Piers Morgan Uncensored - “You DON’T Speak For Me!” Piers Morgan vs Andre Williams On Racism, Reparations & US-Israel

Episode Date: October 16, 2026

Warning: This episode includes explicit language, including the N-word. The backlash against woke culture has reshaped the political and cultural landscape. But when the pendulum swings too far in one direction, what happens when it swings back? In the aftermath of George Floyd’s murder, legitimate anger at racial injustice increasingly became entangled with debates over defunding the police, racial quotas, corporate virtue signalling, white guilt and reparations. For many, the response to being told “you can’t say that” was to say precisely that — and then push even further. Now, a new wave of self-described edgelords is testing the limits of the backlash. Among them is Andre Williams, who has recently attracted attention through appearances on conservative podcasts and a series of viral clips defending controversial positions, including the claim that “slavery was good for black people”. But does he genuinely believe what he says? Is he an example of the backlash against woke culture going too far, or is there something else at play? Piers Morgan is joined by controversial commentator and influencer Andre Williams, academic and host of BET News, Marc Lamont-Hill, and Brandon Tatum, aka The Officer Tatum, to discuss. Piers Morgan Uncensored is proudly independent and sponsored by: Cozy Earth: Head to https://cozyearth.com and use my code PIERS for an exclusive 20% off on home and sleepwear! (00:00:00) Introduction   (00:02:16) Andre Williams defends his controversial opinions on the black community (00:07:00) Marc Lamont-Hill responds to Andre  (00:11:33 Officer Tatum responds to Andre’s previous comments about him  (00:15:30) Andre on making clear distinctions in the black community  (00:19:56) Andre’s popularity with a section of the black community  (00:22:34) Piers challenges Andre over pro-slavery comments  (00:34:16) Officer Tatum and Marc clash with Andre over his need for going viral  (00:40:49) Andre on ‘black fatigue’ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Your first Spotify ad is just a few clicks away. Launch a campaign today in minutes with Spotify Ads Manager. You published a video entitled Why Slavery Was Good for Black People. Well, you know why I said that? Because it's true. Would I rather be in Africa or the United States of America, the most powerful country in the world? I think slavery was good for us because it gave us this sense of resilience. It strengthened us. Scholars have demonstrated the impact of slavery on modern-day black people.

It's not like we're saying, hey, reach in your pocket and give a black guy a dollar. What we're saying is as a nation, a harm has been done and a repair has to be done. See, I don't know why you're talking like you gangster or something on here, bro. You grow a little afro, got your mustache, and you live in Chicago and you think you're tough. If Pierce Morgan, Brandon Tatum, and Mark Lamont Hill are all in agreement, that says more about you than it does us. Because we haven't agreed on shit in human life. The backlash against woke culture was so furious and complete, the one world-famous personality was moved to write a best-selling book about it.

And as I wrote last year, a big catalyst for the backlash was a growing weariness about racial identity politics. Many decent people who were rightly furious about George Floyd's murder very quickly ended up on the wrong side of the argument as it morphed into defunding the police,

job quotas, corporate virtue signalling, white guilt, white shame and reparations. In this case of many more, the collective response to being told you can't say that was an impulse to say exactly that and worse. The problem with swinging pendulums is, of course, that they swing just as far in both directions.

And after the common-sense glow of the original backlash, a minor industry of new edge lords are sprung up to push the boundaries to breaking point. Andre Williams may be doing just that. He's recently enjoyed a spate of appearances on conservative podcast yielding many viral clips in which he defends opinions, including the slavery was good for black people. Does he mean it?

Is he the living embodiment of a pendulum which has swung too far, or is he just a shameless grifter? Well, two of my guests for this debate are firmly in the latter camp, even though as regular viewers know, they're from polar opposite sides of the political spectrum. They agreed to debate Andre Williams to see if there's any substance behind his shock factor. You can make up your own minds. By the end, I decided the answer to that question is an incontrovertible no. Viewers of a sensitive disposition should consider themselves warned there was a lot of explicit language in this debate, including the N-word.

We're joining us now is the aforementioned Andre Williams, controversial commentator and influence. Mark Lamont Hill, academic and host of BetNews, and Brandon Tatum, aka the officer Tatum. Now, I'm going to start for viewers who have no idea who you are, Andre. I'm going to start with some of the things you've posted in the last few weeks. And I will say at the start of this, if these were actually coming from my mouth, I would now be canceling myself in real time because any white man that said these things would never work again. So just to be clear, these are the words of you, Andre Williams.

You said, black Americans are lazy and entitled. It pisses me off that immigrants come from this country and work harder than black people. Then you said, I hate black people. Our entire culture is so backward and violent. Growing up black is no different than growing up being raised by animals. Masculine black women raised black men to be submissive and supportive of black women's bullshit. No other community operates in this way. Black people's only achievement is being good at sports.

That's absolutely fucking pathetic. Black people hate me for telling the truth, but one put that same energy into hating the people who commit crimes and sell drugs in our community. Now, A, I don't agree with any of the things you've said there. B, like I said, if I was me saying that, I'd be gone, torched, driven out, finished as a broadcaster. But C, a lot of it is so obviously nonsense.

Like, black people's only achievement is being good at sports. You know, I put to you that President Barack Obama is black and was the leader of the free world for eight years. He wasn't a sportsman, although he's quite handy with the hoops. In other words, I think you said all of these things to antagonize, to rile for clicks and so on, but you must know even as you're saying it, that it's bullshit. No, not at all peers.

I appreciate you reading those off. No, I believe in everything that I said. I grew up in a household that taught this. I'm not just somebody who's just saying it's just because of the clicks or the internet. I really don't care about that. Anyone who's ever worked with me, served with me, been around me knows that I believe in these things.

When we look at black people today, the current culture is very toxic and destructive to black people. And there's a difference between niggas and black people. I'm saying these things do piss off the niggas in our community that offer absolutely nothing for black people who are hardworking. who are honest and want something better for themselves. So when we talk about the achievements of black people, black people only participate in sensation rather than reflection. Thomas Jefferson said this. And I think at the time he was, of course, speculating, but we see it today that black

people, our politics, is really based around sports and entertainment. Yes, Barack Obama, a fantastic individual, a shining example of black excellence. He was a leader of the free world. But, you know, many black people would say that he's not black. He's mixed race. They'll argue this all day and say that he's not actually black, he's not fully black. This is a level of tribalism that we have within the community. This is a level of hatred that we have among our own selves. And this is a big problem. So calling this out is necessary.

You can't do it because you're a white man. Well, it's good to have a 25, but to be a 26-year-old black man saying it, it's important for us to have these kind of conversations. Well, you first went viral with the video where you said there were four types of black people. In it, you argued only 20% of the community are blacks with good moral character, i.e., they work hard and look after their families. So what does that make the other 80% in your eyes? You've got blacks, you've got house negroes,

which I would say that both Brandon Tatum and Mark represent that class of black people. You've got niggas, and then you've got niggers. You have to be honest with this. Niggers are very violent. They're the most violent people within the community. Niggers are entitled and lazy. They rather sit back and complain of slavery

and Jim Crowe and all these things rather than building up and doing something for us. as the people. And then the house, Negroes, will sit back and use the emotions of black people, the pain of black people to profit. We see this with Ben Crump right now with the Nolan Wells case. We've seen this with Trayvon Martin, George Floyd, and even going back to the 1960s with Rosa Parks, they'll use these instances to drum up this emotion with black people to get them to either come out and vote or to continue to buy and, you know, reelect these same people that do nothing from. Look at what's happening in Chicago with Mayor Brandon Johnson. He's doing a

terrible job there. And black people will continue to support people like this because they're black. So I don't think I've said anything wrong. I think it's all substantiated in how we see the culture today. All right. Mark Lamont Hill, your response. So many things were said. I'll respond to a few of them. I'd like to start by just saying that this conversation should be civil and respectful. And I don't think we need to name call or lump each other into offensive piles. I think we can we can be decent to one another. I think that the important thing to do

when we make assessments, particularly when we talk in percentages, about our community, is to actually have evidence or data or statistics. So when we say only 20% of black people are doing this or 80% of black people feel like that, I always would love to hear

or see evidence, data, statistics, some sort of expert opinion, informed opinion placed into the conversation so that we're not just hurling random provocative statements. Pears, I think you're right

that if you were to say some of these things, you would be, I don't want to use the word cancel because I think that just becomes a distraction. To be clear, when I read these comments,

I just imagined myself saying them, obviously to be obvious, I don't agree with any of them, but if I said them on air, I wouldn't work again on air. period. I mean, that is, I think, an indisputable fact about this. Now, I have to... Would they make them on so periods? That's one of the... That's one of the... Just let me, let me...

Andre, hold on, just allow me to finish as I did you. And so I think that, you know, one of the problems in this society is that we can become so focused on who's doing the talking or the identity of the person doing an action that we lose sight of the truth value or the impact of the thing. itself. In other words, I don't like it, no matter who says it. I don't think a white person should have a license to say that, but I don't think a black person should have a license to say things that are untrue or improper. We can have debates about what's true and what's not, but I don't think anyone's whiteness or blackness should give them license. Did you agree with

any of the quotes that I read out? Did you agree with anything, he said? Absolutely not. And what I also saw was a goalpost moving, right? It starts with black people are lazy. And then the goalpost moves to, well, there, look, there are some black people in our community who are lazy. Of course there are. There are lazy black people, lazy white people, lazy people of all races. But making a broad, a broad brush statement about the black community is different than saying that there are people inside of the community who are. And then when you point out the fact that black people have accomplished, or when he says black people have accomplished nothing except sports, there's tons of evidence to the contrary in all fields of human

endeavor. But when you say, oh, here's Barack Obama. He says, yeah, but there are black people who don't accept him as black. There is not a poll. There is not a survey. There is not general understanding. There's not even significant anecdotal evidence to suggest that black people don't see Barack Obama as black. Are there some people who will have that conversation? Of course, there's somebody who will say the moon is made of blue cheese. But at the core, black people clearly receive him as black. So even that kind of statement becomes a diversion when you don't have actual data and evidence. And I think the most disappointing thing finally is that these narratives are being advanced by a black person because there are white people in the world

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Officer Taylor, welcome back to Unsensored. Because, to be fair to Andre Williams, he doesn't just criticize left or right. He criticizes both from what I've seen. And he's poured particular scorn on you. He said this about you recently. Brandon Tatum. I don't know if you're familiar with Brandon Tatum. I'm not a big fan of him at all.

Really? No. Tell me why. The reason being is that he's a country boy. And there's nothing wrong with being a country boy. Don't get me wrong. I met a lot of great country boys. But can he, is he relatable to me?

can I relate to this guy? I really can't. I can't relate to him. We vote the same. We have the same political opinions when it comes to maybe voting. But what I want, the end goal, the end result is completely different. He's in it for the money. He's in it for the clicks, the attention. I don't think there's anything good coming from him. And then also, I would say, he's very pro-establishment, pro-Republican party, which is very- Have you spoken to him? I've never met. I would love to meet him. I would love to debate him as well. He's a pretty good guy. I think it'd be a good conversation. Well, he's got his wish, Officer Taylor. Tim, what do you want to say to him?

Well, I don't have much to say to him, man. He hasn't accomplished enough to even speak about me, to be quite honest. You know, I do agree with some of the things that he say, but I do think is hyperbolic, you know, and he talks about me as if I'm doing it for attention, which I'm not, I've been doing this a very long time. You can make a point that there's violence

in a black community without acting as if every black person is this way or the majority of black person, people are that way. And to be honest as well, I mean, if we vote very similar, what's your beef with me? You don't know me. You never met me. You don't have any proof that somehow I'm doing this for money.

That's just a lame excuse. And in part, it makes me feel as if you wish you were like me. And that's the problem with your rhetoric. I agree. Okay. If that's what you want to sit back and say, of course, Mark is going to- You explain why you say I'm a house negro. You explain why you say I'm doing this for the money.

Where's your evidence? I would say this. So here's this. I'll say this, especially with the pro-Israel rhetoric, that is a key giveaway of the pro-establishment narrative that's coming from you. That's not a poor establishment narrative. I'm a Christian. It certainly is.

You're a Christian? Well, guess what? Israel is not a Christian nation, all right? What are we talking about? Jews have never been really loyal to Christians. Jesus Christ was in Israel. All of the monuments that we worship and all the things that are foundational to our faith is in Israel. What are you saying?

They behave. They called out the Jews. for their behavior and their usury and condemn them for. And guess what the Jews had Jesus killed? This is a fact. Oh, yeah. And also the Jews were his apostles as well. And the Jews, this is deeply anti-smitter-offensive.

Well, you know, he's ignorant. The point is that he's ignorant. It ain't got nothing to do with offense. You're ignorant, brother. You're saying that the Jews, you said the Jews killed Jesus. The Romans killed Jesus. But the Jews were also his apostles who spread the gospel of Jesus Christ around the world. They have and supplied information to the Romans to have.

Were the apostles not Jews? Were the apostles not Jews? Was not the warrior. Hold on. Jesus was killed because he was not going to be a warrior to fight for the Jews. They found him to be a hippie that got killed for his troubles. He found him to be a weak man. That's what they call him.

Where? Where is this information at? Any Jewish literature and any rabbi will tell you this, this is something that black conservatives constantly do, that they want to move away from the conversation on Israel. You're somebody who says that there's no genocide going on in Gaza. I mean, that's kind of, you know, that's false right there. Mark wants to sit back and say, well, you know, what you're saying is anti-Semitic. See, every time someone says

the troop about a people, we get these titles of you're racist, you're anti-Semitic. You know, when we can sit back, I can sit here and criticize black people for the behavior of the problems that we have. And I make a clear distinction. I think this is something that many of you are not really looking at. I made a clear distinction between black people, niggas and niggers. I think that's something that we can all examine. I think that when we look at successful black people in our community, the successful, hardworking black people in the middle class or upper middle class, they're doing very well. But when we look at the crime, we look at the entitleness, we look at the constant begging and just voting in the middle

class. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. We look at the constant voting thing. Is that not a fact? You know, we look at the constant voting with the Democratic Party. Hold on. We look at the constant voting with the Democratic Party. Black people are not voting independently. We're voting just because the party is, you know, good for us. So this party sounds good for us. And then someone like he would say, well, you know, we should vote Republican. Why am I going to vote for two pieces of shit. I'm going to vote for the same piece of real estate twice. Why am I going to vote for Republicans that really offered nothing but being pro-Israel?

I think we heard your nonsense. I mean, we finish. Can you listen to Andre, I don't have I don't have confidence. No, you make no points. You say, well, we shouldn't vote for Republicans. We shouldn't vote for Republicans then. Then who should we vote for?

We shouldn't vote. We should. Black people died. this country to have the opportunity to vote. We shouldn't vote for nobody. We shouldn't vote for Republicans because you don't like that Trump supports Israel right now. I don't like that Trump has abandoned everything, especially on which hurts black people. That's something that he's abandoned completely. And now we're seeing the effects of that. And this is why they're going to get treated in the midterms. I said the Trump is abandoned. I want to everything. Let me bring, let me bring mom back in. Yeah, I just, I just want to reiterate a point that I said sort of as,

as Andre was talking, and again, this idea of attacking, or I won't use the word attacking, although it was an attack, this idea of applying blanket statements to Jews around the world, to Jewish people, to Jews as a nation, as a people, as a religion, however you identify Jews, to say Jews are this or Jews are that, is deeply anti-Semitic. To accuse Jews of killing Jesus is deeply and profoundly anti-Semitic. I agree, I agree, and I would say, hang on, hang on, hang on. All right, hang on on, you've had plenty of trust to speak. I would agree, and I would say that it's my particular problem with all the quotes I read out,

where he just generalizes about all black people, right? The moment you're generalizing like that, to me, you just immediately lose your argument. The moment you started going on about the Jews, I thought, well, here we go. We've got another one of these casual anti-Semites who just thinks that's perfectly normal to just go after an entire group of people because of their Jews. In the same way that you go after all black people in these statements, it's preposterous. You have to go after all black people.

You literally do time and again. You don't say black people are lazy. No, I don't. You said black people are lazy. What's interesting is you made multiple categories. You made multiple categories. And Andrew, you're the one. Allow me to speak.

Okay. I heard you. I heard you completely, but it was my turn to speak. So I want to ask that you not talk as I talk. Okay. you made, as I was saying, you made multiple categories. Black people was the good category. You said that you got all these kinds of people.

Black people were the good people. But in your quotes, you literally said black people are lazy. That is my point. Even your labeling of black people as good as contradicted by your, your overreaching, overarching statements about black people as negative in other contexts. No, it's not in home. Your language is without nuance. You not even do research.

It really shows your level of intelligence right there. I mean, I would say you're a very educated and very successful black man. You're the black people that I'm really trying to speak for. But right here, you're really showing your intelligence here. You don't speak for black people. I do speak for black people. And here's the big difference between myself and the two of you. I live in the community.

I talk to black people. You just said I'm the kind of black person you speak for. I'm telling you that you don't speak for me. Me either. Chip out all you want. But as somebody that lives in Detroit, someone who's around black people. I don't know. Pears, this is an example of what I mean. He's been talking over the entire time. I interrupted once to clarify a point that he made and he says I'm chimping out. Again,

this kind of racist rhetoric isn't for black people. Black people use expressions like that. Let me ask you, Mark. Let me ask you, Mark. Andre Williams has got a following, right? You know, it appears he's popular with a section of the black community in America. How do you explain that? Why? I've never seen any evidence that he's popular with the black community in America. I can't, if you say it's true, I'd ask for evidence of it. I had no idea who he was until about an hour ago. So I can't say that that's the case.

And I know who Brandon Tatum is. He and I don't agree on anything. This is probably the first time we've agreed on a point probably in life. But I know who he is. He knows who I am because we do represent portions of the black community, portions of our respective political communities. Andre Williams, to me, is someone who I'm unfamiliar with. That's not a diss.

That's not an attack. I just don't know. so I can't argue, answer a question that's premised on him being well regarded among black people. I think he's destined for anonymity among black people. Let me add this. I think that, you know, Andre is trying to be the black version of Nick Fuentes that comes out, say, some hyperbolic, superfluous stuff to get attention. There are people that do follow Andre because some of the things that he say is accurate. He's just do it at a crazy level and say some hyperbolic things.

You know, do black people need to work on things in the community? Yes. And this young man don't know nothing about me or Mark. I grew up in a black community. Just because you live there now, you claim, doesn't mean nothing. I grew up in the hood. I know what I'm talking about. Of course, I've been very successful.

So I'm not living in poverty anymore. That's the reason why I don't live in a black neighborhood. And I happen to live in Arizona where there's 5% black people out here. So none of that I live in a problem. Black community means anything. You need to be an intelligent young man. You're immature. You're a 20-year-old immature man.

I bet you a million dollars you also think that you shouldn't get married and all this old crazy stuff that immature young men like you. Well, there are several things that he's also said. I mean, I'll come back to you, Andre Williams. You said, you published a video entitled, Why Slavery Was Good for Black People. And you went as far as saying black people who hate America I need to be deported to Africa.

So this concept of why slavery was good for black people, you can laugh, but to a lot of black people, they'd find that deeply offensive. All the black people I know would find that deeply offensive. Why just, why do that? Why publish a video as a black man? You're clearly not unintelligent. You're eloquent.

You're a good talker. I don't agree with what you're saying. And I find it offensive, but that doesn't really matter. I'm not a black American. But if I'm a black American, I've got a guy like you out there with a following, with a microphone, saying things like why slavery was good for black people. I would feel incredibly angry about that.

Why do it? Well, you know why I said that? Because it's true. I mean, would I rather be in Africa or the United States of America, the most powerful country in the world? I think slavery was good for us because it gave us this sense of resilience. It strengthened us. Just like many great atrocities,

a great, you know, great conflicts throughout here. human history, it's empowered people to do more and go beyond that. Now, today, we sit back and cry about it. Oh, slavery was so bad. Slavery was horrible. I guess what we could be living somewhere else. We could not be in this country and achieve the great things that we achieve now. So this is why I'm talking about the tweets. According to you, black people don't achieve anything outside of sports. Let's bring Mark Lamont Hill back in. This concept, as he's just tried to explain it, I mean, seems preposterous to me. How is it preposterous? Of course it is. Not at all.

The question was for me, Andre. Andre, you're, you're injured that primate length. You were talking about. Allow me to, allow me to finish, please. And after I finish, you can finish. That's what civilized people do. Thank you. I think any horrific incident in human history,

I don't care if it's Cambodia, Germany, the United States, wherever, when awful human atrocities happen, I think that our focus should be on the suffering and our suffering should be on repair, reparation of the thing that happened. To minimize that thing, to minimize that thing by saying that it was a good event is disgusting. People were raped. People were killed. People were hanged. People had limbs cut off. Awful. Awful things happen. You seem to have a problem not interrupting. You talk about other people's impulsive behaviors.

you're always criticizing and pathologizing black people's impulsivity, and you're the only one here, and you're the only person here who can't, who can't stop talking. Just relax. Young man, please. Young man, young man, please, relax. Allow me to finish my statement. Allow me to,

Pierce, I won't stay if he continues to do this. No, I agree. Andre, you've got to respect the rights of other panelists to speak. Andre, don't interrupt him. Let him speak. Yeah, just, I'll talk in a three-old. This is really simple. We make Chevrolet vehicles, but what you do with them makes them so much more.

You make them mobile offices, your kids' personal taxi, a concert shuttle, your hockey equipment locker, your recording studio. We make a Chevrolet, but you make it a Chevy. Discover yours at Chevrolet.ca. Mark. If Pierce Morgan, Brandon, Brandon, and Mark Lamont Hill are all in agreement, that says more about you than it does us. Because we haven't agreed on shit in human life. I mean, the one thing I would say about... That's not because of us.

We are into one unprecedented territory. The one thing I would say about this, the reparations part of what you said is interesting. And this is where I might find myself agreeing with Andre Williams, who I know is fiercely opposed this, because we've just... This concept that people today should be paying billions and billions of dollars as reparations for the slavery era, I think, is ridiculous. Because if you take that argument, you could go back to, you know, the Roman hordes invading, the Viking hordes invading. I could claim to be a victim of the Vikings in England, you know, whatever.

I just think it's absurd. You can acknowledge that it was wrong. You can express deep regret for it. But the idea of paying financial compensation to people today for stuff that happened 200 years ago is, I think, ridiculous. Well, so let me, I'm going to answer that. uninterrupted. First, again, when I was talking about repair and reparation, I wasn't necessarily just talking about slavery reparations. I was speaking more in the general sense of fixing a harm that was done, although I do support reparations for descendants of American slavery here in

the United States. And I'll answer that question directly. But I was talking about that, the idea that if we accept as you do peers that this was an awful thing, to say it was a good thing is disturbing and it is disgusting and it ignores the harm that happened to all the people. Now, with regard to reparations, this idea of saying, oh, it's just like if I said I'm a victim of the Romans, those, that's apples and oranges, and here's why. One, we're not that far from, my great-grandparents were enslaved in the United States. My great-grandparents, so we're not talking about thousands of years ago. We're not talking with some nebulous or unclear connection.

The U.S. economy was built on the labor, the extracted and exploited labor of U.S. people. The South, the cotton economy in the South helped build American capitalism. All the, all the institutions. in top of the universities, in terms of the railroad companies, the insurance companies. The American Empire was built on that, and we continue as black people to pay a cost, a sociological cost, an economic cost, an emotional cost, a psychological cost, for the harm that was done by slavery. And it is calculable. Again, this is not abstract. Scholars have done the work. Scholars have demonstrated the impact of slavery on modern-day black people. and the white people who are being asked to take this seriously, it's not like we're saying, hey, reach in your pocket

and give a black guy a dollar. What we're saying is as a nation, a harm has been done and a repair has to be done, just like it was done to Japanese who were interned, just like it was done to people who were harmed in the hall. Okay, well, let me, all right, let me give Andreo Triles to respond to that. It's ridiculous. This is the person talking about scholars, but he believes, you know, trans men are a thing, and that's a good thing.

Okay. The reason for why I'm pushing back so much, because this is the class of black people that, I would say the house Negroes are from the community, that black people like myself are directly harmed by. They do the bidding of the establishment. They bring these establishment talking points about, oh, well, you know, we need to get reparations, which would be disastrous for black people. We know economically will destroy this country, and we'll bring even more racial hatred towards black people than anything. And then we have the conservatives that want to just bootlick for the Republican Party, which the Republican Party will do absolutely nothing. for black people, has done nothing for black people. And this is why black conservatism is so dead and unrelatable. Going back to what I said, you know, when I left the army, I came back home to my community and spoke with so many black people that hear these issues. They see the crime here in Detroit, places like Chicago, Baltimore, and so on. And they're tired of it. And it's good to see someone from this generation, Z, Black Gen Z, that are frustrated with the failures of the black millennials and even Black Gen Xers that have done nothing but push drugs into the community,

push music that's destructive to the identity of black women and black men. And so when I'm calling out these problems of black people, we have to understand that black culture and nigger culture, nigger culture is black culture, that the identity of niggas is taken over the identity of what it means to be a black person, a black man. The black people who are hardworking are not the majority. They are the exception, not the rule. I would say the three of us are the exceptions, not the rule. My goal is to make sure that black people who have a voice and call out these issues have a voice and can speak on these things openly. So to sit back and hear this, you know, reparations is good for black people.

Like I said, that's that kind of money going to black people won't go anywhere. When you have a culture that does not help people to actually invest, doesn't tell people to actually build up something, hold on to things, maintain things. We see this in the pre-army black cities, that our politicians are corrupt. Our businesses are failing. 81% of black businesses fail. We look at the household, the structure of the household, 70% of black children. are born out into single-parent households.

It's disastrous. We're going to give money to whom? For what? What would they do with it? Nothing. So, I mean, it's sad that my point is always proven every time I show up among black people, but, you know, you can sit back and be mad at what I'm saying,

but you can't say what I'm saying is not true. Okay, I'll visitate him. Your response to that? Well, you know, if this young man was mature and lived, I think, a reasonable life, maybe if he knew God, he would have a more nuanced response to this. It is clear that black people deserved reparations when slavery was abolished, when it was over. Black people were done dirty.

It was already clear. 40 acres in the mural was something that they deserved. It was taken from them. So when we get to today, we're past that point. We cannot functionally give black people reparations because it's impossible almost to find the lineage of people who were directly descendants of slaves. Even today, they claim that black people can't have an ID to vote. How in the world we're going to find out who was actually a descendant of slavery? And then you talk about mixed-race couples and all this other stuff.

We're kind of beyond that point. So I think that it's fair to establish that black people deserved it. They did not get what they deserved. It was unfair. And then now we have to move on and find better ways to succeed economically in the system that we currently live in. When you talk about slavery, you know, the Andre says that it was good for black people. Well, you can say that God delivered black people through a, terrible time in history, God was able to turn a mess into a success.

I think black people have done very well in America since slavery in comparison to how black people are functioning around the world. There's a way to express it without trying to be viral and in Salus' ridiculous stuff. I don't think you watched the video. I literally said that. Well, nobody watch the videos. Do anybody?

No, no, who you are. Quit acting like you somebody. You need to put you. You need to put some skin in the game before. before you start running around acting like you deserve clout. Put some skin in the game. Put some skin in the game. I've helped people out in my community.

But thank you for your service. But put some skin in the game when it comes to this political stuff. Before you just run your mouth about stupidity. I've got that in a year and a half and I've gained a very sizable following, Bren. I think, you know, it's something I keep saying from a lot of people. A following means nothing. Are you making the impact is the difference. You do not make an impact.

You are my friends. You are the right. wing hanging off of a cliff. You are not making an impact. What you're doing is tickling people's ears. People are sick and tired of wokeness. Listen to what I'm saying. You can't even listen.

No. I'm listening to what you're saying. That's why I'm responding to what you're saying. Well, let me finish and then you can respond. I've been very patient and listening to you. Even as stupid as the stuff you're saying. I'll zip up. I'll zip up.

I'll get panties up and we can get a walk. See, I don't know why you talking like you gangster or something on here, bro. Quit talking like that. You grow upro, got your mustache, and you live in Chicago, you think you tough. Quit talking tough on this TV. That's a different.

What you say? That's a different type of Negro right there. You heard what I said. I said, I said, I'm from Detroit. I didn't hear what you said. Let's not waste time talking on here. Let's say, I'll let that tough talk for person, for in-person conversation. I'm all fine for that.

All right. Now let's get back to what we're talking about. All right. Okay, let's get back to what you zip up. Andre is so violent. The crux of what I'm expressing is that you need to put some skin in the game. Let always say to finish this point.

Then you can respond. It's called debate. I don't know how you don't get that, Andre. What's your problem, bro? You just shut your mouth for a second and let ground back. Just look at you, jump out. Look at you jump out at this.

Like, like, this is the reason why you will never be as successful as you probably could be because you're an idiot. Talking about chimp out and all this old lame stuff. That's for little kids. We've grown men in here. And you're talking about chimping out and all this old weird stuff. Quit being a weirdo, dude. You have, you have potential to do better, but all you want to do is try to go viral. You need to have a nuanced conversation about the things that are going on in the community.

Let me, let me stop you right here. I'll land this right. I'll be very short. The things I talk about, it comes from my family. I don't do this to do viral. I've been saying this, anyone who's ever served with me or work with me. You talk about the following you have. Listen, you brought up the following.

No one knows who you are. No, you brought it up. And you ain't got nowhere near the following I have. You guys brought it up first. I don't really care to have, I care about the message, Brandon. I don't do this for the following. Your message is not getting it. anywhere, dude. People follow

you and hear a couple things you say that they agree with. Listen, they listen to a few things. They listen to a few things you say. You should be quiet and listen. I'm trying to give you some free game. They listen to some of the things you say.

They listen to some of the things you say because they identify with some of the frustration. But then once you go off the reservation, you start acting stupid like a little kid, Then they unfollow you, just like I did. I can't follow you long enough to listen to you say the stupidest stuff you say. I attacked you on Israel and you say you'll threaten to sue me for defamation.

That's what you said in this week. No, I said I'm going to sue you for defamation. How much sue you for defamation of Israel? No, you did you say I got paid? Did you say I got paid? Well, then that's a difference. No, no, no, you said I got paid. Where's your proof I got paid?

He's getting the tips from the Jewish. Why do I get paid? No, no, come on, tell me on Pierce Morgan. I would love the loot users for evidence. Tell me on Pierce Morgan how I got paid. He would say this. Anybody who does an interview with BD. Net-Nanan.

How did I get paid? Where am I getting paid from? If anybody who does an interview with Bibi-Nat-Ni-Ni-A-hoo, I would think they're getting paid. You would think or do you know? How do I think, no. All right. All right. Let me, just shut your mouth for a minute.

Let me talk. I got to ship my mouth. It's very clear, Pierce, that young man can keep up so he got to keep interjecting. I didn't get, I ain't never got paid by a single Jew to say what I believe. We may keep up pretty good. Here you go. I never got paid by anybody to say what I believe. I just so happen to have a rock star on my team that had a connection with Benjamin and Yahoo.

That's how I got the interview. What is it you believe? I don't think you believe anything. I think you just regurgitate what's on Fox News and what white boomers want to hear. That's pretty much what you do on. I don't even watch Fox News. You point saying that. Let me bring Mark back in because he'd be very, Mark, you'd be very patient.

Yeah, we've made a point in the monologue about the free speech pendulum swinging from, you can't say that so you can say anything. Is this healthy for society? Is having somebody like Andre Williams on a panel like this debating with you guys? Is it constructive? Should we be giving platforms? Is he the black Nick Fuentes where there's a genuine debate about whether giving the meoxygen of a panel is a good idea.

I don't know, but I know he's got a following. He's getting a higher following, and it's been an interesting debate to listen to you guys, but is it right? Yeah, I think there's a philosophical question that we should ask about free speech, and at that level, of course, there should be room for everybody at the table.

Everybody should be able to speak and offer their perspective, whether I agree with it or not. Now, I think that when it comes to a perspective, a perspective should be informed, It shouldn't just be to push buttons. It shouldn't just be to get a reaction. But that's not for me to decide.

It's for the public to decide. It's for the people, capital P, to decide. I may think, let's say hypothetically, I thought Andre were uninformed, immature, irrational, uneducated, and dressed like Lionel Jefferson. That doesn't mean that I get to decide he doesn't get the public square. What it does mean is if I have a show, I may not want him on my show because I don't think that there's sufficient. added value. But that doesn't mean that someone with his worldview or point of view shouldn't be allowed in the room

or the conversation. It should be. But when he comes in the room, just like when I come in the room, just like when you and Brandon come in the room, the question should be, how did you arrive at this conclusion? Do you have any evidence? Do you have an article, a study? Do you have proof? Do you have research? Do you have something other than just a strong opinion

that is baseless? And if the answer is no, then I wouldn't let that person into my conversation, but that doesn't mean that that point of view shouldn't be allowed in the conversation. I think Brandon is a thousand percent wrong on Israel. I think brand is a thousand percent wrong on reparations. Again, you can find who is enslaved. Again, my great grandparents were enslaved. It's not that hard. But we can have that debate. But if he just comes out and says, all Negroes are lazy, that's not a conversation. That's just a cheap ploy for ratings if we don't do something more. And that's not a, yeah. It's not what I said. I said, hypothetical. I said, hypothetically,

I'm not talking about you, Andre. I'm not. talking about you. Andre, Andre, I'm not talking about you. I'm speaking. I said, I said philosophical, I said philosophically and I said abstract. Those words are words you may not understand, but they weren't everything, everything isn't about you. I'm talking. You know, the truth. The truth is, Andre, I would say this, is that Fuentes started out like this, just saying, you know, terrible things. I love Hitler, all that kind of crap. And I've noticed he's begun to moderate what he says and distance himself from some of the early stuff because he was young and dumb and all the rest of it. And I sort of sense the same with you. You say things deliberately to wind everybody up,

to provoke, to enrage and so on. But that has a limited currency. If you genuinely want to be a person of real influence in your community, you can't generalise in the way that you do about your community because it's ridiculous. It would be like me saying all white people are lazy and entitled. I hate white people. You know, white people, white women raise white men to be submissive and so on. You know, white people's only achievement has been good at sports. If I said any of the things about my community, no one would take me serious. No one would take me, no, here's my point, Andre. Nobody would take me seriously because they would realize I was massively overgeneralizing in a deliberately offensive way just to piss people off. And I can tell you, it has a limited

audience when you do that. Niggas, but not black people. The very expansive audience because there's a great frustration with black people, especially Americans in general, this is the entire point of black fatigue. It's a growing frustration with the lack of accountability, with the lack of just a passion to go for and actually do things, to actually correct the problems in our community. That's what the black fatigue thing is. And this is why I called out, because there are so many black people who live in these neighborhoods, who live in these communities, and it came back to help out and came back to represent and be amongst the people, unlike Mark and Brandon. This is something that I'm very passionate about. This is why I grow up.

out because unrelatable. Yeah, I'm going to call me to fuck up your name. All right. Final word. Final word to us a Tatum. Okay. All right. Okay.

Yeah, no, I think that, you know, we are in America. We can disagree all we want. I think it's great to have different opinions. I think people can go and watch Andrew and they can believe what they want to believe from. And then they have other people that they can watch like me and Mark. And then they can also watch you peers. We live in America.

We have the freedom of speech. I think every conversation should be had. And then if you don't like the conversation that's had, then have a better conversation. That's how I feel. And I'd say, Andre, I agree that the black community is struggling. But the difference is I take a more mature approach to it and I understand how to articulate facts

and actually get a connection with people. You don't have to live in the black community to support black people. And this is the reason why Andre will never, ever, unless he changes, be as successful, have as much following and have as much respect that I do. Andre would never go to a legitimate church and be able to speak at a church. He wouldn't because his mouth is foul and all he do is spew stupidity. If you want to be great, you need to be mindful at how you communicate the things that you say.

If you want to just be a Nick Fuentes, a fly-by-night, I'm only popular on social media. I'll never run a company. You'll never do anything outside of just running your mouth on social media. Unless you shut up and listen to people that have to be. been doing this and are educated, then maybe you will be great. But until then, you need to start watching what you say if you want to have an impact. Last year and a half, I think I've been pretty great. The fact that I do-man, you're on social media.

You go viral. You're not making an impact, bro. Nobody's listening to you. My assistant had no idea who you were. She looked you up and thought you were a former NFL player. And I said, no, it ain't him. You can't find a dude that we, that's going to feel this podcast. Okay.

You know, why have you followed the guy? Gentlemen, we've run out of time. I'm going to leave it there. She thought it was an NFL player. Nice, this lady. It's been a very interesting debate to listen to. I have to be honest. Thank you all for joining me.

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