and for the purposes of your thesis that fascism ultimately is worse than communism, I'm not completely convinced, statistically. That is the case. However, it's an interesting thesis. Let's just move on to a couple of things in our wheelhouse, really. One final thing. If I use your standard, because I'm just using the standard of the death toll under the Mao regime, under the Stalin regime. So if I use your standard, and that's by the way, still more than all of World War II if you blame every single death on Hitler.

Okay? Still more. Over 100 million to about 80-something million. If I use your standard, you'd have to add all deaths from the Korean War, all deaths from the Vietnam War, all deaths from the Chinese Civil War. That would be a more comparable number, right? It'd be like double. So it still doesn't hold water. And we should, by the way, reject and fear both.

only one is being embraced. That's the point. Let's please go on. I love you, Pierce. I hear your point and well-rebutted. Let's turn to Hunter Biden, because you've called him Hunter Leiden in your latest video. What's interesting is the way he's being embraced

by a lot of people on the conservative right, just on a big sit down with Tucker Carlson. What's going on here? There's a real split, particularly amongst the MAGA right in America. But when Hunter is sitting there, we talk over a couple of hours, what is happening here, do you think?

Yeah, so I'll tell you what my issue is with it. And by that, I will tell you something, I want to give you some credit here because, you know, people always bitch about don't platform somebody. And you hosted Nick Fuentes, and so have I. And I think that you and I both have to respect that he's the only one who showed up

and we'll defend them, whether you agree with him or not. He's always been very respectful. But you have some people say that you can't platform. I have no problem with these people platforming, Hunter Biden, by the way. The problem that I have is the double standard and its net results. So give me a moment if I can. Hunter Biden, the way he lied on Tucker Carlson, by the way, they're very good friends.

They're old friends. He asked Hunter to do him a favor to get his son into Georgetown. I mean, he didn't drop off the laptop. He just said, goes completely unchecked. He signed for the repair. Lawyers never denied it. He was talking about how Ukraine was shopping, a laptop story to Giuliani in 2018. That's absolutely not true. He said that there was a GRU agent

to Andre Dirk Hatch in 2018. He wasn't a GRU agent and he didn't meet him until 2019. He just, he said that Israel started, Tucker said that Israel started this underage sex conspiracy. There's zero evidence that that was provided whatsoever, a claim without any evidence. And you look at the things that weren't asked, like about his niece, about the Ashley Biden diary, about the 10% for the big guy, about all of the economic dealings. None of those asked, That's a standard that I guess is only held for Ted Cruz and Mike Huckabee, who, by the way, should be held to that standard, but so should Hunter Biden. And here's my big thing.

The implication that the Hunter Biden laptop story was actually just, you know, planted by Israel. And then we also look, so combine that with Candace Owens, right, we have Tyler Robinson. There was a moment of unity. I remember being on this show. Tyler Robinson, a trans, radicalized LGBTQ, far-left activist, assassinated. One of the best among us, certainly one of the most prominent voices. And that's been thrown. So actually, no, that was Israel.

It was the Jews. And actually, no, Hunter Biden, which is the clearest example, the clearest example that we have of three-letter agencies, including the FBI, colluding with big tech and media, wrongfully labeling a story Russian disinformation, which we know would have affected the outcome of the election. No, actually, the single biggest proof that we have of censorship from the left, systemically, it's the Jews.

And note, the single biggest example that we have of political violence as per a multiple time confession. No, no, no, it's the Jews. And I can say this because APEC can go screw themselves with a wire brush. And I do think we need to eliminate foreign influence. And I think that Israel needs to foot their own bill. But we need to say the same about China.

We need to say the same thing about Qatar. And we certainly need to apply the standard equally because if you were to look at these interviews, if you were to look at these premises and say, okay, left's not a threat as far as political violence. And the left's not a threat as far as culture of censorship. Hey, there's no reason to fear the left. There of no concern whatsoever.

Vote for anyone you want. It's all the same. That's what bothers me. Do you think that Candice Owens believes what she says about the assassination of Charlie Kirk? Or as Andrew Wilson is going to sit down with her, I think, on Friday, isn't it? Their big debate hosted by Patrick Bet David. That she's just doing this to make money. That it's just a running thing she can go with.

And she doesn't care about Erica Kirk. her feelings or anything. She just wants to get the numbers and get the money. Let me answer two things. The only through line that you would see with Candace's career is a lifelong liberal, by the way, liberal activists. People can search social autopsy and see how anti-free speech she was for a very long time, let alone suing, you know, filing a lawsuits being represented by the NAACP. The only thing that seems to be a consistent through line is whatever's expedient financially. But then to the other question, you say, do you think that Candace believes what she says? I would love to know,

know what it is that she says. Are we talking about the Egyptian planes, by the way? And I've noticed she's backed away from very specific facts because she got the time zones wrong. She said there were 73 overlaps and 68% of them were completely wrong. I think it was 60% of them had no physical, emotional, temporal connection to Charlie Kirk whatsoever. Are we talking about the French Legion? Because she said that Tyler Robinson at one point, he's now a Patsy and he wasn't on campus at all. He trained with the French Legion, right with the 13th Brigade, the Gendarmerie, but she walked away from that because that was disproven. The idea that Robinson was never present on campus whatsoever,

you can say that we don't have footage yet of him, pulling that trigger, you can talk about caliber. You can't say that there's no evidence of him on campus. So I've noticed that she's backed away from claims that have been immediately refuted to, I don't know I'm just asking questions. That seems to be what the conversation will be about, in my opinion is if you're going to make claims like that, and if you're going to put people in the crosshairs figuratively,

and we know quite literally as it relates to the Kirk's, you better do your due diligence. You better have the information right. So when you say, does Candace believe what she's saying? I don't know what she's saying right now. It changes all the time. It does. Yeah, I completely agree.

Stephen, it's great to talk to you. Just finally, it's crystal ball time. Let's go to 2028. What type of candidate is likely to be a Democratic? general election candidate. Will it be somebody from the socialist left, you think, who are the rising force in the party, or will they pivot for the general election to a more moderate candidate? And conversely, who are the Republicans going to go for? Who is the leader of the Republican movement post-Donald Trump?

Boy, well, you know, I hate making political predictions because Charles Krauthammer might have been one of the most brilliant political minds, you know, God rest his soul. And he was wrong like 50% of the time. So me sitting on my couch, you know, in the bag of of poor friends, don't really have a shot. But I will say this. Let me take a stab at it. I think that you will see someone economically very left, someone who promises a lot of free crap on the Democrat side. So very much leading towards socialism. And you see, you know, people like AOC trying to act as though they weren't woke because they didn't use the term Latinx. They're going to try and distance themselves from woke gender, politics, all of the,

you know, patriarchy, the oppression Olympics. Don't believe it for a second. because they still are tied to the platform that necessitates it, right? It's a platform based on equity, not equality. So it'll be someone economically very far left, and it'll be someone who tries to hide their social views or appear more moderate. On the right, I think you're probably going to see someone who presents themselves as economically far more populist,

so that would be probably more center in quite a few ways and still acting as a vanguard against woke. Because the one thing that we know for sure is, I mean, we already have the verdict. We know, we have the results. People don't want the progressive, social justice crap. And the left has to hide from it and the right still wants to fight it. Because the left now wants to gaslight all of us and say, why have you turned this into an

issue? It's a non-issue, men and women's sports. I don't know, maybe because I watched one win a gold medal at the Olympics beat the shit out of a woman. Maybe that. Maybe because a thousand medals are lost. Maybe because kids can be taken away from their parents if they don't affirm their transition when they're young. So I don't want them to be allowed to distance themselves from who they are and what they actually want. You can read it on the DSA website. Everyone is going to veer you see this when the economy is not doing very well and there's uncertainty they're going to veer toward economic populism and the left is going to have to hide their social policy so it'll be someone who fits in those parameters unless of course unless of course i sorry i forgot this the democrat

party does what it does and acts completely undemocratic and rig it like they did against bernie or have no primary like they did with kamala or what they they just did with uh francesca hong where clearly there's foul play so so i don't know it's anyone's guess we may end up with hillary clinton again crazy man well polymarket currently has aOC rising to third favorite to be the next president

on 10.7% behind jadey vance and marco rubio i mean i could see ultimately if i was a betting man right now i could see an a oc v rubio showdown i think rubio is probably that i think being the most impressive performer in the trump administration

and that jd vans may find himself too attached to Trumpism to extricate himself successfully. And it may be that getting yourself away from Trumpism is a good thing. We will see. It depends on the timing. Well, let me add something to that too. I think that J.D. Vance, not so much Trumpism. I think his challenge is going to be the ties to Palantir.

And, of course, AI is a very important issue, big tech right now. And rightfully, Sos, he's going to have to answer for that. Marco Rubio is going to have the albatross around his neck of being part of the gang of eight, though he is certainly MVP, the best communicator in this administration. AOC, if she becomes president, you know, the moment she unfreezes her eggs, sky net falls and the world ends. Stephen Crowder, great to have you back on Our Sensor. Thank you very much. Thank you, sir.

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