Piers Morgan Uncensored - 'You Called Me a NAZI!" Rabbi Shmuley vs Pro-Palestinians | Israel Cuts Power To Gaza

Episode Date: March 11, 2025

In the remnants of a supposed ceasefire, the fighters of Hamas and the IDF continue to engage each other and create more destruction; though with a strong advantage to the Israelis. In an effort to force Hamas to release all the remaining hostages, Israel has cut off the power supply to the Gaza strip, in a move that activists say will just mean more suffering for innocent Palestinians. Miles away, President Donald Trump has posted AI-generated video of Gaza’s reconstruction, complete with golden statues and Trump hotels. But what is actually in store for the Palestinian people seems to be a far throw from this gaudy paradise. For a debate on the current state of affairs in Israel and Palestine, Piers Morgan is joined by ‘America’s Rabbi’ and author of 'Holocaust Holiday' Rabbi Shmuley, journalist and 'Pushback' host for The Grayzone Aaron Mate and Palestinian-American commentator Omar Baddar. Uncensored is proudly independent and supported by: American Hartford Gold: Protect your wealth with precious metals! Call American Hartford Gold today & get up to $15,000 in free silver on your 1st order! Call 866-692-2474 or Text PIERS to 65532, or Click the link below: https://offers.americanhartfordgold.com/piers-morgan/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

ICE has arrested the Palestinian leader of Columbia University's anti-Israel protests. Mahmoud Halil, many people think this is a violation of free speech under the First Amendment. Others think that they're perfectly entitled this administration to start deporting those who openly supported Amat. What do you say about this? I think that was one of the most courageous acts of moral conscience that we've seen in the U.S. in many, many years. And it outraged the... A bunch of students just shouting and yelling outside. It's not that courageous.

Rabbi Shmuli, an attack on free speech. Many have said that. What do you say to that? Deport him now because he's not promoting free speech. He's promoting incitement to violence. It is quite rich to hear Rabbi Shmuli. He's pretty much a three-trick pony. He's either interrupting or he's lying or he's smearing people.

This is what we call classic anti-semitism. You think your narrative is a metaphor. I see you as the modern-day followers of the Nazis. Aaron, you can't seriously be saying that Rabbi Shmouli is, a successor to the Nazi. President Trump's plan to turn Gaza into a Middle Eastern Riviera, embellished with a vivid AI video

featuring Elon Musk eating hummus at the beach, a certainly divided opinion to put it mildly. More importantly, it's kickstarted the series debate about what happens to Gaza after the war. Arab leaders have now united around their own five-year, $53 billion reconstruction plan that would see a

temporary government of independent peacekeepers put in charge of a strip. No Palestinians would be displaced. The problem is that neither Israel nor Hamas would be involved, and therefore neither of them is going to accept it. Israel is currently blocking aid from entering Gaza to pressure Hamas into accepting a temporary extension of the current truce. This weekend, wrongly in my view, it also cut off his supply of electricity. Well, Hamas says the second phase of a ceasefire involving the full withdrawal of Israeli troops should begin as agreed instead. Well, to debate all this, I'm joined in the studio by America's rabbi

and author of Holocaust Holiday, Rabbi Shmooley, to the journalist and pushback host for the Grey Zone, Aramate, and the Palestinian-American commentator Omar Badar. Welcome to all of you. Welcome to you, Rabbi Shmuli, here in London. Let me start, if I may with you, Omar, about this. I've got to say, when I saw that Israel was yanking its power supply and fuel supply into Gaza,

knowing how many innocent children have already died in Gaza during this war, many, many, many thousands. I just thought it was an act of inhumanity, which Israel doesn't need to do and shouldn't have done. It certainly is an act of inhumanity and one that is obviously designed not just to demonstrate dominance and bullying and increase the suffering of the people of Gaza, which has been Israel's goal for a very long time, but more precisely in this moment, to try to figure out a way out of the ceasefire in which the Palestinians get blamed in some way. And what they're trying to do is provoke a response that would then justify the continuation of the slaughter. And you have to pay attention to the fact that Israel has been violating the ceasefire over and over again. They've killed over 100 Palestinians since the ceasefire was announced.

They have prevented the entry of adequate humanitarian aid, as was stipulated in the terms of the ceasefire agreement. And they're just looking for any way possible to try to fall short on their obligations to trigger some kind of response. And it's directly in response to the fact that the entire world now seems to be moving away from Israel's ethnic cleansing. plan for Gaza that Trump has endorsed. You've had this Arab proposal that has come together about rebuilding Gaza endorsed by many European nations, but Israel's eyes remain laser-focused on the need to ethnically cleanse Gaza and emptied of Palestinians. They want to finish the job of this genocide. And right now, I think this is why they're pushing for these provocations. Okay, Rabbi Shnali, your response. There is almost no electricity in any of the Arab world

except what Israel provides Gaza. Syria has almost zero electricity. Lebanon, goes through constant blackouts, Egypt's constant blockouts. Iraq is oil superpower. They have no electricity. Israel has been extraordinarily kind to Gaza since 2006 when the monster murder terrorist of Hamas took over. But Israel doesn't pay. It doesn't give this for free.

I mean, they get paid. Well, it's heavily subsidized. But to be clear, Israel gets $11 million a month for supplying the power into Gaza, which is 50% or more of the power that Gaza receives in entirety. And after October the 7th, within a couple of weeks, Israel cut by 90% the amount of power they were sending in, and they're now cutting the remaining 10% plus the fuel. So it's not an act of charity by Israel.

They get paid significant sums of money for the energy that they supply. Israel has a $700 billion GDP, $11 million means absolutely nothing. This is really, it is an active charity. And the real question is, why didn't Hamas, who have been in power for 20 years, use quadruple the amount of martial aid that Europe used for Britain to rebuild their cities after the Second World War, Germany, to build their own power plants? Hamas stole all that money, enriched Yaya Sinwar. Do you know that Yasser Arafat's daughter was just ranked by Forbes to be worth five. billion dollars this money was stolen they should have built their own power plants they shouldn't be dependent on is this is the story of chamas and what i would say to my friend omar is if you hate israel so

much and you falsely accusative genocide let's imagine for one moment that trump says to all the jews of israel six million look guys 75 year experiment of israel constant war as everyone hates you move to florida and ront desantis is pro-israel and i grew up in miami and all six million decide you know what let's close israel not for any tragic means tell me omar what that What then happens to the people of Gaza? Do they suddenly have liberty and democracy and freedom? No. Women are still killed and honored killings by their cousins,

inspired by Hamas, if they have a boyfriend. Gays are still castrated and hung in city squares. Ghazans who want political freedom are granted none. There hasn't been one election since 2000. Take Israel out of the Middle East. And the Middle East, and any country run by Islam, is the Muslim Brotherhood, are still dumps where people have no human rights.

Stop blaming Israel. You know the problem is not Israel. Here's proof. Because the countries in the Middle East, like the Abraham Accord, so we're talking Bahrain, we're talking about the UAE, we're talking Dubai, we're talking Abu Dhabi. They have brilliant economies, and they never complain about Israel, and they hate Hamas.

They want to see technology. You are defending the status quo, and you want the Gazans, my innocent Palestinian brothers and sisters, to serve us nothing but bargaining chips, leverage against Israel. Why would you want them to stay in that hovel, in that dump? I have been in Gaza, have you?

I was in Gaza before the war. I was there in 2001 with Reverend Al Sharpton. It was a dump then. Why won't you allow the gods to have a plebiscite to have a referendum? Let them decide where they want to live if they can live in Jordan or if they can live in Saudi Arabia with a garden. All right. Rather than you deciding that they should be bargaining chips against Israel.

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There's a lot to respond to. There was an election in Gaza. 2006. Yes. And what happened was in the eyes of visual. Excuse me. And they haven't allowed to let it. I didn't interrupt you.

I didn't interrupt you. Thank you. There was an election. The people in the West Bank in Gaza voted for Hamas. And had Israel and the U.S. respond, not being generous to Gaza, as Rabbi Shmuli falsely claimed, putting it under an inhumane, crippling siege, depriving it, of all.

all the basics people needed to survive. Even certain types of hummus were banned from entering Gaza under Israeli rule. That's the benevolent Israeli occupation that Rabbi Shmuli wants us to believe in. The reason why Hamas turned to arm resistance against Israel in October 7 is because they tried all other means. When Palestinians launched the Great March of Return in 2018, tens of thousands of people marching peacefully, they were gunned down by Israeli snipers. When Hamas leaders accepted the Arab League peace proposal of a two-state solution, accepting just 22% of Palestine, their historic homeland,

Israel said they wouldn't even discuss it. So that answer is the question of why Hamas has turned to armed resistance because when they've tried to pursue the diplomatic path, Israel has ignored them. And that's the fundamental problem here. Rabbi Shmuli mentioned countries in the region that don't have electricity, whereas the other regions, whereas other countries thrive. Well, all those countries that Rabbi Shmuli mentioned, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon,

they share another thing in common with the Palestinians. They've been relentlessly attacked by U.S. Israeli aggression for years. The Iraq War, for example. Syria, Israel's stolen, the Golan Heights, who's currently stealing more territory today. Lebanon, Israel invades in 1982, kills tens of thousands of people, occupied it for many years. Recently undertook a new round of massacres. So if Rabbi Shmuli cared about the people of the region and all Israel apologists, what they would simply do is say, for the first time in our history,

we're actually going to accept the right of Palestinians to have their own land. not come up with these fantasies of ethnic cleansing, which Israel has tried to do since its founding in 1948, say, we're actually going to recognize the rights of Palestinians to have self-determination, which everybody in this world has. And the reason why they don't accept that is because they're a Jewish supremacist state, founded on this idea that Jews are superior,

have a biblical right to all this land, and that's why they're pursuing their current path. Oh, Baron, let me ask you this. On this issue of power, for example, electricity, I've explained how the process works, so Israel supplies more than half of Gaza's power. They get $11 million a month from the Palestinian Authority, which is gained from tax revenue from Palestinians.

So it's a quid pro quo, if you like. But as we look forward here, my question, and I think it's a perfectly good one from Rabbi Shmuri there, is Hamas were given billions of dollars. Over six billion, it's reported to have been given. And they could have gone one of many ways with that money. They could have built a more prosperous Gaza if they wanted to, but instead they spent or squandered that money

on effectively building a terror network amongst the civilian population and then unleashing hell on October the 7th against the people of Israel. What they didn't do was make Gaza self-sufficient for energy or water or anything else. And my question would be, well, why didn't they? And as a result of that, what's your view of what's now happened? Well, my answer is they were not allowed to. Israel subjected Gaza under Hamas' control to a criminal blockade, preventing the very reconstruction materials that Gaza would need to build the electricity.

They bombed Gaza's power plants, took it offline. They've destroyed the water infrastructure well before October 7th. The basics that Gazans need to live have been denied to them. And Israeli minister famously said, we're going to put the people of Gaza on a diet, by which he made, we're going to allow in just enough food so that people can survive without a full-blown starvation crisis, but they're going to be hungry. So if you want to know why Gaza has not built up the infrastructure that it needs to survive,

the answer is the Israeli occupation. Even before October 7th, the UN was warning that within a few years, Gaza would not be livable because of the inhumanity of the siege. So there's your answer. You can criticize Hamas. There's plenty to criticize there. My friends who live in Gaza are not fans of Hamas. They would love to have somebody different.

But I'm not going to hold occupied people accountable for the crimes of their occupiers. And unless you understand that Gaza's been subjected to a criminal blockade as part of one of the world's longest running and cruelest military occupations in the world, we're not going to be able to resolve this conflict. Right. And Rabbi Shmuli, I mean, the clear reality, surely, is that unless you afford Palestinians, the same basic human rights as their Israeli neighbors, you are never going to have peace in that region, ever. Why would you?

Why have one group of people, millions, are deprived the same basic fundamental human rights across a border as their neighbors? Why would they not always want to resist that? First of all, they were granted complete human rights. Israel enacted a total and complete military and civilian withdrawal from Gushkati, Gaza, 2005. My children were some of the last,

even though we're Americans, last children to actually plant trees on a Jewish holiday. They were cut down by Hamas later because all of this was used. Everything was used in order to attack Israel. My issue with Aaron is that there's a difference between opinion and fact. Aaron, I say respectfully, I think that you have really permanently undermined your credibility by just such a stream of fabrication that it defies imagination. Did you really just say that the Palestinians only got? 22% of the mandated Palestine?

You know it's the exact opposite. No, I didn't say, no, no, no. You said I should interrupt you, so you won't interrupt me. Thank you. I didn't say that, though. I appreciate your respect. I appreciate your respect. You did say it.

Well, what did he say? Hang on. Let's just clarify. I said that the Arab League offered Israel a huge compromise for Palestinians in which Palestinians would accept just 22% of their historic homeland. So let's go to the facts. Let's go to the facts. And get a Palestinian statement.

No, no, you won't interrupt me, please, because I didn't interrupt you, please. Listen, why don't you finish interrupting me, and when you're finished, then I'll continue. Go ahead. Finish interrupting me. I answered your question. Thank you.

So let me continue. Everyone knows that Winston Churchill actually wrote that on a Sunday afternoon, he created the nation of Transjordan. He was the colonial secretary. He cut off 80% of the Balfour Declaration, 1917, biblically mandated Palestine,

and he gave it to, to Jordan. It was a reward for people who don't live there, the Hashemites. He brought King Abdullah and his brother, King Faisal. Faisal was kicked out of Syria. They tried, and Abdullah was killed in Jordan. Somehow the Hashemites, you know, continue there till this very day. They're not native Jordanians. You and I both know that. They caught off 80% of the Jewish homeland and created Transjordan. That is a fact, Winston Churchill. Now, let's go on. Even then, with the 20% left, no, no, no, you're interrupting me again because you don't want to hear facts. But you're going to hear these facts and then when I finish, I won't interrupt you. How about that? Okay, sure. Let's have a

civil dialogue. 1936, you say that in 1936, the Peel Commission launched by the British was because of Arab violence before there was even a Jewish state. It started with an Arab blockade and a boycott and then it became full violence. So they sent the Peel Commission, and the Peel Commission divided the country into two, and the Arabs rejected it. Then November 1920, November 1947, in the Queens, a museum, which I drive by whenever I land in LaGuardia Airport, or JFK. That was the UN headquarters. They voted again a partition plan where the Jews got a tiny bit of that 20%. The Arabs rejected it, launched two wars.

1947, 1948. 1956, Israel withdrew completely from the Steinai, which they conquered. 1967, after they conquered everything that we're debating right now, they went, Moshe Diyan, the defense minister, went to the Arabs and said, we want to give it all back. They went to Khartoum, and they responded with the three noes. No to recognition, no peace, no legitimacy. These are all facts. You can destroy your credibility.

scholar if you wish. Finally, Aoud Olmert offered them 96% of the West Bank and they rejected it. And then Bill Clinton, who we choose don't really consider a great friend of Israel, wrote in his memoirs that he told Arafat, I am a failure and you are the reason I'm a failure. We gave you everything. Now, finally, one final point. Pierce, when you ask me a very valid question, why should the Palestinians not resist when they're given full rights? There are no soldiers in Gaza. Israel dismantled its own communities. They used their soldiers to break down houses of my wife's cousins. And then Aaron says there was a blockade and they could build anything.

How did they build an underground network larger than the London tube that I just took to get here? If there was a blockade, the London tube is pretty impressive. Do you know that Hamas used the hundreds of billions of dollars they got not to build one bomb shelter, not one electricity plant which could have answered Pierce's issue about they used it all to build a terror network for their fighters and then use babies

and every palat... And you say about Jewish supremacy. I want to stand on a crippled people with Yama can a beard. I believe as a Jew that God loves every Palestinian child as much as a Jew and everyone that died is because of Hamas, Hamas, Hamas, thank you. Okay. Omar, what are you to respond to that?

Sure. I mean, first, it is quite rich to hear Rabbi Shmuli complain about anybody interrupting. He's pretty much a three-trick pony. He's either interrupting or he's lying or he's smearing people with the most racist. Are you really going to get him to ad hominem this early in the debate? You really have to personalize it.

There's the fact, please. Stop the ad hominim attack. He's demonstrating it. Please don't do the ad hominem, please. For you right now. In fact, fears, frankly, if your audience watching at home we're playing a drinking game in which they took a shot every time he either lied or interrupted,

half of your audience would be dead before This is just ad hominem. Do you know facts or not? Do you want to debate fact or do you want to insult me? Are you going to keep interrupting? Do you want to keep complaining about interrupting and then do your own interrupting? Debate me, don't insult me. Are you just going to demonstrate your hypocrisy to everyone on television?

Here we go. Hypocrisy, lawyer. We know what you think about Jews. Debate the facts. Forget the evil me and debate the facts. Just unbelievable level of hypocrisy. You are demonstrating your hypocrisy right now by continually interrupting and you don't like what you're hearing. Try and stop. Let me.

Yeah, yeah. I'll said the insults. if that's even possible with dealing with people like you. Now, Rabbi Shmuli actually fully understands that the reason why there's no electricity in Gaza is because Israel, can you be quiet? Can you be quiet and let me finish what I have to say? Rabbi Shmuli knows extremely well that the reason why there is no electricity in Gaza is because Israel bombs the infrastructure in Gaza and then puts Gaza under siege and does not allow Palestinians

to rebuild their own power plans. They've created a situation of dependence where Gaza cannot survive on its own economically. to depend on Israel, and that is by design because Israel wants to be able to shut off the electricity at any point. Rabbi Shmuli knows this, but he tries to play on the uninformed audiences. He takes them for fools and hopes that they won't be able to see through the idiocy that he's actually demonstrating right now. But anybody with a functioning brain will understand very well that the reason why Gaza is not free is because Israel prevents it from being free. Google more personal insults. You can't deal with a single historical fact that I said.

So you've called me an idiot, hypocrite, a liar. Let me tell you something. See, this is what we call classic anti-Semitism. You think you're a narrative is made up of a fact. Are you kidding? I quoted, I quoted to you the Peel Commission, the UN, the Omer deal. You cannot respond to a single one. So what do you have to do at hominem, at hominem? Deal with me as a person and try to suppress

your hatred for Jews. Thank you. Yes, quiet down. Yeah, again, the smear of anti-Semitism. That's the second trick. Really, if people are taking shots, I mean, try to keep track of how much alcohol are consuming at this point. So, the reason why there has not been a Palestinian state. And by the way, if you're going to pull up Bill Clinton, that's fine. By all means, why don't you try pulling up Jimmy Carter, who's been very clear about the fact that the reason why there has not been a resolution to this conflict

is because Israel insists on maintaining an illegal occupation of the Palestinian territories and denies Palestinians any freedom. And so you hear Schmuli here claiming that Israel allows Palestinians to be completely free and have full rights. But that is belied by every single major human rights organization in the entire world. And so Schmuli was basically saying that you have to believe him and Israeli propagandists when it comes to the issue of human rights instead of believing our own eyes, instead of believing major human rights organizations, and actually documented facts of what is unfolding on the ground. And that is that Palestinians have no freedom, no dignity, no opportunity, all due to Israel squeezing them under a brutal

occupation and looking for ways to get rid of them. That is at the core of the so-called conflict. Okay, let me ask you, Rabbi Shmali, a different question, which is that it has been reported the Trump envoy to Middle East is in direct talks now with Hamas. Should the White House be directly negotiating with a prescribed terror group in this way? Well, I want to know whether the official hostage negotiator, Adam Bowler, has gone rogue, or whether these are under orders of our elected president who has the mandate of the people, having won the popular vote, the electoral college vote. Because what Adam Bowler said yesterday, I think it was on CNN, was shocking.

He not only went rogue and started speaking to Hamas, when the president had tweeted two days earlier, giving Hamas a binary choice. Release the hostages or face hell, and every one of your fighters will be killed. And he said that he would give Netanyahu everything that he needed. The president wrote this himself on truth social in order to annihilate every Hamas fighter,

every terrorist dedicated to a second genocide, to a second Holocaust. Suddenly, Bowler comes along, goes behind the scenes. And by the way, Pierce, may I say, he criticized my dear friend Ron Dhrmer, who was my, you probably know I was Rabbi Dachshund University for 11 years, Ron Dhrmer was my student president. I'm one of the people who inspired him to move to Israel.

He's now chief negotiator for the hostages. He criticized Ron by name, which was very unfair. And then he said, Hamas aren't such bad people. They don't have horns. You know, it's like saying, you know, Hitler was nice to his dog. I've heard that too. When you have a genocidal organization whose actual charter says that we are dedicated, not just to killing Rabbi Shmuli and all the IDF soldiers

and all the women they gang raped, I was in the killing fields of Gaza, 10 days after the bodies were still there, the stench of death was still there. When he says that they don't have horns and that they're nice people, you give them a degree of legitimacy, which is shocking. Imagine if people in Britain during the Second World War

knowing the Blitz, and then they found it about the extermination camps and what was done even to British prisoners of war, suddenly you heard that the Nazis aren't such bad people. In fact, I met with them in Himmler, you know, we had tea, etc. That would be very offensive. And then he said America is not a client state of Israel? I mean, come on.

Does Adam Bowler not really? realize that he is a Jewish American, is someone who Hamas also says in their charter they're going to kill? Let me quote the charter verbatim. The time will come when trees will call out and say, come, Muslim, there is a Jew hiding behind me come and kill him. That includes Adam Bowler, includes his wife, includes his children. So when you say that these people are human, I'm sorry, there's no genocidal organization, which is human, when Adam says to me, hey, they were elected in 2000, there was an election. Adam, are you freaking kidding me? You mean if Trump decides to abolish elections in 2028,

you're going to be okay with it if he says that he's going to go in 20 years to elections? You're making a mockery of democracy, and don't tell me it was a fair election. Hamas took, it was an election between the Palestinian Authority, Mahmoud Hamas, who hates Hamas, who hasn't visited Gaza in 20 years because he would be

killed, probably even more than I would. They took the Palestinian authority candidates, and they threw them off rooftops. They killed them. And by the way, I haven't heard either of you say a single word you said about Syria? Adam, you said that Israel stole the Galais?

His name's Aaron, not Aaron. Aaron, I'm sorry. Please forgive me. It was not intentional. I'm so sorry. Forgive me, and it's a beautiful biblical name. We'll connect on that. I hope you'll forgive me.

Aaron. Adam's also a nice, beautiful name, but Aaron's a better name. Good biblical name. Moses brother. You're a high priest. Did you really tell me that Israel stole the Golan? The Golanites? Did you really want Assad to have it while he was gassing Arab?

children with mustard sarin gas with poison gas. Do you want Al-Julani? Do you want... Do you want Al-Julani to have it right now? Did you watch the videos of what Al-Julani did to the Alawites over the past week? Have any of you seen a single demonstration?

They took Arab men and shot them in the freaking head and then learning from Hamas posted it all on Instagram and on X and you guys haven't said one word. You know why? Because you don't really care about Arab law. All right. Well, what did we?

took demonized juice why do we let me let me find out of Israel just the Assyrian land because Aaron respond to that because I think you have been saying things about yeah just the historical point Israel stole the golan heights in 1967 uh long before Bashar al-Assad was uh was in power second of all the father was in power let him speak please okay okay if if rabbi shmuli is upset with the atrocities currently being committed he's right by this al-qaeda offshoot that now rules syria He should be criticizing governments like Israel and the U.S., which took credit for this former al-Qaeda leader taking power. Netanyahu, after Assad was overthrown, gave a grand speech saying, we deserve credit for this because it was our crushing of Syrian allies, Hezbollah. Plus, by the way, the hundreds of Israeli airstrikes on Syria over the years and also arming insurgent groups that helped bring about Assad's fall.

So if you're upset about that, Rabbi Shmuli, take it up with Netanyahu openly took credit for helping bring about the ouster. of Assad. Now, I want to say something now. I'm not a religious person, so I can't claim to, I can't claim to be a devout Jew, but I got to say Rabbi Shmouli, you don't speak for me, accusing people like my friend Omar of anti-Semitism simply because he wants the freedom of his people. It saddens me to see what people like you have done to the Jewish tradition. The suffering of my family, my great-grandparents perished in the Holocaust that were murdered by the Nazis. And today, I have to tell you, I see you as the modern, today followers of the Nazis supporting this mass murder campaign in Gaza, putting the people of

Gaza in what even Israelis have called a concentration camp. It's the Israeli Jews of today, supported by American Jews, unfortunately, some that are following in the footsteps of our oppressors. And I hope one day you can connect to your own humanity and the very best of your own tradition, which I believe in, to see just how horrible this modern state, this modern supremacist state is not only for the Palestinians but the Jewish people as well. You can't seriously be saying that Rabbi Shmooley, one of the most high-profile Jews in the world, is a successor to the Nazis. I mean, that's a pretty despicable thing to say, isn't it?

He supports the mass murder of children in a concentration camp. What else am I supposed to do? Can I, may I respond to that? I think you should respond to that. He should respond to that. He's a Nazi tactics. Aaron, Aaron, Aaron. Aaron, Aaron, notice I have not once offended.

use that hominem attacks against Omar or you. I have decided that I'm going to be factual. No, excuse me, you won't interrupt me. Excuse me. Omar started calling me a liar. He wouldn't deal with any facts. A hypocrite. He said I'm drunk on lies, et cetera, et cetera.

That's what we call ad hominem personal attacks. I've seen it whenever, and I debate everybody, because I like Pearson. This is why I love this show. I'm also a free speech absolutist. The person you just called a Nazi spent the past year with this friend Ron Dhrmer, who was condemned by Adam Boller because of our close relationship for my years as Rabbi at Oxford. He was my student president.

And Bobby Kennedy Jr., the new HHS Secretary, Secretary of Health of Human Service, saving 200 Palestinian children who had cancer. Hamas would not let them go to an Israeli hospital because they would kill their families if Israeli hospitals treated them, Shari Tseek or Shiba Medical, all of whom agreed to take them. We had to take them to St. Jude's Hospital in Amman. And I helped get them out. reason why these Israeli military wanted the kids out, but not their accompanying, you know, attendance is that so many of them were terrorists pretending to be an uncle, a grandfather,

that's other terrorist. But I helped to rest. A few of them died. It was terrible. I think we raised, we saved 173. But I want to say something to you, Aaron, if I may, respectfully. I believe what you just said about me as a Jew, comparing me to a Nazi, will live in ignominy, respectfully, on your resume forever and ever and ever. I think you have now permanently undermine any and all semblance, Ayota, molecule, atom of credibility. Because if you can compare me, if you can compare me, father of nine children, grandfather of 11, who has fought his entire life for Arab rights, who when I was the rabbi at Oxford got halal meat for all of our students,

including the grandson of the king of Saudi Arabia, who today is the British ambassador to court of St. James, Khalal ibn Bandar. the niece of the king of king of jordan at the time i have worked my entire life for arab rights and i will say something that i bet omar i'll challenge him to say it let me ask you omar you're a muslim i i assume i will state unequivocally that this nazi believes that every arab life is absolutely equal to a jewish life completely before god i will also state that is a great world religion that saved my people when they were kicked out of Catholic Spain by Ferdinand and Isabella of Aragon and Castile in 1492,

and then King Manuel III, to marry their daughter in about 1503. You know who took us in? The Muslims, that's why there were Jewish communities in Istanbul before Erdogan became an anti-Semite and invoked the Nazis. The Muslims saved us, we will never forget it. Islam, we only know about Aristotle and Plato, Socrates. The Catholic Church saw them as pagan philosophers and burn their books. It was Muslims who created the first year.

So, Omar, will you make the same statement? Is Judaism as greater world religion and equal before God as Islam? Yes or no? That goes without saying. For the record, by the way, I'm agnostic. But yes, I have no trouble acknowledging the fact that we should protect Muslims and Christianity and Judaism and their religion. I want to ask you a different question. Would you endorse what Aaron said, though, that Rabbi Shmooley is a successor to a Nazi?

Look, I'm personally, I mean, between Aaron and Rabbi Shmoli, they're both Jewish. I feel like there's more comfort in invoking the language. I personally don't really care much for Nazi analogies, but I will point out that Rabbi Shmouli is the one who invoked the Nazi analogy first in talking about Gaza. And I just want to say that if what you're doing is defending a government that is credibly accused of genocide

by every major human rights organization in the world, like whom? Like whom? Who can, what do you mean genocide? Do you know the definition of genocide? Who coined the word genocide? Can I finish my sentence? Yes, please. Forgive me. Have you ever let anybody else finish a sentence while complaining about interrupting?

Well, let's stop the out, Haman. I apologize. Go ahead, please. The Israeli government is credibly accused of committing genocide in a concentration camp in Gaza. If we're talking about sectarian violence, there is no greater sectarian violence, then the fact that you have people between Netanyahu talking about the Amalek, between the Israeli soldiers, celebrating this genocide on TikTok, you can read. read endless statements from them. If that's what you're supporting, the massacring of people in a concentration camp, you probably should be the last person to invoke Nazi.

So then I am a Nazi. And when we talk about Syria, and when we talk about Syria, when we talk about Syria, there's no question that the current government is engaged in unspeakable atrocities against Aloit and other minorities. There's no question that the previous government under Assad was also a brutal and repressive government that is engaged in endless atrocities. But none of this changes the fact that does not allow Israel to take Syrian territory because there are atrocities being committed in Syria.

And there is universal agreement under international law that the Golan Heights are Syrian territory that Israel is illegally occupying. This is simply uncontroversial. And starting to talk about atrocities, random atrocities being committed in Syria, as a way to justify that occupation is just an attempt to pull the wool over people's eyes. And people should be awake and aware of the fact that this is no justification. Well, I want to get some other stuff in. I just get the genocide in the thing for one second.

Very quickly. Very quickly. Omar, do you know what genocide means, the exact definition? I do. The destruction of a people in whole or in part. And every major human rights organization am a national code. Genocide is a term. Human rights watch, said genocidal ass.

Genocide is a term that was coined by a Holocaust survivor, a lawyer named Raphael Lemkin. Geno is an ethnicity. Side is mass murder. It is the intentional mass murder of an ethnicity. Now, if Israel was guilty of genocide, the first people they would have killed, all the Arab Muslim citizens

who are defenseless living in Nazareth, living in Jaffa, living in Haifa. And in fact, everyone thought that they may even rise up against Israel after October 7th. They are so content to be Israeli citizens there wasn't one uprising because they loved being Israeli citizens.

That's the first thing. Genocide, you don't even know what it means, respectfully. I'm not saying that ad hominem, you just know what it means. Number two. If Israel is guilty of genocide, Israel has nuclear weapons. Israel could have flattened.

So even according to Hamas numbers, about 47,000 people have died in Gaza since the beginning of the war. Let's assume that's, you know, Hamas health, let's assume they're true. Israel and Hamas both essentially say that it's about a one-to-one. Israel even admits more than Hamas. Israel says it might be a one-to-one-to-one-point-two of combatant to civilian deaths. Do you know what Winston Churchill was guilty of in the Second World War? One-to-four.

So you'll say that was not precision, but it's not true, because Churchill bombed at night because he didn't care about how many civilians he was killing. And the Americans used a special locator. They only did precision bombing during the day. America and Mosul, under President Obama, that was a one-to-four combatant to civilian ratio. I could go on. Israel has the lowest civilian casualty ratio in modern times.

And finally, you're speaking about the most densely populated place on Earth. So, given that, given that, let me just finish, please, given that Saddam Hussein killed 800,000 Arabs, given that Bashar al-Assad killed 600,000 Arabs, and given that even according to Hamas, Israel killed 47,000, and half are, and every one of them was too many, by the way, they're all Hamas's fault, and half are combatants. So you're telling me the 23,000 who are only killed as they live,

because Hamas puts their bases, their army bases, in kindergartens and in nurseries and in hospitals, that's a genocide. That's the purpose of targeting. of an ethnicity. Read about Raphael Lemkin. He was a hero. He got the 1948 anti-genocide agreement to which 183 nations are party to. And by the way, to all my Irish friends who are watching who accuses rule of genocide, Ireland signed a document that said that if a genocide is going on, they have to accept all those people guilty of it. I'm sorry, suffering under it into Ireland.

Do you know that Ireland hasn't taken one Palestinian refugee? You know that Britain hasn't taken, I think, like 100 refugees? If it's a genocide, why aren't? you clamoring for all the nations to finally take them in? Because you don't really believe it. Okay. Let me go to... Can I... Well, Omar, very quickly, but I want to go to Aaron on something else.

But very quickly respond. Sure. I'll keep this very brief. First of all, the rate of the killing of civilians in Gaza is unprecedented. Yes, there are other civil wars throughout the Arab world in which more people cumulatively were killed over a period of many years. But the rate of killing Palestinian children, especially in the opening months, after October 7th. They were killing 136 children per day. That is a number that is unprecedented,

now leading into the tens of thousands of Palestinian children. So we are seeing a rate of killing and destruction that is actually unprecedented. And it is demonstrated not just going to talk about, oh, you know, Churchill bomb people at night. You have a program. What's your source, please? I'm happy to provide them all. I'm happy to be able to say it on TV. Come on, don't tell me you're going to use chat CBT. Don't chat CBT debate. I don't remember what specific conversation. Well, I can tell you The resource is the Hamas one health authority. Hamas. Hamas is your source.

Thank you. But, but, and it's important. Well, hang on, hang on. It's an important. It's an important, but Hamas's figures previously before October the 7th in terms of casualty numbers have later been pretty accurate, it turned out, and accepted by Israel. Oh, I said that. By 47,000 one-to-one combatant to civilian ratio, lowest in modern history.

Yeah. No, it's not one-to-one. That part is a lie as well. But also, the key point is there are. 50% of the population of Gaza is under 18. So the ratio numbers don't count unless you factor in the fact that a disproportionate number of children have been killed. That is indisputable.

Let me bring Aaron in or something else. ICE has arrested the Palestinian leader of Columbia University's anti-Israel protests. Many people think this is a violation of free speech under the First Amendment. Others think that given Hamas is a terror group prescribed in America, they're perfectly entitled this administration to start deporting those who openly supported Hamas.

What do you say about this? The guy's name was Mahmoud Halil, who's a Palestinian refugee, raised in Syria. He was the lead student negotiator for the pro-Palestinian encampment at Columbia. And Colombia, of course, became a kind of epicenter

of pro-Palestinian student protest then. Many Americans were genuinely extremely offended by a lot of the pro-Hamas sentiment and insignia that was being seen on these protests. And it looks like now the Trump administration is moving on them. Here's what you call pro Hamas. I would just simply call anti-mass murder. That's what these brave Columbia students were protesting.

And I think it's an egregious attack on free speech that a permanent resident with a green card. He's married to a U.S. citizen. She's eight months pregnant, has been snatched from his home. He's not charged with anything. No one's indicted him for providing material support to Hamas or any other group

because this whole action is, simply political. It's an attack on free speech. These students who put up these encampments on campuses last year, I think that was one of the most courageous acts of moral conscience that we've seen in the U.S. in many, many years. And it outraged, it outraged the students just shouting and yelling outside. It's not that courageous. I think the point that people are making about why it was so offensive and egregious was the open, brazen support that so many of them seem to have specifically for Hamas. If you were there protesting,

supporting Palestinian civilians, okay, the Palestinian people. But the moment you are directly endorsing and supporting a terror group, surely all bets are off then. Why should America allow you to remain in the United States if you're endorsing a terror group? Secretary of State Marco Rubio

said on X about the arrest of Mr. Halil said, we'll be revoking the visas and all green cards of Hamas supporters in America so they can be deported. Many Americans will agree with that. Again, first of all, you have the right to free speech to support whoever you want. You can support Hamas if you want to.

Now, I went to these encampments. But he can't endorse terrorist activity, can you? Well, that is inciting terrorist. There was an endorsement of the right to resist military occupation, which is internationally recognized right. But if you endorse Hamas' behavior, you are endorsing terrorism,

is a crime, isn't it? If you promote and incite terrorism. No, it's not a crime. That's why he hasn't been charged with it. Well, he hasn't yet. If it's a crime, then why haven't he been charged with it? Let's wait and see. Well, he's not going to be charged with it because this is an attack on free speech.

Okay. Well, Rabbi Smirley, an attack on free speech. Many have said that. What do you say to that? Deport him now because he's not promoting free speech. He's promoting incitement to violence. Hate speech is actually outlawed in the United States. I love the First Amendment, but you cannot incite violence for people to be attacked.

Now, when they go to these encampments in Barnard or Berkeley, they're not just protesting. They're calling for Intifada now. They're calling for violence. They're calling for the murder of Jews. And they are endorsing Hamas. Aaron is being disingenuous. So many of them openly tell, they have no shame telling the AP, telling CNN, Fox, MSNBC, that they are absolutely pro-Kamas.

And Intifada now is a call for violence. incitement to violence in the age of the greatest tsunami of anti-Semitism since the Second World War, since the Holocaust, where Jewish students are harassed, intimidated, punched, beat up, kicked, spat on. We've seen it all. They're not even... You see, what October 7th did with Hamas filming their atrocities is inspire everyone else to do the same,

which is why we're seeing Al-Julani kill the Alawites, and they're all filming it. They're not even worried about the ICC prosecuting them, and that's what these students at Barnard doing. He should be deported. He's married to an American wife. That breaks my heart. But he's the one who did this to himself.

But Jewish students can go to university without fear of being murdered. And I would say one thing to you, Aaron, if I made. You say, just one second, please. No one's afraid of being murdered. By the way, I didn't know you were Jewish. You were my Jewish brother. Nothing will change that. May I just say, you know, I've been disappointed by many Jews since October 7th.

One of the last times I did Pierce's show, I debated Muhammad's job. One of his supporters attacked me in the Phantom Blue Hotel. most famous hotels in Miami Beach, Florida, one-third Jewish. And he came instead of a hominy job, and he threatened to murder me. It was film, four and a half minutes. And the Jewish owner, Jeffrey Sofer, billionaire, sued me, not him, to silence me because anti-Semitism is bad for business at the hotel. I've been disappointed by many Jews since October 7th.

But no Jew, plenty of anti-Semites, no Jew has ever called me a Nazi before. And I would really ask you in the remaining time of this show, just for your own credibility. I don't care. You're off the reservation, my brother. your credibility. This is going to stay on your Wikipedia page forever, and you're never going to live it down. So you've got a couple minutes left say, you know what? In the heat of the moment, I overstated it. I said that a Jew, because the Nazis killed 10,000 Jews every day. They gasped 1.5 million Jews. I've gasped no Arab. I've heard no Arab. I've never, I've defended Arab. Can I interject here? Just for your, just so you'll be invited back on shows, because otherwise you're going to be labeled and off the reservation extremists.

And I'd rather hear your voice. Rabbi Shulik. You have just a few minutes to take it back. Just say, I lost it. Excuse me. I was responding to you invoking the Nazi Holocaust. No, you said I'm a successor to the Nazis. You know, the problem with TV is that it's forever.

Just say you're sorry. Well, I have to say, I was pretty stunned. You said that, Aaron. I mean, to actually directly say he's a successor to the Nazis, given you know his history as a high-profile Jewish man and his family's history, I mean, it's about as an appalling an allegation you could make against anyone like Rabbi Shmuli, isn't it? Not nearly as appalling or supporting a genocide, frankly.

And if I can answer... Two things can be true at once. If I can answer. Aaron, yeah. He invoked the Nazi Holocaust to actually say we should not be negotiating with Hamas, who we compared to the Nazis. And my point was,

if we're going to be making analogies to the Nazi Holocaust, and the fact is you have a Jewish supremacist state that believes it's superior, has more rights than the Palestinians of that land, has put the people of Gaza under a medieval siege, subjected them to mass murder, put them in a concentration camp. And in that respect, that's where the analogy to...

Of course, no analogy is perfect. I'm not saying that Israeli crimes are on par with that of the Nazis. Nothing compared to what the Nazis did to Jews and other groups. So was it fair to say he's a successor to a Nazi? I mean, seriously. I'm saying my point was,

if you're going to be invoking the Nazi Holocaust, the current successor to the Nazi to the Nazi legacy of supremacy and mass murder are Israel and it's okay fine okay I got it so I'm a Nazi Israel's not so I'm a minute one second Aaron one second one second a point of the student I'm not how to respond to that I'm not how to respond to that a moment I'll come to you just one second a point of historical fact you keep on saying that Israel denies Gazans Palestinians rights I mean I'm just shocked by this again I just want to speak fact right now Israel has 1.9 million Arab Muslim citizens who not only enjoy every right that in Israeli has, they enjoy more rights.

If Israel is an apartheid state, it's that they're actually oppressing Jews. I'll prove it easily. My sons had to go to war, even though they're Americans, because there's a draft only against Jews. Now, if you think a draft to go to war, and for me and my wife to not sleep for the past 10 months, as our sons were forced to fight the Hamas terrorists in Gaza, the Hamas terrorists of Hezbollah in Lebanon, that's not easy. Every time we saw 972 code number, we couldn't sleep at night. What tore America apart in the 1960s,

where it was even more divided than right now under Trump? It was the draft. It was the draft. It was the draft. So Arabs have complete rights. Israel is not... Gaza's not in Israeli state.

What do you mean? Unless they're in Gaza. Right. Israel was... Wait, one second, please. Please. Unless there in Gaza or the West Bank. I'm a historian of the Holocaust.

I wrote a book called the Holocaust Holiday. When you say that Gaza, is a concentration cap? Let me get this straight. Have you ever visited Gross Rosen, Mathausen, Berkinau, Auschwitz 1, Auschwitz 3? Have you ever visited Buchanvalv? Have you ever Bergen-Belsen? Are you telling me there are concentration camps that don't have soldiers in them? Are you telling me the SS? There isn't one Israeli soldier in Gaza ever. They only went in after October 7th.

Because in 2006, Hamas, which you said was elected, even though we can question the election. But let's say it was legitimate. they decided to steal every dollar that came in that could have built power plants, that could have built schools and hospitals, and they built terror tunnels and they built Qasem rockets. So Israel is not denying them a single right. And to call it a concentration cap, with all due respect, is a fundamental desecration of the Holocaust.

And a desecration of the memory of the six million. I'm not alone in that. Gura Island also called them at Bruch-Kimberling. Plenty of Israelis have called it that as well, because that's exactly what you. Name one. Name one, Israeli. Name one.

In one Israeli. Baruch Kimmerling. Have you heard of him? He's a nobody. He's a very famous. Has anyone watching this heard of Baruch Kimmer? Tell me one prominent Israeli who called, who said that Israel are Nazis. Tell me one.

Yorah Island. Who? Giora Island. You know who he is, right? I have no idea who these people are. Tell me someone who actually has stature. I mean, I'll tell you that. Barakovich, Barakovich said it.

All right. I will say, I think it was wrong. I think it was wrong to say that, Aaron. I do. I think I was incredibly surprised. You said it. I just think you cannot possibly equate a bunch of Jews to the Nazis. It's just it's incomprehensible to me.

Let me come to Omar for this last point. This is Trump's world vision for Gaza, the Riviera. Let's take a look at a look to remind ourselves how Trump saw this. He reposted an AI video on truth social. Now, it's been roundly ridiculed that, obviously, but the effect of it is exactly what I thought might happen, which is it was such an outlandish idea that Trump had, that all the Palestinians would simply leave

and you'd build a new Riviera there and so on, that it's forced the Arab world to come together and to come up with an alternative plan, which they now have, a $53 billion plan for the post-war reconstruction of a Gaza strip. You know, sometimes you have to look, as I say, Trump will take things to the nth degree to force people to a negotiating table

to actually get stuff done. I mean, do you see a bit of method to the madness there? Yeah, I'm not entirely convinced, to be honest, that this kind of vision is part of the reason why other countries were pushed to come up with a plan as quickly, maybe spit it up, came up with it a little faster, but the only plan that you need for Gaza

is for Israel to get the hell out of Gaza and just whatever happens from there happens, it's just not Israel's business. But, peers, I don't want this segment to end without me addressing the student issue that you mentioned a little bit earlier. Because this kid, Mahmoud Khalil, has basically been smeared by the Trump administration, by Marco Rubio on Twitter, by accusing him of being a Hamas supporter and a terrorist supporter. Well, is he? This student has said nothing of the kind. He's guilty of being a part of a protest in which people are protesting genocide.

And then maybe every once in a while, somebody might say something that is off-putting or awful. But how do you know he's not a dynamic in which there are, he has, nobody has made any allegations or presented any evidence that he has said or done anything. You just said Marco Rubio then. You just said more the Secretary of the United States did. Yes, without any evidence. Without any evidence is what I'm saying. There's no evidence against him.

But they are building. But actually, but actually, that is. I have to finish this thought. Well, that is an important point of distinction. I mean, if he's going to be deported for supporting Hamas, you do surely have to present evidence that he has supported Hamas. I don't think leading a protest group where most of them behaved peacefully and were not brazenly supporting Hamas would be enough, in my eyes,

to justify what would then be surely an infringement of his First Amendment rights. I want America to be a nation of laws. I want Muslim Americans. There are, of course, as American as George Washington and Abraham Lincoln. The word American is infinitely applicable. But you'd have to have shown support for Hamas? But he's not an American. That's the point.

So he can be deported. His wife's American. I hate to see him as part of part. But he made his choice. But if the reason given by the Secretary of State Marker Rubio is that he supported Hamas, it is surely in the interest of justice and fairness that there is some evidence shown to the American people that he actually did support Hamas. There will be due process.

And of course the administration and ICE will have to provide evidence. That's the United States of America. But I will say that to say that these were people, protest. So far has been snatched and disappeared. I think one of the reasons that Trump won the election, including shocking the world by winning the popular vote, was because of these demonstrations.

They were anything but peaceful. People saw total anarchy. They saw our best universities, all the Ivy League universities, Brown and Harvard and Berkeley and Columbia being burned to the ground. They saw Jewish students being spat out. We saw Jewish students, excuse me, Aaron. We saw Jewish students at Harvard being beaten to a pulp with nothing being done. And we Jews are kind of sick of it.

And if you think we're just... Wait, wait, since you spoke Aaron so much about us being a white supremacist, you know, Israel, I'm actually American. I'm not Israeli, but I love Israel, I'm Jewish. What about... America can't be a supremacist state either were Jews or second-class citizens.

Students who work hard to get into Harvard do not deserve to be beaten up because they were a Kipa. And I've been to these protests, and they were disgusting. And I want to tell you how many times that my life has been threatened. I told you, I told you my life was threatened.

at the fountain blue Miami Beach. My life was threatened in Times Square. My wife was almost punched out by a Muhammad job supporter outside Carnegie Hall. Here's the thing. We can all agree that violence is unacceptable at any protest. But we should also all agree that the fundamental bedrock of a society, a democracy like America, is the right, the free right to protest. So the question then becomes, as Omar has said, whether this character, who is clearly leading the student

protest, but was he directly endorsing or supporting Hamas? And I do think it's reasonable to ask that question, that does the government have evidence that he was actually supporting Hamas? Fair question. To me, if they does, it should present it, and then that to me would be absolutely fair grounds for deportation. I have evidence. I have evidence. If there's no evidence, it's a smear on top of another smear. If no evidence is produced, it just looked like, people will then say, Well, where's the evidence? And that doesn't work. Pierce, what if he didn't support?

I don't know. Aaron, Aaron, sorry? I have evidence that Rabbi Shmuli is supporting the terror state of Israel. Does that mean he should lose his rights? No, he has rights. You have evidence? I want you to provide it. Go ahead.

Go ahead. Well, Israel is not a... No, no, no, no, no, no, wait. You just say, wait, wait, wait, so, Aaron, Aaron, I'm giving you a chance. Well, no, I can answer that question, because Israel is not a prescribed terror group in the United States. So the analogy doesn't apply. You might want it to, Aaron. He's saying...

Well, Aaron might want it to, but the reality is that one is a terror group prescribed in America and one isn't. So until that changes the law, is that if you were to endorse a mass violence, that would be a crime. Yes, finally, Oma. I've got to go to the first speech, actually.

Just last word. The smear against this one student is built on the other smear, which is that these protests are somehow anti-Semitic, when many of these protests are led by progressive Jewish voices, Jewish voices... Yeah, but there was anti-Semitism

among the protesters too. I saw it. You have to be kidding. Two students were beaten up, sad-on. Some of those protests were... But the double standard. Some of them were definitely anti-Semitism. I saw it. So there's no question. Yes, but there's a double standard in that pro-Israel demonstrations

where they attack, we've seen them on video at U.S.C.LA, in which pro-Israel... UCLA is the only example you can give because it's the only place where it happened out of pro-Palestine protesting. I think we should all support the right to free protests. And in America, there should be a bedrock. But if people openly support an illegal prescribed terror organization... Or engage in violence, like burn down the universities.

Or engage in violence. Then either of those things, if you're not an actual American citizen, there should be grounds for deportation. Which he's not excused. But I do think Omar's raised a good point. Let's see some evidence. Let's show the American people how this guy actually supported Hamas. Then it's a different argument.

Without that, people will ask that very question with good reason. I've got to leave it there. It's been a very interesting debate. Thank you all very much. Thank you, Thank you, Pierce. Appreciate it. Pierce Morgan Unsensit is proudly independent. The only boss around here is me. If you enjoy our show, we ask only one simple thing. Hit subscribe on YouTube and follow Pierce Morgan Unsensored on Spotify and Apple Podcast. And in return, we will continue our mission to inform, irritate and entertain. And we'll do it all for free. Independent Unsensor Media has never been more critical, and we couldn't do it without

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